June 12, 2025 • 26 mins
Longtime KET host Bill Goodman - now executive director of Kentucky Humanities - sits for a long form interview on today's media challenges, values, and future.
Two old media dogs talking shop. Good stuff.
Bill will host the Kentucky Book Festival: Louisville Edition this Saturday at Paristown.
Two old media dogs talking shop. Good stuff.
Bill will host the Kentucky Book Festival: Louisville Edition this Saturday at Paristown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have some people in the media in Kentucky that
a lot of people say that guy he knows everybody
in the state. Some people point to me and say that,
But I can guarantee you the fellow I'm about to
introduce knows more people in the Commonwealth of Kentucky than
anyone else. It's just that just goes with the work
over all the years. Bill Goodman, Welcome to this program, Terry, Terry, Terry,
(00:23):
we finally get to be in the same studio together.
How long have I've been a fan of yours? How
long have I've been a fan of yours. It's just
good to see you, and you know, I've admired your
work and you've informed and enlightened people for so many decades.
That was until like nine years ago. You left k
ET nine years ago, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's a lot of people think I'm still on there.
At three o'clock in the morning. You know, they're doing
the book club at k ET reruns and I'll see
somebody out in public and they'll say, could you get
me in touch with that?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So we stopped doing that in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It never goes away. And I just first of all,
thank you so much. It indeed is an honor to
be in your presence, and I really sincerely mean that,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But we're working in the greatest state in America. I
love the people, the diversity of our state because there's
so much here. We're so rich in so many different
things because of the breadth of the state, the width
and breath of the state. There's so much here.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And how many times do you run into people who've
never been to Paducah, or wouldn't think about vacationing at
the breaks Interstate Park outside of Pikeville, or if they're
from western Kentucky, they've never been east of raupp Ana, Right,
That's one thing that I'm concerned about, And I think
that's the beauty of the reach of your programs over
(01:50):
the years. And k e t quite frankly and Kentucky
Humanities because we're a state wide agency. At the same time,
people need to get out and get to know Kentucky,
all one hundred and twenty counties and get to know
the people there. And you're exactly right, it's a it's
a beautiful it's a great state.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My son works for Fraser History Museum and he does
drop into all the one hundred and twenty counties. He
did a he assembled music from each of the counties. Amazing.
They have a cool Kentucky feature over there and he's
been a big part of that. So he still goes
out on the road. I guess I shouldn't tell you
(02:28):
what he's doing right now because he's waiting until he
gets I'll tell you off the air infewans because it's
hilarious secret. Well, it's hilarious he's doing. He's going to
every county in Kentucky because he's learning, and he's also
doing some research. But he's just doing a little sidebar
project that he's going to do on TikTok. So I
can't ruin his coverty.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Isn't that other guy that's in radio. Let's see what
is his name? It's a simple last name starts with
A Jones, Matt Jones. Who didn't he do one hundred
and twenty county of the I think that when he
did his book, he did his Mitch Please was his book?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah? He did it? And where's your book?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We're working on a family one right now. I'm one
of fourteen kids, so we're we're going to have a
fourteen chapter book. In chapter five, since I'm the fifth
chapter five, it's called Terry. That's how that works. What's
you called again? Terry will be chapter five, and then
you know, chapter one will be lou He's the oldest,
and then chapter two will be Mariene. We're going to
go through. That's some Kentucky history right there, Rich Kentucky history. Yeah,
(03:29):
so you are here for a book purpose this Saturday.
Tell me about the Kentucky Book Festival. Terry.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We've been involved with the Kentucky Book Festival for forty
four years. We have been managing it at Kentucky Humanities.
For the last ten we had it in Frankfort.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
One year.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was always in Frankfort, and then it moved to
the all Tech Arena and then from the all Tech
arenas of the Lexington's Joseph Beth Booksellers, a huge forty
five thousand squat square foot bookstore which which we take
over for a day usually in the fall.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This year it's on Noverman the first.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But we've always had people from all over the state
say when you're you going to bring that book festival
to us, either in Paduca or Pikeville.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Or Owensboro.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Louisville is near and dear to our supporters and sponsors
at Kentucky Humanities. And so this year we decided to
come to Paris Town, which everyone knows about here in Louisville.
And it's going to be a great day this Saturday,
June fourteenth, ten to five, free to all comers.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
We've got a great array of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Lineup of authors, We've got children's activities. It's in some
ways a mirror but different than the big flagship book
festival that we do each fall. So we've got a
lot of things lined up for the folks in Jefferson
County and from far and near. I mean, we're hope
that we get a big crowd from all over. So
(05:01):
it's something new for us and something, as I said,
really exciting for us to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's a great venue, and I've interviewed a ton of
authors over the years. People are connected to this area.
I'll just throw it like Bob Hill. You know, I
know he's gone to go beat them, but yeah, of
course he is. The dude is already he's writing two
books ahead, already does every time I saw him derby week.
So which book are you on now Hill, and he said, well,
(05:26):
the one I'm doing right now is this, and then
the one after that is He's already got chapters written.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Bob Hill is one of those wonderful writers that had
a career for many, many years, and now.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It is out of that limelight.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Doesn't get the byline that he once did, but now
is writing about his life and his stories and the
people that he met, and we're just delighted. He was
at our book festival Life Fall in Lexington, right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
His stories are incredible about you and I are both
media dogs, so we understand this. He got called up
to Chicago. He's going to write for the Chicago trip.
