October 31, 2025 • 46 mins
Kevin covers the following stories and topics: Hurricane Melissa is now pounding Bermuda; President Trump returns from his 5-day Asia trip; Lewie Pugh, Executive Vice President, Owner Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) joins the show to discuss the latest Bills before Congress which align with the U.S. Department of Transportation's Interim Final Rules regarding Non-domiciled CDLs and English Language Proficiency; an editorial by Craig Fuller, CEO at FreightWaves takes on the issue of a "truck driver shortage"; Kevin has the details digs, into the data, puts the information in historical perspective, offers his insights and opinion.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is America's Trucking Network with Kevin Gordon.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome for thanks for tuning in on this final day
of October. Happy Halloween to each and every one of you. Tonight.
In a lot of places, the trick or treaters are
going to be out there, and so let's be careful
out there because these kids on Halloween, they're more interested
in getting the candy than paying attention to traffic. And
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so if you're in a particular neighborhood, be aware the
kids may be darting out in traffic. And let's have
a very safe Halloween and trick or treat. What is
really scary, especially as far as the Halloween Melissa, the
hurricane Melissa is still wreaking havoc down on the Caribbean.
Looking at some of the pictures from Jamaica and the
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film reports of people being able to get in there
and the absolute devastation it is in credible down there,
and it's going to be a long time till they recover. Currently,
Melissa is over Bermuda, and of course we'll get more
information on that as it passes. But what we're also
seeing is that on the in the upper Northeastern area,
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we're getting on a lot of rain and it's an unusual struggle. Well,
actually it's the outlying area of the storm from Melissa,
because normally the weather, if you know, we get weather
from the north and northwest, west and northwest, i should say,
and this storm is actually coming from the northeast and
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the east, which is unusual. And so they're getting an
awful lot of rain in the northeastern and along the
coast of the Atlantic coast. So if you're in the
area there, be aware that the that the weather is
going to be very rainy and windy, and be careful
out there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Again, getting home is job one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So if you see any conditions that are different than
what is being told about or talked about on your
weather app or weathermen or whatever you're listening, to make
sure you let the people behind you know if you're
encountering something that's unusual, and hopefully the people in front
of you will let you know. Because there's an awful
lot of wind and a lawful lot of rain. Now
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they're talking about in certain areas that they're experiencing fifty
sixty mile an hour winds now. Once you get up
above fifty five miles an hour that is technically hurricane conditioned,
so they are still even though they're on the outside
area of the cone of where this storm is going
because Melissa currently on its track is heading north east
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away from the coast of the United States and Canada.
But the outlying storms as a result of that is
what's causing a lot of wind and rain. So technically
they're not hurricane area there, but the winds are awfully high.
We did see and we mentioned yesterday that there's been
I think up to now five structures on the west
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on the Cape Hatteras in that area buck Buck what
is it, Buxton, South Carolina, where these houses are built
near the beach and on the beach basically, and they're
on these stilts, which is supposed to take care of
any of the you know, the waves and also the
high tides, low tides and so on. But with these
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winds coming in and the waves hitting this, it's knocked
out those stilts and these houses have collapsed. So it's
up to five now currently. We had twelve structures that
were destroyed a couple of weeks ago, so now up
to about seventeen structures that have been destroyed. So be
careful out there and make sure you get home safe
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and make sure that, as I said, getting home is
job one. President Trump wrapped up his week long visit.
I guess Asia trip is what they're week long Asia trip,
I should say. And if you see what happens, if
you look at what happened, it was absolutely amazing and
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a tremendous success. Of course, the spoon fed regurgitators in
the mainstream media aren't going to talk about it very
much or talk about it in very high praise. But
if you looked at the pomp and circumstance that he
was welcomed in Malaysia, in Japan, in South Korea, how
they rolled out the red carpet for him. When you
see the way that the new prime minister from Japan,
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and I know I'm going to butcher her name, but
I'm going to give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Prime Minister, SHANEI. Takachi is her name.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Not only was she exuberant being on stage with President
Trump during his visit when he was speaking in front
of the troops, but she has also recommended him, along
with some of these other countries, have recommended him for
the Nobel Peace Prize for the peace that he's brought
around the world and across the world.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So there's up to several.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Different countries now that have written letters nominating him for
the Nobel Peace Prize. Just kind of a rundown quickly,
is what's going on. But of course USA today and
the spoonfeeder regurgitators of the mainstream media, they'll deal with.
The headline says trade deals, pageantry and nukes. Seven takeaways
from Trump's Trump's trip to Asia in their sub headline,
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Trump's week long trip to Malaysia, Japan, and South Korea
showcase the pageantry of foreign affairs against the backdrop of
government shutdown at home that threaten to become the longest
heir ever. And of course they don't mention that it's
the Schumer shutdown. They don't mention that it's the Democrats
holding this up. There is a recording of one of
the Democratic senators talking about that, yes, people are going
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to be feeling pain, but this is the only levers
we have and the control that we have in Congress
and in the Senate. So yes, all they have to
do again what they did back in March. They signed
this continuing resolution that kept things going, kept the government
open until they negotiated some of the other deals and
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so on. But what they're holding out for now, there's
this clean resolution that's.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
There been sitting on the table.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They have voted on it thirteen times, the Democrats have
voted against it thirteen times, and they are still shutting
down the government. And what they're holding out for is
one point five trillion dollars in additional spending above and
beyond what this.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Clean resolution is. And that's not the way you do
things in Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And they are going to pay a tremendous price for
this because people are not buying into the crap that
they are pushing. And some of the polls are indicating
that even though the spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream
media are saying one thing, the people that are being
pulled realize something completely different and having a different reaction
than what they would hope them to have. Trump reduced
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a China tariffs that he met with the jijingping there
in South Korea and they did hammer out certain agreements.
There's going to be a lowering of tariffs in exchange
for China purchasing agriculture and electronics trade. Trump has lowered
South Korea tariffs in exchange for US investment. Trump also announced,
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Now in this story, they said, announce the resumption of
nuclear weapons testing, and they go into this whole scenario
talking about how this is an aggressive on Trump's part
and that this is kind of adding to the arms race. However,
what they failed to mention is the fact that Vladimir
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Putin has decided that he is going to up the
ante a little bit. And again is Phil Flynn points
out in his Energy Report, Russian President Vladimir Putin made
a mistake by unintentionally starting a new arms race.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
US afree tested.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A new nuclear capable, nuclear powered, long range remote torpedo
that he claimed was experts have dubbed the doomsday machine.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Now, with him doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Trump is indicated that he's going to balance that off
and renew nuclear testing on the part of the US
because we have the largest and he's been very reluctant
to do any testing as far as nuclear weapons and
trying to promote peace and actually reduce the number of
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nuclear weapons. But if Russia is going to amp this up,
of course we're going to amp it up. Also coming up,
we're going to be talking to Louis Pugh. I want
to mention that real quick. We're going to be talking about,
of course, Louis Pugh, Executive vice president of IDA Owner
Operator Independent Drivers Association. We're gonna be talking about a
couple of pieces of legislation pending before Congress, the Non
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domicild CDLs and English Language proficiency.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Going on in this and one, you know, I don't
know how long the interview is gonna go, but we're
going to go as long as we can because there's
a lot of issues here and a lot of things
that's not getting accurately reported in the media. But we'll
get to all that coming up. I'm Kevin Gordon, America's
truck in Network, seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
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The Infinity Series Champion will be crowned Saturday night in Phoenix.
