June 11, 2025 • 12 mins
Lexington Herald Leader sportswriter and columnist John Clay is set to retire at the end of this month. He discussed career highlights and challenges he's encountered over the past 4 decades of serving Big Blue Nation.
Is Stoops cooked? Will Pope's players get all of the NIL money?
We also discussed the challenges for other universities dividing $20.5 million for all of their sports teams. How much will football demand? Will basketball have enough to build a Top 5 roster? What about baseball? Will women's sports survive with this new payment cap?
Is Stoops cooked? Will Pope's players get all of the NIL money?
We also discussed the challenges for other universities dividing $20.5 million for all of their sports teams. How much will football demand? Will basketball have enough to build a Top 5 roster? What about baseball? Will women's sports survive with this new payment cap?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, good to talk to you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
As always brother, we run across to each other now
and again at various sporting events, and you were just
you're one of the most respected people. You're always calm
and you have a clear, concise writing style that I
think people really appreciate. But you were doing this when
you were a student at UK.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Right, that's correct. Back back, I started at the Colonel
Kentucky Colonel, the UK student newspaper back in the late seventies,
and graduated from UK at eighty one and was lucky
enough to get a job at the Herald Leader really
before I was finished with school, and I've been there
ever since.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, and you never had to sort of leave your
own neighborhood. It's all been in your own where you
grew up right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Right, and writing about the teams that I followed, you know,
growing up obviously Kentucky football and basketball and so forth. Yeah,
I'm from central Kentucky and like say, I've been in
Lexington since with the paper since nineteen eighty one, lived
here pull Thompsons eighty three and so yeah, I feel
very lucky to have a job. All my friends have
kidded me over the years that I don't have a
(01:05):
real job. So I feel very lucky to have the
job I've had and be able to go to games
and write about them. And one thing about Kentucky sports,
and I mean very passionate following UK U of l
all over the states and people, there's always something going on, Terry.
There's always something to write about.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But one of the tough things about your business is
the deadlines. And you know, the weekends are spoken for,
you're you're out late, and then you have to write.
You got to get something in before they go to press.
All that business, so that pressure is tough. And you
then obviously if UK is on the road stay in
the NCAA tournament and they're out West or whatever, it's
like it makes it that much harder. So do you like,
(01:43):
did you thrive on this pressure?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean yes, I mean you
get to be you get to use to the deadline pressure.
I mean there's an old old saying, you know, don't
give me a you know, don't give me a time,
don't give me time to write something, give me a
deadline with stuff that off until you've got to write it.
Because you're so used to being on deadline and the travel.
I mean, the travel is fine, I will have to say, Terry.
(02:08):
The older you get, you don't recover quite as quickly
from the travel used to be. You know, especially I
have a family at kids are grown now, But when
they were younger, I'd try to get back the next
day as quick as I could. I I had an
overnight stay, and I'd bounce back from that pretty quickly.
The older you get, it might take a day or
two before you start feeling you get rid of that
lag and you start feeling like yourself again. No, I
(02:30):
will say that, indeed, But I've got no complaints. I
mean I've I've been able to go to games and
travel to places all around the country and especially all
around the South and the SEC, and so i can't
complain about any of that.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so much attention paid to Kentucky sports, not only
in the Commonwealth but around America. Obviously, the basketball franchise
is what it is, you know, it's just a juggernaut
and it has been for our whole lifetime. But football,
of course, you and when you and I were going
to UK, it was like, well, you know, I mean
the Peach Bowl came around in the seventies, but it
was like it took a long time to get moving
(03:07):
and then Stoops has had a nice long run and
now this all this like transition with Vince this week
and the look ahead at this fall schedule. I mean,
that's a scary thing. So are you going to miss
being involved in the drama that's coming with this upcoming
UK football season?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes? And no, I mean I will be. I'll still
watch the games. I'll be very interested in what's happening,
you know, I'll be reading and listening and watching all
of that. But Terry, you know, as long as I
as long as we've both been around, some of this
we've all kind of seen before. We've seen, you know,
in fighting or whatever among coaching staffs or coaches lead
(03:46):
to go to other staffs and stuff like that. So
we've seen it all before. I can remember back in
the days with your brother Mike in Kentucky's fighting to
try to get respectability, going back to the Jerry Clayburne days,
and then Bill Curry after that. I remember when Al
Mummy came in as coach and Chris Hatcher was one
of the assistant coaches. He was a young guy who
had come up from Valdosta State. Chris said, how long
(04:07):
have you been covering football? And I told him. He said, well,
you've seen a lot of losing football, haven't you. So
that's been you know, basketball gets all the gets a
lot of no variety, and people say it's a basketball
basketball state. But I enjoyed covering football because because it
was you had a lot of great stories in football.