He thinks orcas he's in Iowa at the time. He
goes up to Chicago and I'm just I'm paraphrasing in
his story, but it's in his book. He goes up
there and essentially he's all nervous and he's dressed up
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and he goes in the big building there in Chicago
and parks his car and he can't believe it costs
twenty eight dollars a part or whatever it is. But
he goes up there and he's all Finally, he tells
the person at the desk who he is, and they
eventually they send you in to an office and the
editor or a sports guy or whatever is is turned
around the other way, and then he turns around to
Bob Hill and essentially says, what are you doing here?
(06:36):
And Hill was all excited for weeks. He thought that
they were finally seeing his genius and calling him up there.
But he never wanted a taste of that big town.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
His career worked great right here.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And you would think that the people that we used
to read and we used to know, like a Joe Creesen, right,
or some of those columnist Brian Crawford, who are still
around writing and having a good life. You're out of
the limelight. Have you ever talked with Did you talk
with Michael Tackett, the author of Sinat McConnell's book. No,
(07:11):
you will come out and meet him on Saturday. I'll
have to do that there, and he's going to be
in conversation with former Congressman another friend of yours, John Yarmouth,
So they're going to be on our main stage. That's
the other part of being at a book festival is
that not only are the authors there for people to
meet and greet and get an autograph and hopefully by
their book. We have stage presentations throughout the day, starting
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early in the morning at about ten fifteen, going all
the way through five o'clock with an array of different genres.
That's a big fancy Oh yeah, that's a good one
and not a good word to use. Fiction, non fiction,
and poetry and discussions with all kinds of people.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So it's just a great day.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If I run into a lot of people though, who've
never been to a book festival, and it's kind of
hard to explain it to somebody. They have to come
out and see it, and that's what we want people
in Louisville to do this coming Saturday.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I love interviews with authors. I love doing them in
that chair you're in. I've had a lot of different
people in there over the years. The late Sue Grafton
was just wonderful to talk with. She just sold millions
and millions of books and was just the most unassuming
person but very disciplined. I was at lucky enough to
be at her house in California one time and saw
(08:22):
the little room where all those books came out of.
A is for Alibi B is. You know, she went
through the whole alphabet, all the way to the end,
and that little bitty You look at that little space
and think the person there and what they've created. That's
going on in places all around the world. These authors,
they've got their little ideas, but they have their structure.
She was nine o'clock in the morning, exactly, there's the coffee,
(08:44):
there's this, and then boom starts writing. I heard her
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
In fact, I spoke with her too, And if you
don't mind me name dropping just a little bit the afternoon,
the afternoon of the evening that I saw her in
conversation with John Grisham.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
John Grisham was in a conversation with her in Lexington
at the Kentucky Theater, and he is his practice is,
he said, I just sit down at the typewriter and
it just flows.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't do any research. I don't do any outlines. Now.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
As you know, Sue used to outline each chapter and
she did the research on it. John said, I just
let it flow and it just comes out. I don't
believe that for a minute, do you No. That's nerve
racketing hard. You're walking a tight rope. And then you
have to have a point Z. You got a point
a jumping off points, but you got to wind it
(09:38):
through all these things to get to the end. Well,
another drop another name, because I interviewed this fella here
in Louisville at one of the Chamber of Commerce events,
Tucker Carlson, and he had written a book about gosh.
This has been maybe fifteen years ago, and it was
a good book. It was really well done, well written,
and it was before Tucker was Tucker m hm. And
(10:00):
I said, when you're going to write your next book,
and he said, I'm not writing the next book. Writing
is hard, and it is. It's really a labor mostly
of love from a lot of people. But rarely do
I run into anybody that I've talked with who sits
right down at the computer now or their iPhone or
whatever it happens to be and the words just flow.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
It just doesn't happen like that. Yeah. I had grossham
On here one day as well, and just I forgot
what it was the premise was, but it was, you know,
when you're talking to people like that, I'm just always wondering.
I would love to see an imaging of their brain
working it just must be firing all up and then
they get an idea and they're at the coffee shop
(10:42):
and he goes, well, hold that thought, and then they
put it on their phone or whatever, because it just
can't extemporaneously roll out classic literature.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I really enjoyed and did. Don't do it as much anymore,
But when I was doing a podcast for Kentucky Humanities
after I left k ET, I did have a lot
of authors on and I do enjoy talking with them
about their their craft, their practice. You know, some of
these names like Ed McClanahan went to his uh, Tom Eblin,
(11:12):
former editor at the Lexington Herald Leader, and I are
supposed to be working on a book on We have
the title where Kentucky Writers Write, and Tom's taking the
photos and I'm doing some of the interviews and narratives,
and it's taking people into their workspace, people like Wendell
Berry and Mary Ann Taylor Hall and Ed God bless
(11:32):
him before he passed away, invited us into his writing room,
which was just stacked full of things that he had
collected over the years when he was at Stamford with
Ken Kesey of course, and some of those names that
you and I know that maybe your listeners exactly. You
know all of that. And they were they were close friends.
(11:53):
That's when Wendell Berry was out there and and Ed
Has he had a he had a desk, was cluttered,
he had a little memory bi Lee here and there.
But that's where he did his work. And that's the
subject of the book is where Kentucky writer's right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
As wild as some people are, they're like Hunter Thompson,
there's still a discipline. There's a structure within the madness
that produces that. That's what fascinates me. And I've talked
a lot of CEOs as you have. There are people
who are used to bossing people around and delegating authority
and then they want to write their book and there's
still that structure is what leads them to point Z.
