November 22, 2021 • 49 mins
Now that Dean and Jared are back from Ben’s wedding, everyone wants to know when Dean is tying the knot! What would Dean say if… Caelynn proposed to him?? Something might be in the works…
And to ring in the holiday season, we hang with Amanda and Markelle from HBO Max’s “12 Dates of Christmas”. This dating show is MUCH different than The Bachelor, and we find out everything that goes down!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hell I Suck At Dating with Dengler and Jared Haven
and I heard radio podcast What is going On? Everyone?
Welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck
At Dating. We are in luck today because we finally
get Jared back with us this week. Jared, Hey, welcome
(00:22):
back to the podcast. Man Hey, no anytime, Dean, thanks
for having me. Really appreciate it's a great podcast to
be a part of. Uh. Sorry, I've been a little
m I A. This coffee shop has been extremely overwhelming
and time consuming and stressful. And then I had two
weddings go to last week, one of which was supposed
to be with you, but you had the flu. But
you're a good man and you stayed away from everybody,
(00:43):
and uh, but it's it's been time consuming. I was
told that Kalen thought that you were making you thought
I was making a political statement with the mask. No,
I thought you forgot your um your vaccine card because
they were checking everybody's vaccine card. And I was like, oh,
maybe if you're not vactually you have you don't have
to wear a mask. I didn't know because then I
just walked in and I saw you with a mask on.
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The only person in the entire ceremony, the only person.
And I was like, well, he's definitely vaccinated. I know this,
And then I thought to myself, maybe he just forgot
his vaccine card and they're they're saying he has to
wear a mask. But then I later found out that
you had the flu. You tested positive for the flu,
so everybody knew it was but you still felt like
you wanted to wear a mask, and then you didn't
even go to the reception. You just went to the ceremony. Yeah,
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I had. I would have feel a certain amount of
guilty if I got anyone sick in any capacity, especially
like in the state of height and awareness we're in
right now, and uh, you know, there's some older people
at the wedding, so like even the flu, I feel
it could be a pretty serious thing for someone like
that to get. So I just figured I didn't want
to miss the ceremony, and I'm glad I didn't. It
was beautiful, Benn and Jess looked great together. But then
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I was like, well, I just don't feel comfortable going
to the You don't want to be the guy coughing
throughout the entire night. Yeah, you see that TikTok, where
like some guy said he used to cover up his
farts with a cough and now he covers up his right. Well,
it was interesting too because I got tested the day
before the wedding for COVID. I like went in just
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to make sure it wasn't COVID and uh, I was
like going over my symptoms and they're like, well, hey,
what does that time you got the flu vaccine? And
I was like, I don't think I've gotten that in
over a decade. So they're like, oh, we're gonna test
for that too, And it's just funny how we get
all like, you know, getting this COVID vaccine and I
haven't gotten a flu vaccine and lord knows how long.
So I guess at the end of the day, like
I'm happy it was only the fluid and not COVID,
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but um, yeah, it's kind of bummer to Mr Reception.
But so before Ben's wedding, you were at your best
friend's wedding. You said, yeah, so the girl that signed
me up to be on the show, our name is Crystal.
She's my best friend and one of my and her
fiance is one of my closest friends as well. And
they got married down and Cancoon. Dude, I've had two
weddings all years, November twelfth and thirteen. And it's funny
actually because the my friends who got married Kancoon was
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supposed to get married on Saturday November, but the bride
of excuse me, the mother of the groom uh is
very religious and she's like, I don't want my son
married on the thirteen. I don't know. There's some bad
luck obviously involved in that, or hopefully not for Ben
and Jess, But so they moved it to Friday the twelfth,
which worked out well for me because even though it
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was back to back, at least I got to a
ten boat. So it was really nice. And Ben and
Jess's wedding was awesome. Um dude, a lot of people
for her to people, but it was so nice seeing everybody,
like I forgot moving back home and being like closer
to my you know family. It's like, you know, made
me forget that I have you know you guys in
other parts of the country that is so much like
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family to me. You know, it's really great. I wish
we could hang out more. I haven't seen you in forever.
I haven't seen you since Ben's bachelor party, but like
seeing Nick and Chris Souls who I haven't seen in years, Um,
Sean Booth and obviously Ben, who I got spiked to
for like three seconds. Um who else? Did I mean? Nas? Obviously?
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Uh time was there Michael g Becca like people I
just haven't seen, Like, dude, I haven't seen Tanya. I
don't know. I might have been pre pandemic. Yeah, well,
and we're supposed to go to nap together, right, and
then that got canceled. So there were like it's weak
because there were a lot of things for us all
to meet up at, but just like one by one
they're like, you know what, actually we're gonna cancel this.
We're gonna cancel this. So yeah, it was nice seeing
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everybody I didn't dude, Klin was a champ by the way,
because Klin obviously had to attend the reception by yourself
because you were sick, and like, I put myself in
those shoes. If I if my like, if if Ashley
couldn't be there because she was sick and I was
at the reception by myself, I don't know, I would
feel like kind of weird and I might have left early.
But dude, she was there the entire night. She was mingling,
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she was social. I was like, Klein, you are a champion,
because if it was me, I probably would have left early. Yeah.
It was funny, I because I left probably like five thirties,
So I was at home by six like basically went
straight to bed. And Calyn when I left, she was like, yeah,
like I'll be like, you know, an hour behind you whatever.
So I like, go home, go to bed, wake up
at like seven thirty, still no Kalin, wake up at
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eight thirty, still Macalin, wake up at nine thirty. And
I'm like starting to worry because she was pretty adamant
about like getting out of there pretty early. Um, and
I like didn't text or didn't receive any text or
anything like that from her. But then eventually she walks
in at like twelve thirty in the morning, and I'm like,
I can't believe, because she made it all the way
to the end. I don't even know if you you
guys made it to the end. But they eventually sent
shuttles to send everyone back to their hotels and stuff.
So she stayed until the very very last moment, which
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I'm proud of her for Yeah, you're right, because it's
a lot to uh to. It's a it's a heavy,
not a heavy atmosphere, but like it's atmosphere like you're
at someone's wedding. They have all their friends and family
members there, and then like especially Klin, I'm sure knows
a lot of people from Bachelor, but not everybody that
was there, So I'm sure she had to introduce herself
and start conversation and be social with people that she's
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not used to meeting, and then also trying to spend
times with the people that she actually is friends with,
like Natalie Um and so yeah, dude, good for her.
You know what's funny is that you I love how
you were, like, you know, around eight thirty, I was
starting to get really worried. I mean I didn't text
or call or anything, and then she walked into the
door like twelve thirty, So four hours later after you
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said you were concerned, you still hadn't reached out. You know,
I was like it was like in a in a
haze because I was like in and out of sleep,
and I like, obviously she's fine taking care of herself.
She was with Nick because we got her place with
Nick in Ittaly as well. So if they got if
Nick and Natali had gotten back and Caitlin still wasn't back,
then I would have like done something, but I was
I was fine with uh kind of everything I was
going on, I guess, but I want to know more
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about your situation. So you went to this wedding on
Friday in Mexico and then Saturday, what like Saturday, like
six am or something, you caught a flight out to Nashville. Yeah,
so I flew into Cancoon on Wednesday. Uh, flew out.
The rehearsal German was Thursday. Wedding was Friday. Flew out
Saturday morning. The car picked me up at six am
and then I flew out at nine into Houston. Had
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to lay over for an hour, and then from Houston
to Nashville, and then I got in around two, drove
back to the hotel, and then went to the ceremony
for four So it was a very busy, busy few days,
but it was also really nice. Both weddings were were
awesome in their different ways. Because the one down in Cancoon,
I was obviously in the party, so I was hanging
out with the groom all day and we had they
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had like a golf SIMI later down there. So we
did that and then we're just hanging to my room
and took pictures and got ready. He had a small party.
It was only me and his future brother in law
and then obviously the groom, and then they had it
on the beach and it was really beautiful and the
reception was on the water as well, and it was
just great to be there and to see them get married,
and they're just he's like such a mushball. He so
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he cried when he saw his wife Crystal walk down
the aisle, and he's just like such a such a sap.
So that was really cool to be there. And then
of course going to Ben and Jess's were like this,
it's this over the top romantic, you know, uh, busy
wedding with four hundred people there and you know, Ben
had what like fifteen groomsmen. It was really funny seeing
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them all walk down the aisle because we were sitting
next to former producers of the batchloor one producer still
in one former producer, and they were like, well, there's
the next season's cast of The Bachelorette right there. Uh yeah.
It made me like a little insecure to be honest
with you, like Ben has so many friends, like close
friends where he wants fifteen groomsmen, and I'm like I
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would struggle picking out like five people to be in
my wedding party. You know. Oh it started making me think,
like where do I line up in the friendship of Ben?
Because I think you were like good friends, you know,
and not not like the room has been level. But
I was like, oh damn, maybe like I'm like thirty
second closest to Ben right now, where I thought I
was like in the high teens. Yeah, that's exactly how
I felt too, which I mean, look, I guess Ben
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is like one of the most popular and sociable guys.
I know I said more props to him, but yeah,
it definitely lent to a little bit of insecurity feeling
just because I was like, dude, if if and when
I get married, like what am I gonna do? I'm
not gonna have twelve grooms been up there and I
know not like it's not a competition when it comes
to that kind of stuff, But you can't help put
like size yourself up a little bit, you know. But
you said you had a lot, you had like eight
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grooms been what I have like eight to Yeah, I
had something like eight, but Ashley had the same number.
We wanted to kind of keep it close. But I also,
like everybody obviously in the party, I wanted to be
a part of the of the day and be a
grinsman in the wedding. And oh, well, I was gonna say,
you brought up something. Oh you said if and when
you get married, that feels like, uh, the needle has moved,
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Like that's a different tone when I just, uh, it's
more just I'm choosing my words a little more carefully
these days. You know. I think part of the reason
I always get in trouble with that kind of stuff
is because I speak so matter of factly. So if
I say, oh, yeah, I'm never getting married, then people
take me for my word, which I guess I appreciate
them taking me for my word, but uh, it just
gives me more avenues to get away with things. And then,
(09:43):
because if you say you'll never get married, there's gonna
be us weekly headline saying trouble in Paradise, Dean Unglert
says he'll never marry Kaylin Miller keys. Yeah. So now
so I'm just I'm just starting to choose my words
a little more carefully that if and when statement. It's like,
you know, it kind of gives me an out, it
makes it makes it less headline grabby. All right, so
the question becomes Dean, Now you have been to multiple
(10:06):
weddings with Klin. I'm sure she's getting more fever as
the years go on. So how's your is I I
just said the needle felt like it moved? Has it moved?
Are you more towards like, hey, let's get married? Oh? Yeah? Well,
so we sat next to Derek Paith and Saffron his
fiance at the wedding, and Saffron I had never met.
(10:26):
So Saffron asked me if we're married, because I've got
the ring on my finger obviously, and I gave her
my usual, you know, nonsensical dean answer. Be it as
it may, maybe maybe not. I don't know, you know,
what is marriage? What is life? Yeah? I said, as
far as the government's concerned, No, as far as our
hearts are concerned. Yes, um, and then calin like leans
over and she goes will be engaged by two trust
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me or something like that. So well, I was gonna say,
two you got about forty five days left if that
was happen, Yeah, but I don't know, Like I don't
know if she's speaking for me or if she's saying
that she's gonna propose to me, which I made it
pretty clear to her, and I was like, you know,
if you really want to get married, you should be
the one proposing to me. Uh. So, I think she's
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got something and it works for that, which I think
it's pretty cool. You know, maybe we could do like
a dual thing. But uh, I mean, yeah, I guess
it's kind of the fallback or not the fallback. The
one of the negatives about going all these weddings is
it gets your girlfriend in a mood to get married. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean I guess, you know, give it,
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give us twelve months, twelve thirteen months, and we'll have something,
something a little more formal on the books. But two,
we're gonna find out big year for Dean and Kalin.