Connors Zilich, Carson Gwaffle, also Justin Olgeyer and Jesse Love
are in the Xcinity Final four. Danny Hamlin, who will
run for the Cup series twenty twenty five titles Sunday
on Dirty Wild Media on his pick for the Exfinity champ.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
The seven car last year was very, very dominant. You
gotta think he's going to be pretty tough again. But
you also got the eighty eight. I think it's still
going to be a close one. Justin's experience at Phoenix
will counter whatever success the eighty eight has had throughout
the season, and so I think that's going to be
a one A one B type of race, and then
Jesse will be right there near them, and then Carson
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is going to need to find some speed. Who's your pick?
Then I'll give the nod to Justin. His car is
going to be just as prepared as the eighty eight.
He's not going to get beat on equipment.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Remember last year, all the mistakes he had and to
still come back.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah, they're lightning fast.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Justin's my pick.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
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Series race in Phoenix after wrecking Jeff Burton on the
cool down lap last weekend at Martinsville. Colleague Racing will
pause its Exfinity Series program for the twenty twenty six season.
Since debuting in the series full time in twenty sixteen,
Colleague has won twenty seven races and ten seasons, including
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I'm Kevin Gordon, America's Trucking Network, seven hundred WLW. I
want to welcome back to the friend of the show.
Been on this show a couple of times, a good
friend of the show. Louis Pugh, Executive vice President oh IDA,
Owner Operator, Independent Drivers Association.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Louis, how are you welcoming back to the program.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Hey, it's good to be on your program. It's good
to be back on here again.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'll tell you what, It's always a pleasure having you.
There's been a lot of things that have happened since
the last time we talked.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
One of the issues we talked about back then was.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The English language proficiency issue, and that has really come
into the forefront now. But also one of the things
that is also up is this non domicile worker, so
I think non domicile CDLs. So let's begin with that
and kind of give us a background on this and
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I understand there's a couple of bills before Congress, one
on the ELP and the other one on non domiciled CDLs,
so kind of bring us up to speed on all that.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, I mean, it's you're right.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
There's been a lot of talk, especially this year with
the English Science Proficiency and non domicile.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The non domicile.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Stuff started back in twenty six or twenty nineteen. I
think they were ata of course at petition wanting that,
and that was mainly it was designed to allow people
from out from one state to go to another state
to get their CDO. And what happened though, is the
way it worked out, it opened up the floodgates to
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where people from other countries could come get their CDO.
And that's what we've been seeing happen is all these
people from all over the place are common and then
unfortunately states some some states I should say, they just
sort of opened the door let anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
They don't even know who they're giving them to.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
It seems like and so fortunately the Trump administration and
dot has listened to us because we have been yelling
and complaining about this for a while now, and they
finally started paying attention and and they've done something. Secretary
Duffy came out with that internal Final intern intern final
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rule that came out on these non domicile cels to
where they had to stop askatoonin states to stop issuing them.
And then so we've had that happen. We've also had
the English language go into the out of service thanks
to this. There's been a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Done now as far as the non domicild is concerned. Okay,
non domicilde you mentioned had to do with trying to
get you know, people what Ohio, somebody in Ohio being
able to drive in Indiana and so on, and then
they open this floodgates to people coming from outside the
United States.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Do I have that correct?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
That's what it was designed for, your correct, was to
allow people within the United States to or you know,
from one state or another. That's what they're wanting it for.
And you know, of course accurding. It's sad thing about
all this, this all goes back to this bullshit driver
shortage narrative that we continually have had to fight against,
the pushback against, because for years and years, you know,
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for forty years, Big Trucking, American Trucking serisays that continues
to say.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We have a driver shortage.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
We've never had a driver shortage, but it's all to
keep wages as low. And this was just one more
regulation that they were able to get put out there
at this's non domicile in the name of driver shortage.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Now we do air this show after midnight, and we
are in that comfort zone where you can use certain
colorful language, but we prefer not to use the wholt
bs if you know what I mean. So yes, full
excrement there we go. But yeah, I mean, and it
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makes it kind of more comes into focus. You know,
you had these HB one or H one B visas
where people were allowed to come into the country if
you did not have a particular if somebody had a
particular skill that wasn't able to be done by a
domestic Native American or not a Native American, but a
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person that is a US citizen. And then they expanded
that to consulting firms and they abused the heck out
of the system.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I guess this is another leg up of that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then, as you said, the American Trucking Association's claiming
that there was a driver shortage when in fact there
wasn't and got this ram rodded through and in effect,
just to repeat for everybody, this has pushed down wages
because if you've got a flood of people, people that
will work for a lot less because they're really not
a citizen in the United States, that would then press
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down or pull down the wages themselves.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Correct, Yeah, correct, I mean trucking salaries for truck drivers
have not kept up with inflation since the nineteen seventies,
and when you have a shortage of something, prices go up.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
So if we had a trucking or.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Driver shortage, driver's salaries and wages would be off the charts.
But we don't because we keep litigating, you know, from
this driver shortage narrative was what we've done for forty years,
and that's why we're in this mess that we're in. Well,
we have a shortage of is pay and training and parking.
Those are three things we have a shortage of. And
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you know, we're in the longest recession in trucking history. Why,
because we have too much capacity, too much capacity of
too many truckers and too many trucks. That's why the
rates aren't coming back. I know that the big carriers
and folks say they have a business model using very
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cheap salary and cheap way is and the only way
they can do that, as my boss said, Todd Spencer,
our long time our president said, when the job sucks,
you got to find more suckers. And unfortunately that's what
they're trying to do. That's why we see this push
for one hundred and twenty one drivers, this push for
these non domiciles.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
All this stuff is for cheap labor.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Now, as far as a non domicile is concerned, if
somebody is here legally I guess through a green card
or whatever, and they have a work permit, that would
not prevent them from getting a cdo license.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
Correct, well, yes and no kind of now right now,
it's the way the rule has been written. You are correct.
You could be here, you have to be here.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You can have an hbt V srajuine, but you have to.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Go through all this enough to get that things properly.
Fsay stepped in put this i FR out to where
this has to be. So really what it's going to
amount to is a few agricultural workers out here and
very few from are going to you know, could possibly
get CDOs the hall stuff from field to farm or
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something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
From the research we've seen.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
The carve out that's in this if R that Trump
and Duffy put in the amount of there's only been
six thousand of the CDOs put out to those kind
of people since two thousand and nine till now, so
that's hardly anybody right exactly heard anyone.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But what we've been saying Louis Pugh, by.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The way, we're speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive vice president
of OEIDA. What we've seen though is that some of
these people that are that have these work visas, they
will expire and within like say, they're at the point
where they're going to expire with to say, within a year,
they will get a license that is good for how long?
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Is it good for four years? Is it have to
be renewed every year? How how often does and two?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Until this i f R came out in September, you're
right there with the CDO may last longer than their
work visa.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's that's why you don't have correct, So technically I
want to see it. So technically, once their visa runs out,
they should not be permitted to be driving. They that basically,
even though they have a cd L, it actually becomes
null and void because they don't have the permit to
work in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Correct, you are.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Correct, And that's the way it was prior to the.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I f R in September.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Okay, but there's still probably people that they're running around
with these because you know.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
When rules and regulations are passed.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
There from that point forward, they're usually not retroactive. So
if there are some see undone nomoso CDOs out there
like this, they don't really think they are gonna have
to do some checking.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Her to go back and get rid of them.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
With the way the law works, whether they can or can,
it's kind of a state thing since the i f
R came out. The way it works now and the
way it should have been before. But the way it
will work for now with the i f R is
that your CDO would be good for one year or
till the ex visa expires, whichever is first.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And that's part of this legislation. Correct, that's part.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Of the I f R and the Duffy and Trump
put out.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And now since then, you know, there's some tuckers out there.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I don't think I'm quite ready to understand it, but
because they're getting all mad.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They were happy with what Trump and Duffy put out.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
But now Congressman Rouser has a bill out there that
would cod codify this because.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Right now it's a ruling.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This a good place for us to take a break,
because we had to step out and we'll pick this
up on the other side.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (25:23):
Seven hundred is wlw I Kevin Gordon. This is America's trucking Network.