I'm a big football fan. And also just that struggle
(04:29):
in that, you know, striving to be a better program,
more of an upper level program. That was fun to
That was fun to cover as well.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Right, And then like the series with Florida. I mean
I was at the game when it was a Tennessee
game where they give the ball to Mark Higgs four
times in a row and they lose again to continue
that streak. And that Florida streak went on for three decades.
But that's kind of a thing of the past now,
where Kentucky seems to have an upper hand or at
least a lateral hand in that in that series. But
(04:59):
who knows where all all this goes moving forward now?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Deep right, and you know, and obviously you know it's
hard to get to to raise the level of the
program is one thing. To raise it even higher to
an upper echelon program, that's a whole different deal. And
I think that's kind of what's happened with Kentucky football
here you know, here lately. And they took it obviously,
took a step back last year, drop it to pourn A.
So obviously, like you said, it's a big season for
(05:24):
Mark Stoops and Vince Merrow going over to Louisville. With
all the success that Jeff Brohm has has had, that's
a big get for Jeff uh And we'll see how
that plays out this year.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
What could what kind of wrestling match do you think
is going on not only at Kentucky, but it schools
all across America about the amount of money that is legal,
you know, that's that's starting in July, and and how
we're going to divvy it up. And then basketball wants
their piece, and obviously they're they're a driving force, but
football wants their share. SODA's baseball, so does everybody else.
(05:55):
But it's going to be it's going to create a
lot of tension among staffs on one university campus.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, absolutely, well, yeah, I mean it's gonna be a
headache for all athletic directors and all sports administrators. How
do you divide that money up? How is how do
you uh with your you know, how you divide the
money and resources? How that all plays out? And Kentucky's
an interesting situation and an interesting position. Obviously, been in
the SEC the fast majority of SEC schools, you know,
(06:27):
football comes first. Uh at Kentucky is known more for basketball.
That's why Mitch Barnhard gets the big bucks. So I'll
have to figure that out. But so yeah, it's a
whole different area now obviously with the with ni L,
with the transfer portal, and now with the house settlement
and revenue sharing, it's gonna I think it's gonna take
(06:47):
a little while before it all kinds of shakes out
and people figure out what is the best strategy to
go by. But I'm in favor. I was in favor
of it the NIL. I'm in favor of the players
getting a cut. There's just so much money being made
by the university's off TV contracts and so forth, it
didn't make sense for the players not to get some
sort of cut other than the scholarship. I wish there'd
(07:09):
be more transparency than there is now. We don't really
know who's getting what amount of money and that sort
of thing. And also there does need to be some guidelines.
They don't need to be too strict, but their students.
There does need to be some sort of sense of
order and some guidelines and guardrails about what's happening. How
they put that in place. People a lot smarter than
I am are going to have to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But think of these campuses in the state of Alabama.
At Alabama, you know the football team, we all know
what that means to them. So what's NATO's going to
do over at Auburn, what's Bruce Pearl going to do?
I mean, they're gonna the football wants all the money.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right right, And obviously you know Bruce Pearl at Auburn NATO.
So Alabama, they've built really good programs, had been to
the Final Four the last couple of years. Alabama went
last year, Auburn went this past season, the second time
Bruce Pearl has taken them there. Florida won the National
championship for the third time in its history, the first
time under Todd Golden. I mean, the SEC had a
(08:08):
great showing in basketball this year, and I think in
talking to people that one of the things that the
SEC schools have realized around around the league that hey,
we can make money on basketball. There is interest in basketball,
but you're right, it's still football is still the kingpin.
Football drives the bus. Most of the money that comes
in from the TV contracts is football money. So it
(08:28):
makes sense that they're going to get the line's share
of these resources. But you've got to make room. As
you mentioned, baseball is big in the SEC, and obviously
they did not have a very good showing this year.
Thirteen teams in the NCAA terminal, only two of them
made it to the College World Series. But baseball draws
big crowds, especially in the Deep South. How are you
(08:49):
going to use those resources on baseball as well? You know,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And the personalities you've dealt with over your long career,
I mean, Cali Perry's leaving his departure without taking money
I found as one of the most stunning stories in
the last so many years. And that today they announced
the matchups for the acc SEC Basketball Challenge for this year,
and looky there, Louisville's traveling to Arkansas. This is just
gonna be wild. I mean where we're North Carolina is
(09:17):
coming over to Reparena to play Mark Pope and his team.