We're thinking make your break here Calin proposes. That would
be freaking awesome. I mean, that would be the most
Dean and Kalen thing of all time. Where she was like,
well he was taken too damn long. So I had
to get on one day. Yeah, yeah, it would probably
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be like, uh, she would probably do it and I
would and then I would probably do it, or like
it'll probably happened for both of it. I don't know,
you know, So what would you say? Uh? Well, I
would laugh at first, obviously, I probably I'd probably get
around to say and yes at some point. Yeah, just
you obviously make her sweat it out a little bit, like, well,
you know, I do love my van life. And uh
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I did say I never wanted to get married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I make yourself out a little bit, I will say. Though,
I'm impressed by her. She not well she's always been
like this, but more so lately in the past like
six months or so, she like, you know, she gets
an idea, she says she's gonna do something, and she
uh it takes a lot less convincing to do it
(12:38):
than in times past, whereas now she's just like ghoest
for it, you know what I mean. So, so kudos
to her. We'll see if what happens. Um it sounds
to me like she is actually gonna make it happen.
So that's so I'm saying. Good for Kalin. She's a badass. Yeah,
putting up with your ass for all these years. Now
she's going to propose to you. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,
I've got some stuff in the works. I don't want
(12:59):
to spoil anything, but you know, maybe when when it happens,
we'll we'll all be able to weigh in on the situation. Yeah. Well,
you obviously just have to tell the story on the
podcast after it happens. That's all. That's the deal, right there. Yeah, yeah, true. Um,
I actually had something else I wanted to talk about
as well. I can't remember. Um, all right, well, why
do you think of it? I want to tease our guests.
We have two very special guests that are coming up
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after the break, which will take in a few minutes
from the new HBO Max Uh show Twelve Dates of Christmas,
which of course returns for its second season starts Thursday, November,
and from the show, we have Amanda Grace, Jenkings and
Marquelle Smith. So we're very excited to talk to them,
especially we're getting in the holiday season. Twelve Days of Christmas,
Twelve Dates of Christmas, excuse me, come back for a
(13:42):
second season. So excited to talk to them. I do
have something to talk about if you can't think of anything, Dan,
what I can't think about what you were going to say? Um,
I think I remembered what I wanted to say, but
it just does not maybe the time or place for it,
So feel free to what do you want to talk about?
I was gonna talk about the Pete Davidson thing. What's
the update with Pete Davidson. Well, obviously he's dating Kim Kardashian,
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which is still the craziest I've ever heard of. I
can't believe Pete Davidson is dating Kim Kardashian. That's insane
to me. Good for him, and I hope they're happy.
But the one thing I did want to talk about
was he actually revealed his major dating deal breaker, which
gives me two thoughts which I'll go into in a second.
And it's something that Cosmopolitan, which is what the article
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is on, agrees with and I wholeheartedly agree with, because
he says that his deal breaker is when he goes
on a date and the person he's on the date
with is treating the wait staff for bartenders poorly. That's
a big no note in his book quote immediately would
be over in my head. I would be like, Okay,
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never again. That is it. He said that was his
one deal breaker, and I could not agree more. As
someone who's worked in the restaurant industry all of my life, dude,
I've always said it should be a college requirement for
people to work in the service industry because it teaches
you a lot about how to deal with society, how
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to be kind to one another, how to be patient
with someone when you have to wait on someone and
clean up after them and serve them food. It like
teaches you, I truly think, how to just be a
better person. Yeah. I agree, you treat your white staff poorly.
That's ah, that's a big red flag. I do want
to point out this article real quick. Um, I hate
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these articles from places like The News, US Weekly, People Magazine,
all that stuff. Uh. For the record, the people listening
obviously can't see the article we're referring to. It's basically
just uh, encapsulating Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson's officially dating relationship. Now.
But you scroll down eventually and you get you get
to these sentences where it's saying like Kim isn't looking
(15:46):
today strictly, She's just really enjoying her life right now,
per a source that told E News. And it's that
stuff that really just makes me so frustrated, like probably
rationally so. A source told this news junket that they're
that Kim is just having the time of her life.
No one told, no one close to Kim is telling
you news that Kim's just having the time of her
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life with Pete Davidson right now. And I know for
a fact because there have been many articles written about me,
probably something about you, Kaylin where they're like, according to
a source very close to E News, Dean and Kaylin
are on rocky waters right now. And it's just like,
no one told you guys that we're not on rocky waters.
Like you're just making crap up just so you have
like something to write about. So I'm sure Kim and
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Pete are doing great. But when I read things like
at the time a source told this you know news outlet,
in my head, I just go everything that I just
read is completely move because none of it holds anyway whatsoever. Yeah,
the source could be like my cousin, you know, talking
about kid guard Ashton and being like, yeah, I think
she's just ready to kinda be easy going. They're like
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perfect god a source. Uh, and they're especially like if
you talk to like, I always think that these sources
are are like if it's a source close to the
Kardashian family, it's like their hairdresser's second cousin who saw
them one time walk into the salon and they said hello,
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and it's like that's a close enough source for me. Yeah,
It's like anytime there's a Bachelor article, it's always like
an inside source close to production or like a produce
an inside source close to production said that Ashley and
Jared are you know, I hate it and and I
guess for them specifically for the Kardashians, right, Like they've
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kind of built a franchise off of these types of
articles being written about them. So kudas to them for
keeping on keeping on and to a degree it kind
of helps our business as well. Right, So it's not
all bad, but it's just it just it bothers me
a little bit. I think now, is that like when
they talk about the sources, that's what comes to mind
for me, where it's like somebody who doesn't really know.
But I do think years ago when they first was
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starting to get there their aim. I think that they
were the sources like a hundred percent because they want
to get their names out there. They want to get
their names in the news, which makes total sense. Like
I know people who have hired paparazzi to come take
photos of them when they're leaving a restaurant because it's
(18:17):
it's exposure. Like they'll I know for a fact, an
agent of a buddy of mine who calls, uh, the
paparazzi and no, you guys don't know who this person is.
You don't know who I'm talking about, so don't make theories. No,
but like their agent will call the paparazzi and say, hey,
so and so is gonna be here, please like or
(18:39):
not even please, but like if you, you know, go
take pictures of them when they're walking out, because it's
good exposure. Right if you're you're in the news or
somebody's seen here, it's just like, sure it's tabloid you know,
hearsay or tabloid you know, fluff, but it's always good
to you know, get yourself a little press. I know
some former Bachelor contestants that will go to dinner and
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call the parazzi on themselves, and I've even heard them say,
you know what, I'm bored. I'm gonna call the paparazzi
and tell them where we're at right now. So yes,
I've heard people say that before is in sane? Have
you ever done that? I've never done it personally. I've like,
I've only really been popped once. I was getting off
a flight to go get my um my hip tended
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to in Seattle. This is like right after I had
my accident and I was walking through the airport in
Seattle and someone like had a camera on me, and
I was like asking me all these questions and it
was like stuff about Bachelor, but stuff that I was
so far removed from, and I was like, why do
you care about my opinion on any of this stuff?
It was the weirdest thing they were asking me, like
about like Peter Weber's uh, you know, shocking ending to
(19:45):
a season, and I'm like, I'm so far removed from this.
I have no idea why you guys are asking me
the questions, So just like leave me alone, but you like,
I don't don't want to be a jerk. I don't know.
It was it was one of the weird experiences I've
had um, but yeah, it's always weird. Deal. Well, the
my best experience with the Papa razzi, which I was
at the Bad Boys for Life movie premiere because I
got invited and I was so excited to go, and
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I brought a buddy of mine because actually doesn't care
about Bad Boys. And I was walking and I don't
know why this happened to me. I really don't. I
think that they either mistook me for someone or like
maybe it just wasn't that many people around, but there
was like people coming up to me for signatures and
they must have thought maybe I was in the movie
or something. But then as they were like asking for
(20:28):
my signature, and I'm like, oh, no, I'm not in
the movie, Like I don't really plus I've all I
was also told never give out your signature because a
lot of it is like fraudulent and they just try
to get your signature to like get you know, to
like sign your name on other things so they can
steal your identity moving forward. Uh. But when I was like,
oh no, I'm not in the movie, Oh I don't
you know, and that like two paparazzi people came up
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and started like taking pictures in my face as I
was like walking behind the carpet about to go into
the theater, and I was like, holy crap, I feel
like Tom Cruise right now. I was like, like the
closet moment of my life. And then I was sure,
you look just like him too. I did not, unfortunately,
but that's not bad because he's like five seven, you know,
poor guy, Well you have you got the high thing
(21:08):
I'm talking about, just like the facial in the hair
and all that kind of stuff. But um, Jared, I
think it's about time for us to take a quick
break and introduce our guests. Coming up after this quick
break Amanda Jenkins, Mark Hill Smith, HBO max Is Twelve
Dates of Christmas, Stick through the Break, will be back
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all right, welcome back to help I suck at dating.
Like we teased before the break, we have two very
special guests are joining us right now from HBO max
Is brand new uh well, not brand new for a
second season, but brand new season Twelve Dates of Christmas,
which returns Thursday, November twenty five. Once again, that is
on HBO max. It is Amanda Grace Jenkings and Mark
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hill Smith, Mark Hellen Amanda, thanks so much for joining
us today. How are you doing well. Thank you for
having us on your podcast. This is really exciting. Well,
you know, Twelve Dates of Christmas help I suck at
dating really go hand in hand. I feel it really is.
So Amanda, tell us a little bit about the second
season of Twelve Dates of Christmas. Let's see, how do
(22:19):
I narrow it down a little bit? Um, Well, it uh,
as you guys know, there's three leads, So that was
a little bit different than um, we've seen in the
past with a lot of reality shows. And UM, I
actually really love that. When I watched the first season,
I was like, Okay, like I feel like that would
be nice to have, um, to have just kind of
(22:41):
like friends and partners in a way going through the
same experience as you and people to kind of like
bouncings off of, and um you're not like completely alone
and and kind of just relying on just yourself and
and um with all the attention on you. So that
kind of drew me in a little more. Well, I've
got a question for you guys. So season one, it
(23:03):
was there was a game mail lead, right, and then
two straight leads, and then this season what is it?
Is there three leads again this season or is it
just you too? There are three? There's Danny I don't
I'm not sure why he's not here, but then there's
Amanda and then myself. Nice, okay, cool? Why well, Jared,
why did we not get all three of them? From
the time? Obviously we're working on a budget, Dean, you know,
(23:25):
there's only so much we could be doing about these things.