Continuing our conversation with Louis Pugh, executive vice president o AIDA,
Owner Operator Independent Drivers Association. Before the break, Louis, we
were talking about this IFR Interim final rule. Now, this
is a mandate or a rule put in by the
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Department of Transportation, and as I understand this, it is
something that well, all right, this is like an executive order.
At this point with a new administration, this could change
or it could be well probably more laxed or whatever.
So there is no need by Congress to step in
here and codify a law that allows us to continue
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beyond any administration, which is right for the trucking industry.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Correct? Do I have that right?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You are a hundred correct, Gordon?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now, Congressman David Rouser introduced this bill.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Talk about this bill and what it does.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yeah, well, and again it's a misinformation out there and
there's a few social media people going crazy and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Come on, people on social media, they don't lie and
misrepresent stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, right, Well, anyway, I says to me, it
makes lots of people experts.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yes, any what?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
But what what? What?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I know?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
What what it does is all the Rouser Bill.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Does is it codifies the the I f R. It
was put out the Trump administration and Duffy. Which that's
why I find this fascinating because the people who are
now picking on the Rouser Bill, when this came out
from DOT they were celebrating. They were all happy about it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And we need this bill to pass. I mean, I can't.
You gotta remind people Congressman.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Rouser is actually the chair of the Highway Transit Subcommittee
and the House T and I so he's the guy
that kind of is where trucking bills are gonna he's
gonna have to check off and it's his bills.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So his bill is the one that probably stands the
best chance of moving forward.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
But again, his bill does nothing more than make it
a law, which what the FMCSA and DT made a rule.
They would make that rule of permanent law and a
good thing. Like you said, then another administration comes in,
they just can't roll it back. It would take a
Congression Act of Congress to.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Move to change the law.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
I'll just gets like the eleds for folks out there,
we got elds.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
The only way you ever get rid of eods.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
It takes a Act of Congress because it was mandated
by Congress in the first place.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, we're speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive Vice President ADA.
Now this is a great point and people need to
get behind this. So they need I guess once again,
we got to put the call out to people to
call their congressmen, their senators and get them on board
with this because otherwise this, as we saw with all
so many other pieces of legislation that we've seen over
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the years, it just gets stuck in Congress, gets turned
in the bin and never gets to the House floor.
You know, sits on the present, you know, sits in Congress,
sits in the Senate, never goes forward, and so on.
So I guess the pressure has to come from the people,
because again with the different accidents that we've seen, the
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fatalities that we've seen, the fact that we don't have
a driver's shortage, which you know, is creating a problem
as far as depressing the wages, having an overcapacity city,
and having people on the road that necessarily aren't trained
properly in order to drive this eighty thousand pound vehicle.
This would basically make our roads safer. And you would
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think that people would be interested in making our roads safer.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, you would think so.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I mean, that's the thing I tell people. All these
bad rules and regulations and all these bad things that's
been passed due to drivers. Yes, we're paying for this
on America's highways. And we've seen that tenfold here lately
with these accidents where the guy made the turn in
Florida and then what happened down here in California, and
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you know.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And it's just real sad. I mean, that's a sad
thing about these folks. They should have never got.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Behind the whee overtruck in the first place, because they
should have never gotten through training.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Right now, we have this two pronged issue that people
that have been in the news a lot, the English
language proficiency and this non domiciled work. And I think,
in my opinion, it seems that the emphasis should be
on the non domiciled workers because those probably are the
people that aren't passing the English proficiency. So if we
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cut that off, then we don't just kind of like
a chicken and the egg type of thing. I think
we need to start with the non domiciled workers first
and then make sure that we're making sure that those
English language proficiency, which is which well, that was already
in the law, and that's already been passed by Congress,
which was ignored from twenty sixteen on.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Correct, Yeah, I mean unfortunate. I guess you wouldn't say
it's ignored. It was.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
There was still a violation, and you're right, it has
a law English science proficiency. We shouldn't even be having
to talk about it because it should have never been
a problem in the first place. Unfortunately, there's not strict
enough training standards out here, not strict enough checks and
balances in the training for truckers, and unfortunately, there's been
a lot of less than a vertical trucking schools that
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come out here and they tacking these people when they
have their third party testers and they get them their
cdo and they're when they're not capable of speaking our
language well enough to drive a truck.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And that's what's caused all this. But you are correct.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
From twenty sixteen until till June of twenty twenty five
of this year, they took it out of the out
of service. It was still a violation, and states were
still writing the violation.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But it was just a violation and the trucker could
go on down the road.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
A lot of.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Thankfully and successfully we petitioned CVSA and was successful.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
In that to get this put back.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Into the out of service under the pretext that they
can't read the road signs and they can't read the
electric messaging boards, because the reason they got throwed out
in the first place was they said, well they can
still communicate with folks through you know, these translating services
or their cell phone and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Well that's the thing. I hope you read a sign
or read electric trustage board.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So we tell the public who are driving a Mini
Coopers or small sedans or that type of thing, no
texting and driving. But we can tell somebody that can't
speak the English language, Oh, just do the app on
your phone and do the translation that way while you're
driving an eighty thousand pound vehicle.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
No texting and driving supposed to be while they're driving.
But I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So it's just, you know, it's one of those things
where you would think that something in your wildest dreams.
I don't think you could ever have imagined, Louis Pugh,
that you would have a necessary for a law that says,
in order to drive on the highway you have to
be able to read the signs and be proficient in
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the language in order to communicate with people. You would
think that that is a given, but apparently you have
to spell this out and then codify it in a law,
which is insanity in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, yeah, common sense got checked at the door and out.
When you're right about that, and I'm with you, Gordon.
You wouldn't think we'd have to do that. This would
be this hard, and you wouldn't think there'd be people
against it. You wouldn't think there's been people for it. Yeah,
but unfortunately it's all driven again, a lot of this stuff,
most of the stuff, it falls back to this whole
bull crap of a driver shortage narrative. If we wouldn't
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be have been pushing out for the last forty years,
we probably wouldn't be having a discussion on some of
these things we're having.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, it's pretty common sense to.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Me that you should let a truck or use the restroom,
but unfortunately places don't, so.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
We're having to try to get a bill in Congress
pass for that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, exactly, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, Louis, our time is up here, and gosh, we
gotta do this more often because there is just so much,
I mean, there's so much within this to talk about.
And then also, you know, some of this crazy stuff
is that we're seeing as far as this English language
proficiency and the bill before Congress on that.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But again, I appreciate your.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Time, and I appreciate your patience dealing with us, and
keep up the fight, my friend, because all of this
stuff is so important, and I don't think people appreciate
the efforts that oh Ida does. And I would encourage
everybody to get behind the organization. Get go to the website,
check out where you can call, because you need to
be engaged. You need to call your congressman. If you
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want stuff changed, You've got to get congress off then
get them off their butts and have them pass this legislation.
And the only way they do that is that they
hear from you, Louis. Thank you so much. I appreciate
your time with us today.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thank you God, thanks for having me.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Thank you all those truckers out there, and go to
Fighting for Truckers.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dot com and o I DA dot com and join.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
The more members we have, the more grassroots you have,
the stronger we are.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And the faster we can make changes.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Exactly. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I'm Kevin Gordon, America's Trucking Network seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Busted my budd trigger treating, and when I got back it,
Daddy took my stinker's.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Mom took the kid cats, Grandpa took the quicks, Grandma
took the reacy cups.
