November 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Men in America statistics that will blow your mind
- Europe's "gray zone"
- The Matt Gaetz scandal
- Chess boxing
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Gatty, arm.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Strong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I know he.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Armstrong and Gatty.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You're not gonna play my joke a home.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
And so much.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I love this joke.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Maxwell House Coffee temporarily changed its name to Maxwell Apartment
to better reflect current times. No, it's much better than
their first choice. Colleen, he so early.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Ah, boy, what do we got coming up?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joe coming up?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
The young lady at the center of the mac Gates allegations.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What actually happened in this story?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
No, he ends up looking great or really glaciousness Florida style.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So my son was on a Boy Scout hiking trip
over the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since
he joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed
with that organization in particular. I'm paying particularly I'm excited
about having an organization out there that's helping young men
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the way it clearly is.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Because man, the.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Whole young men landscape thing, for all kinds of different
reasons that we've been talking about for years is a
little scary.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The fact that being a boy is considered a.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Disease in school, and the concept of toxic masculinity when
you're just being a dude and just all those different
things really weird me out.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Well, especially if you've had the misfortune to be born white,
then you're seen as the center of all evil, as
taught in your local elementary school and on up through
the chain of mis edge.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So Friday night on his HBO show, Bill Maher had
this podcaster ny You, professor Matt Galloway on, and they
started talking about men in America and some of the
stats around it that are horrifying.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The number of men I didn't realize this is a
percentage who live at home, still live with their parents.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What are those numbers.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
It's about thirty percent of men under the age of
twenty five, one and three are still at home. One
in five are still at home by the age of thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
One in five at home at age thirty. Yipes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both?
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against
this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now
ten companies whose primary mission is to get you as
glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute.
They can keep you on a screen longer as billions
of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex
is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for dopo.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So what we've.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an economy which is
dependent on our ability to evolve a new species of asocial,
asexual males. And what you have is big tech, who
is not our friend, is trying to sequester people, especially
young people, especially young men, from the most important thing
in our life, and that is relationships.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I've been trying to say that for years, but not
as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of
our time are trying to addict us to screens for
their own nefarious purposes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well i'd never heard that before, though.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I didn't know, because we all know about the dopamine
hits that we get from ding a new text, a
new headline, a new whatever. I didn't know that young
men were more susceptible to the dopamine hit than the
rest of us.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking, that's what thrill seeking is.
And whether it's online thrills. You know, I'm not sure
I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement as I was,
And I wish I had the quote in front of me.
But it was one of your shooting people in war
video games and it was dead serious. Be a hero,
(04:02):
a real hero, Call of Warfare three or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's like, that's the opposite of what you freaking are.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
You're living at your parents' home just play acting being
a hero.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning
of this pre internet if you just started out, we're
gonna develop a product that'll make young men care about
this product more than they care.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
About getting laid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I'd just said that's impossible. There's nothing that matters more
to young men than And it turns out you came
up with something.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy
that does anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
He goes on, make sure you guys do not miss
this stat So here we go.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Okay, forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four
have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three
percent of men under age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And if you think about, stop it, because I want
you to start that again so I can pay closer attention.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Holy crap, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have
never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent
of men under the age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most
rewarding things in your life, I mean the things that
really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all
have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech,
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the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is
trying to convince young men that they can have a
reasonable facsimile of life online. Why go through the pecking
order of trying to establish friendships? And you got readed
in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate the
corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks on
Robinhood or coinbase.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And why would you go through the effort.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing
a romantic relationship when you have porn. I believe, slowly
but surely we're going to start to see fewer and
fewer young men out in the wild because they're going
to decide to sequester her. And if I could say
anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression
you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other
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mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that
lays outside of that room for you.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat
I'm glad he brought up the p word porn.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up?
He did.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship,
completely unheard of when I was a young man, Just
absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I
would have ever run into a guy my age who
wasn't pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year
olds had never asked a.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Woman to go do anything. That's stunning. Good lord.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
What's this Galloway's first name, Mike Scott. That is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah,
I'm gonna follow him, and I like the cut of
his GiB. He's talking, he's spitting truth, as they say, Wow,
this is.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
How many times have you said this?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
If this was a different species than Homo sapiens, the
scientific world would be on fire talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right, half of half of all alligators no longer want
to be in swamps.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Right, man, they're walking wrong along on hind legs and
trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is an
astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors in
a species happens to be humans.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe maybe the flip side of looking at it is
the only thing that was getting us out of the
house was this needing a little and if we wanted
it so much, we freaking threw on a tie.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
We left our home, We went.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Out there, got an edgemate, We did all these different
things just because we needed it so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And once you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Eliminate that need, ay, I'm just gonna state in my parents'
basement and sweats for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's sad, though it's of.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Course it's sad, And obviously he's right.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
At the end of the road, you'll be much sadder
than you would be with the pursuit and failure and
all the ups and downs of life. But I don't
think that your argument's going to work on young people.
Just to see your time horizon when you're young just
doesn't work well.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men,
although let's not let the crazy, angry militancy of young
women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well.
That's but I've got a couple of teenage boys, different syndrome,
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but still a significant one.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But like my high schooler, we spent a lot of
time together over the weekend because his brother was on
a camping trip. And he's gonna be sixteen here in
a couple of months, and he has the same attitude
every sixteen year old has where I had.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He talks about when I talk.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
About you when you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't
even I don't even care if I'm alive when I'm thirty.
Who cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so
far off when you're sixteen, you can't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Even imagine it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
You know, we'll be flying around in cars and all
kinds of stuff by the time you're thirty. So so
pitching to young people the idea, I mean, I do this,
I've done this with my own kids, and it seems
to be working so far. But pitching the you know
by the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad if.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You do this.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I hope that works. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies that it
had been eleven years since we played our last show
as a rock and roll band, and I thought, good lord,
eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of high school,
all of college in the first three years of your career,
which is enormously impactful and is forever in youthful years,
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you know, to your point when I'm thirty telling us
sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty,
you're going to be unhappy with your choices.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm done work. There will soon be.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular. It
will be very, very popular. It might be a smallish
minority of humans, but it will be an anti tech
religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I think
it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know.
