June 26, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan discusses why the NBA Draft didn’t go completely to script on Wednesday night. Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio joins the show to discuss the latest in a hidden collusion case involving NFL owners, and what the next move might be for the NFL Players Association.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, Dan and the Dan Net's Dan Patrick Show.
You're feeling like a first round draft pick today or
maybe a second round draft pick coming up tonight eight
seven to seven to three. DP show Email address DP
at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We
analyze the draft, and we analyze it in our way,
(00:26):
not necessarily the way most people do or should. But
we were troubled by the hats that the players are wearing.
They don't fit. Also, if you get traded, and some
people pointing out Scott Van Pelt brought this up last
night on his Sports Center show, so shout out to SVP.
But we thought about maybe a sash or advisor or
(00:48):
maybe a chain that you could wear and then you
could exchange that if you had to, so it'd be
a little bit more of a smoother transition. I'm thinking
about marketing, you know, I'm all about marketing here. Its
product placement is what it is. But I'm watching and
this is the moment. Okay, granted you're eighteen years of
age and nineteen years of age, but still it's the
(01:10):
moment that you thought of dreamed of your chance.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You're getting drafted.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Next thing, you know, you're taking off your Orlando hat
and putting a Cleveland hat on. Not exactly how you
scripted it, Like, Hey, this is that dream moment that
I've always thought of where I get to exchange hats
with throw out somebody's name, Asa Newle, Derek Queen here,
(01:39):
and I know that you know the NBA is trying
to push product on us, but this is how about
we wait until after the first round and everybody can
put their hats on. Okay, maybe we get a group
photo picture day and everybody's got their hats on, so
we can do the marketing without the silly Put that
hat on right now, it doesn't matter, Just put it on, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
What if a business idea they make like a Swiss
army knife hat where you can kind of just spin
pieces around and get a different logo and colors will workshop.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Then Dylan's in for Seaton Minister of Humors. Here, Fritzy
Marv Pauli, yours truly. Stat of the day is always
brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
of the Dan Patrick Show. I didn't even answer the
question last hour because we were talking about mythological figures.
We're talking about Will Chamberlain with his numbers and Babe
Ruth with his numbers. Muhammad Ali Marvin brought up Michael Jordan,
(02:38):
you know, a mythological figure, but he did everything right
in front of us. Babe Ruth was word of mouth.
Bo Jackson. We were able to see him with the Royals,
also with the Raiders. Ali, you got to see the
big fights, not all of his fights, but yeah, I
get that. There was a even Mike Tyson when he
first started out, there was this oh my god, who
(03:01):
is this guy? And then all of a sudden you
saw him and then you realize, kid dynamite was here
to stay. That was the Sports Illustrated cover in nineteen
eighty six. But I mentioned that we get caught up
in Bo Jackson his NFL career and was he wonderful. Yes,
in a brief whatever window. That was just like baseball,
(03:22):
he tanneled. He teased us, It's like, oh my gosh,
this is different. That speed, that power, that arm in baseball,
that speed, that power in the NFL, and it was
just incomplete. And then you know, I said, you know,
Bo is a great running back. But I believe Jim Harball,
(03:44):
the quarterback, had more rushing yards than Bo Jackson. And
all of a sudden, I can see the Danets heads.
They're exploding. They're like, no, not Jim Harball. Yes, because
Jim Harball played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he has a few more yards than Bo
Jackson career wise.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, my computer was shut down when I try to
search this because I didn't believe this was an actual topic.
Bo Jackson had twenty seven hundred and eighty two rushing yards.
Jim Harbaugh had twenty seven hundred and eighty seven rushing yards, five.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
More bonus coverage.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Bo Jackson sixteen rushing touchdowns in his career, Jim Harbaugh eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Stand of the day, Stant of the day, start out
the day, scant of a day.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
This is the stule of.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
The day, drawn to you by BANDI America. And haven't
both of these great runners had hip surgery? Bo did,
and I think Jim Harbaugh just had hip surgery. You
know it happens to the great running runners of all time.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah, palling to be fair, I checked Bo Jackson's zero
career passing yards.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, yeah, unfortunately h better player Harball or bo jahnckson
that old topic. So I don't know if it went
as scripted last night because of Ace Bailey that there
were teams he didn't want to go to didn't want
to work out for which I have no problem with that.
I you know, the problem I'd have is if he said, Hey,
(05:15):
I'm going to go to Philadelphia work out, then all
of a sudden he doesn't work out. If he says
or his agent says, he doesn't want to go there,
doesn't want to go to Charlotte, he would like to
go to Washington or Brooklyn. Well, Danny Ainge was like,
I don't care. I'm taking the best player available. I'm
taking you. I don't think he wanted to go to Utah.
He didn't seem too thrilled. Who is the kid who's
(05:36):
going to Toronto? Because he was not thrilled at all.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Colin something Something, Colin Murray Boyles, Oh, I don't know.
When they said, you know and the Toronto Raptors select
and then he might have had a one word response there.
Marvin sure did he shook his head at first. I
(06:01):
don't know if it's I think he was upset. I
think his girlfriend was upset as well, by the way
he won the lottery last night. He was in the
lottery and yes he did, Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
She plays in South Carolina, right she does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't think she was happy either. At Toronto. Here
we come, get to Toronto. I love that city. I
loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yes, pot yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think
Toronto would get that type of reaction, like I don't
want to go to this beautiful international city.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, but travel wise, you know, customs and passports and
not flying coach, I know, but you know I have
global entry O.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
What is that clear thing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't you can just I can walk anywhere. Really
with global entry, it feels like I might be a copilot.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay, what are the rankings?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
TS?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Was it? Uh? TSA pre check? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
TSA pre check is level one?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Clear is level two? And what do you have? I
have a clear and global entry? Yeah, I'm not joking around.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
That's the highest of it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Global entry is. Yeah. Global entry is awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's just where you go up to one of those
screens and then they look at you and they do
the facial recognition.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's like, boom, you're through. Let's just sit in the
cockpit if you want.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeahster, I think there's a chance I could be a
copilot if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But yeah, do you guys have global entry? No, I
just had the TSA pre check. Okay, same, Yeah, I'm
a clear guy. Yeah. Clear is good too. Yeah, that's
the same thing. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You see the people with the checkered shirts and then
they're they fast track.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You to the front of the line.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yes, daley, Yeah, it's well, you just have to get
your fingerprint. Yes, I got through fine, so it's nice. Yeah,
you just cut the wine. You can use it actually
at like events too, like city Field, you can use
clear to cut the line to get in.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh that's a bonus. Okay, you have a global entry.
Two thumbs up. Now I had to.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It takes a little bit of work to get a
global entry, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, ton.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
They also have unclear, which is a super but they
look at you like kind of fuzzy, like maybe it's
gonna be a little while.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Let me talk to my manager.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Then the events will look at them.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, I'll give you a blue give you a
blue fifty bucks.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's worth it. Just another ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
We're waiting.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh yes, I have unclear.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, come on in, all right, So Dylan's in for
seat and he'll do the poll question.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
What's the hour two pole question? And let's clean up
hour one?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All right, Dan, So the results from our one still
cruising at fifty two percent, is Cooper Flag's NBA career
will meet expectations for hour two. Who is the most
mythical athlete ever? Babe Ruth Wilt, Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, bo
Jackson or other?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yes, I don't think Michael is mythological. Definitely not for
our generation because we saw him nightly. I would throw
Pete Marovich in there, one of your favorite players, because
his best work was done at LSU and there's very
little video, and guys of my age and I'm not young,
didn't see any of it. To me, that's mythological.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, I mean he's averaging forty four forty five a game.
I mean, we talked about Wilt averaging fifty in the NBA.
