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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There is no one who said Federman did a good
job last night. It was awful. However, the big question
remains how much is it going to hurt him. Maybe
we're in this new era of politics where nothing matters.
Were so tribal. We just want to make sure that
the guy, has Britt said, can sit on the Senate
floor and raise his hand for your your team. That
is right. That's Moralison from NPR. She was on Fox
(00:20):
yesterday saying, we are in a new era of politics
where nothing matters. That is true. Did my team get
more people than your team? Character doesn't matter according to polls,
Health doesn't matter according to polls. Just do I get
more people from my team? That's just the era we're in.
We're gonna talk a little California politics and a lot
of you don't live in California, but California is about
(00:44):
to be the fourth biggest economy in the world. One
out of eight Americans live in California, and I think
the governor is going to try to become president of
the United States. There's a lot of things that happened
in California spread across the country. We're gonna talk with
Katie Grimes she's the editor of the California Globe, longtime
investigative journalists covering the California state capital, and the co
author of California's War against Donald Trump? Who Wins, Who Loses? Katie,
(01:07):
Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Good morning, Jack,
Thank you before we get into something probably of more important. So,
I was just looking at this whole drag queen pumpkin
carving thing that Senator Winner's havan over the weekend. Yes,
what what is that? What is the obsession with pushing
drag queens into everything all the time? But anyway, so
(01:30):
it says for for families, which I assume means kids
have Also, if you want to take your kid to
a pumpkin carving judged by drag queens, go ahead. But
I just don't know why drag queens have to get
shoved into every event. Now, Yeah, you ask such a
good question. I think, uh, millions of California parents want
to know this as well. Um, every every event. Senator
(01:54):
Wiener holds and Senator Weener for those who aren't familiar
with him, he is a San Francisco UH state senator. UM.
He is openly gay. He most of his legislation surrounds
um the gay community in the state. Uh. So for him,
this is just normal. I think what he wants is
(02:14):
to make it normal for everybody else. Ye, well, good
luck with that. That in San Francisco is its own thing,
even in California for California as a whole. And we've
been talking about this mostly using your article, but I
think this is damned interesting because well, first of all,
you think Gavin Newsom is gonna run for president, Yeah,
I too, so um So that's why this becomes an
(02:38):
issue for you wherever you live, because I think there's
a decent chance he's the Democratic nominee running for residing
it's Trump or de Santist or whoever, and he's going
to tout all the amazing things he did in the
state of California, including how the test scores for California
kids were better during the pandemic than all other states,
including Florida. How is that dishonest, Katie Grimes? Oh, it's
(03:02):
so dishonest. Um. First of all, we were one of
the states that was locked down the longest. So our
kids and you have kids, no, fully, well, uh that
the kids were out of out of you in person school,
so the learning loss parents could see day by day,
month by month. Um what's so interesting about the actual
(03:23):
um UH test, the national testing that he's talking about
is he is trying to compare California students to the
rest of the country on learning loss when that's certainly
not what the national testing was for in the first place.
He should be talking about California kids and their actual
test scores. And it was actually more important that is
(03:45):
that the kids went into COVID already the worst test
scores in the country. UM. So two thousand nineteen, our
kids were, you know, half the kids could barely read,
a third of them weren't even competent in math, and
so then you pile on top of that the lockdowns.
(04:05):
But the and and the distance learning, I think is
where I was trying to go with us. Um So
the new national assessment tests, which our state did try
to keep secret. They wanted to cover this up until
after the midterm election, which is another story in and
of itself. UM. But these did come out, and they
(04:25):
show that California's kids aren't doing well compared to other
states kids. But we should be more concerned with our
own kids test scores and they are abominable. Um. What
this showed is that white students dropped from a math
proficiency of only forty percent in the state to thirty
four percent proficiency. African American students dropped from only ten
(04:48):
percent math proficiency to seven percent, Hispanic students dropped from
only fiftcent math proficiency to eleven percent, and low income
kids that the schools measure if they're eligible for the
school lunch program, their scores dropped from an already low
sixteen percent to eleven percent. So I think, yeah, it's
just it was horrific to begin with, as you you know,
(05:09):
I said they were already low. Now they are outrageously bad,
and it's going to take years to play catch up. Yeah,
I'm amazed that those those numbers from before weren't a
bigger headline that we were all talking about all the time. Right,
that's just you can't have half your kids are more
(05:32):
not meeting the already not very high standards. Exactly. What
was also bad is before COVID in two thousand, nineteen, UM,
white students reading proficiency was only at forty five percent
in the state, African Americans ten percent, Hispanic nineteen percent,
Low income students were only reading proficiency at eighteen percent.
