June 24, 2024 • 12 mins
First, violent fundamentalists are back. Next, a chilling, pre-9/11 video has surfaced. Finally, Dr. Jack breaks-down the new thinking about Quantum Physics!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's back. It's one more thing. I'm strong and Geddi
one more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's a rather light intro.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Do you remember nine to eleven?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't approve, yes, I remember nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Do you remember nineteen seventy nine in Iran? In the
hostages and a whole bunch of other things in between.
Fundamentalist violent Islamists are back and they are feistier than ever.
So we got this story out of Russia that happened
(00:40):
over the weekend. If you haven't heard this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This was a serious coordinated terror attack in Dagistan in
southern Russia. Multiple heavily armed gunman appeared to have simultaneously
attacked two churches and two synagogues in the regional capital,
Mahtchkela and in another city's events a synagogue also Inflames
authority we say at least nine people were killed, seven
of them police officers, as well as an Orthodox priest,
(01:05):
and another dozen police officers also injured.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Now police say they have now killed at least six attackers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
This is one of the biggest attacks in years, and
it will be raising questions whether Russia's security forces are
overstretched by the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Fundamentalist Islamic nutjobs open fire on a church, a synagogue,
and a police checkpoint in two cities in the southern province,
killed more than nineteen police officers and several civilians along
with an Orthodox priest. Russia's predominantly Muslim and southernmost province
(01:38):
has been the site of many Islamist attacks.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I'm far from an expert on Dagistan, good Lord,
but the whole Islamic group attacks, I think there are
three brands of it. Number One, Islamist groups that are
trying to bring about the caliphate and the glory of
(02:02):
the prophet and just kill people to take over to
spread Islam. Then you've got the armed thug gangs who
use Islam as kind of a hook and a recruiting tool.
And then you've got the situation where and you've seen
this a fair mountain Chechhnia and Dagystan, other places in
the southern part of the Soviet Union now Russia where
(02:25):
they're kind of political separatist movements that also have an
Islamic flare to them. They're really resentful that an atheist
like Putin makes them dance to his tune. So Islam
is mixed in there. But it's kind of a different
degree anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, like, where do you put a Ran in Hamas?
I mean, they are do they believe what they're saying
that the Jews need to die and Israel needs to go.
But they're they're getting you know, the leadership in Hamas,
they're getting awful rich off of this.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah there is oh, yeah, that's true. But the people
who do the killing, the rank and file, I believe
there's yeah, plenty of vehement Islamism going on in that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. I just wonder if the guys in the hotels
in Dubai believe any of that stuff or care. They
just like living in five star hotels and riding around
the Mercedes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, that's an interesting question. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know either. But then this story that came
out over the weekend, and this is troubling. This deserves
way more attention. Mike Morell, former number two at the CIA,
guy I've had a lot of trouble with over the
many years he was in the Clinton administration. Goes that
far back. He's one of the former spooks who signed
(03:38):
that letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop has all the
hallmarks of Russian disinformation. So he's that kind of guy,
and he's never apologized for it. But he's also, over
the many years, as I've watched him on so many
different shows, often had some damned interesting information that ran
counter to sometimes his side's beliefs. Anyway, he was talking
(04:01):
about this video that I forget how it got on Earthed.
Maybe he mentions this in the clip videos out of
a Saudi obviously casing sites in DC for the nine
to eleven attack. Let's listen to listen to Mike Morrell
on Face the Nation.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
No doubt in my mind that it is a casing video,
that it is a casing video for some sort of
terrorist attack. Number one, number two. Pretty clear to me
that al Bayoumi was was either working for al Qaeda
or was al Qaeda. Did he know about the nine
(04:38):
to eleven attacks? Probably not. Did he know that the
two individuals he was interacting with were nine to eleven hijackers?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Probably not.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
But no doubt in my mind that al Qaeda tasked
him to do this casing video.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
This, well, I'll let I'll let Morell do this. Main
thing he doesn't mention, Narre, I'll fill in. Here's more.
