Bengals Pep Rally -- 11/14/25

Dan Hoard and Dave Lapham get you ready for Bengals and Steelers this Sunday! They are joined by Pittsburgh Columnist Tim Benz and Bengals Kicker Evan Mcpherson

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
It is a Friday afternoon in Cincinnati, and a big
football weekend is about to begin. Huge high school games
coming up tonight, the bear Cats against the Arizona Wildcats
in an important Big twelve game coming up tomorrow at noon,
and of course the game we are going to get
you set for over the next three hours, the Bengals
against the Pittsburgh Steelers coming up on Sunday at one

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o'clock in the Steel City. I'm Dan Hord with Dave Lapham.
This is the Bengals pep Rally show presented by Just
Bear Chicken. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. We are at
our Friday afternoon home, the on the Ryan Eatery here
in downtown Cincinnati. If you have not been here before,
it is the Food Haul on the second floor above

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the downtown Kroger on Court and Walnut. We are on
thirty minutes earlier than usual today because of a scheduling conflict,
So it's a two thirty to five thirty show this afternoon,
as is always the case, will be joined by a
very special guest. He'll be here from four thirty to
five thirty and he is a fan favorite. Dave Lapham,
the guy known as Money Mack Evan McPherson.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Money Mac, no question Dan he is. He is a
fan favorite, and he's because he can be a hero,
you know, or a goat, I guess, depending on the
way his kicks go. But he's executed at an extremely
high level. I mean he makes money Mack. It's almost
like automatic money Mack. It's you just you just start

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counting the points before they're actually up on the board.
And he's got a huge leg got He's got such range,
credible range. I mean he can hit from fifty five
sixty yards. He shit a fifty seven yarder this year.
He made a sixty yarder that was nullified by penalty,
so he can kick it a mile literally and very

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popular with his teammates. Cincinnati Bengals are glad to have
a player of that caliber. Darren Simmons, a special teams
coach loves him, loves him to death, and he's a
weapon on kickoffs as well. He can manipulate the football
like a very few can. He can do a lot
of things with that football.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
He's got eight game winning field goals in his Bengals career,
the most recent against the team the Bengals have played
this Sunday, to Pittsburgh Steelers. They met on Thursday night,
almost exactly a month ago. Cincinnati won the game on
a kick by money back with seven seconds to go.
And let's face it, if not for that victory over
the Pittsburgh Steelers, we might be thinking that this game

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on Sunday doesn't mean much. But it does because of
the state of the AFC North. In a normal year, honestly,
the Bengals would probably be out of it. Yeah, Normally
you'd expect Pittsburgh or Baltimore to be seven or two,
maybe the other team six and three, But not this year.
Pittsburgh is five and four on top of the division

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and the Steelers are reeling. They've lost three out of
their last four. Baltimore is coming on. The Ravens have
won three straight, but that's after a one in five start,
so they're four and five and who knows, Lamar Jackson's
already missed a couple of games with a hamstring strain.
He could tweak it again this week, sure, and the
Ravens would be in jeopardy if that happens. So the
Bengals still have a shot. They can climb right back

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into the thick of the race if they can beat
the Pittsburgh Steelers on the road this Sunday, they would
be three and oh in the division and two and
oh head to head against Pittsburgh. Let's hear from Joe
Burrow and Jamar Chase on the importance of Sunday's game.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, you know, our division is why open. I think
Pittsburgh's five and four at this point. We play them
this week, so you know, everything is still there in
front of us. It's very rare that our division looks
like this, but it does this year, and so you know,
I think we'll be at least in it until the end.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, it's muscling if you want to win AFC.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Yeah, it's approaching any differently because of.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
The no I mean you can't approach another game differently
because it's muscling game that approach every game the same.
You want to win every game, so I approach every
game the same.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Lap. We've been working together for fifteen years now, you
know me. I hate the expression must win. Right when
people start throwing that out in week three, I want
to put a fist through a chalkboard. It drives me bananas,
and it's common for people to do that. Sure, I
will use that expression this week. If the Bengals have
any shot of going to the playoffs and winning the division, realistically,

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they need to win this.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Week, absolutely, Dan, I mean, it's got to have a game.
You know, the Cincinnati Bengals have really no choice. They
have to come out and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Not
an easy task, and to beat them in Pittsburgh makes
it doubly difficult. They play well in front of their
hometown crowd, The fans respond to Mike Tomlin, they absolutely love.

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It's a love fest with Mike Tomlin the Pittsburgh Steeler
fan base. So this is not going to be an
easy task. The Bengal's gonna have to play, in my mind,
the best game they've played to date. This season in
order to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh, and they
come off the bye week, you know it'd be timely
to do that. You know, you have a bye week

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to make some adjustments, tweak some things, figure some things out,
you know, find out what you do well and emphasize
that and things you're doing poorly, eliminate them or change
them up somehow. So I know the coaches have been
grinding during the bye week. They put in a lot
of time and have been studying tape and trying to

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figure out a way to get on a run. And
the best way to get on a run is to
beat the Pittsburgh steel Is at Pittsburgh. That's Game one,
and then string a few together. And it's a tough
task though. I mean, you look at that, You look
at who they've got Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh, New England here
in Cincinnati, at Baltimore at Buffalo, Baltimore at home, what

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I mean, finish the season at Miami, Arizona, here, Cleveland here.
But man, the stretch, these one, two, three, four, five
game stretch, that's as tough a five game stretch as
anybody in the National Football League has over the next
five weeks. So the Cincinnati Bengals are going to have
to play their best football of the season to put

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it together in terms of you know, if you don't
win them all, win four, four and one.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Not bad against a schedule like that, or even three,
and it's the right three Pittsburgh Baltimore, Baltimore. If they
can win those divisional games, that's the formula this year,
because they're not going to be the wildcard team at
three and six. They have to go six and oho
or five and one in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
North, absolutely, and if they do, if they win, they'd
be five and zero in the division at that point.
One of those games, I mean that that is that's
just what the doctor ordered. That would be a must,
that would be a requirement if you not if your
overall record is a blow par so, very very important
football game in Pittsburgh this weekend.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
The Steelers started the year four and one, but they've
dropped three out of four. That streak began with a
loss on a Thursday night to Cincinnati at pay Courts Stadium.
Thirty three to thirty one was the final score. We
think of the Steelers for great defense, but it's been
up and down this year. They're near the bottom of
the NFL in yards allowed, they are dead last and
passing yards allowed. They had a lot of sacks, They've

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got a lot of takeaways. But if you can preventure
or protect your quarterback brother and avoid turnovers, you can
put points on the board against this Pittsburgh team. And
when we come back, that's what we are going to discuss.
Are the Steelers still the Steelers on defense? This is
the Bengals pep Rally Show live from the on the

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Rhine Eatery here in downtown Cincinnati on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Dan Ord and Dave Lapham back on the Bengals pep
Rawley Show, presented by Just Their Chicken on thirty minutes
earlier than usual this week. It's a two thirty to
five thirty show. That will also be the case again

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next week. So keep that in mind as we come
to you from the on the Rhine Eatery here in
downtown Cincinnati, the food hall above the downtown Kroger at
Court and walnutt. It's the Bengals and Steelers this Sunday
at one o'clock. When you think of Pittsburgh, we tend
to think of Blitzburg. Great defenses, and they've got a
lot of sacks this year as they always seem to

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the time for second in the NFL in sacks with
thirty two. They've got some tremendous defensive players. Three guys
on the defense are seven time Pro Bowlers T. J. Watt,
Cameron Hayward, and Jalen Ramsey. That's incredible. Patrick Queen's also
a two time Pro Bowler. So naturally when you think

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of Pittsburgh, it's that physicality on defense. Let's hear from
Bengals linebacker Demetrius Knight.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
We know this is a team that you know they
like the pounding ground and you know that's that's who
they are, and that's their identity, identity of their head coach.
And I believe that that that's there, that organization's motto,
you know, being being very hard nosed and you know,
being old fashioned football.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
The run, run, run, run the ball.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
So for us, we're getting back to again mastering the basics.
After everybody got fresh and everybody got healthy, we're getting
bast to just giving it back to them, you know,
making sure that we don't end up being the but
also you know, for being an enforcer, being the hammer,
striking first before they can strike strike us. So make
sure we jump out to it a fast start. It's

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been amount of just since the beginning of the season,
so it's not going to go away. So just continue
to start fast in this in this opportunity and bring
it to him as as as we know.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
As we know how so.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I focused on the physicality on defense before we heard
from Demetrius. Let's talk a little bit about the physicality
on offense because in that first meeting a month ago,
we saw a lot of a sixth offensive lineman coming
into the game, double tight ends, including Darnell Washington, who
is a tight end in name only. He's more than
three hundred pounds. He's really an extra tackle. It's like

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having seven offensive linemen on the field.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
It is I mean, uh, Darnel Washington, like you say,
is is definitely you know, a monster. I mean he's
he's a moose.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
And it's a tackle that has great feet. I mean,
he's a he's a good athlete. He he's not a
joke as a tight end. I mean he's a legitimate weapon.
He can run good routes, he can catch the football,
he can put the football away protect the football. He's
a he's a hell of a football player, and he
does get movement when he's in the football on the
football field at the end of the line of scrimmage.

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You watch tape of Darnel Washington, he is moving people
and laterally, and he's if they if they slant, he's
carrying him way past where they want to be. And
if they're not, if they're trying to gap them. Again,
three hundred pound guy gets good low pad level, bends
his knees well because he can flex his knees being

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the athlete that he is, and and he's got flexibility
in his ankles as well, and he can move people.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Staelers value the trenches. They always have the first round
draft pick this year a defensive tackle Derek Harmon, their
first round drift draft pick last year an offensive tackle
Troy Fatanu. There are a first round draft pick the
year before that, another offensive tackle, Roderick Jones. So their
last three first round draft picks have been guys in

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the trenches.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
And and that's that's what Mike Tomlins all about, you know.
And it goes, it goes all the way back to
in the trenches. In the Pittsburgh Steelers when they had
the Steel Curtain, and remember playing against those Pittsburgh Steeler
teams when the steel curtain of Joe Green, Dwight White,
L C. Green, would Ernie Fatz Holmes. Those guys were amazing,

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very very difficult to try to handle them on a
on a snap by snap basis when the Pittsburgh Steelers
were reigning supreme in the National Football League. And then
their offensive line, you know, anchored by Mike Webster, who
you know, unfortunately passed away way too young, was a
pretty good friend who played in a bunch of college
All Star games with Mike Webby Webster and he was

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he was a great player. But they've moon Mullins. I mean,
they they've always had very very strong offensive lines physically
strong and athletic, you know, not just big stiffs. These
guys are athletic. They can they can go out and
pull and get get out in front of people. They
have a nice trap game that they've had for years.

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In their offensive line they've had they always had like
a big physical back Franco Harris, I mean, Franco's a
big dude.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Rocky Blier, you know, another guy served in the military.
You know, it's just a hard nosed dude. The Pittsburgh
Steelers have always been about physicality. Dan, There's no two
ways about it.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
The Bengals dead last at stopping the runs so far
this year. They are going to have to be much
better than the one hundred and sixty six rushing yards
per game that they've allowed in the first nine games
this season. We'll take a time out when we come back.
Would you sign Joe Flacco to a contract for next year?
Right now, I'm seeing nodding in the audience. Well, this

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guy's that when we come back. This is the Bengals
Pepper Rally Show presented by Just Bear Chicken on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Welcome back to the Bengals pep Rally Show
presented by Just Fair Chicken, live from the on the
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hall above the downtown Kroger at Courton Walnut. Plenty of
parking nearby, including a garage that's attached to this building.
Lots of seating available inside here, particularly right now. I'm
sure it'll continue to fill up as we get closer
to four to thirty. When We will be joined in
the final hour by our special guest, Bengals kicker Evan
McPherson Money Mack. We've got round two in the Battle

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of the Aged on Sunday, forty year old Joe Flacco
against forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. Rogers, by the way,
turns forty two in about two weeks. Real Flacco one
round one, thirty three to thirty one about a month ago.
We'll see if Joe Calm can do it again. Flatco
has been incredible since joining the Bengals. He's averaging three

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hundred and thirteen passing yards a game, eleven touchdown passes,
two interceptions, passer rating over one h two. The Bengals
are averaging more than thirty two points a game in
the four games that he has started, and he has
obviously become embraced by his teammates and coaches.