(10:35):
I am prepared to be your leader. I will not
be sexing up your younger women. At least at first
that appeas to you, because every one of these like
insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing
up the young women.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I just figured I've got which the Matt Gates
thing coming up later?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, I've got an important point. But do we have
a commercial we have to do first?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
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Speaker 4 (12:00):
Point that half of young adult men have never asked
a girl out, and two thirds of men under thirty
are not looking for a relationship at all.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Imagine being a young woman.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Good lord, you're a twenty six year old getting your
act together, thinking of having a family someday. Woman, and
two thirds of dudes out there are not even thinking
about looking for a relationship. Holy crap, no wonder, you're
holding hands with a girl. You got no choice?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
And this wow, And this came out of nowhere. Okay,
this came on so quickly societally. But there's so much
money being made. It's propping up the stock market, for instance,
tech in general, this sort of thing is not being
said nearly as much as it should be.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Man, Michael, you promised our minds would be blown by
those stats. You were successful. That is some troubling, troubling stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You did not lie.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Why do we hear about Matt Gates's underage girlfriend or not?
I think that was troubling, among other things.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
On the way, stay here, Armstrong Hengetti.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
New escalations in the Caribbean, with the Navy's largest aircraft carrier,
the USS Gerald R Ford, now arriving in the Caribbean
Sea off the coast of Venezuela, part of President Trump's
pressure campaign against the Majuro regime there.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It comes just.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
After the Trump administrations as it launched another military strike
on a boat allegedly carrying drugs in the region.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
All of which is kind of pushed this into the background.
Twenty two Michael.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyaho vowing to oppose any attempt
to establish a Palestinian state. The UN Security Council is
expected to vote on an American plan authorizing an international
military force in Gaza. Some say the proposal opens the
door for Palestinian independence. Netanyahu has long maintained that a
Palestinian state rewards hamas Russia, China and some Arab countries
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opposed US plant.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh yeah, I've forgotten all about that story.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah, and there's plenty we could say on that, But
all of that, in turn has obscured the Great War
between Ukraine and Russia, the Russian invasion, that sort of thing. Remember,
Europe more threatened than it's been since World War Two, etcetera, etcetera. Anyway,
a number of stories going on on that front. We
thought we'd at least touch on. Found this interesting. Europe
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is in a gray zone between war and peace. European
leaders suspect Russias behind an intensifying barrage of drone incursions, sabotage,
cyber attacks, and disinformation campaigns. Germany, for instance, has experienced
a low four digit number of drone incursions this year.
(14:44):
Did you hear me, friends, the low four digits over
a thousand, averaging at least three daily over military defense
and critical infrastructure. Wow, I suspect it's Russians.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, you're getting thousand of Russian drones coming into Germany.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
At least yeah, a thousand. Yeah, drones are a part
and of intensifying barrage. European leaders suspect Russia's directing at
the continent over its support for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Uh, said one leader.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh, there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It is Frederick Mertz of Germany.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
We are not at war with Russia, but we are
no longer at peace either.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Geez, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I know nobody's talking about it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Here's a former senior official at Central Intelligence Agency quote.
Our adversaries have calculated that they can hide behind ambiguity
and deniability to violate sovereignty, ignore national laws and international norms,
and engage in activities such as political coercion, sabotage, and
even assassinations without triggering an armed response. You've been talking
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about this for years. At what point do we view
a cyber attack as an attack? You attacked us, It's
going to cost US five million dollars to rebuild. What
do you care if it's bricks or computer systems?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And if you set off a bomb that did a
tenth of the damage, that would be seen as an
act of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
War, right.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But a cyber attack you just said, well, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Here's another headline from a few days ago. What the
looming fall of the Ukrainian city says about Putin's war.
The longest short of it is it is grinding on it.
Putin has zero interest in any peace officer offer. Rather,
he's inscripting more and more people, more and more younger people,
and convicts and everything. Has no desire to stop the killing.
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He feels like he's winning. Speaking of which, how's this
headline for you? Putin is turning eighth grade classrooms into
army army training grounds. A vast militarization of Russia's education
system is gathering pace in classrooms where active soldiers trained
students to handle weapons, including eighth graders.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Well, that leads me to believe he's willing to feed many,
many more years worth of young men into the meat grinder.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Russian mothers have noticed. How about this?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
A class of Russian first graders stood to attention this
fall as a soldier who had served on the front
line in Ukraine inspected their military uniforms. Check your dress,
order the servicemen, Your buckles should face left, not right,
look straight ahead. The pupils, aged six to eight, adjusted collars,
swiveled belts, and reposition the name badges on their chests.
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Then they settled beyond their desks for an hour of
Russian language study.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Not Hitler youth, but Putin youth, all right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Meanwhile, we're teaching our kids to hate their country and
to color in the genderbred person. Another divide. Another divide
in Europe is over the nord Stream investigation. It looks
like Ukrainian agents did it with some helps some other people,
and the Germans who are just jackasses and want the
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Russian gas are investigating it thoroughly and like bringing one
of arrest.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
People, and others like the polls are saying, what the
hell are you doing Germany?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Why are you doing this on Russia's behalf stop it.
It's been a real divide.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, she seems like we should be paying attention to
these stories, but she got the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's gonna keep us busy for a while.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Ug Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
New details as the NBA expands its investigation into the
gambling schemes still rocking professional basketball investigators hired by the
league now asking multiple teams for access to cell phones
and phone records. The law firm hired by the NBA
is expected to seek documents from at least ten Lakers employees.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So the NBA going around saying, you got to give
me your phone. You got a guy here's he going
to go through it?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Is that in their contracts or something or voluntary?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't know, but there's a possibility that in baseball
and basketball this is gonna blow up into a big thing.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was saying to friends over the weekend.
My sense of it is we're gonna start hearing about
this sort of thing on a weekly basis. It's gonna
be like rainstorms hit Kentucky over the weekend. I mean,
it's just gonna be a routine part of our lives.