The video is billing.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's chilling in terms of what he was, what he
was videotaping, his narration over the top of it, which
which is part what tells you was a casing video,
and his his his extremist comments. Let me just give
you two examples, Margaret on on the casing part. At
one point he says, I will get over he's looking
(05:22):
at the Washington Monument. I will get over there and
I will report. I will report to you in detail.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What is there.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
He's talking to somebody, right, he's and and he talks
about a pelis not like a tourist video. And then
in terms of the extremism he's he's he's looking at
the Capitol and he says, they say that our kids
are demons. However, these are the demons what he's looking at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So that guy believes it. He believes the Islamic fundamentalist
job stuff there. Obviously, so was he. So he's a
Saudi and he now lives in Saudi Arabia. The brill
the Bridge had this video of him case in the place,
gave it to the FBI, and then it just disappeared
(06:07):
in the inner works of the FBI. Was that a
we didn't want it a really you know, that uncomfortable
thing that happened in the beginning when it turned out, hey,
all these hijackers are from Saudi Arabia, are like eighteen
of the twenty one or whatever, and we you know
out Sada Arabia's a friend of ours. So did we
just let that get lost in the FBI bureaucracy so
(06:29):
that we wouldn't have another layer of this is uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I think everything you've said is one hundred percent true.
Starting with the Bush administration, they said, look, the Saudis
are a strategic partner in the Middle East for a
variety of goals. These were dissidents that they were way
too easy on, mostly even though some of the quote
unquote dissidents were awfully close to the halls of power.
I'm sure there were behind the scenes assurances from the
(06:56):
Saudis that this s ends now, but do not embarrass it,
and the Bush administration subsequent administrations agreed.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So Morell doesn't believe this guy knew the guys that
he was helping were hijackers or anything about the nine
to eleven plot. So was he part of a completely
separate plot with some other people that was planned, and
after nine to eleven happened, for whatever reason, they canceled
it or got him out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
No, I would guess it's kind of violent revolutionary cell
one oh one. He is tasked with a very specific task,
with no information why he's doing it or what it's
going to lead to, or the names of anybody else
or whatever. He segment everything so put it in micro
cells so nobody can report on anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
O way, what a weird relationship we have with Saudi Arabia,
of course, what a weird relationship that MBS has with
the craziest people in his country.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's and a lot of us learn this
in the wake of nine to eleven, especially, But he
lets the fundamentalists operate in the hinter lands more or
less unmolested. In return, they won't attack the regime.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
If you have any interest in that, read The Looming
Tower by Lawrence Wright. Fascinating it is, indeed.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah. Yeah, there's so many great books I've got piled
up to read. I don't spend hardly any time reading books,
and I really need to, including audio books. I've got
a stack, and then I've got a stack of books.
I really ought to reread.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Audiobooks are the greatest thing. Accessibility to affordable audio books
is the greatest thing that's happened to my reading in
a long time. Love it, Love it, Love it because
it's a lot easier for me to listen to a
book while I'm walking the dog, doing the dishes, running
to pick up the kids from football practice, all that
(08:51):
sort of stuff, then sit there with a book in
my hands and actually look at the words. Come on
a quantum mechanics kick right now? With a book? Oh wow,
so damned interesting. I finally came across one that explains
it in a way I think I understand it. Well,
actually I don't understand it. That's a famous quote from
which of the famous physicists that was involved in discovering
(09:12):
all this thing, Neil's boor maybe him. But anybody who
says they understand quantum mechanics doesn't understand quantum mechanics, and
he invented it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
How many me mechanics does it take to fix a
quantum huh?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah? Anyway, as I learned more about that, I'll try
to present that an understandable way.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I do love How do you think it'll compare
to your presentations on say cryptocurrency, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Way way better, way way better. I still don't understand
cryptocurrency at all and really have not much interest in learning,
but yeah, way better on quantum mechanics.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, good for you. I've always been so completely mystified
by that stuff. I figure, ah, I got limited bandwidth.