(05:57):
So these were really really bad numbers to begin with us.
Uh and then obviously locking them down, we're seeing the
devastating effects. I know there's a long road between here
and presidential election and a lot of twists and turns
and and uh and and people's names we've never even
(06:17):
heard of that are going to decide to run, that
could become rock stars, all that sort of stuff. But
one thing that would be great about a Gavin Newsome
Rhonda Santis race is I think it would really end
up being a national debate over two very different views
of how to run your politics, your schools, your businesses,
your your culture, war, your everything. And uh, it would
(06:40):
be fun to have that torn apart at a very uh,
you know, intricate level all those different topics. Yeah, certainly would. Um.
What's interesting is, I think my next book needs to
be California's War against Rhonda Santism, because that's certainly where
our governor has his laser focus these days. So I
(07:01):
think you know that shows us he's truly running for president. Um,
but you are right, uh. And and as you and
Joe talk about um our our politics, in the United
States kind of almost being tribal. Were the Republican tribe
or were the Democrat tribe? And that's all we care about? Yeah, well,
let me. I gotta do the the statistic of the
day today that I keep repeating because it's just so
(07:23):
freaking amazing. Um uh NBC News poll percentage of Americans
who say the opposite party's agenda poses a threat that,
if not stopped, will quote destroy America as we know it. Yeah,
it's it's eight for Democrats and eight for Republicans. So
(07:43):
four out of five of everybody thinks the other party
is out to destroy America. Well, if that's what you believe. Obviously,
politics get pretty, first of all, the front and center
in our lives, and secondly pretty vicious. Yeah they do.
I think that's what would make a DeSantis Newsome race
in in being observed in such a granular fashion as
(08:07):
we would do. Certainly, I don't the mainstream media would
certainly root for Newsome, um, but I think it would
really show the country what's at stake, um, without being
you know, my guys good, your guys bad. I think
I think these things that we're talking about right now,
you know, our our students test scores. Um. You know, homelessness,
Florida versus California, crime Florida versity of California. It would
(08:31):
really be a fascinating UM breakdown. Here's my guests. You
tell me whether you think this is right. And I
just think that Gavin Newsom has been surrounded by people.
Who is the mayor of San Francisco. He's been surrounded
by people so far his direction for so long. He
really is out of touch with mainstream America. There aren't
(08:54):
near as many people in the country that want to
uh pay for flying somebody in front of abortion or
give healthcare to illegals as he thinks you are absolutely right, Um,
and yeah, I've been covering him a long time. He
has been groomed by the San Francisco political cabal now
(09:15):
for years for this. He thinks he's the heir apparent. Um.
He is not well liked in the state capitol. I
will tell you that the Democrats don't like him and
Republicans don't like him. He's very imperious and I'm gonna
ask you why don't the Democrats in California like Gavin Newsom?
He won't work with them. He issues edicts and orders
(09:36):
and sends his staff to deal with them instead of,
I mean, give the devil his due. Jerry Brown would
sit down and hash out a budget with the Democrats
and Republicans when the Republicans were allowed in the room. Um,
but he would he would meet with um, you know,
the leaders of both parties, of both houses. He was
extremely accessible and so this legislature was used to that.
(09:59):
And yeah, Gavin Newsom is kind of ruling from the
Ivory tower. Well, you mentioned Willie Brown, which reminded me
of Kamala Harris, for better or worse. And so what
is what is their relationship between Gavin and Kamala Because
I've had a couple of reporters on today we're talking
about how like two days after the election, because we'll
have a day of results and then races on with
(10:22):
the expectation that Biden won't run again, and Kamala Harris
is a vice president but nobody so does Gavin run
against her? What's their relationship? You know, I think their
relationship is certainly in the media, it's like, you know,
just friendly, you know, local rivals. I don't think any
of these folks from San Francisco have a good relationship
(10:43):
with anybody else. They all want power and control and
that's always their primary motive. Obviously, Kamala Harris showed us
she would get there by any means necessary. Yeah, that
that'll be something if you end up having the California
government governor in a former California senator really vying for
the Tom top spot there and how the go at
(11:04):
each other. Um uh, Katie Grimes, we appreciate your time.