Speaker 7 (15:18):
Here's Joe, Well, I feel like I'm a part of
the team, you know. I think that's a big thing,
you know, like developing relationships with the guys and you know,
proving to them that you belong and that you can play,
and yeah, it means it means more when you can
look guys in the eye and like know.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
That you went to battle with each other.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
And I think that's the biggest difference, is just feeling
like I'm a part of all that, all.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Right, lap I asked the question before the commercial break,
if Joe Flacco wants to play and be Joe Burrow's
backup next year at the age of forty one, would
you sign him to that deal today?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I do it yesterday. I mean, like, uh, the ankor
would be drying, be bone dry today. Yeah. I think
that Joe Flacco has exceeded. Uh, he's gone above and
beyond expectations. That the numbers that he's putting up are incredible.
They really are. And he's he's very humble. He's like

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you said, Dan, and you know, the listening to the
interview of the tape that you ran of Joe Burrow,
Joe Borrow, Joe Flacco talking about his teammates, he is
extremely humble and they love the guy. Uh, you know,
he's he's not about himself. He's not about you know what.
What all I'm worried about is how many yards I'm

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throwing for, how many touchdowns I'm throwing. He's all about
the w's man. He wants to win as many football
games as he can. And when you have a quarterback
that has that kind of a mindset, that is that unselfished,
is that much of a team player. You have a
diamond in the rough, you have a gym.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
So the Bengals protected him him extremely well. In that
first game against Pittsburgh. He got sacked a couple of times,
but obviously that doesn't cost you the game against Pittsburgh
as long as you hold onto the ball. He didn't
throw any interceptions in that game. Aaron Rodgers threw a
couple to me. That's the game. Protect Flaco, don't turn

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it over, and you got a chance. You still might
not win if your defense struggles the way the Bengals
defense has struggled, But you got a chance if you
can keep Flaco on his feet and avoid turnovers.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Exactly, Dan, I mean, you know, make sure that Joe
Flacco takes the first nap and the last nap. Make
sure that he's there performing at a high level for
the entire football game, and don't let him take any shots.
Don't let him take hits even after he releases the football.
Sometimes those those shots that you take right after you

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have let the ball go.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Man.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Those things. Those things linger, They stay with you, and
you know he's you just have to protect them. When
you're over forty years old, all your body parts start
to feel it a little bit. You know. You wake
up in the morning and get out of bed and man,
and these a little bit stiff. Man, it hifts a
little bit stiff. And then you start to rotate your

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arms a little bit. Man, the shoulders are a little bit,
a little bit stiff and sore. Oh flex the arms. Men,
the elbows a little bit stiff and sore. So when
you have a commodity that is as valuable as Joe
Flacco has been to this football team at forty years old,
you have to do everything you possibly can to protect him.
Maybe that's putting in another offensive lineman, extra offensive lineman,

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and making sure you can double more than one of
those great defensive front four members of the Pittsburgh Steelers
if you have to to keep Joe Flacco clean. With
that said, the biggest thing is don't give the football away.
Do not give extra possessions to the Pittsburgh Steelers. If
you can take them away from him, take at least

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one away. If you could take two or three away.
You should be in high cotton. You should be in
good position to win that football game. Close that football
game out. But you can't be given the football away
and expect to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers no matter where
you play him, home, away or in the moon.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Let's get to the Bengals injury report, brought to you
by the Kettering Health Network. Joe Flacco has been dealing
with a sore shoulder. He only practiced once this week.
Didn't practice Wednesday, did practice yesterday, did not practice today.
That was the formula in his last game, and he
threw for four hundred and seventy yards. It sounds like
his shoulder is feeling better this week after a bye

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week than it did going into the Bears game, So
I don't think that's a big concern, even though his
practice has been limited this week. Trey Hendrickson, as expected,
is out, Shamar Stewart has expected is out. Samaj p
Ryan as expected, is out. So the Bengals are going
to be missing two good players on their defensive line
and a great third down running.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Back, no question. And let's start at p Ryan first.
The offense. I mean, he's had a hell of a year.
He's a special player in my opinion, because he's such
a special human being. Had a great career at Oklahoma,
had a great high school career before that, most definitely,
and goes to Oklahoma, performs at an extremely high level there,

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gets drafted. This is his second go round with the
Cincinnati Bengals. Drafted by the Bengals coming out of Oklahoma.
He can do it all. He can run, he can
run away from you. He can run for power with power,
he can catch the football out of the backfield, runs
great routes, soft hands, puts the ball away. And the

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big thing that he does and Joe Flacco and Joe
Burrow both appreciate this. He will stick his nose right
in the middle of the chest of a linebacker or
a defensive end or an outside blitzer safety, whoever it
may be, and stone him, stop him right in his
tracks and allow the quarterback time to get the football away.
That is invaluable, and he is. He's a significant member

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of the Cincinnati Bengals offensive skill position players for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
It's the Bengals and Steelers. This Sunday at one o'clock
will take a time out. When we come back, we
will head to Pittsburgh and get the latest on this
week's opponent, the dreaded, hated but grudgingly respected, very grudgingly
Pittsburgh Steelers. This is the Bengals pep Ratley Show presented
by Just Bear Chicken, live from the on the Rhine

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Eatery on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Dan Horde, He's Dave Lapham.
This is the Bengals pep Rally Show presented by Just
Bear Chicken Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. We are broadcasting
on this Friday afternoon, as we do every Friday, from
the on the Rhine Eatery here in downtown Cincinnati. Evan

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McPherson Moneymack will join us in the final hour of
the show from four thirty to five thirty. Right now,
it is time for our no the Faux segment. Let's
get the latest on this week's opponent, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and to do that we had to Pittsburgh, and we
welcome in a buddy of mine. He is a broadcaster,
a podcaster, and a columnist in Pittsburgh. He is also

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a proud former Syracuse Orange Grass Cord and lapham our
pal Tim Benz. Tim welcome back to the Bengals Pepperrilly show.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 9 (22:23):
We're deploying the Syracuse line here. I'm actually listening to
a Penguins game right now at two pm in the
afternoon from Stockholm, So I got hockey on the brain.
I'm calling a hockey game tonight. So it's crossover season.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
You know how that goes. We certainly do. Yeah, yes,
all right, Tim, Let's go back about a month Thursday
night at pay Course Stadium, Cincinnati beats Pittsburgh thirty three
to thirty one. Aside from the final score, obviously, what
was the most disappointing aspect of that game from the
Steelers perspective.

Speaker 9 (22:55):
I just think it was the overall lack of answers,
the inability to when they adjusted, come up with anything better.
I think there's a little bit of a misconception that
they didn't try to adjust on Jamar Chase and see
Hagen's particularly Chase. I mean, they did at times go
from zone demand, but they were playing man so soft

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because they were so concerned about getting burned. It looked
like zone, you know, and that kind of became apparent
in the analysis afterwards. But the corollary to that I
would see the second part beyond just not being able
to proficiently adjust and get better once you figured out
what's going on is they never figured out the pass
rush either. They never applied any pressure on Joe Flacco.

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He dropped back forty seven times. I think he got
sacked twice. He's in his forties, he can't move. And
if you can't get to him and you allow him
to get the ball off as quickly as he did,
as good as those two wide receivers are and I
think below the line as the Steelers are on the secondary,
it's gonna make for a long night. And that was
exactly the formula that was followed throughout the course of
that game.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, that's that's pretty amazing. I mean, you look at
the Pittsburgh Steelers and you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers
pass rush comes to mind immediately. You're just catching up
talking with Dan earlier about playing against the Pittsburgh Steelers
back in the seventies and early eighties with the steel
Curtain defense. Oh my god. And they could bring the heat.
Any one of them could have a multiple sack game.

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You know, you got Fast Holmes and Joe Green at
defensive tackle Dwight White on one flank and Ernie yeah
Else Greenwood, big, big, long, tall, strong Elsie Greenwood on
the other side. I mean it was those were challenges,

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those those were big time challenges. This Pittsburgh Steeler defensive
football team. Mike tom has been around a long time
in Pittsburgh. You've seen a lot of great defenses. What
does he think about this crew?

Speaker 9 (24:56):
Well, he was really sold at the start of the year,
these now departed one Thornhill, who they've already gotten rid of.
They had an interview session with him media members up
there at training camp, and he talked about how great
this defense is going to be. He was just gushing
about how awesome it was and how it was going
to set records, this, that, and the other thing. Tomlin

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goes on the morning show for the flagship station forty
hours later and they asked him about that, like, do
you want to tamp that down at all? They asked
it that way.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Is is this a little extreme?

Speaker 9 (25:28):
Do you want to tamp down that conversation all? He goes, No,
I think we can be historic. So he ratcheted up
the speculation, and you know, you get out there and
you play against a team that can throw the ball
with a smart quarterback and good wide receivers, and you
get exposed passing the ball after they had been dealing
with a carryover from the end of last year where
they couldn't stop the run against the Jets and some

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other teams earlier in the season, and right away he
kind of looked dumb, and the entire defense looks silly
for propping up this notion that they were going to
be to your earlier points akin to what we saw
in the seventies or the nineties or.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
The early two thousands.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Around here. They are not that they are not closed,
and especially in the secondary. I think they just miscalculated
what they were getting in some of the veterans they
were requiring. Obviously they swung and missed on Thornhill. They
thought that Ramsey could be a safety corner hybrid. Clearly
he's still got the safety instincts and skills. He can't

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run with good wide receivers anymore.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
And Slay was just shot.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
You didn't hear a lot of people complaining in Philadelphia
down the turnpike going, oh my god, we lost Darius Slay.
No wonder you saw what happened when he came here,
and they're trying to puff up Brandon Eckles like he
can be the answer.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
He was a nice little signing.

Speaker 9 (26:45):
But let's not get carried away and think he's going
to be mel Blunt if you want to continue with
the seventies analogies, right, he ain't that. He's not even
to Shaye Townsend. So like that's the biggest problem.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Tim Ben's is our guest. This is year nineteen from
my Tomlin in Pittsburgh. He went to two Super Bowls
in the first four years of his tenure, winning one.
That means no Super Bowls in the last fourteen years.
Hasn't had a losing season, as everybody knows, but there's
been a lot of a game over five hundred cup

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three seasons where they finished exactly five hundred. I say
all of that to bring up this. After the Giants
fired Brian Dabole, some columnists nationally suggested, you know what,
Mike Tomlin would be the perfect guy in New York.
Maybe it's time for a change of scenery. Forum. How
would most Steeler fans react at this point if that

(27:38):
went down? Did welcome in?

Speaker 9 (27:41):
I think the majority would welcome it. The majority of
people I think who are Steelers fans are ready for change.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
They don't see an.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
End to the perpetual wow, slightly above mediocre level of
football that they've.

Speaker 10 (27:55):
Put out there.

Speaker 9 (27:56):
There's been a lot of nine and eights and ten
and sevens that have been baked up to feel better
than what they are. It's not just a Tomlins streak.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
By the way.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
That streak of non losing seasons goes back to when
Roethlisberger was drafted towards the end of the Cower era
in two thousand and four, so it even pre dates
Mike it's even longer than his run here. But you know,
I think it's also I made the hockey reference before.
There's an analogy that a lot of people are drawing
that the Penguins just got away from Mike Sullivan after

(28:25):
he won two Cups and it got very stale and
they didn't have a playoff round win since twenty eighteen
and missed the postseason entirely for the last three years,
and they made a change and the Penguins are off
to a much better than expected start, And it's pretty
low hanging fruit. But it also drives on the point
of maybe you get sedentary and you get afraid of

(28:45):
change because you're used to what you're getting and it's
not terrible. It hasn't been terrible around here. It's been okay.
A lot of our franchises in football would kill per okay.
But when you know what's gonna go on, Mike Tomlins
tombstone is the phrase. The standard is the stand and
it's been substandard to what that standard is supposed to
be around here. You can't live with that credo and

(29:06):
live beneath it for the majority of the past eight seasons,
and that's definitely caught up to him when it comes
to public perception going on what is almost now a
decade in the making since the last time they want
a playoff game.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Mike Tomlins can definitely coach defense. He can definitely coach football.
I mean great. We've talked about great head coach on
twenty five straight non losing seasons. He's responsible for a
high number of those. A big percentage of those great
seasons went to Miami of Ohio. Played wide receiver there.
You know, hell of a football player goes into the
coaching profession and succeeds at an extremely high level after

(29:43):
matriculating at the Cradle of Coaches, and I think he
might have been an assistant coach there after graduation. And
he's a hell of a football coach. He knows defense
when he watches the Cincinnati Bengals, and I know, you know,
you're not in there with him watching tape and getting
his thoughts and opinions on the Bengals defense. But he

(30:03):
knows good defensive players, he knows good defensive coaches when
he sees it and works against it. What does he
think about the Cincinnati Bengals unit, Well.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
I mean he's kind of avoided spending too much time
talking about it publicly, honestly. And he was actually the
defensive back coach at Cincinnati. That's where his relationship developed.
Rick Minner and Jesse Minner, who's you know, just put
on a good display from the Chargers the other night.
But yeah, I mean, I think what he has said

(30:35):
about the defense of the Bengals is you know, he's
always kind of he does the Louholtz thing, you know,
whenever he does his weekly press conference, he spends the
first fifteen minutes talking about every team like they're the
nineties Cowboys, the eighty five bears right, And when he
was talking about the Bengals defense this week, he kept
talking about the young developing players of what they could be.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Spent a lot of.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Time focusing on DJ Turner and you know, like the
job that he's done, and he played against Metcalf last time.
And you know, even though it's pretty clear that Trey
Anderson was gonna play, he was talking about Henderson and
you know how much he has when he is in there.
So he had a very depth way to not talk
about where the Bengals defense has been. But you know,

(31:15):
people in Pittsburgh, people who analyze this sort of thing,
have definitely said this is a game that the Steelers
probably will have to win in the thirties and probably
can and should win in the thirties. Because that game
from Aaron Rodgers was his first bag game, I.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Don't as a Steeler. It was off the Sharks bad, don't.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
Get me wrong, But I don't quite think I'm ready
to believe that we're getting into Russell Wilson territory like
we saw the last five weeks of last year. This
might be the exact elixture that that offense and Aaron
Rodgers needs to face the Bengals defense, and you know,
I expect a similar tone to what we saw in.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
The first game.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
I'm not certain the Steelers are gonna win, but I
would expect to see that overheit. I think it's at
like fifty and that feels like something that both these teams,
even to the field has turned sworn off after Notre
Dame and pitt and the weather's not great, which potentially
could be the case. I still see an option for
a lot of offense this weekend.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
That has certainly been the way it's looked in Bengals
games since Joe Fleco has been Cincinnati's quarterback. Tim, we
appreciate your time, enjoy that hockey match, and we will
see you on Sunday at Akroshore.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
All right, good cashing up with you guys.

