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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hang on now on, Yeah, gotta get to that Eddie
LeVert part. People say I sound just like Eddie Lavert.
I'm really yeah, that's too late.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get to a news radio eight forty whas and
Tony and Dwight Chill brought you by the Kentucky Office
Hour Safety.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
He is your Kentucky State Treasurer and he could be
your new best friend because last time we had him
on Seeman Johnny from the newsroom found fourteen hundred dollars.
He didn't know that he had. I found about eight hundred.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I have my phone out because I'm going to this
website as soon as he gives it too.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So you're gonna want to play along. If you're listening
at work, you're going to play along, wisdards. Right now
as I bring in your new best friend and your
Kentucky State Treasurer, Mark H. Metcalf Hey, Treasurer of metcalf
How are you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, Dwight. I'm well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, of course, I was hoping that we would get
you in studio. I've been dying to meet you over
the past couple of years. But we will do that
another time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, his lawyer advised not to be in the same
studio as you say that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, Treasure of Metcalf. First of all, let's talk
unclaimed properties or unclaimed cash, because uh it's a gold mine.
But first, do you have any idea how much unclaim
money that the state is sitting on right now that
needs to be distributed to the rightful owners? Do you
do have a number offhand by a chance?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, dollars nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's a billion dollars, a billion dollars, a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So there's a billion dollars just sitting at the Kentucky
State Treasury. And to find out who the rightful owner.
And I did this and last time I got eight
hundred bucks out of the deal. Johnny got in the
newsroom fourteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I checked it years ago and I found four hundred.
I'm about to see if it's still there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, So, Treasure of Metcalf, what is the process?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Walk us through? How can we find out how to
reclaim our money or if we have any money for
that matter.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The first thing you do is type into your computer
Treasure Treasury dot k Y dot gov. One more time,
Treasury dot Ky dot Gov. Okay, you will good dingo to.
You'll be taken to rather a website. On the website,
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you'll see a series of selections across the top of
the page. If future, if you're at your computer might
be located on a different arrangement on your phone, but
you'll see an icon that says unclaimed property. Hit the icon. Okay,
it will take you to another page where you will
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find a search box.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let me pause. I'm sorry, mister treasurer. Let me pause
you one second because I went to unclaim property boom
to drop down menu unclaimed property property search? Is that
where I go?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, okay, all right, got first name?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm already in, baby, I'm already in. I'm doing this
like I'm an expert.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
All right, so go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You're the boss.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I'm clicking. I am not a robot.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, okay, I'm doing the same thing, John Otter.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Are you on this, yes, sir?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Last time you guys robots.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The Kentucky State Treasurer. Treasurer Metcalf joins the show. We're
talking unclaimed property, Kentucky sitting on close to a billion
dollars of cash that could be yours, some of it
could be yours. And okay, I've got mine pulled up.
I'm owed. Uh yeah, I got a couple in here,
so you got to i'm o ten dollars? No, no, no,
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are you just looking at the line because it says okay, okay,
Well so so people go on here. Last time we
did this.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That I don't know how to spell jacqueline. I'm looking
up my wife too. Yeah, you can look up everybody
in your family. Really, it's not just a per family,
it's per person. It's an interesting part of your job.
Is it not that you have this nine hundred and
two million dollars in unclaimed property and every state has
that mostly right or is that just us?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yes? They do. Different states, of course, will have this
trust fund managed by a different office. But in Kentucky
we've assigned this duty to the treasurer. As you guys
have already found out, this is a very user friendly website.
You typed your name into the search box, and you
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came to your own names, and as as you mentioned,
you topped your wife's name in, typed your children's name
in your parents' name. You will be taken to pages
that will show the same people. I say this maybe
people with the same name, and then you want to
identify addresses that you have lived in in the past.
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Last year at State Fair, two thirds of the people
that came to us came to our tos for booth
got money. Sometimes it was only ten dollars, but sometimes
it was considerably more. This year we sent three hundred
thousand dollars to a man who could not pay his
electricity bills. Oh several thousand dollars back to a school
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board so they could put it added to their payroll.
These were taxes that were paid to them that we
had in the trust fund. We got the money back
to them. And in Central Kentucky, we had a nice
lady who had fourteen thousand dollars coming to her in
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child support and we got that money back.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
She thought she was being scammed at first. Assured her
this was not a scam. We gave for all the
details and as for them to call us at the
Treasury or write to us at the Treasury. We eventually
got that money back to her. We have opened up
now the Unclaimed Property Trust Fund to child support claimants.
So if there's a man or a woman inside the
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Unclaimed Property Trust Fund that has money coming to them,
but they haven't paid their child support. All we need
is the county attorney or the Commonwealth's attorney to confirm
to us if there is a judgment for child support
and that that child support obligation is delinquent. We will
withhold the child support and send that to the recipient.
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Same thing with crime victims. We look to see if
a person who has been convicted of a crime and
owes restitution to a victim has money coming to them
from the Unclaimed Property Trust Fund. We will withhold that
money and send it to the Commonwealth's Attorney or the
county attorney so the money can then go to the victim.