I would say for a generation that didn't see Michael Jordan,
I could understand the mythological feel. If you're in your twenties,
then you probably go, man, I got to see some
highlights here. But there's so much more available to see
(09:43):
Michael Jordan's career than a lot of these other players
like Wilt you know, some of the greats of the
Oscar Robertson. Most people saw Oscar when he played for
Milwaukee when he wasn't Oscar Robertson. He was just a
great point guard. But that was Kareem's team, and that
wasn't a great team. You want to talk about what
Lebron did with the Cabs and taking them to the
(10:06):
NBA Finals, Kareem with that Milwaukee team, that wasn't a
great team. I mean, if you look at that roster,
you know they I don't think there was anybody close
to being a Hall of Famer on there. Bobby Dandridge
was on there, but you know, John McLaughlin, I'd have
(10:28):
to look or reminiscent about that. Lucius Harris might have
been on that team too. Yes, Marvin Bobby Danger's Hall
of Famer, Okay, but yeah, that roster was on a
great roster and they didn't have a legendary coach. Larry
Costello was the coach for that team. But yeah, uh,
(10:50):
you know when you have Luel Sindor a coach, it helps.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, there's what time practices. Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's like they interview the Mont Verde coach last night
and he you would have thought he was John Wooden.
You know, he's talking about all these great players that
he's had. I mean, it's a prep school, and you
know they keep saying this could be the greatest high
school team of all time. Well, you're trying to get
the best players to go there. It's not like it's
a local high school team.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
They didn't play together in eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, no, no, So when we go greatest you know
O Kill used to do this back in the day. Man,
this could be the best high school team ever. It's
a training academy. I like to think the best high
school team of all time is players who are from
the area who went to the high school there, not
Mont Verde.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yes, yes, I'm not besmirching Mont Verdi's academics because it
might be a great school. But I've met the Cooper
flag was late to a class. He's not sitting in
detention for an hour like a normal public high.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
School yeah, yes, Dylan. Well, that's like IMG Academy in Florida.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
They're like they just beat up everyone by one hundred
points and like they I think they sold the school
for like a billion dollars because it's just like a
training factor.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, So when we talk about great high school teams
of all time, let's put it in perspective. Are you
from the area around the high school? That's where I
would start. I remember what was it Calvert Calvert Hall
in Baltimore. Uh, that was a they were a powerhouse.
I mean there's been great, great teams, Uh, Eastern High
(12:28):
and DC.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I mean there go down the Ourbon Day.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I remember that back back at damatho was great.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Morgan Wooten, Yeah, PAULI, But like mont Bird, they rot.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Verdy's not like a normal high school where the JV
is a bunch of guys like me, you know, the
JV squad. It is probably a second team all Americans.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We'll get to your phone calls coming up. EH seven
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the air.
Let's see Jim in Michigan. Hi, Jim, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Hey? Hey Dan?
Speaker 9 (13:06):
I would say, first, non Dan had to get gonged
last week, and I have two more questions about the gong,
and again I won't call back. This'll be my last two.
Who has a succession of the gong? If you're like
on vacation or you're out for the day, or I'm
the on vacation, nobody who? Okay? And the other one?
Can anybody else call for the gong other than yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, you can call for it. I mean I take
request here, Jim.
Speaker 9 (13:33):
Okay, now, okay. That's why I wanted to get the
rule book on the gong, and it says I was
the first non damn any.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just gong Jim again a two time gonger. Gonga gunga,
Gonga gunga. Yeah, Fritz, She's like, you know, you haven't
used the gong on me in a while, and I go,
give me reason, and I will.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
I crave positive and negative.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Is not a good thing. I told him.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I said, hey, there's been a lot of positivity and
then you go, I know, but you know, sometimes it's
okay if you recognize something I did wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I said, Okay, that's that whole thing is what you
just want to be talked about, isn't that said?
Speaker 9 (14:21):
You would like?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Why why?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Why would someone need that? How much attention do you need?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I've been trying to figure this out for over twenty years.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Go about your business.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
If people want to talk about it, great, but don't like,
look forward or encourage it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Alrighty uh do you have the pole? So we have
the pole question for hour two? Right, dylly? Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Who's the most mythical athlete of all time? I only
had four slots, so it's Babe Ruth, Wilt, Jordan or other.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Mm hmmmm, so Bo, Babe Wilt, Babe.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wilt, and Jordan unless we're ruling out Jordan from that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, you know, a different generation who didn't see him
on a nightly basis. Bo Jackson probably more so because
you know, he played in Kansas City, played for the Raiders,
but didn't play a long time for either Like he
could have been a Hall of Famer in either sport
if he had picked either sport, but the whole and
(15:19):
I always thought there was a little tension between him
and Dion because Bo may have looked at Dion as
you're doing this because of me. But Dion did it
at a very high level in baseball. And I don't
know how much longer he played than Bo, but you know,
the whole helicopter thing, and I don't know, it felt
like Bo did this. And then even when Bo was
(15:44):
running one time when Florida State played Auburn, and Dion
talks about, now, I was fast, but he wasn't Bo
Jackson fast. And he talked about when Bo put his
hand on his helmet almost as if you know he's
it's in church where they put their hands on your
head and then bless you and put him down on
(16:04):
the ground. When Dion tells that story, he's so animated.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Do you have that, Marvin? Okay, here's Dion.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
When I played for Florida State as a freshman. True story.
Bou was at Alburn back in the back to Brent Fullard,
probably the best hand of the running backs I've ever
seen in college. These guys are unbelievable, and you know,
you know you heard a bout Jack, so you're kind
of in awe as a young collegiate. I'm seventeen years
old playing Florida State eighteen at the time. Just during eighteen,
Bo goes behind the huddle in Auburn and throws his
(16:35):
hands up as if he was sick, designing the crowd
to get it up. They start cheering and appauding, and
I was playing left corner. BO got a sweep to
his left away from me and hit it. I mean
hit it, and he was gone. I came out of
nowhere because that was I could fly, came and got him,
ran up on him like it was no other. With
(16:58):
his right arm, he extended it, placed it on my
helmet like as if he was praying for me, palming
my helmet and stiff me down and kept going into
the end zone that I wasn't even there. That was
my Bojackson moment.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I could fly and he hit it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, Paul, you could find this clip on YouTube and
it's exactly like he said.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
All right, we'll take a break. Mike Florio, we'll talk
some football here. He'll join us on loan from Pro
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 2 (18:09):
Round two of the NBA Draft coming up later on tonight.
There was one moment last night where the Atlanta Hawks
and New Orleans Pelicans they exchanged first round draft picks.
In exchange, the Hawks will get the New Orleans Pelicans
unprotected first round pick next year.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't think New Orleans is going to be very good.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And you move up ten spots and I go, wait
a minute here, and you know those things that make
you go hm, And I kept going, Okay, what am
I missing here? Other than are the Pelicans being stupid careless?
We're moving up ten spots. They move up ten spots
to take Queen, right, So, okay, nice player, but you're
(18:57):
giving up an unprotected first round pick next year that,
by all accounts, is probably going to be a lottery pick.
At least a lottery pick. Maybe it's going to be
more than that. Ohkay, you imagine Lanta Hall And I
think the Hawks have done well here in the offseason.
I think they've done well. I don't know what they're
(19:18):
going to do with Trey Young, they have to extend him,
but I think they've got some young players. Porzingis, but
I think they did Okay, they'd okay, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
The Hawks as a franchise, it's just so nondescript.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well, I go back to when Well Maravich was there
and then got to see Dominice in person when I
was living in Atlanta, And yeah, they didn't draw a
crowd unless they were playing a really good basketball team.
If the Celtics came to town, or the Bulls came
to town, or the Knicks came to town.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
There'd be a big crowd there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
There's always a crowd around Mike Floria because he's really popular.
He is a football in I hope to graduate one
day to be a football insider. Do you guys have
like a newsletter? Like you stay in touch with Glazier
and Chefty and are their dues, you know, like tight
End University, the NFL insider you and Rapaport.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Well, I think the reality is if there was a
club of insiders, I'd be the outsider.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's true. Can the NFL Draft get any bigger?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
No? No, but it will. They just stumble into things.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It's amazing the NFL's business model just kind of float along,
and when something happens it looks like adversity, it turns
into a positive. The reason the draft became this traveling
road show with hundreds of thousands of people is because
they had a conflict in twenty fifteen at Radio City
Music Hall because there was an Easter spectacular that conflicted
with the preferred day of the draft. So the NFL said, well,
(20:55):
we got to go somewhere else. Let's go to Chicago. Hey,
that was pretty good. Let's go back to Chicago. So hey,
let's go somewhere else. Let's go to Philly. And that
was the moment that shot. I still remember it, the
shot of the thousands of people by the library there.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's like, oh Man, the draft is different now and
it's going to.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Keep growing and growing, but relative to everything else.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It can't get much bigger. It can't.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
And it's amazing because they could do it by a
group text if they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well, it's like Coachella.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's a music festival for the NFL, and it's Pittsburgh
next year. I don't know did they decide on the
following year d d Okay.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
National Mall, but they aren't Dan. There was some reporting
I think from Sports Business Journal. They're trying to find
more stuff they can drop. Tuesday, Wednesday, the fourth Draft,
Sunday extend it, have more reasons to have more people
show up beyond Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We got a couple of teams with some stadium deals.