How About if you're the latest, you know, area of
sports to come under scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
How about if you're.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
A pitcher and you accidentally, you know, you're legitimately just
throw one pretty much straight into the dirt. Everybody's gonna
be like, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Check the betting patterns, check the betting pattern.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
The hell was that? Or you miss, you know, you
airball a free throw?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
So, speaking of news stories that we've touched on the
Next Hour, I would like to do this and I'm
looking forward to it. If you don't get Next Hour,
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Speaker 1 (19:48):
But mentioned it last week.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
The Sierra Club, the time honored environmental group, has now
torn itself apart because it invited woke you young people
into its ranks of leadership, and they've decided that the
Sierra Club is not in should not be advocating for
the environment. It should be advocating for the permanent Omnik
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cause there is no environmental justice without Palestinian justice. What meanwhile,
the guys who in charge of spotted owls, like, wait,
what anyway, that story is unintentionally hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That was your impersonation of the guy in charge of
spotted owls.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Whatever, he's working the spotted owl desk. How do we
have on spotted owls? Macgee? Oh good, he's good.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
He's sure anyway, So that next hour, do you remember
the Matt Gates scandal alleged seventeen year old lover transporting
girls across state lines for moral purposes.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Blah blah blah. Man does it?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
He didn't look like the kind of guy that would
do that. Oh wait, he looks exactly like the kind
of guy who would do that. Yeah, he really really does.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well, this gal who is now let's see, it's eight
years down the lines and she's now twenty five years old.
Is talking about how it all happened, to give a
better idea of how this sort of thing happens as
a cautionary tale to other young women or something.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But here are the key, key aspects of it.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
And look, you know there's some gray area here which
we'll get into.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Katie would love to hear your point of view. Well,
I'll just read you this.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
She was seventeen and a high school junior in Florida,
June is working at McDonald's, and she was living in
and out of a homeless shelter. One of her parents
was homeless. When she and her sibling or two would
spend time with that parent, it would be at a
homeless shelter. She needed braces to fix her teeth, so
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she falsely advertised herself is.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Eighteen years old.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
She lied about her age, signed the papers for a
while site that matches men looking for a companionship with
young women looking to make money.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
There used to be a name for that. I guess
we've abandoned it. Anyway.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
That all started the chain of events that ended with
Matt Gates having to leave the House representatives and being
investigated but never charged.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Hey, Matt Gates way to have sex allegedly with a
homeless high school junior.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Yeah well he Well we'll get to his statements on that.
But remember Gates was Trump's first choice to serve it
as attorney general. Right, good lord, I've forgotten that anyway,
public fear blah blah blah. So there's been little attention
given to the story of the girl, how she came
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to be exploited, and how she's coped with what happened
to her and her the ensuing political scandal. She get
her teeth fixed that they've not made that clear here,
don't have a picture of her smiling. So yeah, exploit
it definitely, because a child or a minor cannot consent
to sexual relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But a seventeen year old girl who says.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Hey, wait a minute, one of these sugar daddy sites
that's the answer, is not an innocent babe in the woods. No,
it's unfortunate that this sort of thing happens. I'm not
blaming her or anything. There's just this fair amount of
gray area going on.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
No, she probably has had a lifestyle that forced her to.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Understand fast understand the adult world a lot faster than
you should.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, yeah, so, says her attorney. She said that her
client believed the public should have a fuller understanding of
how how she had been victimized.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Quote.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
The vulnerable circumstances most crime victims face are rarely known
to the public. Although my client's circumstances revealed outside of
her control, I hope it helps with the public to
see a fuller and more human picture of her than
the press is reported on to date. I don't know
if she has a book coming out or what. But
power imbalances can be aged, but they can also be financial.
My client had little economic security, which allowed for financial
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leverage over her. That is a loaded couple of sentences. Yeah,
she needed money, so she did stuff for money.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Or you dated a guy because he's rich. I mean,
where does he cross the line? Come on now, yeah,
power imbalances.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I had little economic security and really needed money too,
so I worked crappy jobs, show sextup at old lady.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, it's funny that a seventeen year old can consent
to working a crappy job but not sex.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm not saying that's wrong.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I'm just saying it's an interesting I mean, you weren't
some crappy, fairly dangerous jobs teenager and young adult.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Anyway, Oh, let's see a sex's experts, trafficking experts. There's
a spectrum of ways girls and women are exploited, as
we've been discussing. So in response to questions, mister Gates
said in the text message on Thursday, I never had
sex with this person. This person threatened me with a
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lawsuit if I didn't pay her two point three million dollars.
She never sued me because her story is fiction.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Two point three million. That's a swinging for the fences.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
So that's what Gates has to say, according to her lawyer,
junior year of high school, she turned seventeen, parents were divorced,
one in a shelter. To make extra money, she worked
at McDonald's, but began looking for other ways to make
money and turned to a website that advertised itself as
a sugar dating website that primarily connected older men and
(25:47):
young women seeking quote mutually beneficial relationships. According to the
House Ethics Committee, again, we used to have words for
these these things, not nearly as there weren't as many
words anyway.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The world's oldest profession has gotten a ghost writer that
has come up with some complicated paragraphs to explain.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, again, fully cognizant. This girl was seventeen through
the website. In April of her junior year in high school,
she met Joel Greenberg, a local Florida tax collector who
is becoming a friend an ally of mister Gates. According
to court documents, we remember Greenberg's name. Mister Greenberg first
invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.
According to court documents. I don't know what they knew,
(26:32):
but and this is not a defense. This is not
a defense in a court of law. I happen to
know this, not through personal experience. I asked a friend.
Just because she claimed verified swore signed that she was eighteen,
that's not a defense for hooking up with seventeen year old.
But Greenberg at that point believed her to be eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So it's your responsibility to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I mean, this is all tawdry all the way aroud,
But you're supposed to what go with her to the
courthouse and see her birth certificate or the legal.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Theory is and I'm not up to it, like super recently.
But is you got to do whatever it takes. You
can't sex up a minor, even if said minor claims
to be a major.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Okay, so let's take it out of the realm of.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Legality since that seems to be the law, and into
the like public opinion world. I mean, this is all
incredibly tawdry. You shouldn't be having sex with somebody that young.
I mean, even if you think they're eighteen, that young
because she needs money and you got money.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, that's just gross all the way around.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But if you know the company says she's eighteen, and
she says she's eighteen, how angry are we at Matt
Gates about the age part of it?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah, that's the problem. So anyway, here's how I fell
Paul just ugly though. Oh it's tawdry. Yeah. Greenberg first
invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.
