Tri-State Chevy Dealers Bengals Postgame Show - 10/26/2025

Chick Ludwig & Bruce Kozerski break down the Bengals loss from today along with your calls.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
From We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings
five oh nine Ohio Pike, and you are listening to
the tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports talk presented by
Rnel Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig and I'm alongside Bengals
legendary offensive lineman Bruce Kozerski, and we're breaking down the

(00:30):
bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New
York Jets at pay Course Stadium like a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 1 (00:54):
The number to dial if you can't be here in person.
The number to dial is five to one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand or one eight hundred the Big One and Bruce.
I've been following the Bengals since their inception in nineteen
sixty eight. In this game today ranks near the top
of one of the most disappointing, upsetting, embarrassing losses in memory.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Because it came against a.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Terrible seven New York Jets team and on of all days,
the Ring of Honor Game, The Ring of Honor honoring
Dave Lapham and leap and Lamar Parrish, and the Bengals
led this game throughout ten to nothing, seventeen to three,
twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, thirty eight

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to twenty four, and they lose thirty nine to thirty eight.
How in the world do you explain this?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh, in seven, they're all in seven. There are at
home fourteen pointly with ten minutes ago. My wife and
I had a gout to get to the show on time.
So by the time we got to the lower concourse,
they were down by eight or down by six. And
then we get to the car and they scored. The
Jet scored the league that the touch ONWN the go ahead.

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It's frightening, it's frightening. You just can't have enough points.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
This defense is absolutely terrible, terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
You score thirty eight points and you lose this football game. Now,
as bad as the defense is. Near the end of
this game, in the fourth quarter, after the Bengals final touchdown,
they three and out and then they melt down on
their final drive.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I know for three weeks we were talking about how
bad this Bengals offense is right. Joe Fokker comes in
here and now they're going up and down the field
scoring points. You can't say at the end of the
game that one series where they went three and now, now
that was a critical three and out, but all game
on they did a great job's it was the first
quarter our defense was playing lights out. The second quarter

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that just made some adjustments and all of a sudden,
you can't stop the pass. And then we make some
adjustments and all of a sudden, you can't stop the run.
Now you got defenders on all parts of the defense.
You gotta be able to stop both of them. Occasionally, nothing,
nothing was pathetic.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
The New York Jets were zero and seven, but they
had five losses within a touchdown, within a score, two
points against Pittsburgh, two point loss to Tampa Bay, six
point loss to Miami, two point loss to Denver, a
seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers. And today they

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come into pay Course Stadium and somehow, some way win
this game thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, their offense hadn't been producing, the defense was playing
very well all year long. Yes, today played terribly. We
had the Bengals had one hundred and ninety yards rushing.
When's the last time that happened? Right, we had a
very balanced offense passing and throwing. But now their offense
plays lights out because it's against our defense. So what

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is the problem is that our offense is that our
defense they're not playing complimentary ball. That ball they haven't
done it all year long.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
The Jets roll up five hundred and two total offensive
yards against the Bengals three ninety eight, two forty eight passing,
and the Bengals defense gets lit up, trampled for two
hundred and fifty four rushing yards by the New York Jets.
It is just unbelievable. There on that touchdown run near

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the goal line for the Jets, I'm watching it and
there's four guys for the Bengals lined up on the
right side, and the running back just runs to the
left side untouched into the end zone. Why can't the
linebackers fill the gaps and tackle somebody. The tackling is

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the poorest in the National Football League on the part
of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm sitting up in the where I was watching, I
had pretty good seats and and uh, they they had
an extra offensive lineman on the field and two tight ends,
and many of the times they lined those all those
extra guys off to the same side, and our defensive
line never shifted over. No, no, never shifted over. I'm
thinking that would be the worst. That would be the

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first thing they would do against the offensive line that
I played on.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
You know, as good as we.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Had Anthony moves over there, if we got an extra
ligne with the Joe Walter and two tight ends outside,
they're gonna over shift it that direction.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
We would expect them to nothing. There we are.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's a credible loss.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, unexpected five nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the
big one.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Bad football makes for great radio.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
We'll say that. Uh, this is the place to vent. Okay,
thirty nine to thirty eight. I mean, an unbelievably beautiful day.
You're honoring Dave Lapham and my good friend Leaping Lamar Parrish,
the most electrifying player who has ever worn a Cincinnati
Bengals jersey, Leaping Lamar. No one has has accomplished what

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that guy has accomplished. Every time he touched the ball,
he was thinking to the house. Just an amazing, amazing player.
To have them both here and you're playing against the
Jets and you lose on Ring of Honor Day, it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Is just embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, it's uh as as a former player sitting up
there with all those alumni has been that come back
for this game.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
It was.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
It was frustrated every one of us, but you had
a feeling at some point that it was going to happen,
because no matter how many times we scored, they came
right back down score to catch up. In the day
we scored, then they got the two for at halftime
because they got the field goal right before halftime, and
then they got the touchdown after half.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Times like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I was secretly hoping that Chase Brown would go
down at the one instead of pushing his way into
the end zone kills some time there to not let
them get the ball back.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So but Brown scored the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
They did get down there and kicked a field goal
at the end of the half. So but the second
half and that last quarter, yeah, the Jets and justin Fields, I.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Think I don't think Chase Brown thought about for a
second not scorer right there because as often as often
as he's run the ball how hard has it been
to get one yard?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
There were games when he couldn't get a yard up the.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Field, yes, and two two point conversions on the part
of the Jets, and once they got within six, with
plenty of time to go, uh, seven fifty two to go,
you could.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Just see what was coming.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It was that that's traditionally what happens here instead of
being able to come down ice it. Now we we
have occasionally, but that's that's not been the staple. What
the staple has been is that when we have that
kind of lead, we give up to the points and they
come back and win too many, too many times, too often.
And it's sad because you know, the organization has done

(08:24):
everything they can put and putting good players on the roster,
and at this some point they're just not performing. I
saw was coaches in certain spots, players in certain spots.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Being weak, not playing well.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
But you know, here we are again looking at a
situation we should have been. Should have been five hundred
one and another game with the Bears and bye week
and things looking good, and now we're second guests ourselves again.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Everybody except the New York Chats had the Bengals easily
winning this football game. Kay, Garrett Wilson didn't play their
best wide receivers, and yeah, so many players down for
the Jets.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
But yes, that's why they play the game.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's the NFL any given Sunday, and this was the
Sunday for the New York Jets either.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And I go back a week and say, who would
have expected the Bengals to beat the Steelers?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So what it turned around in eleven days, the highest
high on a Thursday night beating the Pittsburgh Steelers and
playing great, and then the lowest of the low today
losing to the Jets. And the Bengals let them hang
around and hang around.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
And they get clipped at the end.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It was a It turned into a track meet, and
the Jets crossed the finish line first.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It reminds me of a team that's that's closed. They
have all the pieces and sometimes the gears click and
sometimes they just fall flat. And then that seems to
be what we're getting here, is when the when the
machine's going smoothly, all the gears are clicking, and they
score a lot of points.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Defense plays well.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
I had not seen a complete game where all three
phases of the game or are on the same page.
Uh even today we had one kickoff late in the game.
We had that it was that one. We had the
fourteenth lead in the fourth quarter. We kicked the ball
into the end zone instead of making them return, so
making them ball in thirty five instead of the twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's Bruce Kazerski. This is Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
We're here at the Beachmont Wings and Rings until eight
thirty and you're invited. And if you can't be here
in person, feel free to join us by calling five one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand or one eight hundred the big one.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Oh, I want to say, who Day.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wanted this to be a victory on Ring of
Honor Day, but it's a big time downer. Nevertheless, it's
awesome to be here at Wings and Rings on bet
Beachmont on seven hundred WLW. We're back at the Beachmont

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Wings and Rings five O nine Ohio Pike Ludwig alongside
Bruce Kazerski. If you're listening to the Tri State Chevy
Dealers postgame sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers, Bengals fall
to the New York Jets, thirty nine to thirty eight.
We're breaking it down like a wrecking ball and we're
taking your calls. And first up here is Kyle in Fairfield. Kyle,

(11:19):
are you there.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
I'm here, man, Just try to find me off the ledge.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
All right, Yes, I'm there. I went overboard.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
Man.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
I have so many things to say.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
I'm trying to keep it short.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
All right, Please do thank you.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
I had a lot of faith in my defense.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
I had a lot of faith in our defense last.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Week, coming off that Thursday.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
We got the stops when we needed to, Okay, and
then today comes and.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
We just can't stop Junior varsity middle school team.

Speaker 10 (11:52):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
The Jets had so many guys out. They were playing
their second third train guys.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
And I just don't get it, Like there's just nothing
that that can be done until our whole coaching.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
Staff is gone. I've lost faith.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Please talk me out of it. I'm pretty much giving
up on the season. I would I would think that
if we got to win today it would have been
all right. But with the results today, I'm done. Please
talk me out of it.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, Kyle, appreciate the call. Thanks so much.

Speaker 11 (12:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
We talked Bruce when you came in that they just
the coverage got soft in the zone and and then
Justin Fields picked him apart.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And the tackling was awful.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It seemed to be in the first quarter, everything that
the Bengals did on defense was working. They were getting
tackles for losses, they were breaking up passes. I mean,
the owner of the Jets was criticizing their starting quarterback
last week, yes, and and blaming everything on him, so
he put extra pressure on this guy. So the guy
is gonna play great. He didn't play great. He just
played okay because there was so much room and so

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many places for him to throw the ball with receivers
that weren't the starting receivers. It's you know, we had
we had, we had a nice two score lead early.
We got safe. You got safe, you give up a score.
So then we come back and we get a score.
So you play safe again, you give a score. And
it was a back and forth, and then it was
only a matter of time before our offense eventually.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Had a miss.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yes, you know, and it seemed like when that happened,
they just I don't understand that that game is a
you know, it's a sixty minute game unless you play
your your your back, your butt off for four quarters
that you can't win in this league.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
You got to you can't play safe.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Ever, Pat is in Redding. Pat, Are you there?

Speaker 9 (13:45):
Just a couple of points about the defense, then I
have a specific question.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
About the offense.

Speaker 9 (13:50):
Only our defense could make the Jets look good. I mean,
they scored six points against the Panthers and thirty nine
against US.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (14:01):
I can't imagine that there's any team in the NFL
that has the worst defense. I think that lou and Arumo.
Isn't he with the Colts now?

Speaker 12 (14:12):
I mean he was apparently the sacrificial lamb last year.
It's not the coach, it's the players. And then finally
my question.

Speaker 9 (14:22):
About the offense. I don't know if either one of
you saw this, but they re showed the third down
play at the end of the game and they said
that Flacco had no one to throw to. They showed
it from the from the from Flacco's viewpoint, and it

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looked to me like Jamar was open. Am I crazy?
I mean, would Joe Burrow not have tried to throw
it to him? That's the one where he just threw
it way out about do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, Well, I believe in my heart of hearts that
Joe Flockele thought, Joe Burrow thought the Chase was open.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
He had thrown the ball.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I think he throws in the ball when he's not
open sometimes because he trusts He trusts him that much.
But there are things that you just can't see. Sometimes
you're you're you gotta play called and your your route
choice takes you one, two, three, and and Chase might
have been the third route on that and then he
got flushed from the pocket, didn't have then he had

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his eyes got changed, and now he doesn't see Jamar
getting open. So everything anything can happen. Uh, quarterbacks got
so much going on in the backfield. He's got to
feel the pass rush, not look at the pass rush,
because he if he looks at the pass rush, he
can't see downfield. He's got to to go through his
route progression in a in a prescribed order. He can't
make it up as he goes. And uh, you know,

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based on what they're showing, Chase was getting double covers
late in the game, maybe he shouldn't have been open.
Maybe that's why he never got there.