It feels like, you know, Cleveland, I guess going to
be moving out of downtown. Washington wants to move back
into downtown. The Bears are they moving out? Like, what's
going on with these teams and stadiums.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well, you've got the Browns that look to be moving
to suburban Brook Park. They're putting the pieces in place
to make that happen. The Bengals have a deal to
State put at pay Course Stadium in Cincinnati, reportedly until
the middle of the next next decade with the.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Bears and also with Washington.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
You know, this was presented when the deal was done
with great fanfare. There's the commissioner, there's owner Josh Harris,
there's the mayor of d C.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We have a deal. We have a deal.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Well wait a minute, we don't have a deal because
the DC Council has to approve it. And I think
it's getting harder and harder Dan to get the kind
of public money that you need to build these stadiums,
because I'd say the appetite of the average taxpayer is
why why are you using public money when these franchises
(22:59):
are worth more more all the time ten billion minimum
after the Lakers recent sale that had evaluation of the
franchise at ten billion.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
So pay for it yourself.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
And I was making that point earlier this week because
Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania Governor, said some things that initially
were misinterpreted by the ap But ultimately the message is
we're not going to be given out a ton of
public money here at some point, pay for it yourself.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
You know, Dan, when you go to the grocery store.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The grocery store is there for the benefit of the public, right,
we all going to buy our groceries. I never hear
stories about the government giving the grocery store chains millions
and billions of dollars to build their stores.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And that's what a football stadium is. It's a big
store that they lure thousands.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Of people too. Why is it something that the public
has to pay for. The people putting on the show
are the ones that should be expected to pay for.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host that
show Precedes Hours with Chris Sims and his book's Father
of Mine, Son of Mine, available in ebook form on
Amazon for only ninety nine cents. The collusion story that
you and Pablo Torre colluded on to talk about the collusion,
(24:12):
how did okay, let's do it for the fan? Does
the fan? Should the fan care about this?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well, the fan doesn't care about it because I think
one of the problems is the fan just assumes that
that's how business is done. They assume the NFL is
one giant company and the teams are thirty two branches,
and they coordinate and collude all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The problem is that they are thirty two separate businesses.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They shouldn't be colluding, conspiring, coordinating on anything that doesn't
fall within one of.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Their anti trust exemptions.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
They've got a broadcast anti trust exemption, and they've got
an anti trust exemption to deal with their union generally,
not with the players individually.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
And I think the question is, and I just got
to text.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
A little bit ago that is going to spark another
story at PFT, how widespread is this collusive activity that.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
We finally have found evidence of. Even though the.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
NFL won the grievance they were caught with their hand
in the collusion cookie jar, how else are they doing it?
For example, are they doing it with coaches? I believe
they are. I've believed for years that they collude when
it comes to coaches to hold down what coaches made.
There's no salary cap, right, but there's also no salary floor.
They collude, I believe, on all sorts of things because
(25:28):
they operate as one company even though they're supposed to
be competing.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And the point I made, and I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Know if you've talked about the text messages between Dean
Spanos and Michael Bidwell Spanos congratulates Bidwell on getting Cardinal's
quarterback Kyler Murray signed to a contract that wasn't fully guaranteed,
and Spano says, this helps with our quarterback. You know
the point I've been making, Dan does the CEO of
PEPSI call up the CEO of Coke and say, congratulations
on getting your director of research signed to this contract
(25:56):
because now we can use the same term.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
So no, they're incompetition.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
But I think because the average fan just assumes there's
a certain amount of arm locking, they don't care.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
But they should care.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
They should care because it's an example of how business
gets done in ways that it shouldn't get done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Any fallout from this, like what's next, Well, it.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
All depends upon I believe what the players do now.
Will the players who are in charge of the union
push back against union management which hid this thing for
five and a half months, that's the biggest part of this.
Then the players union through that ruling on January fifteen.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
January fourteen, excuse me of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
They acquired a hammer that they could use against the
NFL in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
And what did they do?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
They stuck it in a drawer and locked it for
five and a half months until Pablo finally got it,
and I credited him forgetting it because I tried every
way I possibly could, and I'm going to take some
credit because I kept banging and banging and banging to
get people to understand this thing's out there and it's
important and somebody needs to get it, especially because they
were hiding it. I understand why the league hit it,
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because the league looks bad. I don't understand why the
Union hit it. And it all comes down to whether
or not the players who are in leadership positions at
the Union insist on more and whether they take this
thing now and finally do use it as a hammer
and find other ways to push and pressure the NFL to.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Get a better overall deal for the players.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I know that we've talked a lot, You've talked a lot.
Everybody's talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,
and I feel like we don't separate Rogers the football
player from Rogers the person and his opinions, and he
can be polarizing. I just want to know the football
part of this with Aaron Rodgers. I know with his age,
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but with that team. I know he says that this
is it a one year deal, but what are your
expectations for this team?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Well, first of all, when he said the other day
he's pretty sure this is it, I mean, is that
really anything that we.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Didn't already believe? Yeah, we're all pretty sure this is it.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
He's in his early forties, he's had injuries, he's been
banged up.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
His mobility isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
But what I think, Dan, when you look at Rogers,
the quarterback, the thrower, the arm is still there. And
if he can resist his temptation to try to run
like he used to, because I think that's how he's
going to get himself hurt.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
He's got to adopt the.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Tom Brady late career mindset of the moment, I feel
the walls closing in, I'm getting rid of the ball now.
For Rogers, who regards his touchdown to interception ratio as
the thing that makes him the best of all time,
he might not be as inclined as Brady was to
just throw the ball up into the air.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
And we saw Brady do it over and over again.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
He did it multiple times in the NFC Championship game
that the Buccaneers eventually won over Rogers, and the Packers
went in doubt, get rid of it if it gets
picked off, So what, at least I didn't get blown up.
That's the key Rogers has to prioritize not getting hit.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
He's got to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
He's got to get the ball down the field and
he can't try to run with it.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He's got to play like he did. Remember the year
that he had the.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Calf injury and he stayed in the middle of the pocket.
He's got to play like he's got that calf injury,
because if he starts getting hit, he will have a
calf injury and a knee injury, and a hip injury,
and rib injuries and a shoulder injury. Because these guys
literally are half his age that are chasing him around.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now, who came up with the you know he's the
best thrower of the football of all time? Okay, well,
but because if somebody said somebody is, he's the most
athletic basketball player I've ever seen, or he throws the
ball harder than any pitcher ever. My first my follow
(29:51):
up question or first question would be, well, was he successful?
So you have the best greatest thrower of the football.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Well, what it means is and I read the I
O'Connor biography last year. You know when you walk out
onto a field and you're standing there and you hear
a sound and you don't know what the hell the
sound is, and you realize it's the sound that the
ball makes when Aaron Rodgers throws it that few others
can make. That's what makes him the great thrower. And
(30:23):
I defer to Chris Simms on this stuff. He's lived
in and around it his whole life. He was an
NFL quarterback, his dad was an NFL quarterback. And when
he raised about Roger was being the greatest he's ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
And the problem is, Yeah, you went to one super Bowl,
and there's a hell.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Of a story to be told one of these days
on why the Packers failed to ever go back to
another Super Bowl. They had it against the Seahawks in
the twenty fourteen NFC Championship and through you know, an
unprecedented This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong,
This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong.