(12:31):
So let me ask you on in chapter five of
the Family Memoir, that's right right, it's Terry, Terry's name
number five. Yeah. Do you get up at four am
in the morning and write for two hours and didn't
have a cup of coffee and then go play golf
and then come back into your show or do you
write after you get off your show and go home
and write from nine to midnight. I think about it
(12:51):
sometimes and write down a phrase, a bullet point phrase,
and I know what I want to say about it.
It's just you have to have the phrase, the bullet
point phrase, and then I can do it in the
morning or three in the afternoon, doesn't matter. Yeah, So
a mine's just starting, So we're getting to work on that.
So the tables are going to be flipped a bit
that you're going to be an author. Wouldn't it be great, folks,
(13:12):
to have Terry Miners as one of our headliners or
thirteen Kentucky Big Festival, as many of the Miners fourteen
minors siblings as we're each doing it chat, Well, we'll
figure that out. That would take up the whole book
Festival page. Bill Bill Goodman is in the studio with us.
You know him from Kentucky Tonight. He did it for
decades on k E T. But he is with the
(13:35):
University of Kentucky now executive director of Kentucky Humanities, the
organization that's behind the Kentucky Book Festival. They have a
special edition if you will this Saturday at Paristown. What
are the hours on this ten to five? All right?
Sit tight. We're going to talk more about media in
the modern age. Took forward to it. Bill Goodman in
the studio back in if you on news radio, wait
(13:56):
forty whas youre what news radio? Eight forty wh s
Terry miners here Bill Goodman in the studio. He will
blush if I call him the great Bill Goodman. You
know his name from Katie t over the years. But he,
of course now is the executive director of Kentucky Humanities.
(14:16):
Then there they have the Kentucky Book Festival coming up
this weekend. We'll talk more about that in a few minutes.
All right, dude, you've been on TV and radio and
all that for a long long time. You've been in
many markets. You've been a news director too, haven't you, Yes, sir,
reporter anchor, news directory. Is this like Ralph Edwards? Well yeah,
this could be how much money do you have in
(14:37):
your pucket? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
In my life now, I have been Terry. It's been
it's been an honor. It's been a wonderful life. I've
been so blessed. I'm seriously, I'm very grateful for the
opportunities that came my way, and I appreciate, I appreciate
you talking about it today.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, just the whole timeline for both of us is
about the same window. In the media, It's changed so
drastically and so nowadays. What are we to believe? There's
so many things. I mean, the President of the United
States has lawsuits pending lawsuits against various networks and one
of them did pay him money over editing, or maybe
(15:20):
that's CBS ABC paid him money. I forgot what that
was about. Where are we now? What do we do?
How do we build trust again so that people hear
us and what they refer to as the mainstream media.
What do we need to do to win back trust? Terry?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think, like many things in our wonderful world, we
may not ever be able to attain that again for many,
many decades. I think it's going to be so different,
and I think that has a whole lot to do
with the distribution of our news and the way we
receive it. I'm talking about social media right. Teach at
(16:01):
Transylvania University a couple of years ago, maybe three years
ago now, and I remember, like yesterday asking my kids
in my writing and journalism class where they got their news,
and one person answered that they used Facebook, and Rush Limbaugh,
(16:25):
and I said, in all due respect to your opinion, Sir,
Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist and is not really
touted as being a newsperson. He says that himself when
Rush was alive, and he said why, and we had
that discussion. But I think that's where the younger generation
(16:47):
is today. And I'm not sure that you and I
go back long enough when Walter Cronkite was the most
trusted man in America, I don't I'm not sure we'll
ever get that back. I think journalism is in a
very precarious place in the history of broadcasting of journalism,
(17:08):
and it would take somebody much smarter than myself to
try to figure out what the next steps are. I
have a great sympathy for the people who are who
are on the air today or are doing the work.
Look what happened recently at CBS at sixty minutes, notable
sixty minutes when the head producer who'd been there since
(17:29):
the very beginning walked out because of this other did
you happen to see or hear Leslie Stall most recently
talking about it. Now, she's been there since the very beginning.
She's concerned. She hasn't quit yet, but it won't take
much to move her out. Now, Younger people gen Z's
(17:52):
and younger might say, who are you talking about? Leslie Who? Right,
They don't watch sixty minutes anymore, they don't watch commercial
television anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Objectivity dead because Dan Rather goes on Twitter. He still
goes on and he rails like a crazy person. And
Keith Olberman, who I get it, he was a sports guy.
But people who are out there just railing and cursing
all the time, just it's all so so out. There's
(18:20):
so much rage fueling all of this that it makes
you think, what in the heck, what kind of product
were you serving me, Dan Rather, when you were the
CBS News. An another journalist who you know well, you
know his work, Al Cross, who wrote for the and
still does for the Curry Journals for many many years.