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And we've also asked the Kentucky Revenue Department to search
the database and see if a person inside the Unclaimed
Property Trust Fund has money coming to them from the
trust and if they have delinquent taxes, we will withhold
the delinquent taxes. That the nature of this business that
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we're engaged in is to raise revenues for individuals or
for government, raise revenues without raising taxes. These moneys already
belong to the people whose names are found in the
trust fund. And this year, last year, we've paid back
a record amount to Kentucky. It's thirty five point five
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million dollars already over over fifty million dollars in total
money returned. After eighteen months on the job. We believe
we will finish the year the calendar year close to
seventy million dollars, which means that we're getting the job
done to the needs of Kentuckys and your interest by
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managing this fund with an eye towards public approval and
taking care of public money. So it's it is a
one obligation, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I got two questions.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
One is it against the law for you for the
state of Kentucky to make money off this nine hundred
and two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Last year we returned forty five million dollars to the
general fund. That's what we did.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So where did that come from? Interest?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Was that interest? Billion?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That is great?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That was my first question. Second is should I should I?
Should I search my wife's maiden name?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Would that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Will you do that on the internet? You might be well.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Dwight took Susans Susan's name, so you could use Dwight.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You could use your wife collar.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
You could use that, but I'll tell to search on
all these names. Uh in aliases, But I find that refreshing.
I thought you were gonna say, no, we can't, we can't,
we can't do that. Uh And I'm glad that you
returned forty five million dollars because I would hate for
this money to just sit there and not benefit the
Kentucky citizens.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We're talking to our Kentucky state Treasurer. His name is
Mark H. Metcalf. Treasurer Metcalf says there is almost a
billion dollars nine hundred some odd million dollars out there
unclaimed for Kentucky. Uh So off of a billion dollars,
we're making forty five million dollars off interest on this.
I got to make a suggestion and just take it
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or leave it, Treasurer in Metcalf, why not take the
close to one billion dollars, take it to the casino,
put it on red one time, and double it for
the state of Kentucky. Why do most.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
People I don't think Mark was to end up here.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, he doesn't listen. I want to talk to you
about this, Treasurer. Are most of these I mean because
a couple mine were insurance claims and that some of
them were actually I have no idea why from my
company that I work for. You know, they have no
trouble finding me whenever they want me to sit through
some kind of a video conference. But they've owed me money.
(10:14):
Where Where does most of the money that's owed to
Kentuckians come from? Or is there one major offender?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
The largest sources of funds would be stale bank accounts,
would be overpaid premiums. It would be unclaimed death benefits,
or one of the more frequent examples we give would
be the contents of a safe deposit box or the
deposit that was left behind when your son or daughter
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forgot to claim that deposit when they graduated from from college.
Those are the most common examples we used. But let
me give you the uncommon exampts.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, yeah, and these.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Are the These are the priceless properties. You can't ever
reproduce them. Military awards and decorations. We have bronze stars.
We have photographs taken from safe deposit boxes of the recipients.
So some good Kentucky family used to have that picture
their loved one along with the decoration or award posted
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next to the fireplace or in the family room, so
that people can remember this person who gave a lot
to our nation and to our state and who's no
longer with us. So this is these are the kinds
of priceless treasures we have. We also, I think I
should tell you this. The kinds of things that we
are holding that are priceless and are unique are the
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very things I've just mentioned. But let's say baseball card collections.
Those are the kinds of things that can't be reproduced.
They belong to someone who spent a lot of time
putting those together, and we want to get that property
back to the right owner. I also want to point
out that forty five million dollars that we sent to
to the general fund last year. That was after paying
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all the expenses of the unclaimed property division in the treasurers.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wow, it's the most efficient.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Wow, it's the most efficient division in Frankfurt. Congratulations, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
We're talking to the Kentucky State Treasurer, Mark H. Metcalf,
and this works. Let me ask you this though, because
it seems like it's it's not a simples task. I
think it will be quite difficult to find out where
the money goes. I bet that could be quite a
bit of a headache to cut through all the red
tape and find out the right owner or is it
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, we have we we have contractors that trace names
for us. They try to find a match between the
property we're holding and a person or persons who fit
the description by name and by address who maybe do
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that property. Give you another example, if you're obviously asking
how we get this property back to them, we go
about it very methodically. So if property is going back
to in his state, Let's say, for instance, and we've
got that problem right now where we have a very
large block of stock that is due to a person
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living in Kentucky and in this case, her spouse, her
husband passed away. We're trying to get that entire block
of stock back to this nice person. So how do
we do that. We ask for the name of the executor,
and we correspond with the executor or the attorney for
the state, and we confirm that they are who they
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represent themselves to be. We confirm that through court records
and through unique identifiers, that we are personal to the
person that would be the executor or the attorney, and
we didn't act on that information to get the property
restored to them.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
He's Kentucky State Treasurer Mark H. Medcalf. Last time we
did this, our sales department opened up all our computers
and half of them found money. I found eight hundred dollars.
Seeman Johnny just found fourteen hundred. Last time, John Alden,
our producer, said he found twenty five thousand dollars. But
do not tell his wife. Oh, he said, don't read
this on the air. Never mind. Listen. It's a daunting
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job that you have, but it's got to be the
most efficient department and government because just off the interest,
after paying for things, you're still left with a forty
five million dollar surplus to the state. Hey, well, don
Treasurer Metcalf, Am I missing anything because I think the
I think getting people money back is probably the most
(14:53):
important selling point. But am I'm missing anything?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
First of all, remember Fellows, Dwight and your helper there.
This belongs to them. It doesn't belong to the state.
