August 8, 2024 • 12 mins
We once again pay our respects to one of the greatest memes of the past 25 years--Mr. Succulent Chinese Meal, Jack Karlson. Plus, a recent trip to the Black Hills inspires a talk on the plight of Native Americans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gentlemen and Katie, this is final thoughts Manifest. I'm strong
and one. Also, when is an Indian not an Indian?
Stay with us, won't you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Donnor feather?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If you missed our loving tribute to aussy curiosity, Jack Carlson,
the Democracy Manifest guy at during the Armstrong and Getty
radio show Slash Armstrong and Getdy on demand podcast, you
missed a good time. But there's a little more stuff
we want to get to, including what do we do
the fairly recent interview he did, Let's go ahead and
(00:44):
listen to that. Did you ever think when you sat
down for that succulent Chinese meal that all these years
later you would be a social media super stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No, I didn't know that, or I don't even know
if that's happening now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, surely you've been still in.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The streets numerous occasions.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What was the succulent Chinese meal?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I forget what it was made. I used to eat
plenty of stuff there, and we're we're eating it now.
We're in the same rest not the same restaurant, but
the same excellent succulent Guinese food.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But there were some pretty crazy theories flying around what's
the wildest one you've heard over the years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
One of them was that they thought I was a
Hungarian chess player. I don't speak with a Hungarian accents.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Play. Yeah, I think there was one where he was
a UFO come down from Mars at one stage two.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What's more likely, Jack, that you're an alien or that
you're a test grandmaster.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now, I'm just doing the best I can to stay.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Out of jail, So just go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was just letting you know that other voice that
you heard that said that others thought he was an alien.
That was one of the cops that arrested him. They
were having lunch together.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow, Uh so is a guy kooky like super kookie?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Just I think so? Troubling childhood, orphanage, petty crime, spent
half of his early life in jail and then tried to,
you know, stay out of jail, but was still you know,
for instance, allegedly snarf and Chinese food with a stolen
credit card.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Was he drunk when he did that whole thing?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He where's the where's the headlock? One? Michael? We have
that one. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I have a little short headlock.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I do have this one though.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And her. Are you waiting to receive lent venus?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He was drinking a nice glass of whiskey, and during
that last clip we heard.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, okay, so he's a drinker. Yeah, and leave your
LP out of it. I just I don't want to
hear about it.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Nobody does, really Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And anyway, at one point we discussed the possibility or
or surely the existence of remixes. I guess we have
at least one remix of his screed. Let's hear that,
all right?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Look at the head bok, Look at that headlong, look
at that head bond, look at that head bobbing and jewish?
How are you waiting to receive it?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh? Surely there's there's better than that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I feel like I feel like they emphasized the genitalia
portion of his screed more than I need.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You know, I was digging and digging for that was
the best one that I could find on the internet. Yeah,
all the other ones. There was one with a symphony,
but all the levels were off of the music was
way too loud to be able to hear him.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's just funny that people do that. You have to
do something with your day, but Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Anyway, what a character. I wish I'd been his manager
back in the day. So we got this email, Jack,
I thought you might find it interesting. It's from anonymous
guys a long time listener here. I grew up in Cheyenne, Wyoming,
named after an Indian tribe, lived in the Indian Hills
subdivision on Shoshone, also an Indian Tribe street, and went
(04:33):
to Cheyenne Central High School where a mascot was you
guessed it, the Indian. I'm a white girl who's taught
the history of our state and with that reverence for
the many tribes who reside there in their plight when
the white man showed up. Please tell oh, so she's
talking about your discussion of being in quote unquote Indian country.