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Mela this candy corn and candy cornious sucks.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Handles, take your hands off of your candy.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
We're the ones who went Dora door to get this
stuff and the last thing we want is there to
be left with us staking second.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Candy horn a holiday reminder from seven hundred candy cornious sucks,
run a business and not thinking about podcasting. I was
a great interview with him.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I always enjoyed talking to him and there's always a lot
of great information when we talk.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
And I can't emphasize enough the importance of these bills
that are before Congress. And as he mentioned, you need.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
To check the website oh Aida working for truckers and
making sure that you are calling Congress. It is extremely
important that you call your congressman and senators to make
sure that you show your support for these bills. That
was we talked about with Louis Representative David Ross Ross
(36:11):
bill Non Domicile CDLs and English Language Proficiency from Senator
Roger Marshall. Now, if you call the Congress Hotline or
they're what they call it Congressional Data Line in order
to connect with your individual senators or Congressmen. You call
that number and it's area code two zero two two
(36:35):
two four three one two one, that is the US
and US House and Senate House switchboard operator to zero
two two two four three one two one, and all
you have to do is contact them, let them know
what state you're in, where you live, and they will
put you in touch with the individual Congressman or senator
(36:59):
in your area, and you just leave and be polite.
You want to make sure that you're leaving a notification
or a voice message for your congressman or senator and
letting them know that how you stand on these issues
and want them to vote to pass this legislation. Also,
make sure that you check out o IDAs Fighting for
(37:20):
Truckers dot com, as Louie had mentioned. And by the way,
if you miss any part of our program, if you
missed any of our shows, make sure you hit up
that iHeartRadio app. Of course that's brought to you buyer
friends at Rush Truck Centers, and we certainly appreciate that.
Now kind of digging a little bit deeper into this
subject as far as what we were discussing with Louis
(37:41):
because there was an editorial that was put out recently
by Craig Fuller. He is the CEO of Freight Waves
and he kind of lays this out and kind of
explains because when we hear that the FMCSA back in
twenty sixteen under the Obama administration, the final days of
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the Aboma administration relaxed the enforcement of the English language
preference of English Language proficiency regulation as far as pulling
people over and making them out of service if they
don't pass this. A lot of people have asked, well,
why didn't the Trump administration when they came into office
(38:26):
push that back. As Louis pointed out, this was a
provision that was put in there as far as non
domiciled CDLs in order to get people that in a
particular state to be able to obtain a license in
another state or be able to be allowed to drive
in other states. This was non intended to bypass the
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English language proficiency. Now, even though they decreased that, the
number of people out on the highway I think Louis
talked about was six thousand people potentially at that point,
So it wasn't a big deal and so it wasn't
on the radar screen that much. However, with the flood
and the open gates and the invasion of this country
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under the Biden administration and with some of the people
being able to get driver's license that shouldn't have been
getting driver's license, this has become even a more serious problem.
So that's why back during the first Trump administration that
these bills weren't pushed through. I wish that had somehow
gotten on the radar screen and pushed through, but it
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certainly is now now. In this editorial, American trucking industry
is facing unprecedented challenges marked by a deepening economic crisis
and deteriorating highway safety standards. While supply chain disruptions during
the COVID nineteen pandemic brought attention to the transportation sector,
the narrative surrounding these issues has been largely mischaracterized, particularly
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regarding the nature and extent of the perworded truck driver shortage.
He points out. In this background, American Trucking Associations has
consistently promoted the idea of a chronic truck driver shortage
to Congress and the public. During the height of the
COVID nineteen pandemic, when supply chains experienced a significant strain,
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this narrative gained considerable traction responding to what was portrayed
as an urgent crisis. Both states and federal governments implemented
policy changes aimed at rapidly expanding truck driver workforces. Now
He mentions in here that the measures including lower standards
and commercial driver's license qualification, relaxing training requirements, and easing restrictions.
(40:44):
Now he's saying that these could have been done other
ways than this, but it was a push to get
as many people in there, and he is faulting the
American trucking associations for allowing this to happen. Regulatory changes
had far reaching consequences that extended beyond simply increasing the
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number of available drivers. The trucking industry witnessed an influx
of inadequately trained individuals, many of whom reportedly lacked proper
understanding of American road regulations and language proficiency. This situation
created a dangerous precedent. Now I mentioned that a lot
of these violations that come into play, as far as
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hours of operation and operating vehicles over more than twenty
up to twenty hours per day, freight recession has been
caused by an endless glut of capacity. Now He mentions
that there was a lot of things that were going on,
but as He pointed out that in order to cut
costs in order to bring down because the freight rates
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were coming down and this was starting to cut into
the profitability, they had to figure out a way or
they wanted to figure out a way of lowering costs.
One of the big costs is driver wages. So if
you can get a cheaper labor force is and what
we are experiencing in the economy as it is now,
with the glut of cheap labor with a lot of
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these illegals that are here in the country that will
work for less than minimum wage or at or about
minimum wage, depresses and pulls down the wages for the
American people. So the people that are in the middle
class and the people that would normally have those jobs,
those are being dragged down. And we're basically having an
(42:35):
economy now where we've seen more and more of where
it's a squeeze squeezing out the middle class and that
you're left with just lower class and upper class in
your economy. You need all three classes in order to
be a successful country and in order to have an
adequate workforce, because generally, if businesses are expanding, you can
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have the opportunity of hiring people, which pull people out
of the lower class, lower incomes into the middle class
and middle class wages. But when you have an influx
of illegals that are willing to work and being hired
less than what the normal wages are, that is going
to have the effect of depressing those wages and keeping
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the workforce down. To sacrifice profitability or make sure that
your profitability is up at the expense of safety is
one of the things that Craig Fuller is talking about
in here. What has followed has been described as a
great freight recession, characterized as a most severe economic downturn
(43:40):
of the freight industry has ever experienced. Yes, this freight
recession has gone on now for more than three years,
and normally these freight recesses, and you folks in the
trucking industry, you've seen this before. You've seen situations where
the trucking recession has gone on and where you've had
different times of where the great rates have been down,
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freight rates have been up, and you've seen how these
have ebbed and flowed over the years. And generally, if
they are going to last, they're only going to last
for about I think the average is what I was
seeing was somewhere between twelve and fourteen months.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
We are now into the third year of this great recession.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Also, he points out here in his editorial, and I'm
going to put this on Facebook because this is extremely important.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Craig Fuller, CEO of Freight Waves.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Family owned trucking firms have been wiped out because they
can't compete ATA is under claiming that ATA is basically.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Undermining their members.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Members joined the American Trucking Associations in order to be
part of a group of a group that is going
to be fighting for their rights and promoting business practices
that support them and help them in their industry. And
what the ATA has been doing by important by allowing
or pushing for or or allowing these companies to push
(45:02):
for lower wages, and some of the regulations that were
not being enforced and some of the lacks that was
being done as far as the actual issuing of these
CDLs has actually hurt their membership. And he's very adamant
on that. And this isn't the first time I've heard
this being discussed and the first time I've heard this
(45:22):
being talked about, and so this is definitely something that
has to be looked at. Now we're not going to
have obviously a chance to get to it today, but
one of the things that has been pointed out is
how the actual process of illegal aliens are getting CDLs
in the United States and some of the discussions where
California is claiming that they are actually in within the regulations,
(45:48):
that they're following the regulations, their arguments quite honestly don't
meet the standards. If they're claiming that they enforce the
English language proficiency, how is somebody getting a driver's license.