We run back to them as quickly as we can,
identify who the owner is and talking about the efficiency
with which it operates. The Treasury employees somewhere between thirty
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five and forty people. All of this is done in
accordance with rules that have been adopted by the General Assembly,
and we live and die by those rules. We can
account for every penny that is coming through the treasury
forty billion dollars this year at probably twenty two billion dollars,
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received another twenty two billion paid out forty four billion dollars. Altogether,
we can account for every penny of it. We're always
looking for ways to run our office more efficiently and
give the taxpayers the value they deserve.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He's your Kentucky State Treasurer Mark as Treasurer Metcalf. Can
you give the address one more time for the list.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Treasury dot ky dot gov. That will take you to
our website. You will see a variety of icons. Hit
the uncleaned property icon. It will take you. If you
said it yourself property search. It will take you to
a page with a search box. Type your name, your
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wife's name, your husband's name, your children's names into the
search box. See what you get.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Listen, treasure Metcalf, I reached out. You were generous enough
to come on and share the information again. For that,
I say thank you and keep doing what you do. Man,
and thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, thanks Dwight, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Man, there you go, Martin Messy, all right, most efficient
I think area of frankfort Ever.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know what I just realized.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We pay back to the state and we pay for
all our bills.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Hey, listen to this. If you and I could just
come up with a billion dollars, we can make forty
five million in interest every year.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Thank you.
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Back after this on news Radio eight forty wha s
why no, wow?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Jagged Little Pill? Can you believe it's been thirty years?
I want to bring in Selena for Gazi. Selena, how
you doing.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Please tell me how and crucify your last name, mister
for Gazi. How about that? Right? Okay?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I only got one thing right today, like a clock.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah that's twice. Selena. I want to talk about your
new book, and first of all, thank you for coming
on because I found this was interesting. The name of
your book is thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill. It
was that record in nineteen it was it was so huge,
well it was.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It was.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It was a watershed moment in music. I was a
rock station at the time, and we went from we
all know the watershed moments when it had with Pearl
Jam and all that, and we flipped from that silly
little hairband stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I know you still enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Some of us have not. Some of us are heavy
metal on, some of us are metal heads. But Selena,
I do love and I appreciate Jagged a Little Pill.
It's a great record. Let's start with the burning question
and see if you know this, Uh, the song we
all don't know officially, who was that about? Is the
guy from a the TV show was.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
A little to answer.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, Well, in Alanti's own words, she said, he's the
one who's been most vocal about it. But to this
day she is not kissed and told exactly who that
song is.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Ah a.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Deathbed confession.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It'll be a deathbed confession forty years from now. Why
did you choose I? Look, it was it was an
important album and it's still played today. Why did you
choose this? What got you going about writing a book
about this?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, this album just really changed my life as a
young person. I was thirteen when it came out, and
this album has lived with me for the past thirty
years too, and it changes its meaning every time I
listen to it at a different light stage. And I
am very passionate about writing about women in music, So
I am honored to have Alanis be the first woman
I write about in a book format.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I want to talk about Jacked Little Pill, Alanis Morris said,
it's been thirty years and it dealt with sexuality, waken him, sexuality, sexism,
all kinds of anxiety, depression, angst eating disorder. This whole
album was just everything. I interviewed Tom Morello. I had
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him in studio from Rage against the Machine, and I
asked him point blank, I said, so much great music
from Rage against the Machine, Tom Morello, why did you
all quit making albums? And he told me this is
what he told me. He said, well, there wasn't anything
to be angry about anymore because we got rich. She's
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only twenty one years old and she puts this album.
I think that's incredible.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Absolutely, And she was writing these songs when she was
nineteen twenty, right, and that the fact that she had
that conviction, it's just incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, well, let's just probably put it into perspective. So
women in rock and roll in the nineteen eighties were
relegated to they were dancing on a car in a
hot legs a song or some sort of poison had
them dancing, or Motley Crue, and then all of a sudden,
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you know, the nineteen nineties pop up, and there was
some meaningful lyrics to music, and then she comes out
and just changes changes the landscape pretty quickly. She was
I'm trying to remember how she was for interviews and
all that. Was she kind of private at that time
or was she sending that message out that the album did?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
No, she was very open and she talked about some
of the stuff that kind of, you know, became what
this album was. And she's she's been an open book,
really And I talked to her a very early publicist
in this era. His name is Mitch Schneider, and he
worked with her on Jagged Little Pill, and he said
that she just wanted to do all press and she
was very professional, but her one caveat was she wanted
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to do quote unquote thinking people's press. There was no
celebrity rag magazine, and she wasn't interested. She wanted to
have deep conversations from the get go.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Is that a risk for her to not have any
rags because that's popularity? I mean, think about that. I
mean it was quite a risk on her part to
do that, or at least I think or was it.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
It might have been, but it paid off in the
end because I think right away she was branded as
someone who was very intelligent, who was a true musician,
not just like you know, and no offense to pop stars.
But she actually was in her past in Canada. Yeah,
but she wasn't perceived in America as a celebrity pop star.
She was perceived as a bona fide musician.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, that's exactly That's where I was going to go,
because you see her as younger artists and she had
the teased up hair from the nineteen eighties and it
was a pop star. Did she explain what happened to
why she flipped?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I think it was just more circumstance. So she from
the age of ten, she was writing songs and they
were great. She released her first single at ten called
Fate Stay with Me. She had interest from labels around
the time she was fourteen and they signed her. So
she had two albums in Canada that never made it
to the US that were very pop, very like Paula
Abdul Janet Jackson. But it's really funny because if you
listen to the second album called Now is the Time
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from nineteen ninety two, there is a song on there
called a Real World and if you watch the video
as well, you see the jagged songwriter starting to come through.