I'll focus on other things.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well. Fineman, the other physicist from the Oppenheimer movie, he
famously said he is the father of the leading edge
of quantum mechanics. When he died, he said, nobody understands
quantum mechanics. So the people that discovered this stuff and
wrote about it say, it's impossible to understand.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, what would be your one to three sentence description
of what is quantum mechanics?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, first of all, they just think that it's provable,
that exit that it exists, but trying to understand the
why and what of it and everything like that. When
you get inside an atom. They still teach us to
this day that the atom is basically like its own
little solar system, and you got the you know, the
planet that is the nucleus, and the electrons going around
(10:40):
like the planets and everything like that. But the quantum
mechanics theory is it's not like that at all. And
these things operate in ways that defy everything we know
about physics in the universe. They defy gravity, they defy
time and space. They disappear and show up there without
any way of figuring it out. How it's it's just
it's a breakdown and everything everybody believes about physics.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And what about neutrons, Why won't they take a position cowardice?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's why, and that's why Einstein didn't didn't like it,
and was he argued so forcefully against it was Look
until you can come up with like a mathematical formula
that explains this, then what are we doing here but
the other And he seems to have lost the day.
The people that have won the day over the years,
Fineman and Neil's Bourne those is just no, it's it.
(11:26):
We can see it. We have microscopes at this point.
We can we can see that. But they defy the
laws that Newton came up with of all those things
I just mentioned, And what the hell does that mean
about the world if there's something going on.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Neil's Borr renamed himself Neil Boortz and started pushing the
flat tax if I recall properly.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But if if if at the smallest level, things don't
behave following any of the laws of nature, what does
that mean? Some people think that is is the the
proof that, okay, there is something like God and the
whole nother world that we can't see in all these
different things. Some people say it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To quote the great physicist Don Henley, thinking of myself,
she just looked at me uncomprehendingly, like a cow at
a passing train. That's how I get when you're talking
about quantum physics. I've always loved that line.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm currently listening to an audiobook on why CB radio failed.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, why, good buddy, why, I guess that's it.
It's back. It's one more thing. I'm strong and Geddi
one more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's a rather light intro.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Do you remember nine to eleven?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't approve, yes, I remember nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Do you remember nineteen seventy nine in Iran? In the
hostages and a whole bunch of other things in between.
Fundamentalist violent Islamists are back and they are feistier than ever.
So we got this story out of Russia that happened
(00:40):
over the weekend. If you haven't heard this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This was a serious coordinated terror attack in Dagistan in
southern Russia. Multiple heavily armed gunman appeared to have simultaneously
attacked two churches and two synagogues in the regional capital,
Mahtchkela and in another city's events a synagogue also Inflames
authority we say at least nine people were killed, seven
of them police officers, as well as an Orthodox priest,
(01:05):
and another dozen police officers also injured.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Now police say they have now killed at least six attackers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
This is one of the biggest attacks in years, and
it will be raising questions whether Russia's security forces are
overstretched by the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Fundamentalist Islamic nutjobs open fire on a church, a synagogue,
and a police checkpoint in two cities in the southern province,
killed more than nineteen police officers and several civilians along
with an Orthodox priest. Russia's predominantly Muslim and southernmost province
(01:38):
has been the site of many Islamist attacks.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I'm far from an expert on Dagistan, good Lord,
but the whole Islamic group attacks, I think there are
three brands of it. Number One, Islamist groups that are
trying to bring about the caliphate and the glory of
(02:02):
the prophet and just kill people to take over to
spread Islam. Then you've got the armed thug gangs who
use Islam as kind of a hook and a recruiting tool.
And then you've got the situation where and you've seen
this a fair mountain Chechhnia and Dagystan, other places in
the southern part of the Soviet Union now Russia where
(02:25):
they're kind of political separatist movements that also have an
Islamic flare to them. They're really resentful that an atheist
like Putin makes them dance to his tune. So Islam
is mixed in there. But it's kind of a different
degree anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, like, where do you put a Ran in Hamas?
