August 15, 2024 • 12 mins
First, the NFL's new kickoff rule has upended the game! Next, a judge hosting a group of students decided that a little "Scared Straight" was the perfect remedy for some bad courtroom behavior--and Katie shares her own first-hand experience!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't like your attitude. You're sentenced to five to
ten years. It's one more thing I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Strong and getty, one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You put back on the right track by stern judges.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stay with us before we get to that. Do you
understand the new kickoff rules for the NFL, which the
season is beginning soon.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did at one point I read about them, but
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't think you probably do or did, because I
just read this interview with a whole bunch of coaches
and they don't understand it, and they don't have any
idea how it's going to work out. Each team has
kind of got their own plans on how to deal
with the rules. Nobody's doing it in preseason. Nobody's like
implementing their plan. They're not because they don't want to
(00:45):
show people what their plan is until real game situations,
and so both the offense and the defense aren't really
doing what they plan to do in games with the
new kickoff thing. Before I get to that quickly, last
year the league had the lowest rate of return in
the one hundred and four year history of the NFL,
with only a little over a fifth of kicks run
(01:06):
back at all.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, and usually that's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
For instance, back in twenty ten, eighty percent of kicks
were returned. So we went from eighty percent not that
long ago, from kicks being returned to now twenty percent
of kicks being returned. And I thought, well, that's not good,
do you just because otherwise, what's kicking? It's nothing, it's
just an exercise. We might as well just right. It's
hard for mel It's like a ceremony. Yeah, it's not
part of the game. Yeah. So the new one, I
(01:32):
just read it through and I don't quite understand it.
Unlike previous kickoffs, it came alive when the kickers foot
struck the ball. The action begins. Now not until the
kickoff is touched or hits the turf in the landing zone,
which is a particular area which extends from the goal
line to the receiving team's twenty yard line the coverage team.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Exactly what the XFL has been doing or whatever alterna
league there is right now.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So you have to land the ball in that area. Yeah,
are are most NFL kicker is able to do that?
Put it somewhere between the goal line and the twenty
yard line. Oh, yeah, regularly s. Yeah, as opposed to
just trying to kick it clear out, click, clear off
on through.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, what's the sanction for busting it through the goal post?
End of the stands?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I can't remember they poking the eye. I don't know.
I don't know if the sanction is.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's odd that'd be entertaining.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And any kick that doesn't reach the landing landing zone
results in the receiving team taking position at the forty
so that's quite the penalty. Wow, you don't want to
You don't want to have them starting at the forty,
so you'd really want to make sure your kicker can
land it in the landing zone. Anyway, I was reading
Harbor Jim Harbow. We loved when he was a San
(02:46):
Francisco forty nine er coach, and he's been successful everywhere
he's gone is now in LA as you know, and
he and a whole bunch of other coaches say, no,
we haven't shown what we're planning to do on both
ends of this yet, so it's completely wide open to
how that's going to be approached until the first real
games start, which I find interesting enough to make me
want to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's different. Like I say, the alternate
League's been doing this for a while. I've seen video
of it.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But the idea of having that, the idea of having
an exciting play from the beginning of the game as
opposed to and the kickoffs, so the end zone, they'll
take over the twenty and we'll be back in four
minutes after these commercials.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Hardly worth watching. Absolutely, Yeah, you know there's something else
you wanted to do real quick here just about the NFL.
They still watch it quite a bit from the XFL,
believe it or not. The camera angles that you see
on TV now they stole all of those.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, that is the brilliance of competition. That's what happens
with competition. Lots of times it makes the Sometimes a
competition comes along, whatever it is, sport, food, car, whatever,
and it replaces the old one and kills it. But
sometimes it comes along and the existing model and co
(04:00):
ops the best stuff from the startup that goes away.
Happens all the time. And yeah, they were cool.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
There was a time when American automakers were so lazy
and protected that the.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Cars were crap. Absolutely, you missed that occasion made him better.
You're young, American cars were absolute garbage for quite a
few years. And I hate saying that, but it's true. Huh, God,
I had a Ford Mustang. Could not have been a
bigger piece of crap if that was your intention. You know,
that was the year nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, So my dad for the longest time, and well,
right when I started driving, he's like, you're not getting
an American car.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, if you're from a certain era. Yeah, that was
a smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No longer true. Your dad will factor into the next
story as well. I believe his honor of the judge.