Speaker 10 (32:29):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Safe travels, Tim.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
All right, that is Tim Bens again, a broadcaster, podcaster,
and columnist covering all things Pittsburgh in the Steel City.
We'll take a time out when we come back with
Trey Hendrickson out, Shamar Stewart out. Can Miles Murphy step
up start to look like a first round draft pick?

(32:52):
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(33:12):
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(34:18):
all time.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
That's a show and tell man, you got to take
that to school. You know, let everybody, everybody give the
gander that bad boy.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
So if we get a quarterback to come by, we'll
you get the arm from the same mannequin. Yes, they will,
all right. Before the commercial break, we mentioned that Trey
Hendrickson is out this week dealing with a hip injury.
Shamar Stewart is out this week dealing with a knee injury.
Hopefully those guys will be back soon. In the meantime,
somebody's going to have to step up put some pressure

(34:46):
on Aaron Rodgers this week. Joseph Osai could be one
of those guys. Hopefully they'll get a pushed from inside
from somebody like bj Hill or Chris Jenkins. But let's
face it, the guy that we keep hoping is going
to urge is a dependable pass rusher. Is the twenty
eighth pick in the draft a few years ago, Miles Murphy.

(35:06):
He's going to get a bunch of playing time this
week against Pittsburgh, and I talked to him about that
and much more this week. Miles, You've led the Bengals
defensive lineman in snaps each of the last two games.
You were too off the lead in the game before that.
Is this the opportunity that you've been looking for?

Speaker 11 (35:25):
I mean yeah, I feel like as a player, you
always look for any opportunity you can get, and really,
anytime you're on the field, regardless of the snap count,
you want to take advantage of each and every snap,
whether it's one or seventy, you want to take advantage
of each and every one of them. And you know
he's being the pun.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
To put your best before it. Really, do you feel
like all of these snaps are paying off? And if so,
how uh?

Speaker 11 (35:48):
Yeah? I think experience is the best teacher, regardless of
who your coach is. Like, if you're on the field,
you're you're gonna learn something coaches helped, So the coaches
help you progress faster, but experience, I feel is.

Speaker 10 (36:02):
The best teacher.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
Put his dudes that are just year ten, year twelve
that I've talked to and it's just things that they've
learned just by playing the game and being on the field,
like just small, small stuff to give you a little
bit of an edge on a handful of plays. So yeah,
I think experience is the best teacher, and I'm learning.
I'm learning a lot just being just being on the field, anticipating,

(36:26):
anticipating runs and passes a little bit better, going against
elite tackles and developing my pass rush and run moves whatever.
So yeah, I think I'm learning, learning and developing a
lot just being on the field.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
You were one of the youngest guys in your draft class.
You're still only twenty three. Do you feel like you're
still relatively early in the learning process?

Speaker 8 (36:49):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (36:50):
That was one of coach Taylor's main points coming off
of last season. I'm stilling my the things that infancy
of my career. So it's it's okay to continue to
get better. It's rome wasn't built in the day, regardless
of what anyone else says. And here I know I've
gotten a lot better since my rookie year. And the

(37:11):
biggest thing because that is just being able to being
able to anticipate, being able to anticipate plays, knowing knowing
how to watch film, sting, sending in the film with
h jmo or Jerry, just having him walk me through
things to look for, how to watch film, what to
what to study, how to dissect players, how to dissect

(37:31):
backfield formations, being it. Yeah, just doing things like that,
and and and anticipating plays, being able to just play fast.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Visiting with Biles Murphy. You've been teammates with one of
the better sac artists in the NFL now for three
years and Trey Hendrickson. Are the things that you pick
up from him? Or is it easier said than done
to just say, I play with Trey Hendrickson, therefore I'm
going to be able to pick up tricks of the
trade from him.

Speaker 11 (37:57):
Nah, you can't just be here. You can't just show
up and say, Okay, I'm gonna evolve into trade now.
You gotta really tap in, like you can ask him.
I've since I've gotten here, I've been asking him questions.
And it's not all just football stuff. How do you
throw your swipe?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Is?

Speaker 11 (38:10):
Like what do you do when you go home? Or
something like that, Like how do you recover so? And
like one of the things, I'm a pretty good observer.
I've observed a lot of things and people.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
He is.

Speaker 11 (38:22):
He and him and Sam Hubbert when he was here,
we're very anal about their schedule still are, and it's
like I can I can show up to the I
can show up to the facility, and I can expect
Trade to be in certain spots and he's always in
certain spots because he is on top of his schedule.
And I've I tried to do the same thing. I
tried to create a schedule and be on it every

(38:43):
single day, especially when it comes to recovery, because that's
the that's the biggest thing. I didn't really I kind
of just did what I was recommended in college. Now,
since it's so much just free time, you can do
whatever you want me to go home, I had to
just create a schedule, stick to it, create a diet,
stick to it, and really hone it on film and

(39:04):
just use use my use my free time.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Wisely, Really, you are a smart cerebro guy. I enjoy
talking to you. I wonder as a pass rusher if
that works against you, are there times where you find
yourself thinking and maybe you'd be better off just going
uh yeah.

Speaker 11 (39:21):
Early on in my career I admitted that I think
my rookie year and a little bit last year where
I was just thinking overthinking myself of second guests and
on some rushes where I should go inside or outside
or just power.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Us to the guy.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
But I think now I've kind of develop a mindset
of pick one and go commit to it. That's that's
the big thing. That's a big thing. You can portray said,
you gotta just commit to a rush. You can't if
you go into a rush. He says it all the time.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
You go.

Speaker 11 (39:45):
If you go into a rust thinking about a counter,
thinking about a if this doesn't work, go to this,
You're probably not gonna win. So it just really just
commit to that one rush, as for already thinking about
or setting up. So that's a big, big teaching point
that I kind of took in this year.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
This defense is filled with guys that had tremendous college careers,
played on great college teams, and unfortunately, in recent weeks
the Bengals defense has struggled. How hard is it when
I'm sure you feel like you've let the offense down
to a certain extent.

Speaker 11 (40:16):
It's a tough phone, a swallow for sure. But like
you said, us coming from winning programs, successful, successful team
successful defenses, Like we all know, we all know what
it looks like, we all know what it feels like.
Although yes, sharel was at the college level, some of
the guys that were here during that Super Bowl year, BJ,
TREYE and some of the other guys, like, they know

(40:38):
what it looks like on this level. So those are
the leaders that are stepping up and really just us
taking what we knew from college, what worked in college,
bringing it here kind of just adding on, adding on
to the things that the vests did that Super Bowl
year and just taking coaching and retaining it and continuing

(40:59):
to stuff forward. That's the main dame. He can't can't
step back, can't let the confidence kind of just wither away.
Like we know, yeah it's a little bit of a
value right now, but that doesn't mean just the season's over.
So you got to just keep keep stepping forward.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Honestly, appreciate your time. Best of luck this week, Thanks
so much. Appreciate it all right. Laugh. That was Miles Murphy.
Here's my feeling on Miles in year three of his
Bengals career. I think he's improving as a run stopper.
I think he's been decent at that this year, I
haven't seen enough growth as a pass rusher, and obviously

(41:32):
the numbers bear that out. He's got one and a
half sacks this year.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yeah, one and a half sacks this year, four and
a half for his career. I mean a guy that
was picked where he was twenty eighth and has the ability,
the physical talents, the physical skills that he's been blessed with.
You know, you just you expect much more production than yeah,
you know, and he's a puzzle. He's a quandary for

(41:56):
coaches to try to figure out because it's not like
he's loafing or you know, not interested, not paying attention.
He's not anything like that. He wants to be good.
He wants to be he wants to be a dominant player.
He wants to be an upper echelon NFL edge pass
rusher that offensive tackles in the National Football League are like,

(42:19):
oh boy, I got Miles Murphy this week. Oh man,
but he got a lot of sleep better eat right,
And you know, it's it hasn't hasn't panned out for him,
hasn't turned out to be the case. So I know
he's not going to quit on it. I know he's
going to continue to work and work hard. And uh,
the organization, the coach's position, coach coordinator, head coach, nobody's

(42:41):
gonna quit on the guy. They're gonna give them, give
him their full attention as well. I'd like to see
Murphy have a you know, eight or nine sacks season.
That would be That would be great. That would be
a coming out party, you know, that would be Welcome
to the National Football League here, I am.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
He's got a year left on his rookie contract prior
to next season. He'll be eligible for a fifth round option.
I'm sorry, a fifth year option as a first round
draft pick right now, there's no way he gets it
based on how he's played. So he would have to
really have a surge over these final eight games for
the Bengals to want to invest beyond next year.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, and like we talked about, you know, they're in
the beginning of a stretch. Okay, Pittsburgh. You got Pittsburgh twice. No,
you got Pittsburgh once. I already played them once. You
get them again. Aaron Rodgers, you know upper echelon guy
new England quarterbacks playing at a high level. Baltimore. We
know he's playing at a high level. Buffalo, He's playing

(43:40):
at a high level. You could use somebody on the
edge that on a snap by snap basis. These quarterbacks
have to, you know, get their head on a swivel
and look look for a little bit, get their eyes
off the downfield coverage. And Miles Murphy is that kind
of guy. He just have to He has to believe
it and he has to get there.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
The other team's quarterback this week is Aaron Rodgers. Coming
up next, what is it like for a twenty three
year old rookie to face a quarterback in his twenty
first NFL season. We'll hear from Bengals linebacker Barrett Carter next.
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They're cooked to perfection. I mean just enough spice, you know,
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Speaker 3 (45:53):
Correctly perfect, really really good. Yeah, we tend to bring
them home as well, have no question. So we got
the Bengals and Steelers coming up this Sunday at one o'clock,
second time this year that the Bengals will face forty
one year old Aaron Rodgers. He will be forty two
year old Aaron Rodgers in eighteen days. What a career
he's had. He's a four time MVP, he is a

(46:15):
Super Bowl MVP. He has passed for so many yards
in his NFL career we can convert them to miles.
He has passed for thirty six point eight miles in
his NFL career. He's thrown for five hundred and twenty
one touchdowns, including four in the first meeting between these
two teams about a month ago. Cincinnati did win the

(46:35):
game thirty three to thirty one. So imagine what it's
like for the Bengals rookie linebackers Demetrius Knight and Barrett
Carter to walk up to the line of scrimmage, look
at the other team's quarterback, stare them in the eyes,
and see a guy that's been playing in the NFL
since they were two or three years old. Let's hear
from Bengals rookie Barrett Carter on what it's like to

(46:58):
go head to head with a legend in Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 12 (47:02):
It was so cool planning to get some side note,
But what I learned is that you can tell he's
been playing the game for a long time and for
a long time at a high level. At that just
you know, he's walking up out of the huddle and
he's he's viewing the defense and he just looked super
super like calm out there. So that's really that was
really that was really cool to see and just being
able to you know, I was I remember I was

(47:23):
a kid watching him and I got to play against
some first hand. So he's a he's a pois player,
plays with a lot of confidence and uh, you know,
you got to.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Be on your piece accus when you play him. The
Bengals intercepted him twice in that first meeting. Jordan Battle
got him, DJ Turner got him. Came on back to
back possessions in the second quarter. More than anything else,
that was probably the biggest key to the win. Because
the Bengals defense clearly is not shutting teams down. They've

(47:52):
got to get some takeaways and they got two in
that first beating.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Absolutely and uh, you know, we thought turnovers were going
to be a big key in game one, and they
were two interceptions that that Aaron Rodgers threw. Joe Flacco
didn't throw any, so that that was big. That was
a deciding factor in the in the victory for the
Cincinnati Bengals in a hard fought two point win. So yeah,

(48:19):
it's it is. Uh, you go, You're gonna have to
take care of the football, There's no doubt about it.
And Aaron, Aaron Rodgers is going to the Hall of
Fame that five hundred and twenty one touchdowns in his career,
kidding me, it's ridiculous. He did throw four touchdown passes,
like you said, Dan, two interceptions hurt four touchdown passes
almost overcame those interceptions and almost led his team to victory.

