August 30, 2023 • 15 mins
Jack & Joe are joined by a pair of Davis CA moms, Beth Bourne and Allie Snyder, who's public meeting at their local library (the August 20 event, "Forum on Fair & Safe Sport for Girls") was shut down by an overzealous and ill-informed librarian.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Women in Davis, California, attempting to have a public forum
about whether boys should be allowed to compete in girls'
sports shut down by a mad activist librarian. We'll talk
to them.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Because four hours. Simply, this is Armstrong and Getty extra large.
For better or worse, every dust up now is on film.
Somebody whips out their iPhone. In this case, it's for better.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh, I'd say it's almost always for better, except when
somebody gets ken boned or something like that. But yeah,
I think exposing the lunacy and the just wrongness of
some of the radical activists is absolutely valuable.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So they attempted to have a meeting at the library
in Davis, California. We're going to talk to a couple
of the activists involved here in a little bit. They
basically wanted to discuss the issue of biological men being
allowed to compete in women's sports.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh, you just misgendered somebody. You're violating state law.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And how are we going to deal with that or not?
And they don't like the idea of it happening, but
so they reserve the room. Theyre at the library. They're
going to have the discussion with the library and jumps
in and tells them they're breaking the state lawn and
shuts them down. Is how it goes. So we thought
we'd talked to the people involved themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We have a couple of guests, Beth born In Alie Snyder,
who were part of the francas at the Davis, California
Library over. Well, well, let them explain what was over,
because I think they could do a good job of
explaining it. Beth is Davis, mother of two and chair
of Moms for Liberty Yolo County California chapter, been fighting
gender ideology in Davis public schools. And Ali Snyder, who
(01:49):
is a supporter and a member of Standing for Women
women's rights organization. Beth and Ali, good to be talking
to you both.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yes, it'd great to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Hey, before we get to the event that got so
much attention national attention over the weekend at the library,
you have filed dozens of foyer requests with the local
public school. I mean usually foyer requests are because you
feel like the government's hiding something from you. Why'd you
have to file all these foyas?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
You know, I realized there was quite a bit of
material in the classroom in our school libraries, in our
school surveys and just interactions between the administrators and teachers
and principal that I wasn't aware of. And the only
way I.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Could get.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
A clear answer was by submitting a public record request
or a FOYA.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So if you just asked, well, I'll ask you, why
didn't you just ask the teacher, hey, what are you
teaching in this class? Or the principal or whatever.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Well, I found out if you asked that question, they
send you to the district office in downtown Davis, and
at the office they'll share a binder with you that
has some handouts of the class curriculum. But what it
doesn't share with you is the videos and the slides
that the kids are actually seeing in the classroom when
they get to the sexuality and gender identity lessons. So
(03:13):
I just started to realize that the information's not there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Interesting, would it be accurate to say that the schools
are actively hiding what they're teaching from parents?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It lays the groundwork fairly well for the schools in Davis, California,
and a lot of places around the country. So what
was the event you were trying to have at the
Library over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
The event was a public forum on the CIF California
Interscholastics Federation policies around including transgender athletes in girls and
boys sports. But specifically we were looking at the policies
and guidelines given to girls on what they need to
(04:00):
do to be inclusive towards these other trans athletes.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Well, and you certainly have our permission to use terms
like biological mail because that's what we're going to use.
It's worth pointing out that we're talking about biological males
in girls sports. There are precisely zero biological girls dominating
men's sports. So having said that, you say it was
an open forum where you just there to weigh different
(04:29):
points of view on the topic.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes, that's the purpose of the forum and how the
agenda was laid out was to allow sort of just
a public conversation and we were first going to hear
from speakers who are well versed or kind of experts
and what this means in the sports world.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So you reserve the room at the library. How many
people showed up?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I believe the capacities for the room is ninety four
and to me it looks like maybe seventy seventy five, and.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was mostly people who don't dig the idea of
biological men competing in women's sports or was there a
mixture or how would you break down the foreign against crowd?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, I would say split. I would say maybe one
third were tras short for transwrites activists and probably the
other two thirds were there to listen and participate in
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, at what point does the librarian come in and
say you're breaking the law and to attempt to kick
you out? How soon did that happen?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So that happened about I would say maybe ten minutes
prior to our event start time. So we were told
by him that if any of the event organizers were
to quote unquote misgender that they would be the but
(06:00):
we would actually be shut down.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, if you were to refer to a biological male
in girl sports, that would be misgendering them, right because
they say, hey, I'm a girl.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
If we were to refer to a man or a
boy as a man or a boy competing in girls
and women's sports, that would be considered misgendering.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And so he said that was breaking the law, but
he didn't say he was going to call the police
or anything. He's just going to shut down your event.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Correct. He said that California state law recognizes gender identities
as a protected class. And I believe, although, of course
I can't speak to what he was thinking, and it
wasn't articulated very well, but I believe the rationale that
(06:55):
he was trying to express was that because these are
considered protected characteristics, if we were not to refer to
the language of preference, or refer to men and boys
with their preferred pronouns, then it would be considered an
act of disrespect. And because the library has a policy
(07:17):
on respect, that I believe is what he was thinking
would be the justification to shut us down. Again, I
can't put words into his mouth. He did say it.