Speaker 9 (15:56):
Okay, and oh, one thing I forgot, Henderson basically didn't
look like himself. Is there anybody that thinks like me
that it wouldn't be surprising if he doesn't play another
down this year.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
No, he's hurt.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's hurt, and he got hurt on the play in
in the Pittsburgh game. I saw that one where he
got hit by he got chipped on by a or
by a running back, and then he got hit again today,
uh and stopped, and I think it might have reaggravated it. Fortunately, Fortunately,
I hope it's fortunate. They got the barriers and then
the bye week that might give him the two or

(16:34):
three weeks he needs to get that hit back in shape,
because today was an experiment. They played him to see
if it would hold up, and obviously it didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Not making any not making any.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
But same defense that played without him last week.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
He got pushed on a on a uh, he got
pushed and it was blatant right in front of the
referee and no flag was called.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
And that on that play he aggravated his hill.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we noticed that.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, thanks you all right, Pad appreciate it. The critical
series once Breese Hall went right around right end for
twenty seven yards and then the two point conversion. Okay,
to pull the Jets within thirty eight to thirty two.

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The Bengals go three and out, and that that really hurt,
because the Jets took over was six point fifty to go.
Put together another the scoring drive and the Breese Hall.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
And when you're h and seven, you're gonna pull out
all the stops.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
A half back pass to a tight end Mason Taylor
from Breecee Hall, and.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I would have expected that to happen earlier in the game,
no doubt, kept it in their pocket till it early mattered.
That's exactly I was thinking about that multiple time.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
It's not the game.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know, in certain situations, this is a long, thirty
long yard situation, you get some kind of a reverse
toss pass or some kind of gimmicky play where you
get a receiver wide open because you're pursuing a different play.
But then then happened till that point.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Devon is in Ashland. Are you there, Devon?

Speaker 8 (18:12):
Yes, I am. How are you guys hanging in Well,
we've all taken blood pressure medicine to that terrible collapse
by a defensive team. Mike Brown or the GM should
have stopped sack Taylor and the defensive coordinator before going

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into the locker room. It said, you are a relief
of your duties. Don't come back here anymore. It was terrible.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Devin appreciate that. Yeah, the frustration by fans, I can oh,
you can hear it. You could hear it in the
caller's voices, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
It has to be working its way through.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
The organization have to chain and as I said earlier,
you know, Zach's gonna put some points on the board,
but the control of the organization and all the other
stuff that goes along with it. They haven't played three
phases really in a long time. And and you know,
you make choices as a head coach and you got
to live with them.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
There were so many great drive starts by the Chats
and the Bengals drive starts not very.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Good well, but they moved the ball up and down
the field. They really did it, with the exception of
the one or two times uh in my opinion that
we did punt the ball we got. We got some
really nice efforts down get him in a rather ten
yard line twelve yard line. Uh, give him some long
fields to work with. Uh, but you can't stop somebody.
How is it that you're so up and down from
week to week? You know when, like for three weeks

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the city was crying about the interceptions and the ineptitude,
the inability to run the ball on offense and all
the chaos going on. And so the defense were they
playing well or were it was the offense playing bad?
Nothing that you really didn't notice the defense. And now
the defense has an opportunity to stop somebody and they can't,
And it's frustrated. As a fan, I get it a

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bit on all sides of this.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Believe me.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I played for a long time and seen a lot
of bad football, and I just hope that at some
point this group gets it together, because if not, then
by the time Joe Burrow is ready to come back,
it won't much matter. And right now, it's not the
quarterbacking that's going on, as Cousin's problem, the team to
lose games.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Hey, we're going out to Boston with John. Are you there? John?

Speaker 7 (20:33):
Yes, sir chick, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Bruce?

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And talk to you fellows.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yes, sir John.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yes, sir Chick, you have a Hall.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Of Fame voice for radio.

Speaker 7 (20:41):
Let me tell you that much. You are fantastic boos.
Your knowledge is perfect.

Speaker 13 (20:45):
So I'm so glad to get a chance to speak
to you.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Guys.

Speaker 13 (20:48):
Not to blame the offense when you score thirty eight points,
but Bruce is an offensive lineman. Do you think they
abandoned the run a little bit? They only had twenty
three rushers today, and they had a two score lead
for most of that game. It seemed like they weren't
stopped winning the football, but they sucked themselves occasionally in
a couple of key situations.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I'm not sure how many total plays they had. Twenty
two rushers might have been about almost half half the plays.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, yeah, the total plays twenty seventy to fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, seventy to fifty eight on the part of the chest.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, but you can also have to add some of
those Some of those little little quick passes to Jamar
are considered runs. He catch the ball, I thought oft
screwage and scories for five or six yards.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
That's almost considered a run anymore in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So it really it's really confusing when you look at
just the runs past stats. It's a complete pass and
against six yards on that's that's a run because you're
you're throwing it. You get two blockers to beat three defenders,
and you're gonna get six yards.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
That's a that's a win.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It is. John is a great point.

Speaker 14 (21:47):
Great point.

Speaker 13 (21:48):
One more thing about the defense. I think a lot
of the problems with the defense. Jerry Montgomery, the defensive
line coaches a disaster with the Patriots last year. They're
giving up two fewer yards per play this year than
they did last year when he's the D line coach.
He was also the D line coach at the Green
Bay Packers in twenty nineteen when they will gass at
ten yards to carry in the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
I'm just as you guys said.

Speaker 13 (22:10):
The defensive line looked drunk out there, like they wouldn't
even recognize what was taking place at John.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
With that, we've reached the top of the hour.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Break.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Really appreciate the call. He's Bruce Caserski. This is Chick Ludwig.
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Speaker 2 (23:50):
It will break it down the Bengals thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
To thirty eight loss to the New York Jets at
pay Corp Stadium like a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 2 (24:28):
The Bengals led this game.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Thirty one to sixteen after three quarters, and then they
get outscored twenty three to seven in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
I've seen things happen.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
You know, at the end of the game, you know
you're back against the wall, you're down by that many points.
You open it up to say, we gotta throw caution
to the wind. If there's a chance, we got to
just throw caution to the wind and attack, attack, attack.
But I've also seen defenses make it a lot more
difficult than that. I don't know how many times, I
guess you can count maybe in under ten in the

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last decade. How many teams have scored that many points
in one quarter when they're down in it?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
When they have, they struggled really all game.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
And the wild swings this year Bruce with the thirty
eight point blowout loss at Minnesota forty eight to ten,
the most lopsided loss in Bengal's history, and then today
easily one of the most disappointing, upsetting, and embarrassing losses
that I could think of in memory.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I know sometimes it's hard to find the right thing,
to do, the right solution, but there are times there
are very often, all too often with this team, it
seems like they don't have a solution. They can't they
can't find one, whether it's physically or whether it's schematically,
to stop whatever is hurting them. And today they couldn't
stop the run and they couldn't stop the past. After

(25:54):
the first quarter, again, I thought, the first quarter, I'm yelling,
I'm talking to all the Bengals greats that were sitting around.
I mean, I thought, you know, who is this team?
Who is this defense? And then all of a sudden
second quarter started. It was a different team.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
All we heard about all week was putting the boot
on the throat of this team and crushing them early
and crushing their spirit early. But they kept fighting back
in the Bengals let them hang around and hang around.
The defense got soft and twenty three points in the
fourth quarter, and they shocked the Bengals thirty nine to

(26:28):
thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
It looked like the Jets just got off the bus. Yeah,
you know they didn't. They didn't get off the bus
the first quarter, the second quarter, turn around, and all
of a sudden that they're, all of a sudden, they're
a whole different team.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
They missed a fourth and inches first down, they go
for it deepen their own territory.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Don't get it.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
The Bengals capitalize on that score a touchdown, go up
ten to nothing. And you heard Dan Hord during the broadcast,
he disagreed with several of Aaron Glenn's calls. Now they're
on the plus side of the fifty and they kicked
the field goal. They're all the minus side of the fifty.
They go forward on fourth and one and don't get it.
So but the combination of their field goals, their touchdowns,

(27:08):
they're two point conversions. And then the Bengals offense breaking
down late in this game, and add it all up
and it's uh, the Bengals fall really nine to thirty eight?
What a difference one point makes.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I was on an on seventeen and you can't find
the right thing you You're searching and searching and searching.
Seems like everything you do goes wrong. It's always somebody's
turned to mess it up. And that's what happened late
in that game. We just we couldn't find enough defense
to get on the field.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Do we have Penny in Middletown?

Speaker 16 (27:40):
I got a question on a Monday explain, Okay, all right,
I'm crushing the spirits. Well, come on. I don't understand
how many times I've seen Zach Taylor first play the game,
We're going for the touchdown, you know, the guys they
want to make it. Did once he said, oh no,

(28:01):
let's just kick a field goal. I mean, it's the
beginning game, there's no points. Why not go for it
or there to go for it? And I don't understand
tim and time again that he all.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
Kicked the field goal.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
I think not.

Speaker 16 (28:19):
Sending the right message to the players.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Sometimes I wonders their shocked that he's going that.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But there are other times though where he does go
forward on fourth down. But anyway, first and ten at
the twelve yard line, and then we got to the
eight yard line, we got to the show, go ahead,
say kick the field goal. You end up going up
ten to nothing in this game, penny seventeen to three,
twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, and thirty

(28:46):
eight to twenty.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Four with ten and a half minutes to go.

Speaker 16 (28:50):
If you lose, well, in my mind, hey, I would
have went for the first one, even though little risk.
That would have won the game. So I just I
questioned Zach.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I, you deserve he deserves up scrutiny, he deserves Guess
what it goes along with being the head coach. You
know you're you're right when it works out good and
you're wrong when it doesn't work out.

Speaker 16 (29:20):
For the team.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You're constantly you're constantly getting second guests on your play selection.
Why did he run the ball on that third or
that second down at the end of the game when
they needed a first down and uh in the two
minute offense type of thing, and they've been running to
successfully all day. So you're going to get second guests
As a coach you. It's kind of built into the
job description, and so is getting fired. So's at some

(29:45):
point that's the nature of the beasts. You don't plan
on living in a in a neighborhood forever, because when
you're in that business, there are no things, is for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Can he thanks so much for the call. Appreciate it,
all right, thank you, thank you, hate you. We have
Chef Boyard on the line.

Speaker 14 (30:03):
Chef hey, Check, it's it's Shape Boyard.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
All right, all right, Shafe, good to hear from me,
but good to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Check.

Speaker 14 (30:15):
Hey, first of all, drops to laugh and leaf and Lamar.
I just want to give a mad preach to both
of those guys. But hey, man, I'm a thirty year
old season ticket holder. I've had season tickets for five years.
I worked really hard for these tickets, man, and they
are not cheap. Every year more expensive. It starts at

(30:38):
eight hundred dollars a seat, and it goes to nine hundred,
it's thousand dollars, and this year is twelve hundred dollars
a seat, and I just I just want to know, man, like,
what incentive is there for me to renew these season
tickets with the results on the field. I mean, what
are Katie Toy and Mark Dylan to make us want

(31:02):
to believe in this team after today?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Even even if they had won on there, How are
they going to advance to the playoffs with this defense?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I truly believe that they're trying their very best. But
once you put the players on the field, you can't
do anything from the front office. You know, as a coach,
you call the plays. You can't do anything on the field.
Once the plays called. All the work has done before
the game to play, the game plan, the the way

(31:35):
you're going to tack a team on offense and the
way you're going to tackle a team on defense, and
the players have to go out and make plays. And
uh my, my only of contention with that the defense
is after that first quarter when we had the lead
and it looked like all of a sudden things got soft.
Now did the Jets make changes?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Maybe?