I mean, they are do they believe what they're saying
that the Jews need to die and Israel needs to go.
But they're they're getting you know, the leadership in Hamas,
they're getting awful rich off of this.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah there is oh, yeah, that's true. But the people
who do the killing, the rank and file, I believe
there's yeah, plenty of vehement Islamism going on in that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. I just wonder if the guys in the hotels
in Dubai believe any of that stuff or care. They
just like living in five star hotels and riding around
the Mercedes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, that's an interesting question. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know either. But then this story that came
out over the weekend, and this is troubling. This deserves
way more attention. Mike Morell, former number two at the CIA,
guy I've had a lot of trouble with over the
many years he was in the Clinton administration. Goes that
far back. He's one of the former spooks who signed
(03:38):
that letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop has all the
hallmarks of Russian disinformation. So he's that kind of guy,
and he's never apologized for it. But he's also, over
the many years, as I've watched him on so many
different shows, often had some damned interesting information that ran
counter to sometimes his side's beliefs. Anyway, he was talking
(04:01):
about this video that I forget how it got on Earthed.
Maybe he mentions this in the clip videos out of
a Saudi obviously casing sites in DC for the nine
to eleven attack. Let's listen to listen to Mike Morrell
on Face the Nation.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
No doubt in my mind that it is a casing video,
that it is a casing video for some sort of
terrorist attack. Number one, number two. Pretty clear to me
that al Bayoumi was was either working for al Qaeda
or was al Qaeda. Did he know about the nine
(04:38):
to eleven attacks? Probably not. Did he know that the
two individuals he was interacting with were nine to eleven hijackers?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Probably not.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
But no doubt in my mind that al Qaeda tasked
him to do this casing video.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
This, well, I'll let I'll let Morell do this. Main
thing he doesn't mention, Narre, I'll fill in. Here's more.
The video is billing.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's chilling in terms of what he was, what he
was videotaping, his narration over the top of it, which
which is part what tells you was a casing video,
and his his his extremist comments. Let me just give
you two examples, Margaret on on the casing part. At
one point he says, I will get over he's looking
(05:22):
at the Washington Monument. I will get over there and
I will report. I will report to you in detail.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What is there.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
He's talking to somebody, right, he's and and he talks
about a pelis not like a tourist video. And then
in terms of the extremism he's he's he's looking at
the Capitol and he says, they say that our kids
are demons. However, these are the demons what he's looking at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So that guy believes it. He believes the Islamic fundamentalist
job stuff there. Obviously, so was he. So he's a
Saudi and he now lives in Saudi Arabia. The brill
the Bridge had this video of him case in the place,
gave it to the FBI, and then it just disappeared
(06:07):
in the inner works of the FBI. Was that a
we didn't want it a really you know, that uncomfortable
thing that happened in the beginning when it turned out, hey,
all these hijackers are from Saudi Arabia, are like eighteen
of the twenty one or whatever, and we you know
out Sada Arabia's a friend of ours. So did we
just let that get lost in the FBI bureaucracy so
(06:29):
that we wouldn't have another layer of this is uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I think everything you've said is one hundred percent true.
Starting with the Bush administration, they said, look, the Saudis
are a strategic partner in the Middle East for a
variety of goals. These were dissidents that they were way
too easy on, mostly even though some of the quote
unquote dissidents were awfully close to the halls of power.