They would have gone back and would have played the
Patriots that year. But how can Rogers have only been
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to one super Bowl in his entire career when you
consider just how effortless, and it's like it's a lot
of Patrick Mahomes, it's some John Elway. Just an arm
that is rare and special, and I think that's what
set him apart. But one super Bowl appearance and a
couple of bad years with the Jets, and I think
he's just looking for something to end his career that
(31:26):
will make people forget about his time in New York.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, he's not the best quarterback of all time, but
it feels like we want to have a designation because
of you know, what he accomplished, But to me, it
leads to the follow up of what he didn't accomplished.
The greatest thrower of the football, and then you look
at the losses.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You know, regular.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Season stats are incredible, what four MVPs, all of those things.
I just it's weird how it's supposed to be a
compliment but it kind of brings about a yeah, but
it feels like he underachieved.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Well, that's right, and that's why I think he gets
sensitive about it and he only wants to say so
much about it. Let's talk about my touchdown to interception
ratio and nothing else, right, and nothing else because let's
not talk about championships.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Let's not talk about Super Bowl appearances.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
And when you think about the embarrassment of riches the
Packers have had at quarterback since Brett Farv replaced Don
Mkowski during a nineteen ninety two regular season game. They
go from Farv to Rodgers and now Jordan Love. We
don't know which way it's really going to skew for him,
but all those years of Farv and Rogers and to
have only two super Bowl wins to show for it,
(32:38):
when the Patriots got six with Tom Brady, Yeah you
got two, and there's plenty of teams that would love
to have won. But man, what a disappointment to have
two of the all time greats and only have two
additional championships.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Speaking of Pittsburgh, I don't know if this could be
a package deal of Aaron Rodgers one year and Mike
Tomlin because now they're back into the we're going to
need a quarterback that once, you know, Rogers leaves, and
if they don't, let's say they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Let's say they go out in the first round.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I get some point we can credit Mike Tomlin for
being a Hall of Fame coach. But just like we've
done with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, like after a while,
and John Harball's got the league MVP, you know, as
his quarterback. So I just wonder Mike Tomlin might be
getting to that sweet spot of I can go into
(33:32):
TV right now and make a whole lot more money
and have a lot less headaches, and I'm going into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Hey, Dan, I've lived in around Pittsburgh my whole life,
and the way the Steelers are behaving this offseason is
unlike anything they've ever done. The contract they gave the
Dk Metcalf market value for a guy who's never played
for the team before.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
They have never done that.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
They only get market value to their own players that
they have, that they know, that they trust, and they
believe in their taking a roll of the dice with Metcalf,
and then they assume the position for two plus months
with Aaron Rodgers. And I look, I fully believe that
Mike Tomlin knew he was getting Aaron Rodgers. They decided
it was less of a distraction if he's not on
the team and not at offseason workouts, then if he's
(34:15):
on the team and not at offseason workouts. But still,
it feels like a level of desperation to end what
will be a nine year streak.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Of no playoff wins.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
That's the longest the Steelers have gone between postseason wins
since they finally got their first win December twenty three,
nineteen seventy two, in the Immaculate Reception Game. So I
feel like there's a desperation there. And if they fail
to win a playoff game this year, what happens next.
I don't think they'll ever fire Tomlin. Maybe Tomlin will
decide it's time to move on. Maybe the Steelers will decide,
(34:45):
you know what, if there's somebody else out there that
wants to give us multiple first round picks, the John
Gruden package for Mike.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Tomlin, maybe we'll take it.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I'm not saying they will, but the level of desperation
I've seen this year tells me if they fail again,
we need to be ready for any thing in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
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and Pablo, thanks for joining us, Mike, thank you, anthe
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
Larry in Virginia, Hi Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Dan?
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Love the show?
Speaker 11 (35:56):
Six one two oh five. Got a recommend Got a
recommendation for the UH for the Draft. I think it
will be really cool if each team you know, selected
a maybe a kid fan that they uh they have
some content for whatever. Anyway, they give the kid a hat,
a jersey, but then they also bring out a legend
(36:17):
from each team which with the logo ball and then
when the player comes up, the legend really hands the
ball over the kids there with the jersey and the hat,
and then hey, if you got get just traded later on,
you can just pass the ball off to the next guy.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So yeah, but you miss your photo up. You missed
that moment. That's the only thing that I would rail against.
And and Van Pelt talked about this on Sports Center
last night. This is this is your moment. You just
got drafted and you know you're wearing uh, you know,
OKC hat and then next thing you know, you're being
traded to Atlanta. It's not like they go, hey, hold on, commissioner,
(36:53):
can we bring up, you know, Jimmy Lepper to get
in this moment again, Yes, Mark Devil's Advocate. But is
it really important about it's only important for you to
shake the commissioner's hand. You didn't dream about, Oh man,
I hope I get picked by the Hawks of the Pelicans. No,
but you're up there, and it's the whole moment. It's
the full package. It's they put a hat on you.
(37:14):
You go out there and you act like you know
the commissioner is a loved one you haven't seen in
sixteen years. You know, it's just kind of weird, like, Hey,
I'm I'm a member of the Hawks, and then thirty
minutes later, Hey I'm not. But your draft day picture
is you with the commissioner with a Hawks hat on? Yes,
but you learned the business. Hey one, Okay, teaching moment.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Martin Marcus in South Carolina. Hi Marcus, Hey Dan, good morning.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
How you doing great? Great? What do you have for me?
Speaker 12 (37:49):
I have an idea for the NBA Draft. Let's get
rid of the hat and let's move to make given
a team logo like dominant crushed boats slash predate for
the suits.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Okay, all right, I mean we're trying to move product.
Here is what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm just trying to take away that awkward moment of
A the hat looks stupid, and b if you happen
to get traded, you're wearing this hat.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
And you're going to another two. It was just weird.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I can I'm there with Pippin and Polonies and I
just remember when they announced they had been traded for
each other and they just swamped hats. They were like
three rows between them, and then you know, we were
there interviewing I was interviewing olden polonies. But I just
remember Pippin was like three rows back and then they
(38:41):
just go, oh, you've been traded, And so your line
of questioning changed considerably when you're talking about olden polonies
and what do you know about Chicago? Next thing, you know,
what do you know about Seattle? Kevin in Ohio? Hi, Kevin,
went's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Say good afternoon, DP.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Me.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (39:03):
My question to you, sir, besides Cooper Flagg, who do
you think has the best chance to succeed?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You know, I I would probably just be guessing because
somebody at eighteen going to be a whole lot different
than somebody at twenty three. Dylan Harper has the pedigree
with his father that can help you understand the business
part of this. I like his size. You know, hopefully
(39:35):
he becomes a better shooter. But you're going to a
team that's a young team. You could be building something.
But you're also going to a team where their point
guard was the Rookie of the Year and Stefan Council
and you have dearon Fox. Feels like something's going to
be done there with san Antonio.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Yeah, Pull, there's just no way to know it's I'm
looking at the twenty twenty draft. If I told you
the number one pick, James Wiseman would be out of
the sport in five years and the twelfth pick, Tyrese
Haliburton would be on his way to being a superstar,
if not a superstar.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And as I brought this up that the rookie last
year who played the most minutes was bub Carrington. He
played for the Wizards. He was drafted fourteenth. Played the
most minutes of any rookie last year. Jalen Wells drafted
thirty ninth, second most minutes. He played for the Grizzlies.
Stefan Castle was Rookie of the Year. He's drafted fourth.
(40:28):
Eves Missy with the Pelicans drafted twenty first. So that's
why you don't know how much are you playing because
you have to play because you're on a bad team,
and some of these other players where they're going to
be eased in.
Speaker 11 (40:44):
Reed.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Shepherd didn't play. He's the third pick and if you
saw him in the summer league, you're going he's going
to be a star.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
He didn't play.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's why when you're trying to handicap this Toomani kahmer Hi.
Uh yeah, exactly. You don't know who he is. He
played for the Blazers the previous season. He played the
most minutes of any rookie. He was drafted fifty second.
