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June 3, 2024 14 mins

First, Jack's son gets ready to "graduate" from 8th grade (and attend his first dance).  Next, some of the startling details about an Air Force pilot's mission on 9/11.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kids today, it's one more thing. I'm strong and getty.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
One more.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Got something serious but interesting that at least I didn't
know coming up on a second. But first this my
son who's fourteen and graduating from eighth grade this week graduating.
So he actually asked, why do they have eighth grade graduation? Well,

I don't know the real answer, but where I grew up,
I thought it was because a lot of people stopped
going to school at eighth grade. There was a good
chunk of the class that or a particular religion, the Mennonites,
they stopped at eighth grade. So I thought that's why
we had eighth grade graduation because they were done. But
then found out they have eighth grade graduations other places,

So why does eighth grade graduation exist?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
You know? I actually heard a really interesting argument about
this once we're The One point of view was, hey,
they've finished a level of school. Let's say let's show them, Hey,
education is important, we're proud of you, a good job.
Let's reinforce wanting to stay in school and pass everything,
which I think is a perfectly reasonable point of view.

The opposition was a woman who was saying, they haven't
accomplished anything. They're getting the very basics of education their kids.
They've got several more years of mandatory schooling. They haven't
accomplished anything. They barely gotten started. Quit with the ceremonies.
Too many ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I lean more towards that point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Anything that would less than the number of ceremonies I
have to go to. I'm in favor of.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, my mom has a picture of my Is it
my kindergarten graduation or my preschool graduation? I don't remember it.
I'm wearing a robe. I know she had to buy
a robe. Yeah, I'm warning a little green graduation cap
and robe. And they took pictures that she obviously paid
for because we have it.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
So I'm thinking you've got money sucked out of that.
Oh yeah, we we had to do kindergarten graduation and
there was like a certificate and stuff. But I don't
think there was no robe involved.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
But you know, I hate to blame the gals for this,
but it reminds me of little seven year old kids
in full.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Uniform playing Little League and they.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Have opening ceremonies and closing ceremonies every season, and the
parade of the teams and lots of pictures in the
rest of it. Back in the day, you just went
and played ball. There's no opening ceremony. What the hell
do you have an opening ceremony. First game of the
year is on Saturday, Go play it. That was the
opening ceremony.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Play ball.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
So my eighth grader has the graduations actually on Thursday,
and you're supposed to wear a tie, So we have
to go out and get a tie at some point
this week. He's gonna wear my shirt and my pants
because we're the same size. Oh, and it's gonna be hot. Uh,
he can't wear my shoes because he has bigger feet
than me. But so I have to get him some
dress shoes and a tie, and it is gonna be hot.
But the night before there's a big dance, the very

first dance of his life. Oh boy, And he said
the other day, I sure hope there's chairs because I
planned to sit.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
It's so funny the difference between guys and gals with
this one, Like I was so excited and you want
to chair to sit?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, yeah, I know I know that that's true. I'm
sure the girls are very very excited. I was gonna talk.
I haven't talked to him about that. I hint it
ad but I was gonna talk to him specifically about
and I haven't completely crafted it into my head yet,
And it probably won't do any good anyway, cause it's
different when you're fourteen than when you're older. And looking

back on being fourteen, but man, oh man, oh man,
there's so many things that I chickened out of or
kind of wish I had done or whatever. You only
live once. You only freaking live once. That girl over there,
you kind of like, go ask her to dance. Good, God,
I gotta figure out how I want to present it.
Not like that, but I mean, looking at talking to

my eighth grade me, I mean, just life is short. Yeah,
one go round.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, here's here's.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
What you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Maybe I'll offer this service.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I'll come over with half a dozen middle school young ladies,
have your boy, ask each one of them to dance.
Each one of them will say thanks, but no, I'm
not interested. And by the end of maybe we'll even
do two rounds. By the end of it that it'll
be like that's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Whatever. Oh they just get used to get down. It
used to be rejected a couple.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Of times, or they might be completely demoralized. But uh no,
maybe you have that thirteenth one say.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, I'd love to Did you ask somebody to dance? Michael?