At that meeting, they did not have sex, but Greenberg
paid her four hundred dollars for being around around that time,
mister Greenberg. And it's funny, this is I'm quoting the
New York Times now and there's a lot of this
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sort of herbage. Around that time, mister Greenberg gave her
ecstasy and told her to try it at home.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Again.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
She's seventeen. He gave her ecstasy, she went ahead and
took it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Shortly thereafter, mister Greenberg contacted the girl again. They ultimately
met up at a hotel where they had sex, according
to court documents. For that she's paid another four hundred dollars.
According to the court, in the months that followed, mister
Greenberg using his personal credit card and won for the
local tax collecting office he was in charge of. Scumbags
are gonna scumbag? I mean, he's hooking up with this
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young woman leaves to be eighteen, and it's not good enough.
He starts using his work credit card anyway for the house.
Had sex with her seven times for money before she
turned eighteen, according to the documents. Often during those encounters
he would give her ecstasy, and he would often pay
the girl and other women additional money for taking the
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drug during sex.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And where's gates come into this.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
On July fifteen, twenty seventeen, Greenberg asked the girl and
others to attend a party at the home of Chris Dorworth,
former Republican member of the Florida House Reps who at
the time worked as a lobbyist run by a major
Trump fundraiser. Court documents described the party as involving alcohol, cocaine,
middle aged men, and young attractive females. Mister Gates, then
thirty five years old, attended the party with a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
This is also gross though, I mean because.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Once you're older, and most people listening to this show
you're you know, least thirties and forties, if not older.
Once you get into your forties and fifties, an.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Eighteen year old looks like a freaking kid, like a child.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
What are you doing? You going to a party and
shows up? People show up with girls. I would think,
what to get a junior high bus to come by?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What the hell is you know?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
You know, I agree with you, but I've got to
disagree because the other thing you hear a lot from
guys who are forty plus or I don't know if
she's eighteen or twenty six, I.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Can't tell anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, generally that.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Accompanied with I stay away from that whole group because
I can't tell the I mean, in my mind, that's why.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You're not invited to these swinging Florida parties.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm not sticking the mind.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I'm not invited to these parties because a twenty six
year old and a seventeen year old are the same
thing to me.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
They're children. What am I doing around these children?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So here's Gates at the party with his girlfriend. At
the party, the girl, who was seventeen, later testified both
cocaine and ecstasy were offered to her. She took the
ecstasy and drank. According to court papers, she testifies that
she danced naked in front of mister Dorworth and swam naked.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
In his pool.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Got A High Ethics committee heard testimony that the girl
twice had sex with mister Gates that evening, and court
documents quote her as having testified that she had sex
with him once on a pool table.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or air hockey table. Only air hockey table will keep
you a quick witch, is it? They're very different tables.
One felt one you know air hockey issue. Well.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
She testified that mister Dorworth saw mister Gates have sex
with her on the game table, then laughed about it
with other partygoers. Doorworth I meanwhile, I was claimed he
was not home at the time, an assertion undercut by
phone records that became part of the litigation.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
In this case, an.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Air hockey table would be incredibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
The girl later told congressional investigators she saw mister Gates
use cocaine twice that night. For having sex with him twice,
the girl was paid four hundred dollars, according testimony to
the Ethics Committee.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, I think worse would be a foosball table.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
That'd be almost impossible, that would be intensely painful. That fall,
the girl moved to live with family members in Texas.
She did not complete her senior year in high school.
She continue to work from minimum wage in the food
services industry. Ultimately, between the money she made from her
interactions with men and in the food service industry, Jack,
to your question, she was able to save up enough
(32:11):
to get braces.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Her teeth are straight now.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Happy ending sort of, maybe she can become the manager
at McDonald's. At this point, mister Greenberg has pleaded guilty
to sex trafficking a minor for having sex with the
girl in exchange for money, who sentenced to a decade
in prison. Department declined to charge mister Gates to me,
we should have better public officials.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You know that it's not really that important whether she's
gonna be eighteen and six months or she's seventeen. Now,
she's way too young for you to be partying with
by far. Even if she's twenty one, you're forty five
or whatever you are.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Get the hell out of there, you weirdo.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
And he was there with his girlfriend too, Gates. Was
she must have been really for rest of minded, open minded? Yes,
or it was off chatting with the girls or something.
I don't know, but yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Nice lifestyle, almost Attorney General Gates.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh yeah, okay, more all the ways.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
There a couple of really important, impactful, well done stories
in sixty minutes last night. Then their third story, which
was about chess boxing.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
When you first heard about it, did you know that
it was a real sport. No?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
No, I thought it was like a Saturday night Life skit.
It was so absurd to me that someone would combine
these two things.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
I have to admit, when I first heard about it,
I laughed, it sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's the best thing about the sport.
Speaker 11 (33:45):
Chess is battle on a board and boxing is chess
with my body. So when someone combined those two. I
was like, Yes, here's my yin and yang. Here's what
I was made for.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
What are you the only person in the world that's
ever wanted to do this or thought it was a
good idea. Put together a team, here's how it win.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Matt Thomas is a chess boxing evangelist let me get
to the later round and.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Coach of Team USA.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
He's built a squad of fifteen American contenders from all
walks of life. There's the lawyer, a Cornell math majors,
a military veteran who in twenty eighteen, Thomas became the
first American to compete for a world chess boxing title.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
And you won and I won, which the person who
was the most surprised about that was me.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
So did you win by hook or by rook?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Good question? It was actually by rook?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Putting together a team, you think, here's a guy who's
left hook could stop a mac truck, but he can't
castle for crap. But then you got another guy who's
got an eight hundred score on chess dot Com but
a glass jaw.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You gotta train
them up.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Jack, So you you box a few rounds, then you
immediately strip off your gear and sit down and play speed.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Of course you do. It's chess bond.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yes, as they mentioned, yes.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
You're the world champion. Was there anybody else doing it
up until five minutes ago?