But her label was like, what are you doing? We
can't have you reinvent yourself at this stage, and she
didn't listen to them. The album didn't as well as
her debut in Canada, and they dropped her, and she
decided to keep soldiering on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So later for Gazi as our guest, the new book
Alta Is More or Alana Is Thirty Years of Jagged
Little Pill. I want to talk about females in rock
and roll because I find it absolutely criminal in many ways.
And I'll never use the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame as a benchmark for anything because it's a stupid organization.
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But let's take the Runaways for example. You got Jon Jet,
you had Sherry Curry, Sandy West, Jackie Fox, so many
great female musicians. They're not in the rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Susie Quadrille, you could say, was the groundbreaker.
There's so many female groundbreaking artists. She's not in the
rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think it's criminal.
There's so many great female acts don't get the recognition
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they deserve. What do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, they don't, and a lot of them when they
do enter it's they're in a band. It's not like
a solo art. Unfortunately, I don't know if it's like
they're not respected as much because they don't have a
full on band with them, But you know, it is criminal,
You're right, and I think she deserves to be in
there if you just look at the fact of how
many artists were at the top of their game right
now that we're inspired by her, like Taylor Swift and
Olivia Rodrigo. I mean, we wouldn't have them if Alanas
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didn't break open that gates. But it is interesting because
Alantas has her own kind of thoughts on the on
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Holspiel. I mean,
if you remember, like two years ago, she was supposed
to be there with Olivia Rodrigo doing a tribute to
Carly Simon, and Alani's pulled out the last minute, citing
sexist experiences on the Duction cruise parts. So I don't
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even know. I don't know what her reaction would be
if she got nominated. Let's talk about she should be
in there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, let's talk about some of the artists that you've
interviewed in your career, because it's I mean, it's quite
stunning at Chrissy Hine, Debbie Harry's, Gene Simmons, Jennifer Hudson,
The Black Keys, Jack Whye, Alice Cooper goes on and on.
Of all the interviews you've done, who do you think
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was the best interview?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Oh? God, million dollar question. Yeah, there are so many.
I will say I loved my conversation with Slash a
few years ago. He was more open and kind than
I ever thought a rock star would be. I think
one of my favorites though, is actually you brought up
Jack White. That was about ten years ago, and I
flew out to Nashville to spend a day with him
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at Third Man Records, and it was really just a
fascinating look at this artist who is very mysterious to
begin with, and we hold up in his office at
third Man. He has this like crazy stuffed giraffe just
staring at us. It was a bizarre environment, but my goodness,
he was such a wealth of information and perspective, and
I always think back to that interview was one of
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my absolute favorite.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm not surprised about the rock and roll experience. We
interviewed him a couple of years ago and we were
making fun of him.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
He didn't even know it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So she was.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That album was edgy too, I mean, you're talking about
radio at that time was not playing music with some
of the descriptions she had in that song.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That was a risk, but radio played it anyway.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, Radio, and not only played it anyway, but radio
kicks it off. It was really Ka Rock in La
that kind of set this whole train on its path
because before she even had a true single out, or
really the promotion meal of spinning, Kyrock got their hands
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I literally almost crashed my car in the four h
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what is this that we're hearing? And it became their
most requested song for months, and so just snowballs from there.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Listen. The new book is Altas thirty years of Jagged
Little Pill. We're talking with Selena Fergazzi, the author of this.
You also put out a book, New Kids on the
Block fortieth anniversary celebration. I remember when the New Kids
on the block played here. I believe it was nineteen
eighty nine, nineteen ninety one of our signature hotels, the
Silbac Hotel. They caught the carpet on fire or something,
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and I thought, what I think it was Donnie Wahlberg.
Donnie Wallberg and a local attorney got him off and
then instead of happened to serve any time or anything,
he had to do one of the ease you know
commercials when they say catching apartment, catching hotel room carpets
on fire is dangerous, don't do it. Whatever it was,
do you cover that in the book or how are
(28:57):
those guys to work with? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Just briefly I covered in that book. So I actually
didn't work with them on that book. I had interviewed
Donnie and Joey previously for my work with the Chicago
Sun Times, but their story is fascinating as well. I
didn't you know that was my first band that I
absolutely loved when I was a child. As a child,
you don't understand the intricacies of a band's dynamics or
their story. And I growing up in Boston and they
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were integrated with kids from different neighborhoods, and it really
became how they got their cultural cues. It was just
a fascinating story. Though.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
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have meant most of them. One of them is from
Lexington and they're all super nice guys, and they didn't
know what they were getting into, and that the hotel
thing at Sealed Back was a lot more innocent than
it was played out.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It was just happened to be a great story for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But yes, it sometimes you don't want to meet some
of these guys and gals, but sometimes you do and
that turns out to be yes on that. One last
question here before we wrap things up. What's the biggest
thing you learned about her was as you travel through
this book.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
I think just the extent of the very harrowing experiences
she had as a kid star being fourteen fifteen, working
with these elder men in the industry, and it led
to her eating disorders, it led to very inappropriate relationships
with men, and how much of that baggage she took
with her into Jagged It's just it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Actually, the name of the book is a lot oft
thirty years of Jagged Little Pill. Her name is Selena.
For Guzi, listen Selena, thank you so much for coming on.
I know you're a busy person. We appreciate the time
more than you know.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I appreciate you guys too. Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, I will see you down the road. There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
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Let's get to a news radio eight forty whas and
Tony and Dwight Chill brought you by the Kentucky Office
Hour Safety.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
He is your Kentucky State Treasurer and he could be
your new best friend because last time we had him
on Seeman Johnny from the newsroom found fourteen hundred dollars.