As we saw the accident in Florida and then the
accident in southern California that the driver of both of
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those vehicles couldn't speak English. So if they say that
they're not issuing licenses to people that can't pass the
English language proficiency, how did they get a license? That's
a simple question. Well, folks, we're up against clock here.
Stay tuned for Red Eye Radio at the top the hour.
I'm Kevin Gordon, America's truck and Network seven hundred WL
This is America's Trucking Network with Kevin Gordon.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome for thanks for tuning in on this final day
of October. Happy Halloween to each and every one of you. Tonight.
In a lot of places, the trick or treaters are
going to be out there, and so let's be careful
out there because these kids on Halloween, they're more interested
in getting the candy than paying attention to traffic. And
(00:34):
so if you're in a particular neighborhood, be aware the
kids may be darting out in traffic. And let's have
a very safe Halloween and trick or treat. What is
really scary, especially as far as the Halloween Melissa, the
hurricane Melissa is still wreaking havoc down on the Caribbean.
Looking at some of the pictures from Jamaica and the
(00:54):
film reports of people being able to get in there
and the absolute devastation it is in credible down there,
and it's going to be a long time till they recover. Currently,
Melissa is over Bermuda, and of course we'll get more
information on that as it passes. But what we're also
seeing is that on the in the upper Northeastern area,
(01:16):
we're getting on a lot of rain and it's an unusual struggle. Well,
actually it's the outlying area of the storm from Melissa,
because normally the weather, if you know, we get weather
from the north and northwest, west and northwest, i should say,
and this storm is actually coming from the northeast and
(01:40):
the east, which is unusual. And so they're getting an
awful lot of rain in the northeastern and along the
coast of the Atlantic coast. So if you're in the
area there, be aware that the that the weather is
going to be very rainy and windy, and be careful
out there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Again, getting home is job one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So if you see any conditions that are different than
what is being told about or talked about on your
weather app or weathermen or whatever you're listening, to make
sure you let the people behind you know if you're
encountering something that's unusual, and hopefully the people in front
of you will let you know. Because there's an awful
lot of wind and a lawful lot of rain. Now
(02:24):
they're talking about in certain areas that they're experiencing fifty
sixty mile an hour winds now. Once you get up
above fifty five miles an hour that is technically hurricane conditioned,
so they are still even though they're on the outside
area of the cone of where this storm is going
because Melissa currently on its track is heading north east
(02:47):
away from the coast of the United States and Canada.
But the outlying storms as a result of that is
what's causing a lot of wind and rain. So technically
they're not hurricane area there, but the winds are awfully high.
We did see and we mentioned yesterday that there's been
I think up to now five structures on the west
(03:09):
on the Cape Hatteras in that area buck Buck what
is it, Buxton, South Carolina, where these houses are built
near the beach and on the beach basically, and they're
on these stilts, which is supposed to take care of
any of the you know, the waves and also the
high tides, low tides and so on. But with these
(03:31):
winds coming in and the waves hitting this, it's knocked
out those stilts and these houses have collapsed. So it's
up to five now currently. We had twelve structures that
were destroyed a couple of weeks ago, so now up
to about seventeen structures that have been destroyed. So be
careful out there and make sure you get home safe
(03:52):
and make sure that, as I said, getting home is
job one. President Trump wrapped up his week long visit.
I guess Asia trip is what they're week long Asia trip,
I should say. And if you see what happens, if
you look at what happened, it was absolutely amazing and
(04:13):
a tremendous success. Of course, the spoon fed regurgitators in
the mainstream media aren't going to talk about it very
much or talk about it in very high praise. But
if you looked at the pomp and circumstance that he
was welcomed in Malaysia, in Japan, in South Korea, how
they rolled out the red carpet for him. When you
see the way that the new prime minister from Japan,
(04:37):
and I know I'm going to butcher her name, but
I'm going to give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Prime Minister, SHANEI. Takachi is her name.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Not only was she exuberant being on stage with President
Trump during his visit when he was speaking in front
of the troops, but she has also recommended him, along
with some of these other countries, have recommended him for
the Nobel Peace Prize for the peace that he's brought
around the world and across the world.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So there's up to several.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Different countries now that have written letters nominating him for
the Nobel Peace Prize. Just kind of a rundown quickly,
is what's going on. But of course USA today and
the spoonfeeder regurgitators of the mainstream media, they'll deal with.
The headline says trade deals, pageantry and nukes. Seven takeaways
from Trump's Trump's trip to Asia in their sub headline,
(05:32):
Trump's week long trip to Malaysia, Japan, and South Korea
showcase the pageantry of foreign affairs against the backdrop of
government shutdown at home that threaten to become the longest
heir ever. And of course they don't mention that it's
the Schumer shutdown. They don't mention that it's the Democrats
holding this up. There is a recording of one of
the Democratic senators talking about that, yes, people are going
(05:55):
to be feeling pain, but this is the only levers
we have and the control that we have in Congress
and in the Senate. So yes, all they have to
do again what they did back in March. They signed
this continuing resolution that kept things going, kept the government
open until they negotiated some of the other deals and
(06:18):
so on. But what they're holding out for now, there's
this clean resolution that's.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
There been sitting on the table.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They have voted on it thirteen times, the Democrats have
voted against it thirteen times, and they are still shutting
down the government. And what they're holding out for is
one point five trillion dollars in additional spending above and
beyond what this.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Clean resolution is. And that's not the way you do
things in Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And they are going to pay a tremendous price for
this because people are not buying into the crap that
they are pushing. And some of the polls are indicating
that even though the spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream
media are saying one thing, the people that are being
pulled realize something completely different and having a different reaction
than what they would hope them to have. Trump reduced
(07:08):
a China tariffs that he met with the jijingping there
in South Korea and they did hammer out certain agreements.
There's going to be a lowering of tariffs in exchange
for China purchasing agriculture and electronics trade. Trump has lowered
South Korea tariffs in exchange for US investment. Trump also announced,
(07:30):
Now in this story, they said, announce the resumption of
nuclear weapons testing, and they go into this whole scenario
talking about how this is an aggressive on Trump's part
and that this is kind of adding to the arms race. However,
what they failed to mention is the fact that Vladimir
(07:53):
Putin has decided that he is going to up the
ante a little bit. And again is Phil Flynn points
out in his Energy Report, Russian President Vladimir Putin made
a mistake by unintentionally starting a new arms race.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
US afree tested.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A new nuclear capable, nuclear powered, long range remote torpedo
that he claimed was experts have dubbed the doomsday machine.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Now, with him doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Trump is indicated that he's going to balance that off
and renew nuclear testing on the part of the US
because we have the largest and he's been very reluctant
to do any testing as far as nuclear weapons and
trying to promote peace and actually reduce the number of
(08:44):
nuclear weapons. But if Russia is going to amp this up,
of course we're going to amp it up. Also coming up,
we're going to be talking to Louis Pugh. I want
to mention that real quick. We're going to be talking about,
of course, Louis Pugh, Executive vice president of IDA Owner
Operator Independent Drivers Association. We're gonna be talking about a
couple of pieces of legislation pending before Congress, the Non
(09:07):
domicild CDLs and English Language proficiency.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Going on in this and one, you know, I don't
know how long the interview is gonna go, but we're
going to go as long as we can because there's
a lot of issues here and a lot of things
that's not getting accurately reported in the media. But we'll
get to all that coming up. I'm Kevin Gordon, America's
truck in Network, seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
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Speaker 1 (09:33):
This is the briefing repard on America's Drugging Network on
seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
The Infinity Series Champion will be crowned Saturday night in Phoenix.