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I appreciate the striking contrast between slugging each other in
the head and then playing a cerebral game.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But what's next? Flute javelin or something?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
You hurl the javelin then play a flute concerto or what? Well?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Right, I might be the world champion at tree climbing Jenga,
but don't I know who am I going.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
To compete against? Somebody got invent a league? I guess.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
All right, Nice job sixty minutes for a little cookie
at the end of the meal, after two important stories,
one of which we'll talk a little more about an
hour four.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's the whole.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
AI chat bots going off on their own doing crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah yeah, And also the Sierra Club going on off
on its own and doing crazy stuff and tearing itself
apart as an organization.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Why the woke mind virus? Oh you know, we haven't
done yet.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Ah, boy, what do we got coming up?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joe coming up?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
The young lady at the center of the mac Gates allegations.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What actually happened in this story?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
No, he ends up looking great or really glaciousness Florida style.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So my son was on a Boy Scout hiking trip
over the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since
he joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed
with that organization in particular. I'm paying particularly I'm excited
about having an organization out there that's helping young men
(01:26):
the way it clearly is.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Because man, the.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Whole young men landscape thing, for all kinds of different
reasons that we've been talking about for years is a
little scary.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The fact that being a boy is considered a.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Disease in school, and the concept of toxic masculinity when
you're just being a dude and just all those different
things really weird me out.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Well, especially if you've had the misfortune to be born white,
then you're seen as the center of all evil, as
taught in your local elementary school and on up through
the chain of mis edge.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So Friday night on his HBO show, Bill Maher had
this podcaster ny You, professor Matt Galloway on, and they
started talking about men in America and some of the
stats around it that are horrifying.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
The number of men I didn't realize this is a
percentage who live at home, still live with their parents.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What are those numbers.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
It's about thirty percent of men under the age of
twenty five, one and three are still at home. One
in five are still at home by the age of thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
One in five at home at age thirty. Yipes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both?
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against
this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now
ten companies whose primary mission is to get you as
glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute.
They can keep you on a screen longer as billions
of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex
is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for dopo.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So what we've.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an economy which is
dependent on our ability to evolve a new species of asocial,
asexual males. And what you have is big tech, who
is not our friend, is trying to sequester people, especially
young people, especially young men, from the most important thing
in our life, and that is relationships.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I've been trying to say that for years, but not
as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of
our time are trying to addict us to screens for
their own nefarious purposes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well i'd never heard that before, though.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I didn't know, because we all know about the dopamine
hits that we get from ding a new text, a
new headline, a new whatever. I didn't know that young
men were more susceptible to the dopamine hit than the
rest of us.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking, that's what thrill seeking is.
And whether it's online thrills. You know, I'm not sure
I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement as I was,
And I wish I had the quote in front of me.
But it was one of your shooting people in war
video games and it was dead serious. Be a hero,
(04:02):
a real hero, Call of Warfare three or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's like, that's the opposite of what you freaking are.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
You're living at your parents' home just play acting being
a hero.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning
of this pre internet if you just started out, we're
gonna develop a product that'll make young men care about
this product more than they care.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
About getting laid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I'd just said that's impossible. There's nothing that matters more
to young men than And it turns out you came
up with something.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy
that does anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
He goes on, make sure you guys do not miss
this stat So here we go.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Okay, forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four
have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three
percent of men under age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And if you think about, stop it, because I want
you to start that again so I can pay closer attention.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Holy crap, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have
never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent
of men under the age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most
rewarding things in your life, I mean the things that
really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all
have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech,
(05:32):
the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is
trying to convince young men that they can have a
reasonable facsimile of life online. Why go through the pecking
order of trying to establish friendships? And you got readed
in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate the
corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks on
Robinhood or coinbase.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And why would you go through the effort.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing
a romantic relationship when you have porn. I believe, slowly
but surely we're going to start to see fewer and
fewer young men out in the wild because they're going
to decide to sequester her. And if I could say
anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression
you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other
(06:12):
mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that
lays outside of that room for you.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat
I'm glad he brought up the p word porn.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up?
He did.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship,
completely unheard of when I was a young man, Just
absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I
would have ever run into a guy my age who
wasn't pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year
olds had never asked a.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Woman to go do anything. That's stunning. Good lord.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
What's this Galloway's first name, Mike Scott. That is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah,
I'm gonna follow him, and I like the cut of
his GiB. He's talking, he's spitting truth, as they say, Wow,
this is.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
How many times have you said this?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
If this was a different species than Homo sapiens, the
scientific world would be on fire talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right, half of half of all alligators no longer want
to be in swamps.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Right, man, they're walking wrong along on hind legs and
trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is an
astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors in
a species happens to be humans.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe maybe the flip side of looking at it is
the only thing that was getting us out of the
house was this needing a little and if we wanted
it so much, we freaking threw on a tie.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
We left our home, We went.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Out there, got an edgemate, We did all these different
things just because we needed it so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And once you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Eliminate that need, ay, I'm just gonna state in my parents'
basement and sweats for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's sad, though it's of.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Course it's sad, And obviously he's right.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
At the end of the road, you'll be much sadder
than you would be with the pursuit and failure and
all the ups and downs of life. But I don't
think that your argument's going to work on young people.
Just to see your time horizon when you're young just
doesn't work well.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men,
although let's not let the crazy, angry militancy of young
women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well.
That's but I've got a couple of teenage boys, different syndrome,
(08:51):
but still a significant one.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But like my high schooler, we spent a lot of
time together over the weekend because his brother was on
a camping trip. And he's gonna be sixteen here in
a couple of months, and he has the same attitude
every sixteen year old has where I had.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He talks about when I talk.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
About you when you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't
even I don't even care if I'm alive when I'm thirty.
Who cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so
far off when you're sixteen, you can't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Even imagine it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
You know, we'll be flying around in cars and all
kinds of stuff by the time you're thirty. So so
pitching to young people the idea, I mean, I do this,
I've done this with my own kids, and it seems
to be working so far. But pitching the you know
by the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad if.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You do this.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I hope that works. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies that it
had been eleven years since we played our last show
as a rock and roll band, and I thought, good lord,
eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of high school,
all of college in the first three years of your career,
which is enormously impactful and is forever in youthful years,
(09:56):
you know, to your point when I'm thirty telling us
sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty,
you're going to be unhappy with your choices.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm done work. There will soon be.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular. It
will be very, very popular. It might be a smallish
minority of humans, but it will be an anti tech
religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I think
it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know.
