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June 11, 2024 14 mins

First, Katie shares a very important designation.  Next, we listen to author and columnist Douglas Murray's recent speech on Hamas and antisemitism.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A brilliant man on a serious topic.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's one more thing.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
I'm one more thing.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Serious.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh, a brilliant man, Douglas Murray on a serious topic.
Anybody have anything that you want to throw in before
we get down to business. I got a fair amount
of audio here. Why don't we just get to all right?
What are you laughing at?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Katie?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I have something that if I say it, you're you specifically, Joe,
You'll just be like, get off the show?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh boy is it? Why did it leap to mind?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I feel like I need to know this.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I got a random text from a friend yesterday informing
me that a group of young males is known as
a scrot.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Like I heard murder of crows, So you'd say, a
scrope just came through here.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
And yeah, I told my son go be safe when
he went to go hang out with his scroat.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
And we really do have to get started on the
brilliance of Douglas Murray and anti Semitism. But I have
read those very amusing lists of a group of crows
as a murder or a group of hens or whatever. That's
a clutch, that's a whatever, and a lot of them
are really weird, and who decided in the beginning that

(01:30):
everything just wouldn't be a herd if you say a
herd of crows or a flock or a flock of
cow of cattle. Why do we need different words?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't know, but I like a scroat of young
men coming through the mall.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
That is, that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's my contribution.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Guys, I wish you had not brought it up. You're right,
I need to just listen to you when you warn
us so. On a much more serious topic, Douglas Murray
gave a speech in Paris recently talking about Israel and
Hamas and anti Semitism. We have divided a substantial part
of it into four cuts. We can discuss in between

(02:08):
as desired. Michael were starting with ninety there. We should
have gotten ready for that, and we'll go from there.
Hit it.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I've spent most of the months since the seventh October
in Israel and Gaza and have seen as much of
the conflicts I think it's possible for non combatant to see.
I've been I went to all of the massacre sites
when they were still fresh. I have spent a lot
of time with the survivors, the families of the hostages.

(02:35):
I've been in the morgues of Tel Aviv where they're
still trying to identify the dead. One young man's body
was only identified yesterday. And think what it takes, what
you have to do to a man to make his
body unidentifiable for eight months.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
This is more than just a recitation of horror. He's
working toward greater points. But roll on, Michael.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
The things that struck me most after the seventh October
was I was at one of the reunions of the
Nova party, and these are all young people who'd seen
their friends raped and murdered in front of them. One
young man, a survivor, showed me footage from his phone,

(03:20):
and it included footage of a young friend of his
who didn't make it into his car and was lynched
by a mob immediately afterwards. This young man, this survivor,
said to me, what would you do if this happened
in your country? And I thought, I didn't say, but

(03:42):
it has. It has happened in my society, in my Europe,
in my West. The scale may be different, but the
terrorists are the same. It happened here in Paris at
the butterclar It happened in Manchester, twenty two young girls
were blown up for the crime of going to a

(04:03):
pop concert. Happened at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. The
scale was different, but the perpetrators are all the same.
They're always the same people who, whether in Toulouse or
Porte de Vasnes, Copenhagen or Mumbai, can never restrain themselves
from targeting the Jews. Yet the sympathy of so many

(04:28):
people here in New Europe since the seventh has not
been on the side of the victims, but on the
side of the perpetrators. Too many people mistake the victim
for the oppressor, the underdog for the overdog, and those
who fight terrorism with those who dream of it and
bring up their children to love it from the cradle.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
If you're not familiar with that list of four Mumbai
among them, those are all notable terrible, deadly attacks by
Islami fascists, Islamic supremacists, whatever you want to call them,
on innocent people, terrorist attacks, they comment or shall we
roll on little finish and then I will next clip.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Consider this in every European capital as well as in America,
photographs of the Israeli hostages still in captivity by Hamaz
have been put up and in every city outside of
Israel they have been torn down. Think about that for

(05:35):
a moment. If someone in London or Paris loses their dog,
they will put up a poster asking people to help
find them. And if even one person in our society
went around tearing down such a poster, we would ask

(05:57):
what had happened in our society. We would ask why
we were producing people so pathological. We would want to
find the person and punish them. Yet, when the missing

(06:19):
a Jewish children, or Jewish women or Jewish men, because
there's no crime in being a man either, these posters
are torn down. One of the relatives of the be
Best children held in captivity told me recently that he

(06:40):
saw posters of his one year old relative torn down
in the center of Dublin.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, that's a stunning point right there. You have got
to be some sort of warped individual, and apparently there
are a lot of them to take down those posters.
Even if you believe all of the nonsense of the
land belonged to the Palestinians and the Jewish people stole it.
Even if you believe all that stuff. You're still against

(07:07):
the Jewish families getting their kids back.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. But there's
example after example just in the last century of ideology,
particularly extremist ideology, warping what seemed like normal people and
turning them into monsters. And often when that fever and
era of history passes, they cannot explain how they got