He didn't know that he had. I found about eight hundred.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I have my phone out because I'm going to this
website as soon as he gives it too.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So you're gonna want to play along. If you're listening
at work, you're going to play along, wisdards. Right now
as I bring in your new best friend and your
Kentucky State Treasurer, Mark H. Metcalf Hey, Treasurer of metcalf
How are you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, Dwight. I'm well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, of course, I was hoping that we would get
you in studio. I've been dying to meet you over
the past couple of years. But we will do that
another time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, his lawyer advised not to be in the same
studio as you say that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, Treasure of Metcalf. First of all, let's talk
unclaimed properties or unclaimed cash, because uh it's a gold mine.
But first, do you have any idea how much unclaim
money that the state is sitting on right now that
needs to be distributed to the rightful owners? Do you
do have a number offhand by a chance?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, dollars nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's a billion dollars, a billion dollars, a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So there's a billion dollars just sitting at the Kentucky
State Treasury. And to find out who the rightful owner.
And I did this and last time I got eight
hundred bucks out of the deal. Johnny got in the
newsroom fourteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I checked it years ago and I found four hundred.
I'm about to see if it's still there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, So, Treasure of Metcalf, what is the process?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Walk us through? How can we find out how to
reclaim our money or if we have any money for
that matter.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The first thing you do is type into your computer
Treasure Treasury dot k Y dot gov. One more time,
Treasury dot Ky dot Gov. Okay, you will good dingo to.
You'll be taken to rather a website. On the website,
(02:19):
you'll see a series of selections across the top of
the page. If future, if you're at your computer might
be located on a different arrangement on your phone, but
you'll see an icon that says unclaimed property. Hit the icon. Okay,
it will take you to another page where you will
(02:41):
find a search box.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let me pause. I'm sorry, mister treasurer. Let me pause
you one second because I went to unclaim property boom
to drop down menu unclaimed property property search? Is that
where I go?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, okay, all right, got first name?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm already in, baby, I'm already in. I'm doing this
like I'm an expert.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
All right, so go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You're the boss.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I'm clicking. I am not a robot.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, okay, I'm doing the same thing, John Otter.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Are you on this, yes, sir?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Last time you guys robots.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The Kentucky State Treasurer. Treasurer Metcalf joins the show. We're
talking unclaimed property, Kentucky sitting on close to a billion
dollars of cash that could be yours, some of it
could be yours. And okay, I've got mine pulled up.
I'm owed. Uh yeah, I got a couple in here,
so you got to i'm o ten dollars? No, no, no,
(03:46):
are you just looking at the line because it says okay, okay,
Well so so people go on here. Last time we
did this.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That I don't know how to spell jacqueline. I'm looking
up my wife too. Yeah, you can look up everybody
in your family. Really, it's not just a per family,
it's per person. It's an interesting part of your job.
Is it not that you have this nine hundred and
two million dollars in unclaimed property and every state has
that mostly right or is that just us?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yes? They do. Different states, of course, will have this
trust fund managed by a different office. But in Kentucky
we've assigned this duty to the treasurer. As you guys
have already found out, this is a very user friendly website.
You typed your name into the search box, and you
(04:42):
came to your own names, and as as you mentioned,
you topped your wife's name in, typed your children's name
in your parents' name. You will be taken to pages
that will show the same people. I say this maybe
people with the same name, and then you want to
identify addresses that you have lived in in the past.
(05:03):
Last year at State Fair, two thirds of the people
that came to us came to our tos for booth
got money. Sometimes it was only ten dollars, but sometimes
it was considerably more. This year we sent three hundred
thousand dollars to a man who could not pay his
electricity bills. Oh several thousand dollars back to a school
(05:30):
board so they could put it added to their payroll.
These were taxes that were paid to them that we
had in the trust fund. We got the money back
to them. And in Central Kentucky, we had a nice
lady who had fourteen thousand dollars coming to her in
(05:51):
child support and we got that money back.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
She thought she was being scammed at first. Assured her
this was not a scam. We gave for all the
details and as for them to call us at the
Treasury or write to us at the Treasury. We eventually
got that money back to her. We have opened up
now the Unclaimed Property Trust Fund to child support claimants.
So if there's a man or a woman inside the
(06:16):
Unclaimed Property Trust Fund that has money coming to them,
but they haven't paid their child support. All we need
is the county attorney or the Commonwealth's attorney to confirm
to us if there is a judgment for child support
and that that child support obligation is delinquent. We will
withhold the child support and send that to the recipient.
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Same thing with crime victims. We look to see if
a person who has been convicted of a crime and
owes restitution to a victim has money coming to them
from the Unclaimed Property Trust Fund. We will withhold that
money and send it to the Commonwealth's Attorney or the
county attorney so the money can then go to the victim.
(06:57):
And we've also asked the Kentucky Revenue Department to search
the database and see if a person inside the Unclaimed
Property Trust Fund has money coming to them from the
trust and if they have delinquent taxes, we will withhold
the delinquent taxes. That the nature of this business that
(07:18):
we're engaged in is to raise revenues for individuals or
for government, raise revenues without raising taxes. These moneys already
belong to the people whose names are found in the
trust fund. And this year, last year, we've paid back
a record amount to Kentucky. It's thirty five point five
(07:39):
million dollars already over over fifty million dollars in total
money returned. After eighteen months on the job. We believe
we will finish the year the calendar year close to
seventy million dollars, which means that we're getting the job
done to the needs of Kentuckys and your interest by
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managing this fund with an eye towards public approval and
taking care of public money. So it's it is a
one obligation, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I got two questions.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
One is it against the law for you for the
state of Kentucky to make money off this nine hundred
and two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Last year we returned forty five million dollars to the
general fund. That's what we did.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So where did that come from? Interest?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Was that interest? Billion?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That is great?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That was my first question. Second is should I should I?