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, I think I did. I usually got rejected, so
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I didn't ask anybody to dance. Somebody asked me to
dance for the last slow dance of the night, and
I've never been more nervous in my life. I can
I still feel the sweat running down my armpits as
we were slow dancing. I was so nervous and scared.
But why wouldn't you? I mean, and I kind of
wanted to dance, but I was scared at one of
being rejected and two of dancing in front of other people.

It's just God, when you get older, it just seems like,
why would you freaking care? But that's just the perspective
of age. You can't you know, you can't inject that
into someone.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Well, yeah, and dances are so small in our lives now.
It's such a big thing to them, right.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, yeah, of course it is. And I'm you know,
so on one hand, I don't know about his friends,
but it's probably true for his friends too. On one hand,
he's I hope they have chairs there. I might bring
my own camping chair just so I make sure. But
he has.

Speaker 3 (05:34):

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We got a haircut two weeks ago and he wasn't
quite happy with that, so we went and got another haircut,
and uh, you know, he's been picking out his clothes.
So I mean, you wouldn't get two haircuts and pick
out your clothes and all this sort of stuff if
you didn't care at all. So you care, but you
just don't want to look like you care, because I'm
sure none of your friends are looking like they care.
As the boys again, as the girls you get you

can be as thrilled as you want to be. Lots
of exclamation points if.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
You're Yeah, I played the records at the dances I
came in middle school. I volunteered for that. I think
it's one of the reasons I became a musician. If
I'm playing, you can't ask me to dance.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm busy. All the high school dances, I was the DJ,
which kind of got me out of it. I got
to be there, but I had a job. Yeah, but
uh yeah, so I don't know. I'm gonna try to
craft some sort of go for it type speech, see
how it lands. But I can just think of several
examples of like, why why didn't you? Why didn't you
do this? Why didn't you do that? There's no downside.

The worst case scenario is nothing. Well, actually a worst
case scenario is not doing anything then wishing the rest
of your life you would have tried. So, yeah, hear hair,
So that'said. He bought a fake rolex off of Amazon.
He totally cares.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
He totally caress cool to not care, but yeah, he cares.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
He bought this fake rolex. It's forty dollars and it's
so shockingly great. I mean it's really really good. It's
like really heavy and nice and yeah, very cool.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I think you may be admitting to a federal offense
harboring a known importer of repbove.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Counterfeit good got it off Amazon. So here's the serious
thing I was going to do, which feels weird now,
But maybe I need transition music in my mind. Have
we ever used transmission? Transmission music is when you shift
from second to third gear, transition music from silly to serious?
Can we do that, Michael?

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, I think this one will work. Actually both ways here.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, you know, you're right.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
We used to have different silly to serious music than
our serious too silly music.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
This is a song, This doesn't work, This is a song.
Same is going to be dancing too. You're in the
fifties when the twist was popular. Nobody can twist awesome.
When there were dances, the monkey, the swim, anything that
you just like, you knew what you're supposed.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
To do with their hands, and it was crossy simple.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, I'm not doing a good job of transitioning to
something serious. This Air Force pilot retired over the weekend
who was involved in nine to eleven. And I had
never heard this story, or I had and I forgot
it because I can hide my own Easter eggs anyway.
This Air Force F sixteen pilot retired over the weekend
after forty years in the Air Force. He his job

was to take out Flight ninety three, the last plane
that was still in the air on nine to eleven.
And I had never heard this story in completion. I
knew that we had scrambled fighter jets and that that
was a possibility. I didn't know this. He's sixty one
years old now. He was in his late thirties at
the time, and him and this other female pilot, Heather Penny,

who was twenty six at the time, were ordered to
go up. This is after you know, two planes that
at the World Trade Center. One it hit the Pentagon
and there was another plane in the air and we
figured it out. And this had all occurred in like seconds,
and this was all happening really really fast, and they
were scrambled and told to go up and what was
the actual phrase, stop it? Their orders were to locate