Connors Zilich, Carson Gwaffle, also Justin Olgeyer and Jesse Love
are in the Xcinity Final four. Danny Hamlin, who will
run for the Cup series twenty twenty five titles Sunday
on Dirty Wild Media on his pick for the Exfinity champ.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
The seven car last year was very, very dominant. You
gotta think he's going to be pretty tough again. But
you also got the eighty eight. I think it's still
going to be a close one. Justin's experience at Phoenix
will counter whatever success the eighty eight has had throughout
the season, and so I think that's going to be
a one A one B type of race, and then
Jesse will be right there near them, and then Carson
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is going to need to find some speed. Who's your pick?
Then I'll give the nod to Justin. His car is
going to be just as prepared as the eighty eight.
He's not going to get beat on equipment.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Remember last year, all the mistakes he had and to
still come back.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah, they're lightning fast.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Justin's my pick.
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I'm Kevin Gordon, America's Trucking Network, seven hundred WLW. I
want to welcome back to the friend of the show.
Been on this show a couple of times, a good
friend of the show. Louis Pugh, Executive vice President oh IDA,
Owner Operator, Independent Drivers Association.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Louis, how are you welcoming back to the program.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Hey, it's good to be on your program. It's good
to be back on here again.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'll tell you what, It's always a pleasure having you.
There's been a lot of things that have happened since
the last time we talked.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
One of the issues we talked about back then was.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The English language proficiency issue, and that has really come
into the forefront now. But also one of the things
that is also up is this non domicile worker, so
I think non domicile CDLs. So let's begin with that
and kind of give us a background on this and
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I understand there's a couple of bills before Congress, one
on the ELP and the other one on non domiciled CDLs,
so kind of bring us up to speed on all that.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, I mean, it's you're right.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
There's been a lot of talk, especially this year with
the English Science Proficiency and non domicile.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The non domicile.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Stuff started back in twenty six or twenty nineteen. I
think they were ata of course at petition wanting that,
and that was mainly it was designed to allow people
from out from one state to go to another state
to get their CDO. And what happened though, is the
way it worked out, it opened up the floodgates to
(12:50):
where people from other countries could come get their CDO.
And that's what we've been seeing happen is all these
people from all over the place are common and then
unfortunately states some some states I should say, they just
sort of opened the door let anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
They don't even know who they're giving them to.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
It seems like and so fortunately the Trump administration and
dot has listened to us because we have been yelling
and complaining about this for a while now, and they
finally started paying attention and and they've done something. Secretary
Duffy came out with that internal Final intern intern final
(13:29):
rule that came out on these non domicile cels to
where they had to stop askatoonin states to stop issuing them.
And then so we've had that happen. We've also had
the English language go into the out of service thanks
to this. There's been a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Done now as far as the non domicild is concerned. Okay,
non domicilde you mentioned had to do with trying to
get you know, people what Ohio, somebody in Ohio being
able to drive in Indiana and so on, and then
they open this floodgates to people coming from outside the
United States.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Do I have that correct?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
That's what it was designed for, your correct, was to
allow people within the United States to or you know,
from one state or another. That's what they're wanting it for.
And you know, of course accurding. It's sad thing about
all this, this all goes back to this bullshit driver
shortage narrative that we continually have had to fight against,
the pushback against, because for years and years, you know,
(14:30):
for forty years, Big Trucking, American Trucking serisays that continues
to say.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We have a driver shortage.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
We've never had a driver shortage, but it's all to
keep wages as low. And this was just one more
regulation that they were able to get put out there
at this's non domicile in the name of driver shortage.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Now we do air this show after midnight, and we
are in that comfort zone where you can use certain
colorful language, but we prefer not to use the wholt
bs if you know what I mean. So yes, full
excrement there we go. But yeah, I mean, and it
(15:09):
makes it kind of more comes into focus. You know,
you had these HB one or H one B visas
where people were allowed to come into the country if
you did not have a particular if somebody had a
particular skill that wasn't able to be done by a
domestic Native American or not a Native American, but a
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person that is a US citizen. And then they expanded
that to consulting firms and they abused the heck out
of the system.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I guess this is another leg up of that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then, as you said, the American Trucking Association's claiming
that there was a driver shortage when in fact there
wasn't and got this ram rodded through and in effect,
just to repeat for everybody, this has pushed down wages
because if you've got a flood of people, people that
will work for a lot less because they're really not
a citizen in the United States, that would then press
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down or pull down the wages themselves.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Correct, Yeah, correct, I mean trucking salaries for truck drivers
have not kept up with inflation since the nineteen seventies,
and when you have a shortage of something, prices go up.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
So if we had a trucking or.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Driver shortage, driver's salaries and wages would be off the charts.
But we don't because we keep litigating, you know, from
this driver shortage narrative was what we've done for forty years,
and that's why we're in this mess that we're in. Well,
we have a shortage of is pay and training and parking.
Those are three things we have a shortage of. And
(16:47):
you know, we're in the longest recession in trucking history. Why,
because we have too much capacity, too much capacity of
too many truckers and too many trucks. That's why the
rates aren't coming back. I know that the big carriers
and folks say they have a business model using very
(17:07):
cheap salary and cheap way is and the only way
they can do that, as my boss said, Todd Spencer,
our long time our president said, when the job sucks,
you got to find more suckers. And unfortunately that's what
they're trying to do. That's why we see this push
for one hundred and twenty one drivers, this push for
these non domiciles.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
All this stuff is for cheap labor.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Now, as far as a non domicile is concerned, if
somebody is here legally I guess through a green card
or whatever, and they have a work permit, that would
not prevent them from getting a cdo license.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
Correct, well, yes and no kind of now right now,
it's the way the rule has been written. You are correct.
You could be here, you have to be here.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You can have an hbt V srajuine, but you have to.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Go through all this enough to get that things properly.
Fsay stepped in put this i FR out to where
this has to be. So really what it's going to
amount to is a few agricultural workers out here and
very few from are going to you know, could possibly
get CDOs the hall stuff from field to farm or
(18:20):
something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
From the research we've seen.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
The carve out that's in this if R that Trump
and Duffy put in the amount of there's only been
six thousand of the CDOs put out to those kind
of people since two thousand and nine till now, so
that's hardly anybody right exactly heard anyone.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But what we've been saying Louis Pugh, by.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The way, we're speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive vice president
of OEIDA. What we've seen though is that some of
these people that are that have these work visas, they
will expire and within like say, they're at the point
where they're going to expire with to say, within a year,
they will get a license that is good for how long?
(19:03):
Is it good for four years? Is it have to
be renewed every year? How how often does and two?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Until this i f R came out in September, you're
right there with the CDO may last longer than their
work visa.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's that's why you don't have correct, So technically I
want to see it. So technically, once their visa runs out,
they should not be permitted to be driving. They that basically,
even though they have a cd L, it actually becomes
null and void because they don't have the permit to
work in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Correct, you are.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Correct, And that's the way it was prior to the.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I f R in September.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Okay, but there's still probably people that they're running around
with these because you know.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
When rules and regulations are passed.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
There from that point forward, they're usually not retroactive. So
if there are some see undone nomoso CDOs out there
like this, they don't really think they are gonna have
to do some checking.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Her to go back and get rid of them.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
With the way the law works, whether they can or can,
it's kind of a state thing since the i f
R came out. The way it works now and the
way it should have been before. But the way it
will work for now with the i f R is
that your CDO would be good for one year or
till the ex visa expires, whichever is first.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And that's part of this legislation. Correct, that's part.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Of the I f R and the Duffy and Trump
put out.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And now since then, you know, there's some tuckers out there.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I don't think I'm quite ready to understand it, but
because they're getting all mad.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They were happy with what Trump and Duffy put out.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
But now Congressman Rouser has a bill out there that
would cod codify this because.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Right now it's a ruling.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This a good place for us to take a break,
because we had to step out and we'll pick this
up on the other side.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (25:23):
Seven hundred is wlw I Kevin Gordon. This is America's trucking Network.