(48:44):
You do know that Aaron Rodgers will compete. Aaron Rodgers
wants to make amends for what he feels like a
game where he cost his team a football game and
you know, you can definitely say it. You know it's
a and he realizes that. So he doesn't want to
be the goat. He doesn't want to wear the goat horns.
Again in the Pittsburgh steel of locker room when that

(49:07):
football game ends.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So we talked about the Bengals injuries earlier in the show.
Now the Steelers injury report is out and there is
some good news where the Bengals are concerned. Alex Highsmith
is out. Wow, one of their best pass rushers, a
guy who has given Cincinnati fits over the years. Linebacker
Clay Holcomb is out. That's not quite as significant, although

(49:30):
he had been playing well when he was healthy. Their
left guard Isaac Seamalo is questionable. He did not play
last week in their loss on Sunday Night against the Chargers.
He might be the best offensive lineman they have. He's
certainly the most experienced, so questionable means it's fifty to fifty.
The Bengals can keep their fingers crossed and hope that

(49:51):
he is out this week.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
He is a beast. He really does a hell of
a job. He kind of controls an aw owns the
owns the line of scrimmage. I think that that's an
underrated group to the Pittsburgh Steelers, their offensive line, how
well they've played, you know, as a group this season.

(50:13):
Thought to know at the right tackle position is another horse.
He's a He's an excellent player. Zach Frasier is a
grizzled veteran center. McCormick uh plays well at the at
the right guard position. Roderick Jones a big old, big
old body at the left tackle spot as well. They've
got players. I mean, the Pittsburgh Steelers know what they're doing.

(50:36):
Their stuarding department as a formula, the things they look
for in offensive lineman that over the years they've monitored,
and most of the offensive linemen that have been successful
in the NFL, particularly with the Pittsburgh Steelers, have fit
the bill and and been in the mold of these
physical traits. So they know what they're doing. Absolutely, they

(50:59):
know what they're doing. And I think a big key
in the football game this time, just like it was
in the first matchup dan is who runs the football? Well,
you know who gets their running game going. And you
get that running game going play action pass falls into
plays very easily. So you don't get that running game going.
It does not.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
All right, you just talked about the Steelers offensive line.
We're going to talk about the Bengals offensive line when
we come back. Is Joe Flacco making the Bengals offensive
line look good or is the line actually playing well?
We'll discuss that when we come back. This is the
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(51:45):
They are broadcasting live this afternoon from the on the
Ryan Eatery, the food hall above the downtown Kroger at
the intersection of Court and Walnut. It's the Bengals pep
Rally Show presented by Just Bear Chicken. Joe Flacco has
been the Bengals starting quarterback for four games. In those
four games, the Bengals are averaging more than thirty two points.

(52:05):
He's being sacked less than two times a game. The
Bengals running game is averaging five and a half yards
per carry, which is excellent, and all of that suggests
that the offensive line is playing well. The Bengals offensive
line's taking a lot of shots in recent years when
opposing teams have gotten to Joe Burrow, and some of
that is obviously deserved. So when they're playing well, they

(52:28):
deserve some credit. Yep, let's hear from left tackle Orlando
Brown Junior.

Speaker 13 (52:32):
You know our standard has Risen is going to continue
to rise. We've only gotten better as time's going.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know.

Speaker 13 (52:39):
I also want to come in the coaches too. I
feel like in the way coach Taylor, pitch Scott Man,
coach Hills, coach Casey Hopefully, I'm not forget any of
the position coaches. Man, They've put us in great position
and the way that they've been calling the game has
allowed us to flourish and allow guys to play with
emotion and you know, pund teams in the run game

(53:01):
help keep you know, flack o'clean in the past game.
And but a lot of that is just a collective effort.

Speaker 10 (53:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Offensive line play.

Speaker 13 (53:08):
You know, we could sit here and talk about talent
all day and o line coaches, but to me, it's
a collective thing of receivers getting open, which requires coach
to call certain plays, you know what I mean, in
the rhythm of a game, to go a certain way.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Laptist line features a twenty two year old rookie starting
at left guard, Dylan Fairchild, twenty three year old rookie
starting at right guard, Jalen Rivers, a twenty three year
old second year player starting at right tackle, Marius Mims.
What is your view of the progress of your old
position group, the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah, I agree with what Orlando Brown was talking about
in your comments, and everybody's really thoughts about the offensive
line on a weekly basis. Seems to be improving. You know,
the performance is definitely better in a lot of areas,
and I think their understanding of what the expectation is

(54:04):
at that position is starting to starting to take shape.
They're young, like you said, I mean twenty two years old.
That's unbelievable that you're starting in the National Football League
is a twenty two year old guy, that's truly amazing
in today's NFL, particularly amazing. So they've got a long

(54:25):
way to go. They're not there yet, but they are
starting to climb, you know, the latter of success or
rung at a time, and they're starting to see some success,
particularly in that running game. Like we talked about earlier,
you can run the football. Play action pass is going
to happen, and you're gonna get some big plays out
of it. And then all of a sudden, it's going
to be easier to run the football and one hand

(54:46):
feeds the other, one hand washes the other, And I
think they are starting to realize that big time.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
We've arrived at a point that we were at in
twenty twenty three when Jake Browning played well while Joe
Burrow was out. One of the things that the Bengal
did more when Jake Browning was playing well that year
was half him under center. Yep, they ran the ball
well with him under center. It opened up more of
a play action passing game. We are led to believe

(55:13):
that that is not Joe Burrow's preference. That he likes
to be in the shotgun scan see what the defense
is going to do and would prefer to do that
than be under center. But seeing the effectiveness that they
had in twenty three with Browning, seeing the effectiveness that
they're having with Joe Flacco doing that, does Joe Burrow
have to do that more when he's back and playing.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
It's a great question, million dollar question, and only Burrow
can answer it. I think the coaches will if Joe
Burrow says, look, I don't like I'm being under center.
I'm not comfortable, they won't do it. But Joe's like,
you know what you know, watching Flacco, watching Jake, I mean,
there's something to be said for you know, mixing it
up and getting under center a little bit. I'd still

(55:56):
want to play out of the shotgun. I don't want
to give it up totally, but man, there's some reasons,
good football, sound football reasons to get an under center.
One of the big ones is when you're under center,
you know, you you give the look that you know
you can do either run or pass. You turn your back.

(56:17):
You turn your back to the defense a little bit,
and Joe Burrow hates it. A lot of quarterbacks don't
like turning their back to a defense, so you lose
track of what's going on with the linebackers. How deep
they're dropping safeties? Is one rotating up and the other
one rotating back? Are they you know, doing that at
the safety position? Did they change their blitz look? Did

(56:38):
they drop out of it? Or did they come from
a pass drop look to a blitz look. So a
lot of quarterbacks like the shotgun staying in the gun
because they can see all that. They can see the field,
and they they're not surprised. They're never like, oh my gosh, man,
I lost track of that one. So it's interesting. There's
pros and cons to everything, and there's pros and console

(57:00):
a lot of things in the game of football as well.
And I guess you know it all. It all boils
down to what do you like, what do you feel
best doing, what fits your skill set better? Do you
think allows you to, you know, make throws you want
to make read the football field more easily, more comfortably,

(57:20):
And I think Joe Burrow would vote for a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Has Joe Flacco helped the offensive line and if so,
in what ways?

Speaker 4 (57:29):
I think he has, dan And the biggest way is
he gets rid of the damn ball so quickly. I mean,
it is out two and a half seconds. It's if
there's nothing there, it's gone. It's either on the ground,
not intentional grounding, but putting the ball, you know, low
and on the ground where nobody can make a play
on it, you know, Or if he sees an opening occurring,

(57:54):
he'll throw the receiver open. He gets the ball out
so quickly, and he throws the ball so beautifully well
that I do think that he's helped the offensive line
a little bit. I think his fourteen years experience has
helped the offensive line. I think he wants to help
the offensive line a little bit, and the offensive lineman
love him. They love that quick release man. I mean,

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it's a valuable commodity for a quarterback to have that
feels confident and comfortable enough to get the ball out
of his hand as quickly as Joe Flacco does.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Coming up next, the Bengals scored thirty eight against the
Jets and lost. They scored forty two against the Bears
and lost. What's a simple thing, just a simple thing
that they can do on defense to play better this
week against Pittsburgh. We'll hear from linebacker Demetrius Knight with
the answer to that when we continue. You're listening to

(58:49):
the Bengals Pep Brawley Show live from the on the
Ryan Eatery at ESPN fifteen thirty. Welcome back to the
Bengals Pep Rally Show, presented by Just Fair Chicken. Here
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(59:11):
the downtown Kroger at Courton Walnut. Lap and I are
here until five thirty this afternoon, not six half hour
earlier than usual. This week, Bengals kicker Evan McPherson will
be joining us from four thirty to five thirty. He
will be signing a leg lamp. We look forward to
seeing his reaction when the person with the leg lamp

(59:31):
approaches the stage. The Bengals defense is obviously having a
rough year. They're giving up thirty three points a game
that is last in the NFL. It would be the
most in team history. But they've got eight games left
to improve and hopefully with the young players they have
out there, they are going to improve. There have been
some signs of improvement, but obviously they've still got some

(59:52):
big strides to go to reach the point where they
can win games with their defense. Let's hear from one
of their two starting rookie linebackers, Demetrius Knight, on one
very simple thing that they can do better that would help.

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
Yeah, it's just just about doing your win eleven on
the field. Everybody feeling in those tied and critical moments,
Oh I got a strain and make the play. It's
not about making the play. It's about doing your win
eleven and if the play comes to you, then you
make the play. Not just going out of your way
to jump out of your gap in a crucis situation
where you can get off the field or trying to,
you know, overrun someone who's already into in the flat.

(01:00:31):
Just knowing your job, doing the best of your ability,
and knowing that the guy to your left, here, right
in front of you and behind you, he's going to
do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Lap. It's something you talk about a lot. Harvest your
own crop.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
No question, And that's a damn smart rookie right there,
realizing that that's what you gotta do is don't try
to do too much. Your natural reaction on a football field,
if you're a football player and a good football player
is I got to do more. I got to make sure. Man,
my teammate over here is not having a good day.

(01:01:06):
He's made a couple of mistakes, he's hit the wrong gap,
he's not where he's supposed to be when he's supposed
to be there. I gotta go make amends for that.
I got to go make up for it. That's the
worst thing in the world that can happen, and coaches
hate it. Coaches tear their hair out by the roots
when that kind of thing is going on. Coordinators, position coaches, everybody.

(01:01:27):
So that's the one thing that you can't do. You
can't panic. You can't sound the alarm. Just you know,
line up and in the huddle, make a commitment, commitment
to yourself. I'm going to do my job. And that
came from Paul Brown, that that phraseology, that sentence, that saying,
don't try to harvest somebody else's crop. And it makes

(01:01:50):
so much sense. I don't care what era you're talking
about a football, I don't care what level of football
you're talking about. Do your job, don't harve someone else's crop.
Don't try to do someone else's job on top of
your job.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
So since the Bengals last game and since our last show,
they have traded away Logan Wilson to the Dallas Cowboys.
So if the rookie linebackers weren't already you know, the
leaders of this defense, or at least the guys in
the middle, they certainly are now Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter.
They do have a veteran that can help them in
Orrin Burke's played on a Super Bowl champion last year,

(01:02:27):
played on the Super Bowl loser the year before. He's
been in the Super Bowl each of the last two years.
So the guy has some great experience. But man, after that,
it's a bunch of young guys that don't have a
ton of experience. So those live backers, they got to
grow up. They got to grow up fast they do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
I mean it's sink or swim time. You know, you
got you gotta show up. You gotta make plays, You
have to do exactly what you're assigned to do. You
have to have belief that your coaches are gonna put
you in a position to help the football team, help
the football team win games. I I do know that
these young players have a tremendous amount of respect for

(01:03:04):
Al Golden. They saw what he did with Notre Dames defense,
and they were they played such good team defense. You know,
guys are talking about one eleventh. You know, I gotta
I gotta be my one eleventh. Make sure I'm the
one eleventh that everybody's counting on the coaches, the players, everybody.
Don't try to be two elevenths yours and another one
that's not gonna work. That's gonna that's gonna it's gonna be.

(01:03:27):
You're gonna negate, You're gonna race. Uh, you're one eleventh,
so you can go back to ground zero. Do your job. Uh,
it's it's it's it's it's a given, it's a must,
and it always will be in the game of football.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
The Bengals lead the NFL in missed tackles. I did
an interview with Tony Pike earlier this week, and he
did point out something that I hadn't considered. Part of
the reason why they lead the NFL in miss tackles
is that they're in position to make them, which in
a way is a good thing. At least, you know,
guys are not running down the field untouched, right, it's

(01:04:06):
being in a slightly better position to make them.

Speaker 10 (01:04:10):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
It's like you have to go back to your techniques
and fundamentals, and when you are in position, get your
head across the bow, get your helmet in front of
the offensive player. That will curtail his momentum, that will
stop him from moving the football down the football field anymore.

(01:04:32):
And then the thing that they do not do, and
they've done, they've missed so many tackles because wrap your
arms around the ball carrier and take them to the ground.
Wrap them up and take him to the ground. And
we used to do a drill every day before practice
with Paul Brown called the routine tackling drill, and that

(01:04:55):
was actually doing exactly what I just said. You know,
you to guys lineup against each other. The guy goes
on a forty five degree angle carrying a football, and
you put your helmet across the head and helmet across
the bow, wrap your arms up and take him to
the ground. Basic fundamental football Blocking and tackling wins you
football games.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
This week's fun Fact segment coming up next, It's The
Bengals pep Rally Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for
turning into the Bengals pep Rally Show live from the
on the Rhine Eatery here in downtown Cincinnati, Money Mac
Kevin McPherson, we'll be here in about twenty five minutes.