But this Pat Kelcey and coach Cal thing, this will
be interesting too.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think it's great. I think it is great for Louisville.
I think Pat Kelcey is doing it obviously did a
great job last year. Louisville has a bright future under
Pat Kelcey. I think the state is better. It's much
more interesting when Kentucky and Louisville are both good. Same
thing in football, Like I mentioned, with the job that
Jeff Barrahm has done there, I mean I go back
to when I started the ear Leader, I covered a
lot of Louisville and Denny Crumb and those were some
(09:49):
great teams and some enjoyable times covering. My first national
championship I covered was Louisville back in nineteen eighty six.
So yeah, that'll be interesting with Louisville and Arkansas, Kentucky
and North Carolina. But you know, I think college basketball
itself is much better when Louisville is good. And I
think basketball and Kentucky fans still want to hear this,
(10:09):
but I think the football basketball in the state is
much better. When Louisville has really good team.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
There's no doubt about it. And Western's good too, I
mean all that stuff. Hell, oh, absolutely, last thing for you.
What happens to women's sports now with this new set
up with money and so forth. I mean, volleyball is
huge though obviously the women's basketball Kentucky is huge, and
Louisville and Western as well. So what happens now with
dividing up this money. Is it tougher for women's sports
(10:35):
than it's ever been?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I think it. I don't know that it's tougher than
it's ever been. It's going to be tough, there's no
doubt about it. But I think they're in a much
better position than they were a few years ago, just
given by the rising popularity of women's basketball. And obviously,
you know the Connecticut teams, the Louisville teams there that
made the file for but it's just explosion in the
last two or three years with players like Caitlin Clark
and Angel recent players like that, I think have you know,
(11:01):
raised the profile of women's basketball to the point where
athletic directors subceed around the country. If we have a
good program, we have a chance to make money in
women's basketball. We have a chance to build growing support
in women's basketball. Same thing with volleyball. I mean, you're
exactly right, Terry. Look at Kentucky, the success Kentucky won
the national championship a few years ago, the success that
(11:23):
Louisville has had in recent years, and people look at
the crowds that turned out to watch Louisville this year
and have they've drawn good crowds at UK as well.
So that's that is a really growing sport, especially among
female athletes. And that's you know, that's another two where
they're going to have to find ways how can we
make money, How can we continue to raise money and
(11:45):
generate money to support those sports in addition to the
revenue sharing that's going to start.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
John Clay, it's been a heck of a run for you,
and enjoying the rest of the month and and best
of luck at your next passage.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thank you very much, Terry, I appreciate it. Great to
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, hope, see it's some events soon. There you go,
John Clay. He is retiring from the Lexington Herald Leader
at the end of the month. Back in a minute,
Okay, good to talk to you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
As always brother, we run across to each other now
and again at various sporting events, and you were just
you're one of the most respected people. You're always calm
and you have a clear, concise writing style that I
think people really appreciate. But you were doing this when
you were a student at UK.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Right, that's correct. Back back, I started at the Colonel
Kentucky Colonel, the UK student newspaper back in the late seventies,
and graduated from UK at eighty one and was lucky
enough to get a job at the Herald Leader really
before I was finished with school, and I've been there
ever since.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, and you never had to sort of leave your
own neighborhood. It's all been in your own where you
grew up right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Right, and writing about the teams that I followed, you know,
growing up obviously Kentucky football and basketball and so forth. Yeah,
I'm from central Kentucky and like say, I've been in
Lexington since with the paper since nineteen eighty one, lived
here pull Thompsons eighty three and so yeah, I feel
very lucky to have a job. All my friends have
kidded me over the years that I don't have a
(01:05):
real job. So I feel very lucky to have the
job I've had and be able to go to games
and write about them. And one thing about Kentucky sports,
and I mean very passionate following UK U of l
all over the states and people, there's always something going on, Terry.
There's always something to write about.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But one of the tough things about your business is
the deadlines. And you know, the weekends are spoken for,
you're you're out late, and then you have to write.
You got to get something in before they go to press.
All that business, so that pressure is tough. And you
then obviously if UK is on the road stay in
the NCAA tournament and they're out West or whatever, it's
like it makes it that much harder. So do you like,
(01:43):
did you thrive on this pressure?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean yes, I mean you
get to be you get to use to the deadline pressure.
I mean there's an old old saying, you know, don't
give me a you know, don't give me a time,
don't give me time to write something, give me a
deadline with stuff that off until you've got to write it.
Because you're so used to being on deadline and the travel.
I mean, the travel is fine, I will have to say, Terry.