A teenager on a field trip to see a Detroit
court ended up in jail clothes and handcuffs because a
judge said he didn't like her attitude. Judge Kenneth King
even asked other kids of the court room Tuesday whether
the sixteen year old girl should be taking a juvenile detention.
(05:05):
Let's see, she's part of a visit organized by the
Greening of Detroit, a nonprofit environmental group. For some reason,
it's probably more just education in general. But you notice
the girl falling asleep. You fall in my sleep, You
fall asleep in my courtroom. One more time, I'm gonna
put you in back, understood, judge said. According to a
video of his remarks, King then had the girl changing
into jail clothes and wear handcuffs. Was her whole attitude
(05:28):
in her old disposition that disturbed me, the judge told
local news. Want to get through to her, sure how
serious this is and how you were how you are
to conduct yourself inside of a court room.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So it wasn't just the falling the sleep, uh no, No. Indeed,
probably smart ass attitude and everything like that, because sometimes
if you're really tired, Oh it's kind of hard.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Maybe the kid is up all night taking care of
her siblings because you know, mom's at work and dad's
a drug addict or whatever, or.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
The lawyers are just with their blah blah blah. It's
boring and it's hot in there, and it's like one
o'clock in the afternoon. My head just said problem.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, no kidding, said his honor. I'll do whatever needs
to be done to reach these kids and make sure
they don't end up in front of me. On the
other hand, the Greening of Detroit released a statement saying
the young lady was traumatized. Although the judge was trying
to teach a lesson of respect. His methods were unacceptable.
The group of students should simply have been asked to
leave the courtroom if he thought they were disrespectful. I'm
(06:21):
with the judge on this one, Absolutely with the judge.
The judge said, I wonder her to look. I wanted
this to look and feel very real to her, even
though there's probably no real chance of me putting her
in jail. That's my own version of scared straight.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Teach her a lesson.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I think that sort of thing. I think that's
a great idea. I mean, if you had a coup,
take out a night stick and give her a few licks,
all right, that would be too much. Yeah, just scared,
the idea of no, no, you come into my courtroom.
This is a different world than you've ever been in, sweetheart.
You don't want to be in here in front of
me for real?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Hey, no joke, A joke.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think when I was either a freshman or a
sophomore in high school, I had a group of friends,
Thank you, gladys.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They were all guys.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well okay, it was like three girls and like nine guys,
and we all hung out. We all lived in the
same area and we were getting in a little bit
of innocent trouble, you know, and one of my guy
friends peed on the side of the gymnasium during homecoming
and got caught. And so the next thing I know,
my dad's putting us through a scared straight program in
his courtroom.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh yeah, Dad.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Dad, Yeah, I was the real cool kid that day.
Let me tell you. We're all sitting there. My dad's
just letting us have it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And there's this one particular guy named dB who my
dad put in jail. It's either eight or nine times.
They still argue about it. My dad put him through
this program. And now dB was the head probation officer
for Alameda County in California, and he is totally My
parents went to his wedding.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He was at my wedding. He's family now.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So dB was there and he had this stack of
obituaries of all of his friends that had been killed
in gang violence and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And he's going and killed in peeing accidents.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, peeing incidents.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And he went up to one of my friends and
said stand up, and my buddy stood up, and dB goes.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So I come to your house.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I kick your door down, and I'm telling you give me,
give me all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm coming in there, and your house is mine. Now
what are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Trying to show him that, you know, my friend wasn't
so big, and my buddy looks at him, goes, I'd
tell you to stop, and my dad just went, all right,
sit down.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The next thing I know.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
He's like, you guys obviously aren't getting it, and he
took us all into the holding cells of the Oakland
Courthouse and put us each in the holding and three
of them were crying.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It was it was an experience.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But I will tell you none of those friends got
in trouble with the law, not one of them.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Were you there in the cells with ne'er Dowell's or
like on your own.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
No apartments had their own holding areas for the trials
that were happening, and so my dad didn't have any
trials going on that day. So the cells were open,
but we were we were up there. They closed it,
they locked it, and they showed.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Us they'd give you a feeling.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, oh, lots of feelings. Yeah, we had. There were
some tears. There was one of the girls was so upset.