It's all on video.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Again, I was going to mention that at what point
clearly expressed.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
At what point did the phones come out and people
started recording, Was that like right at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Well, we started recording him when we got about ten
minutes prior to the event, when he dropped this on us.
We recorded so that we could, you know, try to
understand exactly what was being said. And that was with
his permission, of course, and Also, though Beth had on
(07:59):
her phone Kim Jones of Icons, because she was slated
to be kind of one of our headline speakers because
she's very well versed in Title nine and the erosion
of women's rights to fair and safe sports and fair
and safe single sex faces. So she was going to
(08:21):
be speaking via zoom and so she wasn't physically present,
but Beth brought her up on the phone so that
she could try to speak with the library representative and
explain to him that this is totally inappropriate, this policy, well.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The idea that any representative of a local government on
any level would be so wildly misguided as to suggest
that you can't even discuss this in the abstract because
that would be misgendering people and disrespectful. You know, as
I put it on the radio show, he was so
far from being right. If he had an electric card,
(08:59):
you have to recharge it twice to get to the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's just been.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Really loved that line, in particular. I love my boys.
When they were listening to the replay, we all got
to chuckle as a family over that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I can't imagine how somebody becomes that misguided, But go ahead, well, I.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Don't believe in the concept of mis gendering because this
isn't my faith, This isn't an ideology that I, you know,
ascribe to. So and I have a constitutional right under
the First Amendment not to participate in somebody else's face
and the language of their faith, and I don't. To me,
(09:37):
it is not respectful to participate in somebody else's uh,
you know, lie or delusion. I'm just going to be
very frank and very blunt. That is not respectful. It's
never respectful to lie to somebody or to affirm a lie.
I don't think that's healthy for anyone. So to me,
(09:58):
when I do not participate in this particular ideology, it's
actually not an act of disrespect. It's an act of
being truthful. And it's actually an act of being kind,
because it is never kind to lie to somebody in distress.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, did the whole topic just seems like the I mean,
just like a textbook example of the sort of discourse
you have to have and a functioning democracy in a
public space. I mean, it just fits in with everything
that you know we're about. And I realize you're trying
to keep this, you know, on a high level of discourse,
so you can so they don't have any like real
(10:37):
ammunition to tear you down. But the idea of having
the library, asking the library and where the anatomy section
is in the library, and like walking over there and
opening some books that I find quite hilarious, but I
realized why you wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Well, what's really unfortunate. And one of the things that
Beth has discovered through her Freedom of Information Act request
is that the actual biology textbooks that are given to
our children in the state in public school are being
rewritten to reflect this ideology and are being divorced from
(11:12):
actual science. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Sure the difference between them that.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Those anatomy books are actually no longer available in the library.
It's quite possible that, but I haven't researched that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So one of the piece of audio that we played
a couple of times was of was it one of
you arguing or attempting to discuss with a local activist
outside the library why you were doing what you're doing?
That was the lady who said, please go away, Please
go away, You're a biggest please go away.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Who was that?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So which one of you was that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It wasn't one of It wasn't bet or I, but
it was somebody who came to the event.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, not important, not important. That's leading up to my
actual question, which is I was struck the number of
times whether the librarian or the activist lady on the
sidewalk would refuse to make any argument. Their only argument
was you're a bigot, and I'm right. You're a bigot,
(12:21):
and I'm right. Was there anybody who was willing to
engage in an exchange of ideas?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
There might have been people in the audience who are
willing to engage in an exchange of ideas, but they
were not allowed to. And that's one of the saddest
parts of the violation of the First Amendment that we
you know, that we saw on Sunday was it's not
just your freedom to speak, but it's your freedom to listen.