We really love your columns. We read you all the time,
we quote you all the time. Thanks for coming on
the show today. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. Jeff Armstrong
and Jetty
There is no one who said Federman did a good
job last night. It was awful. However, the big question
remains how much is it going to hurt him. Maybe
we're in this new era of politics where nothing matters.
Were so tribal. We just want to make sure that
the guy, has Britt said, can sit on the Senate
floor and raise his hand for your your team. That
is right. That's Moralison from NPR. She was on Fox
(00:20):
yesterday saying, we are in a new era of politics
where nothing matters. That is true. Did my team get
more people than your team? Character doesn't matter according to polls,
Health doesn't matter according to polls. Just do I get
more people from my team? That's just the era we're in.
We're gonna talk a little California politics and a lot
of you don't live in California, but California is about
(00:44):
to be the fourth biggest economy in the world. One
out of eight Americans live in California, and I think
the governor is going to try to become president of
the United States. There's a lot of things that happened
in California spread across the country. We're gonna talk with
Katie Grimes she's the editor of the California Globe, longtime
investigative journalists covering the California state capital, and the co
author of California's War against Donald Trump? Who Wins, Who Loses? Katie,
(01:07):
Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Good morning, Jack,
Thank you before we get into something probably of more important. So,
I was just looking at this whole drag queen pumpkin
carving thing that Senator Winner's havan over the weekend. Yes,
what what is that? What is the obsession with pushing
drag queens into everything all the time? But anyway, so
(01:30):
it says for for families, which I assume means kids
have Also, if you want to take your kid to
a pumpkin carving judged by drag queens, go ahead. But
I just don't know why drag queens have to get
shoved into every event. Now, Yeah, you ask such a
good question. I think, uh, millions of California parents want
to know this as well. Um, every every event. Senator
(01:54):
Wiener holds and Senator Weener for those who aren't familiar
with him, he is a San Francisco UH state senator. UM.
He is openly gay. He most of his legislation surrounds
um the gay community in the state. Uh. So for him,
this is just normal. I think what he wants is
(02:14):
to make it normal for everybody else. Ye, well, good
luck with that. That in San Francisco is its own thing,
even in California for California as a whole. And we've
been talking about this mostly using your article, but I
think this is damned interesting because well, first of all,
you think Gavin Newsom is gonna run for president, Yeah,
I too, so um So that's why this becomes an
(02:38):
issue for you wherever you live, because I think there's
a decent chance he's the Democratic nominee running for residing
it's Trump or de Santist or whoever, and he's going
to tout all the amazing things he did in the
state of California, including how the test scores for California
kids were better during the pandemic than all other states,
including Florida. How is that dishonest, Katie Grimes? Oh, it's
(03:02):
so dishonest. Um. First of all, we were one of
the states that was locked down the longest. So our
kids and you have kids, no, fully, well, uh that
the kids were out of out of you in person school,
so the learning loss parents could see day by day,
month by month. Um what's so interesting about the actual
(03:23):
um UH test, the national testing that he's talking about
is he is trying to compare California students to the
rest of the country on learning loss when that's certainly
not what the national testing was for in the first place.
He should be talking about California kids and their actual
test scores. And it was actually more important that is
(03:45):
that the kids went into COVID already the worst test
scores in the country. UM. So two thousand nineteen, our
kids were, you know, half the kids could barely read,
a third of them weren't even competent in math, and
so then you pile on top of that the lockdowns.
(04:05):
But the and and the distance learning, I think is
where I was trying to go with us. Um So
the new national assessment tests, which our state did try
to keep secret. They wanted to cover this up until
after the midterm election, which is another story in and
of itself. UM. But these did come out, and they
(04:25):
show that California's kids aren't doing well compared to other
states kids. But we should be more concerned with our
own kids test scores and they are abominable. Um. What
this showed is that white students dropped from a math
proficiency of only forty percent in the state to thirty
four percent proficiency. African American students dropped from only ten
(04:48):
percent math proficiency to seven percent, Hispanic students dropped from
only fiftcent math proficiency to eleven percent, and low income
kids that the schools measure if they're eligible for the
school lunch program, their scores dropped from an already low
sixteen percent to eleven percent. So I think, yeah, it's
just it was horrific to begin with, as you you know,
(05:09):
I said they were already low. Now they are outrageously bad,
and it's going to take years to play catch up. Yeah,
I'm amazed that those those numbers from before weren't a
bigger headline that we were all talking about all the time. Right,
that's just you can't have half your kids are more
(05:32):
not meeting the already not very high standards. Exactly. What
was also bad is before COVID in two thousand, nineteen, UM,
white students reading proficiency was only at forty five percent
in the state, African Americans ten percent, Hispanic nineteen percent,
Low income students were only reading proficiency at eighteen percent.