Should I search my wife's maiden name?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Would that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Will you do that on the internet? You might be well.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Dwight took Susans Susan's name, so you could use Dwight.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You could use your wife collar.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
You could use that, but I'll tell to search on
all these names. Uh in aliases, But I find that refreshing.
I thought you were gonna say, no, we can't, we can't,
we can't do that. Uh And I'm glad that you
returned forty five million dollars because I would hate for
this money to just sit there and not benefit the
Kentucky citizens.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We're talking to our Kentucky state Treasurer. His name is
Mark H. Metcalf. Treasurer Metcalf says there is almost a
billion dollars nine hundred some odd million dollars out there
unclaimed for Kentucky. Uh So off of a billion dollars,
we're making forty five million dollars off interest on this.
I got to make a suggestion and just take it
(09:40):
or leave it, Treasurer in Metcalf, why not take the
close to one billion dollars, take it to the casino,
put it on red one time, and double it for
the state of Kentucky. Why do most.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
People I don't think Mark was to end up here.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, he doesn't listen. I want to talk to you
about this, Treasurer. Are most of these I mean because
a couple mine were insurance claims and that some of
them were actually I have no idea why from my
company that I work for. You know, they have no
trouble finding me whenever they want me to sit through
some kind of a video conference. But they've owed me money.
(10:14):
Where Where does most of the money that's owed to
Kentuckians come from? Or is there one major offender?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
The largest sources of funds would be stale bank accounts,
would be overpaid premiums. It would be unclaimed death benefits,
or one of the more frequent examples we give would
be the contents of a safe deposit box or the
deposit that was left behind when your son or daughter
(10:46):
forgot to claim that deposit when they graduated from from college.
Those are the most common examples we used. But let
me give you the uncommon exampts.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, yeah, and these.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Are the These are the priceless properties. You can't ever
reproduce them. Military awards and decorations. We have bronze stars.
We have photographs taken from safe deposit boxes of the recipients.
So some good Kentucky family used to have that picture
their loved one along with the decoration or award posted
(11:19):
next to the fireplace or in the family room, so
that people can remember this person who gave a lot
to our nation and to our state and who's no
longer with us. So this is these are the kinds
of priceless treasures we have. We also, I think I
should tell you this. The kinds of things that we
are holding that are priceless and are unique are the
(11:45):
very things I've just mentioned. But let's say baseball card collections.
Those are the kinds of things that can't be reproduced.
They belong to someone who spent a lot of time
putting those together, and we want to get that property
back to the right owner. I also want to point
out that forty five million dollars that we sent to
to the general fund last year. That was after paying
(12:09):
all the expenses of the unclaimed property division in the treasurers.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wow, it's the most efficient.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Wow, it's the most efficient division in Frankfurt. Congratulations, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
We're talking to the Kentucky State Treasurer, Mark H. Metcalf,
and this works. Let me ask you this though, because
it seems like it's it's not a simples task. I
think it will be quite difficult to find out where
the money goes. I bet that could be quite a
bit of a headache to cut through all the red
tape and find out the right owner or is it
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, we have we we have contractors that trace names
for us. They try to find a match between the
property we're holding and a person or persons who fit
the description by name and by address who maybe do
(13:08):
that property. Give you another example, if you're obviously asking
how we get this property back to them, we go
about it very methodically. So if property is going back
to in his state, Let's say, for instance, and we've
got that problem right now where we have a very
large block of stock that is due to a person
(13:29):
living in Kentucky and in this case, her spouse, her
husband passed away. We're trying to get that entire block
of stock back to this nice person. So how do
we do that. We ask for the name of the executor,
and we correspond with the executor or the attorney for
the state, and we confirm that they are who they
(13:51):
represent themselves to be. We confirm that through court records
and through unique identifiers, that we are personal to the
person that would be the executor or the attorney, and
we didn't act on that information to get the property
restored to them.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
He's Kentucky State Treasurer Mark H. Medcalf. Last time we
did this, our sales department opened up all our computers
and half of them found money. I found eight hundred dollars.
Seeman Johnny just found fourteen hundred. Last time, John Alden,
our producer, said he found twenty five thousand dollars. But
do not tell his wife. Oh, he said, don't read
this on the air. Never mind. Listen. It's a daunting
(14:32):
job that you have, but it's got to be the
most efficient department and government because just off the interest,
after paying for things, you're still left with a forty
five million dollar surplus to the state. Hey, well, don
Treasurer Metcalf, Am I missing anything because I think the
I think getting people money back is probably the most
(14:53):
important selling point. But am I'm missing anything?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
First of all, remember Fellows, Dwight and your helper there.
This belongs to them. It doesn't belong to the state.