She also says next year he needs to go to
the Cheyenne Frontiers Frontier Days last week of July and
(04:56):
witness the daddy of them all. Okay, cool, best known,
big rodeo, largest versus awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
They also sell delicious Indian tacos, whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So yeah, being in a variety of places in Wyoming, Montana,
and South Dakota, and my youngest son is a superhistory buff,
which is fine with me because I am also. And
we listened to some documentaries and YouTube lectures and sort
of stuff as we were headed to, for instance, the
Battle of the Little Big Horn site where George Custer
(05:32):
met his end there and watched all that stuff before
we walked around and gave it a lot of background
information and everything like that. But it's a tough thing.
Our take over the years in the Armstring and Getty
Show has just been you know, the history of the
world is people take what they can and always have,
always will and Indian tribes took what they could from
(05:53):
various injur tribes and very violent ways all the time too.
But it's not it's not comfortable and enjoy if you
go through the history of US making deals with various
tribes and then completely violating them over and over again. Yeah,
it's just it's abhorrent. It's horrifying, and in particular to
(06:15):
the Black Hills of this of South Dakota. So what
led to Custer's death, Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull the
tribes from South Dakota and the Black Hills was there
like religious Land, It would be like the Israel and Jerusalem,
(06:36):
a similar sort of thing, and and so they just
they needed to keep that because that's their sacred land.
They're going back forever and with the gods they believe
in and everything like that. And we said, oh, yeah, sure,
you can keep that, Okay, fine. Then gold was discovered
there and all of a sudden we decide no, no,
you can't. You gotta go. And then they're like, well,
we're not leaving, We're not. This is be like telling
(06:58):
the israel Is you have to leave Jerusalem. We discovered
gold there, so you gotta go. They're not going to
They're going to fight to the death for that. And
the Indians fought to the death for that, and Crazy
Horse led they got together a whole bunch of different
Indian tribes who also believed that there was their sacred
land and went to war with the cavalry. And Custer
went out there because he was one of the greatest
Indian fighters in American history and thought he was on
(07:20):
to about six hundred warriors when he came over the hill.
Turns out there was twenty five hundred of him, and
he got wiped out and died. But eventually, you know,
our equipment and mass as the United States overwhelmed them,
and then when Crazy Horse finally surrendered the white flag
and everything like that, then they stabbed him to death
(07:41):
to make sure that he couldn't, you know, band anybody together.
And it's a pretty rough story. It's not you know,
it's not something to be proud of. I realized that
he is a history of the world, but still.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well right exactly, And that's the miserable failing of the
woke crowd. You can recognize the abhorrence of several of
the things you mentioned there, but understand, in the age
of conquest, that is how virtually everybody was acting. It
was very much a dog eat dog, snatch up territory
and resources world. That doesn't make it right, but it's
like I was discussing the other day with my wife.
(08:12):
We were at a historical site that was talking about
slavery and that sort of thing, and it had a
map of the flow of the African slaves to the
United States, and I said, that map is accurate, but
what it leaves out is that eighty percent of the
slaves went here. I pointed to Brazil and here the Caribbean.
The vast, vast, vast majority did not come to the
(08:33):
United States, they went to other places in an era
when slavery was ubiquitous. It was everywhere. Everybody was enslaving everybody.
So I don't for a second deny the evil, but
you've got to view it in the context of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And then you know, giving the Indians land, but just
like the worst land in America, he couldn't grow anything
on just barren, cold, windy land. Ear if you want to,
you can't live over there where you can grow stuff,
And killed off the buffalo by the millions because that
was so important to the tribes to be able to survive,
(09:10):
so that it would be impossible for them to survive.
They didn't have all of the resources that came with
the buffalo herds. It's just it's definitely an ugly story.
It was. It was, you know, fit in perfectly with
the times, but still still an ugly story. And then
you go more modern than that, having driven through a
(09:30):
couple of Indian reservations, now you get to the how
socialism doesn't work, and it should be so evident by
looking at the Indian reservations. You cross over from you know,
the regular United States of America and everything that is
with a little town that's functioning fine. You cross a
line all of a sudden you're an Indian reservation and
(09:51):
it's like you're in a different country. Well you practically are,
it's a sovereign land. But it's just it's just the
squalor and the filth, and the people sitting around ground drunk,
and it's just it's just horrifying. Yeah, living off the
dependence of all these programs that are supposed to help
them somehow, the whole thing is ugly. I wish there
was a way to fix it somehow. I'll tell you what.