Speaker 17 (31:56):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
But then we have to CounterPunch. That's the whole nature
of the Beast football is counterpunching. You make a change,
we make a change, you do something that works, we
stop it, and we make you go back to do
something else. I know, as a coach, offensive coach and
play caller for a long period of time. There's no
perfect defense. You can't stop everything. You just have to

(32:17):
guess properly and do your best on those plays where
they get you where they where they guess, I'll guess you.
You have to make a play. And that's what great
teams do. They make great plays when they really should
have gotten beat on it, and we're just not making
plays at all, let alone great plays.

Speaker 14 (32:36):
Well, I'll tell you what they did. So the Bengals
had these invoices drawn up right, and so for season
ticket holders at they had these invoices ready to go,
And as soon as we beat the Steelers last Thursday,
they sent them out to the season ticket holders. And
so now we have until October thirty first to renew
our season tickets. So, you know, tell me what would

(32:57):
I do as a season ticket holder between now and
next Friday. You know, I have to make a decision.
Am I going to spend you know, twenty four hundred
dollars on season tickets? And it's just the product isn't there.
And I'm so conflicted. I want to invest in this
team that I want them to invest in me, and
it is it is very difficult as a season ticket

(33:20):
holder of what would you do.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's purely a crap shoot in terms of.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
The coaches and the players matching with the coaches and
making it work. The front office is gonna hire people.
They're going to hire people based on recommendations. They're going
to put the head coach in a position to your
job depends on the people you hire. And if you
hire bad people, you hire people that can't get the
job done, then then we have to make a decision.
And I trust that front office they're thinking about how

(33:46):
they can fix this from that perspective, but I I
in terms of what you see on the field, the
only way you can change and let them know your
thoughts is to to make that executive decision and say,
I'm going to leave my season tickets for when you
get good again.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I'll wait.

Speaker 14 (34:05):
But then and there's a waiting list, and it's just
like a shoot. I just missed that, and.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
So and so they got you, they got you, And
I'm not promoting. I'm not promoting turning season tickets. And
because I'm a huge fan myself and I've been up
and down with this team forever, I had season tickets, I.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Gave him up. I got them back again.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I gave him up because of my my occupation, and
and and there there are times I wish I had
them back because I love the Bengals, I love the organization.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
It's just, uh. You know, when from the.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Top down you hire a head coach, he puts his
people in in in uh in line. They get players
and they coach them with the best they can. And
either the players aren't making plays, or some of the
coaches aren't up to this, to the job in shape.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
We've got to run.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Appreciate the call as always, Nanks, Chick, thank you, and
he's Bruce Kazerski. This is Chick Ludwig. We're live at
the Beachmont Wings and five o nine Ohio Pike, and
you're listening to the Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports
Talk presented by RNL carriers five one, three, seven, four nine,
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(35:12):
This is the place to vent. The Bengals lose to
the New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight on
seven hundred WLW and ESPN fifteen thirty. You're listening to
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(35:33):
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loss to the New York Jets. And we are live
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(35:54):
you've got an entourage here, I do.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, who's who's all here?

Speaker 4 (35:59):
My wife is.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Sitting over there, my oldest son, Matt, his son Gavin,
little Bruchie over here, he's my youngest one of my
my youngest grandson, my son Adam, his wife Brittany, Matt
and Bryce for good friends of the family. So yeah,
they're all out the joy at Enjoy Show and some
wing great great wings here, so they came out to
join some food and some fun.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
You were at the game with a bunch of your Bengals.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Uh yeah, we're all down there to watch the lap
and and and Lamar going into the the Ring of Honor,
and it was it was a great Saturday night at
the stadium. And then it was really nice to meet
those guys again talking around on the field about and
limping around all those old guys.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
But then you know, watching the game in the same
section with Jim McNally and all those guys really a
great time. We had fun. But sitting watching the game
is just like first quarter, I said, it was Tom, guys,
who are these guys? Look how well they're playing. And
then the second quarter turned around. It was like, okay,
here we go. Now we got an experiment. Now we
got a one one play at a time. We don't
know what you're gonna expect. Flip a coin.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
And then the fourth quarter came and I just what
you guys are going through watching this?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Well, I got a ride coming, my son picked up,
but my wife I'm up at the stadium, so we'd
have to park and find traffic, and so we scored.
We left as soon as they scored that touchdown went
up at fourteen?

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Was that ten men? Mark chick?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And by the time we got to the concourse down
outside walking the concourse to go out to the main road,
the Jets scored again, got two point conversion. Now they're
down by six. By the time we got in the
car and I'm started up to cutting the hill in
north of Kentucky, they were.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Losing and for me to get here, I had to
leave shortly after the third quarter ended. So I'm listening
to the game. Yeah, Lap and Dan Horne. Hear the
stress and laps voice, could you? Yes, you really couldn't
believe it? Yes, you couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Making my way here from the Miamisburg War room.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yes, but yeah, I love listening to Lap and Dan Horde.
But just yeah, the fourth quarter, you know, and I
mentioned it earlier. As bad as the defense play aid
down the stretch in this game, the offense didn't help
them late with a three and out and then a
meltdown on the very final drive when they only needed

(38:09):
twenty plus yards to kick a possible game winning field goal.
But it should never have come down to that against.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
The Jets, any defense along the road, One more punt
and they had. They forced several punts, but not when
the game.

Speaker 18 (38:25):
Not.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Once the offense started clicking and the Bengals defense was
like flat, they were lost. They didn't know whether a
pass or a run was coming because their their runs
were going for just as many yards as their passes were.
I mean they had five runs or four runs over
twenty five yards. They had the passing game was working
real well, and Justin Fields had a career day when

(38:47):
he was you know, under the gun from his owner.
His owner is saying, we got the worst quarterback in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well, Bruce, let's review the delivery of the game, brought
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(39:15):
to three advantage.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
He put a double move on him, He gave him
a little hitch move and then went right by him
and the defensive back was immediately three steps behind T
and that was game over. Jege did a great job
just laying it out there. Let him go get it.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's exactly right, is Josh with us in Corbin?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yes, guys, Hey, thank you for second mccollins.

Speaker 17 (39:36):
First off, talking to you, and also it's an honor
to speak to mister Bruce Bozerski number sixty four. Wow
right here, that pretty pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 17 (39:49):
So yes, so we're driving back from the game. I'm
almost back to Corbin. You know, I my thoughts that
this is not a personnel problem them.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
Now at this point.

Speaker 17 (40:02):
I mean, it is the personnel problem at this point.
This is our coaches, our our front office. They bring
the players in, they evaluate them. We've got all this
going on, but now here we are. You know, I
don't think we're looking at our defense. Our offense has
been great for his ten quarters. There's nothing to do
with our quarter.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
With our offense.

Speaker 17 (40:23):
But here's the thing. If you have a bunch of
me out there, you can coach me, and you can
teach me where to get in the right position. But
because you recruited Josh, he's not going to make the tackle.
I might know where to be at, but it don't
matter how much I know, we don't have the correct personnel.
And until the personnel on the defensive side is added

(40:44):
to and changed, unfortunately, we are not going to be
able to compete on the defensive side.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
I know we've got a few hurt, but we this,
you know.

Speaker 17 (40:54):
And I know Zach, and our front office is the
one that brings the players in.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
That's already a done deal. They can only coach up
so much of what they got. But guess what, we're
stuck with what we got unless we.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Make some trades.

Speaker 17 (41:06):
But this is all you know, we are personnel defensively
is not where we need to coach that got what
he wanted. We're loaded offensively. The offensive line is starting
to mesh. We're creating holes. They have been creating holes.
But uh, we've got to if there's not changes, is

(41:26):
a personnel. Uh you know, Logan Wilson wasn't the answer.
You know, Cam Britt changing him. We're looking for all
of these quick fixes. It's not the coaching. And and
I really I don't I don't think it is the coaching.
As far as making the right plays.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Right, it comes down to personnel.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It comes down to heaving yetner players and exactly they
just don't they don't have it right now. Grab grab, grab,
That's all Cam Taylor British doing in the defensive back
the is With that, Yeah, with that, we've reached the
bottom of the hour.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Break. We've got to run.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
We appreciate call Chick Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski. You're listening
to the Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame Sports Talk presented
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Speaker 2 (42:18):
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
It fell down here.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You're listening to the tri Stage Chevy Dealers. Postgame sports
Talk presented by RNL carriers Chick Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski.
We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
oh nine, Ohio Pike breaking down the Bengals loss to
the New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
It's still.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's still hard to believe that the Bengals just led
this game really throughout, but they let the Jets hang
around and this became a trap meet and breaking the
tape first. The New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight, incredible,
and they had played five of their seven losses were
by one score, two points to Pittsburgh, two points to

(43:13):
Tampa Bay, six to the Miami Dolphins, two to the
Denver Broncos, a seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers,
and they were bound to win at some point.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I just didn't want it to be today.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Here's the amazing thing to me is the Jets came
in with a pretty good reputation on defense. Those are
some pretty good offenses that they kept the game closed
for and we were going up and down the field scoring.
It was the other side of the ball, the justin
fields offense that had trouble moving and that's why they
were under so much pressure for management and from the city.
And they're having a hard time questions should the coach

(43:47):
be fired? And that management says, it's not the coach's fault.
We got the worst rate quarterback in the NFL, and
now they're moving the ball up and down the field
on us. That was the part that you just can't accept.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Hey, let's go out to the fones. Welcome in?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Is it John in Cedarville? Is John there?

Speaker 4 (44:10):
John?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Yes, sir, I will be recorded the game, can you guys?

Speaker 10 (44:15):
Hear me?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yes? Yes we can.

Speaker 19 (44:18):
Hey, uh wow, where.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
Do we begin?

Speaker 19 (44:23):
I don't know which fill is worse today's loss or
last year's patre At loss, but I think they ranked
probably about in the same category. And uh, defensively for
the Cincinnati Bengals today, he's four thirty eight points. Uh
in a game you're expected to win that game, I believe,

(44:47):
and I don't know. That line is scream me defensively
sideline the sideline, and it seems like they're they're not posting,
and they're not getting flow and stopping the wide runs left.

Speaker 15 (45:04):
And right, And I don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
It lacks leadership.

Speaker 19 (45:10):
And I don't know why Logan Wilson didn't on the
field defensively every play. Even if you want to play
your young rookies, why not go to a three to
four on certain calls and offensively of that last series
with Flaco, you don't have time to drive the ball away.
He got two of the premier receivers in the NFL.

(45:33):
You send them on streaks. If you need twenty yards,
you get twenty yards, and you kick the pig, you
win the ball game. There's no excuse for that. I
don't know why Joe went in the locker room. I
never did hear what was.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It was a shoulder issue.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It was a shoulder issue on his sack and John
we got to run. Appreciate the call. It's it is
a mystery. There was a time where a receiver from
the Jets in the slot goes out. It just does
a like a down and out and was a Josh
Newton fig who just kind of let him go and

(46:10):
he stayed.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Where he was in the zone and that's where the
ball went.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
That's what I was referring to as a soft coverage.
You just can't imagine how how all of a sudden
you know you're backing out. It's almost a prevent. It
looked almost a prevent that tests and in terms of
the quality losses. The first game last year against the Patriots,
you had no idea how bad they were.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
You know, you did?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
You know the Jets zero and seven? You you got
an offense that's going up and down the field. You
got to play some defense that that just can't happen.
And and uh, I've seen it, been part of been
part of it. It's unexplainable. You walk in the locker
room the next day, what the heck just happened? And
all you can do, if you're if you're legitimate about
fixing the problem is looking in the mirror, say it's

(46:53):
not that guy.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
It's not that guy's me.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I'm doing something wrong, and find your weaknesses because right
now they're not going to fix it.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
The way the doing it?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do we have Mike and Cherry Grove? Yeah, guys, do
you hear me?

