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June 5, 2025 14 mins
Kentucky Congressman Brett Guthrie (KY-02) is Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Commision, the launch pad for President Donald Trump's Big Beautiful Bill. 

Rep. Guthrie discusses the bill's benefits and necessity while also answering emotional complaints raised by Democrat Governor Andy Beshear and Rep. Morgan McGarvey, both claiming that worthy Medicaid beneficiaries would be stripped of coverage.

The AM Radio in Every Vehicle Act, a longstanding safety net during emergencies when wifi and other communication platforms are out of service, is also on a path to passage, according to Rep. Guthrie.

The drama surrounding President Trump and Elon Musk trolling each other is also discussed.

What a day!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right, welcome back. Good have you on.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's been quite a while. I know, A lot's going
on since the last time I've been on the lots
going on today.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say on the radio.
A lot's going on since you had lunch today, you,
of course, our chairman of the House Committee on Energy
and Commerce. The Big Beautiful Bill has emerged. You've sent
it over to the US Senate. There's been a lot
of ping ponging going on between various voices, including some
of your colleagues. Rand Paul obviously is in the Senate.

(00:31):
You know what he's had to say. Thomas Massey is
pushing back to so what is the health of the
Big Beautiful Bill at this hour?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
So the situation, the Big Beautiful Bill is in the Senate,
so it passed out of the House Representatives. My committee,
the Energy and Commerce Committee, was asked to say eight
hundred and eighty billion dollars, and I love to report
to the people in your listening era that we saved
over a trillion dollars of taxpayer money. I know a

(01:03):
lot of people say that when you have tax cuts
that that adds to the deficit. But here's the problem.
So we send over a trillion, but if you add
in the tax cuts, they say that we actually so
tax cuts are greater than a trillion dollars, So therefore
it is that negative to the treasury. But if we
let these tax cuts that expire, it'll be a four
billion dollars for trillion dollar tax increase, and I think

(01:27):
that's just going to negatively hurt the economy. So I
don't agree this is going to increase the deficit. We
have to get the deficit under control, but I don't
believe this specific bill does that in our trillion dollars.
You've seen a lot of comments on Medicaid, and I
just want to focus on that because I've had some
criticism from some people in Kentucky. They talk about people

(01:48):
will medicate. The only people affected by Medicaid by this
bill are people that are illegal, ineligible, or able, and
we protect the most vulnerable. And here's the story. So
we have people that the Biden administration that people get
on Medicaid for some reason, they become not qualified for

(02:08):
Medicaid anymore. The Biden administration made it almost impossible to
put people off Medicaid that they don't qualify.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Do you mean they were like, we don't do Brett.
Do you mean they were like put on during the
COVID time period. They were added a.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Cod and then they were not allowed to come off
because they said, we don't want to take people off
Medicaid during COVID, so don't qualify the other There are
people that are illegal, there are states that cover illegal
people are not here illegally on Medicaid. And the third
is the biggest number. They say five million people is
able bodied people from the ages of nineteen to sixty four.

(02:41):
We exempt if you're pregnant, if you have a defended child,
if you're taking care of a dependent parents, your caretaker
for a parent, if your substituse disorder. We really whittled
it down to people that truly are choosing not to work,
and they can choose not to work because the government
covers their healthcare and it's not fair to hard work
in Kentuckians. I know I've been criticized by the Democratic

(03:01):
Party in Kentucky about it, but I will tell you
Kentucky has lower work participation rate than other states. We
have people that are on Medicaid, they're getting free health
care that are able to work. There is a study
by the American Enterprise Institute, which is nationwide, not Kentucky,
but the people in this class and we're talking about
spend over six hours playing video games or other kind

(03:22):
of socializing. I think it's blatantly unfair. I think a
vast majority of Kentuckian's believe in the vast majority of
Americans believe these people should be working and you shouldn't
go to work have to pay for their health care
so they don't have to work.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, Kentucky Governor Andy Basher, Congressman, your colleague Morgan McGarvey,
they're on social all the time talking about how you're
stealing medicaid from people and it's inhumane, and you're taking
away snap benefits, you're starving children, you're putting grandma on
the porch with ice cubes in her mouth, all that
other stuff. So is that all hyperbole? Is that non

(03:59):
sense that the Democrats are saying.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, I just explained to our bill and I'll stand
by it. People who are not eligible people. If they
want to defend the people that are not eligible for
the program to begin with, people that are here illegally,
if that's their stand that people who are not legal
legally President of the United States, to get they should
get free healthcare paid for by Kentucky taxpayers and federal taxpayers.