(10:12):
The best way to fix it is, get the hell
off the Indian Reservation.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, absolutely true. And I've at this point, I've been
saying this for a very long time. Yeah, that's it's
such a miserable, hopeless life to be dependent on the government.
And with all respect to the things you said about
history and all, you can preserve your culture and have
it thrive and and talk about the old ways and
(10:40):
have a very happy life in the modern world. And
it's it's I can't get inside the head of somebody
who rejects that in favor of staying on the reservation
as a I don't want to say gesture. I don't
want to be at all dismissive, because again I haven't
lived this life, but somebody choosing that misery as opposed
(11:01):
to finding a way to preserve and promote their history
and culture. Outside of that just absolute vacuum of joy.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And there were subsequent presidential administrations that decided what we
had done was horrible, and we passed various resolutions apologizing
and all that sort of stuff over the years. Whether
that was heartfelt or not, I do not know, but
it was impossible for me. And I don't know what
the average person does, like when they go to the
battlefield of the Little Bighorn, to not have been rooting
(11:34):
for the injury Indians and take great joy in the
fact that they killed Custer. And I don't know why
do that. I don't know if it's just the oppressed
oppressor thing that we all have just kind of naturally,
where you root for the underdog, I mean, and they
were being screwed, absolutely screwed out of something they'd been promised,
so it was hard not to be, you know, think
cool glad they died, which is weird because well, because
(11:56):
for the obvious reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, Anybody who thinks we the people have not
done ugly, unforgivable things as a fool, and anybody who
thinks that makes us uniquely evil.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Is a fool, right, or that there's somebody better out there,
which country you're going to point to that that hasn't
happened on their land at some point, including recently if
you want to get into you know, like areas like
Serbia and that part of the world, or Africa, what's
going on right now?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The Middle East? Of course, Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
Gentlemen and Katie, this is final thoughts Manifest. I'm strong
and one. Also, when is an Indian not an Indian?
Stay with us, won't you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Donnor feather?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If you missed our loving tribute to aussy curiosity, Jack Carlson,
the Democracy Manifest guy at during the Armstrong and Getty
radio show Slash Armstrong and Getdy on demand podcast, you
missed a good time. But there's a little more stuff
we want to get to, including what do we do
the fairly recent interview he did, Let's go ahead and
(00:44):
listen to that. Did you ever think when you sat
down for that succulent Chinese meal that all these years
later you would be a social media super stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No, I didn't know that, or I don't even know
if that's happening now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, surely you've been still in.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The streets numerous occasions.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What was the succulent Chinese meal?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I forget what it was made. I used to eat
plenty of stuff there, and we're we're eating it now.
We're in the same rest not the same restaurant, but
the same excellent succulent Guinese food.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But there were some pretty crazy theories flying around what's
the wildest one you've heard over the years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
One of them was that they thought I was a
Hungarian chess player. I don't speak with a Hungarian accents.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Play. Yeah, I think there was one where he was
a UFO come down from Mars at one stage two.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What's more likely, Jack, that you're an alien or that
you're a test grandmaster.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now, I'm just doing the best I can to stay.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Out of jail, So just go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was just letting you know that other voice that
you heard that said that others thought he was an alien.