Speaker 17 (47:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (47:08):
Hey, how you doing Hey?

Speaker 20 (47:11):
Just a couple of points. We were gassing them on
the ground. I mean, p Ryan, what nine carries for
ninety nine yards? Cases Brown looked good? That second to
last possession you need to control the ball and run
the cloth and we throw three straight passes for incompletion.

(47:31):
I don't understand that. And then on the last possession
when you gotta go down the field, they did run
a running play for no game.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Zach Taylor goes away from the running game even when
it's successful. I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I think every time you every time an NFL offense
goes to the line of scrimmage, there's two or three
plays that have been called. You call one play. But
with that play, that's why you practice all week. That's
why the NFL playbook is so thick. There's there's two
plays with it. Maybe if you call a running play,
it might be a different running play based on what
the defense gives you, or it might be a check

(48:08):
to a pass, and so whatever whatever happens, whatever they've
been given the play is called, it turned into something.
It turned into a pass on that last series. The
one time they tried to run it they got they
got zero yardage. I thought in that situation, with the
time running out, they should have thrown it on that situation.
But again, well, Monday morning quarterback. The play selection is

(48:31):
is is a second guest that that I've lived with
for a long time.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Coaching the way I did.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
But but the NFL, Uh, it's just you can't all
of a sudden stop executing right.

Speaker 20 (48:43):
Well, that's what happened is Ryan was running like a
beat you got you got at least run run on.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
First down, on your second possessions. You've got to control
the car and get the ball down the field. And
I don't know why they didn't do it. Secondly, the
guy calling about keeping tickets or not. My daughter has
season tickets. I talked to her after the game.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
She was miserable.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
They found out that their tickets are going six dollars
next year. Now I just don't see where the investment
is for the team. And the last thing I wanted
to say, this game could have been the NFL sixth
game of the week. Somebody made a lot of money
off this game, thank you.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
In terms of in terms of putting the quality product
on the field. That's the coaches in this organization have
never had more more freedom to pick the players that
they want. We've got a new defensive coordinator with the
new defensive line coach and a new linebacker coach and
all those people that come along with it. Their job
is to get the best out of those players within
the system and execute their talent with what they have

(49:49):
because you can't wholesale change an entire defense at one time.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Uh, they're not.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
They're not getting it out of those guys right now,
and something has to change. Like Chick's been saying all
that long, they got couple of defensive backs that that
won't that won't tackle hard enough. I won't h anybody
hard enough to get out of the paper bag. And
that's been going on all year long. And then they
got other some some guys that are playing their butt
off back there. So you know, it seems like and
water is always gonna run downhill in the NFL. They're

(50:16):
always going to tackle your weak spot, and everybody coach,
every team that comes in here knows what your week's
weaknesses are. If you can't cover them up for a
long period of time. You're gonna get beat, Bruce.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
All fans want their team to win. Okay, So when it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Comes to season tickets for going to the ballpark, I
say the same thing to Reds fans. You are seeing
some of the greatest athletes in the world win or
lose on the football field.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So you have to love the game.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yes, you love the Bengals, but to see some of
the greatest athletes in the world on one stage, to me,
it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
The entertainment value, win or lose again, it's it's exceptional.
The show has never been better at this the pregame,
the post game, the in between, all the different highlights
that go on around the stadium. It's a it's a
show for eight hours on a Sunday afternoon. Great way
to take the family down there. Uh right now, we
all live and die with wins and losses, and that's

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just the nature of the Beast. We want to we
want to go through a drive through and be the
be be through in a minute. And when you're sitting
in line for two minutes, you're upset, you know, and
you want to get your coffee and you want to go,
and you don't want the lady in front of you
who didn't order online to order and order a box
of donuts you want to get. You know she's gonna
order a hand pick her twelve doughnuts and it takes
your twenty minutes to get through the drive through.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
We all want things faster. Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
You know, Zach's had Zax has some time here, and
he's got his offense. And then Joe gets hurt, so
he gets Joe Flacco after three weeks of uh legitimately
horrible offense, and and then they get Joe Flacco going,
and he's making this thing, whole thing work. God love
Joe Flacco. He's even running the ball on occasion big situations.

(51:58):
But the defense that they have to play better. They
just have to play better, and there's ways to do it. Uh,
coach to the ability of the players. You got and
call and call things at work. I don't think I
saw what's they They brought a corner one time.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
They brought Cam Taylor Brett nearly got to him. Yeah,
it's speaking of coffee. I do have my coffee, I've
got my computer.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
All I need is you. I'm with Bruce out.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
There anybody out there not sure checks drinking coffee twenty
four to seven.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Just listen to the show.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Hey you are.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
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(52:53):
Dealers postgame sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers. He's Bruce Kazerski.
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And the Wings, Burger, sandwiches, salads, appetizers, drink specials, wings
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York Jets today and man, it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Hurts, Bruce, it really hurts.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Well, let's go over the and highlight the drive of
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And to me, the drive of the game for the
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(54:12):
one mark of the fourth quarter, Chase Brown with a
one yard run. It completed the seventh place seventy three
yard drive that gave the Bengals what seemed like at
the time an insurmountable thirty eight to twenty four lead.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
But no, the uh.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
The New York Jets scored twenty three points in the
fourth quarter, outscoring the Bengals twenty three to seven on
their way to this one point thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I can almost hear I can almost hear a lap
up there warming up the bam, bam bam. I can
almost hear them getting ready to say it. And then
by the time we got to the truck, they were
By the time we got to the car, they were behind.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Just uh incredible, Yes, and uh hey, let's go out
to the phones. Do we have Craig in l Pass Oh?
Who is in Texas?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, is Craig Craig there?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Okay, how about Tim and Columbus?

Speaker 21 (55:14):
Yes, I was at the game and I had to
drive back to Columbus. I made it home safely to Uh,
I had the time to cool down. Oh yeah, So
it all comes down to talent evaluation and Duke Tobin
and that front office has shown they have a track record.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
They don't have the talent on defense period. We can't.

Speaker 21 (55:37):
We can't sugarcoat that and say they have the talent.
They just not write positions. No, they don't have the talent.
A defensive line is atrociers, Jenkins, McKinley wants his name,
Jamar Stewart. They got to put dresses on all of them.
They can't touch the quarterback. And until the Bengals front
office Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Troy until they changed the

(56:00):
ways cash versus cap. They are going to continue to struggle.
And my concern is a fan, and my frustration is
they are pissing away a generational talent and Joe Burrow,
Jamar Chase key Higgins a plarific offense and they're pissing
it away. And that's not purely aggravating me. Duke Tobin

(56:20):
needs to be humiliated publicly. And I said the people
around me before I left the stadium, if they see
him out in public anywhere, please let him know.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
For me, that's that's enough there. From Tim and Columbus.
You have to give Duke Tobin credit for getting the
trade with the Cleveland Browns to bring in Joe Flacco.
Can we give him a little bit of props for
that because they could have brought in any number of people,

(56:49):
but they centered on the right guy and the Cleveland
Browns they were able to pull off that trade.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
So give him a little bit of credit there.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
But this defense, they need better players, as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
There's always so much there's only so much money to
go around their salary caps and we're we're very close
to it, if not at it, you know, uh Zach
Taylor made a choice.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
He's he's invested in.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and t Higgins and and
uh and all of his fan and and Chase uh
in the backfield and and uh. And then they had
the hardest guy to get under under signed was was Henderson.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
And Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
They thought that'd be all right, But I mean, I'm
not sure what I was watching during preseason. I thought
I saw the same same kind of stuff. You know,
their offense would would move the ball, and then they
turned it over on due to defense. And uh they
got run gaping runs up the middle and great passes
over the top. And you know, I'm just nothing changed
from the from the time where they they were practicing

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with these guys that weren't here anymore to the time
they're playing with the guys who are. So I it's
just harder as time goes by to see the the
sh by'reing to the wall. So both sides of the
ball have really good talent, and then coaches come in
and somehow not being able to get the most out
of their players.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
The New York Jets rolled up five hundred and two
offensive yards to the Bengals three ninety eight. They had
real balance here. The Jets did two forty eight passing
to the Bengals two seventeen and two hundred and fifty
four rushing yards to the Bengals onet eighty one.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
So the Bengals awesome running the ball.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
And the Jets just torch them, trample them for two
fifty four. And the Jets ran twelve more plays in
the Bengals seventy to fifty eight. And they hogged the
ball for thirty three minutes and forty seconds to the
Bengals twenty six to twenty and four running plays of
twenty five plus yards. Bruce Kezerski a fifty, a thirty five,

(58:52):
a twenty seven, and a twenty five.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
That's having a bad day. I mean, I don't care
whether you're playing the early part of the ball game
or whether you're playing in the fourth quarter where you
can afford to left team gain chunks yards. But chunk
plays like that they can't happen in the run. They
cannot happen in the run. I'd be one of the
bet that that earlier in that ballgame, the Jets had
just as many tackle for a lost plays that the

(59:17):
Bengals made in their backfield as we had the whole
rest of the ball game. I mean we didn't. We
didn't get in the backfield. We didn't tackle him for
a loss. We barely tackled him.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I want to give some props here to some ran
Oh my goodness, he's got to get more involved in
the in the offense. He's a warrior, just a tremendous
and he was one of the few that talked to
Lap afterwards in the locker room and an absolute prince.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And so there's a there's a lesson learned in that one.
They let him go because he wanted a little bit
more money in his new contract, and they realized just
how much they missed him in those third and passing
situations where he wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That's right, he mean with the Broncos and he was
with the Chiefs, and they finally bring you back in
and but he still has Yeah, he still has life
left in those legs.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I think I was sad to see him go, and
I'm so happy that he's back. He's a tremendous addition
and great asset in the backfield. They need to do
the same thing on the other side of the ball,
And like I said, I don't know how much money
there is with the money's tied.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Up on offense, samajp Ry nine rushes for ninety four
yards ten point four long gain of thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
He had a touchdown run.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
And Chase Brown twelve carries for seventy three yards six
point one a carry and twenty a twenty two yard run,
So twenty three carries a buck eighty one. They rushed
for an average of seven point nine yards per rush.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
That's a that's a fantastic day, I mean, and when
we even even in the heyday, when we were running
the ball, leading league and rushing, that was a hell
of a day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
But you know, for the Bengals, the way they ran
the ball in the first five or six weeks, that
is a miracle. Now all of a sudden, we can't
stop the run, we can't stop the pass. And so
but again, if you look back the preseason, that's the
way it was. If you look back in the early
part of the season, the offense was playing so poorly
after Joe got hurt, that you didn't pay attention to
how badly the defense was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Thirty seven carries for the Jets two hundred and fifty
four yards a buck, thirty three for Breese Hall, sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Five for as Isaiah Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Justin Fields rushed eleven times for thirty one yards, but
all so calculated, got some first downs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
And that Isaiah Williams one carry for twenty five yards,
so two fifty four just just brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Field's had his back to the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
He makes some big two in three yard runs if
you ask me, I mean he really did. And uh,
he made some big throws, but sometimes they weren't even
that difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I mean were so wide open.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
He made some scramble with throws, but they were so
wide open at times it was hard to miss them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Incredible. Hey, we've reached the top of the seven o'clock
hour break. We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings
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Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
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Tri State Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers.
This is Chick Ludwig and I'm alongside Bengals legendary offensive
lineman Bruce Kazerski. We're breaking down the bengals thirty nine
to thirty eight loss to the New York Jets at