Continuing our conversation with Louis Pugh, executive vice president o AIDA,
Owner Operator Independent Drivers Association. Before the break, Louis, we
were talking about this IFR Interim final rule. Now, this
is a mandate or a rule put in by the
(25:44):
Department of Transportation, and as I understand this, it is
something that well, all right, this is like an executive order.
At this point with a new administration, this could change
or it could be well probably more laxed or whatever.
So there is no need by Congress to step in
here and codify a law that allows us to continue
(26:08):
beyond any administration, which is right for the trucking industry.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Correct? Do I have that right?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You are a hundred correct, Gordon?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now, Congressman David Rouser introduced this bill.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Talk about this bill and what it does.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yeah, well, and again it's a misinformation out there and
there's a few social media people going crazy and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Come on, people on social media, they don't lie and
misrepresent stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, right, Well, anyway, I says to me, it
makes lots of people experts.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yes, any what?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
But what what? What?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I know?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
What what it does is all the Rouser Bill.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Does is it codifies the the I f R. It
was put out the Trump administration and Duffy. Which that's
why I find this fascinating because the people who are
now picking on the Rouser Bill, when this came out
from DOT they were celebrating. They were all happy about it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And we need this bill to pass. I mean, I can't.
You gotta remind people Congressman.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Rouser is actually the chair of the Highway Transit Subcommittee
and the House T and I so he's the guy
that kind of is where trucking bills are gonna he's
gonna have to check off and it's his bills.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So his bill is the one that probably stands the
best chance of moving forward.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
But again, his bill does nothing more than make it
a law, which what the FMCSA and DT made a rule.
They would make that rule of permanent law and a
good thing. Like you said, then another administration comes in,
they just can't roll it back. It would take a
Congression Act of Congress to.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Move to change the law.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
I'll just gets like the eleds for folks out there,
we got elds.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
The only way you ever get rid of eods.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
It takes a Act of Congress because it was mandated
by Congress in the first place.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, we're speaking with Louis Pugh, Executive Vice President ADA.
Now this is a great point and people need to
get behind this. So they need I guess once again,
we got to put the call out to people to
call their congressmen, their senators and get them on board
with this because otherwise this, as we saw with all
so many other pieces of legislation that we've seen over
(28:29):
the years, it just gets stuck in Congress, gets turned
in the bin and never gets to the House floor.
You know, sits on the present, you know, sits in Congress,
sits in the Senate, never goes forward, and so on.
So I guess the pressure has to come from the people,
because again with the different accidents that we've seen, the
(28:49):
fatalities that we've seen, the fact that we don't have
a driver's shortage, which you know, is creating a problem
as far as depressing the wages, having an overcapacity city,
and having people on the road that necessarily aren't trained
properly in order to drive this eighty thousand pound vehicle.
This would basically make our roads safer. And you would
(29:12):
think that people would be interested in making our roads safer.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, you would think so.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I mean, that's the thing I tell people. All these
bad rules and regulations and all these bad things that's
been passed due to drivers. Yes, we're paying for this
on America's highways. And we've seen that tenfold here lately
with these accidents where the guy made the turn in
Florida and then what happened down here in California, and
(29:38):
you know.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And it's just real sad. I mean, that's a sad
thing about these folks. They should have never got.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Behind the whee overtruck in the first place, because they
should have never gotten through training.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Right now, we have this two pronged issue that people
that have been in the news a lot, the English
language proficiency and this non domiciled work. And I think,
in my opinion, it seems that the emphasis should be
on the non domiciled workers because those probably are the
people that aren't passing the English proficiency. So if we
(30:12):
cut that off, then we don't just kind of like
a chicken and the egg type of thing. I think
we need to start with the non domiciled workers first
and then make sure that we're making sure that those
English language proficiency, which is which well, that was already
in the law, and that's already been passed by Congress,
which was ignored from twenty sixteen on.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Correct, Yeah, I mean unfortunate. I guess you wouldn't say
it's ignored. It was.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
There was still a violation, and you're right, it has
a law English science proficiency. We shouldn't even be having
to talk about it because it should have never been
a problem in the first place. Unfortunately, there's not strict
enough training standards out here, not strict enough checks and
balances in the training for truckers, and unfortunately, there's been
a lot of less than a vertical trucking schools that
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come out here and they tacking these people when they
have their third party testers and they get them their
cdo and they're when they're not capable of speaking our
language well enough to drive a truck.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And that's what's caused all this. But you are correct.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
From twenty sixteen until till June of twenty twenty five
of this year, they took it out of the out
of service. It was still a violation, and states were
still writing the violation.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But it was just a violation and the trucker could
go on down the road.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
A lot of.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Thankfully and successfully we petitioned CVSA and was successful.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
In that to get this put back.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Into the out of service under the pretext that they
can't read the road signs and they can't read the
electric messaging boards, because the reason they got throwed out
in the first place was they said, well they can
still communicate with folks through you know, these translating services
or their cell phone and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Well that's the thing. I hope you read a sign
or read electric trustage board.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So we tell the public who are driving a Mini
Coopers or small sedans or that type of thing, no
texting and driving. But we can tell somebody that can't
speak the English language, Oh, just do the app on
your phone and do the translation that way while you're
driving an eighty thousand pound vehicle.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
No texting and driving supposed to be while they're driving.
But I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So it's just, you know, it's one of those things
where you would think that something in your wildest dreams.
I don't think you could ever have imagined, Louis Pugh,
that you would have a necessary for a law that says,
in order to drive on the highway you have to
be able to read the signs and be proficient in
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the language in order to communicate with people. You would
think that that is a given, but apparently you have
to spell this out and then codify it in a law,
which is insanity in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, yeah, common sense got checked at the door and out.
When you're right about that, and I'm with you, Gordon.
You wouldn't think we'd have to do that. This would
be this hard, and you wouldn't think there'd be people
against it. You wouldn't think there's been people for it. Yeah,
but unfortunately it's all driven again, a lot of this stuff,
most of the stuff, it falls back to this whole
bull crap of a driver shortage narrative. If we wouldn't
(33:27):
be have been pushing out for the last forty years,
we probably wouldn't be having a discussion on some of
these things we're having.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, it's pretty common sense to.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Me that you should let a truck or use the restroom,
but unfortunately places don't, so.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
We're having to try to get a bill in Congress
pass for that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, exactly, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, Louis, our time is up here, and gosh, we
gotta do this more often because there is just so much,
I mean, there's so much within this to talk about.
And then also, you know, some of this crazy stuff
is that we're seeing as far as this English language
proficiency and the bill before Congress on that.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But again, I appreciate your.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Time, and I appreciate your patience dealing with us, and
keep up the fight, my friend, because all of this
stuff is so important, and I don't think people appreciate
the efforts that oh Ida does. And I would encourage
everybody to get behind the organization. Get go to the website,
check out where you can call, because you need to
be engaged. You need to call your congressman. If you
(34:25):
want stuff changed, You've got to get congress off then
get them off their butts and have them pass this legislation.