Sometimes when you go to a bad team, you get
an opportunity to play right away. Coming up, good idea,
(41:21):
bad idea. Commissioner Silver talks about the epidemic the Achilles
tear more of your phone calls as well. Dylan's in
for Seaton today. Fritzy's always here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly
in the back room, guys,
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, Dan and the Dan Net's Dan Patrick Show.
You're feeling like a first round draft pick today or
maybe a second round draft pick coming up tonight eight
seven to seven to three. DP show Email address DP
at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We
analyze the draft, and we analyze it in our way,
(00:26):
not necessarily the way most people do or should. But
we were troubled by the hats that the players are wearing.
They don't fit. Also, if you get traded, and some
people pointing out Scott Van Pelt brought this up last
night on his Sports Center show, so shout out to SVP.
But we thought about maybe a sash or advisor or
(00:48):
maybe a chain that you could wear and then you
could exchange that if you had to, so it'd be
a little bit more of a smoother transition. I'm thinking
about marketing, you know, I'm all about marketing here. Its
product placement is what it is. But I'm watching and
this is the moment. Okay, granted you're eighteen years of
age and nineteen years of age, but still it's the
(01:10):
moment that you thought of dreamed of your chance.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You're getting drafted.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Next thing, you know, you're taking off your Orlando hat
and putting a Cleveland hat on. Not exactly how you
scripted it, Like, Hey, this is that dream moment that
I've always thought of where I get to exchange hats
with throw out somebody's name, Asa Newle, Derek Queen here,
(01:39):
and I know that you know the NBA is trying
to push product on us, but this is how about
we wait until after the first round and everybody can
put their hats on. Okay, maybe we get a group
photo picture day and everybody's got their hats on, so
we can do the marketing without the silly Put that
hat on right now, it doesn't matter, Just put it on, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
What if a business idea they make like a Swiss
army knife hat where you can kind of just spin
pieces around and get a different logo and colors will workshop.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Then Dylan's in for Seaton Minister of Humors. Here, Fritzy
Marv Pauli, yours truly. Stat of the day is always
brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
of the Dan Patrick Show. I didn't even answer the
question last hour because we were talking about mythological figures.
We're talking about Will Chamberlain with his numbers and Babe
Ruth with his numbers. Muhammad Ali Marvin brought up Michael Jordan,
(02:38):
you know, a mythological figure, but he did everything right
in front of us. Babe Ruth was word of mouth.
Bo Jackson. We were able to see him with the Royals,
also with the Raiders. Ali, you got to see the
big fights, not all of his fights, but yeah, I
get that. There was a even Mike Tyson when he
first started out, there was this oh my god, who
(03:01):
is this guy? And then all of a sudden you
saw him and then you realize, kid dynamite was here
to stay. That was the Sports Illustrated cover in nineteen
eighty six. But I mentioned that we get caught up
in Bo Jackson his NFL career and was he wonderful. Yes,
in a brief whatever window. That was just like baseball,
(03:22):
he tanneled. He teased us, It's like, oh my gosh,
this is different. That speed, that power, that arm in baseball,
that speed, that power in the NFL, and it was
just incomplete. And then you know, I said, you know,
Bo is a great running back. But I believe Jim Harball,
(03:44):
the quarterback, had more rushing yards than Bo Jackson. And
all of a sudden, I can see the Danets heads.
They're exploding. They're like, no, not Jim Harball. Yes, because
Jim Harball played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he has a few more yards than Bo
Jackson career wise.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, my computer was shut down when I try to
search this because I didn't believe this was an actual topic.
Bo Jackson had twenty seven hundred and eighty two rushing yards.
Jim Harbaugh had twenty seven hundred and eighty seven rushing yards, five.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
More bonus coverage.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Bo Jackson sixteen rushing touchdowns in his career, Jim Harbaugh eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Stand of the day, Stant of the day, start out
the day, scant of a day.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
This is the stule of.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
The day, drawn to you by BANDI America. And haven't
both of these great runners had hip surgery? Bo did,
and I think Jim Harbaugh just had hip surgery. You
know it happens to the great running runners of all time.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah, palling to be fair, I checked Bo Jackson's zero
career passing yards.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, yeah, unfortunately h better player Harball or bo jahnckson
that old topic. So I don't know if it went
as scripted last night because of Ace Bailey that there
were teams he didn't want to go to didn't want
to work out for which I have no problem with that.
I you know, the problem I'd have is if he said, Hey,
(05:15):
I'm going to go to Philadelphia work out, then all
of a sudden he doesn't work out. If he says
or his agent says, he doesn't want to go there,
doesn't want to go to Charlotte, he would like to
go to Washington or Brooklyn. Well, Danny Ainge was like,
I don't care. I'm taking the best player available. I'm
taking you. I don't think he wanted to go to Utah.
He didn't seem too thrilled. Who is the kid who's
(05:36):
going to Toronto? Because he was not thrilled at all.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Colin something Something, Colin Murray Boyles, Oh, I don't know.
When they said, you know and the Toronto Raptors select
and then he might have had a one word response there.
Marvin sure did he shook his head at first. I
(06:01):
don't know if it's I think he was upset. I
think his girlfriend was upset as well, by the way
he won the lottery last night. He was in the
lottery and yes he did, Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
She plays in South Carolina, right she does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't think she was happy either. At Toronto. Here
we come, get to Toronto. I love that city. I
loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yes, pot yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think
Toronto would get that type of reaction, like I don't
want to go to this beautiful international city.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, but travel wise, you know, customs and passports and
not flying coach, I know, but you know I have
global entry O.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
What is that clear thing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't you can just I can walk anywhere. Really
with global entry, it feels like I might be a copilot.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay, what are the rankings?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
TS?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Was it? Uh? TSA pre check? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
TSA pre check is level one?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Clear is level two? And what do you have? I
have a clear and global entry? Yeah, I'm not joking around.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
That's the highest of it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Global entry is. Yeah. Global entry is awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's just where you go up to one of those
screens and then they look at you and they do
the facial recognition.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's like, boom, you're through. Let's just sit in the
cockpit if you want.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeahster, I think there's a chance I could be a
copilot if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But yeah, do you guys have global entry? No, I
just had the TSA pre check. Okay, same, Yeah, I'm
a clear guy. Yeah. Clear is good too. Yeah, that's
the same thing. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You see the people with the checkered shirts and then
they're they fast track.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You to the front of the line.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yes, daley, Yeah, it's well, you just have to get
your fingerprint. Yes, I got through fine, so it's nice. Yeah,
you just cut the wine. You can use it actually
at like events too, like city Field, you can use
clear to cut the line to get in.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh that's a bonus. Okay, you have a global entry.
Two thumbs up. Now I had to.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It takes a little bit of work to get a
global entry, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, ton.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
They also have unclear, which is a super but they
look at you like kind of fuzzy, like maybe it's
gonna be a little while.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Let me talk to my manager.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Then the events will look at them.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, I'll give you a blue give you a
blue fifty bucks.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's worth it. Just another ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
We're waiting.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh yes, I have unclear.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, come on in, all right, So Dylan's in for
seat and he'll do the poll question.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
What's the hour two pole question? And let's clean up
hour one?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All right, Dan, So the results from our one still
cruising at fifty two percent, is Cooper Flag's NBA career
will meet expectations for hour two. Who is the most
mythical athlete ever? Babe Ruth Wilt, Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, bo
Jackson or other?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yes, I don't think Michael is mythological. Definitely not for
our generation because we saw him nightly. I would throw
Pete Marovich in there, one of your favorite players, because
his best work was done at LSU and there's very
little video, and guys of my age and I'm not young,
didn't see any of it. To me, that's mythological.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, I mean he's averaging forty four forty five a game.
I mean, we talked about Wilt averaging fifty in the NBA.