(01:03:52):
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And if you can't be here in person, feel free
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a couple of chick Magnets in the house. My good
buddy Jim Mallott works at Kemba Credit Union and his
bride Mary Alice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Thank you for being chick Magnets tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Awesome, but yeah, disappointing, I said at the top of
the show. Easily one of the most disappointing, upsetting losses,
embarrassing losses in Bengals history, because the Jets were zero
to seven coming in here today and it was the
Ring of Honor game honoring the great Dave Lapham fifty

(01:05:00):
years with this franchise as a player and as a broadcaster,
does a phenomenal job is the color analyst on the
Bengals Radio Network with the play by play voice of
the Bengals, Stan Hoarde and Leaping Lamar Parish number twenty.
Oh my goodness, the most explosive, exciting player in Bengals history,

(01:05:21):
finally getting honored. He's in the Black College Football Hall
of Fame. I would love to see him bookend with
Ken Riley in Canton.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
I believe he should be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
He's unbelievable that the athletic ability, and you think about
the timeframe he came into the league. He had never
played that position in his life, and Paul Brown makes
him a defensive back and he turns into one of
the top three or four maybe to ever play the game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
And then have thirteen non offensive returns whether the interception
funnel returns or kickoff punt returns for touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Amazing, Just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Go on YouTube, Google up leap In Lamar Parrish and
just just a phenomenal, phenomenal player and a great friend.
I still stay in touch with a lot of the
Bengals and Lumps, including.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Leap And yeah, they had a great reception. Uh last
night at the stadium. It was nice to see all
the people turn out. A lot of the lot of
the fans were there, but a lot of the players
were there and and really enjoyed the conversation, the memories
and listen to those guys talk about it, and uh
talk about their their favorite moments, their favorite plays, are
their best games. You know, Moore had a ninety yard

(01:06:30):
punt return for a touchdown and a fumble return for
a touchdown. He said, that wasn't even close to my
best game, you know, in the same game. And you
know he was that he was that good and that
well known and that colorful with his outfits. He brought
flash to the to the organization and it was really
great to hear him. And then of course lap we
love lay. He's one of the brotherhood. When the offensive lineman,

(01:06:50):
you know, Jim McNally uh got inducted into the Profoble
Hall of Fame this year, Canton, and so we all
went up there and it was great, all the all
the the brotherhood that we had played with an including
laugh it was it was great to be the part
of that. And and uh man, he's just he's just
one of the one of the kind, one of the kind.
At fifty years in the same the passion that he has.

(01:07:11):
You can hear it every time he calls a game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
The brilliance and the the brilliance of Paul Brown to
have the wherewithal to see a player in college and
then put him in a position in the in the
National Football League, like a Ken Riley a quarterback at
Florida A and M making him a corner and then

(01:07:34):
seeing leap and Lamar is a running back and putting
him at the other at the other corner.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You could have very easily seen him as as the
best receiver of his time. That guy could runk if
he was, He could fly, he could he could shake
you out of your boots, and he can catch anything.
His athletic ability was second to maybe none.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
And you told a story here off the air about
Paul Brown watching you long snap.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I walked in as a rookie and not knowing anybody,
and I'm after practicing one another training camp day. It
was actually a minicamp day, and uh, I didn't know anybody.
I didn't even know he knew who my name, and
I'm snapping for for punts and uh, the ball was wobbly.
It was a little bit bigger than it was in college,
and so it was wobbly, and uh, he stood right

(01:08:24):
there watching me, watching, didn't say word. Then all the
study said, Bruce with your left hand about half inch
up the ball, okay, sir, And nothing but spirals the
rest of the way. I mean, just those little things
are It's amazing to see because I don't know how
many snaps he made his career, you know what I'm saying.
I don't think Paul Brown was a long snapper one
time in his career, but he knew how to coach
those little, little tiny techniques like that, and that was

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a simple thing. You imagine taking a guy like Lamar
out of college and making him the best defensive back
they ever played for the organization and not in the
Hall of Fame yet. I don't know something he did
something with the with the conference, with the league and
the and everybody. But the people devote on that, really
they'd better take a look at themselves, because Lamar should
be in, Kenny Anderson should be in, Max Montoya should
be in.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I mean, the list goes on and on and on. Right, Yeah,
let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
And even Tommy Casanova told me that Paul Brown would
stand on the sidelines in absolute awe.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Of Lamar Lamar.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, but there was a conflict there with he wanted
a little bit more money.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
And now you know how money gets in the way
of a lot of a lot of decisions. And that's
not only in the Bengals organization, that's around the league.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
And uh yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Teams he burned, Washington and Buffalo, that's who we played.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
For the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Hey, you know what, Yes, when you're in you're pitcher
and you're committed to Cincinnati and you beat the Reds
with a shutout, that's where the Reds want to get
on their staff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
And the receiver did that for years, right, we get Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Seaver for a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Yeah, Hey, let's uh, let's review before we go back
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of letting justin fields with a keeper going straight ahead,
they pitched the ball to Reese Hall and he got
he got stopped by Barrett Carter. Bengals takeover on downs
on the plus side of the field, drive it into
the end zone for a ten to nothing lead. You know,
there's that was their window of this is an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
You're really when you study so much film, you say,
this is what they're gonna do in this situation. We
have a great opportunity to make a chunk play instead
of just getting the first down. This is what they saw.
They said, this is how the Bengals are going to
play this. It's we'll get the yard, but we can
really take a shot on a chunk play right here
if we run this pitch play and we did something different.

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We made the play in the backfield was a really
nice play, and they didn't it the first time. We
went back and scored. And that's just the way offensive
coordinators and the think tanks put their plays together.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
They got a they got there's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
A thousand plays or five hundred plays on their call
sheet and they're only so time specific. I've got to
have the right situation, but boy, if I get it,
I'm not gonna miss the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Hey, we've got to take another break when we come back,
we're gonna take your calls. We've got Mike and Steve
and Mark and Mike Glenn and Bill Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
We appreciate your patience. Please hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five o
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postgame sports Talk presented by RNL carriers Chick Ludwig alongside
Bengals legend Bruce Kazerski. Bengals lose today thirty nine to
thirty eight to the New York Jets. And now, Bruce,
you're in that locker room after the game, a one
point loss, man, What is going through your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I'll tell you what. I've seen some bad ones. The
worst one I was ever part of, if you asked me,
was the one the name we lost to San Francisco.
We had a uh, we had a lead and uh
it was fourth down at our thirty yard line and
Sam watch want I wanted to go for it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Run the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
There was eight seconds left. He figured we'd run sweep
the clock could be would be over in the game
of the over, and they hit James Brooks in the
backfield for a loss. Had three seconds left on the clock,
and they threw one play to Jerry Rice in the
corner of the end zone. Then we lost the game.
And before before they even kicked the extra point to
take the lead, Sam ran across and sugar Bill WASH's hand.

(01:12:50):
I remember that, oh, I remember. And when we went
to the locker room after that game, it was the
Sam Sam said to the whole team, he said, this
was a this is the one one of the worst
losses have ever been a part of. And we lost
it because you guys lost your composure thought I thought
half the team was gonna rip him apart, and it

(01:13:11):
was hard to get to get the control back. The
rest of that season, we lost games. I mean, we
invented a ways of losing game. We were three and
thirteen that year, and we had to lead in most
of them because we were saying the next year, we
showed up and said, listen, we got a we got
an opportunity to be special.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
And we went to the Super Bowl that year ago,
they almost got rid of Sam almost year they almost
said yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
But you bounced back and got to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
We walked in the training camp, had a meetings the guys.
We found ways to lose. We can't do that again.
You know, we're very talented. We just need to take
care of our business. Had a top rated offense, we
had a better than average a defense at fifteen or
fourteen ranked defense.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
And that's good things happen. Do you stop people, you
win games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Let's go out to the phones and welcome in Mike
and Sincy. Ay, Mike, are you there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
Yes, I am, Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
Well, every week we talk about atrocious tackling, and so
I've got something for the fan based uponder about tackling.
So if you're a if you're a great tackler in college,
and they'll say you're a great tackler in space. In college,
you you know how to break down, how to hit,
rap and tackle somebody. Do you suddenly become a terrible

(01:14:26):
tackler in the NFL?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
So, I mean I disagree with you, chick wholeheartedly. This
This is solely on the director of player of personnel
for the Bengals who's been into the position for twenty
five years and has missed on so many draft mits
over the years. I just don't think that they know
how to evaluate talent directly. Now, my seven year old

(01:14:51):
grandson to the draft, So Burro Jathan Higgins, that's that's
that's aportant one conclusion. But the trick is to draft
guys who are flying under the radar screen that really
know how to play serious football.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
And that's where the Bengals come.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
They come up short every season on both sides of
the ball, but right now it's learningly obvious on the
defensive side of the ball because all we talk about
every week, you guys do the same thing is what
terrible tacklers they are. So you tell me, Bruce, if
you're a great tackler in college, do you suddenly become
a terrible tackler in the NFL? Is the game that

(01:15:29):
much quicker that you can't adjust? Because I don't think
that you could take a guy that maybe came as
a rookie and doesn't really know where he's supposed to
be on the field. You can teach a guy how
to be in space where he's supposed to be. But
I don't think you could teach a guy to be
a great tackler. You're either a great tackler or you're not.
And that's a major problem that the Bengals have had.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
For many years.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
And I think it falls on Duke Covins ed in
his right, MI evaluates talents. I'm going out of all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Right, Yeah, let's uh, let Bruce address this a couple
of things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
You know, guys coming out of college, they're they're ambitious,
they want to make the NFL, and so they they
play their best football. And then sometimes they get to
the NFL and they realize, you know what, I'm here,
I don't have to I don't those those running backs
are big, you know, those linemen coming around the corner,
they're not They're not two hundred and eighty pounds anymore.
They're they're three hundred and forty pounds, and and they
run like a four or five or a non four

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or five, but a five two forty.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
They're conn come.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Around here and they're gonna run me over. You know,
maybe I just want to arm tackle. I don't want
to break mar And before you know it, you're not
what you were a couple of years older, a couple
of years smarter. You stick your head in there, you
get concussions, and before you know it, you're you're not
willing to do that again. And some some of it's that,
some of it is is tackling, some of it's some
of it's the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
There's no doubt about it. Something it is the drafting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
But again, if you're gonna pay great players, the Bengals
have chosen to spend the money on the offensive side
of the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
They barely got hutchet hucking.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Uh heck, yeah, jeez leis they They barely got Trey
under contract before the season started. And so where where
else are they gonna find enough money to pay the
other guys because you know, they they don't make Let's
just put it this way, they don't have a history
of spending money everywhere with with uh, you know, without
getting something for it, and they're they're not willing to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I think you got something. Something has to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I I I don't doubt for a second that the
uh that the ownership is taking stock in not only
Zach but also Duke Tobin and and and all that.
Because Zach's made some decisions with coaches that haven't panned out,
and he's allowed the coaching staff to to put Like,
as I said, last year, they hired a linebacker coach

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that that wasn't as good as they hoped and so
that puts the defense and then.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
It changes careers with players too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
He's teaching them different techniques, he's teaching them to look
their eyes differently, and before you know it, like Wilson
the middle linebacker, he's not playing. There's a guy that
was one of their standouts. You know, he's not playing.
He hasn't adjusted well to the new system. Maybe he's right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Hey, do we have Steve in Somerset?

Speaker 22 (01:18:13):
Hey, guys, what's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
All right?

Speaker 11 (01:18:15):
Steve?

Speaker 8 (01:18:17):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (01:18:18):
Man?

Speaker 22 (01:18:18):
Keep thinking. So I went to the game today and
I'm a live plung Cincinnati fan, forty nine years old,
Morning Range in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I've been been through
this man with the nineties and been through a lot
of tough times with the Bengals, But today was just
felt like it was one of the lowest the lows.