We run back to them as quickly as we can,
identify who the owner is and talking about the efficiency
with which it operates. The Treasury employees somewhere between thirty
(15:17):
five and forty people. All of this is done in
accordance with rules that have been adopted by the General Assembly,
and we live and die by those rules. We can
account for every penny that is coming through the treasury
forty billion dollars this year at probably twenty two billion dollars,
(15:37):
received another twenty two billion paid out forty four billion dollars. Altogether,
we can account for every penny of it. We're always
looking for ways to run our office more efficiently and
give the taxpayers the value they deserve.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He's your Kentucky State Treasurer Mark as Treasurer Metcalf. Can
you give the address one more time for the list.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Treasury dot ky dot gov. That will take you to
our website. You will see a variety of icons. Hit
the uncleaned property icon. It will take you. If you
said it yourself property search. It will take you to
a page with a search box. Type your name, your
(16:23):
wife's name, your husband's name, your children's names into the
search box. See what you get.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Listen, treasure Metcalf, I reached out. You were generous enough
to come on and share the information again. For that,
I say thank you and keep doing what you do. Man,
and thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, thanks Dwight, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Man, there you go, Martin Messy, all right, most efficient
I think area of frankfort Ever.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know what I just realized.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We pay back to the state and we pay for
all our bills.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Hey, listen to this. If you and I could just
come up with a billion dollars, we can make forty
five million in interest every year.
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Thank you.
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why no, wow?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Jagged Little Pill? Can you believe it's been thirty years?
I want to bring in Selena for Gazi. Selena, how
you doing.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Please tell me how and crucify your last name, mister
for Gazi. How about that? Right? Okay?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I only got one thing right today, like a clock.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah that's twice. Selena. I want to talk about your
new book, and first of all, thank you for coming
on because I found this was interesting. The name of
your book is thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill. It
was that record in nineteen it was it was so huge,
well it was.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It was.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It was a watershed moment in music. I was a
rock station at the time, and we went from we
all know the watershed moments when it had with Pearl
Jam and all that, and we flipped from that silly
little hairband stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I know you still enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Some of us have not. Some of us are heavy
metal on, some of us are metal heads. But Selena,
I do love and I appreciate Jagged a Little Pill.
It's a great record. Let's start with the burning question
and see if you know this, Uh, the song we
all don't know officially, who was that about? Is the
guy from a the TV show was.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
A little to answer.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, Well, in Alanti's own words, she said, he's the
one who's been most vocal about it. But to this
day she is not kissed and told exactly who that
song is.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Ah a.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Deathbed confession.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It'll be a deathbed confession forty years from now. Why
did you choose I? Look, it was it was an
important album and it's still played today. Why did you
choose this? What got you going about writing a book
about this?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, this album just really changed my life as a
young person. I was thirteen when it came out, and
this album has lived with me for the past thirty
years too, and it changes its meaning every time I
listen to it at a different light stage. And I
am very passionate about writing about women in music, So
I am honored to have Alanis be the first woman
I write about in a book format.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I want to talk about Jacked Little Pill, Alanis Morris said,
it's been thirty years and it dealt with sexuality, waken him, sexuality, sexism,
all kinds of anxiety, depression, angst eating disorder. This whole
album was just everything. I interviewed Tom Morello. I had
(21:13):
him in studio from Rage against the Machine, and I
asked him point blank, I said, so much great music
from Rage against the Machine, Tom Morello, why did you
all quit making albums? And he told me this is
what he told me. He said, well, there wasn't anything
to be angry about anymore because we got rich. She's
(21:35):
only twenty one years old and she puts this album.
I think that's incredible.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Absolutely, And she was writing these songs when she was
nineteen twenty, right, and that the fact that she had
that conviction, it's just incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, well, let's just probably put it into perspective. So
women in rock and roll in the nineteen eighties were
relegated to they were dancing on a car in a
hot legs a song or some sort of poison had
them dancing, or Motley Crue, and then all of a sudden,
(22:08):
you know, the nineteen nineties pop up, and there was
some meaningful lyrics to music, and then she comes out
and just changes changes the landscape pretty quickly. She was
I'm trying to remember how she was for interviews and
all that. Was she kind of private at that time
or was she sending that message out that the album did?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
No, she was very open and she talked about some
of the stuff that kind of, you know, became what
this album was. And she's she's been an open book,
really And I talked to her a very early publicist
in this era. His name is Mitch Schneider, and he
worked with her on Jagged Little Pill, and he said
that she just wanted to do all press and she
was very professional, but her one caveat was she wanted
(22:55):
to do quote unquote thinking people's press. There was no
celebrity rag magazine, and she wasn't interested. She wanted to
have deep conversations from the get go.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Is that a risk for her to not have any
rags because that's popularity? I mean, think about that. I
mean it was quite a risk on her part to
do that, or at least I think or was it.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
It might have been, but it paid off in the
end because I think right away she was branded as
someone who was very intelligent, who was a true musician,
not just like you know, and no offense to pop stars.
But she actually was in her past in Canada. Yeah,
but she wasn't perceived in America as a celebrity pop star.
She was perceived as a bona fide musician.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, that's exactly That's where I was going to go,
because you see her as younger artists and she had
the teased up hair from the nineteen eighties and it
was a pop star. Did she explain what happened to
why she flipped?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I think it was just more circumstance. So she from
the age of ten, she was writing songs and they
were great. She released her first single at ten called
Fate Stay with Me. She had interest from labels around
the time she was fourteen and they signed her. So
she had two albums in Canada that never made it
to the US that were very pop, very like Paula
Abdul Janet Jackson. But it's really funny because if you
listen to the second album called Now is the Time
(24:10):
from nineteen ninety two, there is a song on there
called a Real World and if you watch the video
as well, you see the jagged songwriter starting to come through.
But her label was like, what are you doing? We
can't have you reinvent yourself at this stage, and she
didn't listen to them. The album didn't as well as
her debut in Canada, and they dropped her, and she
decided to keep soldiering on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So later for Gazi as our guest, the new book
Alta Is More or Alana Is Thirty Years of Jagged
Little Pill. I want to talk about females in rock
and roll because I find it absolutely criminal in many ways.