(01:05:39):
He will join us for the final hour of our
three hour Friday afternoon extravagan Money Mack, It's the Bengals
Steelers this Sunday at one o'clock. Right now, Time for
this week's fun Fact segment, presented by Skyline Chili. Time
for some fun facts with tight end Noah fan from Omaha, Nebraska,
the biggest city in Nebraska, give the home of the

(01:06:01):
College World Series Noah. Based on what I've read you're
the youngest of six kids. Is that accurate and what
was that like?

Speaker 14 (01:06:08):
Yeah, I'm definitely definitely the youngest of six, three brothers
and two sisters, and it was a great, great upbringing. Definitely.
My my siblings thought I was a little bit spoiled,
but it was great. I have great relationships with all
of them, so couldn't complain.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It's funny you say that because I'm the fourth of five,
and my older siblings always said, You've got it so easy.
Mom and dad have just kind of given up. They're
letting you do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:06:35):
No, I definitely definitely think there's some of the same.
But my parents were tough on me growing up, but
in a good way, so I was blessed to have them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
One of your older brothers was your high school coach.
Was he tough on you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Uh? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 14 (01:06:49):
I think my brother just wanted the best for me,
wanted me to achieve greatness, and yeah, he was a
big part of my development early on growing up, as
with my dad and my mom, but yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
He was a big part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
You attended Almaha South High School but also took classes
at the University of Nebraska Medical Center while you were
in high school. Tell me about that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:12):
Yeah, the un m C High School Alliance was kind
of a program for high school students to kind of
get a fast track to any any medical profession that
they wanted to get into going into college. So it
was taking college classes out of college at a college
campus and uh, you know, kind of working in and

(01:07:32):
seeing what path we wanted to take.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
When we got into college. So it was a great experience.

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
And I still keep in touch with some of the
people that run that program and have gone back to
visit before, and yeah, I'm just super fortunate to be
able to partake in that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
You dealt with Kidavers, Yeah, what was that like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
You know, it's definitely a unique experience.

Speaker 14 (01:07:52):
Not something that I thought that I would have been
doing that young but uh man, what a cool like
a like cool experis't a blessing for me to be
able to do that at such a young age and
really learn I learned so much in that program and
the classes that I took, So I was super fortunate
to be able to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
In your scouting report coming out of college on NFL
dot com, it said you had an idea of possibly
being a surgeon after playing football. Is that still a
remote possibility in your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I'm not so sure yet.

Speaker 14 (01:08:26):
It's a lot of schooling that I don't have to
go through after playing football in year seven, So we'll
see how it plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
But not shutting in any doors.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
We're visiting with Noah Fat. When it came time to
pick a college, you chose the school with the reputation
of being tight end you Iowa, Dallas Clark, George kittle,
TJ Howkinson, Sam Laporta, Ralf from the Bengals, and others.
How do you explain that lineage of great tight ends?

Speaker 14 (01:08:52):
Yeah, I think that just like when I was going
to Iowa, the guys that were kind of there before
me were like Dallas car Tony Mulaki, I think, Scott Chandler,
guys of that nature that had been there before and
had made it to the NFL, and it was just
kind of one of those things that was that was

(01:09:14):
a selling point that if I wanted to play tight
end in a in an offense that used the tight
end quite often, that I wanted to be able to
do that and go and go there. And obviously my
freshman year was Georgia's senior year and then after that
it's just been pumping out tight ends, uh, definitely more
frequently ever since. So it's been It's been a really
cool experience to be a part of, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Is it almost like a self fulfilling prophecy where the
best high school tight ends in the country gravitate to
Iowa and then it's almost destiny that they're going to
turn out to be pros.

Speaker 14 (01:09:45):
You know, honestly, I think that I wouldn't necessarily say
the best, like the best top recruits that tight end
really go to Iowa. I think Iowa does a really
good job of identifying guys that have the trades and
then developing them. Like when I was coming out of
high school, I was a three star atta fleet out
of Nebraska. I had like fifteen offers from different schools,
but wasn't like a top recruited five star tight end

(01:10:08):
coming out of out of high school. So they do
a great job of identifying guys with those traits and
developing them into a all around tight end. So that
was something I was I was really proud of going
there and being a part of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
After three years with the Hawkeyes, you entered the draft
and were selected in the first round twentieth overall by Denver.
Describe your draft night experience.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, it was a great experience.

Speaker 14 (01:10:32):
I mean, obviously it was waiting a little bit twenty
picks in, but it wasn't complaining at all. It was
just like a very stressful situation. But what a cool
experience for me and my family being there all together
in the green room and getting that call from Denver
at the time, and it was it was a surreal moment,
So really cool experience for me and my family.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
You had three good years in Denver, you probably expected
to be there for a long long time, and then
the Broncos pulled off a blockbuster trade for Russell Wilson,
giving up multiple high draft picks and yourself in that deal.
Did you have any inkling that you might be traded
or was it a total shock?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
No, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:11:11):
I was pretty shocked, to be honest with you. Hindsight
twenty twenty. Obviously, I'll understand, right, it's like you get
your shot at a franchise quarterback at the time that
you think it is your franchise quarterback and you're gonna
do whatever. You know you're not going to hold back
a tight end to for that deal, you know what
I'm saying. So I understood, I understood it. I was
definitely shocked and taken it back by it. Some would

(01:11:33):
say blindsided, but like, man, it was such crazy experience,
and obviously was traded to Seattle and had some good
years there, but uh, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
It was definitely wild, a wild experience for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
So three years in Denver, three years in Seattle, and
then earlier this year they let you go kind of
in a salary cap dump type situation. But it did
give you the opportunity affinity to choose for the first
time since you were in high school. Did you enjoy that?

Speaker 14 (01:12:03):
It was a very interesting experience because it was I
supposed to choosing thing, but at a time that was
very late in the process, and you know, people had
already really had the roster set and things of that nature.
So yeah, it was nice to choose, I suppose, but like,
wasn't an ideal situation that late in the game, which

(01:12:26):
is kind of a little frustrating. But yes, I was
happy to be able to land in Cincinnati. What a
great place for me to land that with coach Taylor
and and pitch and and James Casey is a great,
great Titans coach. I've been really really fortunate to be
able to work with them and be in a good

(01:12:47):
situation here. So it ended up working out, but obviously
it was definitely a process to get there for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
All Right, a few wild card topics now for Bengals
tight end Noah Fan Who is your all time favorite
athlete in any sport?

Speaker 14 (01:13:03):
I would say Michael Jordan. I wasn't old enough to
like see him in his prime, but just like the
greatness of him and the championships that he's won that
is all of his highlights.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
He's just an iconic player.

Speaker 14 (01:13:15):
Whenever someone mentions like a goat of a sport, it's
like he automatically comes up. He's definitely a polarizing player
that not only changed the game, but changed really just
like the world kind of honestly, He's like he was
a world known athlete. So it was like, what a
cool what a cool experience, like experience to be able
to see but unfortunately I wasn't able to see it,

(01:13:36):
But what a cool experience to like be able to
go back and watch those highlights and experience that greatness so,
and he made.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
It okay for people like me to be bald. Yeah,
you've spent seven years in the NFL, You've done well financially.
What do you like to splur John, Food?

Speaker 14 (01:13:53):
That's like, that's one of the things that I'll like
pay a good a good dollar for. Is like a
just a really good meal, especially like with friends and families,
which is which is one of the things that I
value very much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
So food is definitely one of those things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Big fancy steakhouse are something more eclectic and foodie either one.

Speaker 14 (01:14:12):
I'm I'm a pretty wide range guy that'll that'll like
have anything to eat, And honestly, it's a it's just
a what's the choice of the day, honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
So other than sports, do you have any hidden talents?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I don't know about hidden talents.

Speaker 14 (01:14:28):
I just kind of I try to view myself as
like a like a pretty multifaceted guy, Like I just
like a lot of different things. I do a lot
of different things, and I don't think there's just one
one singular thing that I'm like super talented at though.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
All right, final fun fact for Noah, this one's kind
of deep. If you could meet anybody in history living
or deceased. Who would that person be.

Speaker 14 (01:14:56):
I would want to meet my my dad, my dad's dad.
He passed away when my dad was very young, so
it had been my grandpa, but I never got to
meet him. But I definitely wouldn't want to met him
and just kind of talk to him and see what
he see how he viewed life, see how he viewed everything.
Obviously my dad didn't wasn't able to have those those

(01:15:21):
moments with him very long, But yeah, I think those
would be some really cool conversations to see what he thought.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
No doubt about it. No, I appreciate your time, best
of luck the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Thank you. Appreciate it all right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
That was fun Facts with tight end Noah Fan, great
job Dan, now, thank you. When the Bengals signed him,
we thought there was going to be the opportunity for
some great two tight end packages with no and Mike
is Sicky. Fortunately, Mike got hurt early this year with
a pectoral injury, but his four week window for where
he has to be out is about to run out
and he could be back soon. It sounds like he's

(01:15:54):
recovering well from that pectoral injury.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
That's good, and he is a He is a weapon.

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I think back in the day, teams that could run
two tight end package were formidable because it just balances
everything out, you know. I mean, the defense can't really
have a pre snap read in terms of where's the
strength of the formation, where might they go, Where's strong
side weak side? Kind of distorts all of that. So

(01:16:20):
having multiple tight ends on your roster that are capable
and can go out there and play at a high
level and help you win football games is a great
luxury in today's NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
All right, Coming up next, we know that Joe Burrow
is back at practice. The question is should he play
this year regardless of the Bengals record. We'll discuss that
when we come back. You're listening to the Bengals pep
Rally Show live for the on the Ride Eatery here
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(01:17:12):
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(01:17:33):
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(01:17:55):
a very pleasant surprise at the beginning of this week
on Monday, when we saw Joe Burrow back at practice,
albeit on a limited basis, which is to be expected
coming back from his toe injury. But the prognosis when
he suffered the injury was that it was a three
month recovery. He was practicing again in less than two months.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
And that's that's Joe Burrow. That's what he's all about.
He's all about, you know, if somebody says you can't
do it, and I'll show you. I'll show you I
can do it, and I'm gonna go do it. Uber
competitive man, he really is. I mean if if if
people say it's unreachable, he's going to reach for it

(01:18:37):
and he's gonna get get grab it, He's going to
get it. I think that he plays this this week
coming up. I think there's a strong chance anyway, not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
This week, not Sunday against Pittsburgh, the following, Okay, the
home game against New England. You think that's passed.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
The Patriots game, I think is possible. I'd love to
see you play this Sunday, But I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Know he's out for this week because of the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Number of days. You've got twenty one days and he
hasn't served that sentence. Hyeit, but I mean he is
a guy that is I'm gonna do it on my schedule.
I don't care what you think. Your opinion is your opinion.
I know what I can do I know what my
body can do. And you know he takes care of himself.

(01:19:27):
I mean the guys in unbelievable shape, the conditioning that
he goes through, and unfortunately he's been doing a rehab
and conditioning way too much the last few years. But
I mean this guy, he works hard. He works in
the weight room hard overall body. I mean his quads,
his hamstrings, his calves, his pectoral, his delta, everything is

(01:19:51):
strong on him and he's put on about i'd say
a good fifteen pounds of muscle.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Dan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
When you look at him walk into a room, it's like, man,
this guy's substantial. Now you know he's put together and
he certainly hasn't affected him negatively in terms of how
he's throwing the football. He is a beautiful thrower of the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Football, no doubt. As I said earlier, I was surprised
to see him on the practice field on Monday. I
was not alone. Let's hear from Jamar Chase and T Higgins.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
I didn't know he was practicing. I was surprised. I
just seen him putting stuff on. I didn't know what's
going on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Yeah, he caught. I came in the locker room and
he was like, you see now. I was like, well
he doing He was like, he's practicing. I was like, oh,
it's not so. He caught me off guard too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
I think his personality makes him unique. The way he
approaches the game makes him crazy. How much he loves
the game makes him crazy. That's how much passion he
has behind it. And nothing's wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
He just wants to win. And you know you need
people around you like that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
All right, lap, Let's get to the big debate that's
going on right now among Bengals fans. The Bengals are
three and six. Yeah, if they win in Pittsburgh this week,
they are still in the hunt right to win the
AFC North. If they don't, it is a real long shot.
Although I guess if Baltimore loses this week, maybe they've

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still got a pulse. But anyway, should wins and losses
matter or should Joe Burrow come back at some point
this year regardless of what the Bengals record is?