And there were people who came there that I don't know,
(12:49):
and they were respectful, and they came with the intention
to hear what we had to say, and they weren't
able to and they certainly, you know, weren't able to
really participate in that conversation. Uh So, it's quite possible
that there were people who didn't have their minds made
(13:12):
up yet about what was going on and just really
wanted to be there with you know, open minds and curiosity.
But unfortunately their freedom, their First Amendment rights were also were.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They Were the police ever actually called or did the
police ever actually show up?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I believe I didn't see them, but I believe that
the police. So after we were escorted from the library,
we moved to the park right next door, just the
grassy area that's adjacent, and some of us, you know,
were able to give our speeches. Kim Jones was not
(13:52):
able to, of course, because she couldn't zoom in. But uh,
I believe while I was speaking, so my back was turned,
someone said that the police did walk by. So I
believe the police were called and the sheriffs were called
as well, because the library is the can and I.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Guess the My next question is, and so did anybody
attempt to push forward this hole? You broke the state
law thing? Have you been contacted by cops or lawyers
or anybody about you have violated the law and need
to be fined or jail or anything.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean, we, to my knowledge, none of us were
reprimanded or warned in.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Such a fashion that was, of course you'll warrant. Good lord,
I won't even dignify that proposition with an answer. Alie
Snyder and Beth Borne standing up for women's rights, the
First Amendment and the exchange of ideas. Good lord, it's
a little frightening that it needs those principles need a
(14:48):
defense at this point, but apparently they do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, and keep us updated on how this whole thing
goes out if there are any new wrinkles. Get ahold
of us.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to
share our story and for your defense of our constitution
as well. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh, it's it's our pleasure, believe me. Thanks good to
talk to you both. You know, Jack, One thing occurred
to me is the ladies we're talking, and that is
the principle that compelled speech is every bit as verboten
as restricted speech by the First Amendment. You cannot force
somebody to call a man a woman, no matter what
(15:25):
thinly adjudicated recently enacted cal Osha, you know policy the
librarian was citing. You can't make somebody say that, forget it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So the cops didn't come and arrest them to stay law.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
What a joke.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Extra large
Women in Davis, California, attempting to have a public forum
about whether boys should be allowed to compete in girls'
sports shut down by a mad activist librarian. We'll talk
to them.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Because four hours. Simply, this is Armstrong and Getty extra large.
For better or worse, every dust up now is on film.
Somebody whips out their iPhone. In this case, it's for better.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh, I'd say it's almost always for better, except when
somebody gets ken boned or something like that. But yeah,
I think exposing the lunacy and the just wrongness of
some of the radical activists is absolutely valuable.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So they attempted to have a meeting at the library
in Davis, California. We're going to talk to a couple
of the activists involved here in a little bit. They
basically wanted to discuss the issue of biological men being
allowed to compete in women's sports.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh, you just misgendered somebody. You're violating state law.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And how are we going to deal with that or not?
And they don't like the idea of it happening, but
so they reserve the room. Theyre at the library. They're
going to have the discussion with the library and jumps
in and tells them they're breaking the state lawn and
shuts them down. Is how it goes. So we thought
we'd talked to the people involved themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We have a couple of guests, Beth born In Alie Snyder,
who were part of the francas at the Davis, California
Library over. Well, well, let them explain what was over,
because I think they could do a good job of
explaining it. Beth is Davis, mother of two and chair
of Moms for Liberty Yolo County California chapter, been fighting
gender ideology in Davis public schools. And Ali Snyder, who
(01:49):
is a supporter and a member of Standing for Women
women's rights organization. Beth and Ali, good to be talking
to you both.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yes, it'd great to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Hey, before we get to the event that got so
much attention national attention over the weekend at the library,
you have filed dozens of foyer requests with the local
public school. I mean usually foyer requests are because you
feel like the government's hiding something from you. Why'd you
have to file all these foyas?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
You know, I realized there was quite a bit of
material in the classroom in our school libraries, in our
school surveys and just interactions between the administrators and teachers
and principal that I wasn't aware of. And the only
way I.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Could get.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
A clear answer was by submitting a public record request
or a FOYA.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So if you just asked, well, I'll ask you, why
didn't you just ask the teacher, hey, what are you
teaching in this class? Or the principal or whatever.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Well, I found out if you asked that question, they
send you to the district office in downtown Davis, and
at the office they'll share a binder with you that
has some handouts of the class curriculum. But what it
doesn't share with you is the videos and the slides
that the kids are actually seeing in the classroom when
they get to the sexuality and gender identity lessons. So
(03:13):
I just started to realize that the information's not there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Interesting, would it be accurate to say that the schools
are actively hiding what they're teaching from parents?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It lays the groundwork fairly well for the schools in Davis, California,
and a lot of places around the country. So what
was the event you were trying to have at the
Library over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
The event was a public forum on the CIF California
Interscholastics Federation policies around including transgender athletes in girls and
boys sports. But specifically we were looking at the policies
and guidelines given to girls on what they need to
(04:00):
do to be inclusive towards these other trans athletes.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Well, and you certainly have our permission to use terms
like biological mail because that's what we're going to use.