And I'll never use the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame as a benchmark for anything because it's a stupid organization.
(24:52):
But let's take the Runaways for example. You got Jon Jet,
you had Sherry Curry, Sandy West, Jackie Fox, so many
great female musicians. They're not in the rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Susie Quadrille, you could say, was the groundbreaker.
There's so many female groundbreaking artists. She's not in the
rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think it's criminal.
There's so many great female acts don't get the recognition
(25:16):
they deserve. What do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, they don't, and a lot of them when they
do enter it's they're in a band. It's not like
a solo art. Unfortunately, I don't know if it's like
they're not respected as much because they don't have a
full on band with them, But you know, it is criminal,
You're right, and I think she deserves to be in
there if you just look at the fact of how
many artists were at the top of their game right
now that we're inspired by her, like Taylor Swift and
Olivia Rodrigo. I mean, we wouldn't have them if Alanas
(25:41):
didn't break open that gates. But it is interesting because
Alantas has her own kind of thoughts on the on
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Holspiel. I mean,
if you remember, like two years ago, she was supposed
to be there with Olivia Rodrigo doing a tribute to
Carly Simon, and Alani's pulled out the last minute, citing
sexist experiences on the Duction cruise parts. So I don't
(26:01):
even know. I don't know what her reaction would be
if she got nominated. Let's talk about she should be
in there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, let's talk about some of the artists that you've
interviewed in your career, because it's I mean, it's quite
stunning at Chrissy Hine, Debbie Harry's, Gene Simmons, Jennifer Hudson,
The Black Keys, Jack Whye, Alice Cooper goes on and on.
Of all the interviews you've done, who do you think
(26:26):
was the best interview?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Oh? God, million dollar question. Yeah, there are so many.
I will say I loved my conversation with Slash a
few years ago. He was more open and kind than
I ever thought a rock star would be. I think
one of my favorites though, is actually you brought up
Jack White. That was about ten years ago, and I
flew out to Nashville to spend a day with him
(26:49):
at Third Man Records, and it was really just a
fascinating look at this artist who is very mysterious to
begin with, and we hold up in his office at
third Man. He has this like crazy stuffed giraffe just
staring at us. It was a bizarre environment, but my goodness,
he was such a wealth of information and perspective, and
I always think back to that interview was one of
(27:11):
my absolute favorite.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm not surprised about the rock and roll experience. We
interviewed him a couple of years ago and we were
making fun of him.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
He didn't even know it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So she was.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That album was edgy too, I mean, you're talking about
radio at that time was not playing music with some
of the descriptions she had in that song.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That was a risk, but radio played it anyway.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, Radio, and not only played it anyway, but radio
kicks it off. It was really Ka Rock in La
that kind of set this whole train on its path
because before she even had a true single out, or
really the promotion meal of spinning, Kyrock got their hands
on the single through their connections to Maverick, her label
at the time, and they took a chance and just
played it out of nowhere. It didn't censor it. And
it's so funny because so many people I talked to
(27:57):
you for this book or saw interviews with they were like,
I literally almost crashed my car in the four h
five or the one oh one because it was like,
what is this that we're hearing? And it became their
most requested song for months, and so just snowballs from there.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Listen. The new book is Altas thirty years of Jagged
Little Pill. We're talking with Selena Fergazzi, the author of this.
You also put out a book, New Kids on the
Block fortieth anniversary celebration. I remember when the New Kids
on the block played here. I believe it was nineteen
eighty nine, nineteen ninety one of our signature hotels, the
Silbac Hotel. They caught the carpet on fire or something,
(28:37):
and I thought, what I think it was Donnie Wahlberg.
Donnie Wallberg and a local attorney got him off and
then instead of happened to serve any time or anything,
he had to do one of the ease you know
commercials when they say catching apartment, catching hotel room carpets
on fire is dangerous, don't do it. Whatever it was,
do you cover that in the book or how are
(28:57):
those guys to work with? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Just briefly I covered in that book. So I actually
didn't work with them on that book. I had interviewed
Donnie and Joey previously for my work with the Chicago
Sun Times, but their story is fascinating as well. I
didn't you know that was my first band that I
absolutely loved when I was a child. As a child,
you don't understand the intricacies of a band's dynamics or
their story. And I growing up in Boston and they
(29:22):
were part of this very controversial bussing program where they
were integrated with kids from different neighborhoods, and it really
became how they got their cultural cues. It was just
a fascinating story. Though.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, they were a marketing band and they're nice guys,
have meant most of them. One of them is from
Lexington and they're all super nice guys, and they didn't
know what they were getting into, and that the hotel
thing at Sealed Back was a lot more innocent than
it was played out.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It was just happened to be a great story for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But yes, it sometimes you don't want to meet some
of these guys and gals, but sometimes you do and
that turns out to be yes on that. One last
question here before we wrap things up. What's the biggest
thing you learned about her was as you travel through
this book.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
I think just the extent of the very harrowing experiences
she had as a kid star being fourteen fifteen, working
with these elder men in the industry, and it led
to her eating disorders, it led to very inappropriate relationships
with men, and how much of that baggage she took
with her into Jagged It's just it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Actually, the name of the book is a lot oft
thirty years of Jagged Little Pill. Her name is Selena.
For Guzi, listen Selena, thank you so much for coming on.
I know you're a busy person. We appreciate the time
more than you know.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I appreciate you guys too. Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, I will see you down the road. There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Oh wow a lot, Yes go.
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