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Yeah, I mean that's a matter of opinion. I'm sure
Bengal fans would be Look, if don't win this week,
three and seven, the odds of turning it around and
having a potential playoff season are almost nil. But Joe
doesn't look at it that way. Joe looks at he

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lives to play football. I mean, he eats, sleeps, and
drinks football. He's football twenty four to seven, seven days
a week, three undred and sixty five days a year,
and twelve months a year. It's just the way he's built,
the way he's uh, he's put together. You know. I
think he wants to see where he is, and I

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think he wants to evaluate physical He'll want to play
absolutely and you know, and compete against the best at
the highest level for as many games as you possibly can.
It's uh, it's it's what makes him get up in
the morning, man. It's what makes him tick, makes us
heart kicking, makes everything tick.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I'll be honest. My feelings on this subjective changed. So
during the early stages of his recovery, I thought, all right,
if he can come back and the Bengals still have
a chance to make the playoffs, you'd certainly want him
in the playoffs if he was healthy. So I was
kind of thinking, it's going to depend on the record.
Now that he's practicing and could conceivably come back with

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four games left, right, five games left something like that.
I'd play him because A it's his belief that you
can always gain something from playing. You can learn something,
you can develop timing and you know, chemistry with your
receiving targets. It means something to him to show that

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he can come back this year. It means something to
him to show that his teammates, show to his teammates
that it's important enough for him to come back this year.
So my feeling has changed from only bring him back
if it's important too. If the doctors say the toe
is not at risk and he wants to play, let
him play.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
I agree. And I mean everybody in the division has
four losses, you know, I mean four losses or more? Yeah,
four losses and more so. I mean, if the Bengals
knock off the Pittsburgh Steelers again and they fall, they're closer,
They're closer to where the Cincinnati Bengals are. And I

(01:23:56):
just I feel like, no matter what if the if
the division is within grasp and there's a month of
playing the season, he's gonna want to go after it
tooth and nail. He's gonna go want to go after
it one hundred and I think the more snaps he gets.
The more reps he gets under his belt, the more

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confident he's going to be, the more comfortable he's going
to feel, and the better he's gonna play.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Naturally, if the Bengals are out of it and he plays,
you open yourself up to the biggest second gesh of
all time. Should another injury happen. Yep, that would be
the risk. But that's football. So are you gonna put
him in bubble wrap forever?

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
You know, when he feels healthy and ready to go,
I don't think he can do that. This is what
he does. If he feels healthy and back in a
good practice groove, wants to play, and feels like he's
ready to play, then he's a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
You got to play. Yeah. This is who he is,
This is what he wants to be. This is what
he's chosen as a profession in his adult life, and
he's great at it. And uh, you know he he's
going to be able to put up significant numbers. He
always does. I mean, when Joe Burrow plays, he rings
him up, He rings up numbers, and he's not playing

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to pat his stats. That's not what I'm saying, and
that's not what is in his mind, he's playing to
win football games for the Cincinnati Bengals. Uh, there's no
question about it. That's what his mo is. But man,
I think, I think when he when all said and done,
when he's done playing the game of football, he's going
to have numbers at the quarterback position, yards, touchdowns, uist, interceptions.

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He's going to be the leader across the board. I
think he's got that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Kind of ability, kind of like those Aaron Rodgers numbers
who have given earlier sixty four thousand yards crazy five
and twenty one touchdown passes and twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
One touchdown passes. That's absurd, man, that's crazy, it really is.
I mean, mind buggling.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Aaron Rodgers will take on the Bengals for the sixth
time in his career this Sunday at one o'clock. The
Bengals do have a winning record against him. They're three
and two in the previous five games. They've come up
with quite a few interceptions in those games. Aaron Rodgers
historically has not thrown many in his NFL career, but
in five career games against Cincinnati, he's thrown six interceptions,

(01:26:27):
including two in Game one earlier this year. Won by
Jordan Battle and one by DJ Turner. All Right, two
hours just about in the books. One hour to go.
Our special guest is here. Will take a time out,
We'll come back and we will introduce Bengals kicker Kevin McPherson.

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Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Money Mack is ready. He takes a deep breath, waits
for the long snap back to Rico. Rico puts it
down to kick his up.

Speaker 15 (01:27:32):
It is good, gosh, and the Bengals have a two
point lead with seven seconds left on the clock.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
Nice gotta love it. Joe Flacco, Welcome to Cincinnati, my man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
All right, that's how it sounded almost exactly a month ago.
The last time the Bengals beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati
winning on a field goal with seven seconds to go
by Evan McPherson thirty three to thirty one. And that
makes our special guest this afternoon here at the on
the Ryan Eatery very appropriate. We are joined by the
guy that made that kick, one of eight game winners

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in his Bengals career. Money back, Evan McPherson, Welcome to
the show. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
Yeah, it's always fun to get to do a show
with y'all. We appreciate time very much, much self time
worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Thank you. Let's turn the clock back to that game.
It was an interesting one because with less than a
minute to go, that was the game that featured this
unselfish t Higgins slide when he could have run in
for the go ahead touchdown, but given the Steelers more
time to potentially come back. Instead, he goes into the slide.
But once he did that, then all the pressure shifts

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to you.

Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Yeah, you know, that was a really unselfish play by
team because he definitely could have easily walked into the
end zone. But I mean, you got to realize who's
on the other side. Of the field. One of the
best to ever do it out of Aaron Rodgers. And
he's got a good receiving core and group there and
really dangerous team. And so you're taught, and we're taught
as a team to be unselfish in times like that

(01:29:07):
and set the team up for success. And this really
unselfish play by Tea And as soon as he did it,
I knew kind of what we were going to do.
Set up for the last second field goal. It's a
it's a make or break and win a loss, and
those are always a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
Darren Simmons, Yes, it has been your special teams coach your
entire career in the National Football League. In my opinion,
he's the best in the business, the best at any level. Yeah,
of football. You're with him basically every day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
What makes Darren Simmons special? What separates him from the
pack man?

Speaker 10 (01:29:41):
He he's a nitpicker. He'll yep, if I'm not making
field goals down the center of the uprights, he'll give
it to me. Even if they're going in, he'll say
it's not good enough. Then you go down the center.
And he's like that with everybody on the team. If
you're doing your job correctly, he's gonna find a weak

(01:30:03):
point that you have and he's gonna tell you that
you need to work on it. So I think just
his attention to detail is probably above the rest, I
would say. So, I feel like his attention to detail
and his willingness to not just kind of tell you
what you want to hear, but tell you what you
need to hear is kind of what sets him apart.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
In that Pittsburgh game where you hit the game winner,
I remember looking down toward the field before the game.
So it's a Thursday night game against the Steelers, and
there had to be twenty guys, thirty guys, like thirty
grown men wearing yeah McPherson jerseys. Who was that group?

Speaker 10 (01:30:42):
Yeah, So there's a small group I'm part of, been
a part of for about three and a half years.
And it's a group of twelve guys that we got
together through crossroads, you know, just kind of a group
that I was thrust it into, invited into, and they've
been great for I feel like development off the field,
em just in my relationship with God and just my

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relationship outside of football. I can go to them with
any issues anything I'm feeling struggling with. And they've been
a real important part of this journey in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
So there, it wasn't quite as big as I thought
from looking down there. But twelve guys yep, wearing your
jerseys that you befriended through the Crossrooms church.

Speaker 10 (01:31:24):
Yeah, it's been great. We meet every Monday night. Well
I say every Monday night, Monday nights every whenever we
all can, but it's usually every Monday night, if not
every other. But yeah, we just get together, talk about life,
talk about the Bible, just kind of bounced off off

(01:31:44):
each other, and any struggles that we have in our life,
we talk about it. And there's a lot of wise
men in that in that room that are older than
us and have been through a lot of situations, so
they're good to kind of learn from. And had breakfast
with the Leader this morning, so.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
That ye great that they could be there for that
particular night. The way it ended.

Speaker 10 (01:32:03):
We always me and the Leader will always talk like strategy,
What game should the guys come to? And I always
tell people you need to come to a night game
at Paykor Stadium because I think the fans show up
and show out for those for those games, and I
always enjoy night games, so I always tell people to
come to those.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
So, what's the longest field goal you've made? Sixty one
for the Bengals?

Speaker 10 (01:32:26):
Sixty on unofficial? Yeah, yeah, yeah, in a game when
the unofficial didn't count.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Yeah, give us stat first.

Speaker 10 (01:32:35):
Yeah, the sixty seven in Green Bay obviously went in,
didn't count.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
The time out actually the timeout was yeah right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Yeah, yeah, all the time out to nullify it.

Speaker 10 (01:32:44):
But yeah, I think the longest field going franchise history,
right is fifty nine?

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Correct? Somebody won a gift card for eventually guessing that
events earlier that we went through every number in the
spectrum from about fifty five to seventy before we have
actually got the correct fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:33:02):
Yeah, I remember that one vividly right Week one against Pittsburgh.
I think it was. Was it my first field goal
to open the season the second year, right, first field
goal my second year? Yeah, I hit it really well,
game didn't and how how i'd like it to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
That's the one where you lost your long snapper, correct,
Harris yep, and poor Mitchell Wilcott tight end gets thrussed
in there trying to long snap and actually did. Yeah,
but you know that's a hard thing to do when
that's not your job.

Speaker 10 (01:33:35):
It is, yeah, because we have guys that we also
like obviously prepare for the worst of the situations and
so like we have backup holders. Charlie Jones is our
backup holder, and once a week he'll get a rep
and he's like, if I get into a game, I'm
gonna be He's like, I don't care about kickoff, kickoff return,
punt return. My sole focus is going to be on holding,

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and I'm gonna be terrified for my life. He's like,
that is the most stressful thing that I've ever.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Done in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Is Tanner Hudson your emergency long snamp?

Speaker 10 (01:34:06):
Yep? Yeah, yeah, Tanner. So they both get a wrap
once a week just to make sure that you know,
you brush up on it and you're never surprised whenever
that kind of comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
So is what what is when you when you make
a try attempting these long field goals a game winner.
You know you're down a point or two points and
you have to make this this long, monstrous field goal
to win the game. What what goes through your head
is it. Is it the mental part of the techniques

(01:34:39):
fundamentals that you've worked throughout the entire week, your legs swing,
all the mechanics and all that, or is it like
all right, deep breath, calm down, let me just get
myself composed. What do you what do you think about? More?

Speaker 10 (01:34:51):
I just try to kind of keep myself calm and
keep myself from having negative thoughts as you've probably experience,
Like the mind is is your biggest enemy. Yeah, and
for whatever reason, in those big spots, like your mind
just wants to flip to like, oh, well, what happens
if I don't make this? Like and you just kind

(01:35:14):
of have that run through your head. So for me recently,
it's just running through my head the scenario of what
happens when I make it and seeing that ball go
through the uprights before I even step out on the field,
and I'm just telling myself, you know, you got this,
You've done it in a million times, to just go
out there and do it one more. And just the
whole visualization of just seeing that ball go through the
uprights in my head and then just kind of reacting

(01:35:36):
to that right to what I see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
So in your rookie year when you made five lockoff
game winners for very first NFL game, you made one
Amsy Championship game, you made one. We'll hear that later
on the show. Were you like too young and naive
at that point to even have any negative thoughts?

Speaker 10 (01:35:52):
I guess so, because I go back and think about
that year. I definitely struggled mentally there for a little bit,
like middle of the season, and then for whatever reason,
I came out of it on the other side and
later in the season, and it's kind of expresses like
you just kind of blacked out and don't remember much
and don't remember what I was thinking in those moments.

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I was just kind of going out there and reacting
and just kind of letting letting loose and just swinging,
swinging away.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
You know, people, I think a lot of times don't
give kickers the credit for the athlete that they are,
because in Bengals history, the kickers, I mean, I had
a teammate, Jim Breach, unbelievable athlete. Jim Breach was like
All City, All State in football, basketball, and baseball. You know,

(01:36:41):
I mean, point guard in basketball, shortstop baseball, hell of
a golfer. He has the hell out of the golf ball.
He's amazing and a lot of Doug Pelfy in the
same way. Pelsa hell of an athlete. And how about you,
what's sports would you excel at besides just kicking the football?

Speaker 10 (01:37:00):
I mean, I grew up playing I feel like all
the sports I stopped, soccer was my main sport. I
stopped playing baseball when I was twelve, and then basketball
in eighth grade, but I stuck with soccer for the
most part, and we won a state championship my freshman
year of high school. So that's kind of my My
big success in high school is the state championship in

(01:37:21):
soccer and then one I feel like state titles, like
in travel soccer. Uh, it was like Division two, so
it was like redbind Division one. We went to Division
one for like one year and it was just a
whole different level. Yeah, so, but we wanted a few
state titles in Division two soccer and travel years from
like seven to i'd say thirteen to fourteen. Yeah, but yeah,

(01:37:47):
so soccer. I was pretty good at golf. I'm getting
better at every year, you know, trying to do yeah,
trying to get better.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Yeah, so am I it's only been fifty years trying.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Let me ask you out watching you, uh, in practice
on the on the foot, on the field in warm
ups before games, you'll have like a bottle or a
can of some sort of beverage or whatever. Yeah, that
that your your leg swing is like right in front
of it by like the centimeters, you know, half an
inch or an inch. Yeah, what what are you doing there?

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You're just trying to groove your swing or your leg.