(02:08):
The older you get, you don't recover quite as quickly
from the travel used to be. You know, especially I
have a family at kids are grown now, But when
they were younger, I'd try to get back the next
day as quick as I could. I I had an
overnight stay, and I'd bounce back from that pretty quickly.
The older you get, it might take a day or
two before you start feeling you get rid of that
lag and you start feeling like yourself again. No, I
(02:30):
will say that, indeed, But I've got no complaints. I
mean I've I've been able to go to games and
travel to places all around the country and especially all
around the South and the SEC, and so i can't
complain about any of that.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so much attention paid to Kentucky sports, not only
in the Commonwealth but around America. Obviously, the basketball franchise
is what it is, you know, it's just a juggernaut
and it has been for our whole lifetime. But football,
of course, you and when you and I were going
to UK, it was like, well, you know, I mean
the Peach Bowl came around in the seventies, but it
was like it took a long time to get moving
(03:07):
and then Stoops has had a nice long run and
now this all this like transition with Vince this week
and the look ahead at this fall schedule. I mean,
that's a scary thing. So are you going to miss
being involved in the drama that's coming with this upcoming
UK football season?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes? And no, I mean I will be. I'll still
watch the games. I'll be very interested in what's happening,
you know, I'll be reading and listening and watching all
of that. But Terry, you know, as long as I
as long as we've both been around, some of this
we've all kind of seen before. We've seen, you know,
in fighting or whatever among coaching staffs or coaches lead
(03:46):
to go to other staffs and stuff like that. So
we've seen it all before. I can remember back in
the days with your brother Mike in Kentucky's fighting to
try to get respectability, going back to the Jerry Clayburne days,
and then Bill Curry after that. I remember when Al
Mummy came in as coach and Chris Hatcher was one
of the assistant coaches. He was a young guy who
had come up from Valdosta State. Chris said, how long
(04:07):
have you been covering football? And I told him. He said, well,
you've seen a lot of losing football, haven't you. So
that's been you know, basketball gets all the gets a
lot of no variety, and people say it's a basketball
basketball state. But I enjoyed covering football because because it
was you had a lot of great stories in football.
I'm a big football fan. And also just that struggle
(04:29):
in that, you know, striving to be a better program,
more of an upper level program. That was fun to
That was fun to cover as well.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Right, And then like the series with Florida. I mean
I was at the game when it was a Tennessee
game where they give the ball to Mark Higgs four
times in a row and they lose again to continue
that streak. And that Florida streak went on for three decades.
But that's kind of a thing of the past now,
where Kentucky seems to have an upper hand or at
least a lateral hand in that in that series. But
(04:59):
who knows where all all this goes moving forward now?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Deep right, and you know, and obviously you know it's
hard to get to to raise the level of the
program is one thing. To raise it even higher to
an upper echelon program, that's a whole different deal. And
I think that's kind of what's happened with Kentucky football
here you know, here lately. And they took it obviously,
took a step back last year, drop it to pourn A.
So obviously, like you said, it's a big season for
(05:24):
Mark Stoops and Vince Merrow going over to Louisville. With
all the success that Jeff Brohm has has had, that's
a big get for Jeff uh And we'll see how
that plays out this year.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
What could what kind of wrestling match do you think
is going on not only at Kentucky, but it schools
all across America about the amount of money that is legal,
you know, that's that's starting in July, and and how
we're going to divvy it up. And then basketball wants
their piece, and obviously they're they're a driving force, but
football wants their share. SODA's baseball, so does everybody else.
(05:55):
But it's going to be it's going to create a
lot of tension among staffs on one university campus.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, absolutely, well, yeah, I mean it's gonna be a
headache for all athletic directors and all sports administrators. How
do you divide that money up? How is how do
you uh with your you know, how you divide the
money and resources? How that all plays out? And Kentucky's
an interesting situation and an interesting position. Obviously, been in
the SEC the fast majority of SEC schools, you know,
(06:27):
football comes first. Uh at Kentucky is known more for basketball.
That's why Mitch Barnhard gets the big bucks. So I'll
have to figure that out. But so yeah, it's a
whole different area now obviously with the with ni L,
with the transfer portal, and now with the house settlement
and revenue sharing, it's gonna I think it's gonna take
(06:47):
a little while before it all kinds of shakes out
and people figure out what is the best strategy to
go by. But I'm in favor. I was in favor
of it the NIL. I'm in favor of the players
getting a cut. There's just so much money being made
by the university's off TV contracts and so forth, it
didn't make sense for the players not to get some
sort of cut other than the scholarship. I wish there'd
(07:09):
be more transparency than there is now. We don't really
know who's getting what amount of money and that sort
of thing. And also there does need to be some guidelines.