We team taught a journalism class at the University of
(18:42):
Kentucky several years ago, and it would be interesting for
you to have Al on someday and ask him about
the question about objectivity. He doesn't think we should use
that word every one time. That's right. Decades ago, there
might have.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Been an attempt at one of us covering a story
not to take a side or be partisan one way
or the other. I always did my very very best
to walk right down the middle at all times. Al
says today, in today's media landscape, it's impossible to have
that somebody's going to have a bias, and that bias
(19:18):
is going to spill over into what they're reporting.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right, because we see people that are just crazy about
their Democrat and their heroes, and the other side is
crazy about their Republican heroes, and you're just not going
to talk them down off the ledge and all. They
don't want to hear anything from anybody else. I don't
want to hear your opinion. I'm just going to scream. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, I think that there might be a supreme effort
at some point, let's say during the next presidential election,
that may be things even out a little bit. And
but I just don't know if we'll ever get back
to the journalism that I practiced and that you are
so familiar with that we grew up on. I mean,
(19:58):
how many young people and I don't mean this to
I do sound like a curmudgeonty old you know what,
But how many people are reading the newspaper these days
even online? Are they really keeping up? My kids, who
produce for me wonderful smart grandchildren, They're not reading the
(20:19):
paper every day. They're keeping up, But I think they're
keeping up on social media like half the world.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I've got a twenty year old daughter. She knows if
it happens on TikTok, she knows about it. There you go,
and it's fascinating to me. How much do you ever?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just was with my children and grandchildren and we
had a good discussion about outlets that they use for
their information just information. How successful were you or are
you in talking with your daughter about TikTok is not
a news organization.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
She knows that, but is not interested in world events.
She's more interested in the things that they're talking about,
the little trends or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So the question or the limit that I have that
I can't answer, is that if a twenty year old
is practicing that kind of knowledge based information gathering at twenty,
where are they going to be at thirty?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And what happens when they want to be informed about
a vote that they have the facts in front of
them and they choose between candidaday or candidate b I
think it's a very troublesome time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump have called each other liars
in the last forty eight hours. Trump says, I told
him such and such on the phone. Gavin Newsom said
he's a liar. He's lying about this, and Trump says back, no,
he's lying about this. So you know, people choose their
sides and then they're just going to stay there and
say they're going to believe their guy and believe that
the other guy's a liar. I don't know how we
get out of that mud hole.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We stop relying on social media to give us those
kinds of juvenile, childish debates between grown ups.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But those are grown men and elective offices that are
saying those things. You see Gavin Newsom saying he's a liar.
Stone cold liar's the phrase he used today.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think that that now again, this is another generation
speaking name calling. When is the last time, except in
the present day, that politicians called each other names on
the floor of the House and Senate in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
In the seventeen hundreds, the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And historians like John Meacham will tell you that it's
happened before.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And we'll get through this.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, that's true, but you know, we're living through it,
and it's kind of hard to believe that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Hey, let me give you an update. I told you
earlier that Rand Paul was complaining about not being invited
to the White House picnic. He has indeed been invited
by President Trump. He said, of course, Ran Paul and
his beautiful wife and family are there. I'm going to
try to talk him into voting for my big, beautiful bill.
Rand Paul then tweets. Turns out my grandson and I
are actually invited to the congressional picnic. He's ready, and
(23:00):
it's a picture of Rand Paul holding his grandson wearing
a Make America Great Again hat. More power to Sator
Paul piece is at hand. Maybe that will that will
lead us to a more are you kidding me? A
more calm and measurable discussion in Washington about the budget buildings.
(23:25):
I hope we can think, I hope we can talk
down the road to about the twenty twenty six midterms
and then the twenty twenty eight Where do how does
America evolve from the Trump here? As George Clooney pointed out,
recently in an interview, he thinks Trump's a celebrity and
that the MAGA movement ends in twenty twenty eight. Oh,
I don't know that. I believe that. So we'll see.
(23:45):
We can discuss, all right. So Saturday, your book festival
is at Paris Town and he had a lot of
authors there and people are invited and it's free.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The Louisville edition, it's absolutely free, Rainer Shine. We've got
forty authors, we've got children's activities, we started ten. Would
you believe that the great City of Louisville is going
to present a proclamation to us?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Getting that cool?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And also honoring Kathleen Driscoll, the new poet Laureate for Kentucky.
She's another guest that I would suggest you have on
you talk about you and Kathleen could do poetry on
the air live.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Is the word Nantucket involved in this, because I don't.
It's not limericks, it's poetry.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Terry. She's going to be in conversation with Kristah wilkins In,
the former port laureate and novelist and non fiction writer
of a Wonderful cookbook last year that we featured at
the Kentucky Book Festival in Lexington. I mentioned earlier Michael Tackett,
the author of the authorized biography of Senator Mitch McConnell,
(24:50):
be in conversation with Congressman John Yarmouth. We have a
wonderful book that we pulled out of the stacks from
the nineties that another Louivillion, Linda LaPenta, edited of recipes
that your grandmother wrote about. These are essays that people
wrote about remembering their grandmother in the kitchen and what
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she made those good ham and biscuits and corn bread.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And that gravy. That was some concoction nobody knows. Nobody knows,
but it was delicious, wasn't it. It was grief based.
That's what up on that.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So that's a discussion with members that wrote in that
book in nineteen ninety two. They're going to be on
stage with her in conversation. The James Baker Hall Foundation,
you know James Beker Hall, famous University of Kentucky English
professor and poet himself. They are going to present their
(25:43):
first James Baker Hall Writing Award to a wonderful writer
who grew up in Kentucky is now in Tennessee working
for a state Park. His name is Wesley Hoop and
he is fascinating in what he's written about his Kentucky
in the Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's gonna be my next rapper. Name Wesley Hoop. I
like good rhymes with yeah, yeah, that's it. That that too.
You got Bill Goodman. It's great to see you. Great
to finally meet you and get on the air with you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, I've listened to you as I said, for Yeah,
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I've been on this show forty years. Forty years. I'm
going thirty more and so are you.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Probably listen for forty Thank you very much. We want
everybody to come out Saturday to the Kentucky Book Festival
Louisville Edition at Paristown on June fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You and I shall talk down the road. Thank thanks you, sir.
