April 30, 2024 • 10 mins
The question--what would Reagan do regarding the mass of college campus protests over Israel's war with Hamas?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mister Gorbachev Junior, tear down that tent. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm strong Andy, one more thing. I get it. It's
Ronald Reagan related being decisive.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That's right. We featured on the Raudio Show about a
minute and change worth of Ronald Reagan as governor California
in the sixties, talking about the protests that we're tearing
apart the campuses of California.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So, Katie, you're super young. So Ronald Reagan is to
you like Calvin Coolidge, just to me, just an historical figure.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
One that somehow I miss even though I wasn't around.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, So again, we featured some of this audio
on the show, but we thought we'd just let's spin
the whole thing and dig it along with us. Ronald freakin' Reagan,
if you need him.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Most people told you for days in advance that if
the university sought to go ahead with that instruction, they
were going to physically destroy the university.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Why would you negotiate?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Many times, negotiate what is to negotiate? What is the
university's and public institution.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's right, but the university.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Its own community and for the community of Berkeley that
live around.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
All of it began the first time, some of you,
who know better and are old enough to know better,
let young people think that they had the right to
choose the laws they would obey as long as they
were doing it in the name of social protesting. I'm
sick and tired of the argument about whether some effort
to enforce law and order is going to escalate anything
at all. Plain truth of the matter is this has
(01:37):
to stop, and it has to stop like the day
before yesterday. I would like to propose that the issue
is that on the campus is you who are adults,
You who are entrusted with those young people and their guidance,
have a responsibility to make it plain to them from
the very beginning that you yourselves do not tolerate the kind
of conduct that has led to the burning of Wheeler
(01:59):
Hall that has led the two murders on the campus
of UCLA. If you've created an atmosphere on the campus
where tell them wants to listen.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You are a liar.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I have read and I have been questioned since I've
been here about certain demonstrations against my coming, and I
would like to say just one thing, and to those
who demonstrate. So I wonder if they have ever asked
themselves that if they should have the kind of government
(02:28):
they apparently seek, no one would ever be able to
do what they're doing again doing anything. And I have
a feeling that if you check closely on some of
the more militant of those leaders who are advocating violence,
you find that if you settled whatever issue it is
that has them worked up today, they'll be back tomorrow
morning with another issue. But I think the time has
(02:50):
come for them to make a choice and to decide
whether they want to continue to even tolerate these false
prophets in their midst who are, if anything, destroying their
own community. I don't think that's taking to the streets
and rioting and disordered has ever solved anything.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Or ever will.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen
of the welfare state have told us they have a
utopian solution of peace without victory. They call their policy accommodation,
and they say, if we'll only avoid any direct confrontation
with the enemy, he'll forget his evil ways and learn
to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers.
They say, we offer simple answers to complex problems. But
(03:30):
perhaps there is a simple answer. Not an easy answer,
but simple. If you and I have the courage to
tell our elected officials that we want our national policy
based on what we know in our hearts is morally right,
we cannot but buy our security, our freedom from the
threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great
(03:52):
as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind
the iron curtain, give up your dreams of freedom, because
to save our own skins, we're willing to make a
deal with your slave mass. Recently, in some places in
the nation, there's been a disturbing reoccurrence of bigotry and violence.
If I may, from the platform of this organization known
(04:12):
for its tolerance, I would like to address a few
remarks to those groups who still adhere to senseless racism
and religious prejudice, to those individuals who persist in such
hateful behavior. If I were speaking to them instead of
to you, I would say to them, you are the
(04:33):
ones who are out of step with our society. You
are the ones who willfully violate the meaning of the
dream that is America and this country. Because if such
what it stands for will not stand for your conduct.
There are cities in Michigan art shut up.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Can you believe that, long before you were born, a
guy like that could be the two term governor of California.
I mean it's unthinkable now.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
How how far we have just spiraled down, well.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Spiral left. But if you're a leged you think it's up.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Look around you. You're feeling accommodating today, and I encourage that.