flight ninety three and stop it. That's all they were told.
So him and this other woman went up, and he
was the guy in charge, and he went up because
he didn't want to ask anybody else to do this,
because he had an idea of how awful this would be.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
They decided him and this woman that if required, they
would hit the hijack plane with their jets, making it
a suicide mission. They were what, Yeah, he said that
we couldn't figure out how to it first because our
fighter jets were not armed with missiles. Oh, we didn't
have any weapons. We were just we just went up
and were told to stop that plane.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh my lord.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I so you hadn't heard this either, I know. So
he and this woman said they they planned to ram
the front of the jetliner and he was gonna hit
it from the front. She was going to hit it
from the back at the same time, flying at you know,
six hundred miles an hour, and that's what they were
going to do. But right before they were already in

the air and screaming toward the plane. Before it happened,
they got word that the plane had gone down. Because
we all know, the passengers took over the plane and
it crashed into the ground and they all died. This guy,
the woman was single and childless. But this dude's I
should give his name. I haven't given his name yet,
have I He's a freaking hero, Mark Sassville. He had

a wife and two young children, ages three and five
at the time. He said, it's a testament to those
people that brought down that plane that changed my life's
family forever.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
He was going to die, wife and two young kids,
going Okay, this is what I have to do.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
He said. He didn't even think about it at the time.
He said, training just kicked in. It all happened so fast.
They were given the order to take down the plane okay,
and he talked to the woman, this is what we'll do.
We'll fly into the plane and it's just all I'm
sure it was happening very very fast.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah yeah, more toxic masculinity from him and her.

Speaker 1 (11:05):

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Wow, that's that's incredible. How many people.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Did those passengers on flight ninety three save, It's a
number that'll never be known.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, were the flight was believed to be headed for?
What the White House?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
That guy was going to say. They're not certain still
on that yet. There were some beliefs that it was
the White House, some that it was the capital. But
either way it was going to be like the Capitol. Yeah, yeah,
either way it was gonna be bad.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, it would be interested to know if he called
his wife prior to getting in that jet.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh, like what you would say from reading just the
short description of there was no time for that. This
was a this is what's happened. There's still a flight
in the air, like a run to the plane, get
in the air and just go and go. Yeah wow.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Or if you read the nine to eleven report, it
was amazing how much confusion there was and trying to
get planes in the air to defend DC or whatever.
There's nobody even knew who to call to suddenly defend
the homeland, and so enormous amounts of time elapsed before
they got like a significant force up in the air.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, somehow, I just happened to see the video the
other day of George Bush reading the reading to those kids,
and the person came and whispered in his ear mister President,
were under attack. I understand why he did this. How
he did it because he was in shock himself. You know.
He says he didn't want to like freak out the kids.

He should have stood up right there and just walked out.
The kids will be fine. The whole America's the whole
country is about to be freaked out. So yeah, waiting
another however many minutes it was before he did anything.
I don't know that was the best choice, but I
can understand. Yeah, that's a lot to comprehend in a
very you know, all of a sudden, sitting in front
of the press. He was sitting there because I just

for some reason, Oh, I was at some more recent
interview where he talks about it. Because now he is
an old man. It's interesting to see the videos of
him now he is an old man, and he was
such a young man at the time. But he is
talking about how he was looking at the back of
the room and seeing all the press. They were all
getting the alerts, so he knew they knew. And that's

a lot to have ridle through your brain at one time.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I actually know a couple of people who know W.
One a little bit, one very very well. He was
in the press office for HW, and then knew W
and his family too, And everybody who knows George W
really really likes him. And this guy who worked for

HW for a number of years, he echoes the impression
I'd always gotten. He said, he's one of the most
honorable and decent people he's ever known.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, well, lots of people say that, which is interesting.
What happened in terms of that are choosing We choose
our candidates, not the way we choose our candidates, and
we don't have any requirements for decency or experience or

really anything mental capacity coherence. Hey, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (14:27):

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Going back to the teenage dance, I was a chaperone
at my first teenage dance, so I wasn't real popular
with the kids, my own age chap, a chaperone. I'm kidding,
but you know, I just think it's a funny idea. Well,
I guess that's it.
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