That was one of the cops that arrested him. They
were having lunch together.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow, Uh so is a guy kooky like super kookie?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Just I think so? Troubling childhood, orphanage, petty crime, spent
half of his early life in jail and then tried to,
you know, stay out of jail, but was still you know,
for instance, allegedly snarf and Chinese food with a stolen
credit card.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Was he drunk when he did that whole thing?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He where's the where's the headlock? One? Michael? We have
that one. I love that one.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I have a little short headlock.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I do have this one though.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And her. Are you waiting to receive lent venus?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He was drinking a nice glass of whiskey, and during
that last clip we heard.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, okay, so he's a drinker. Yeah, and leave your
LP out of it. I just I don't want to
hear about it.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Nobody does, really Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And anyway, at one point we discussed the possibility or
or surely the existence of remixes. I guess we have
at least one remix of his screed. Let's hear that,
all right?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Look at the head bok, Look at that headlong, look
at that head bond, look at that head bobbing and jewish?
How are you waiting to receive it?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh? Surely there's there's better than that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I feel like I feel like they emphasized the genitalia
portion of his screed more than I need.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You know, I was digging and digging for that was
the best one that I could find on the internet. Yeah,
all the other ones. There was one with a symphony,
but all the levels were off of the music was
way too loud to be able to hear him.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's just funny that people do that. You have to
do something with your day, but Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Anyway, what a character. I wish I'd been his manager
back in the day. So we got this email, Jack,
I thought you might find it interesting. It's from anonymous
guys a long time listener here. I grew up in Cheyenne, Wyoming,
named after an Indian tribe, lived in the Indian Hills
subdivision on Shoshone, also an Indian Tribe street, and went
(04:33):
to Cheyenne Central High School where a mascot was you
guessed it, the Indian. I'm a white girl who's taught
the history of our state and with that reverence for
the many tribes who reside there in their plight when
the white man showed up. Please tell oh, so she's
talking about your discussion of being in quote unquote Indian country.
She also says next year he needs to go to
the Cheyenne Frontiers Frontier Days last week of July and
(04:56):
witness the daddy of them all. Okay, cool, best known,
big rodeo, largest versus awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
They also sell delicious Indian tacos, whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So yeah, being in a variety of places in Wyoming, Montana,
and South Dakota, and my youngest son is a superhistory buff,
which is fine with me because I am also. And
we listened to some documentaries and YouTube lectures and sort
of stuff as we were headed to, for instance, the
Battle of the Little Big Horn site where George Custer
(05:32):
met his end there and watched all that stuff before
we walked around and gave it a lot of background
information and everything like that. But it's a tough thing.
Our take over the years in the Armstring and Getty
Show has just been you know, the history of the
world is people take what they can and always have,
always will and Indian tribes took what they could from
(05:53):
various injur tribes and very violent ways all the time too.
But it's not it's not comfortable and enjoy if you
go through the history of US making deals with various
tribes and then completely violating them over and over again. Yeah,
it's just it's abhorrent. It's horrifying, and in particular to
(06:15):
the Black Hills of this of South Dakota. So what
led to Custer's death, Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull the
tribes from South Dakota and the Black Hills was there
like religious Land, It would be like the Israel and Jerusalem,
(06:36):
a similar sort of thing, and and so they just
they needed to keep that because that's their sacred land.
They're going back forever and with the gods they believe
in and everything like that. And we said, oh, yeah, sure,
you can keep that, Okay, fine. Then gold was discovered
there and all of a sudden we decide no, no,
you can't. You gotta go. And then they're like, well,
we're not leaving, We're not. This is be like telling
(06:58):
the israel Is you have to leave Jerusalem. We discovered
gold there, so you gotta go. They're not going to
They're going to fight to the death for that. And
the Indians fought to the death for that, and Crazy
Horse led they got together a whole bunch of different
Indian tribes who also believed that there was their sacred
land and went to war with the cavalry. And Custer
went out there because he was one of the greatest
Indian fighters in American history and thought he was on
(07:20):
to about six hundred warriors when he came over the hill.
Turns out there was twenty five hundred of him, and
he got wiped out and died. But eventually, you know,
our equipment and mass as the United States overwhelmed them,
and then when Crazy Horse finally surrendered the white flag
and everything like that, then they stabbed him to death
(07:41):
to make sure that he couldn't, you know, band anybody together.