I would say for a generation that didn't see Michael Jordan,
I could understand the mythological feel. If you're in your twenties,
then you probably go, man, I got to see some
highlights here. But there's so much more available to see
(09:43):
Michael Jordan's career than a lot of these other players
like Wilt you know, some of the greats of the
Oscar Robertson. Most people saw Oscar when he played for
Milwaukee when he wasn't Oscar Robertson. He was just a
great point guard. But that was Kareem's team, and that
wasn't a great team. You want to talk about what
Lebron did with the Cabs and taking them to the
(10:06):
NBA Finals, Kareem with that Milwaukee team, that wasn't a
great team. I mean, if you look at that roster,
you know they I don't think there was anybody close
to being a Hall of Famer on there. Bobby Dandridge
was on there, but you know, John McLaughlin, I'd have
(10:28):
to look or reminiscent about that. Lucius Harris might have
been on that team too. Yes, Marvin Bobby Danger's Hall
of Famer, Okay, but yeah, that roster was on a
great roster and they didn't have a legendary coach. Larry
Costello was the coach for that team. But yeah, uh,
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you know when you have Luel Sindor a coach, it helps.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, there's what time practices. Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's like they interview the Mont Verde coach last night
and he you would have thought he was John Wooden.
You know, he's talking about all these great players that
he's had. I mean, it's a prep school, and you
know they keep saying this could be the greatest high
school team of all time. Well, you're trying to get
the best players to go there. It's not like it's
a local high school team.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
They didn't play together in eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, no, no, So when we go greatest you know
O Kill used to do this back in the day. Man,
this could be the best high school team ever. It's
a training academy. I like to think the best high
school team of all time is players who are from
the area who went to the high school there, not
Mont Verde.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yes, yes, I'm not besmirching Mont Verdi's academics because it
might be a great school. But I've met the Cooper
flag was late to a class. He's not sitting in
detention for an hour like a normal public high.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
School yeah, yes, Dylan. Well, that's like IMG Academy in Florida.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
They're like they just beat up everyone by one hundred
points and like they I think they sold the school
for like a billion dollars because it's just like a
training factor.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, So when we talk about great high school teams
of all time, let's put it in perspective. Are you
from the area around the high school? That's where I
would start. I remember what was it Calvert Calvert Hall
in Baltimore. Uh, that was a they were a powerhouse.
I mean there's been great, great teams, Uh, Eastern High
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and DC.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I mean there go down the Ourbon Day.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I remember that back back at damatho was great.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Morgan Wooten, Yeah, PAULI, But like mont Bird, they rot.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Verdy's not like a normal high school where the JV
is a bunch of guys like me, you know, the
JV squad. It is probably a second team all Americans.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We'll get to your phone calls coming up. EH seven
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the air.
Let's see Jim in Michigan. Hi, Jim, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Hey? Hey Dan?
Speaker 9 (13:06):
I would say, first, non Dan had to get gonged
last week, and I have two more questions about the gong,
and again I won't call back. This'll be my last two.
Who has a succession of the gong? If you're like
on vacation or you're out for the day, or I'm
the on vacation, nobody who? Okay? And the other one?
Can anybody else call for the gong other than yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, you can call for it. I mean I take
request here, Jim.
Speaker 9 (13:33):
Okay, now, okay. That's why I wanted to get the
rule book on the gong, and it says I was
the first non damn any.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just gong Jim again a two time gonger. Gonga gunga,
Gonga gunga. Yeah, Fritz, She's like, you know, you haven't
used the gong on me in a while, and I go,
give me reason, and I will.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
I crave positive and negative.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Is not a good thing. I told him.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I said, hey, there's been a lot of positivity and
then you go, I know, but you know, sometimes it's
okay if you recognize something I did wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I said, Okay, that's that whole thing is what you
just want to be talked about, isn't that said?
Speaker 9 (14:21):
You would like?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Why why?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Why would someone need that? How much attention do you need?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I've been trying to figure this out for over twenty years.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Go about your business.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
If people want to talk about it, great, but don't like,
look forward or encourage it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Alrighty uh do you have the pole? So we have
the pole question for hour two? Right, dylly? Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Who's the most mythical athlete of all time? I only
had four slots, so it's Babe Ruth, Wilt, Jordan or other.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Mm hmmmm, so Bo, Babe Wilt, Babe.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wilt, and Jordan unless we're ruling out Jordan from that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, you know, a different generation who didn't see him
on a nightly basis. Bo Jackson probably more so because
you know, he played in Kansas City, played for the Raiders,
but didn't play a long time for either Like he
could have been a Hall of Famer in either sport
if he had picked either sport, but the whole and
(15:19):
I always thought there was a little tension between him
and Dion because Bo may have looked at Dion as
you're doing this because of me. But Dion did it
at a very high level in baseball. And I don't
know how much longer he played than Bo, but you know,
the whole helicopter thing, and I don't know, it felt
like Bo did this. And then even when Bo was
(15:44):
running one time when Florida State played Auburn, and Dion
talks about, now, I was fast, but he wasn't Bo
Jackson fast. And he talked about when Bo put his
hand on his helmet almost as if you know he's
it's in church where they put their hands on your
head and then bless you and put him down on
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the ground. When Dion tells that story, he's so animated.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Do you have that, Marvin? Okay, here's Dion.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
When I played for Florida State as a freshman. True story.
Bou was at Alburn back in the back to Brent Fullard,
probably the best hand of the running backs I've ever
seen in college. These guys are unbelievable, and you know,
you know you heard a bout Jack, so you're kind
of in awe as a young collegiate. I'm seventeen years
old playing Florida State eighteen at the time. Just during eighteen,
Bo goes behind the huddle in Auburn and throws his
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hands up as if he was sick, designing the crowd
to get it up. They start cheering and appauding, and
I was playing left corner. BO got a sweep to
his left away from me and hit it. I mean
hit it, and he was gone. I came out of
nowhere because that was I could fly, came and got him,
ran up on him like it was no other. With
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his right arm, he extended it, placed it on my
helmet like as if he was praying for me, palming
my helmet and stiff me down and kept going into
the end zone that I wasn't even there. That was
my Bojackson moment.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I could fly and he hit it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, Paul, you could find this clip on YouTube and
it's exactly like he said.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
All right, we'll take a break. Mike Florio, we'll talk
some football here. He'll join us on loan from Pro
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 2 (18:09):
Round two of the NBA Draft coming up later on tonight.
There was one moment last night where the Atlanta Hawks
and New Orleans Pelicans they exchanged first round draft picks.
In exchange, the Hawks will get the New Orleans Pelicans
unprotected first round pick next year.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't think New Orleans is going to be very good.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And you move up ten spots and I go, wait
a minute here, and you know those things that make
you go hm, And I kept going, Okay, what am
I missing here? Other than are the Pelicans being stupid careless?
We're moving up ten spots. They move up ten spots
to take Queen, right, So, okay, nice player, but you're
(18:57):
giving up an unprotected first round pick next year that,
by all accounts, is probably going to be a lottery pick.
At least a lottery pick. Maybe it's going to be
more than that. Ohkay, you imagine Lanta Hall And I
think the Hawks have done well here in the offseason.
I think they've done well. I don't know what they're
(19:18):
going to do with Trey Young, they have to extend him,
but I think they've got some young players. Porzingis, but
I think they did Okay, they'd okay, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
The Hawks as a franchise, it's just so nondescript.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well, I go back to when Well Maravich was there
and then got to see Dominice in person when I
was living in Atlanta, And yeah, they didn't draw a
crowd unless they were playing a really good basketball team.
If the Celtics came to town, or the Bulls came
to town, or the Knicks came to town.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
There'd be a big crowd there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
There's always a crowd around Mike Floria because he's really popular.
He is a football in I hope to graduate one
day to be a football insider. Do you guys have
like a newsletter? Like you stay in touch with Glazier
and Chefty and are their dues, you know, like tight
End University, the NFL insider you and Rapaport.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Well, I think the reality is if there was a
club of insiders, I'd be the outsider.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's true. Can the NFL Draft get any bigger?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
No? No, but it will. They just stumble into things.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It's amazing the NFL's business model just kind of float along,
and when something happens it looks like adversity, it turns
into a positive. The reason the draft became this traveling
road show with hundreds of thousands of people is because
they had a conflict in twenty fifteen at Radio City
Music Hall because there was an Easter spectacular that conflicted
with the preferred day of the draft. So the NFL said, well,
(20:55):
we got to go somewhere else. Let's go to Chicago. Hey,
that was pretty good. Let's go back to Chicago. So hey,
let's go somewhere else. Let's go to Philly. And that
was the moment that shot. I still remember it, the
shot of the thousands of people by the library there.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's like, oh Man, the draft is different now and
it's going to.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Keep growing and growing, but relative to everything else.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It can't get much bigger. It can't.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
And it's amazing because they could do it by a
group text if they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well, it's like Coachella.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's a music festival for the NFL, and it's Pittsburgh
next year. I don't know did they decide on the
following year d d Okay.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
National Mall, but they aren't Dan. There was some reporting
I think from Sports Business Journal. They're trying to find
more stuff they can drop. Tuesday, Wednesday, the fourth Draft,
Sunday extend it, have more reasons to have more people
show up beyond Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We got a couple of teams with some stadium deals.