It's a beautiful side of you. But down is corracked down.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's a beautiful side of you. Yeah, you look around
and see all the homeless people and whatnot, rampant.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Crime, bums and junkies. Please.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah. One thing Reagan said in there is that protests
have never accomplished anything. That's real damn close to true.
Outside of the Civil rights movement, there's very little to
show for protesting it. Somehow, maybe because of the Civil
rights movement, it's somehow caught on as like a right
of passage for young people and all that sort of stuff,
(05:55):
But that's not what really moves the needle on things.
It gets a lot of media attention, but there's no
concrete evidence of it doing much good. Most of the time, well, good.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
When I was working for for a previous radio station,
I was going to several different protests that were taking
place in the Bay Area. They sent me to Occupy
Oakland when they were doing that whole anarchist thing, and
then you know the BLM stuff that happened.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
There were a couple of other ones, and when I.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Was there, I would ask people what they you know,
why are you here? And I got a different answer
from everybody, And nobody really seemed to have one direct message,
and a lot of it they were just there to
party outside day drinking and it was it was almost
like a get together to hang out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There wasn't a message.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, that's clearly true for a lot of the protesters.
She got crazy violent Marxists, and then a whole bunch
of people that are there to party, and then some
other factions.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I guess right. I think it's probably worth parsing the
very term demonstration. What are you demonstrating, generally speaking, the
popularity of your idea, or at least that's the intent.
I mean, if you're just demonstrating that you're mad about something, A,
I don't care, there aren't many of you, and B
just because you're mad doesn't mean you're right. So you're
(07:14):
ostensibly just demonstrating that you have numbers. There are a
lot of people that agree with me. But if that's
the case, you have to have a coherent message, and
the civil rights movement had an extremely coherent message and
an easy one to understand. These protesters saying Israel needs
to stop bombing Gaza. Okay, if it were merely that,
(07:38):
all right, you know, that's a stance. It's a point
of view. I haven't to disagree with it, but that's
a point of view. But it's way, way, way more
muddled than that, and is overtly pro hamas anti Jew,
anti Zionist, is just pro Marxism. It's completely muddled.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, right, and yeah, and if you're going to start
getting into Jews need to die, then obviously you've lost
any hope of having a majority on your side.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, and the what's the reverse of nut picking, nut ignoring,
nut forgiving. If demonstration on the right takes place and
there are a handful of lunatic racists, white supremacist Nazis, whatever,
the entire thing is tarred with their stupidity. Maybe appropriately,
(08:26):
I don't know, but it's like the opposite now going
on in college campuses, the anti Jewish rhetoric, anti Semitism,
the hatred of the pro Hamas, the pro October seventh
is overt It's a significant percentage of those people, and
still you get the media saying, well, it's mostly peaceful.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Maybe I'm wrong about the politics on this. I don't
think i am, But I'm just surprised that there aren't
more people taking a lead that are on the left.
I think if Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, had
come out with a statement and said, yesterday I saw
that Jewish kid being turned away from class, we will
not tolerate that nostalic state of California. That is a crime,
and it will be punny. I mean, I think that's
a majority win, even in blue blue California.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, send it in the National Guard. Make sure the
Jewish kids can get to school, get to class and
without fear for their lives.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And he could even throw in because he's got to
in California. I stand up for trans rights, I stand
up for African American rights, I stand up for gay rights,
and I stand up for you know, and do that
whole thing. Yeah, that's a majority position.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I can't believe in the year twenty twenty four, I
just had to utter the sentence, we need to do
something so the Jewish kids can get to the classes safely.
I can't believe I'm saying. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I heard a reporter on an MSNBC saying this morning
when I was watching, actually said they were going to
do our Jewish students feeling afraid there. He said, they
aren't feeling afraid. They are afraid, and for good reason.
Said the correspondent on MSNBC at one of the campuses.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That is just so crazy how backwards we've gone.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It is and without like a lot of notice from.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And by our colleges and universities. Right, well, I guess
that's it.