(10:35):
I am prepared to be your leader. I will not
be sexing up your younger women. At least at first
that appeas to you, because every one of these like
insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing
up the young women.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I just figured I've got which the Matt Gates
thing coming up later?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
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Speaker 4 (12:00):
Point that half of young adult men have never asked
a girl out, and two thirds of men under thirty
are not looking for a relationship at all.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Imagine being a young woman.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Good lord, you're a twenty six year old getting your
act together, thinking of having a family someday. Woman, and
two thirds of dudes out there are not even thinking
about looking for a relationship. Holy crap, no wonder, you're
holding hands with a girl. You got no choice?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
And this wow, And this came out of nowhere. Okay,
this came on so quickly societally. But there's so much
money being made. It's propping up the stock market, for instance,
tech in general, this sort of thing is not being
said nearly as much as it should be.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Man, Michael, you promised our minds would be blown by
those stats. You were successful. That is some troubling, troubling stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You did not lie.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Why do we hear about Matt Gates's underage girlfriend or not?
I think that was troubling, among other things.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
On the way, stay here, Armstrong Hengetti.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
New escalations in the Caribbean, with the Navy's largest aircraft carrier,
the USS Gerald R Ford, now arriving in the Caribbean
Sea off the coast of Venezuela, part of President Trump's
pressure campaign against the Majuro regime there.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It comes just.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
After the Trump administrations as it launched another military strike
on a boat allegedly carrying drugs in the region.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
All of which is kind of pushed this into the background.
Twenty two Michael.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyaho vowing to oppose any attempt
to establish a Palestinian state. The UN Security Council is
expected to vote on an American plan authorizing an international
military force in Gaza. Some say the proposal opens the
door for Palestinian independence. Netanyahu has long maintained that a
Palestinian state rewards hamas Russia, China and some Arab countries
(13:59):
opposed US plant.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh yeah, I've forgotten all about that story.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah, and there's plenty we could say on that, But
all of that, in turn has obscured the Great War
between Ukraine and Russia, the Russian invasion, that sort of thing. Remember,
Europe more threatened than it's been since World War Two, etcetera, etcetera. Anyway,
a number of stories going on on that front. We
thought we'd at least touch on. Found this interesting. Europe
(14:23):
is in a gray zone between war and peace. European
leaders suspect Russias behind an intensifying barrage of drone incursions, sabotage,
cyber attacks, and disinformation campaigns. Germany, for instance, has experienced
a low four digit number of drone incursions this year.
(14:44):
Did you hear me, friends, the low four digits over
a thousand, averaging at least three daily over military defense
and critical infrastructure. Wow, I suspect it's Russians.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, you're getting thousand of Russian drones coming into Germany.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
At least yeah, a thousand. Yeah, drones are a part
and of intensifying barrage. European leaders suspect Russia's directing at
the continent over its support for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Uh, said one leader.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh, there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It is Frederick Mertz of Germany.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
We are not at war with Russia, but we are
no longer at peace either.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Geez, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I know nobody's talking about it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Here's a former senior official at Central Intelligence Agency quote.
Our adversaries have calculated that they can hide behind ambiguity
and deniability to violate sovereignty, ignore national laws and international norms,
and engage in activities such as political coercion, sabotage, and
even assassinations without triggering an armed response. You've been talking
(15:49):
about this for years. At what point do we view
a cyber attack as an attack? You attacked us, It's
going to cost US five million dollars to rebuild. What
do you care if it's bricks or computer systems?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And if you set off a bomb that did a
tenth of the damage, that would be seen as an
act of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
War, right.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But a cyber attack you just said, well, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Here's another headline from a few days ago. What the
looming fall of the Ukrainian city says about Putin's war.
The longest short of it is it is grinding on it.
Putin has zero interest in any peace officer offer. Rather,
he's inscripting more and more people, more and more younger people,
and convicts and everything. Has no desire to stop the killing.
(16:32):
He feels like he's winning. Speaking of which, how's this
headline for you? Putin is turning eighth grade classrooms into
army army training grounds. A vast militarization of Russia's education
system is gathering pace in classrooms where active soldiers trained
students to handle weapons, including eighth graders.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Well, that leads me to believe he's willing to feed many,
many more years worth of young men into the meat grinder.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Russian mothers have noticed. How about this?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
A class of Russian first graders stood to attention this
fall as a soldier who had served on the front
line in Ukraine inspected their military uniforms. Check your dress,
order the servicemen, Your buckles should face left, not right,
look straight ahead. The pupils, aged six to eight, adjusted collars,
swiveled belts, and reposition the name badges on their chests.
(17:27):
Then they settled beyond their desks for an hour of
Russian language study.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Not Hitler youth, but Putin youth, all right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Meanwhile, we're teaching our kids to hate their country and
to color in the genderbred person. Another divide. Another divide
in Europe is over the nord Stream investigation. It looks
like Ukrainian agents did it with some helps some other people,
and the Germans who are just jackasses and want the
(17:55):
Russian gas are investigating it thoroughly and like bringing one
of arrest.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
People, and others like the polls are saying, what the
hell are you doing Germany?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Why are you doing this on Russia's behalf stop it.
It's been a real divide.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, she seems like we should be paying attention to
these stories, but she got the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's gonna keep us busy for a while.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Ug Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
New details as the NBA expands its investigation into the
gambling schemes still rocking professional basketball investigators hired by the
league now asking multiple teams for access to cell phones
and phone records. The law firm hired by the NBA
is expected to seek documents from at least ten Lakers employees.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So the NBA going around saying, you got to give
me your phone. You got a guy here's he going
to go through it?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Is that in their contracts or something or voluntary?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't know, but there's a possibility that in baseball
and basketball this is gonna blow up into a big thing.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was saying to friends over the weekend.
My sense of it is we're gonna start hearing about
this sort of thing on a weekly basis. It's gonna
be like rainstorms hit Kentucky over the weekend. I mean,
it's just gonna be a routine part of our lives.