So Marquelle, what was your experience like well, filming Twelve
Days of Christmas? I had a great experience. Obviously, you know,
they're ups and downs as with anything, but I think
overall it was a very exciting time. I had never
done anything like this before. Um it was my first
time being like professionally on camera, So this was really
(23:47):
exciting after, you know, after the nerves wore off, it
was really exciting. Well, and it's not just that it's
not that you're just on camera, right, you're kind of
one of the central focuses of the entire and then
you're also dating on camera, which was like because you
know that feeling when you go to a restaurant and
you're sitting next to a table and you're like wondering
can the next table hear you? But it's like, you
(24:08):
can't really do this now because it's a room full
of cameras and they're all watching you, like get to
know somebody on camera, they can definitely hear you. How
did you guys handle that kind of like those those nerves,
because I fully agree with you, it's one thing to
be vulnerable and open up to someone, and then it's
a whole other thing for there to be cameras around
and kind of shoved in your face. So how did
you guys deal with that? I don't want to say pressure,
(24:29):
but with that kind of like stress, I guess. I
mean I was very much of the mindset of just
like you know what, we know, why we're here, let's
just do it, like, you know, getting over the nerves.
Like of course, I won't say I won't say that
it was comfortable at the beginning, but after a certain
point it was like, Okay, why am I nervous? I'm here,
I'm here, I'm doing this, Like let's ask the hard questions.
(24:49):
That's like really good in there, and just like okus,
so Amanda. Yeah. Obviously the show has not aired yet,
but in the preview they talk about or they mentioned
that you've been in kind of some toxic relationships in
the past. Can you just give us like an overview
of like what some of those relationships were like, or
(25:09):
you're learning experience through them and what you've learned coming
out of bad relationships and when you're hoping what you're
hoping for in a future relationship. Yeah, definitely. UM. So
I feel like for me, I feel like it took
a long time to to learn about myself and UM
(25:30):
kind of UM get a little bit more of UM
just the self awareness of some of the ways I
was moving through the world and some of the types
of people I was attracting, and UM, I'm someone that
UM like just kind of because of some of the
things in my in my background that I hadn't processed too.
(25:52):
It's like I feel like I was doing a lot
of UM, I guess like trauma bonding and and finding
these like really passionate it um and sometimes really exciting relationships,
but they weren't necessarily healthy. Um. And and then it
obviously took me a long time to really learn a
lot about myself too, because I only came out about
(26:12):
three years ago. UM, and I'm in my threeties. So
um it. I just think it took a really long
time to to just truly get to know myself and
um and then start to explore that. And then once
I came out and that was a whole new world
to relearn all about myself again and um kind of
go with the ups and downs of that. Um. So
(26:35):
it's been a long journey for me. I feel like
and and now I'm I feel like I'm in this
space where I know a lot more of what I
want and what I don't want. And I think that
because of that, it puts me more in the position
to be ready for a relationship because of just a
lot of the work that I've done within my own
personal life and the time that I've been single. Yeah, yeah,
(26:57):
I think I think you gotta nail it on the head.
I think Jared and I've talked about this in the
past on the on this podcast. Sometimes you have like
these trauma bonded relationships where you know they give you
certain types of feelings and you think they're good feelings,
but in the relationship isn't necessarily like the healthiest relationship. Uh.
And I think a lot of that just comes with
time and experience, right, So like as you go on,
you keep dating and you figure all that stuff out.
So it's good that you, I guess I've been able
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to identify that. But then through the show, for what
this is a question for both of you guys, was
there anything that you learned through the filming of the
show about yourselves that you didn't know before? Yeah? I
feel like for me, I I I did learn that,
UM that I do like to take my time, uh
and really get to know someone. And it's very challenging
(27:44):
on a show like this when you have a lot
of dates coming through really quickly and you've got to
make fast decisions. Um. And I think because I'm I
think I'm more hesitant, um because of my past experiences.
I'm like, I want to make sure I make the
right destiny jan and I want to make sure that
I'm doing the right thing for for me and the
(28:05):
people around me and people and bringing my life. It's like,
I I kind of like take on a lot of
that pressure and I found that that was really challenging
for me. How about you, Marco, Yeah, I definitely learned that.
I'm so I'm a libra. I'm not like a huge astrologist. Um.
But we get the reputation for being very indecisive, and
(28:29):
I learned that I'm very direct, but I also sort
of like catered to, like not hurt people's feelings. And
I learned through this process that I can be more
direct when I like set an intention to be more direct.
Oh dude, I'm right there with you. You should talk
to my wife about that. She tells me, She's like,
(28:50):
what do you want? Tell me what you want, and
then I will do everything to try to make that happen.
And I'm like, oh, you know, I like always beat
around the bush. It's definitely to Mark L I definitely
relate with you on that one. My yeah. Um So Marquel,
I wanted to ask you a little bit as well. Um,
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you know, what are some of the things going into
this process that you were looking for in a partner? Um? So,
I think you know you can see from the trailer, Um,
I framed it as I'm looking for that same feeling
that I had with my excent. I can kind of like,
you know, myself and Amanda's shoes. Actually was just saying,
you know, the fieries, the passion, the the excitement that
(29:34):
you get at the beginning doesn't. It isn't necessarily indicative
of what a healthy relationship could be. Um, so you know,
just really so, And that was my first relationship, That
was my first official Like how long were you guys?
How long did you guys date for? We dated for
six months? Okay? And then how long before the show
(29:56):
did you break up? We broke up and July and
we started filming, so about eight months okay. Because a
lot of people will ask, you know, when do I
know I'm ready to start dating again or possibly jump
into a relationship, So when did you know? When did
you feel like this was your time to start going
(30:17):
back into the dating pool? Um. I don't think that
there was like a distinct moment that I knew, but
I it took me a while too, not a while,
but it took me some time to get over it, obviously,
And it was just like a process of you know,
grieving the relationship, reading the loss of it, of this
person that I I was spending so much time with.
(30:39):
And then I don't know, I just started like going
on the apps, going out with people again and just
realizing like, okay, am I ready? Am I not? I
remember going on one day with somebody like before I
went on the show, and I was like, no, I'm
not ready, and because I just I just like completely
wasn't there. Yeah, have you have you there? You guys
been in touch with any of your ex is before
(31:00):
the airing of the show to kind of like let
them know what they're getting themselves into all that kind
of stuff or no, no, no, I'm gonna be a
lot of people that find out a lot about me
from this show coming out. That was one of the
weirdest things for me in my experience was having x
(31:21):
IS I guess see me on TV and then reach
out And it's always funny to see just kind of
like the disparities between certain people that you used to
be in your life and what they would say. But um,
but yeah, I mean that's it's it's interesting. Being vulnerable
is one thing. Being vulnerable on television is something completely different. So,
I mean, good to see you guys. Hopefully there's not.
I don't expect there to be any negative backlash specifically
(31:42):
from the x IS, but usually it's coming from a
jealous place. I would say, yeah, in terms of an
x to speak on that, it is it's not even
about the negative aspect. It's more so you know, you
don't think about an X watching you date on TV
when you're going through this journey. Not to like scare
you guys, but it is weird. I can attest to
(32:04):
dean Um that, you know, I I had a very
significant X and it was just weird for her to
like see these intimate moments that she's had with me
being played out on television. So it's definitely it's a
weird experience. Yeah, I do think it's weird when you
(32:24):
think about it. Yeah, you never think like you never think, oh, yeah,
one day my ex is gonna be dating on television.
You just that that thought never never crossed my mind.
So shout out to all the exes out there, see
you guys. The show premiers on what is it? Novembery Thursday,
right Thanksgiving? Actually funny enough? Can you guys before we
(32:47):
get let you get out of here. Can you guys
tease anything for us from the viewers perspective? What can
we expect to see just from your guys experiences? Are
you engaged? Okay? So what I will say, I think,
you know, following my story and knowing what I've gone through,
obviously I think it's kind of gonna be I don't
think anybody's gonna expect you know, what's going to happen
(33:09):
with me here? Okay, all right, so there's gonna be
some twists and turns. Okay, can appreciate that it's turns
ninety degrees, that's right there. I will say that there
is a plentiful amount of drama. Um, which that's always
(33:29):
fun to watch, so um and um. Yeah, I want
to kind of keep everyone hanging on on how everything
plays out in the end. We're gonna have to have
you both back after the show airs so we can
actually talk about what happened, so we can get in Yeah,
(33:51):
have you guys had a chance to see any episodes yet?
We are on the same place as everybody else, Right,
It's always such a fair You like want to text
your friends and tell them to tune in, but then
in the back of your head you're like, well, wait,
what if they see something that they're not supposed to.
I'm definitely feeling both about that. It's fun though, enjoy
(34:13):
it like wedding, and enjoy it. It's you know, not
many times you get to six. Did you guys know
each other? While the show was filming, did you did
you guys have the storylines cross paths at all? Maybe? Oh,
all right, maybe that's one of the TWI I don't know.
I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. Right, Well,
you were there, wasn't I wasn't in all the places
(34:37):
at all the time, So fair point. Okay, okay, Well
I see, I see what you're doing your planet well
close to the chest. I gotta I gotta respect that
you guys. Thank you so much for joining us. For
the listeners that obviously want to tune into the show,
It's on HBO Max twelve Dates of Christmas, premiering Thursday, November. Um,
I'll be tuning in. I'm excited to watch you guys. Uh.
And then I'm sure you guys are gonna be like
(34:59):
posting along and on Instagram and all that kind of stuff, right,
so where it? Could we fund? On Instagram? My Instagram
is Amanda Grace Jenkins, And yes, I'm definitely posting so
you get some behind the scenes stuff. Yeah, and I'm
at Dr marktel on Instagram. Alright, Dr Mark Hell, I
gotta love it. Well, you guys, thank you so much
for joining us. We're so excited to tune in next
(35:19):
Thursday and uh, I can't wait to see more. Thanks
for having us. What's going on? Everyone? Welcome back to
help I Suck at Dating And this week we have
(35:39):
a couple of emails. Um, I don't know I'm talking
so weird, but I just want to go ahead and say,
email us please, I Sucker Dating at iHeart media dot com.
I'm gonna actually I keep making mental reminders to myself
to send emails from an anonymous account for this podcast,
but I always forget. So what would do you want
to send? Oh? No, I would just make up some
(36:02):
incredibly ridiculous thing. Come on, we need something like from
your personal life you and Klin. Just send it an
anonymous you know what you should do? All right, here's
something that you need to do over the next let's
say before two, so you've got a month and a half.
I need you to send in an email as anonymous.
But it's an actual question about yours and Klin's relationship,
and we have to guess live on the podcast if
(36:25):
we think it's from you. Okay, Yeah, that's that's fine.
We'll just play this game from now on until the
end of two. Anytime an anonymous email rolls in. You
guys will have to decide whether or not you think
it's from me. You know, it's frustrating, Mark, what's up?
Dean's not gonna do this? You're right because this is
kind of Dean's thing. He talks about stuff but never
does it. That's why Carolin is gonna have to propose. Yes, Um, Mark,
(36:49):
I feel like you know me a little too well.
If you're down good by the way, I'm happy to
be here this week. Eastern's here, Jared's here, Hanna is here,
and the reason we're all here because we heard last
week episode, so we're all hands on deck this week. Yeah. Yeah,
that's really nice to you guys. Um, if you haven't
listened to last week's episode, you didn't miss much. But
it was just me by myself. Hannah was obviously there
(37:11):
as well a little bit. Riley was there, but I
didn't have Jared, I didn't have Mark, I didn't have Easton,
And let's be honest, you three are the clear backbone
of this podcast. If it just took me missing a
podcast to get everybody else here fully loaded, I'm gonna
start missing more weeks. Let's do this. I like it.