It feels like, you know, Cleveland, I guess going to
be moving out of downtown. Washington wants to move back
into downtown. The Bears are they moving out? Like, what's
going on with these teams and stadiums.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well, you've got the Browns that look to be moving
to suburban Brook Park. They're putting the pieces in place
to make that happen. The Bengals have a deal to
State put at pay Course Stadium in Cincinnati, reportedly until
the middle of the next next decade with the.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Bears and also with Washington.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
You know, this was presented when the deal was done
with great fanfare. There's the commissioner, there's owner Josh Harris,
there's the mayor of d C.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We have a deal. We have a deal.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Well wait a minute, we don't have a deal because
the DC Council has to approve it. And I think
it's getting harder and harder Dan to get the kind
of public money that you need to build these stadiums,
because I'd say the appetite of the average taxpayer is
why why are you using public money when these franchises
(22:59):
are worth more more all the time ten billion minimum
after the Lakers recent sale that had evaluation of the
franchise at ten billion.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
So pay for it yourself.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
And I was making that point earlier this week because
Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania Governor, said some things that initially
were misinterpreted by the ap But ultimately the message is
we're not going to be given out a ton of
public money here at some point, pay for it yourself.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
You know, Dan, when you go to the grocery store.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The grocery store is there for the benefit of the public, right,
we all going to buy our groceries. I never hear
stories about the government giving the grocery store chains millions
and billions of dollars to build their stores.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And that's what a football stadium is. It's a big
store that they lure thousands.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Of people too. Why is it something that the public
has to pay for. The people putting on the show
are the ones that should be expected to pay for.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host that
show Precedes Hours with Chris Sims and his book's Father
of Mine, Son of Mine, available in ebook form on
Amazon for only ninety nine cents. The collusion story that
you and Pablo Torre colluded on to talk about the collusion,
(24:12):
how did okay, let's do it for the fan? Does
the fan? Should the fan care about this?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well, the fan doesn't care about it because I think
one of the problems is the fan just assumes that
that's how business is done. They assume the NFL is
one giant company and the teams are thirty two branches,
and they coordinate and collude all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The problem is that they are thirty two separate businesses.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They shouldn't be colluding, conspiring, coordinating on anything that doesn't
fall within one of.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Their anti trust exemptions.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
They've got a broadcast anti trust exemption, and they've got
an anti trust exemption to deal with their union generally,
not with the players individually.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
And I think the question is, and I just got
to text.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
A little bit ago that is going to spark another
story at PFT, how widespread is this collusive activity that.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
We finally have found evidence of. Even though the.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
NFL won the grievance they were caught with their hand
in the collusion cookie jar, how else are they doing it?
For example, are they doing it with coaches? I believe
they are. I've believed for years that they collude when
it comes to coaches to hold down what coaches made.
There's no salary cap, right, but there's also no salary floor.
They collude, I believe, on all sorts of things because
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they operate as one company even though they're supposed to
be competing.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And the point I made, and I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Know if you've talked about the text messages between Dean
Spanos and Michael Bidwell Spanos congratulates Bidwell on getting Cardinal's
quarterback Kyler Murray signed to a contract that wasn't fully guaranteed,
and Spano says, this helps with our quarterback. You know
the point I've been making, Dan does the CEO of
PEPSI call up the CEO of Coke and say, congratulations
on getting your director of research signed to this contract
(25:56):
because now we can use the same term.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
So no, they're incompetition.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
But I think because the average fan just assumes there's
a certain amount of arm locking, they don't care.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
But they should care.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
They should care because it's an example of how business
gets done in ways that it shouldn't get done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Any fallout from this, like what's next, Well, it.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
All depends upon I believe what the players do now.
Will the players who are in charge of the union
push back against union management which hid this thing for
five and a half months, that's the biggest part of this.
Then the players union through that ruling on January fifteen.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
January fourteen, excuse me of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
They acquired a hammer that they could use against the
NFL in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
And what did they do?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
They stuck it in a drawer and locked it for
five and a half months until Pablo finally got it,
and I credited him forgetting it because I tried every
way I possibly could, and I'm going to take some
credit because I kept banging and banging and banging to
get people to understand this thing's out there and it's
important and somebody needs to get it, especially because they
were hiding it. I understand why the league hit it,
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because the league looks bad. I don't understand why the
Union hit it. And it all comes down to whether
or not the players who are in leadership positions at
the Union insist on more and whether they take this
thing now and finally do use it as a hammer
and find other ways to push and pressure the NFL to.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Get a better overall deal for the players.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I know that we've talked a lot, You've talked a lot.
Everybody's talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,
and I feel like we don't separate Rogers the football
player from Rogers the person and his opinions, and he
can be polarizing. I just want to know the football
part of this with Aaron Rodgers. I know with his age,
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but with that team. I know he says that this
is it a one year deal, but what are your
expectations for this team?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Well, first of all, when he said the other day
he's pretty sure this is it, I mean, is that
really anything that we.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Didn't already believe? Yeah, we're all pretty sure this is it.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
He's in his early forties, he's had injuries, he's been
banged up.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
His mobility isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
But what I think, Dan, when you look at Rogers,
the quarterback, the thrower, the arm is still there. And
if he can resist his temptation to try to run
like he used to, because I think that's how he's
going to get himself hurt.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
He's got to adopt the.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Tom Brady late career mindset of the moment, I feel
the walls closing in, I'm getting rid of the ball now.
For Rogers, who regards his touchdown to interception ratio as
the thing that makes him the best of all time,
he might not be as inclined as Brady was to
just throw the ball up into the air.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
And we saw Brady do it over and over again.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
He did it multiple times in the NFC Championship game
that the Buccaneers eventually won over Rogers, and the Packers
went in doubt, get rid of it if it gets
picked off, So what, at least I didn't get blown up.
That's the key Rogers has to prioritize not getting hit.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
He's got to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
He's got to get the ball down the field and
he can't try to run with it.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He's got to play like he did. Remember the year
that he had the.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Calf injury and he stayed in the middle of the pocket.
He's got to play like he's got that calf injury,
because if he starts getting hit, he will have a
calf injury and a knee injury, and a hip injury,
and rib injuries and a shoulder injury. Because these guys
literally are half his age that are chasing him around.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now, who came up with the you know he's the
best thrower of the football of all time? Okay, well,
but because if somebody said somebody is, he's the most
athletic basketball player I've ever seen, or he throws the
ball harder than any pitcher ever. My first my follow
(29:51):
up question or first question would be, well, was he successful?
So you have the best greatest thrower of the football.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Well, what it means is and I read the I
O'Connor biography last year. You know when you walk out
onto a field and you're standing there and you hear
a sound and you don't know what the hell the
sound is, and you realize it's the sound that the
ball makes when Aaron Rodgers throws it that few others
can make. That's what makes him the great thrower. And
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I defer to Chris Simms on this stuff. He's lived
in and around it his whole life. He was an
NFL quarterback, his dad was an NFL quarterback. And when
he raised about Roger was being the greatest he's ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
And the problem is, Yeah, you went to one super Bowl,
and there's a hell.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Of a story to be told one of these days
on why the Packers failed to ever go back to
another Super Bowl. They had it against the Seahawks in
the twenty fourteen NFC Championship and through you know, an
unprecedented This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong,
This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong.