She was trying to get somebody to call her dad,
who was out, you know, out in the waiting area.
But those scared straight programs, when done properly, work sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh no, I don't know, work really well well.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And even if they work on ten percent of the kids,
that's a lot of kids who will have their future saved. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So your friend who urinated on the school during homecoming
because of homecoming?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It was during the homecoming football game, okay, And we
were all running around and two of my buddies took
off and they came back laughing hysterically, and soon enough
security came and it turned out one of my guys.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Took Yeah, so it was ha ha ha ha. Isn't
public urination funny? And they found it's not.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
They found out it really wasn't because they got in
trouble with the school and then his parents called my parents,
and my dad's like, that's it, you're coming to court,
and we all got roped into it. I'm thankful for it,
to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You, I rarely did anything wrong, but that that teenager
desire to like break a rule and it's just so
fulfilling is an interesting part of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Again, it's a rite of passage, establishing your independence. Yeah,
and then you figure out what to do with that independence,
and you realize pissing on schools is probably not at
the top of the list.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was so dumb, It was so dumb, and they
thought it was the funniest damn thing they'd ever done.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So just the experience of being locked in a cage
was enough to freak your your friends out, even though
they knew they were getting out eventually.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
It was the mixture of dB telling his story and
then kind of not getting in our faces, but kind
of showing us like he was an actual gangbanger. And
if you want to go down this road where you
think you're badass and you're really not, I'll show.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You what it's really like.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
DB's I think he's like six ' four, like two
seventy five.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, he's huge.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And everybody that went into it came out with a
They it was real quiet walking out of there.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, that's the whole thing, is you man, It's good
to find that out before you get to a I've
had this conversation with people I know a juvenile hall
or a school for bad kids or jail where you
think you're kind of naughty and bad and tough and
not scared of much until you're around some really, really
scary people. It's good to learn that lesson before you
(11:36):
have to get there. Eh, isn't on the wallet? Homecoming?
Quick question? Quick question for Katie.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So, with your dad being a judge, was he more
strict on you or less strict?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
More strict?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I got pulled over once and I was not
worried about the cop at all. I was like, oh boy,
I'm gonna have to go home and explain this.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Do you have a gabble at the dinner table? Well,
a big good pound on the table.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He didn't need one, just him.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, I guess that's it.
I don't like your attitude. You're sentenced to five to
ten years. It's one more thing I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Strong and getty, one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You put back on the right track by stern judges.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stay with us before we get to that. Do you
understand the new kickoff rules for the NFL, which the
season is beginning soon.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did at one point I read about them, but
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't think you probably do or did, because I
just read this interview with a whole bunch of coaches
and they don't understand it, and they don't have any
idea how it's going to work out. Each team has
kind of got their own plans on how to deal
with the rules. Nobody's doing it in preseason. Nobody's like
implementing their plan. They're not because they don't want to
(00:45):
show people what their plan is until real game situations,
and so both the offense and the defense aren't really
doing what they plan to do in games with the
new kickoff thing. Before I get to that quickly, last
year the league had the lowest rate of return in
the one hundred and four year history of the NFL,
with only a little over a fifth of kicks run
(01:06):
back at all.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, and usually that's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
For instance, back in twenty ten, eighty percent of kicks
were returned. So we went from eighty percent not that
long ago, from kicks being returned to now twenty percent
of kicks being returned. And I thought, well, that's not good,
do you just because otherwise, what's kicking? It's nothing, it's
just an exercise. We might as well just right. It's
hard for mel It's like a ceremony. Yeah, it's not
part of the game. Yeah. So the new one, I
(01:32):
just read it through and I don't quite understand it.
Unlike previous kickoffs, it came alive when the kickers foot
struck the ball. The action begins. Now not until the
kickoff is touched or hits the turf in the landing zone,
which is a particular area which extends from the goal
line to the receiving team's twenty yard line the coverage team.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Exactly what the XFL has been doing or whatever alterna
league there is right now.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So you have to land the ball in that area. Yeah,
are are most NFL kicker is able to do that?
Put it somewhere between the goal line and the twenty
yard line. Oh, yeah, regularly s. Yeah, as opposed to
just trying to kick it clear out, click, clear off
on through.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, what's the sanction for busting it through the goal post?
End of the stands?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I can't remember they poking the eye. I don't know.