(05:57):
So these were really really bad numbers to begin with us.
Uh and then obviously locking them down, we're seeing the
devastating effects. I know there's a long road between here
and presidential election and a lot of twists and turns
and and uh and and people's names we've never even
(06:17):
heard of that are going to decide to run, that
could become rock stars, all that sort of stuff. But
one thing that would be great about a Gavin Newsome
Rhonda Santis race is I think it would really end
up being a national debate over two very different views
of how to run your politics, your schools, your businesses,
your your culture, war, your everything. And uh, it would
(06:40):
be fun to have that torn apart at a very uh,
you know, intricate level all those different topics. Yeah, certainly would. Um.
What's interesting is, I think my next book needs to
be California's War against Rhonda Santism, because that's certainly where
our governor has his laser focus these days. So I
(07:01):
think you know that shows us he's truly running for president. Um,
but you are right, uh. And and as you and
Joe talk about um our our politics, in the United
States kind of almost being tribal. Were the Republican tribe
or were the Democrat tribe? And that's all we care about? Yeah, well,
let me. I gotta do the the statistic of the
day today that I keep repeating because it's just so
(07:23):
freaking amazing. Um uh NBC News poll percentage of Americans
who say the opposite party's agenda poses a threat that,
if not stopped, will quote destroy America as we know it. Yeah,
it's it's eight for Democrats and eight for Republicans. So
(07:43):
four out of five of everybody thinks the other party
is out to destroy America. Well, if that's what you believe. Obviously,
politics get pretty, first of all, the front and center
in our lives, and secondly pretty vicious. Yeah they do.
I think that's what would make a DeSantis Newsome race
in in being observed in such a granular fashion as
(08:07):
we would do. Certainly, I don't the mainstream media would
certainly root for Newsome, um, but I think it would
really show the country what's at stake, um, without being
you know, my guys good, your guys bad. I think
I think these things that we're talking about right now,
you know, our our students test scores. Um. You know, homelessness,
Florida versus California, crime Florida versity of California. It would
(08:31):
really be a fascinating UM breakdown. Here's my guests. You
tell me whether you think this is right. And I
just think that Gavin Newsom has been surrounded by people.
Who is the mayor of San Francisco. He's been surrounded
by people so far his direction for so long. He
really is out of touch with mainstream America. There aren't
(08:54):
near as many people in the country that want to
uh pay for flying somebody in front of abortion or
give healthcare to illegals as he thinks you are absolutely right, Um,
and yeah, I've been covering him a long time. He
has been groomed by the San Francisco political cabal now
(09:15):
for years for this. He thinks he's the heir apparent. Um.
He is not well liked in the state capitol. I
will tell you that the Democrats don't like him and
Republicans don't like him. He's very imperious and I'm gonna
ask you why don't the Democrats in California like Gavin Newsom?
He won't work with them. He issues edicts and orders
(09:36):
and sends his staff to deal with them instead of,
I mean, give the devil his due. Jerry Brown would
sit down and hash out a budget with the Democrats
and Republicans when the Republicans were allowed in the room. Um,
but he would he would meet with um, you know,
the leaders of both parties, of both houses. He was
extremely accessible and so this legislature was used to that.
(09:59):
And yeah, Gavin Newsom is kind of ruling from the
Ivory tower. Well, you mentioned Willie Brown, which reminded me
of Kamala Harris, for better or worse. And so what
is what is their relationship between Gavin and Kamala Because
I've had a couple of reporters on today we're talking
about how like two days after the election, because we'll
have a day of results and then races on with
(10:22):
the expectation that Biden won't run again, and Kamala Harris
is a vice president but nobody so does Gavin run
against her? What's their relationship? You know, I think their
relationship is certainly in the media, it's like, you know,
just friendly, you know, local rivals. I don't think any
of these folks from San Francisco have a good relationship
(10:43):
with anybody else. They all want power and control and
that's always their primary motive. Obviously, Kamala Harris showed us
she would get there by any means necessary. Yeah, that
that'll be something if you end up having the California
government governor in a former California senator really vying for
the Tom top spot there and how the go at
(11:04):
each other. Um uh, Katie Grimes, we appreciate your time.
We really love your columns. We read you all the time,
we quote you all the time. Thanks for coming on
the show today. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. Jeff Armstrong
and Jetty
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