Mister Gorbachev Junior, tear down that tent. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm strong Andy, one more thing. I get it. It's
Ronald Reagan related being decisive.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That's right. We featured on the Raudio Show about a
minute and change worth of Ronald Reagan as governor California
in the sixties, talking about the protests that we're tearing
apart the campuses of California.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So, Katie, you're super young. So Ronald Reagan is to
you like Calvin Coolidge, just to me, just an historical figure.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
One that somehow I miss even though I wasn't around.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, So again, we featured some of this audio
on the show, but we thought we'd just let's spin
the whole thing and dig it along with us. Ronald freakin' Reagan,
if you need him.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Most people told you for days in advance that if
the university sought to go ahead with that instruction, they
were going to physically destroy the university.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Why would you negotiate?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Many times, negotiate what is to negotiate? What is the
university's and public institution.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's right, but the university.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Its own community and for the community of Berkeley that
live around.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
All of it began the first time, some of you,
who know better and are old enough to know better,
let young people think that they had the right to
choose the laws they would obey as long as they
were doing it in the name of social protesting. I'm
sick and tired of the argument about whether some effort
to enforce law and order is going to escalate anything
at all. Plain truth of the matter is this has
(01:37):
to stop, and it has to stop like the day
before yesterday. I would like to propose that the issue
is that on the campus is you who are adults,
You who are entrusted with those young people and their guidance,
have a responsibility to make it plain to them from
the very beginning that you yourselves do not tolerate the kind
of conduct that has led to the burning of Wheeler
(01:59):
Hall that has led the two murders on the campus
of UCLA. If you've created an atmosphere on the campus
where tell them wants to listen.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You are a liar.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I have read and I have been questioned since I've
been here about certain demonstrations against my coming, and I
would like to say just one thing, and to those
who demonstrate. So I wonder if they have ever asked
themselves that if they should have the kind of government
(02:28):
they apparently seek, no one would ever be able to
do what they're doing again doing anything. And I have
a feeling that if you check closely on some of
the more militant of those leaders who are advocating violence,
you find that if you settled whatever issue it is
that has them worked up today, they'll be back tomorrow
morning with another issue. But I think the time has
(02:50):
come for them to make a choice and to decide
whether they want to continue to even tolerate these false
prophets in their midst who are, if anything, destroying their
own community. I don't think that's taking to the streets
and rioting and disordered has ever solved anything.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Or ever will.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen
of the welfare state have told us they have a
utopian solution of peace without victory. They call their policy accommodation,
and they say, if we'll only avoid any direct confrontation
with the enemy, he'll forget his evil ways and learn
to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers.
They say, we offer simple answers to complex problems. But
(03:30):
perhaps there is a simple answer. Not an easy answer,
but simple. If you and I have the courage to
tell our elected officials that we want our national policy
based on what we know in our hearts is morally right,
we cannot but buy our security, our freedom from the
threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great
(03:52):
as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind
the iron curtain, give up your dreams of freedom, because
to save our own skins, we're willing to make a
deal with your slave mass. Recently, in some places in
the nation, there's been a disturbing reoccurrence of bigotry and violence.
If I may, from the platform of this organization known
(04:12):
for its tolerance, I would like to address a few
remarks to those groups who still adhere to senseless racism
and religious prejudice, to those individuals who persist in such
hateful behavior. If I were speaking to them instead of
to you, I would say to them, you are the
(04:33):
ones who are out of step with our society. You
are the ones who willfully violate the meaning of the
dream that is America and this country. Because if such
what it stands for will not stand for your conduct.
There are cities in Michigan art shut up.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Can you believe that, long before you were born, a
guy like that could be the two term governor of California.
I mean it's unthinkable now.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
How how far we have just spiraled down, well.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Spiral left. But if you're a leged you think it's up.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Look around you. You're feeling accommodating today, and I encourage that.