And it's a pretty rough story. It's not you know,
it's not something to be proud of. I realized that
he is a history of the world, but still.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well right exactly, And that's the miserable failing of the
woke crowd. You can recognize the abhorrence of several of
the things you mentioned there, but understand, in the age
of conquest, that is how virtually everybody was acting. It
was very much a dog eat dog, snatch up territory
and resources world. That doesn't make it right, but it's
like I was discussing the other day with my wife.
(08:12):
We were at a historical site that was talking about
slavery and that sort of thing, and it had a
map of the flow of the African slaves to the
United States, and I said, that map is accurate, but
what it leaves out is that eighty percent of the
slaves went here. I pointed to Brazil and here the Caribbean.
The vast, vast, vast majority did not come to the
(08:33):
United States, they went to other places in an era
when slavery was ubiquitous. It was everywhere. Everybody was enslaving everybody.
So I don't for a second deny the evil, but
you've got to view it in the context of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And then you know, giving the Indians land, but just
like the worst land in America, he couldn't grow anything
on just barren, cold, windy land. Ear if you want to,
you can't live over there where you can grow stuff,
And killed off the buffalo by the millions because that
was so important to the tribes to be able to survive,
(09:10):
so that it would be impossible for them to survive.
They didn't have all of the resources that came with
the buffalo herds. It's just it's definitely an ugly story.
It was. It was, you know, fit in perfectly with
the times, but still still an ugly story. And then
you go more modern than that, having driven through a
(09:30):
couple of Indian reservations, now you get to the how
socialism doesn't work, and it should be so evident by
looking at the Indian reservations. You cross over from you know,
the regular United States of America and everything that is
with a little town that's functioning fine. You cross a
line all of a sudden you're an Indian reservation and
(09:51):
it's like you're in a different country. Well you practically are,
it's a sovereign land. But it's just it's just the
squalor and the filth, and the people sitting around ground drunk,
and it's just it's just horrifying. Yeah, living off the
dependence of all these programs that are supposed to help
them somehow, the whole thing is ugly. I wish there
was a way to fix it somehow. I'll tell you what.
(10:12):
The best way to fix it is, get the hell
off the Indian Reservation.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, absolutely true. And I've at this point, I've been
saying this for a very long time. Yeah, that's it's
such a miserable, hopeless life to be dependent on the government.
And with all respect to the things you said about
history and all, you can preserve your culture and have
it thrive and and talk about the old ways and
(10:40):
have a very happy life in the modern world. And
it's it's I can't get inside the head of somebody
who rejects that in favor of staying on the reservation
as a I don't want to say gesture. I don't
want to be at all dismissive, because again I haven't
lived this life, but somebody choosing that misery as opposed
(11:01):
to finding a way to preserve and promote their history
and culture. Outside of that just absolute vacuum of joy.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And there were subsequent presidential administrations that decided what we
had done was horrible, and we passed various resolutions apologizing
and all that sort of stuff over the years. Whether
that was heartfelt or not, I do not know, but
it was impossible for me. And I don't know what
the average person does, like when they go to the
battlefield of the Little Bighorn, to not have been rooting
(11:34):
for the injury Indians and take great joy in the
fact that they killed Custer. And I don't know why
do that. I don't know if it's just the oppressed
oppressor thing that we all have just kind of naturally,
where you root for the underdog, I mean, and they
were being screwed, absolutely screwed out of something they'd been promised,
so it was hard not to be, you know, think
cool glad they died, which is weird because well, because
(11:56):
for the obvious reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, Anybody who thinks we the people have not
done ugly, unforgivable things as a fool, and anybody who
thinks that makes us uniquely evil.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Is a fool, right, or that there's somebody better out there,
which country you're going to point to that that hasn't
happened on their land at some point, including recently if
you want to get into you know, like areas like
Serbia and that part of the world, or Africa, what's
going on right now?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The Middle East? Of course, Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
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