I like when everybody's here. It really does feel like
we're being spoiled when we get everyone like this, all right,
(37:31):
this is from Emily. This is not anonymous. We will
not be playing the game. This is from Emily, and
I think this is something a lot of people are
going through this time of year. Emily says, Thanksgiving us
next week, and I'm starting to get stressed. There's so
much pressure with relationships around the holidays. I've been seeing
this guy for about five months now, and my mom
is begging to meet him. Last week, I was in
(37:51):
the car with him talking to my mom on speaker
phone and he said she wants to meet him whatever.
Since then, he keeps asking when am I going to
meet your family. I'm afraid if I introduce him to
my family around the holidays, it's going to feel more
serious and speed things up between us. I'm super happy
at the pace we're moving and where we currently stand,
but also I don't want him to think I don't
(38:13):
care about him by not introducing him. Yeah, it's definitely
kind of like make your Break season in these weird,
uh purgatory relationships where you're dating but you're not boyfriend, girlfriend,
you don't know if it's gonna go long term or not,
so you don't want to introduce him to the family. UM.
I think we should all answer this first and foremost,
So Eastern Hannah, Mark, get your get your answers ready,
(38:34):
but Dean, get your thinking, get your thinking caps on. UM.
In my experience, if you like the person enough and
you know you're gonna be with him for a while,
why not just bring him over to meet the family,
you know, like, if you if you like him enough
to kind of continue dating him as it seems like
you have been, just bring him in and meet the family.
And a lot of times the family can kind of
help you make decisions too. It's like, you know, you
(38:56):
might not want to say it, but like your parents
and your siblings definitely a factor into your decision making
when it comes to dating. So I don't think it's
never I don't think it's ever really a bad thing
to bring them into your household for the holidays if
you actually see it lasting longer than more than just like, mom,
come on, it's been five months. I get that you
don't want to make the relationships speed up, but at
(39:18):
the same time, it's the holidays he's gonna be around
the family at some point. You might as will introduce
him now see if they get along. I mean, hell,
the Bachelor introduces them to their family like three weeks in,
so let's five months is plenty of time. You're not
speeding anything up. Meet mom. Five months there is a
good amount of time to be a mom. I think
(39:39):
that's normal, and I also think, unfortunately, Emily, I don't
think you have a choice here. I don't think you
can just kind of hide him throughout the holidays. I
think you've got to bring him to mom, whether you
want to or not. I know he's in the minor
leagues right now, and that automatically puts him in the
major leagues, and you may not want him in the
major leagues. I think everyone will get back to normal though,
once the new year comes around, and then you can
really decide if this is worth happening or not. I'm
(40:02):
concerned about the future of this relationship because you don't
seem excited about him meeting your parents. So I don't
know how if a year from now you're gonna have
the same problem. But I don't think you have a choice.
You gotta do it. Yeah, Emily is either embarrassed by
the family or embarrassed by the boyfriend. It's one of
the other. Right now, I mean, what's the worst that
will happen if you introduce him to the parents. Is
he gonna start a business with your uncle Bob? You know, Like,
(40:23):
I don't know what's gonna happen with everyone from now on,
how's your boyfriend? How's your boyfriend? Talked about the one
with your boyfriend? It's gonna be a lot of that
from mom and dad and brothers and sisters. You know.
I brought Allison to my grandparents house for the holidays
after we've been dating for like seven months or something,
and everything. Obviously everything was fine, we got married, But
there's ma from that event where we're all taking like pictures,
(40:44):
and at one point my aunt asked Allison, She's like,
could you take one of everybody? Like I think she
was like, we don't want if they break up in
six months. Yes, they're not family yet, Alison. That's the
funny thing that Alison will never forget. But at that
funny moment, now so Eastern, You're you're in the camp
of inviting him to Thanksgiving. Yeah, enviting Thanksgiving I say,
(41:07):
if you've been dating someone for two weeks, you should
invite them to Thanksgiving. I think that it's the more
the merrier, just invite him. I gotta say too, as
as we age, like as we become adults, um, getting
invited to things like Thanksgiving, especially for people, uh that
you know, don't have very close family ties, like myself,
it's always so nice. It's always so nice to like
have an outlet just to be like, yeah, I'd love
(41:27):
to come on, you know, over to Thanksgiving. How anything
else planned? So maybe like hopefully this guy has like
Thanksgiving with his family planned. That way you can invite him.
Maybe he can say he's gonna go to Thanksgiving with
his family instead, but like, at least that way, you
know he was invited, he knows he was invited, and
even if he didn't have a place to go, then
you're still kind of, you know, taking him under your
wing and bringing him over. So I think it's a
good thing all around. We have yet to hear from
(41:48):
the smartest person in the room, Hannah, what are your thoughts?
Oh my god, Well, I'm inviting my boyfriend to Thanksgiving
this year for the first time. But we've been together
for four years, but he's been around my family around
the holidays, but not actually on the day. But I
think that she could bring him around around the holidays.
(42:12):
I don't know. I do agree that bringing him around
on the actual day, like on Thanksgiving or on Christmas. Serious, Yeah,
that's a big step. Four years. How did you avoid
like last year? I guess last year was COVID, So
maybe we threw a wrench in there. But even two
years ago, you guys were dating for two years and
he's still incoming for the holidays. Well, I mean he
would come around the time, but on the actual day,
(42:34):
he would want to be with this family. I would
want to be with my family. And we're still young.
But now I feel like we're at the age where
he's living where my family lives up in Norclso just
makes more sense. Yeah, now you're old, it makes more sense. Yeah,
But I agree with what Dean said. I think getting
the family's opinion and having them meet him could kind
of be insightful and could help guide her if I
(42:56):
don't know if this actually is going to work out
or not. It's also good market research, you know, because
you're supposed to be like, oh, you're like, oh, I
love it. He's so funny, he's great. He was so
helpfully helped clean up after dinner, Like it's good to
kind of see how he interact with these people focus group. Absolutely,
I gotta say too. I have always firmly I've always
(43:18):
firmly believed that I never needed my family's approval with
the person I was dating. That like, if I like someone,
I liked him and I didn't care what they said. Um,
but I think I told the story already on this
podcast before last time, I brought Klein. Uh, well, I
brought Kaylin and my brothers many times, my oldest brother,
the person I look up to more even more than Mark,
if you can believe that or not. Um. Yeah, so
you know I love the guy really really quite a bit. Uh.
(43:39):
He pulled me aside and he's like, you know what, Team,
I feel like you finally got it right with Klein,
and I'm really proud of you. And I was like,
you know, I never realized how much I needed to
hear that from you before, but it did. It makes
a difference. So to get your family's approval on someone
is it's I think it's pretty important. That's a sweet story.
That is a sweet story. So the second emails from
Capri and Market don't many stuff undershows. But I'm curious
because it's four questions. Could we do a speed round
(44:00):
where all of this answer really quickly? Okay, fine, here
we go, Caprice says, first question, what was your first
impression about your partner? She cries a lot, Yeah, dramatic
giant asked you better be talking about Alison. I am okay, eyes,
(44:20):
eyes and face in general. Mm hmmm nice. Huh, athlete,
I don't know, okay, Okay. Have you started to do
something because of each other's influence? Uh? I've I've showered
more often because of her. Thank God for Klein, Thank
(44:41):
you Wolf Jared. I would say I've definitely um been more.
I've been able to articulate more directly what I want
in life. I mean, it's been twenty four years. It's
a long list, but I'll say I've become a dog
lover because I never had pets growing up. You are
a dog lover before your wife, I we didn't have any.
(45:05):
I didn't have any paths of dogs, cats, didn't have anything.
I ever lived with a dog until my wife. Well,
at least you've come to the right side now, Thank you, Jared.
I mean I have a long list too, but the
two that come to mine are drinking more water and
we're in sunscreen. Oh, sunscreen. Nice. I haven't come around
the sunscreen thing yet, but maybe one day mine would
be to be better about managing my money. Okay. Will
(45:29):
you say sorry to your partner even if it's not
your fault? Yes, all the time I do it. It's
sarcastically pretty often. Um does that count? This is so
deem to dig it as you. I have a hard enough.
I had a hard I have a hard enough time
saying sorry when it actually is something I'm sorry for.
(45:50):
So if it's not my fault, I uh, you're a
hard press to get me to say sorry if it's
not my fault. Of course. Also, whatever brings peace sooner
I will do thousand it. Yeah. I say when it's
not my fault almost exclusively, and my answer is absolutely not.
I'm so sorry. Yeah. Nice. Me and Hannah we got
(46:10):
this one. I mean, maybe eventually we'll come around to
you guys way of thinking. But if it's not your fault,
I apologize. Dean and Hannah picked they chose violence this morning.
And finally, can you ask, what is something you're looking
forward to with your partner having a kid? Good one?
Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's just an obvious one.
(46:31):
Um something I look forward to with my answer, No,
I know, but it's just there's obvious answers and there's
um less. Obviously I want that US Weekly headline. I'll
be the inside source, all right, Yeah, inside source close
to Dean. Um. Something I'm excited to do with my partner,
(46:54):
just you know, more travel. I guess we're going to
South Africa with each other in a couple of months.
That's something I'm looking for. That's a good one. Next
year is our twenties wedding anniversary. In our anniversary have
been together, we're planning a trip and looks like we'rehit
your wage yard. We're looking at um Cape Cod Martha's vineyard. Yeah,
you guys are coming during the summer right, yeah, next
to August. Oh sweet dude, let me know, Well we'll
have a be around the cape. Excellent. I'm I don't
(47:19):
know nothing specific. I'm just looking forward to experiencing more
life with her everything, seeing new places, doing new things,
and uh, I don't know, just Everything I do with
Allison is fantastic, So I'm looking forward to doing more
of that. I liked it before Hunt answers. I just
want to point out eastn Um. Your time and spent
in Nashville for Ben in uh Chess's wedding very impressive.
(47:39):
You you were there for one a couple of days.
You had every museum, every you know, you crossed everything
off your list. It was fun to watch you guys.
You guys are great travelers. I feel like I would
want you to write an itinerary for me for the
next time I go somewhere. We when we go someplace,
we do it all and we do and she does
all the books that I want to say. It's it's
a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun.
(48:01):
It's great. I was impressed. Thank you. UM. I'm looking
forward to going to New York whichever for jingle Ball.
Ever been to New York before and it's been his dream?
Wait isn't jaball next week or something like that? Um
l A is the first is December three, but New
York is the week after, so coming up. We used
(48:23):
to go every year for Jingleball New York and it's
just the best time of the year to be there.
It's so great. I love going to see the tree.
It's really that's awesome. It's help I Second Dating. Not
allowed to go to jingle Ball this year, and yet
I've got that invite. Yeah, I guess maybe I'll just
keep my eyes peeled on my email. I'm sure back
in you will be there scrubbing it will be there.
Those Yeah, they're probably gonna be freaking hosting the event anyway.
(48:46):
That's gonna do it. For this week's episode of Help
I Suck at Dating, Mark Easton Hanna, thank you guys
so much for chiming in and helping us answer these questions.
Keep emailing us I Second Dating at iHeart media dot com.
Big thank you, of course to Marquel An Amanda. Be
sure to watch HBO max Is Twelve Dates of Christmas Thursday,
November twenty premieres. Um, thanks for Jared for us sticking
(49:08):
around and coming to host this podcast with me this week.
I would say anytime, but I've missed a couple of podcasts,
so hopefully next week totally totally understandable. Man, You've got
a lot going on. Um, but yeah, maybe next week
where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow
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Hell I Suck At Dating with Dengler and Jared Haven
and I heard radio podcast What is going On? Everyone?
Welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck
At Dating. We are in luck today because we finally
get Jared back with us this week. Jared, Hey, welcome
(00:22):
back to the podcast. Man Hey, no anytime, Dean, thanks
for having me. Really appreciate it's a great podcast to
be a part of. Uh. Sorry, I've been a little
m I A. This coffee shop has been extremely overwhelming
and time consuming and stressful. And then I had two
weddings go to last week, one of which was supposed
to be with you, but you had the flu. But
you're a good man and you stayed away from everybody,
(00:43):
and uh, but it's it's been time consuming. I was
told that Kalen thought that you were making you thought
I was making a political statement with the mask. No,
I thought you forgot your um your vaccine card because
they were checking everybody's vaccine card. And I was like, oh,
maybe if you're not vactually you have you don't have
to wear a mask. I didn't know because then I
just walked in and I saw you with a mask on.
(01:04):
The only person in the entire ceremony, the only person.
And I was like, well, he's definitely vaccinated. I know this,
And then I thought to myself, maybe he just forgot
his vaccine card and they're they're saying he has to
wear a mask. But then I later found out that
you had the flu. You tested positive for the flu,
so everybody knew it was but you still felt like
you wanted to wear a mask, and then you didn't
even go to the reception. You just went to the ceremony. Yeah,
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I had. I would have feel a certain amount of
guilty if I got anyone sick in any capacity, especially
like in the state of height and awareness we're in
right now, and uh, you know, there's some older people
at the wedding, so like even the flu, I feel
it could be a pretty serious thing for someone like
that to get. So I just figured I didn't want
to miss the ceremony, and I'm glad I didn't. It
was beautiful, Benn and Jess looked great together. But then
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I was like, well, I just don't feel comfortable going
to the You don't want to be the guy coughing
throughout the entire night. Yeah, you see that TikTok, where
like some guy said he used to cover up his
farts with a cough and now he covers up his right. Well,
it was interesting too because I got tested the day
before the wedding for COVID. I like went in just
(02:08):
to make sure it wasn't COVID and uh, I was
like going over my symptoms and they're like, well, hey,
what does that time you got the flu vaccine? And
I was like, I don't think I've gotten that in
over a decade. So they're like, oh, we're gonna test
for that too, And it's just funny how we get
all like, you know, getting this COVID vaccine and I
haven't gotten a flu vaccine and lord knows how long.
So I guess at the end of the day, like
I'm happy it was only the fluid and not COVID,
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but um, yeah, it's kind of bummer to Mr Reception.
But so before Ben's wedding, you were at your best
friend's wedding. You said, yeah, so the girl that signed
me up to be on the show, our name is Crystal.
She's my best friend and one of my and her
fiance is one of my closest friends as well. And
they got married down and Cancoon. Dude, I've had two
weddings all years, November twelfth and thirteen. And it's funny
actually because the my friends who got married Kancoon was
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supposed to get married on Saturday November, but the bride
of excuse me, the mother of the groom uh is
very religious and she's like, I don't want my son
married on the thirteen. I don't know. There's some bad
luck obviously involved in that, or hopefully not for Ben
and Jess, But so they moved it to Friday the twelfth,
which worked out well for me because even though it
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was back to back, at least I got to a
ten boat. So it was really nice. And Ben and
Jess's wedding was awesome. Um dude, a lot of people
for her to people, but it was so nice seeing everybody,
like I forgot moving back home and being like closer
to my you know family. It's like, you know, made
me forget that I have you know you guys in
other parts of the country that is so much like
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family to me. You know, it's really great. I wish
we could hang out more. I haven't seen you in forever.
I haven't seen you since Ben's bachelor party, but like
seeing Nick and Chris Souls who I haven't seen in years, Um,
Sean Booth and obviously Ben, who I got spiked to
for like three seconds. Um who else? Did I mean? Nas? Obviously?
(03:56):
Uh time was there Michael g Becca like people I
just haven't seen, Like, dude, I haven't seen Tanya. I
don't know. I might have been pre pandemic. Yeah, well,
and we're supposed to go to nap together, right, and
then that got canceled. So there were like it's weak
because there were a lot of things for us all
to meet up at, but just like one by one
they're like, you know what, actually we're gonna cancel this.
We're gonna cancel this. So yeah, it was nice seeing
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everybody I didn't dude, Klin was a champ by the way,
because Klin obviously had to attend the reception by yourself
because you were sick, and like, I put myself in
those shoes. If I if my like, if if Ashley
couldn't be there because she was sick and I was
at the reception by myself, I don't know, I would
feel like kind of weird and I might have left early.
But dude, she was there the entire night. She was mingling,
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she was social. I was like, Klein, you are a champion,
because if it was me, I probably would have left early. Yeah.
It was funny, I because I left probably like five thirties,
So I was at home by six like basically went
straight to bed. And Calyn when I left, she was like, yeah,
like I'll be like, you know, an hour behind you whatever.
So I like, go home, go to bed, wake up
at like seven thirty, still no Kalin, wake up at
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eight thirty, still Macalin, wake up at nine thirty. And
I'm like starting to worry because she was pretty adamant
about like getting out of there pretty early. Um, and
I like didn't text or didn't receive any text or
anything like that from her. But then eventually she walks
in at like twelve thirty in the morning, and I'm like,
I can't believe, because she made it all the way
to the end. I don't even know if you you
guys made it to the end. But they eventually sent
shuttles to send everyone back to their hotels and stuff.
So she stayed until the very very last moment, which
(05:25):
I'm proud of her for Yeah, you're right, because it's
a lot to uh to. It's a it's a heavy,
not a heavy atmosphere, but like it's atmosphere like you're
at someone's wedding. They have all their friends and family
members there, and then like especially Klin, I'm sure knows
a lot of people from Bachelor, but not everybody that
was there, So I'm sure she had to introduce herself
and start conversation and be social with people that she's
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not used to meeting, and then also trying to spend
times with the people that she actually is friends with,
like Natalie Um and so yeah, dude, good for her.
You know what's funny is that you I love how
you were, like, you know, around eight thirty, I was
starting to get really worried. I mean I didn't text
or call or anything, and then she walked into the
door like twelve thirty, So four hours later after you
(06:08):
said you were concerned, you still hadn't reached out. You know,
I was like it was like in a in a
haze because I was like in and out of sleep,
and I like, obviously she's fine taking care of herself.
She was with Nick because we got her place with
Nick in Ittaly as well. So if they got if
Nick and Natali had gotten back and Caitlin still wasn't back,
then I would have like done something, but I was
I was fine with uh kind of everything I was
going on, I guess, but I want to know more
(06:28):
about your situation. So you went to this wedding on
Friday in Mexico and then Saturday, what like Saturday, like
six am or something, you caught a flight out to Nashville. Yeah,
so I flew into Cancoon on Wednesday. Uh, flew out.
The rehearsal German was Thursday. Wedding was Friday. Flew out
Saturday morning. The car picked me up at six am
and then I flew out at nine into Houston. Had
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to lay over for an hour, and then from Houston
to Nashville, and then I got in around two, drove
back to the hotel, and then went to the ceremony
for four So it was a very busy, busy few days,
but it was also really nice. Both weddings were were
awesome in their different ways. Because the one down in Cancoon,
I was obviously in the party, so I was hanging
out with the groom all day and we had they
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had like a golf SIMI later down there. So we
did that and then we're just hanging to my room
and took pictures and got ready. He had a small party.
It was only me and his future brother in law
and then obviously the groom, and then they had it
on the beach and it was really beautiful and the
reception was on the water as well, and it was
just great to be there and to see them get married,
and they're just he's like such a mushball. He so
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he cried when he saw his wife Crystal walk down
the aisle, and he's just like such a such a sap.
So that was really cool to be there. And then
of course going to Ben and Jess's were like this,
it's this over the top romantic, you know, uh, busy
wedding with four hundred people there and you know, Ben
had what like fifteen groomsmen. It was really funny seeing
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them all walk down the aisle because we were sitting
next to former producers of the batchloor one producer still
in one former producer, and they were like, well, there's
the next season's cast of The Bachelorette right there. Uh yeah.
It made me like a little insecure to be honest
with you, like Ben has so many friends, like close
friends where he wants fifteen groomsmen, and I'm like I
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would struggle picking out like five people to be in
my wedding party. You know. Oh it started making me think,
like where do I line up in the friendship of Ben?
Because I think you were like good friends, you know,
and not not like the room has been level. But
I was like, oh damn, maybe like I'm like thirty
second closest to Ben right now, where I thought I
was like in the high teens. Yeah, that's exactly how
I felt too, which I mean, look, I guess Ben
(08:36):
is like one of the most popular and sociable guys.
I know I said more props to him, but yeah,
it definitely lent to a little bit of insecurity feeling
just because I was like, dude, if if and when
I get married, like what am I gonna do? I'm
not gonna have twelve grooms been up there and I
know not like it's not a competition when it comes
to that kind of stuff, But you can't help put
like size yourself up a little bit, you know. But
you said you had a lot, you had like eight
(08:57):
grooms been what I have like eight to Yeah, I
had something like eight, but Ashley had the same number.
We wanted to kind of keep it close. But I also,
like everybody obviously in the party, I wanted to be
a part of the of the day and be a
grinsman in the wedding. And oh, well, I was gonna say,
you brought up something. Oh you said if and when
you get married, that feels like, uh, the needle has moved,
(09:20):
Like that's a different tone when I just, uh, it's
more just I'm choosing my words a little more carefully
these days. You know. I think part of the reason
I always get in trouble with that kind of stuff
is because I speak so matter of factly. So if
I say, oh, yeah, I'm never getting married, then people
take me for my word, which I guess I appreciate
them taking me for my word, but uh, it just
gives me more avenues to get away with things. And then,
(09:43):
because if you say you'll never get married, there's gonna
be us weekly headline saying trouble in Paradise, Dean Unglert
says he'll never marry Kaylin Miller keys. Yeah. So now
so I'm just I'm just starting to choose my words
a little more carefully that if and when statement. It's like,
you know, it kind of gives me an out, it
makes it makes it less headline grabby. All right, so
the question becomes Dean, Now you have been to multiple
(10:06):
weddings with Klin. I'm sure she's getting more fever as
the years go on. So how's your is I I
just said the needle felt like it moved? Has it moved?
Are you more towards like, hey, let's get married? Oh? Yeah? Well,
so we sat next to Derek Paith and Saffron his
fiance at the wedding, and Saffron I had never met.
(10:26):
So Saffron asked me if we're married, because I've got
the ring on my finger obviously, and I gave her
my usual, you know, nonsensical dean answer. Be it as
it may, maybe maybe not. I don't know, you know,
what is marriage? What is life? Yeah? I said, as
far as the government's concerned, No, as far as our
hearts are concerned. Yes, um, and then calin like leans
over and she goes will be engaged by two trust
(10:49):
me or something like that. So well, I was gonna say,
two you got about forty five days left if that
was happen, Yeah, but I don't know, Like I don't
know if she's speaking for me or if she's saying
that she's gonna propose to me, which I made it
pretty clear to her, and I was like, you know,
if you really want to get married, you should be
the one proposing to me. Uh. So, I think she's
(11:11):
got something and it works for that, which I think
it's pretty cool. You know, maybe we could do like
a dual thing. But uh, I mean, yeah, I guess
it's kind of the fallback or not the fallback. The
one of the negatives about going all these weddings is
it gets your girlfriend in a mood to get married. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean I guess, you know, give it,
(11:33):
give us twelve months, twelve thirteen months, and we'll have something,
something a little more formal on the books. But two,
we're gonna find out big year for Dean and Kalin.