(01:18:40):
He can't blame it on the offense. We played outstanding.
I thought our offense was great. That fourth quarter last drive.
Shit has ever happened. The game should have already been
put away. This defense is probably the worst defend I
have seen in my forty nine years. For the last
few seasons, we have been at the bottom of the act.

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We did not run the right steams. I hear people
talking about talent, talent, tallent. We might not have the
best ballent, but you have to run the right steams
for these guys to be successful and to be put
in the position to make plays. We get no pressure
on the quarterback. We're never in the backfield trying to
you know, stopping the run for losses. We're giving up

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big plays on the outside all the time, and somebody's
got to be held accountable for this. We got too
much talent. You know, there's a there's a window that's
gonna be closing very quickly that we could be a
Super Bowl champion and bring the first one to the
city of Cincinnati. But if we don't address this and
get people held accountable for their jobs, then we're never

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going to be successful and bringing that first Super Bowl
trophy at Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Steve, I've said it one hundred times. The Bengals play
to the level of their competition. They play up for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they played down today to me
to the New York Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
They built a big lead.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Then they got soft, and then they got burned at
the end. And I appreciate the call. Let's go to
Mark and Dayton. I'm here all right, Mark, what's on
your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Chick?

Speaker 21 (01:20:19):
Bruce, Great to talk to you.

Speaker 23 (01:20:21):
Hey, there's been a lot of good points made this
evening about you know, the problems with this, that and
the other. And granted, you know, they went out and
got Flaco to ensure that the offense stayed humming, and
they had been without questions. The defense is a broken record.
Like the last guy said, last year was abysmal if
it hadn't have been for them scoring thirty five forty

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points a game and just outscoring everybody because the defense
they had to because the defense last year couldn't stop anybody.
And sometimes when you have guys on your defense, you
know you hear about that, Well, you need to dumb
down the place book for these guys. And I've seen
several comments since the game plus watching it. Uh Golden

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was walking around the sidelines with defensive calls on like
a three by five index card.

Speaker 21 (01:21:15):
That was his that was his play sheet.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Oh sometimes, and I'm like, well, sometimes keeping it simples good,
you know.

Speaker 23 (01:21:22):
Well only if And I just wonder if is there
a wonder lick test for for these players?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (01:21:29):
You know, uh uh, I just I just wonder because
it's like they are out of position so many times
and it's just like last week against Rogers. Rogers is
a great quarterback, but how many times were these guys
the field was just wide open in the secondary?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, yep, we see, yeah, we saw it today, wide open.
And I love the tackle where the guy had to
go pulling on his jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
And the offenses have never been more complicated and more
difficult to line up properly to. But you can't let
them run on you like that. And that's the defensive
line linebackers.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
And we've reached the bottom of the hour break. We
appreciate the calls, uh, And we've got Mike and glennon Bill,
please hang on, we're getting to you next. We're live
at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five O nine Ohio Pike,
and you're listening to the Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame
sports talk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Bruce Kazerski, Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
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(01:22:51):
He's Bruce Kezerski. This is Chick Ludwig. We're breaking down
the bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the
New York Jets like a wrecking ball. Mike Mills are
awesome on site engineer and Liam Tomlinson. We appreciate all
his help producing back in our Kenwood Studios. Bengals fall

(01:23:13):
thirty nine to thirty eight. Hevery Bengals fans disappointed. Right now,
I want to go over some scores around the National
Football League. It just became final. The Denver Broncos at
home forty four to twenty four winners over the Dallas Cowboys.
The Dolphins get back in the win column with a

(01:23:34):
thirty four to ten victory over the Falcons in Atlanta
today elsewhere, Yeah, just trying to refresh my screen here
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Ravens won.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
The Ravens wound up winning the New England Patriots all
over the Cleveland Browns in Foxborough thirty two to thirteen,
chop down the New York Giants thirty eight to twenty
in Philly, the Buffalo Bills all over the Carolina Panthers
forty to nine, and like Bruce mentioned there, the Baltimore
Ravens back in the win column with a thirty to

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sixteen home victory over the Chicago Bears, and the Houston Texans,
much maligned, get back in the win column twenty six
to fifteen at home over the San Francisco forty nine Ers,
and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are twenty three to three
winners over the Saints in New Orleans, and the Indianapolis

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Colts just keep on winning thirty eight to fourteen at
Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis over the Tennessee Titans. And
Monday night's game will feature the Washington Commanders at the
Kansas City Chiefs. That's Tomorrow night, and tonight's Sunday night

(01:24:56):
game Packers at the Steelers. Eight twenty kis go off tonight, Bruce,
So it's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
The National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It's that simple, yeah, on any given Sunday, right, And
that was that you just don't expect on seventeen to
come into Cincinnati and especially where the offense played today
and and uh and walk out of here with a win.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Hey, we've got uh, We've got Mike and Columbus Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Are you there?

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
I am.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
Hey, guys, I'm gonna be real quick as I can here.
I've got four quick things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Number one.

Speaker 10 (01:25:30):
I know it was mentioned the Bengals look like they
may have softened up, and Fields was able to take
advantage of that. The NFL, the game moves fast. I
give tip my cap to Justin Fields. He took advantage
of his opportunities that were given to him today and
he got his team a win. So I don't want
to be little anything that he did because of the

(01:25:51):
feat that we see this every week in the NFL,
and so uh, tip of the cap to him.

Speaker 8 (01:25:57):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:25:58):
Number two, number sixte one for the Jets. I didn't
see it much in the first quarter, started a little
bit in the second quarter, and then often in the
third and fourth quarter they line him up as an
eligible receiver. It looked like he was on the inside
in the backfield. I was trying to figure out what
they they were trying to do and accomplish with that, Bruce,

(01:26:18):
maybe you can speak to this. Maybe you picked up
on or not. I kept waiting to see if maybe
he would block it and sneak out into into space
for a pass, but I never saw that. If you
picked up on some of what they were trying to do,
or maybe you picked up just just I would love
to hear.

Speaker 8 (01:26:35):
The third thing is.

Speaker 10 (01:26:38):
Stalary cap. I'm not a fan of it in the
NFL because I don't think teams spin spend to the
threshold that they can to make teams more complimentary. I
think teams too many teams are weak on one side
of the ball or another, and it makes for very
average football. Maybe a handful of teams can play complimentary
football on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
You have to have a salary cap because with the
money that Jerry Jones has, you'll have twenty two All
Pros playing for him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
So let's get rid of that notion right away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
And every team has to spend at least what like
four fists of the salary cap.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
You have to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Money back for your injured players they get paid two.

Speaker 21 (01:27:20):
Yeah, I totally get it. I do totally get it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:23):
But the issue I have is that it looks like
the NFL doesn't have very many teams that can play
both sides of the ball. It looks very weak and
modern product in the NFL is average or weak. And
then you have a lot of teams at the top,
and thirty years in this league with a salary cap,
only fifteen franchises won super Bowl championships. You go to

(01:27:43):
Major League Baseball, nineteen of won championships. I don't think
it helps teams get to the top. I think it
holds them back. And the premier franchise in this league
hasn't won super Bowl in thirty years at the beginning
to this salary cap, the Dallas Cowboys. It's hard and
people don't understand it. It's hard to get complimentary teams.

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And I don't begrudge players getting paid because they should.
They should go out and get as much as they can.
But when they get paid in the NFL, and like Baseball,
they don't have time to develop players because as soon
as they started to develop and they can't pay guys,
they're often go somewhere else, and it's hard to get
your team to play equal with that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Mike, appreciate your call very much.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
It started.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
It started with one of these teams paying and you know,
the quarterback a ridiculous amount of money. Then everybody that
was better than him. The next year contract came up.
They had to get more money, and they had to
get more and then receiving and running backs they had
to get more money. Before you know it, you can't
protect a fifty million dollars quarterback with you know, a
one million dollar offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
So they got to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Well, thank heaven, there's a rookie salary cap.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Yeah, because everyone was screaming when a guy that hasn't
thrown one pass in the league is making, you know,
a huge, huge contract, like a Matt Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Uh, he might have been the last one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
And that's where and that's where the salary cap hurts
a little. You have to pay Joe, you have to
pay uh Chase, you had to pay Higgins, you got
to pay the you know, the defensive ends you got.
You got to pay all these special players. But you
also have to keep people on the field that can block.
So what you do is you draft first round, second
round picks that could play your your offensive line positions,

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and then they have a four year rookie contract. They've
got a salary cap on that, so that keeps their
overall salaries down, so they spend money on everybody else.
The problem is they're not they're not proven in this league.
So a first round pick coming out of Ohio State
or Michigan or or one of these you know, big,
big powerhouse Alabama, he's not proven in the NFL until
he can prove himself after three or four years of

(01:29:48):
being successful, you know, then you have yourself a probe.
But by that time they want twenty million dollars. So
you're cut between a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Hey do we have Glenn in Cincinnati?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Yes, God, Glenn.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Hey, here's the thing.

Speaker 24 (01:30:05):
I'm not sure there's I'm gonna be able to say
anything that you haven't already heard, or you don't you
don't even want to hear.

Speaker 21 (01:30:11):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 24 (01:30:12):
But I don't understand.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
Right before the six fifty.

Speaker 24 (01:30:15):
Break, you guys are talking about how you know, these
are the elite players in the league, and they're you know,
they're they're demanding that kind of money to be an
elite player on the field and to play with the Bengals.
But what I see here. Year after year, week after week,
month after month, it just seems like it's groundhog Day
for you guys. I mean everyone talks about and has

(01:30:35):
excuses for why they need to do this, why they
need to do that, but it's the same thing. They
wake up every morning thinking, Okay, we're going to be
a different team, but it's never.

Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
That gonna It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 24 (01:30:44):
So right before the six fifty break, you guys are
talking about how it's still a show, how win or lose.
You still support the team, still support the franchise. But
at the end of the day, man, you have put
a product on the field, and I can't imagine after
every year. This is what makes for good talk radio.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
I guess is that it's the same thing.

Speaker 24 (01:31:02):
Over and over, and you hear the same thing over
and over, but nothing ever changes the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
It seems you can say the same thing about every
Reds team since nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I mean, it's it's pro sports and the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
You know the NFL, everybody who's excited after the Pittsburgh
Steelers game, Yeah, just eleven days.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Ago, and now look at him. It's it's a big bummer.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Too, And again a large part of the team played well.
They just had the defense didn't. They couldn't make a
key stop, let alone, you know, multiple key stops. And
you know, we we do talk a lot about defense.
But again we've had Joe Burrow now for five years.
We've had great offensive players for a long time. And

(01:31:47):
that's where I said, maybe some of the focus and
in the end needs to needs to be on maybe
a restructuring of whoever's looking at these players.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
To pick him. I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
I know the coaches have never had more input. It's
just Duke Tobin. The coaches have never had more input
into the players. But Zach is obviously the trump card
on the coaching staff and who he wants, and he's
opted to get the offensive players and leave the defense
a little shorthanded.