They would have gone back and would have played the
Patriots that year. But how can Rogers have only been
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to one super Bowl in his entire career when you
consider just how effortless, and it's like it's a lot
of Patrick Mahomes, it's some John Elway. Just an arm
that is rare and special, and I think that's what
set him apart. But one super Bowl appearance and a
couple of bad years with the Jets, and I think
he's just looking for something to end his career that
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will make people forget about his time in New York.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, he's not the best quarterback of all time, but
it feels like we want to have a designation because
of you know, what he accomplished, But to me, it
leads to the follow up of what he didn't accomplished.
The greatest thrower of the football, and then you look
at the losses.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You know, regular.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Season stats are incredible, what four MVPs, all of those things.
I just it's weird how it's supposed to be a
compliment but it kind of brings about a yeah, but
it feels like he underachieved.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Well, that's right, and that's why I think he gets
sensitive about it and he only wants to say so
much about it. Let's talk about my touchdown to interception
ratio and nothing else, right, and nothing else because let's
not talk about championships.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Let's not talk about Super Bowl appearances.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
And when you think about the embarrassment of riches the
Packers have had at quarterback since Brett Farv replaced Don
Mkowski during a nineteen ninety two regular season game. They
go from Farv to Rodgers and now Jordan Love. We
don't know which way it's really going to skew for him,
but all those years of Farv and Rogers and to
have only two super Bowl wins to show for it,
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when the Patriots got six with Tom Brady, Yeah you
got two, and there's plenty of teams that would love
to have won. But man, what a disappointment to have
two of the all time greats and only have two
additional championships.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Speaking of Pittsburgh, I don't know if this could be
a package deal of Aaron Rodgers one year and Mike
Tomlin because now they're back into the we're going to
need a quarterback that once, you know, Rogers leaves, and
if they don't, let's say they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Let's say they go out in the first round.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I get some point we can credit Mike Tomlin for
being a Hall of Fame coach. But just like we've
done with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, like after a while,
and John Harball's got the league MVP, you know, as
his quarterback. So I just wonder Mike Tomlin might be
getting to that sweet spot of I can go into
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TV right now and make a whole lot more money
and have a lot less headaches, and I'm going into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Hey, Dan, I've lived in around Pittsburgh my whole life,
and the way the Steelers are behaving this offseason is
unlike anything they've ever done. The contract they gave the
Dk Metcalf market value for a guy who's never played
for the team before.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
They have never done that.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
They only get market value to their own players that
they have, that they know, that they trust, and they
believe in their taking a roll of the dice with Metcalf,
and then they assume the position for two plus months
with Aaron Rodgers. And I look, I fully believe that
Mike Tomlin knew he was getting Aaron Rodgers. They decided
it was less of a distraction if he's not on
the team and not at offseason workouts, then if he's
(34:15):
on the team and not at offseason workouts. But still,
it feels like a level of desperation to end what
will be a nine year streak.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Of no playoff wins.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
That's the longest the Steelers have gone between postseason wins
since they finally got their first win December twenty three,
nineteen seventy two, in the Immaculate Reception Game. So I
feel like there's a desperation there. And if they fail
to win a playoff game this year, what happens next.
I don't think they'll ever fire Tomlin. Maybe Tomlin will
decide it's time to move on. Maybe the Steelers will decide,
(34:45):
you know what, if there's somebody else out there that
wants to give us multiple first round picks, the John
Gruden package for Mike.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Tomlin, maybe we'll take it.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I'm not saying they will, but the level of desperation
I've seen this year tells me if they fail again,
we need to be ready for any thing in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
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and Pablo, thanks for joining us, Mike, thank you, anthe
to you, buddy, Mike Florio Pro Football Talk, and his
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
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Speaker 1 (35:18):
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Speaker 2 (35:29):
Even though Todd says don't take phone calls, you could
take a few.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
We should.
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
Larry in Virginia, Hi Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Dan?
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Love the show?
Speaker 11 (35:56):
Six one two oh five. Got a recommend Got a
recommendation for the UH for the Draft. I think it
will be really cool if each team you know, selected
a maybe a kid fan that they uh they have
some content for whatever. Anyway, they give the kid a hat,
a jersey, but then they also bring out a legend
(36:17):
from each team which with the logo ball and then
when the player comes up, the legend really hands the
ball over the kids there with the jersey and the hat,
and then hey, if you got get just traded later on,
you can just pass the ball off to the next guy.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So yeah, but you miss your photo up. You missed
that moment. That's the only thing that I would rail against.
And and Van Pelt talked about this on Sports Center
last night. This is this is your moment. You just
got drafted and you know you're wearing uh, you know,
OKC hat and then next thing you know, you're being
traded to Atlanta. It's not like they go, hey, hold on, commissioner,
(36:53):
can we bring up, you know, Jimmy Lepper to get
in this moment again, Yes, Mark Devil's Advocate. But is
it really important about it's only important for you to
shake the commissioner's hand. You didn't dream about, Oh man,
I hope I get picked by the Hawks of the Pelicans. No,
but you're up there, and it's the whole moment. It's
the full package. It's they put a hat on you.
(37:14):
You go out there and you act like you know
the commissioner is a loved one you haven't seen in
sixteen years. You know, it's just kind of weird, like, Hey,
I'm I'm a member of the Hawks, and then thirty
minutes later, Hey I'm not. But your draft day picture
is you with the commissioner with a Hawks hat on? Yes,
but you learned the business. Hey one, Okay, teaching moment.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Martin Marcus in South Carolina. Hi Marcus, Hey Dan, good morning.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
How you doing great? Great? What do you have for me?
Speaker 12 (37:49):
I have an idea for the NBA Draft. Let's get
rid of the hat and let's move to make given
a team logo like dominant crushed boats slash predate for
the suits.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Okay, all right, I mean we're trying to move product.
Here is what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm just trying to take away that awkward moment of
A the hat looks stupid, and b if you happen
to get traded, you're wearing this hat.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
And you're going to another two. It was just weird.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I can I'm there with Pippin and Polonies and I
just remember when they announced they had been traded for
each other and they just swamped hats. They were like
three rows between them, and then you know, we were
there interviewing I was interviewing olden polonies. But I just
remember Pippin was like three rows back and then they
(38:41):
just go, oh, you've been traded, And so your line
of questioning changed considerably when you're talking about olden polonies
and what do you know about Chicago? Next thing, you know,
what do you know about Seattle? Kevin in Ohio? Hi, Kevin,
went's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Say good afternoon, DP.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Me.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (39:03):
My question to you, sir, besides Cooper Flagg, who do
you think has the best chance to succeed?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You know, I I would probably just be guessing because
somebody at eighteen going to be a whole lot different
than somebody at twenty three. Dylan Harper has the pedigree
with his father that can help you understand the business
part of this. I like his size. You know, hopefully
(39:35):
he becomes a better shooter. But you're going to a
team that's a young team. You could be building something.
But you're also going to a team where their point
guard was the Rookie of the Year and Stefan Council
and you have dearon Fox. Feels like something's going to
be done there with san Antonio.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Yeah, Pull, there's just no way to know it's I'm
looking at the twenty twenty draft. If I told you
the number one pick, James Wiseman would be out of
the sport in five years and the twelfth pick, Tyrese
Haliburton would be on his way to being a superstar,
if not a superstar.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And as I brought this up that the rookie last
year who played the most minutes was bub Carrington. He
played for the Wizards. He was drafted fourteenth. Played the
most minutes of any rookie last year. Jalen Wells drafted
thirty ninth, second most minutes. He played for the Grizzlies.
Stefan Castle was Rookie of the Year. He's drafted fourth.
(40:28):
Eves Missy with the Pelicans drafted twenty first. So that's
why you don't know how much are you playing because
you have to play because you're on a bad team,
and some of these other players where they're going to
be eased in.
Speaker 11 (40:44):
Reed.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Shepherd didn't play. He's the third pick and if you
saw him in the summer league, you're going he's going
to be a star.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
He didn't play.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's why when you're trying to handicap this Toomani kahmer Hi.
Uh yeah, exactly. You don't know who he is. He
played for the Blazers the previous season. He played the
most minutes of any rookie. He was drafted fifty second.
Sometimes when you go to a bad team, you get
an opportunity to play right away. Coming up, good idea,
(41:21):
bad idea. Commissioner Silver talks about the epidemic the Achilles
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