It's worth pointing out that we're talking about biological males
in girls sports. There are precisely zero biological girls dominating
men's sports. So having said that, you say it was
an open forum where you just there to weigh different
(04:29):
points of view on the topic.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes, that's the purpose of the forum and how the
agenda was laid out was to allow sort of just
a public conversation and we were first going to hear
from speakers who are well versed or kind of experts
and what this means in the sports world.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So you reserve the room at the library. How many
people showed up?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I believe the capacities for the room is ninety four
and to me it looks like maybe seventy seventy five, and.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was mostly people who don't dig the idea of
biological men competing in women's sports or was there a
mixture or how would you break down the foreign against crowd?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, I would say split. I would say maybe one
third were tras short for transwrites activists and probably the
other two thirds were there to listen and participate in
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, at what point does the librarian come in and
say you're breaking the law and to attempt to kick
you out? How soon did that happen?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So that happened about I would say maybe ten minutes
prior to our event start time. So we were told
by him that if any of the event organizers were
to quote unquote misgender that they would be the but
(06:00):
we would actually be shut down.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, if you were to refer to a biological male
in girl sports, that would be misgendering them, right because
they say, hey, I'm a girl.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
If we were to refer to a man or a
boy as a man or a boy competing in girls
and women's sports, that would be considered misgendering.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And so he said that was breaking the law, but
he didn't say he was going to call the police
or anything. He's just going to shut down your event.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Correct. He said that California state law recognizes gender identities
as a protected class. And I believe, although, of course
I can't speak to what he was thinking, and it
wasn't articulated very well, but I believe the rationale that
(06:55):
he was trying to express was that because these are
considered protected characteristics, if we were not to refer to
the language of preference, or refer to men and boys
with their preferred pronouns, then it would be considered an
act of disrespect. And because the library has a policy
(07:17):
on respect, that I believe is what he was thinking
would be the justification to shut us down. Again, I
can't put words into his mouth. He did say it.
It's all on video.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Again, I was going to mention that at what point
clearly expressed.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
At what point did the phones come out and people
started recording, Was that like right at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Well, we started recording him when we got about ten
minutes prior to the event, when he dropped this on us.
We recorded so that we could, you know, try to
understand exactly what was being said. And that was with
his permission, of course, and Also, though Beth had on
(07:59):
her phone Kim Jones of Icons, because she was slated
to be kind of one of our headline speakers because
she's very well versed in Title nine and the erosion
of women's rights to fair and safe sports and fair
and safe single sex faces. So she was going to
(08:21):
be speaking via zoom and so she wasn't physically present,
but Beth brought her up on the phone so that
she could try to speak with the library representative and
explain to him that this is totally inappropriate, this policy, well.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The idea that any representative of a local government on
any level would be so wildly misguided as to suggest
that you can't even discuss this in the abstract because
that would be misgendering people and disrespectful. You know, as
I put it on the radio show, he was so
far from being right. If he had an electric card,
(08:59):
you have to recharge it twice to get to the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's just been.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Really loved that line, in particular. I love my boys.
When they were listening to the replay, we all got
to chuckle as a family over that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I can't imagine how somebody becomes that misguided, But go ahead, well, I.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Don't believe in the concept of mis gendering because this
isn't my faith, This isn't an ideology that I, you know,
ascribe to. So and I have a constitutional right under
the First Amendment not to participate in somebody else's face
and the language of their faith, and I don't. To me,
(09:37):
it is not respectful to participate in somebody else's uh,
you know, lie or delusion. I'm just going to be
very frank and very blunt. That is not respectful. It's
never respectful to lie to somebody or to affirm a lie.