How About if you're the latest, you know, area of
sports to come under scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
How about if you're.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
A pitcher and you accidentally, you know, you're legitimately just
throw one pretty much straight into the dirt. Everybody's gonna
be like, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Check the betting patterns, check the betting pattern.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
The hell was that? Or you miss, you know, you
airball a free throw?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
So, speaking of news stories that we've touched on the
Next Hour, I would like to do this and I'm
looking forward to it. If you don't get Next Hour,
by the way, or you got to go somewhere, just
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Speaker 1 (19:48):
But mentioned it last week.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
The Sierra Club, the time honored environmental group, has now
torn itself apart because it invited woke you young people
into its ranks of leadership, and they've decided that the
Sierra Club is not in should not be advocating for
the environment. It should be advocating for the permanent Omnik
(20:10):
cause there is no environmental justice without Palestinian justice. What meanwhile,
the guys who in charge of spotted owls, like, wait,
what anyway, that story is unintentionally hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That was your impersonation of the guy in charge of
spotted owls.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Whatever, he's working the spotted owl desk. How do we
have on spotted owls? Macgee? Oh good, he's good.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
He's sure anyway, So that next hour, do you remember
the Matt Gates scandal alleged seventeen year old lover transporting
girls across state lines for moral purposes.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Blah blah blah. Man does it?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
He didn't look like the kind of guy that would
do that. Oh wait, he looks exactly like the kind
of guy who would do that. Yeah, he really really does.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well, this gal who is now let's see, it's eight
years down the lines and she's now twenty five years old.
Is talking about how it all happened, to give a
better idea of how this sort of thing happens as
a cautionary tale to other young women or something.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But here are the key, key aspects of it.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
And look, you know there's some gray area here which
we'll get into.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Katie would love to hear your point of view. Well,
I'll just read you this.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
She was seventeen and a high school junior in Florida,
June is working at McDonald's, and she was living in
and out of a homeless shelter. One of her parents
was homeless. When she and her sibling or two would
spend time with that parent, it would be at a
homeless shelter. She needed braces to fix her teeth, so
(21:53):
she falsely advertised herself is.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Eighteen years old.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
She lied about her age, signed the papers for a
while site that matches men looking for a companionship with
young women looking to make money.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
There used to be a name for that. I guess
we've abandoned it. Anyway.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
That all started the chain of events that ended with
Matt Gates having to leave the House representatives and being
investigated but never charged.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Hey, Matt Gates way to have sex allegedly with a
homeless high school junior.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Yeah well he Well we'll get to his statements on that.
But remember Gates was Trump's first choice to serve it
as attorney general. Right, good lord, I've forgotten that anyway,
public fear blah blah blah. So there's been little attention
given to the story of the girl, how she came
(22:48):
to be exploited, and how she's coped with what happened
to her and her the ensuing political scandal. She get
her teeth fixed that they've not made that clear here,
don't have a picture of her smiling. So yeah, exploit
it definitely, because a child or a minor cannot consent
to sexual relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But a seventeen year old girl who says.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Hey, wait a minute, one of these sugar daddy sites
that's the answer, is not an innocent babe in the woods. No,
it's unfortunate that this sort of thing happens. I'm not
blaming her or anything. There's just this fair amount of
gray area going on.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
No, she probably has had a lifestyle that forced her to.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Understand fast understand the adult world a lot faster than
you should.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, yeah, so, says her attorney. She said that her
client believed the public should have a fuller understanding of
how how she had been victimized.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Quote.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
The vulnerable circumstances most crime victims face are rarely known
to the public. Although my client's circumstances revealed outside of
her control, I hope it helps with the public to
see a fuller and more human picture of her than
the press is reported on to date. I don't know
if she has a book coming out or what. But
power imbalances can be aged, but they can also be financial.
My client had little economic security, which allowed for financial
(24:12):
leverage over her. That is a loaded couple of sentences. Yeah,
she needed money, so she did stuff for money.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Or you dated a guy because he's rich. I mean,
where does he cross the line? Come on now, yeah,
power imbalances.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I had little economic security and really needed money too,
so I worked crappy jobs, show sextup at old lady.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, it's funny that a seventeen year old can consent
to working a crappy job but not sex.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm not saying that's wrong.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I'm just saying it's an interesting I mean, you weren't
some crappy, fairly dangerous jobs teenager and young adult.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Anyway, Oh, let's see a sex's experts, trafficking experts. There's
a spectrum of ways girls and women are exploited, as
we've been discussing. So in response to questions, mister Gates
said in the text message on Thursday, I never had
sex with this person. This person threatened me with a
(25:17):
lawsuit if I didn't pay her two point three million dollars.
She never sued me because her story is fiction.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Two point three million. That's a swinging for the fences.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
So that's what Gates has to say, according to her lawyer,
junior year of high school, she turned seventeen, parents were divorced,
one in a shelter. To make extra money, she worked
at McDonald's, but began looking for other ways to make
money and turned to a website that advertised itself as
a sugar dating website that primarily connected older men and
(25:47):
young women seeking quote mutually beneficial relationships. According to the
House Ethics Committee, again, we used to have words for
these these things, not nearly as there weren't as many
words anyway.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The world's oldest profession has gotten a ghost writer that
has come up with some complicated paragraphs to explain.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, again, fully cognizant. This girl was seventeen through
the website. In April of her junior year in high school,
she met Joel Greenberg, a local Florida tax collector who
is becoming a friend an ally of mister Gates. According
to court documents, we remember Greenberg's name. Mister Greenberg first
invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.
According to court documents. I don't know what they knew,
(26:32):
but and this is not a defense. This is not
a defense in a court of law. I happen to
know this, not through personal experience. I asked a friend.
Just because she claimed verified swore signed that she was eighteen,
that's not a defense for hooking up with seventeen year old.
But Greenberg at that point believed her to be eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So it's your responsibility to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I mean, this is all tawdry all the way aroud,
But you're supposed to what go with her to the
courthouse and see her birth certificate or the legal.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Theory is and I'm not up to it, like super recently.
But is you got to do whatever it takes. You
can't sex up a minor, even if said minor claims
to be a major.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Okay, so let's take it out of the realm of.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Legality since that seems to be the law, and into
the like public opinion world. I mean, this is all
incredibly tawdry. You shouldn't be having sex with somebody that young.
I mean, even if you think they're eighteen, that young
because she needs money and you got money.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, that's just gross all the way around.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But if you know the company says she's eighteen, and
she says she's eighteen, how angry are we at Matt
Gates about the age part of it?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah, that's the problem. So anyway, here's how I fell
Paul just ugly though. Oh it's tawdry. Yeah. Greenberg first
invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.
At that meeting, they did not have sex, but Greenberg
paid her four hundred dollars for being around around that time,
mister Greenberg. And it's funny, this is I'm quoting the
New York Times now and there's a lot of this
(28:20):
sort of herbage. Around that time, mister Greenberg gave her
ecstasy and told her to try it at home.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Again.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
She's seventeen. He gave her ecstasy, she went ahead and
took it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Shortly thereafter, mister Greenberg contacted the girl again. They ultimately
met up at a hotel where they had sex, according
to court documents. For that she's paid another four hundred dollars.