Bill Goodman back in minute on news Radio eight forty
WHA s
We have some people in the media in Kentucky that
a lot of people say that guy he knows everybody
in the state. Some people point to me and say that,
But I can guarantee you the fellow I'm about to
introduce knows more people in the Commonwealth of Kentucky than
anyone else. It's just that just goes with the work
over all the years. Bill Goodman, Welcome to this program, Terry, Terry, Terry,
(00:23):
we finally get to be in the same studio together.
How long have I've been a fan of yours? How
long have I've been a fan of yours. It's just
good to see you, and you know, I've admired your
work and you've informed and enlightened people for so many decades.
That was until like nine years ago. You left k
ET nine years ago, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's a lot of people think I'm still on there.
At three o'clock in the morning. You know, they're doing
the book club at k ET reruns and I'll see
somebody out in public and they'll say, could you get
me in touch with that?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So we stopped doing that in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It never goes away. And I just first of all,
thank you so much. It indeed is an honor to
be in your presence, and I really sincerely mean that,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But we're working in the greatest state in America. I
love the people, the diversity of our state because there's
so much here. We're so rich in so many different
things because of the breadth of the state, the width
and breath of the state. There's so much here.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And how many times do you run into people who've
never been to Paducah, or wouldn't think about vacationing at
the breaks Interstate Park outside of Pikeville, or if they're
from western Kentucky, they've never been east of raupp Ana, Right,
That's one thing that I'm concerned about, And I think
that's the beauty of the reach of your programs over
(01:50):
the years. And k e t quite frankly and Kentucky
Humanities because we're a state wide agency. At the same time,
people need to get out and get to know Kentucky,
all one hundred and twenty counties and get to know
the people there. And you're exactly right, it's a it's
a beautiful it's a great state.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My son works for Fraser History Museum and he does
drop into all the one hundred and twenty counties. He
did a he assembled music from each of the counties. Amazing.
They have a cool Kentucky feature over there and he's
been a big part of that. So he still goes
out on the road. I guess I shouldn't tell you
(02:28):
what he's doing right now because he's waiting until he
gets I'll tell you off the air infewans because it's
hilarious secret. Well, it's hilarious he's doing. He's going to
every county in Kentucky because he's learning, and he's also
doing some research. But he's just doing a little sidebar
project that he's going to do on TikTok. So I
can't ruin his coverty.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Isn't that other guy that's in radio. Let's see what
is his name? It's a simple last name starts with
A Jones, Matt Jones. Who didn't he do one hundred
and twenty county of the I think that when he
did his book, he did his Mitch Please was his book?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah? He did it? And where's your book?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We're working on a family one right now. I'm one
of fourteen kids, so we're we're going to have a
fourteen chapter book. In chapter five, since I'm the fifth
chapter five, it's called Terry. That's how that works. What's
you called again? Terry will be chapter five, and then
you know, chapter one will be lou He's the oldest,
and then chapter two will be Mariene. We're going to
go through. That's some Kentucky history right there, Rich Kentucky history. Yeah,
(03:29):
so you are here for a book purpose this Saturday.
Tell me about the Kentucky Book Festival. Terry.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We've been involved with the Kentucky Book Festival for forty
four years. We have been managing it at Kentucky Humanities.
For the last ten we had it in Frankfort.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
One year.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was always in Frankfort, and then it moved to
the all Tech Arena and then from the all Tech
arenas of the Lexington's Joseph Beth Booksellers, a huge forty
five thousand squat square foot bookstore which which we take
over for a day usually in the fall.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This year it's on Noverman the first.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But we've always had people from all over the state
say when you're you going to bring that book festival
to us, either in Paduca or Pikeville.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Or Owensboro.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Louisville is near and dear to our supporters and sponsors
at Kentucky Humanities. And so this year we decided to
come to Paris Town, which everyone knows about here in Louisville.
And it's going to be a great day this Saturday,
June fourteenth, ten to five, free to all comers.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
We've got a great array of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Lineup of authors, We've got children's activities. It's in some
ways a mirror but different than the big flagship book
festival that we do each fall. So we've got a
lot of things lined up for the folks in Jefferson
County and from far and near. I mean, we're hope
that we get a big crowd from all over. So
(05:01):
it's something new for us and something, as I said,
really exciting for us to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's a great venue, and I've interviewed a ton of
authors over the years. People are connected to this area.
I'll just throw it like Bob Hill. You know, I
know he's gone to go beat them, but yeah, of
course he is. The dude is already he's writing two
books ahead, already does every time I saw him derby week.
So which book are you on now Hill, and he said, well,
(05:26):
the one I'm doing right now is this, and then
the one after that is He's already got chapters written.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Bob Hill is one of those wonderful writers that had
a career for many, many years, and now.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It is out of that limelight.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Doesn't get the byline that he once did, but now
is writing about his life and his stories and the
people that he met, and we're just delighted. He was
at our book festival Life Fall in Lexington, right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
His stories are incredible about you and I are both
media dogs, so we understand this. He got called up
to Chicago. He's going to write for the Chicago trip.