We're thinking make your break here Calin proposes. That would
be freaking awesome. I mean, that would be the most
Dean and Kalen thing of all time. Where she was like,
well he was taken too damn long. So I had
to get on one day. Yeah, yeah, it would probably
(11:55):
be like, uh, she would probably do it and I
would and then I would probably do it, or like
it'll probably happened for both of it. I don't know,
you know, So what would you say? Uh? Well, I
would laugh at first, obviously, I probably I'd probably get
around to say and yes at some point. Yeah, just
you obviously make her sweat it out a little bit, like, well,
you know, I do love my van life. And uh
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I did say I never wanted to get married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I make yourself out a little bit, I will say. Though,
I'm impressed by her. She not well she's always been
like this, but more so lately in the past like
six months or so, she like, you know, she gets
an idea, she says she's gonna do something, and she
uh it takes a lot less convincing to do it
(12:38):
than in times past, whereas now she's just like ghoest
for it, you know what I mean. So, so kudos
to her. We'll see if what happens. Um it sounds
to me like she is actually gonna make it happen.
So that's so I'm saying. Good for Kalin. She's a badass. Yeah,
putting up with your ass for all these years. Now
she's going to propose to you. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,
I've got some stuff in the works. I don't want
(12:59):
to spoil anything, but you know, maybe when when it happens,
we'll we'll all be able to weigh in on the situation. Yeah. Well,
you obviously just have to tell the story on the
podcast after it happens. That's all. That's the deal, right there. Yeah, yeah, true. Um,
I actually had something else I wanted to talk about
as well. I can't remember. Um, all right, well, why
do you think of it? I want to tease our guests.
We have two very special guests that are coming up
(13:21):
after the break, which will take in a few minutes
from the new HBO Max Uh show Twelve Dates of Christmas,
which of course returns for its second season starts Thursday, November,
and from the show, we have Amanda Grace, Jenkings and
Marquelle Smith. So we're very excited to talk to them,
especially we're getting in the holiday season. Twelve Days of Christmas,
Twelve Dates of Christmas, excuse me, come back for a
(13:42):
second season. So excited to talk to them. I do
have something to talk about if you can't think of anything, Dan,
what I can't think about what you were going to say? Um,
I think I remembered what I wanted to say, but
it just does not maybe the time or place for it,
So feel free to what do you want to talk about?
I was gonna talk about the Pete Davidson thing. What's
the update with Pete Davidson. Well, obviously he's dating Kim Kardashian,
(14:03):
which is still the craziest I've ever heard of. I
can't believe Pete Davidson is dating Kim Kardashian. That's insane
to me. Good for him, and I hope they're happy.
But the one thing I did want to talk about
was he actually revealed his major dating deal breaker, which
gives me two thoughts which I'll go into in a second.
And it's something that Cosmopolitan, which is what the article
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is on, agrees with and I wholeheartedly agree with, because
he says that his deal breaker is when he goes
on a date and the person he's on the date
with is treating the wait staff for bartenders poorly. That's
a big no note in his book quote immediately would
be over in my head. I would be like, Okay,
(14:45):
never again. That is it. He said that was his
one deal breaker, and I could not agree more. As
someone who's worked in the restaurant industry all of my life, dude,
I've always said it should be a college requirement for
people to work in the service industry because it teaches
you a lot about how to deal with society, how
(15:06):
to be kind to one another, how to be patient
with someone when you have to wait on someone and
clean up after them and serve them food. It like
teaches you, I truly think, how to just be a
better person. Yeah. I agree, you treat your white staff poorly.
That's ah, that's a big red flag. I do want
to point out this article real quick. Um, I hate
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these articles from places like The News, US Weekly, People Magazine,
all that stuff. Uh. For the record, the people listening
obviously can't see the article we're referring to. It's basically
just uh, encapsulating Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson's officially dating relationship. Now.
But you scroll down eventually and you get you get
to these sentences where it's saying like Kim isn't looking
(15:46):
today strictly, She's just really enjoying her life right now,
per a source that told E News. And it's that
stuff that really just makes me so frustrated, like probably
rationally so. A source told this news junket that they're
that Kim is just having the time of her life.
No one told, no one close to Kim is telling
you news that Kim's just having the time of her
(16:07):
life with Pete Davidson right now. And I know for
a fact because there have been many articles written about me,
probably something about you, Kaylin where they're like, according to
a source very close to E News, Dean and Kaylin
are on rocky waters right now. And it's just like,
no one told you guys that we're not on rocky waters.
Like you're just making crap up just so you have
like something to write about. So I'm sure Kim and
(16:30):
Pete are doing great. But when I read things like
at the time a source told this you know news outlet,
in my head, I just go everything that I just
read is completely move because none of it holds anyway whatsoever. Yeah,
the source could be like my cousin, you know, talking
about kid guard Ashton and being like, yeah, I think
she's just ready to kinda be easy going. They're like
(16:52):
perfect god a source. Uh, and they're especially like if
you talk to like, I always think that these sources
are are like if it's a source close to the
Kardashian family, it's like their hairdresser's second cousin who saw
them one time walk into the salon and they said hello,
(17:13):
and it's like that's a close enough source for me. Yeah,
It's like anytime there's a Bachelor article, it's always like
an inside source close to production or like a produce
an inside source close to production said that Ashley and
Jared are you know, I hate it and and I
guess for them specifically for the Kardashians, right, Like they've
(17:34):
kind of built a franchise off of these types of
articles being written about them. So kudas to them for
keeping on keeping on and to a degree it kind
of helps our business as well. Right, So it's not
all bad, but it's just it just it bothers me
a little bit. I think now, is that like when
they talk about the sources, that's what comes to mind
for me, where it's like somebody who doesn't really know.
But I do think years ago when they first was
(17:57):
starting to get there their aim. I think that they
were the sources like a hundred percent because they want
to get their names out there. They want to get
their names in the news, which makes total sense. Like
I know people who have hired paparazzi to come take
photos of them when they're leaving a restaurant because it's
(18:17):
it's exposure. Like they'll I know for a fact, an
agent of a buddy of mine who calls, uh, the
paparazzi and no, you guys don't know who this person is.
You don't know who I'm talking about, so don't make theories. No,
but like their agent will call the paparazzi and say, hey,
so and so is gonna be here, please like or
(18:39):
not even please, but like if you, you know, go
take pictures of them when they're walking out, because it's
good exposure. Right if you're you're in the news or
somebody's seen here, it's just like, sure it's tabloid you know,
hearsay or tabloid you know, fluff, but it's always good
to you know, get yourself a little press. I know
some former Bachelor contestants that will go to dinner and
(18:59):
call the parazzi on themselves, and I've even heard them say,
you know what, I'm bored. I'm gonna call the paparazzi
and tell them where we're at right now. So yes,
I've heard people say that before is in sane? Have
you ever done that? I've never done it personally. I've like,
I've only really been popped once. I was getting off
a flight to go get my um my hip tended
(19:22):
to in Seattle. This is like right after I had
my accident and I was walking through the airport in
Seattle and someone like had a camera on me, and
I was like asking me all these questions and it
was like stuff about Bachelor, but stuff that I was
so far removed from, and I was like, why do
you care about my opinion on any of this stuff?
It was the weirdest thing they were asking me, like
about like Peter Weber's uh, you know, shocking ending to
(19:45):
a season, and I'm like, I'm so far removed from this.
I have no idea why you guys are asking me
the questions, So just like leave me alone, but you like,
I don't don't want to be a jerk. I don't know.
It was it was one of the weird experiences I've
had um, but yeah, it's always weird. Deal. Well, the
my best experience with the Papa razzi, which I was
at the Bad Boys for Life movie premiere because I
got invited and I was so excited to go, and
(20:06):
I brought a buddy of mine because actually doesn't care
about Bad Boys. And I was walking and I don't
know why this happened to me. I really don't. I
think that they either mistook me for someone or like
maybe it just wasn't that many people around, but there
was like people coming up to me for signatures and
they must have thought maybe I was in the movie
or something. But then as they were like asking for
(20:28):
my signature, and I'm like, oh, no, I'm not in
the movie, Like I don't really plus I've all I
was also told never give out your signature because a
lot of it is like fraudulent and they just try
to get your signature to like get you know, to
like sign your name on other things so they can
steal your identity moving forward. Uh. But when I was like,
oh no, I'm not in the movie, Oh I don't
you know, and that like two paparazzi people came up
(20:48):
and started like taking pictures in my face as I
was like walking behind the carpet about to go into
the theater, and I was like, holy crap, I feel
like Tom Cruise right now. I was like, like the
closet moment of my life. And then I was sure,
you look just like him too. I did not, unfortunately,
but that's not bad because he's like five seven, you know,
poor guy, Well you have you got the high thing
(21:08):
I'm talking about, just like the facial in the hair
and all that kind of stuff. But um, Jared, I
think it's about time for us to take a quick
break and introduce our guests. Coming up after this quick
break Amanda Jenkins, Mark Hill Smith, HBO max Is Twelve
Dates of Christmas, Stick through the Break, will be back
(21:34):
all right, welcome back to help I suck at dating.
Like we teased before the break, we have two very
special guests are joining us right now from HBO max
Is brand new uh well, not brand new for a
second season, but brand new season Twelve Dates of Christmas,
which returns Thursday, November twenty five. Once again, that is
on HBO max. It is Amanda Grace Jenkings and Mark
(21:56):
hill Smith, Mark Hellen Amanda, thanks so much for joining
us today. How are you doing well. Thank you for
having us on your podcast. This is really exciting. Well,
you know, Twelve Dates of Christmas help I suck at
dating really go hand in hand. I feel it really is.
So Amanda, tell us a little bit about the second
season of Twelve Dates of Christmas. Let's see, how do
(22:19):
I narrow it down a little bit? Um, Well, it uh,
as you guys know, there's three leads, So that was
a little bit different than um, we've seen in the
past with a lot of reality shows. And UM, I
actually really love that. When I watched the first season,
I was like, Okay, like I feel like that would
be nice to have, um, to have just kind of
(22:41):
like friends and partners in a way going through the
same experience as you and people to kind of like
bouncings off of, and um you're not like completely alone
and and kind of just relying on just yourself and
and um with all the attention on you. So that
kind of drew me in a little more. Well, I've
got a question for you guys. So season one, it
(23:03):
was there was a game mail lead, right, and then
two straight leads, and then this season what is it?
Is there three leads again this season or is it
just you too? There are three? There's Danny I don't
I'm not sure why he's not here, but then there's
Amanda and then myself. Nice, okay, cool? Why well, Jared,
why did we not get all three of them? From
the time? Obviously we're working on a budget, Dean, you know,
(23:25):
there's only so much we could be doing about these things.