According to the court, in the months that followed, mister
Greenberg using his personal credit card and won for the
local tax collecting office he was in charge of. Scumbags
are gonna scumbag? I mean, he's hooking up with this
(28:58):
young woman leaves to be eighteen, and it's not good enough.
He starts using his work credit card anyway for the house.
Had sex with her seven times for money before she
turned eighteen, according to the documents. Often during those encounters
he would give her ecstasy, and he would often pay
the girl and other women additional money for taking the
(29:19):
drug during sex.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And where's gates come into this.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
On July fifteen, twenty seventeen, Greenberg asked the girl and
others to attend a party at the home of Chris Dorworth,
former Republican member of the Florida House Reps who at
the time worked as a lobbyist run by a major
Trump fundraiser. Court documents described the party as involving alcohol, cocaine,
middle aged men, and young attractive females. Mister Gates, then
thirty five years old, attended the party with a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
This is also gross though, I mean because.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Once you're older, and most people listening to this show
you're you know, least thirties and forties, if not older.
Once you get into your forties and fifties, an.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Eighteen year old looks like a freaking kid, like a child.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
What are you doing? You going to a party and
shows up? People show up with girls. I would think,
what to get a junior high bus to come by?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
What the hell is you know?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
You know, I agree with you, but I've got to
disagree because the other thing you hear a lot from
guys who are forty plus or I don't know if
she's eighteen or twenty six, I.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Can't tell anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, generally that.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Accompanied with I stay away from that whole group because
I can't tell the I mean, in my mind, that's why.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You're not invited to these swinging Florida parties.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm not sticking the mind.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I'm not invited to these parties because a twenty six
year old and a seventeen year old are the same
thing to me.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
They're children. What am I doing around these children?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So here's Gates at the party with his girlfriend. At
the party, the girl, who was seventeen, later testified both
cocaine and ecstasy were offered to her. She took the
ecstasy and drank. According to court papers, she testifies that
she danced naked in front of mister Dorworth and swam naked.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
In his pool.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Got A High Ethics committee heard testimony that the girl
twice had sex with mister Gates that evening, and court
documents quote her as having testified that she had sex
with him once on a pool table.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or air hockey table. Only air hockey table will keep
you a quick witch, is it? They're very different tables.
One felt one you know air hockey issue. Well.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
She testified that mister Dorworth saw mister Gates have sex
with her on the game table, then laughed about it
with other partygoers. Doorworth I meanwhile, I was claimed he
was not home at the time, an assertion undercut by
phone records that became part of the litigation.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
In this case, an.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Air hockey table would be incredibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
The girl later told congressional investigators she saw mister Gates
use cocaine twice that night. For having sex with him twice,
the girl was paid four hundred dollars, according testimony to
the Ethics Committee.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, I think worse would be a foosball table.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
That'd be almost impossible, that would be intensely painful. That fall,
the girl moved to live with family members in Texas.
She did not complete her senior year in high school.
She continue to work from minimum wage in the food
services industry. Ultimately, between the money she made from her
interactions with men and in the food service industry, Jack,
to your question, she was able to save up enough
(32:11):
to get braces.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Her teeth are straight now.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Happy ending sort of, maybe she can become the manager
at McDonald's. At this point, mister Greenberg has pleaded guilty
to sex trafficking a minor for having sex with the
girl in exchange for money, who sentenced to a decade
in prison. Department declined to charge mister Gates to me,
we should have better public officials.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You know that it's not really that important whether she's
gonna be eighteen and six months or she's seventeen. Now,
she's way too young for you to be partying with
by far. Even if she's twenty one, you're forty five
or whatever you are.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Get the hell out of there, you weirdo.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
And he was there with his girlfriend too, Gates. Was
she must have been really for rest of minded, open minded? Yes,
or it was off chatting with the girls or something.
I don't know, but yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Nice lifestyle, almost Attorney General Gates.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh yeah, okay, more all the ways.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
There a couple of really important, impactful, well done stories
in sixty minutes last night. Then their third story, which
was about chess boxing.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
When you first heard about it, did you know that
it was a real sport. No?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
No, I thought it was like a Saturday night Life skit.
It was so absurd to me that someone would combine
these two things.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
I have to admit, when I first heard about it,
I laughed, it sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's the best thing about the sport.
Speaker 11 (33:45):
Chess is battle on a board and boxing is chess
with my body. So when someone combined those two. I
was like, Yes, here's my yin and yang. Here's what
I was made for.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
What are you the only person in the world that's
ever wanted to do this or thought it was a
good idea. Put together a team, here's how it win.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Matt Thomas is a chess boxing evangelist let me get
to the later round and.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Coach of Team USA.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
He's built a squad of fifteen American contenders from all
walks of life. There's the lawyer, a Cornell math majors,
a military veteran who in twenty eighteen, Thomas became the
first American to compete for a world chess boxing title.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
And you won and I won, which the person who
was the most surprised about that was me.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
So did you win by hook or by rook?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Good question? It was actually by rook?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Putting together a team, you think, here's a guy who's
left hook could stop a mac truck, but he can't
castle for crap. But then you got another guy who's
got an eight hundred score on chess dot Com but
a glass jaw.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You gotta train
them up.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Jack, So you you box a few rounds, then you
immediately strip off your gear and sit down and play speed.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Of course you do. It's chess bond.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yes, as they mentioned, yes.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
You're the world champion. Was there anybody else doing it
up until five minutes ago?
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I appreciate the striking contrast between slugging each other in
the head and then playing a cerebral game.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But what's next? Flute javelin or something?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
You hurl the javelin then play a flute concerto or what? Well?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Right, I might be the world champion at tree climbing Jenga,
but don't I know who am I going.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
To compete against? Somebody got invent a league? I guess.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
All right, Nice job sixty minutes for a little cookie
at the end of the meal, after two important stories,
one of which we'll talk a little more about an
hour four.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's the whole.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
AI chat bots going off on their own doing crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah yeah, And also the Sierra Club going on off
on its own and doing crazy stuff and tearing itself
apart as an organization.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Why the woke mind virus? Oh you know, we haven't
done yet.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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