(07:33):
swept up in it and became monsters.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I knew it happened the way humans are. I
knew what had happened in New York and a number
of our college campuses. I didn't know what happened everywhere
in the world outside of Israel where those posters got
torn down. That is highly troubling.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
The brilliant Douglas Murray in the final clip.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
One other consideration we have all for years heard the
feminists issue a call on male sexual violence against women.
Believe all women, But where was the solidarity, Where was
the sympathy or even belief? When the women would Jews,

(08:18):
the belief evaporates. And I won't even go into the
psycho pathology and suicidalism of queers for Palestine, who are
a branch of Turkeys for Christmas. It was Hermaz that

(08:42):
started this war. Yet much of the world has forgotten this.
They've been fooled by Hermas propaganda into imagining that Israel
is the aggressor. Having seen this war up close, I
can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the
war would be over tomorrow, not just if her As
returned the Jewish hostages, but if the Palestinians in Gaza

(09:05):
brought up their children not to hate, but to love,
not to aspire to a cult of death, but to
join Israel in a belief in life, not to believe
in destroying a state, but to put their energies into
building one.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, that is something that whole believe all woman me too.
Thing that obviously the road stopped on that at Jewish
women being raped to death.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I mean I was. We had a clip this
morning of that woman screaming I support Hamas, I am
Hammas outside of the White House over the weekend, and
prior to her saying that, in the clip, she was
screaming about all sorts of other stuff, and one of
the things she started screaming aboutse they didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
There was no rape that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at this huge
group of people going, I wonder how many of them
were out there during the Me Too rallies. Yeah, because
it's all the same kind of people that go to
these protests.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
All of them. But that does help their argument. They
don't believe those stories. So okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
A final note, and if you listen to the radio
show Are the Armstrong and Getting on demand, you're going
to hear this again. But I just wanted to throw
in just a little bit of what Sam Harris wrote recently.
Is another thinker who I admire even when I don't
agree with him. He provokes my thoughts. But he unleashed
rather a long piece about fundamentalist Islam and how it's

(10:37):
a political system and a relentively expansionist political system and
totalitarian political system, and compares it and contrasts it in
some ways with Christianity, which is also expansionist. But is
you know, the blessed or the meek, for they will
inherit the earth when it's done right. Christianity does not
employ force in any way. But and he gets to

(10:58):
the fact that Islam from the first moment was a
religion of power, and to quote him. The idea of
non Muslims ruling over Muslims, or even having equivalent power
alongside them perpetually has always been anathema. It's an error
to be rectified through spiritual struggle, sure, but also through
physical violence. The fact that Islam has failed to achieve
dominance in our world and has proven for nearly a

(11:20):
thousand years to be quite backward and weak is a
perennial source of humiliation. By the light of the doctrine,
it makes absolutely no sense. It's a sacrilege. From the
point of view of Islam. The status quo is intolerable.
And then he brings it to what we're talking about,
and this general attitude of affronted dignity, this yearning for victory,

(11:40):
which century after century has been out of reach, affects
everything that Islam touches. It is why the history of
peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians has been so hopeless.
Have the Israelis made mistakes, of course, do the Jews
have their own religious fanatics, yes, But the peace process
between the Israelis and the Palestinians has been rendered hopeless
from the start because for a majority of Palestinians, and

(12:01):
for the vast numbers of Muslims in the region, the
mere presence of a Jewish state in the Holy Land
is totally unacceptable. It's a knakma, a catastrophe. It is
a perversion of sacred history, and it is an abject
failure of the mission of Islam, which is to conquer
the world for the glory of God, and above all,
to never forsake Muslim lands once they have been conquered,

(12:24):
which of course Palestine once was. And then it goes
into some quotes from the Koran which make it clear
that for fundamentalists, killing people to achieve their goals is
just a hunky dory. But I think the point that
Sam Harris is making is absolutely fundamental.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
To all of this.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
They can't come to a settlement with Israel and reach
a two state solution. They want a one state solution,
even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides. Two state solution.
Please sell your idiot fantasies somewhere else. We're not buying.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I'm not buying. Yeah. So the question is Secretary of
State's over there trying to work that deal out with
Saudi Arabia, where we have some sort of agreement with
them like we have with Japan where we would come
to their aid if they were attacked, and which Saudi
Arabia would love that because that helps them in that

(13:19):
whole battle with Iran. But Saudi Arabia has to get
on board with accepting, you know, normalizing relationship with Israel.
They're saying, and they won't do that unless one the
war ends and two they commit to a two state solution.
But whether or not they actually mean that or not
is an open question, Like if MBS might be willing

(13:40):
to say, yeah, and you have to commit to us
two state solutions sometime, but doesn't actually enforce it.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Right for domestic political consumption, much as Anthony Blankett is
desperate for things to calm down a little bit for
domestic political consumption.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, so those are the next steps there. That'd be
a huge deal.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Again, if politics was restricted to people only saying what
they actually meant, that like eighty percent of it would vanish.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, I guess that's it.
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