They don't need to be too strict, but their students.
There does need to be some sort of sense of
order and some guidelines and guardrails about what's happening. How
they put that in place. People a lot smarter than
I am are going to have to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But think of these campuses in the state of Alabama.
At Alabama, you know the football team, we all know
what that means to them. So what's NATO's going to
do over at Auburn, what's Bruce Pearl going to do?
I mean, they're gonna the football wants all the money.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right right, And obviously you know Bruce Pearl at Auburn NATO.
So Alabama, they've built really good programs, had been to
the Final Four the last couple of years. Alabama went
last year, Auburn went this past season, the second time
Bruce Pearl has taken them there. Florida won the National
championship for the third time in its history, the first
time under Todd Golden. I mean, the SEC had a
(08:08):
great showing in basketball this year, and I think in
talking to people that one of the things that the
SEC schools have realized around around the league that hey,
we can make money on basketball. There is interest in basketball,
but you're right, it's still football is still the kingpin.
Football drives the bus. Most of the money that comes
in from the TV contracts is football money. So it
(08:28):
makes sense that they're going to get the line's share
of these resources. But you've got to make room. As
you mentioned, baseball is big in the SEC, and obviously
they did not have a very good showing this year.
Thirteen teams in the NCAA terminal, only two of them
made it to the College World Series. But baseball draws
big crowds, especially in the Deep South. How are you
(08:49):
going to use those resources on baseball as well? You know,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And the personalities you've dealt with over your long career,
I mean, Cali Perry's leaving his departure without taking money
I found as one of the most stunning stories in
the last so many years. And that today they announced
the matchups for the acc SEC Basketball Challenge for this year,
and looky there, Louisville's traveling to Arkansas. This is just
gonna be wild. I mean where we're North Carolina is
(09:17):
coming over to Reparena to play Mark Pope and his team.
But this Pat Kelcey and coach Cal thing, this will
be interesting too.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think it's great. I think it is great for Louisville.
I think Pat Kelcey is doing it obviously did a
great job last year. Louisville has a bright future under
Pat Kelcey. I think the state is better. It's much
more interesting when Kentucky and Louisville are both good. Same
thing in football, Like I mentioned, with the job that
Jeff Barrahm has done there, I mean I go back
to when I started the ear Leader, I covered a
lot of Louisville and Denny Crumb and those were some
(09:49):
great teams and some enjoyable times covering. My first national
championship I covered was Louisville back in nineteen eighty six.
So yeah, that'll be interesting with Louisville and Arkansas, Kentucky
and North Carolina. But you know, I think college basketball
itself is much better when Louisville is good. And I
think basketball and Kentucky fans still want to hear this,
(10:09):
but I think the football basketball in the state is
much better. When Louisville has really good team.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
There's no doubt about it. And Western's good too, I
mean all that stuff. Hell, oh, absolutely, last thing for you.
What happens to women's sports now with this new set
up with money and so forth. I mean, volleyball is
huge though obviously the women's basketball Kentucky is huge, and
Louisville and Western as well. So what happens now with
dividing up this money. Is it tougher for women's sports
(10:35):
than it's ever been?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I think it. I don't know that it's tougher than
it's ever been. It's going to be tough, there's no
doubt about it. But I think they're in a much
better position than they were a few years ago, just
given by the rising popularity of women's basketball. And obviously,
you know the Connecticut teams, the Louisville teams there that
made the file for but it's just explosion in the
last two or three years with players like Caitlin Clark
and Angel recent players like that, I think have you know,
(11:01):
raised the profile of women's basketball to the point where
athletic directors subceed around the country. If we have a
good program, we have a chance to make money in
women's basketball. We have a chance to build growing support
in women's basketball. Same thing with volleyball. I mean, you're
exactly right, Terry. Look at Kentucky, the success Kentucky won
the national championship a few years ago, the success that
(11:23):
Louisville has had in recent years, and people look at
the crowds that turned out to watch Louisville this year
and have they've drawn good crowds at UK as well.
So that's that is a really growing sport, especially among
female athletes. And that's you know, that's another two where
they're going to have to find ways how can we
make money, How can we continue to raise money and
(11:45):
generate money to support those sports in addition to the
revenue sharing that's going to start.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
John Clay, it's been a heck of a run for you,
and enjoying the rest of the month and and best
of luck at your next passage.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thank you very much, Terry, I appreciate it. Great to
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, hope, see it's some events soon. There you go,
John Clay. He is retiring from the Lexington Herald Leader
at the end of the month. Back in a minute,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.