He thinks orcas he's in Iowa at the time. He
goes up to Chicago and I'm just I'm paraphrasing in
his story, but it's in his book. He goes up
there and essentially he's all nervous and he's dressed up
(06:13):
and he goes in the big building there in Chicago
and parks his car and he can't believe it costs
twenty eight dollars a part or whatever it is. But
he goes up there and he's all Finally, he tells
the person at the desk who he is, and they
eventually they send you in to an office and the
editor or a sports guy or whatever is is turned
around the other way, and then he turns around to
Bob Hill and essentially says, what are you doing here?
(06:36):
And Hill was all excited for weeks. He thought that
they were finally seeing his genius and calling him up there.
But he never wanted a taste of that big town.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
His career worked great right here.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And you would think that the people that we used
to read and we used to know, like a Joe Creesen, right,
or some of those columnist Brian Crawford, who are still
around writing and having a good life. You're out of
the limelight. Have you ever talked with Did you talk
with Michael Tackett, the author of Sinat McConnell's book. No,
(07:11):
you will come out and meet him on Saturday. I'll
have to do that there, and he's going to be
in conversation with former Congressman another friend of yours, John Yarmouth,
So they're going to be on our main stage. That's
the other part of being at a book festival is
that not only are the authors there for people to
meet and greet and get an autograph and hopefully by
their book. We have stage presentations throughout the day, starting
(07:34):
early in the morning at about ten fifteen, going all
the way through five o'clock with an array of different genres.
That's a big fancy Oh yeah, that's a good one
and not a good word to use. Fiction, non fiction,
and poetry and discussions with all kinds of people.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So it's just a great day.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If I run into a lot of people though, who've
never been to a book festival, and it's kind of
hard to explain it to somebody. They have to come
out and see it, and that's what we want people
in Louisville to do this coming Saturday.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I love interviews with authors. I love doing them in
that chair you're in. I've had a lot of different
people in there over the years. The late Sue Grafton
was just wonderful to talk with. She just sold millions
and millions of books and was just the most unassuming
person but very disciplined. I was at lucky enough to
be at her house in California one time and saw
(08:22):
the little room where all those books came out of.
A is for Alibi B is. You know, she went
through the whole alphabet, all the way to the end,
and that little bitty You look at that little space
and think the person there and what they've created. That's
going on in places all around the world. These authors,
they've got their little ideas, but they have their structure.
She was nine o'clock in the morning, exactly, there's the coffee,
(08:44):
there's this, and then boom starts writing. I heard her
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
In fact, I spoke with her too, And if you
don't mind me name dropping just a little bit the afternoon,
the afternoon of the evening that I saw her in
conversation with John Grisham.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
John Grisham was in a conversation with her in Lexington
at the Kentucky Theater, and he is his practice is,
he said, I just sit down at the typewriter and
it just flows.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't do any research. I don't do any outlines. Now.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
As you know, Sue used to outline each chapter and
she did the research on it. John said, I just
let it flow and it just comes out. I don't
believe that for a minute, do you No. That's nerve
racketing hard. You're walking a tight rope. And then you
have to have a point Z. You got a point
a jumping off points, but you got to wind it
(09:38):
through all these things to get to the end. Well,
another drop another name, because I interviewed this fella here
in Louisville at one of the Chamber of Commerce events,
Tucker Carlson, and he had written a book about gosh.
This has been maybe fifteen years ago, and it was
a good book. It was really well done, well written,
and it was before Tucker was Tucker m hm. And
(10:00):
I said, when you're going to write your next book,
and he said, I'm not writing the next book. Writing
is hard, and it is. It's really a labor mostly
of love from a lot of people. But rarely do
I run into anybody that I've talked with who sits
right down at the computer now or their iPhone or
whatever it happens to be and the words just flow.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
It just doesn't happen like that. Yeah. I had grossham
On here one day as well, and just I forgot
what it was the premise was, but it was, you know,
when you're talking to people like that, I'm just always wondering.
I would love to see an imaging of their brain
working it just must be firing all up and then
they get an idea and they're at the coffee shop
(10:42):
and he goes, well, hold that thought, and then they
put it on their phone or whatever, because it just
can't extemporaneously roll out classic literature.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I really enjoyed and did. Don't do it as much anymore,
But when I was doing a podcast for Kentucky Humanities
after I left k ET, I did have a lot
of authors on and I do enjoy talking with them
about their their craft, their practice. You know, some of
these names like Ed McClanahan went to his uh, Tom Eblin,
(11:12):
former editor at the Lexington Herald Leader, and I are
supposed to be working on a book on We have
the title where Kentucky Writers Write, and Tom's taking the
photos and I'm doing some of the interviews and narratives,
and it's taking people into their workspace, people like Wendell
Berry and Mary Ann Taylor Hall and Ed God bless
(11:32):
him before he passed away, invited us into his writing room,
which was just stacked full of things that he had
collected over the years when he was at Stamford with
Ken Kesey of course, and some of those names that
you and I know that maybe your listeners exactly. You
know all of that. And they were they were close friends.
(11:53):
That's when Wendell Berry was out there and and Ed
Has he had a he had a desk, was cluttered,
he had a little memory bi Lee here and there.
But that's where he did his work. And that's the
subject of the book is where Kentucky writer's right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
As wild as some people are, they're like Hunter Thompson,
there's still a discipline. There's a structure within the madness
that produces that. That's what fascinates me. And I've talked
a lot of CEOs as you have. There are people
who are used to bossing people around and delegating authority
and then they want to write their book and there's
still that structure is what leads them to point Z.