So Marquelle, what was your experience like well, filming Twelve
Days of Christmas? I had a great experience. Obviously, you know,
they're ups and downs as with anything, but I think
overall it was a very exciting time. I had never
done anything like this before. Um it was my first
time being like professionally on camera, So this was really
(23:47):
exciting after, you know, after the nerves wore off, it
was really exciting. Well, and it's not just that it's
not that you're just on camera, right, you're kind of
one of the central focuses of the entire and then
you're also dating on camera, which was like because you
know that feeling when you go to a restaurant and
you're sitting next to a table and you're like wondering
can the next table hear you? But it's like, you
(24:08):
can't really do this now because it's a room full
of cameras and they're all watching you, like get to
know somebody on camera, they can definitely hear you. How
did you guys handle that kind of like those those nerves,
because I fully agree with you, it's one thing to
be vulnerable and open up to someone, and then it's
a whole other thing for there to be cameras around
and kind of shoved in your face. So how did
you guys deal with that? I don't want to say pressure,
(24:29):
but with that kind of like stress, I guess. I
mean I was very much of the mindset of just
like you know what, we know, why we're here, let's
just do it, like, you know, getting over the nerves.
Like of course, I won't say I won't say that
it was comfortable at the beginning, but after a certain
point it was like, Okay, why am I nervous? I'm here,
I'm here, I'm doing this, Like let's ask the hard questions.
(24:49):
That's like really good in there, and just like okus,
so Amanda. Yeah. Obviously the show has not aired yet,
but in the preview they talk about or they mentioned
that you've been in kind of some toxic relationships in
the past. Can you just give us like an overview
of like what some of those relationships were like, or
(25:09):
you're learning experience through them and what you've learned coming
out of bad relationships and when you're hoping what you're
hoping for in a future relationship. Yeah, definitely. UM. So
I feel like for me, I feel like it took
a long time to to learn about myself and UM
(25:30):
kind of UM get a little bit more of UM
just the self awareness of some of the ways I
was moving through the world and some of the types
of people I was attracting, and UM, I'm someone that
UM like just kind of because of some of the
things in my in my background that I hadn't processed too.
(25:52):
It's like I feel like I was doing a lot
of UM, I guess like trauma bonding and and finding
these like really passionate it um and sometimes really exciting relationships,
but they weren't necessarily healthy. Um. And and then it
obviously took me a long time to really learn a
lot about myself too, because I only came out about
(26:12):
three years ago. UM, and I'm in my threeties. So
um it. I just think it took a really long
time to to just truly get to know myself and
um and then start to explore that. And then once
I came out and that was a whole new world
to relearn all about myself again and um kind of
go with the ups and downs of that. Um. So
(26:35):
it's been a long journey for me. I feel like
and and now I'm I feel like I'm in this
space where I know a lot more of what I
want and what I don't want. And I think that
because of that, it puts me more in the position
to be ready for a relationship because of just a
lot of the work that I've done within my own
personal life and the time that I've been single. Yeah, yeah,
(26:57):
I think I think you gotta nail it on the head.
I think Jared and I've talked about this in the
past on the on this podcast. Sometimes you have like
these trauma bonded relationships where you know they give you
certain types of feelings and you think they're good feelings,
but in the relationship isn't necessarily like the healthiest relationship. Uh.
And I think a lot of that just comes with
time and experience, right, So like as you go on,
you keep dating and you figure all that stuff out.
So it's good that you, I guess I've been able
(27:19):
to identify that. But then through the show, for what
this is a question for both of you guys, was
there anything that you learned through the filming of the
show about yourselves that you didn't know before? Yeah? I
feel like for me, I I I did learn that,
UM that I do like to take my time, uh
and really get to know someone. And it's very challenging
(27:44):
on a show like this when you have a lot
of dates coming through really quickly and you've got to
make fast decisions. Um. And I think because I'm I
think I'm more hesitant, um because of my past experiences.
I'm like, I want to make sure I make the
right destiny jan and I want to make sure that
I'm doing the right thing for for me and the
(28:05):
people around me and people and bringing my life. It's like,
I I kind of like take on a lot of
that pressure and I found that that was really challenging
for me. How about you, Marco, Yeah, I definitely learned that.
I'm so I'm a libra. I'm not like a huge astrologist. Um.
But we get the reputation for being very indecisive, and
(28:29):
I learned that I'm very direct, but I also sort
of like catered to, like not hurt people's feelings. And
I learned through this process that I can be more
direct when I like set an intention to be more direct.
Oh dude, I'm right there with you. You should talk
to my wife about that. She tells me, She's like,
(28:50):
what do you want? Tell me what you want, and
then I will do everything to try to make that happen.
And I'm like, oh, you know, I like always beat
around the bush. It's definitely to Mark L I definitely
relate with you on that one. My yeah. Um So Marquel,
I wanted to ask you a little bit as well. Um,
(29:11):
you know, what are some of the things going into
this process that you were looking for in a partner? Um? So,
I think you know you can see from the trailer, Um,
I framed it as I'm looking for that same feeling
that I had with my excent. I can kind of like,
you know, myself and Amanda's shoes. Actually was just saying,
you know, the fieries, the passion, the the excitement that
(29:34):
you get at the beginning doesn't. It isn't necessarily indicative
of what a healthy relationship could be. Um, so you know,
just really so, And that was my first relationship, That
was my first official Like how long were you guys?
How long did you guys date for? We dated for
six months? Okay? And then how long before the show
(29:56):
did you break up? We broke up and July and
we started filming, so about eight months okay. Because a
lot of people will ask, you know, when do I
know I'm ready to start dating again or possibly jump
into a relationship, So when did you know? When did
you feel like this was your time to start going
(30:17):
back into the dating pool? Um. I don't think that
there was like a distinct moment that I knew, but
I it took me a while too, not a while,
but it took me some time to get over it, obviously,
And it was just like a process of you know,
grieving the relationship, reading the loss of it, of this
person that I I was spending so much time with.
(30:39):
And then I don't know, I just started like going
on the apps, going out with people again and just
realizing like, okay, am I ready? Am I not? I
remember going on one day with somebody like before I
went on the show, and I was like, no, I'm
not ready, and because I just I just like completely
wasn't there. Yeah, have you have you there? You guys
been in touch with any of your ex is before
(31:00):
the airing of the show to kind of like let
them know what they're getting themselves into all that kind
of stuff or no, no, no, I'm gonna be a
lot of people that find out a lot about me
from this show coming out. That was one of the
weirdest things for me in my experience was having x
(31:21):
IS I guess see me on TV and then reach
out And it's always funny to see just kind of
like the disparities between certain people that you used to
be in your life and what they would say. But um,
but yeah, I mean that's it's it's interesting. Being vulnerable
is one thing. Being vulnerable on television is something completely different. So,
I mean, good to see you guys. Hopefully there's not.
I don't expect there to be any negative backlash specifically
(31:42):
from the x IS, but usually it's coming from a
jealous place. I would say, yeah, in terms of an
x to speak on that, it is it's not even
about the negative aspect. It's more so you know, you
don't think about an X watching you date on TV
when you're going through this journey. Not to like scare
you guys, but it is weird. I can attest to
(32:04):
dean Um that, you know, I I had a very
significant X and it was just weird for her to
like see these intimate moments that she's had with me
being played out on television. So it's definitely it's a
weird experience. Yeah, I do think it's weird when you
(32:24):
think about it. Yeah, you never think like you never think, oh, yeah,
one day my ex is gonna be dating on television.
You just that that thought never never crossed my mind.
So shout out to all the exes out there, see
you guys. The show premiers on what is it? Novembery Thursday,
right Thanksgiving? Actually funny enough? Can you guys before we
(32:47):
get let you get out of here. Can you guys
tease anything for us from the viewers perspective? What can
we expect to see just from your guys experiences? Are
you engaged? Okay? So what I will say, I think,
you know, following my story and knowing what I've gone through,
obviously I think it's kind of gonna be I don't
think anybody's gonna expect you know, what's going to happen
(33:09):
with me here? Okay, all right, so there's gonna be
some twists and turns. Okay, can appreciate that it's turns
ninety degrees, that's right there. I will say that there
is a plentiful amount of drama. Um, which that's always
(33:29):
fun to watch, so um and um. Yeah, I want
to kind of keep everyone hanging on on how everything
plays out in the end. We're gonna have to have
you both back after the show airs so we can
actually talk about what happened, so we can get in Yeah,
(33:51):
have you guys had a chance to see any episodes yet?
We are on the same place as everybody else, Right,
It's always such a fair You like want to text
your friends and tell them to tune in, but then
in the back of your head you're like, well, wait,
what if they see something that they're not supposed to.
I'm definitely feeling both about that. It's fun though, enjoy
(34:13):
it like wedding, and enjoy it. It's you know, not
many times you get to six. Did you guys know
each other? While the show was filming, did you did
you guys have the storylines cross paths at all? Maybe? Oh,
all right, maybe that's one of the TWI I don't know.
I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. Right, Well,
you were there, wasn't I wasn't in all the places
(34:37):
at all the time, So fair point. Okay, okay, Well
I see, I see what you're doing your planet well
close to the chest. I gotta I gotta respect that
you guys. Thank you so much for joining us. For
the listeners that obviously want to tune into the show,
It's on HBO Max twelve Dates of Christmas, premiering Thursday, November. Um,
I'll be tuning in. I'm excited to watch you guys. Uh.
And then I'm sure you guys are gonna be like
(34:59):
posting along and on Instagram and all that kind of stuff, right,
so where it? Could we fund? On Instagram? My Instagram
is Amanda Grace Jenkins, And yes, I'm definitely posting so
you get some behind the scenes stuff. Yeah, and I'm
at Dr marktel on Instagram. Alright, Dr Mark Hell, I
gotta love it. Well, you guys, thank you so much
for joining us. We're so excited to tune in next
(35:19):
Thursday and uh, I can't wait to see more. Thanks
for having us. What's going on? Everyone? Welcome back to
help I Suck at Dating And this week we have
(35:39):
a couple of emails. Um, I don't know I'm talking
so weird, but I just want to go ahead and say,
email us please, I Sucker Dating at iHeart media dot com.
I'm gonna actually I keep making mental reminders to myself
to send emails from an anonymous account for this podcast,
but I always forget. So what would do you want
to send? Oh? No, I would just make up some
(36:02):
incredibly ridiculous thing. Come on, we need something like from
your personal life you and Klin. Just send it an
anonymous you know what you should do? All right, here's
something that you need to do over the next let's
say before two, so you've got a month and a half.
I need you to send in an email as anonymous.
But it's an actual question about yours and Klin's relationship,
and we have to guess live on the podcast if
(36:25):
we think it's from you. Okay, Yeah, that's that's fine.
We'll just play this game from now on until the
end of two. Anytime an anonymous email rolls in. You
guys will have to decide whether or not you think
it's from me. You know, it's frustrating, Mark, what's up?
Dean's not gonna do this? You're right because this is
kind of Dean's thing. He talks about stuff but never
does it. That's why Carolin is gonna have to propose. Yes, Um, Mark,
(36:49):
I feel like you know me a little too well.
If you're down good by the way, I'm happy to
be here this week. Eastern's here, Jared's here, Hanna is here,
and the reason we're all here because we heard last
week episode, so we're all hands on deck this week. Yeah. Yeah,
that's really nice to you guys. Um, if you haven't
listened to last week's episode, you didn't miss much. But
it was just me by myself. Hannah was obviously there
(37:11):
as well a little bit. Riley was there, but I
didn't have Jared, I didn't have Mark, I didn't have Easton,
And let's be honest, you three are the clear backbone
of this podcast. If it just took me missing a
podcast to get everybody else here fully loaded, I'm gonna
start missing more weeks. Let's do this. I like it.