I don't know if the sanction is.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's odd that'd be entertaining.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And any kick that doesn't reach the landing landing zone
results in the receiving team taking position at the forty
so that's quite the penalty. Wow, you don't want to
You don't want to have them starting at the forty,
so you'd really want to make sure your kicker can
land it in the landing zone. Anyway, I was reading
Harbor Jim Harbow. We loved when he was a San
(02:46):
Francisco forty nine er coach, and he's been successful everywhere
he's gone is now in LA as you know, and
he and a whole bunch of other coaches say, no,
we haven't shown what we're planning to do on both
ends of this yet, so it's completely wide open to
how that's going to be approached until the first real
games start, which I find interesting enough to make me
want to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's different. Like I say, the alternate
League's been doing this for a while. I've seen video
of it.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But the idea of having that, the idea of having
an exciting play from the beginning of the game as
opposed to and the kickoffs, so the end zone, they'll
take over the twenty and we'll be back in four
minutes after these commercials.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Hardly worth watching. Absolutely, Yeah, you know there's something else
you wanted to do real quick here just about the NFL.
They still watch it quite a bit from the XFL,
believe it or not. The camera angles that you see
on TV now they stole all of those.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, that is the brilliance of competition. That's what happens
with competition. Lots of times it makes the Sometimes a
competition comes along, whatever it is, sport, food, car, whatever,
and it replaces the old one and kills it. But
sometimes it comes along and the existing model and co
(04:00):
ops the best stuff from the startup that goes away.
Happens all the time. And yeah, they were cool.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
There was a time when American automakers were so lazy
and protected that the.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Cars were crap. Absolutely, you missed that occasion made him better.
You're young, American cars were absolute garbage for quite a
few years. And I hate saying that, but it's true. Huh, God,
I had a Ford Mustang. Could not have been a
bigger piece of crap if that was your intention. You know,
that was the year nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, So my dad for the longest time, and well,
right when I started driving, he's like, you're not getting
an American car.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, if you're from a certain era. Yeah, that was
a smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No longer true. Your dad will factor into the next
story as well. I believe his honor of the judge.
A teenager on a field trip to see a Detroit
court ended up in jail clothes and handcuffs because a
judge said he didn't like her attitude. Judge Kenneth King
even asked other kids of the court room Tuesday whether
the sixteen year old girl should be taking a juvenile detention.
(05:05):
Let's see, she's part of a visit organized by the
Greening of Detroit, a nonprofit environmental group. For some reason,
it's probably more just education in general. But you notice
the girl falling asleep. You fall in my sleep, You
fall asleep in my courtroom. One more time, I'm gonna
put you in back, understood, judge said. According to a
video of his remarks, King then had the girl changing
into jail clothes and wear handcuffs. Was her whole attitude
(05:28):
in her old disposition that disturbed me, the judge told
local news. Want to get through to her, sure how
serious this is and how you were how you are
to conduct yourself inside of a court room.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So it wasn't just the falling the sleep, uh no, No. Indeed,
probably smart ass attitude and everything like that, because sometimes
if you're really tired, Oh it's kind of hard.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Maybe the kid is up all night taking care of
her siblings because you know, mom's at work and dad's
a drug addict or whatever, or.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
The lawyers are just with their blah blah blah. It's
boring and it's hot in there, and it's like one
o'clock in the afternoon. My head just said problem.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, no kidding, said his honor. I'll do whatever needs
to be done to reach these kids and make sure
they don't end up in front of me. On the
other hand, the Greening of Detroit released a statement saying
the young lady was traumatized. Although the judge was trying
to teach a lesson of respect. His methods were unacceptable.
The group of students should simply have been asked to
leave the courtroom if he thought they were disrespectful. I'm
(06:21):
with the judge on this one, Absolutely with the judge.
The judge said, I wonder her to look. I wanted
this to look and feel very real to her, even
though there's probably no real chance of me putting her
in jail. That's my own version of scared straight.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Teach her a lesson.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I think that sort of thing. I think that's
a great idea. I mean, if you had a coup,
take out a night stick and give her a few licks,
all right, that would be too much. Yeah, just scared,
the idea of no, no, you come into my courtroom.
This is a different world than you've ever been in, sweetheart.