(12:31):
So let me ask you on in chapter five of
the Family Memoir, that's right right, it's Terry, Terry's name
number five. Yeah. Do you get up at four am
in the morning and write for two hours and didn't
have a cup of coffee and then go play golf
and then come back into your show or do you
write after you get off your show and go home
and write from nine to midnight. I think about it
(12:51):
sometimes and write down a phrase, a bullet point phrase,
and I know what I want to say about it.
It's just you have to have the phrase, the bullet
point phrase, and then I can do it in the
morning or three in the afternoon, doesn't matter. Yeah, So
a mine's just starting, So we're getting to work on that.
So the tables are going to be flipped a bit
that you're going to be an author. Wouldn't it be great, folks,
(13:12):
to have Terry Miners as one of our headliners or
thirteen Kentucky Big Festival, as many of the Miners fourteen
minors siblings as we're each doing it chat, Well, we'll
figure that out. That would take up the whole book
Festival page. Bill Bill Goodman is in the studio with us.
You know him from Kentucky Tonight. He did it for
decades on k E T. But he is with the
(13:35):
University of Kentucky now executive director of Kentucky Humanities, the
organization that's behind the Kentucky Book Festival. They have a
special edition if you will this Saturday at Paristown. What
are the hours on this ten to five? All right?
Sit tight. We're going to talk more about media in
the modern age. Took forward to it. Bill Goodman in
the studio back in if you on news radio, wait
(13:56):
forty whas youre what news radio? Eight forty wh s
Terry miners here Bill Goodman in the studio. He will
blush if I call him the great Bill Goodman. You
know his name from Katie t over the years. But he,
of course now is the executive director of Kentucky Humanities.
(14:16):
Then there they have the Kentucky Book Festival coming up
this weekend. We'll talk more about that in a few minutes.
All right, dude, you've been on TV and radio and
all that for a long long time. You've been in
many markets. You've been a news director too, haven't you, Yes, sir,
reporter anchor, news directory. Is this like Ralph Edwards? Well yeah,
this could be how much money do you have in
(14:37):
your pucket? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
In my life now, I have been Terry. It's been
it's been an honor. It's been a wonderful life. I've
been so blessed. I'm seriously, I'm very grateful for the
opportunities that came my way, and I appreciate, I appreciate
you talking about it today.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, just the whole timeline for both of us is
about the same window. In the media, It's changed so
drastically and so nowadays. What are we to believe? There's
so many things. I mean, the President of the United
States has lawsuits pending lawsuits against various networks and one
of them did pay him money over editing, or maybe
(15:20):
that's CBS ABC paid him money. I forgot what that
was about. Where are we now? What do we do?
How do we build trust again so that people hear
us and what they refer to as the mainstream media.
What do we need to do to win back trust? Terry?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think, like many things in our wonderful world, we
may not ever be able to attain that again for many,
many decades. I think it's going to be so different,
and I think that has a whole lot to do
with the distribution of our news and the way we
receive it. I'm talking about social media right. Teach at
(16:01):
Transylvania University a couple of years ago, maybe three years
ago now, and I remember, like yesterday asking my kids
in my writing and journalism class where they got their news,
and one person answered that they used Facebook, and Rush Limbaugh,
(16:25):
and I said, in all due respect to your opinion, Sir,
Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist and is not really
touted as being a newsperson. He says that himself when
Rush was alive, and he said why, and we had
that discussion. But I think that's where the younger generation
(16:47):
is today. And I'm not sure that you and I
go back long enough when Walter Cronkite was the most
trusted man in America, I don't I'm not sure we'll
ever get that back. I think journalism is in a
very precarious place in the history of broadcasting of journalism,
(17:08):
and it would take somebody much smarter than myself to
try to figure out what the next steps are. I
have a great sympathy for the people who are who
are on the air today or are doing the work.
Look what happened recently at CBS at sixty minutes, notable
sixty minutes when the head producer who'd been there since
(17:29):
the very beginning walked out because of this other did
you happen to see or hear Leslie Stall most recently
talking about it. Now, she's been there since the very beginning.
She's concerned. She hasn't quit yet, but it won't take
much to move her out. Now, Younger people gen Z's
(17:52):
and younger might say, who are you talking about? Leslie Who? Right,
They don't watch sixty minutes anymore, they don't watch commercial
television anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Objectivity dead because Dan Rather goes on Twitter. He still
goes on and he rails like a crazy person. And
Keith Olberman, who I get it, he was a sports guy.
But people who are out there just railing and cursing
all the time, just it's all so so out. There's
(18:20):
so much rage fueling all of this that it makes
you think, what in the heck, what kind of product
were you serving me, Dan Rather, when you were the
CBS News. An another journalist who you know well, you
know his work, Al Cross, who wrote for the and
still does for the Curry Journals for many many years.
We team taught a journalism class at the University of
(18:42):
Kentucky several years ago, and it would be interesting for
you to have Al on someday and ask him about
the question about objectivity. He doesn't think we should use
that word every one time. That's right. Decades ago, there
might have.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Been an attempt at one of us covering a story
not to take a side or be partisan one way
or the other. I always did my very very best
to walk right down the middle at all times. Al
says today, in today's media landscape, it's impossible to have
that somebody's going to have a bias, and that bias
(19:18):
is going to spill over into what they're reporting.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right, because we see people that are just crazy about
their Democrat and their heroes, and the other side is
crazy about their Republican heroes, and you're just not going
to talk them down off the ledge and all. They
don't want to hear anything from anybody else. I don't
want to hear your opinion. I'm just going to scream. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, I think that there might be a supreme effort
at some point, let's say during the next presidential election,
that may be things even out a little bit. And
but I just don't know if we'll ever get back
to the journalism that I practiced and that you are
so familiar with that we grew up on. I mean,
(19:58):
how many young people and I don't mean this to
I do sound like a curmudgeonty old you know what,
But how many people are reading the newspaper these days
even online? Are they really keeping up? My kids, who
produce for me wonderful smart grandchildren, They're not reading the
(20:19):
paper every day. They're keeping up, But I think they're
keeping up on social media like half the world.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I've got a twenty year old daughter. She knows if
it happens on TikTok, she knows about it. There you go,
and it's fascinating to me. How much do you ever?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just was with my children and grandchildren and we
had a good discussion about outlets that they use for
their information just information. How successful were you or are
you in talking with your daughter about TikTok is not
a news organization.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
She knows that, but is not interested in world events.