And the only way they do that is that they
hear from you, Louis. Thank you so much. I appreciate
your time with us today.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thank you God, thanks for having me.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Thank you all those truckers out there, and go to
Fighting for Truckers.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dot com and o I DA dot com and join.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
The more members we have, the more grassroots you have,
the stronger we are.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And the faster we can make changes.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Exactly. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
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of great information when we talk.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
And I can't emphasize enough the importance of these bills
that are before Congress. And as he mentioned, you need.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
To check the website oh Aida working for truckers and
making sure that you are calling Congress. It is extremely
important that you call your congressman and senators to make
sure that you show your support for these bills. That
was we talked about with Louis Representative David Ross Ross
(36:11):
bill Non Domicile CDLs and English Language Proficiency from Senator
Roger Marshall. Now, if you call the Congress Hotline or
they're what they call it Congressional Data Line in order
to connect with your individual senators or Congressmen. You call
that number and it's area code two zero two two
(36:35):
two four three one two one, that is the US
and US House and Senate House switchboard operator to zero
two two two four three one two one, and all
you have to do is contact them, let them know
what state you're in, where you live, and they will
put you in touch with the individual Congressman or senator
(36:59):
in your area, and you just leave and be polite.
You want to make sure that you're leaving a notification
or a voice message for your congressman or senator and
letting them know that how you stand on these issues
and want them to vote to pass this legislation. Also,
make sure that you check out o IDAs Fighting for
(37:20):
Truckers dot com, as Louie had mentioned. And by the way,
if you miss any part of our program, if you
missed any of our shows, make sure you hit up
that iHeartRadio app. Of course that's brought to you buyer
friends at Rush Truck Centers, and we certainly appreciate that.
Now kind of digging a little bit deeper into this
subject as far as what we were discussing with Louis
(37:41):
because there was an editorial that was put out recently
by Craig Fuller. He is the CEO of Freight Waves
and he kind of lays this out and kind of
explains because when we hear that the FMCSA back in
twenty sixteen under the Obama administration, the final days of
(38:03):
the Aboma administration relaxed the enforcement of the English language
preference of English Language proficiency regulation as far as pulling
people over and making them out of service if they
don't pass this. A lot of people have asked, well,
why didn't the Trump administration when they came into office
(38:26):
push that back. As Louis pointed out, this was a
provision that was put in there as far as non
domiciled CDLs in order to get people that in a
particular state to be able to obtain a license in
another state or be able to be allowed to drive
in other states. This was non intended to bypass the
(38:47):
English language proficiency. Now, even though they decreased that, the
number of people out on the highway I think Louis
talked about was six thousand people potentially at that point,
So it wasn't a big deal and so it wasn't
on the radar screen that much. However, with the flood
and the open gates and the invasion of this country
(39:11):
under the Biden administration and with some of the people
being able to get driver's license that shouldn't have been
getting driver's license, this has become even a more serious problem.
So that's why back during the first Trump administration that
these bills weren't pushed through. I wish that had somehow
gotten on the radar screen and pushed through, but it
(39:33):
certainly is now now. In this editorial, American trucking industry
is facing unprecedented challenges marked by a deepening economic crisis
and deteriorating highway safety standards. While supply chain disruptions during
the COVID nineteen pandemic brought attention to the transportation sector,
the narrative surrounding these issues has been largely mischaracterized, particularly
(39:57):
regarding the nature and extent of the perworded truck driver shortage.
He points out. In this background, American Trucking Associations has
consistently promoted the idea of a chronic truck driver shortage
to Congress and the public. During the height of the
COVID nineteen pandemic, when supply chains experienced a significant strain,
(40:20):
this narrative gained considerable traction responding to what was portrayed
as an urgent crisis. Both states and federal governments implemented
policy changes aimed at rapidly expanding truck driver workforces. Now
He mentions in here that the measures including lower standards
and commercial driver's license qualification, relaxing training requirements, and easing restrictions.
(40:44):
Now he's saying that these could have been done other
ways than this, but it was a push to get
as many people in there, and he is faulting the
American trucking associations for allowing this to happen. Regulatory changes
had far reaching consequences that extended beyond simply increasing the
(41:05):
number of available drivers. The trucking industry witnessed an influx
of inadequately trained individuals, many of whom reportedly lacked proper
understanding of American road regulations and language proficiency. This situation
created a dangerous precedent. Now I mentioned that a lot
of these violations that come into play, as far as
(41:27):
hours of operation and operating vehicles over more than twenty
up to twenty hours per day, freight recession has been
caused by an endless glut of capacity. Now He mentions
that there was a lot of things that were going on,
but as He pointed out that in order to cut
costs in order to bring down because the freight rates
(41:51):
were coming down and this was starting to cut into
the profitability, they had to figure out a way or
they wanted to figure out a way of lowering costs.
One of the big costs is driver wages. So if
you can get a cheaper labor force is and what
we are experiencing in the economy as it is now,
with the glut of cheap labor with a lot of
(42:14):
these illegals that are here in the country that will
work for less than minimum wage or at or about
minimum wage, depresses and pulls down the wages for the
American people. So the people that are in the middle
class and the people that would normally have those jobs,
those are being dragged down. And we're basically having an
(42:35):
economy now where we've seen more and more of where
it's a squeeze squeezing out the middle class and that
you're left with just lower class and upper class in
your economy. You need all three classes in order to
be a successful country and in order to have an
adequate workforce, because generally, if businesses are expanding, you can
(42:57):
have the opportunity of hiring people, which pull people out
of the lower class, lower incomes into the middle class
and middle class wages. But when you have an influx
of illegals that are willing to work and being hired
less than what the normal wages are, that is going
to have the effect of depressing those wages and keeping
(43:19):
the workforce down. To sacrifice profitability or make sure that
your profitability is up at the expense of safety is
one of the things that Craig Fuller is talking about
in here. What has followed has been described as a
great freight recession, characterized as a most severe economic downturn
(43:40):
of the freight industry has ever experienced. Yes, this freight
recession has gone on now for more than three years,
and normally these freight recesses, and you folks in the
trucking industry, you've seen this before. You've seen situations where
the trucking recession has gone on and where you've had
different times of where the great rates have been down,
(44:01):
freight rates have been up, and you've seen how these
have ebbed and flowed over the years. And generally, if
they are going to last, they're only going to last
for about I think the average is what I was
seeing was somewhere between twelve and fourteen months.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
We are now into the third year of this great recession.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Also, he points out here in his editorial, and I'm
going to put this on Facebook because this is extremely important.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Craig Fuller, CEO of Freight Waves.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Family owned trucking firms have been wiped out because they
can't compete ATA is under claiming that ATA is basically.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Undermining their members.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Members joined the American Trucking Associations in order to be
part of a group of a group that is going
to be fighting for their rights and promoting business practices
that support them and help them in their industry. And
what the ATA has been doing by important by allowing
or pushing for or or allowing these companies to push
(45:02):
for lower wages, and some of the regulations that were
not being enforced and some of the lacks that was
being done as far as the actual issuing of these
CDLs has actually hurt their membership. And he's very adamant
on that. And this isn't the first time I've heard
this being discussed and the first time I've heard this
(45:22):
being talked about, and so this is definitely something that
has to be looked at. Now we're not going to
have obviously a chance to get to it today, but
one of the things that has been pointed out is
how the actual process of illegal aliens are getting CDLs
in the United States and some of the discussions where
California is claiming that they are actually in within the regulations,
(45:48):
that they're following the regulations, their arguments quite honestly don't
meet the standards. If they're claiming that they enforce the
English language proficiency, how is somebody getting a driver's license.
As we saw the accident in Florida and then the
accident in southern California that the driver of both of
(46:10):
those vehicles couldn't speak English. So if they say that
they're not issuing licenses to people that can't pass the
English language proficiency, how did they get a license? That's
a simple question. Well, folks, we're up against clock here.
Stay tuned for Red Eye Radio at the top the hour.
I'm Kevin Gordon, America's truck and Network seven hundred WL
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