Speaker 10 (01:38:22):
Yeah. You know a lot of people picked out uh
kind of that drill that I'm doing. And it's a
simple one that I started, like back whenever I was
going through the draft process. So with my plant foot,
my left foot, I'll get into a situation where it
can get a little too close to the ball and
I'm a little pigeon toed, so to be kind of
pointing right and then it'll make me like swing around

(01:38:42):
it and go get around the ball and pull it.
And it's just super inconsistent. And so I kind of
hurt my ankle a little bit back in May, and
then it was forcing me to protect it kind of
be a little more pigeon toed. And so throughout the
summer and the more my ankle got stronger and felt
better about it. I started using this ball. I remember

(01:39:03):
what the drills that I did through the draft process
and what helped my plant foot kind of stay straight
down the field and wide enough away from the ball
so I can have consistent ball contact. And so that's
what it is. It's just kind of like a drill
that I'll use to kind of get my plant foot
in the right spot. And so whenever I'm out in

(01:39:23):
the field, it's kind of the same thing. Like I
don't really think about it with all that training that
I'm doing. My body just kind of reacts and.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Does it all right, We need to take a time out.
Evan McPherson is our special guest. He'll be here until
five thirty today. We're live at the On the Rhine Eatery,
the food hall above the downtown Kroger at Court and Walnut.
At ESPN fifteen thirty, we are back on the Bengals
pep Rally Show presented by Just Bear Chicken. We're live

(01:39:55):
at the On the Rhine Eatery here in downtown Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Normally our special guests signed during the commercial breaks, but
we are extending that a little bit right now because
money Mack Evin McPherson is signing a leg, not an
actual leg like a leg lamp. It is a mannequin's
leg with a light bulb attachment on the top and
a white kicking shoe. Is that the first one of

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those you've signed?

Speaker 10 (01:40:24):
I don't know if it's to your surprise, but it's
it's not about that. Yeah, I probably, I don't know,
maybe around ten ten. A lot of people have those.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
That is hysterical.

Speaker 10 (01:40:37):
It is funny because the first one I saw is
like somebody's like, do you know what this is? You
know it's from?

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Is it Chrischristmas Story? Christmas Story?

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
So I had a lamp before, but I.

Speaker 10 (01:40:48):
Don't think I really watched the movie, so I understood
what it was and I think it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, that is That is definitely the best autograph item
we have seen on this show so far. Here, what
is the most unusual thing you've signed? Have you signed
like baby's heads or anything?

Speaker 10 (01:41:04):
Or I mean I've signed a few babies like clothes
signed while they were wearing it's a Yeah, it was
kind of strange, and I feel like if you guys
have done this as well, like there's somebody at training
camp that's a prosthetic leg that they will take.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Off okay and give it to you to sign.

Speaker 10 (01:41:24):
And then I know there's one lady that has like
a little orange car car. Yeah, everybody signs, so it's
pretty strange. But yeah, I say, a prosthetic leg is
probably the strangest thing that I've signed.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Strangest thing I've signed. Yeah, where it's panties. Well it
was at a show.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Hopefully they were not No, no, she didn't take.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
Them off for anything. Sign. Yeah, they didn't go through
the washers, dryer. But another parent it's like these they're
very nice. I'm so glad.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
I asked, all right, we need to take another quick
time out more with money Mack Kevin McPherson in Just
a Moment here at ESPN in fifteen thirty, Dan Orden,
Dave Lap I'm back at the on the Ryan Eatery
here at downtown Cincinnati. It's the Bengals pep Rawley Show

(01:42:22):
presented by just Paar Chicken. Our engineer is Mike Mills.
Drew Wester. Heidi is back in the studio. Nicky Growl
is helping us out with the autographs. Today we appreciate
everybody involved with this show, and we obviously appreciate our
special guest Evin McPherson with us for the final hour. Today,
Let's hear from Special Teams coordinator Darren Simmons on Money Mack.

Speaker 16 (01:42:45):
I've learned to not worry a lot about things with
him that he'll.

Speaker 10 (01:42:51):
Get it figured out.

Speaker 16 (01:42:52):
He's very, very very strong mentally. He's really really mature
and understands a great deal about being a kicker and
what it means to be an effective kicker in crunch time.
So I never ever worry about him in critical spots.
He thrives in situations like that because he's so competitive.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
I agree, we never worry about you and those critical
spots almost every time you were able to deliver. Here's
my question for you. Darren Simmons was a college punter,
so he's got some experience kind of in the kicking world.
But who taught you? Were you self taught largely? Did
you have a kicking guru from an early age? How
did you learn to do this?

Speaker 10 (01:43:32):
I feel like early on it was a lot of
self taught YouTube Definitely. My older brother was the one
that tried it out first, and so whenever he tried
out for the football team and made it and started
kicking as me and my younger brother were just in
the front yard just kicking footballs. Didn't really know how
we knew how to kick a soccer ball, so we

(01:43:53):
just kind of implemented that and watched a lot of
YouTube videos to start, and then we started going to
bi weekly. This guy like an hour and a half away,
his name is Mike McCabe. One on one kicking. That's
where we started, Uh, just kind of like one on
one training and then with the camp series and trying
to get exposure and rankings, like we would go to

(01:44:14):
Cole's Kicking and that's kind of who I stick to now.
Jamie Cole is the head of that and he's just
fantastic human being, a great person personally for me to
just kind of reach out to and talk to every
now and then. And we get together once a year,
uh probably about twenty of us like kickers, punters, long snappers,

(01:44:36):
and Gatlinburg once a year and we just kind of
get together kick.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
College people.

Speaker 10 (01:44:42):
Yeah, so they have like a huge weekend NFL will
be I think it's Wednesday Thursday. NFL guys will come
and kick and then call it or now Tuesday, Wednesday
will be NFL Thursday, Friday's College and then Saturday Sunday
is there big high school camp. And so they just
make a big week out of it in Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

(01:45:04):
And so you have your slots, but it's always fun
just together like with other NFL guys, with Jamie and
his staff, they've they've got a great staff. They don't
they care about you as a player, but more important,
they care about you as a person. And that's kind
of why I graduate kind of favored them more than
the others, is just because the way they had treated

(01:45:27):
me off the field, and they were They've always been
great to me, great to my family, and I will
forever be in debt for for the work that they
put in to get me recruited and get me looked at.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
So Kickers are great athletes. You know, we talked about
it a little bit. Preach. Preach was unbelievable athlete in
high school, All state, All City, all state basketball player,
football player, baseball player.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
I'm not sure if you played soccer or not, but
I mean he played as many sports as you could play.
Were you of that same mindset? Did you probably everything
when you were younger.

Speaker 10 (01:46:05):
Yeah, definitely tried everything whenever I was younger, but in
high school, mainly for me, it was just soccer, football,
you know. It didn't really golf as much as I
do now. You man, I've got a core group of friends.
It's probably make up of a like five to seven
guys that will come up to one one game of year.
And I started playing soccer with them whenever I was

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like seven, and we played all the way through throughout
high school with and so you know, I still talk
to them on a daily basis, and they're some of
my biggest fans, and so I love just keeping that
relate those relationships, those those are big for me and
just being back from home. It's always good to see
him whever they get to come up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Who are your closest buddies in the kicking fraternity?

Speaker 10 (01:46:49):
Closest buddies in the kids like that? That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:46:52):
So my best friend I met him. It was eighth grade.
I think it was eighth grade camp. One of the
first I met him, name is Jake Kmarta. He's a
punter from Norcross, Georgia, and I got injured at this camp,
and I was pretty upset that I didn't perform the
way I wanted to. And he was the only guy

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that came up to me after the camp when I
was visibly upset and asked me how I was doing.
And from that point on, we just kind of started
following each other on Instagram. And he had a girlfriend
at the time, I had my wife. We were dating
at the time, and we would just take turns kind
of visiting each other, double dating at top golf and
going out to dinner together. And that's just kind of
blossomed into where I mean, I facetimed him today, so

(01:47:37):
we talked daily. You could ask both of our wives
if they're annoyed by it, So I would say he's
my closest friend. He was with the Bucks for two
and a half years and then short stint with the Bills,
and now he's he's on the streets right now but
looking to get another opportunity. But other kickers, I mean

(01:47:59):
Cam Little, that's a record holder, Yeah, new record holder.
So you know, if if the record would account, it
wouldn't stood.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
For long, that's right. So just to explain for people
wondering what I'm talking about you attempted a sixty seven
yarder against Green Bay. First try was good, the coach
called the time out. Yep, second try was a little
bit short. That would have been the NFL record. But
then a couple of weeks later, your friend cam Little
made a sixty eight yarder for Jacksonville and that's now

(01:48:26):
the new NFL record. It is.

Speaker 10 (01:48:27):
So we'll see if he gets broken, but yeah, him,
they're punter. Logan Cook. He was at Missippi State whenever
I was getting recruited there, so I built a relationship
with him, and I mean from there, I feel like
a lot of the guys in the NFL were good
friends with Obviously Eddie Pinero, he was at Florida right
before I got there. Thomas Morestead at San Francisco. He's

(01:48:48):
always at the Coles camps in Gallinburg. He's a great mentor.
He got Austin McNamara in with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
He was here a brief teammate.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:48:59):
He's really good dude. And I'm sure I could name
play somebody from each team. I feel like I have
a pretty good relationship with all.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Right, we're gonna take a time out when we come
back we'll turn the clock back to perhaps the most
important kick in Cincinnati Bengals history. This is the Bengals
pep Rally Show presented by Just Fair Chicken. We're live
at the on the Rhyin Eatery here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

(01:49:34):
final half hour The Bengals pep Rally Show presented by
Just Faired Chicken. We are live at the on the
Rhine Eatery. It is our Friday afternoon home for this show.
It's been great this year. If you haven't been down
to join us, what are you waiting for? We're here
every Friday, usually three to six. This week two thirty
to five thirty. Next week again it'll be two thirty
to five thirty. Great food options here. There's a bar,

(01:49:57):
there's a ton of seating. It's all free unless you
just to get something to eat or drink. Bengals players
join us every week. They're kind enough to sign autographs
and take pictures. Just has Moneymack has been doing today
our friend Bengals kicker Evan McPherson. Prior to the commercial break,
I promised we would listen in to perhaps the most
significant kick in Cincinnati Bengals history. So let's turn the

(01:50:20):
clock back. It is the AFC Championship game against Kansas
City in the twenty twenty one season. After falling behind
twenty one to three, the Bengals come roaring back and
the game in overtime came down to this. Four years ago,
he was a senior in high school in tiny Fort Payne, Alabama.
Now the Bengals Super Bowl chances rest on his right foot.

(01:50:43):
The kick is up, yeh ye.

Speaker 15 (01:50:46):
Good coffin nows bam, bam bam.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
That is unba believable. The Cincinnati Bengals come from behind
on the road. Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Dan, It is no fluke, it is a fact.

Speaker 15 (01:51:07):
The Cincinnati Bengals are headed to Super Bowl fifty six.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Gives me chills. Yeah, thinking back to that moment. Yeah yeah,
hair is raising on my arm. Thank you for that memory.

Speaker 10 (01:51:22):
We appreciate shit. You know what it fit really well
right there is it wasn't an upset.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
You like that line so earlier this year, you see,
had a big victory when they were an underdog, and
I said, it's not an upset, it's an uprising. And
he found me like two days later. That was a
great line. So thank you, Thank you for listening. Appreciate it,
of course.

Speaker 10 (01:51:46):
But yeah, that one that day special. I definitely remember
it for the rest of my life. My parents are there,
my family was there. I feel like just the only
person I wish would have been there was my wife.
We were dating at the time, and she was unable
to make it. She was still in college.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
But she go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 10 (01:52:09):
She did Okay, Yeah, at the Super Bowl is where
she decided that she was going to graduate early and
we were going to get married. So well, we were engaged.
I shall say that we moved our wedding date up
because she decided to leave so early.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
So and you were both able to watch the halftime show.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
We both were goe. I reminded Darren of that. Not
a couple of days ago. I think there was like
a Doctor Dre's song on and I was like, I
got to see him in concert. He was like, oh, yeah,
when was that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
So you're coming off your bye week and basically during
this time period you lost one of your closest friends
off the roster. You haven't lost him as a friend,
but you and Logan Wilson were tight, Your wives were tight,
Your daughters were born at basically the same time.

Speaker 10 (01:53:00):
Was that tough for you, Yeah, you know, it's tough
to seeing a good friend like Logan go. But I
feel like, like I've said, I feel like we're still
gonna stay in touch obviously, because I feel like of
how close our friendship is. You know, it sucks that
I'm not gonna get to see him day to day,
but you know, I can always keep in touch with him.
I know our wives will more than likely text every

(01:53:22):
single day just to keep up and see how each
other are doing. But I feel like I'm more sad
for our daughters. They really did enjoy spending time together,
and Morgan and Cambry, their daughter, actually spent the night
with us last week before they flew out because their
home was gutted into they needed a bed to sleep

(01:53:43):
in one last night, and so we had them over
and the girls got to play together and fight for
a few hours, and they fight like sisters and they're
hilarious together.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Refresh my memory. Were your wives like an adjacent hospital
rooms or something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:53:59):
Yeah, the thing was me and my wife got there
March fourteenth, and we had our daughter at like four
point thirty seven on the fifteenth am and then Logan
and his wife came in that afternoon and had their
daughter and so on the recovery floor we shared a wall.
That's crazy and that was kind of wild. And then

(01:54:21):
they came in a few days I think the next
day and introduced everybody. Everybody got to see each other
and it was a fun experience.