She's more interested in the things that they're talking about,
the little trends or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So the question or the limit that I have that
I can't answer, is that if a twenty year old
is practicing that kind of knowledge based information gathering at twenty,
where are they going to be at thirty?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And what happens when they want to be informed about
a vote that they have the facts in front of
them and they choose between candidaday or candidate b I
think it's a very troublesome time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump have called each other liars
in the last forty eight hours. Trump says, I told
him such and such on the phone. Gavin Newsom said
he's a liar. He's lying about this, and Trump says back, no,
he's lying about this. So you know, people choose their
sides and then they're just going to stay there and
say they're going to believe their guy and believe that
the other guy's a liar. I don't know how we
get out of that mud hole.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We stop relying on social media to give us those
kinds of juvenile, childish debates between grown ups.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But those are grown men and elective offices that are
saying those things. You see Gavin Newsom saying he's a liar.
Stone cold liar's the phrase he used today.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think that that now again, this is another generation
speaking name calling. When is the last time, except in
the present day, that politicians called each other names on
the floor of the House and Senate in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
In the seventeen hundreds, the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And historians like John Meacham will tell you that it's
happened before.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And we'll get through this.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, that's true, but you know, we're living through it,
and it's kind of hard to believe that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Hey, let me give you an update. I told you
earlier that Rand Paul was complaining about not being invited
to the White House picnic. He has indeed been invited
by President Trump. He said, of course, Ran Paul and
his beautiful wife and family are there. I'm going to
try to talk him into voting for my big, beautiful bill.
Rand Paul then tweets. Turns out my grandson and I
are actually invited to the congressional picnic. He's ready, and
(23:00):
it's a picture of Rand Paul holding his grandson wearing
a Make America Great Again hat. More power to Sator
Paul piece is at hand. Maybe that will that will
lead us to a more are you kidding me? A
more calm and measurable discussion in Washington about the budget buildings.
(23:25):
I hope we can think, I hope we can talk
down the road to about the twenty twenty six midterms
and then the twenty twenty eight Where do how does
America evolve from the Trump here? As George Clooney pointed out,
recently in an interview, he thinks Trump's a celebrity and
that the MAGA movement ends in twenty twenty eight. Oh,
I don't know that. I believe that. So we'll see.
(23:45):
We can discuss, all right. So Saturday, your book festival
is at Paris Town and he had a lot of
authors there and people are invited and it's free.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The Louisville edition, it's absolutely free, Rainer Shine. We've got
forty authors, we've got children's activities, we started ten. Would
you believe that the great City of Louisville is going
to present a proclamation to us?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Getting that cool?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And also honoring Kathleen Driscoll, the new poet Laureate for Kentucky.
She's another guest that I would suggest you have on
you talk about you and Kathleen could do poetry on
the air live.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Is the word Nantucket involved in this, because I don't.
It's not limericks, it's poetry.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Terry. She's going to be in conversation with Kristah wilkins In,
the former port laureate and novelist and non fiction writer
of a Wonderful cookbook last year that we featured at
the Kentucky Book Festival in Lexington. I mentioned earlier Michael Tackett,
the author of the authorized biography of Senator Mitch McConnell,
(24:50):
be in conversation with Congressman John Yarmouth. We have a
wonderful book that we pulled out of the stacks from
the nineties that another Louivillion, Linda LaPenta, edited of recipes
that your grandmother wrote about. These are essays that people
wrote about remembering their grandmother in the kitchen and what
(25:11):
she made those good ham and biscuits and corn bread.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And that gravy. That was some concoction nobody knows. Nobody knows,
but it was delicious, wasn't it. It was grief based.
That's what up on that.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So that's a discussion with members that wrote in that
book in nineteen ninety two. They're going to be on
stage with her in conversation. The James Baker Hall Foundation,
you know James Beker Hall, famous University of Kentucky English
professor and poet himself. They are going to present their
(25:43):
first James Baker Hall Writing Award to a wonderful writer
who grew up in Kentucky is now in Tennessee working
for a state Park. His name is Wesley Hoop and
he is fascinating in what he's written about his Kentucky
in the Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's gonna be my next rapper. Name Wesley Hoop. I
like good rhymes with yeah, yeah, that's it. That that too.
You got Bill Goodman. It's great to see you. Great
to finally meet you and get on the air with you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, I've listened to you as I said, for Yeah,
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I've been on this show forty years. Forty years. I'm
going thirty more and so are you.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Probably listen for forty Thank you very much. We want
everybody to come out Saturday to the Kentucky Book Festival
Louisville Edition at Paristown on June fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You and I shall talk down the road. Thank thanks you, sir.
Bill Goodman back in minute on news Radio eight forty
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.