I don't think that's healthy for anyone. So to me,
(09:58):
when I do not participate in this particular ideology, it's
actually not an act of disrespect. It's an act of
being truthful. And it's actually an act of being kind,
because it is never kind to lie to somebody in distress.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, did the whole topic just seems like the I mean,
just like a textbook example of the sort of discourse
you have to have and a functioning democracy in a
public space. I mean, it just fits in with everything
that you know we're about. And I realize you're trying
to keep this, you know, on a high level of discourse,
so you can so they don't have any like real
(10:37):
ammunition to tear you down. But the idea of having
the library, asking the library and where the anatomy section
is in the library, and like walking over there and
opening some books that I find quite hilarious, but I
realized why you wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Well, what's really unfortunate. And one of the things that
Beth has discovered through her Freedom of Information Act request
is that the actual biology textbooks that are given to
our children in the state in public school are being
rewritten to reflect this ideology and are being divorced from
(11:12):
actual science. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Sure the difference between them that.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Those anatomy books are actually no longer available in the library.
It's quite possible that, but I haven't researched that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So one of the piece of audio that we played
a couple of times was of was it one of
you arguing or attempting to discuss with a local activist
outside the library why you were doing what you're doing?
That was the lady who said, please go away, Please
go away, You're a biggest please go away.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Who was that?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So which one of you was that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It wasn't one of It wasn't bet or I, but
it was somebody who came to the event.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, not important, not important. That's leading up to my
actual question, which is I was struck the number of
times whether the librarian or the activist lady on the
sidewalk would refuse to make any argument. Their only argument
was you're a bigot, and I'm right. You're a bigot,
(12:21):
and I'm right. Was there anybody who was willing to
engage in an exchange of ideas?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
There might have been people in the audience who are
willing to engage in an exchange of ideas, but they
were not allowed to. And that's one of the saddest
parts of the violation of the First Amendment that we
you know, that we saw on Sunday was it's not
just your freedom to speak, but it's your freedom to listen.
And there were people who came there that I don't know,
(12:49):
and they were respectful, and they came with the intention
to hear what we had to say, and they weren't
able to and they certainly, you know, weren't able to
really participate in that conversation. Uh So, it's quite possible
that there were people who didn't have their minds made
(13:12):
up yet about what was going on and just really
wanted to be there with you know, open minds and curiosity.
But unfortunately their freedom, their First Amendment rights were also were.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They Were the police ever actually called or did the
police ever actually show up?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I believe I didn't see them, but I believe that
the police. So after we were escorted from the library,
we moved to the park right next door, just the
grassy area that's adjacent, and some of us, you know,
were able to give our speeches. Kim Jones was not
(13:52):
able to, of course, because she couldn't zoom in. But uh,
I believe while I was speaking, so my back was turned,
someone said that the police did walk by. So I
believe the police were called and the sheriffs were called
as well, because the library is the can and I.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Guess the My next question is, and so did anybody
attempt to push forward this hole? You broke the state
law thing? Have you been contacted by cops or lawyers
or anybody about you have violated the law and need
to be fined or jail or anything.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean, we, to my knowledge, none of us were
reprimanded or warned in.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Such a fashion that was, of course you'll warrant. Good lord,
I won't even dignify that proposition with an answer. Alie
Snyder and Beth Borne standing up for women's rights, the
First Amendment and the exchange of ideas. Good lord, it's
a little frightening that it needs those principles need a
(14:48):
defense at this point, but apparently they do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, and keep us updated on how this whole thing
goes out if there are any new wrinkles. Get ahold
of us.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to
share our story and for your defense of our constitution
as well. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh, it's it's our pleasure, believe me. Thanks good to
talk to you both. You know, Jack, One thing occurred
to me is the ladies we're talking, and that is
the principle that compelled speech is every bit as verboten
as restricted speech by the First Amendment. You cannot force
somebody to call a man a woman, no matter what
(15:25):
thinly adjudicated recently enacted cal Osha, you know policy the
librarian was citing. You can't make somebody say that, forget it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So the cops didn't come and arrest them to stay law.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
What a joke.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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