(04:24):
And if their stand is you should be able to
stay home and play video games and not have to
go to work, that's fair criticism. I'll stand by that.
People that are not legally here and who should otherwise
be working, they can criticize me for that, But I
think that's how to sync with the people of Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
President Trump earlier today, talking about Elon Musk, said he
knew all the inner workings of this big, beautiful bill
better than anyone sitting here. That was part of his
quote right there. He said, all of a sudden he
had a problem. He only developed the problem when he
found out we're going to cut EV mandates. Elon Musk
then quote tweets him and says false. This bill was
never shown to me even once, and was passed in

(05:01):
the dead of the night. Then Thomas Massey, your colleague
here in Kentucky, said the House has a seventy two
hour rule, which requires the bill to be posted seventy
two hours before passage. The speaker circumvented this rule with
a manager's amendments, which means essentially they printed out the
bill and then told everybody, here we go, let's debate,
let's go on. It is that correct and is that legal?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Well, it is legal according to our rules, and so
what happens. So you have the bill, the bill text
was posted, we were going through rules committee. There were
certain people coming said, hey, I need this change in
the bill because all we'll both word of them. I'll
get this change very minor technical corrections. And so when
you talk about a manager's amendment, it's not that you

(05:46):
refile the entire bill. It's just very specific corrections to
the bill. And it was absolutely fire filed in time
for people to make the read. I was actually at breakfast,
so we stayed up all night voting from the one
big Beautiful bill, and I had breakfast straight from voting
with Elon Musk himself, and I will tell you we

(06:06):
sat there and talked about energy AI Energy for AI.
I'm telling you I went from voting on the floor
to breakfast with Elon Musk and he never mentioned I
can't believe you were up all night voting on a
bill in the middle of the night that never came
up at our We sat there talk to each other
for about an hour.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
But is this really about cutting EV electric vehicle mandates?
This is really what he's mad about because he's the
granddaddy of Tesla.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, I don't know. He never mentioned EV's or somebody.
I had another press person say in any of your
meetings that did Elon Musk ever bring up that he
doesn't want you to have this in the bill? He
didn't do that. I mean, that would be self serving
if he did. And I'll just have to say he
never brought up EV mandates to me and knew. I
assume he knew that it was in the bill because
it's been in the bill from the very very beginning.

(06:54):
We and believe me, EV mandates. We have two battery
plants been built in Glendale in my district. But my
position has always been that people, they're great cars. Tesla's
a great car, the Ford F one fifty Lightning is
a great vehicle, and they're going to have wonderful batteries
coming out of Glendale. But people need to make the
choice whether they want to buy these or not and
not be forced on the American people. But he never

(07:16):
brought that up to me. In any meeting, And as
matter of fact, like I said, I literally went from
the House floor to meet to breakfast with him after
that vote, because we ended up voting about five thirty
or six thirty in the morning, and it after all
night debate, So that's fair. We did debate through the night,
but he never mentioned that I can't believe I'll just
vote in that in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
His Senator ran that.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Was about as press as you can be at that moment.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Is Senator Ran Paul's math wrong? Because he keeps going
going on every show saying that this big, beautiful bill
is wrong. It's adding trillions to the budget deficit. So
is he wrong?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, you know, we have a Congressional Budget Office score
that does say that this will add money to the deficit.
Here's my view of it, So I mean, factually, that's fred.
Here's my view. My committee saved over a trillion dollars
in spending. We save up to one point five tree
in total. So my committee had two thirds of all
the savings in the bill. The other numbers, so we

(08:14):
save a trillion and a half of spending. So the
number that is being said is that okay, So we're
going to have four trillion in tax cuts. So if
you take four train and tax cuts erase one and
a half three dollars in spending, that's where that number
comes from. The two and a half tree is going
to add to the debt. So the Congressional Budget Office

(08:34):
says it's going to add two and a half trillion
because it's only going to generate one point five percent
economic growth the budget. Congressional Budget Office is notoriously wrong
in projecting how much tax cuts increase economic growth. And
because these are reinstating the Trump tax cuts from five

(08:55):
years ago, if we don't vote for this bill, then
four trillion dollars of tax cuts and we lose the
one and have three dollars in savings, we get the
one four trellion dollars tax increase, and I will say
that'll have negati effects on the economy and continue to
run deficits. And so we just disagree on the numbers.