Speaker 24 (01:32:13):
And we appreciate anything wrong with having to demand more
from the players. They're making millions of dollars. Yes they're elite,
but at some point you have to get to put
up with what you're getting paid.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
Out there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Absolutely, pride is Pride is all you've got. And uh,
the way, uh, the way it goes in this league
is if you if you even if you're getting paid.
If you're not getting paid, you don't play, you don't,
you don't make the team. So you have a bad year.
The next year you don't, you don't make the team.
And that's what's supposed to happen. Now you've got to
go out and find a replacement for the guy. You know,

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we brought in uh what's his name from the defensive
nose tackle from the Patriots turned out, Yeah, the Eagles
two years ago. He got to be a bus and
they brought Slaton in and Slayton's playing well, but what's
the help around him. I think those big runs all
came off middle to right side to that and I'm
not sure who's playing over there, but somebody's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Not getting the job. And I fled out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Saw one of those rookie linebackers step up in the
hole like you're supposed to do him plot out and miss.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
That was Barrett Carter, who had a great run earlier
in the game, but that and that was a monster run.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Monster run, had a big time at a very important
time in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Yes, appreciate the call, Thank you very much. We have Uh, yeah,
let's go ahead and take a break. We'll come back
and check out your phone calls. Hey, we are live
at the Beachmont Wings and Rings at five O nine Ohio. Pike,
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(01:34:01):
by RNL Carriers, He's Bruce Kazerski, this is Chick Ludwig.
We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings, five O nine,
Ohio Pike and I want to take this time out
to pay tribute to a fallen New York Jets legend.
It showed up on the TV screen today. I was
an absolute shock at the news that broke that Nick Mangold,

(01:34:25):
an eleven year member of the New York Jets, a
Hall of Fame candidate this year, died yesterday at the
age of forty one from kidney disease. Nick Mangold Kettering
Altar High School, the Ohio State University, first round draft
pick of the Jets eleven years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
He is a Jets legend, and it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Heartbreaking to hear that a great man, great husband, father,
and Nick Mangold passed away at the age of one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Bruce, I hadn't heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
That's the first time he was He was a generational
type player for them.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Sure was, he definitely was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
And at the same time, here uh the New York
Jets center today. Personal friend of the Chicksters from Miamisburg
High School, Josh Myers, great player at Miamisburg High School,
then at the Ohio State University, and in four years
as a second round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers,

(01:35:28):
they made the playoffs in three out of four years.
They didn't resign him, threw him under the bus, and
he signed a one year prove it deal this year
with the New York Jets and they went for five
hundred offensive yards today. What right two forty five that
center Josh Myers was doing something right as the Jets

(01:35:51):
trample the Bengals for two hundred and fifty four rushing
yards today. So a tip my cap to my friend
Josh Myers Center for the New York Football Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
You know this, this is upsetting. My son showed me
a little stat earlier, like you bring that up. Check, yes,
talk about how many when the Bengals have scored thirty
eight points? What the what their win totals and losses
of totals.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
In fifty six previous seasons fifty four and four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
When they score thirty eight or more points.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
In the last two seasons, one in three, amazing, just incredible, incredible,
that's a lot of points.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
I remember I was doing the Bengals radio after I
had retired right away, and Boomer had just come back
from the Jets, and uh so he was reinstated as
a quarterback as Blake got hurt or somebody got hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
And he goes on a tear winning win.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
And win and win and winning, and we went some
points and he was throwing them all up and down
the field. We scored forty one points and lost.

Speaker 25 (01:36:50):
Philadelphia, Philadelphia it I and I met him walking back
into the locker room after the game, and he's mattered
a hornet and he throws it was hardest I've ever
seen him throw a ball, let alone.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
A helmet.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
He threw it from from one side of the locker
room to the other, right dead solid in his locker,
just beside himself that he scored forty one points and
losing the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
He I was in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
He came in, he threw his helmet, I believe, yeah,
at the defense and he said, you guys don't deserve
your paychecks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
That's what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Yeah, And to the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Point in his career, he can he can get away
with that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yes, he was here from eight or nine, and then
he went to New York and and you know, it
worked out great for a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
And he came back here and he played for Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Yeah, and he called Arizona Cincinnati and the New York
Jets the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Yeah, yeah, just uh just incredible. Wait hey, uh, just
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Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
All I know is they could have done a better job.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
I would say they could have done a better job.
They would look back at this film and say we
should have done a better job. And the question is
why didn't they do a better job? It is it coaching?
Is it calls from the sidelines? Is the secondary coaching?
Is it the de coordinator coaching? What is not putting
them in position to make those plays? And when they
have an opportunity to tackle, why are they missing those tackles?

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Two and forty eight passing yards for the Jets, two
hundred and fifty four rushing yards for the Jets. It
was a tough day all around for the defense and
the secondary got burned.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Yeah, it's that simple.

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We have Bill in Cincinnati. Bill, are you there?

Speaker 8 (01:39:10):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 26 (01:39:11):
I have a few comments and say if Bruce to
comment on him because I look at the game and
I always wonder are the coaching adjustments during the game
when we're being out coached, and when we look at conditioning,
I mean they they the deefense dominated the first quarter
and then we get three touchdowns for them. And is
there a conditioning issue with the Beggars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
No, it's these are some of the most well conditioned
athletes in the world.

Speaker 26 (01:39:37):
Okay, and was the next question. Well, and T Higgins
had one catch, two targets, thirty three passes and Chase
half thirteen targets. So I know in the pass it
seems like they would use T. Higgins if Chase is
double team, they would come in and that Chase was
being double team. But in a city would going to
T Higgins And you know more during the game, especially

(01:39:59):
uh you know in that in the fourth quarter there,
uh when when in a sat being double team that
he was trying.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
To I would think T would say the same thing.
I would say, Hey, you know, he's got a lot
of opportunities and and I'm and I'm not I can
I could beat that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
You know, I need to get more opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
But as I said earlier, in one of the phone
callers talked about their running and passing plays, some of
those ones that that Jamar catches because he's such a
great runner with the ball. Afterwards, they throw him the
ball quickly and it's more just a long handoff as
it turns into a it's a passing player that turns
into a running play for five or six yards and
then that's something that that tea doesn't do as well,

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and so t is more of a down the field,
crossing the field routes and and Jamar can do that
because he's such an athletic running running after the catch.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Well, when there was a time when he had a
key drop in the late in this game, Jamar, and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
But also late in the game Fan disappeared. You know,
they were throwing the throw the ball to Yoshi vas
and I can visually see four plays in the last
several weeks that he's dropped the ball. And I don't
know that he's the most reliable in that situation, but
I certainly think fant Or or Hudson would have been
an option.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Three targets, no catches for Andre Josevash today.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Yeah, and again you can look at this film and
I can tell you from a coach's perspective, you look
at this and say, man, if I had just done that,
and that happens in about ten plays a game, especially
when you're when you lose a close game like this,
it might have only been a handful of plays. When
you when you're getting blown out, you can second guess
every play you make and do you learn over times

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you can't dwell on what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
I made the call.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
It wasn't executed properly, and that's what the players should think.
The call was made and all we had to do
was execute it better. And in the plays there, whether
the ball's high or the ball is low, by the
by the by the quarterback, whether the receiver dropped it,
whether the running back didn't hit the hole properly, or
it could be offensive line missed the block for the
first time all day, and I'll all of a suddenly
he becomes a spotlight.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Right. You have to see what happened on film to
figure out what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
All I can think about when you mentioned that is
the great quote from John McKay, the first Tampa Bay
head coach coach, How do you feel about your team's execution?

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Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
O nine Ohio Pike and you are listening to the
Tri State Chevy Dealer's post game Sports Talk presented by
RNL Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig and I'm alongside Bengals
legend Bruce Kozerski. We're not only talking about the bengals
thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New York
Jets at pay Corpse Stadium today, but really all things football,

(01:44:10):
and Bruce, you gotta be happy for the University of
Cincinnati Bearcats ranked seventeenth now after that big win over
Baylor on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
It's great. It's great to see the enthusiasm in town.
They're playing great. You know, there's other teams around playing
great as well. You know, I had two kids of
mine that went to Louisville. They're playing great football. UC
is playing great, Ohio State's playing great. The Midwest right
here where we live, the part of the country that
we live is just fantastic. It's got great football, great sports,
and it's fun to be part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
You see up to seventeenth now with the seven and
one record, seven consecutive victories, and now they go against
Utah in the late game ten fifteen on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
This is the one right here, this is the one
we've been waiting for a long time. If they can
pull this one off and then they're for real, this
is this is again. They have had some great games
in town. Now they got to travel on the road,
put all those all the side all the side trimmings away,
and focus really wholeheartedly on the game plan. And sometimes
it's easier for a team to do that, sometimes it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
We'll see what this team has made of. I'm really
excited for them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
It'll be Salt Lake City on Saturday night, ten fifteen, kickoff.
The number twenty four uts against the number seventeen UC Bearcats.
You mentioned Louisville up to sixteen and Miama Mater the
Ohio State University.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Number one and breathing right down their net into.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
The DA Indiana Hoosia's boy. They playing great football. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
They took dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
That quarterback is dynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
They took UC later the woodshed they did they.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Of course, you know, it's nice to get a team
like UCL in your house.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
They were hot coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
They'd beat Penn State and they'd beat somebody else, really
really good out there on the coast. But boy, you
get it, bring them in here into town and you
whip them. That's that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Hey, we appreciate our producers back in the Kenwood studios.
We started out with Liam Tomlinson and he has handed
the baton to our very own Danny Gleason.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
Danny Gleason in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Danny is uh spearheading us all the way down this
half hour, and we appreciate that Liam Tomlinson's support tonight.
And uh, hey, let's go out to the phones and
welcome in Brian. Who's who's driving Brian?

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Are you there?

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
I am, thanks to Tay mccollms. Then listen to you guys.
You know, just want to just going to kind of
like jump on you. Obviously the defense is just obviously horrific.
Needs need a lot of fixing.

Speaker 27 (01:46:34):
But I really want to call out two specific people
because I've heard a lot of, you know, a lot
of talk in the last couple of games on broadcasts
about how DJ Turner and Dak Shill are getting better.
And I got him to wonder, you know, they're going
up in practice against the arguably two of the best
receivers in the league.

Speaker 11 (01:46:52):
And survey on the team, and I just don't.

Speaker 6 (01:46:55):
Understand how they can't get better if they're basing Chase
and Higgins in practice, or that the chasing Higgins are
demoralizing him so bad that they can't get it together
at a game. Well, what I keep coming back to
is that they are living through game in and game out,
that Michigan knew what plays were coming and cheated under

(01:47:16):
our ball.

Speaker 11 (01:47:16):
I'll turn it back to you, guys and thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Just the inconsistency from week to week by our by
the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
I have been really impressed with Turner's play this this year.
I think he's much improved today. That we just saw
the replay up on the video screen coming across one
of the networks. Uh, the touchdown that put them ahead
at the end of the game. He was in the
guy's face, but he wasn't looking at the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
You know, I know what man coverages. But the guy
had he was on the back line, He had nowhere
to go turn around and find the ball, and he didn't.
And the guy's reached out straight up over his head
and caught it. That's it. I think certainly if he
had seen a company he would have batted it away.
It's it's just an unfortunate It's an unfortunate thing that
happened today. I think I think he's not I don't
think he's as big a culprit as it was on

(01:48:03):
that one play. I think it's overblown. I think a
lot of the issues were the other side of the coverage.
The other's the second side he and I don't want
to put names into it because I'm not sure of
all who they were, but there's too many mistackles by
the left side of the defensive backfield.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Hey do we have Craig again or is Craig back
from El Paso?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yeah, I'm here with you all right, Craig. What's going on?

Speaker 28 (01:48:28):
I wanted to call in talk about a quote that
Tobin said this offseason. But the last thing he was
going to do was run the same defense out there
at the more extensive rate. Yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:48:42):
What has happened.

Speaker 28 (01:48:44):
I know Caler earlier talked about how he does the
little thing or the things well like drafton Burrow and
Chase and guys at top of the draft about how
you need to play in the margins.

Speaker 7 (01:48:55):
Well, when they play in the margins they get.

Speaker 28 (01:48:57):
Guys like McKinley, Jackson, and Wove both been healthy stratches
almost every game this year. I know Jackson healthy for
like one I think have been up other times. Have
all been healthy stratches. Yet I'm hearing you guys as
these hodess. Sounds like you're carrying the water pretty hard
for Duke Cobin here. Yeah, we have quite a bit
of it. Okay, we have surface level of talent may

(01:49:20):
not be there. Okay, that's an issue. Next year's coaching
might be an issue.