I'm sure there were behind the scenes assurances from the
(06:56):
Saudis that this s ends now, but do not embarrass it,
and the Bush administration subsequent administrations agreed.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So Morell doesn't believe this guy knew the guys that
he was helping were hijackers or anything about the nine
to eleven plot. So was he part of a completely
separate plot with some other people that was planned, and
after nine to eleven happened, for whatever reason, they canceled
it or got him out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
No, I would guess it's kind of violent revolutionary cell
one oh one. He is tasked with a very specific task,
with no information why he's doing it or what it's
going to lead to, or the names of anybody else
or whatever. He segment everything so put it in micro
cells so nobody can report on anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
O way, what a weird relationship we have with Saudi Arabia,
of course, what a weird relationship that MBS has with
the craziest people in his country.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's and a lot of us learn this
in the wake of nine to eleven, especially, But he
lets the fundamentalists operate in the hinter lands more or
less unmolested. In return, they won't attack the regime.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
If you have any interest in that, read The Looming
Tower by Lawrence Wright. Fascinating it is, indeed.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah. Yeah, there's so many great books I've got piled
up to read. I don't spend hardly any time reading books,
and I really need to, including audio books. I've got
a stack, and then I've got a stack of books.
I really ought to reread.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Audiobooks are the greatest thing. Accessibility to affordable audio books
is the greatest thing that's happened to my reading in
a long time. Love it, Love it, Love it because
it's a lot easier for me to listen to a
book while I'm walking the dog, doing the dishes, running
to pick up the kids from football practice, all that
(08:51):
sort of stuff, then sit there with a book in
my hands and actually look at the words. Come on
a quantum mechanics kick right now? With a book? Oh wow,
so damned interesting. I finally came across one that explains
it in a way I think I understand it. Well,
actually I don't understand it. That's a famous quote from
which of the famous physicists that was involved in discovering
(09:12):
all this thing, Neil's boor maybe him. But anybody who
says they understand quantum mechanics doesn't understand quantum mechanics, and
he invented it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
How many me mechanics does it take to fix a
quantum huh?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah? Anyway, as I learned more about that, I'll try
to present that an understandable way.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I do love How do you think it'll compare
to your presentations on say cryptocurrency, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Way way better, way way better. I still don't understand
cryptocurrency at all and really have not much interest in learning,
but yeah, way better on quantum mechanics.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, good for you. I've always been so completely mystified
by that stuff. I figure, ah, I got limited bandwidth.
I'll focus on other things.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well. Fineman, the other physicist from the Oppenheimer movie, he
famously said he is the father of the leading edge
of quantum mechanics. When he died, he said, nobody understands
quantum mechanics. So the people that discovered this stuff and
wrote about it say, it's impossible to understand.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, what would be your one to three sentence description
of what is quantum mechanics?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, first of all, they just think that it's provable,
that exit that it exists, but trying to understand the
why and what of it and everything like that. When
you get inside an atom. They still teach us to
this day that the atom is basically like its own
little solar system, and you got the you know, the
planet that is the nucleus, and the electrons going around
(10:40):
like the planets and everything like that. But the quantum
mechanics theory is it's not like that at all. And
these things operate in ways that defy everything we know
about physics in the universe. They defy gravity, they defy
time and space. They disappear and show up there without
any way of figuring it out. How it's it's just
it's a breakdown and everything everybody believes about physics.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And what about neutrons, Why won't they take a position cowardice?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's why, and that's why Einstein didn't didn't like it,
and was he argued so forcefully against it was Look
until you can come up with like a mathematical formula
that explains this, then what are we doing here but
the other And he seems to have lost the day.
The people that have won the day over the years,
Fineman and Neil's Bourne those is just no, it's it.
(11:26):
We can see it. We have microscopes at this point.
We can we can see that. But they defy the
laws that Newton came up with of all those things
I just mentioned, And what the hell does that mean
about the world if there's something going on.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Neil's Borr renamed himself Neil Boortz and started pushing the
flat tax if I recall properly.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But if if if at the smallest level, things don't
behave following any of the laws of nature, what does
that mean? Some people think that is is the the
proof that, okay, there is something like God and the
whole nother world that we can't see in all these
different things. Some people say it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To quote the great physicist Don Henley, thinking of myself,
she just looked at me uncomprehendingly, like a cow at
a passing train. That's how I get when you're talking
about quantum physics. I've always loved that line.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm currently listening to an audiobook on why CB radio failed.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, why, good buddy, why, I guess that's it.
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