(09:16):
But he's not wrong. We disagree on those numbers. I
would not say wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, well, we all know that they were talking about
a July fourth deadline, but that's not a drop dead deadline.
But you're trying to get it done over in the
Senate and then you massage had the House leaders and
the Senate leaders before Independence Day.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I hope they do it by July. Well, you
have to set a deadline, as you know, in the
General Assembly of the old days, they don't do it
anymore because I think it was ruled on concuution, but
they would stop the clock at midnight. I mean, everything
works to a deadline. The reason we got our bill
out by by Memorial Day weekend, and the reason we
did it through the night because Vigger Johnson said, we're
because people kept saying, let's delay. Did we get back

(09:57):
and you would just continue delay and continue to delay,
and so he said we're going to vote on before
we break from Memorial Day, and he stuck to that,
and it brought a lot of different people had different
opinions together because in the end, you either had to
vote for four trillion dollars of tax cuts wanted and
to have trillion dollars of savings, or you voted against it.

(10:18):
And so almost every Republican voted for it, almost every
Democrat voted against it, and so that I think two
Republicans voted against it, and so you really have to
work to a deadline and hopefully Leader Thuned will be
as strong. And the reason we kind of voted through
the night. You got to remember is that Democrats debated
every single amendment. They filed over hundreds of amendments of

(10:39):
the bill. We had the bill in a rules committee
before we could vote it on the floor through I
think they had over twenty four hours of amendments in
the committee and so it forced us to vote into
the middle of the night because of the situation that
the Democrats did. It's their right to do it. But
Speaker Juxas says, we're going to go twenty four hours
of whatever time we the Democrats with their debate and

(11:01):
they're kind of they knew they were going to win
the moment, they kept delaying it, and we're going to
go continuously and scause we're going to get this done
by Memorial Day. And that's the reason we're in the middle.
And as I said, I went for voting on the
board of breakfast with Elon Musk and he never mentioned
never mentioned, boy, I can't believe you guys were voting
through the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're speaking with the Chairman of the House Committee on
Energy and Commerce. He's Congressman Brett Guthrie from Kentucky. Congrats
on your Support Act which went through. I know you're
working on other things. You and I also talked about
the AM and Every Vehicle Act some time ago. You know,
we just had tornadoes again. We've had a series of
those things ripping up parts of Kentucky. Wi Fi goes out,
who's their radio? We come through over and over again.

(11:42):
So what whatever happened with that is that? Are you
committed to getting that on President Trump's desk?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
So my committee has spent the last couple of months
directly but actually the last six months directly on the
on the President's reconciliation of the One Big Beautiful Bill.
And now we're we've got out of committee, we're back
in session. We were out for a Memorial Day week,
and that's on our agenda to work together. We're working
with automotive companies. They're saying, let's they have different opinions

(12:11):
on things, you know, for it's a big and General motors.
They're in our district. We want to get it right.
They employ a lot of people in theirs who want
to get it right. But we're going to pass a
bill I strongly predicted. I can't guarantee unless I have
the boats county, but I strongly believe we're going to
pass the bill that ensures that all vehicles that you
buy will have AM radio. Yeah, it's only that we're

(12:31):
going to be working on that this summer.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, if it's only a three dollars fix. They're trying
to act like this is some complicated thing. It's not.
I've read up on all this electronically and it's just nothing.
It's a small little fix for people said there was
some interference, but AM radio has been proven over and
over again to be a valuable asset in emergencies. Wi
Fi is down.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Boat really when the power goes out and you can
go sit in your car and journal on the radio
if you're driving down Hey, I've been driving home from
Frankwort during a session and listening to the Terry Miner Show,
and they warned me of a tornado coming, and when
I was driving home from Frankfurt back probably I don't
know when the tornado came through Frankfort. Had to be
around two thousand and four or five, sometime before two
thousand and eight, I know, and I was listening to

(13:13):
your show, and I think they broke in and said,
there's a tornado coming. And so, not only is eight
forty and AM Radio reported, so is the Terry Miner Show.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I appreciate that, but I mean, we're here every day
twenty four to seven, and I just want to remind
you this is a different technology than anything that's Wi
Fi based. That's why that's important. And it is a
simple before WiFi.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
But that literally happened when I was pulling out a
frankfort one day. That had to beus. I couldn't even
get but it was before two thousand and eight or seven,
Harry around. But I was literally listening to your radio
and wow, there's a big cloud coming, and y'all warned
of a tornado coming. Well, so it's important that people
I've accessed to AM Radio.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But if they act like it's too expensive, it's cheaper
than a Starbucks to just it's a three dollars fix.
I've read all this stuff over and over again. Anyway,
I just want to put that in your ear again.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Wrongly believe you're going to see that Bill moves all right.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I appreciate the time. I know you're in the Missy
the midst of voting. So we'll talk again sometime soon, Congressman.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, it won't be as long this time.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, get home soon. And I hope it's not an
uncomfortable uber with Thomas Massey in the other seat. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Kentucky's Congressman for the second District, Brett Guthrie, chairman of
the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. And that's live
from Washington. Back in a minute.
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