Speaker 21 (01:49:25):
Sure.

Speaker 28 (01:49:26):
Above that is the personnel people. They're not doing their jobs.
It sounds like you guys are defending them pretty hard.
And I'm really lost what your guy's angle is, because
time after time, the only thing I think Duke cobn
does well it makes trade. They've made like four in
my entire life, some if not your life. Feels like
you guys are standing up for some guy that is

(01:49:47):
not caring his weight.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Well, I'm not sure Duke Tobin was the second a
snap in the NFL in a long period of time.
You judge talent by what you see on film, you
scout them live in person. In college, you get the
best talent you can. And it's not just their ability
that you're your your talent ability that you're scouting. You're
you're you're as a scout, you're talenting scouting. But the

(01:50:12):
same people, your scouts across the league that are still
ranking these players as highly as you are. You're in
a position to take these guys and they're just not
panning out. Now, that has to do more with development.
That has to do with the people that they're walking
into that are showing them how to play these positions.
A lot of the best players, in fact, the ones

(01:50:34):
I've been around, learned how to play from watching great players.
And that's the hardest thing to get rolling. You're you're
trying to be a good defensive defensive lineman watching the
defensive linemen that are playing in front of you, and
you're not seeing great defensive play, you know what I'm saying.
And so it's the coach can he's not on the
field he teaches, he's teaching you the same thing he's teaching.

(01:50:55):
They all pro defensive tackle, but they all prob is
getting the recognition he's making attack.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
You're not learning it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
And so now now you removed that that quality defensive
lineman in front of you. You're learning from what the
the the the oemen work guy in front of he's doing.
So you're not learning from any guy any better than
you are, you know what I'm saying. So it's it
comes down to who are you learning the game from?
And it it should be the development of the coaching staff,
and it's not. It's not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Hey, appreciate the call. We could talk about dislike forever. Yes,
it's uh, it's personel it from the top down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Everything has to be analyzed.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
All I know is they look great against the Steelers
and didn't look so great today.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I was I was a ninth round pick and I
had a great offensive line. Coach made me a great player.
I mean, bottom line is is the offensive line that
I played with had. Anthony Munius was the only first
round pick and our our left guard was a a
eighth round pick. I was a ninth round pick. Max
Montoya was a sixth round pick. Joe Walter was a
seventh round pick and turned out to be one of

(01:51:58):
the best offensive linemen lines of team history for a
long period of time. And it's because of the line
coach coaching Billy of Jim McNally. Yes, you know, I
think Scott Peters has developed this offensive line. Finally he's
gotten in their head and they figured out what he wants.
Now we gotta get the same thing that happened on
the defensive line, the linebackers and secondary and it's not
happening yet. If it's gonna happen this year, it better

(01:52:19):
happens soon. Our heads are gonna roll.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Hey, let's review today's Postman Law injury report. Bruce brought
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Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Shaka Hayward went out in the first half with I
think they called it a phibiate a tibia or fibula injury,
so it's a leg injury.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
And gone for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Yes, Joe Flacco went out late in this game after
he got sacked with an apparent shoulder injury. He went
into the locker room evidently got a sleeve or some
kind of brace or whatever, and uh, and then Trey
Hendrickson re injured his hip.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Maybe I may be completely mistaken about Flacco, but I
thought he got knocked down against Pittsburgh and hurt his shoulder,
but it was his non throwing shoulder. They did the
same thing, put a sleeve on it. I think me
and me, after a week of practice or ten days,
it was feeling good enough to not use that sleeve.
But I think he got knocked down again in the
same shoulder was given him a fit. It didn't hurt

(01:53:26):
him from throwing, but he couldn't go out there without it,
and so they went in the locker and put it on.
And he's too too much of a veteran to let
that effect the outcome. He would have said, certainly, I
can't throw, I can't deliver this. He would have said,
he's he's a proven player with eighteen years of experience,
and those kind of guys, they don't go down easy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Well, Undilan Fairchild went out briefly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
He got kicked in the shin at the two minute
warning in the in the first half.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
So he came back.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
So we'll see as the week progresses. You know what
kind of shape they're in. Physical.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Yeah, I'd be one that we're gonna lose Hendrickson for
a few weeks. But those hipstone heel quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
You're absolutely right, and they play Chicago next week and
then to buy that's important.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
That's a big week to get back at healthy again.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
And that's today's Postman Law Injury Report, brought to you
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Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:54:32):
Hi, guys, how you doing this evening?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
But we're doing all right, all things consider.

Speaker 10 (01:54:36):
Hey, just a comment one of your previous callers that
called in talking about the tackling and that some of
the college players that were good tacklers during college and
they moved on to the pros and it seems like
they forgot how to tackle.

Speaker 7 (01:54:52):
And what I'm seeing, if you guys could comment, is instead.

Speaker 10 (01:54:57):
Of hitting guys low and wrapping them up and getting
them off the I see a lot of the defensive backs, especially,
they're hit them high, trying to slow them down, uh,
and then trying to strip the ball with other players
combining in on that. And the whole time the player
with the ball, whether it's a running back or receiver,
is gaining yardage.

Speaker 21 (01:55:18):
Are you guys seeing that or not?

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
I think that may be one of the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Illnesses across the entire league is is these coaches preached
turnover so much. They want the ball punched out, and
then now they've got everybody punching at the ball or
grabbing at the ball, and nobody's truly making the tackle.
And if you just put the guy on the ground,
you might be able to get a ball out later
or on the way down.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
But they're just not focusing on tackling. They want to
make the big play, the turnover, get get their name
in the in the lights. But that's what the coaches
are teaching nowadays, is one guy, hold them up and
you pulled out or punch it out the big Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:55:54):
And then going back to when I was a kid
playing junior league fotball on high school, you know with
form tackling, we come in slow and you know, you
hit them low, wrap them up, get their feet off
the ground. And what's your feet are off the ground,
they can't go anywhere, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
I think that's a whole bunch to do with it.
Is they're just many They so much emphasis on turnovers,
and I think it's really hurting a lot of the performances.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
He appreciate it, Yeah, Yeah, it mattered.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
I just I just again one of the breaks, a
little of the network coverage, and uh, one of our
defensive backs goes on and is talking about how they
the defense didn't get done today.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Well they know it, didn't have to explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Now they got to figure out how to fix it
or else We're going to see the same thing next
week against the team that we should be.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
All right, Scott, appreciate the call, and do we have
Kim and Anderson?

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Hello, Hi, Kim, Hi Kim?

Speaker 29 (01:56:49):
All right, Bruce.

Speaker 18 (01:56:51):
I could not let half of my family be there
with you in person and not call in and talk
to you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
How are you, Kim? They had they had they well.

Speaker 29 (01:57:00):
I mean I'm glad.

Speaker 22 (01:57:02):
I'm glad they were with great company.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Yeah, they had great company at that table they missed.

Speaker 14 (01:57:07):
I think they're coming back.

Speaker 29 (01:57:08):
So hey, I'm here. I've been listening, and I think that.

Speaker 18 (01:57:12):
We are being really hard on these Bengals because it's
been such a roller coaster of a season. You know,
they came out of the out of the gates doing
really good.

Speaker 29 (01:57:21):
Joe burrows out, we're doing terrible. We get Joe Flacco,
we're back endings right, and then when you lose today,
it's it's extra heartbreaking. But you know, the Jets are
having the exact same conversations that we're having about our defense.
You know, they're having it about everything, and you know what.

Speaker 18 (01:57:38):
We have got to get all of our guys firing
on all cylinders at the same time, and that's just
not what's happening right now. The Jets did it today
and they did their jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:57:48):
That's completely the story.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
Again, if you look at the first two wins that
we had, they weren't really resounding wins. They beat Cleveland
because they rookie kicker missed a couple of kicks are
extra point and the field goal. They pulled him out.
We gave him credit for winning because we don't win
early in the season. We got two games under our belt,
win and the win call him early in the season.
Then we fell on that four game streak. I understand
a little like Joe Burrow concussion syndrome, when the team

(01:58:13):
had to realize they were going to be without Joe
for the bulk of the season. And so now they
got this guy comes in here out of nowhere with
an eighteen year history, knowing what he's going to see
because he's seen it everywhere else. He's rebuilt programs everywhere else,
and now they're thriving again an offense, but the defense
virtually all season long hasn't made place. And it's it's

(01:58:36):
it's got to fix change. And I don't know how
you fix it mid season. I fear for what happens
the rest of the way because while they want to
do well, they have to they have to go out
there and perform better, and they're not. It's got to
look and say, how do I get better myself?

Speaker 18 (01:58:53):
Yeah, Especially, we've sat at enough ballfields together and watched
enough sports, you know together that if everybody's not doing
their job, the job doesn't get done.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Yeah, but it's you know, Chicksman's saying all day, all
day long. You know, the proof is in the out
is in the outcome. We're talking talk radio, great talker.
A losing team's make great talk radio.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
They do this. This show has flown by.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
We're here, We're here to hear crying, and boy we
heard it tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Thanks for calling, Hey, Kim, thanks so much for you
for calling. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Yeah, thank you, And a reminder for fans out there
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service the rest. Well, now he's the Chicago Bears coming in.
And as tough as it is today, man, you gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
You can't lose both these teams back to back to back.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
I mean uh, And you're close to saying that this
Bears game coming up, it has to be a fust win.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
How rare is it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
But both these coaches head coaches the Jets and now
the Bears, were on the Lions staff last year. A
guy that played for me with at Holy Cross High
School is a linebacker for the Lions, and he knows
both of these guys. They're great, fantastic guys, fantastic coaches,
and they're gonna turn those programs around. It can't happen
two weeks in a row to the Bengals. We got

(02:00:18):
to beat them before they turn these programs around.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
And it says Chicago Bears next week, and then the
following week is a bye week.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
So you want to go into.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
The bye week with some gosh, some positivity in some momentum.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
How much momentum with three wins in a row. Huh, Well,
that's out of the gate, but we can't lose two
in a row, for sure. Sure, I think if Flacco
can get us through this burrowless era without two losses
in a row, he's done his job and we're very
grateful to have.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Him, no doubt, and just looking to get the standings
here in the AFC North, the Pittsburgh Steelers at four
and two, the Cincinnati Bengals now at three and five,
the Ravens are two and five, and the Browns are
two and six.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Mandy, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Of carnage there in the AFC North, so there's still
an opportunity, and.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
We still have so many games against those opponents, and
so that's that's where the whole juggernaut is gonna either
turn into wins or snowball and the losses. And then,
you know, if you're a Cincinnati fan, you know, you
know where, you know, where your heart is. It's just
got to happen on the field. Then, believe me, they're
gonna bring their best. The question is is their best
good enough? It's any given Sunday thing right now.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Two and zero in the Division, three and two in
the Conference for the Bengals, but once.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Again two and two at home. You have to win
home games.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
Yeah, you got to own your you gotta own your property,
your your real estate's yours. And we've had teams come
in here and and uh one under Flacco, one without Flacco.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
But it's time and it all starts again next week
against the Chicago Bears and then uh wow, off to
a bye week and then you got to play the
Steelers yea the road.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
There won't be any revenge in that one, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Man, can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
And this is the part of the schedule where they
got to make Hay who was the chats and bad.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
We're supposed to happen? Yeah, yeah, and it hasn't. It
has it's it's it's unfortunate. But those are the cards
that have been played. Now you got to, you know,
play the ones that are still on the deck a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
Better paying on behalf of my partner Bruce Kazerski and
are on site engineer Mike Mills. This is Chick Ludwig
saying thanks for listening to the Tri State Chevy Dotros
postgame sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers. We have been
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