I like when everybody's here. It really does feel like
we're being spoiled when we get everyone like this, all right,
(37:31):
this is from Emily. This is not anonymous. We will
not be playing the game. This is from Emily, and
I think this is something a lot of people are
going through this time of year. Emily says, Thanksgiving us
next week, and I'm starting to get stressed. There's so
much pressure with relationships around the holidays. I've been seeing
this guy for about five months now, and my mom
is begging to meet him. Last week, I was in
(37:51):
the car with him talking to my mom on speaker
phone and he said she wants to meet him whatever.
Since then, he keeps asking when am I going to
meet your family. I'm afraid if I introduce him to
my family around the holidays, it's going to feel more
serious and speed things up between us. I'm super happy
at the pace we're moving and where we currently stand,
but also I don't want him to think I don't
(38:13):
care about him by not introducing him. Yeah, it's definitely
kind of like make your Break season in these weird,
uh purgatory relationships where you're dating but you're not boyfriend, girlfriend,
you don't know if it's gonna go long term or not,
so you don't want to introduce him to the family. UM.
I think we should all answer this first and foremost,
So Eastern Hannah, Mark, get your get your answers ready,
(38:34):
but Dean, get your thinking, get your thinking caps on. UM.
In my experience, if you like the person enough and
you know you're gonna be with him for a while,
why not just bring him over to meet the family,
you know, like, if you if you like him enough
to kind of continue dating him as it seems like
you have been, just bring him in and meet the family.
And a lot of times the family can kind of
help you make decisions too. It's like, you know, you
(38:56):
might not want to say it, but like your parents
and your siblings definitely a factor into your decision making
when it comes to dating. So I don't think it's
never I don't think it's ever really a bad thing
to bring them into your household for the holidays if
you actually see it lasting longer than more than just like, mom,
come on, it's been five months. I get that you
don't want to make the relationships speed up, but at
(39:18):
the same time, it's the holidays he's gonna be around
the family at some point. You might as will introduce
him now see if they get along. I mean, hell,
the Bachelor introduces them to their family like three weeks in,
so let's five months is plenty of time. You're not
speeding anything up. Meet mom. Five months there is a
good amount of time to be a mom. I think
(39:39):
that's normal, and I also think, unfortunately, Emily, I don't
think you have a choice here. I don't think you
can just kind of hide him throughout the holidays. I
think you've got to bring him to mom, whether you
want to or not. I know he's in the minor
leagues right now, and that automatically puts him in the
major leagues, and you may not want him in the
major leagues. I think everyone will get back to normal though,
once the new year comes around, and then you can
really decide if this is worth happening or not. I'm
(40:02):
concerned about the future of this relationship because you don't
seem excited about him meeting your parents. So I don't
know how if a year from now you're gonna have
the same problem. But I don't think you have a choice.
You gotta do it. Yeah, Emily is either embarrassed by
the family or embarrassed by the boyfriend. It's one of
the other. Right now, I mean, what's the worst that
will happen if you introduce him to the parents. Is
he gonna start a business with your uncle Bob? You know, Like,
(40:23):
I don't know what's gonna happen with everyone from now on,
how's your boyfriend? How's your boyfriend? Talked about the one
with your boyfriend? It's gonna be a lot of that
from mom and dad and brothers and sisters. You know.
I brought Allison to my grandparents house for the holidays
after we've been dating for like seven months or something,
and everything. Obviously everything was fine, we got married, But
there's ma from that event where we're all taking like pictures,
(40:44):
and at one point my aunt asked Allison, She's like,
could you take one of everybody? Like I think she
was like, we don't want if they break up in
six months. Yes, they're not family yet, Alison. That's the
funny thing that Alison will never forget. But at that
funny moment, now so Eastern, You're you're in the camp
of inviting him to Thanksgiving. Yeah, enviting Thanksgiving I say,
(41:07):
if you've been dating someone for two weeks, you should
invite them to Thanksgiving. I think that it's the more
the merrier, just invite him. I gotta say too, as
as we age, like as we become adults, um, getting
invited to things like Thanksgiving, especially for people, uh that
you know, don't have very close family ties, like myself,
it's always so nice. It's always so nice to like
have an outlet just to be like, yeah, I'd love
(41:27):
to come on, you know, over to Thanksgiving. How anything
else planned? So maybe like hopefully this guy has like
Thanksgiving with his family planned. That way you can invite him.
Maybe he can say he's gonna go to Thanksgiving with
his family instead, but like, at least that way, you
know he was invited, he knows he was invited, and
even if he didn't have a place to go, then
you're still kind of, you know, taking him under your
wing and bringing him over. So I think it's a
good thing all around. We have yet to hear from
(41:48):
the smartest person in the room, Hannah, what are your thoughts?
Oh my god, Well, I'm inviting my boyfriend to Thanksgiving
this year for the first time. But we've been together
for four years, but he's been around my family around
the holidays, but not actually on the day. But I
think that she could bring him around around the holidays.
(42:12):
I don't know. I do agree that bringing him around
on the actual day, like on Thanksgiving or on Christmas. Serious, Yeah,
that's a big step. Four years. How did you avoid
like last year? I guess last year was COVID, So
maybe we threw a wrench in there. But even two
years ago, you guys were dating for two years and
he's still incoming for the holidays. Well, I mean he
would come around the time, but on the actual day,
(42:34):
he would want to be with this family. I would
want to be with my family. And we're still young.
But now I feel like we're at the age where
he's living where my family lives up in Norclso just
makes more sense. Yeah, now you're old, it makes more sense. Yeah,
But I agree with what Dean said. I think getting
the family's opinion and having them meet him could kind
of be insightful and could help guide her if I
(42:56):
don't know if this actually is going to work out
or not. It's also good market research, you know, because
you're supposed to be like, oh, you're like, oh, I
love it. He's so funny, he's great. He was so
helpfully helped clean up after dinner, Like it's good to
kind of see how he interact with these people focus group. Absolutely,
I gotta say too. I have always firmly I've always
(43:18):
firmly believed that I never needed my family's approval with
the person I was dating. That like, if I like someone,
I liked him and I didn't care what they said. Um,
but I think I told the story already on this
podcast before last time, I brought Klein. Uh, well, I
brought Kaylin and my brothers many times, my oldest brother,
the person I look up to more even more than Mark,
if you can believe that or not. Um. Yeah, so
you know I love the guy really really quite a bit. Uh.
(43:39):
He pulled me aside and he's like, you know what, Team,
I feel like you finally got it right with Klein,
and I'm really proud of you. And I was like,
you know, I never realized how much I needed to
hear that from you before, but it did. It makes
a difference. So to get your family's approval on someone
is it's I think it's pretty important. That's a sweet story.
That is a sweet story. So the second emails from
Capri and Market don't many stuff undershows. But I'm curious
because it's four questions. Could we do a speed round
(44:00):
where all of this answer really quickly? Okay, fine, here
we go, Caprice says, first question, what was your first
impression about your partner? She cries a lot, Yeah, dramatic
giant asked you better be talking about Alison. I am okay, eyes,
(44:20):
eyes and face in general. Mm hmmm nice. Huh, athlete,
I don't know, okay, Okay. Have you started to do
something because of each other's influence? Uh? I've I've showered
more often because of her. Thank God for Klein, Thank
(44:41):
you Wolf Jared. I would say I've definitely um been more.
I've been able to articulate more directly what I want
in life. I mean, it's been twenty four years. It's
a long list, but I'll say I've become a dog
lover because I never had pets growing up. You are
a dog lover before your wife, I we didn't have any.
(45:05):
I didn't have any paths of dogs, cats, didn't have anything.
I ever lived with a dog until my wife. Well,
at least you've come to the right side now, Thank you, Jared.
I mean I have a long list too, but the
two that come to mine are drinking more water and
we're in sunscreen. Oh, sunscreen. Nice. I haven't come around
the sunscreen thing yet, but maybe one day mine would
be to be better about managing my money. Okay. Will
(45:29):
you say sorry to your partner even if it's not
your fault? Yes, all the time I do it. It's
sarcastically pretty often. Um does that count? This is so
deem to dig it as you. I have a hard enough.
I had a hard I have a hard enough time
saying sorry when it actually is something I'm sorry for.
(45:50):
So if it's not my fault, I uh, you're a
hard press to get me to say sorry if it's
not my fault. Of course. Also, whatever brings peace sooner
I will do thousand it. Yeah. I say when it's
not my fault almost exclusively, and my answer is absolutely not.
I'm so sorry. Yeah. Nice. Me and Hannah we got
(46:10):
this one. I mean, maybe eventually we'll come around to
you guys way of thinking. But if it's not your fault,
I apologize. Dean and Hannah picked they chose violence this morning.
And finally, can you ask, what is something you're looking
forward to with your partner having a kid? Good one?
Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's just an obvious one.
(46:31):
Um something I look forward to with my answer, No,
I know, but it's just there's obvious answers and there's
um less. Obviously I want that US Weekly headline. I'll
be the inside source, all right, Yeah, inside source close
to Dean. Um. Something I'm excited to do with my partner,
(46:54):
just you know, more travel. I guess we're going to
South Africa with each other in a couple of months.
That's something I'm looking for. That's a good one. Next
year is our twenties wedding anniversary. In our anniversary have
been together, we're planning a trip and looks like we'rehit
your wage yard. We're looking at um Cape Cod Martha's vineyard. Yeah,
you guys are coming during the summer right, yeah, next
to August. Oh sweet dude, let me know, Well we'll
have a be around the cape. Excellent. I'm I don't
(47:19):
know nothing specific. I'm just looking forward to experiencing more
life with her everything, seeing new places, doing new things,
and uh, I don't know, just Everything I do with
Allison is fantastic, So I'm looking forward to doing more
of that. I liked it before Hunt answers. I just
want to point out eastn Um. Your time and spent
in Nashville for Ben in uh Chess's wedding very impressive.
(47:39):
You you were there for one a couple of days.
You had every museum, every you know, you crossed everything
off your list. It was fun to watch you guys.
You guys are great travelers. I feel like I would
want you to write an itinerary for me for the
next time I go somewhere. We when we go someplace,
we do it all and we do and she does
all the books that I want to say. It's it's
a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun.
(48:01):
It's great. I was impressed. Thank you. UM. I'm looking
forward to going to New York whichever for jingle Ball.
Ever been to New York before and it's been his dream?
Wait isn't jaball next week or something like that? Um
l A is the first is December three, but New
York is the week after, so coming up. We used
(48:23):
to go every year for Jingleball New York and it's
just the best time of the year to be there.
It's so great. I love going to see the tree.
It's really that's awesome. It's help I Second Dating. Not
allowed to go to jingle Ball this year, and yet
I've got that invite. Yeah, I guess maybe I'll just
keep my eyes peeled on my email. I'm sure back
in you will be there scrubbing it will be there.
Those Yeah, they're probably gonna be freaking hosting the event anyway.
(48:46):
That's gonna do it. For this week's episode of Help
I Suck at Dating, Mark Easton Hanna, thank you guys
so much for chiming in and helping us answer these questions.
Keep emailing us I Second Dating at iHeart media dot com.
Big thank you, of course to Marquel An Amanda. Be
sure to watch HBO max Is Twelve Dates of Christmas Thursday,
November twenty premieres. Um, thanks for Jared for us sticking
(49:08):
around and coming to host this podcast with me this week.
I would say anytime, but I've missed a couple of podcasts,
so hopefully next week totally totally understandable. Man, You've got
a lot going on. Um, but yeah, maybe next week
where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow
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