You don't want to be in here in front of
me for real?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Hey, no joke, A joke.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think when I was either a freshman or a
sophomore in high school, I had a group of friends,
Thank you, gladys.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They were all guys.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well okay, it was like three girls and like nine guys,
and we all hung out. We all lived in the
same area and we were getting in a little bit
of innocent trouble, you know, and one of my guy
friends peed on the side of the gymnasium during homecoming
and got caught. And so the next thing I know,
my dad's putting us through a scared straight program in
his courtroom.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh yeah, Dad.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Dad, Yeah, I was the real cool kid that day.
Let me tell you. We're all sitting there. My dad's
just letting us have it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
And there's this one particular guy named dB who my
dad put in jail. It's either eight or nine times.
They still argue about it. My dad put him through
this program. And now dB was the head probation officer
for Alameda County in California, and he is totally My
parents went to his wedding.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He was at my wedding. He's family now.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So dB was there and he had this stack of
obituaries of all of his friends that had been killed
in gang violence and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And he's going and killed in peeing accidents.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, peeing incidents.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And he went up to one of my friends and
said stand up, and my buddy stood up, and dB goes.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So I come to your house.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I kick your door down, and I'm telling you give me,
give me all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm coming in there, and your house is mine. Now
what are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Trying to show him that, you know, my friend wasn't
so big, and my buddy looks at him, goes, I'd
tell you to stop, and my dad just went, all right,
sit down.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The next thing I know.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
He's like, you guys obviously aren't getting it, and he
took us all into the holding cells of the Oakland
Courthouse and put us each in the holding and three
of them were crying.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It was it was an experience.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But I will tell you none of those friends got
in trouble with the law, not one of them.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Were you there in the cells with ne'er Dowell's or
like on your own.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
No apartments had their own holding areas for the trials
that were happening, and so my dad didn't have any
trials going on that day. So the cells were open,
but we were we were up there. They closed it,
they locked it, and they showed.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Us they'd give you a feeling.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, oh, lots of feelings. Yeah, we had. There were
some tears. There was one of the girls was so upset.
She was trying to get somebody to call her dad,
who was out, you know, out in the waiting area.
But those scared straight programs, when done properly, work sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh no, I don't know, work really well well.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And even if they work on ten percent of the kids,
that's a lot of kids who will have their future saved. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So your friend who urinated on the school during homecoming
because of homecoming?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It was during the homecoming football game, okay, And we
were all running around and two of my buddies took
off and they came back laughing hysterically, and soon enough
security came and it turned out one of my guys.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Took Yeah, so it was ha ha ha ha. Isn't
public urination funny? And they found it's not.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
They found out it really wasn't because they got in
trouble with the school and then his parents called my parents,
and my dad's like, that's it, you're coming to court,
and we all got roped into it. I'm thankful for it,
to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You, I rarely did anything wrong, but that that teenager
desire to like break a rule and it's just so
fulfilling is an interesting part of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Again, it's a rite of passage, establishing your independence. Yeah,
and then you figure out what to do with that independence,
and you realize pissing on schools is probably not at
the top of the list.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was so dumb, It was so dumb, and they
thought it was the funniest damn thing they'd ever done.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So just the experience of being locked in a cage
was enough to freak your your friends out, even though
they knew they were getting out eventually.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
It was the mixture of dB telling his story and
then kind of not getting in our faces, but kind
of showing us like he was an actual gangbanger. And
if you want to go down this road where you
think you're badass and you're really not, I'll show.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You what it's really like.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
DB's I think he's like six ' four, like two
seventy five.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, he's huge.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And everybody that went into it came out with a
They it was real quiet walking out of there.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, that's the whole thing, is you man, It's good
to find that out before you get to a I've
had this conversation with people I know a juvenile hall
or a school for bad kids or jail where you
think you're kind of naughty and bad and tough and
not scared of much until you're around some really, really
scary people. It's good to learn that lesson before you
(11:36):
have to get there. Eh, isn't on the wallet? Homecoming?
Quick question? Quick question for Katie.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So, with your dad being a judge, was he more
strict on you or less strict?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
More strict?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I got pulled over once and I was not
worried about the cop at all. I was like, oh boy,
I'm gonna have to go home and explain this.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Do you have a gabble at the dinner table? Well,
a big good pound on the table.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He didn't need one, just him.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, I guess that's it.
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