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
Yeah, you're gonna have fun when you guys have your reunions.
And yeah, ten or fifteen years down the road, it's like, oh, yeah, gee,
what's so Oh he got into uh investment world and
he's a multi gazillionaire now. And you know, I think
that this football team has a bunch of guys that
are really smart, you know, I mean, yeah, very smart

(01:54:53):
raw football raw IQ and then football IQ as well.
It's gonna be really interesting with some of these guys
do down the road.

Speaker 10 (01:55:00):
Yeah, you know, that's always the fun thing is like
what to do after football? Right, everybody's got their their
thing that they're interested in. And we've got a few
different ones that you wouldn't even think about, like with
Marco Wilson in his fashion he's got his own clothing brand,
and yeah, long snapper Will Wagner, he majored in he's

(01:55:21):
a it's an engineering guy, isn't Yeah, what is it mechanical?
I don't know if he's a mechanical engineer, but yeah,
he got his engineering degree. And if you maybe, if
you talk to him, wouldn't even believe it. I get
a hard time, but yeah, you know, we got a
lot of unique guys on this team, a lot of

(01:55:42):
good guys, and we all have our little special skills,
right right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
So the big news of this week was Joe Burrow's
return to practice on a limited basis on Monday. We
heard earlier on this show that Jamar Chase and t Higgins,
two of his closest buddies, didn't even know he was
kind of back. What about you?

Speaker 10 (01:56:02):
Uh, you know, you can't can't reveal too many, too
many sources, But I mean I had an idea of
what he was looking at to kind of get back to.
But I can tell you if you didn't ask, you
were not gonna know, because you know, Joe's not the
guy that's going to tell you face to face like
what he's thinking about. But fiig, you're gonna have to

(01:56:24):
go out and ask. And so I had an idea
of whenever he wanted to return. But I can definitely
see where some guys are like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
What's your practice today.

Speaker 10 (01:56:34):
But it's impressive to see his rehab and how hard
he's going at it and how much effort he's putting
into it. You can really tell that he didn't want
to let it be a season ending injury after a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
Yeah, that's that's the thing with this everybody as a
group on this football team, we talked about the makeup
of the character of the football team, not only the
intellectual abilities of a lot of the player, but the
you know, the football toughness, the mentality, gonna go get
get it, gonna get after it, not gonna miss. They're

(01:57:08):
saying I'm gonna miss. The three minds say I'm gonna
be back in a month and a half, two months. Yeah,
And Joe Borrow kind of leads the charge there, you know,
I mean, he he knows that guys are looking at him,
looking up to him, and the bottom line is he
wants to play. I mean, then this is this is
what he's a football player and he uh yeah, he's
at his happiest and his best when he's not leading

(01:57:29):
the football team.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Right for sure.

Speaker 10 (01:57:30):
Yeah, he's a really tough guy, and I think he's
uh shown that over the whatever six years that he's
been here, willing to play through injury and put the
team kind of first. And he's been really good about
being a leader vocally just showing out on the field.
And you know, I think a lot of guys would

(01:57:53):
be excited to get him back, and I think a
lot of guys are excited to see him back out
there just kind of going through all of what he
needs to get back on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
And in the meantime, Joe Flatto has done an incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
Amazing job.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
I find it impossible to imagine how he's pulled this
off with a limited number of reps he's had with
the team, and Bengals have averaged more than thirty two
points a game in the four games that he started.
Would have been your biggest impressions of your your forty
year old quarterback?

Speaker 10 (01:58:24):
Yeah, the guy that could probably be my father, you know,
Joseh Yeah, he started you. You know, he's a really
cool guy. You can tell, you know that he's been
doing it for a long time. It doesn't take a lot,
I feel like for him to be prepared for the
moment because he's been in that moment for so many years.

(01:58:47):
And you can tell that he's NFL MVP, super Bowl Champion,
super Bowl MVP just by the way he carries himself,
like throughout the locker room and just keep in his
body in check and keeping it healthy. And there's the
way he carries himself is really impressive. And you know,

(01:59:07):
he is a really personable guy and he likes to
chat it up and just kind of talk about anything.
And that's kind of what's been cool for me is
you know, not that I watched a lot in NFL football,
but I knew who Joe Flacco was growing up. So
it's really cool just to put like a human perspective

(01:59:29):
on Joe Flacco and not just like the football version.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
How old were you in twenty twelve?

Speaker 10 (01:59:35):
I was twelve depending on the year thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
So that's when he won the Super Bowl. You're a
twelve year old kid when he was leading the Ravens
Super Bowl title. Yeah, amazing, yep, Now your teammates.

Speaker 10 (01:59:45):
Exactly he is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
He is a kind of a one of a kind,
yeah sort of guy. I mean, I hear you know
a lot of players saying how much of an impact
he made in such a short period, It's that's tough
to do. Yeah, but joined the team, you know, after
you know, an x period of time. Everybody's going from together.
Different guys have different friends, different yonds, and for him

(02:00:10):
to be uh, to be part of that as quickly
as he has forget the football part of it just
to become part of the the the organization, and a
lot of it is his character, right, I mean he's
a high character guy. That's uh uh Yeah, He's all
about success.

Speaker 10 (02:00:27):
He's driven for sure, and I think he's a great
locker room guy. And I feel like coming into this
organization and this team, I feel like he probably had
to feel pretty good with with five and one r
out there running outs for him, no doubt, he's probably
all I gotta do is back and just throw it
up and they're gonna come down with it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
Yeah, definitely works.

Speaker 10 (02:00:50):
So but no, he's been a great addition, uh, great
guy to having the locker room, great guy to have
on the field obviously, and I feel like he's going
to continue to lead this team, uh where we need
to go.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
All right, We're going to take our final time out
when we come back we will play America's favorite game show,
Know Your School. Five questions about the University of Florida
for former Gator Evan McPherson. This is the Bengals pep
Rally Show Live from the on the Rhine Eatery on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Final segment of the Bengals pep Rally Show,

(02:01:29):
presented by Just Fair Chicken, Live from the on the
Rhine Eatery here in downtown Cincinnati. We are getting ready
for the Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers coming up on Sunday
at one o'clock at Akroshuer Stadium. Our special guest today
and we really appreciate him joining us. He does it
every year, Bengals kicker Evan McPherson. We've reached the final

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segment of the show, and that means it is time
for America's favorite game show. We call it No Your School.
Oh yeah, we've done this with you before, so I
hope I came up with different questions. We've got five
questions about the University of Florida for a former Gator,
Money Matt, Are you ready need to get at least
three rights?

Speaker 10 (02:02:13):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
To be declared a winner? Let's start easy. Florida has
had three Heisman Trophy winners, the most recent in two
thousand and seven, named the Gator lefty who won the
Heisman that year.

Speaker 10 (02:02:31):
That's tough, Tim Tebow.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
Tim Tebow is correct?

Speaker 10 (02:02:36):
Can I name the other two?

Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
Sure? Go ahead?

Speaker 10 (02:02:39):
I mean Steve Spurrier, correct, Steve Superior, Danny Warfore, you.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
Are right here we go now he's showing off. Bus
questions are gonna have to be harder next time. And
by the way, I heard audience participation. No, I frown
at audience participation. Question number two.

Speaker 10 (02:02:59):
I can't hear who da is here?

Speaker 3 (02:03:01):
So this is a good question. Florida has two alligator
mascow Albert and alberta.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
Ooohh boy, how about that boom?

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
How about that boom?

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
He's two for two. The most famous building on campus,
Oh I think we is one hundred and fifty seven
feet tall and features sixty one bells. What is the name?

Speaker 10 (02:03:25):
This was a question last time and I didn't know it,
and I still don't know it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
I don't remember it. It's going to keep being the
question until you get this right. Century Tower, Centry Tower,
Cree Tower. Two questions left you need to get at
least win, right, all right, to be a winner. You're
Alma Mater won the NCAA basketball championship last year. Okay,

(02:03:49):
four players averaged ten or more points scoring. Boy, can
you name one?

Speaker 10 (02:03:57):
I know one was like number one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
I think.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
That was probably Walter Clayton. It was really good. Elijah Martin,
not gonna Will Richard and Alex Condon.

Speaker 10 (02:04:09):
I didn't watch one game.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (02:04:11):
I watched the National championship game, and then I threw
up a post like I watched every game. After they won, they.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
Tried to claim was the biggest by that I've done worse.
All Right, It all comes down to this question. Dave
Lapham is going to know the answer to this question.
We'll see if you do name the former Gator played
with Dave Lapham in Super Bowl sixteen who can now
be heard every week on Sunday Night football.

Speaker 10 (02:04:38):
You know, he's a neighbor of mine, so I didn't know. No,
he's not. He's not actually my neighbor. We just live
in the same like city because his wife drug him
there Thomas. Yep, she's born and raised Fort Thomas. And
she said, we're not leaving. And the answer is Chris Collins.

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
Chris Collin correct number.

Speaker 10 (02:05:01):
Eight, Chris, his wife and few kids. They were at
the we go to Tower Park a lot and him
and his grandkids were there one day when we were
and it was cool to see him, you know, just
being a granddad and a father, and he was running
around going down slides, swinging. Uh So it's just fun

(02:05:23):
to see him out about like that. Yeah, he's a
great dude.

Speaker 4 (02:05:25):
Do you remember a linebacker that played at Florida by
the name of Glenn Cameron. Do you remember that name?
He was a first round pick of the Bengals back
in the late seventies. We were good friends and his
wife Liz and my wife Limb good buddies. And we
started a T shirt company called Pro t Shirts that
was around for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
Your a T shirt guy, left shirt man.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
We had this one. It was like the excellon Tiger
and it was yipe stripes we put on there and
then every player signed it. And it was like, right
after the Super Bowl sixteen.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Do you make some bank?

Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Got the kids from school?

Speaker 15 (02:06:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
The table. I didn't realize you were the entrepreneur of
this group. Suppressed my man cranking out T shirts back
in the day. All right, You're heading to Pittsburgh Sunday
one o'clock game against the Steelers. Yep, that's notoriously a
tough place to kick, between the wind and the field.
Pitt plays Notre Dame there tomorrow, so the field's going

(02:06:28):
to get chewed up, of course. Is it the toughest
place to kick?

Speaker 10 (02:06:33):
Toughest, Uh, it's up there, up there, up there. I've
always struggled in Cleveland for whatever reason. Uh, you know,
put a complete game together this past year, which felt good.
So we'll put the struggles behind us in Cleveland. And
I feel like, for the most part, I've always had
pretty good games in Pittsburgh. The wind hasn't ever been

(02:06:53):
really too crazy there. I remember my rookie year, I
got a little breezy and the field was kind of
chewed up. But the other two times we played at nine,
we're kind of midday, and I think they resided like
right before we came. So grass was great when wasn't
too bad as it has been freezing when I've played there.
But you know, I've put it. I've put together a

(02:07:13):
few good games in Pittsburgh, so I've always enjoyed it.
It's a fun stadium, fun environment to play in. Crowd
really gets into it and the towels waving and whatnot.
They got good traditions there, So I always enjoy going
to UH.

Speaker 3 (02:07:26):
To Pittsburgh Renegade at some point in the second half
get the defense.

Speaker 10 (02:07:33):
Yeah, I mean, I always love a good tradition and
just getting to watch other teams kind of traditions and
like the Vikings had a really cool like intro video
that I get to watch, and like Pittsburgh with the
the Renegade. It's you know, I'm just big on like traditions,
and I won't not enjoy somebody's traditions just because I'm

(02:07:56):
playing against them. You know, I'm gonna sit there, I'm
gonna be like, oh, it's cool, let's just go beat
them and send everybody home upset.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
Now, see, you're more mature than I am. Because I
can't like anything about the Pittsburgh Steelers, I can't blame you.
I always refer to them as the dreaded, hated, but
grudgingly respected Pittsburgh Steeling. So like the fact that you
can enjoy their traditions even as you try to beat them.

Speaker 10 (02:08:21):
Yeah, you know, it's really cool something.

Speaker 4 (02:08:24):
If a kicker is struggling in the league, do the
is it a big fraternity to the other kickers kind
of everybody take somebody to reach out to them and say, hey,
look we're thinking about you. We noticed it. You might
be doing this, or you might want to try this.
You guys do any of that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
You know?

Speaker 10 (02:08:40):
Not really?

Speaker 4 (02:08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:08:43):
I feel like if anybody is struggling or anybody has
any questions, they'll reach out.

Speaker 4 (02:08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:08:48):
But I will say, if I have a really close
friend that I'm like in speaking terms with like regularly, yeah,
I'll reach out to him, see how he's feeling, what
what he's thinking about, and kind of what's going through
his head. So I feel like in certain instances, yeah,
that would be the case.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
All Right, we are just about out of time. A
few thank yous are in order. Thank you to our engineer,
Mike Mills pipe man came down early and set everything
up even though he didn't know the show started two
thirty today, so we appreciate how early Mike comes. Thanks
to Drew Wester Heidi back in the studio. Thanks to
Nicky Growl who helped us out with the autographs today.
Thank you to the manager here Nick. Thanks to George,

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you're bringing us food. Most of all, thank you to
our special guest, Evan mcphersource and thank you to the
Bengals fans who came out to be part of the show.
If you bear listening too, the Bengals pep Rally Show
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