It's a beautiful side of you. But down is corracked down.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's a beautiful side of you. Yeah, you look around
and see all the homeless people and whatnot, rampant.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Crime, bums and junkies. Please.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah. One thing Reagan said in there is that protests
have never accomplished anything. That's real damn close to true.
Outside of the Civil rights movement, there's very little to
show for protesting it. Somehow, maybe because of the Civil
rights movement, it's somehow caught on as like a right
of passage for young people and all that sort of stuff,
(05:55):
But that's not what really moves the needle on things.
It gets a lot of media attention, but there's no
concrete evidence of it doing much good. Most of the time, well, good.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
When I was working for for a previous radio station,
I was going to several different protests that were taking
place in the Bay Area. They sent me to Occupy
Oakland when they were doing that whole anarchist thing, and
then you know the BLM stuff that happened.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
There were a couple of other ones, and when I.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Was there, I would ask people what they you know,
why are you here? And I got a different answer
from everybody, And nobody really seemed to have one direct message,
and a lot of it they were just there to
party outside day drinking and it was it was almost
like a get together to hang out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There wasn't a message.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, that's clearly true for a lot of the protesters.
She got crazy violent Marxists, and then a whole bunch
of people that are there to party, and then some
other factions.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I guess right. I think it's probably worth parsing the
very term demonstration. What are you demonstrating, generally speaking, the
popularity of your idea, or at least that's the intent.
I mean, if you're just demonstrating that you're mad about something, A,
I don't care, there aren't many of you, and B
just because you're mad doesn't mean you're right. So you're
(07:14):
ostensibly just demonstrating that you have numbers. There are a
lot of people that agree with me. But if that's
the case, you have to have a coherent message, and
the civil rights movement had an extremely coherent message and
an easy one to understand. These protesters saying Israel needs
to stop bombing Gaza. Okay, if it were merely that,
(07:38):
all right, you know, that's a stance. It's a point
of view. I haven't to disagree with it, but that's
a point of view. But it's way, way, way more
muddled than that, and is overtly pro hamas anti Jew,
anti Zionist, is just pro Marxism. It's completely muddled.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, right, and yeah, and if you're going to start
getting into Jews need to die, then obviously you've lost
any hope of having a majority on your side.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, and the what's the reverse of nut picking, nut ignoring,
nut forgiving. If demonstration on the right takes place and
there are a handful of lunatic racists, white supremacist Nazis, whatever,
the entire thing is tarred with their stupidity. Maybe appropriately,
(08:26):
I don't know, but it's like the opposite now going
on in college campuses, the anti Jewish rhetoric, anti Semitism,
the hatred of the pro Hamas, the pro October seventh
is overt It's a significant percentage of those people, and
still you get the media saying, well, it's mostly peaceful.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Maybe I'm wrong about the politics on this. I don't
think i am, But I'm just surprised that there aren't
more people taking a lead that are on the left.
I think if Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, had
come out with a statement and said, yesterday I saw
that Jewish kid being turned away from class, we will
not tolerate that nostalic state of California. That is a crime,
and it will be punny. I mean, I think that's
a majority win, even in blue blue California.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, send it in the National Guard. Make sure the
Jewish kids can get to school, get to class and
without fear for their lives.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And he could even throw in because he's got to
in California. I stand up for trans rights, I stand
up for African American rights, I stand up for gay rights,
and I stand up for you know, and do that
whole thing. Yeah, that's a majority position.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I can't believe in the year twenty twenty four, I
just had to utter the sentence, we need to do
something so the Jewish kids can get to the classes safely.
I can't believe I'm saying. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I heard a reporter on an MSNBC saying this morning
when I was watching, actually said they were going to
do our Jewish students feeling afraid there. He said, they
aren't feeling afraid. They are afraid, and for good reason.
Said the correspondent on MSNBC at one of the campuses.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That is just so crazy how backwards we've gone.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It is and without like a lot of notice from.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And by our colleges and universities. Right, well, I guess
that's it.
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