November 17, 2025 • 16 mins
Willie talks with Joshua Phillips on the effect Charlie Kirk had on politics and what the future of politics looks like following his assassination.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Bill cunning in Great American, of course, one of the
apostles I think of the twenty first century. I'll call
him the Saint Paul the twenty first century. It was
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
To me, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Amazing how the left needs to vilify him quickly, even
more than they've done in the past, to make sure
his message is not heard. I would note there's a
couple of stories out recently about colleges that have refused
Turning Point USA chapters, including the riot that took place
at Berkeley. So the radical left has to demonize Charlie
Kirk despite his christian like message, because it is feared
(00:37):
that if many college kids develop a conservative philosophy about
God and about family and about America that's so positive
about our country that they may become, shall we say, conservatives,
form family structures, worship God, and also salute the American flag,
which are some of the principles of Charlie Kirk during
his lifetime. I still can't believe Charlie is murdered as
(00:59):
of number tenth.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It was awful. We'll find out how.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The trial takes place later next year, but there's a
documentary out Captain Kirk Captain Kirk a new documentary set
for release, How a Young Leader Charted the way forward
for the next generation of great Americans. Joining you and
on now is the creator of that documentary, Joshua Phillips
and Joshua Welcome to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first
of all, before we get into the history of what
(01:23):
Charlie Kirk did, starting about twelve or thirteen years ago,
do you find it amazing that colleges, which should be
arsenals of democracy, colleges that should allow the free flow
of ideas, especially at Berkeley, where free speech supposedly began
back about fifty years ago, that colleges are barring Turning
Point USA chapters from forming.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Do you find that surprising?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I should find it surprising. Unfortunately I don't,
because this is the pattern we've seen. I actually just
spoken an event to California with Rob Schneider, who is
you know, one of the main speakers at that event.
In Berkeley's attack, they got they got attacked by Antifa.
I will ask a question, though, why do college campuses
allow Antifa to shut down events but they don't allow
(02:10):
a Christian conservative organization to operate? You a good question
to ask.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, Rob Schnauder was at that event, and we've haent
on assistant US attorneys who are going to pursue that
possibly criminal charges.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Let's go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Charlie Kirk went to college quite briefly and said him
out of here. Explained the origins of Charlie Kirk when
he got out of high school, a brilliant guy. The
messages you got to go to college, get that sheepskin,
you got to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He briefly went and left.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Why maybe the same reason of a lot of the
big successful names tend to follow the same battern. You know,
I did the same thing. I went to college for
a couple of years that you know what, I'm not
really doing anything with it. I'm gonna do something else,
and the same same way with a lot of people
like that. I think the unfortunate reality is college colleges
don't educate people like they used to. And I mean
(02:59):
I'm not trying to, you know, shoot it down, people
have degrees or whatever. But I do think being self
educated will teach you things that you're not going to
be taught in college these days. And I think what
is being recognized is that a lot of kids are
being sold a bad deal. They go to college, they
get their degree, they graduate, and they find that they
can't do a lot with it because they've been miseducated,
(03:22):
or they've just been taught activism. They've been taught how
to go in protest, but not how to go and
find a job.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So really they're indoctrinated, not educated.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And one stack came out from the Gallupole a few
days ago that forty percent of young women want to
leave America forty percent, and so the promises and most
of these women are highly educated. When I see protests today,
Joshua Phillips, I see often bright, a young educated white
females that are angry at everything and they want to
(03:51):
leave the country.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's an example of bad education.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Correct fully agreed. And it's unfortunate too. I mean, imagine you,
you know, you raise a daughter, bring her up right,
she goes to college. You know, you pay what fifty
thousand a year or whatever it is. They come out
of it, they can't find a job, they hate the country,
and they think that totalitarian communism or socialism is the
(04:14):
answered all their problems. They want to bring a system
into place that has killed with you know what, one
hundred million to one hundred and sixty million people, and
I think that's good. But they think America is evil.
I think that is a result of an absolutely failed education,
total misrepresentation of history.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Joshua Phillip, Why did Turning Point USA succeed so greatly?
I'm going to ask you later, what's the future when
they When the leader dies, often the movement dies. But
what made Turning Point USA successful during the living years
of Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, I think what made Turning Points so successful
is that Charlie Kirk went to the college campuses and
basically called them out. He was the guy saying, hey,
the emperor has no clothes. And then when he's said that,
everybody said, you know what. I saw that too, and
I didn't want to say it. He was going to
college campuses, getting on the microphone and saying, hey, whoever
(05:08):
disagrees with me, most grab the microphone, Let's have a conversation.
Bring your professors out. I will debate your professors in
front of you. And he was making absolute fools out
of them because he was exposing it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's why it succeeded, and it grew from a little
colonel into a huge mountain of ideas. When this happened,
when Charlie was murdered because of what he was saying,
almost immediately the memes on YouTube, there were hundreds of thousands,
generally young, educated white females, mocking the murder of a
father and a husband in an odd way. Did that
(05:45):
help turning point movement go forward? Or because didn't it
expose who they are?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I think it exposed the radicals, and I think it
exposed Let's put it this way, a lot of the
people who promote socialism do it under the guise of
moral good. They say, I'm a good person, you're an
evil person. I'm the I'm the one who's right by history,
and you're you know, you're the one, you know, basically
(06:12):
doing the wrong thing. As soon as they come out
and they support the murder of a man in front
of his children, you know, being shot of a neck,
will trying to have an open debate someone someone whose
only crime was to engage in discussion, and they're saying,
I hate freedom of speech so much that if someone
disagrees with me, I want to see them murdered in
front of their in front of their children. For somebody
(06:35):
to be like that show that they lose the moral
high ground. And when people recognize, oh, you don't. These
people don't believe in kindness, These people don't believe in honesty,
these people don't believe in debate, the mask falls off
and you see them for what they are, and a
lot of people say, you know what you know? Rather
than retreating into the shadows, what happened was a lot
(06:55):
of college could said I'm going to go be just
like Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk, and I'm going
to do exactly what he did.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What surprised you most in this documentary about it's called
Captain Kirk. What surprised you about the internal dynamics and
growth of Turning Point USA.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, So it's called I think Captain Kirk was the
marketing things, but it's called that truth under Fire, the
framing of Charlie Kirk. But but what surprised me the
most actually was actually what I really dug into was
how Charlie Kirk was framed. I wanted to do two
things with his documentary. One is set right the legacy
(07:36):
of Charlie Kirk, and two is to expose what led
to his death. You know, how is he how there's
a hit piece machine that tries to ruin people's reputations,
destroy their organizations, destroy their finances, make them too afraid
to speak out, and ultimately lead to threats of violence,
which can result in actual violence, which is exactly what
(07:57):
happened to Charlie Kirk. But all so, just because I
think his legacy is being undermined right now, I wanted
to do something that explains what did he actually stand for?
Who was Charlie Kirk? What values did he espouse and
what effect most importantly, what effect did he have on
young people?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, I would ask you the question, what values did
Charlie Kirk espouse? What was his belief system? Did it
evolve over the twelve years of his public life? What
do you say about that?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know? My conclusion is this, I don't think we
can replace someone like Charlie Kirk. He was a rare
individual because he had the ability to bring people together
across differences. I think for the conservative movement in particular,
he was a uniting force. He brought together. I mean, honestly,
(08:51):
you look at the Civil War among conservatives right now,
Charlie Kirk had his pastor speaking, He had you know,
Candice Owen speaking at events previously. He had Tucker Carlton
speaking at the recent ones. He brought together conservatives who
don't agree with each other, and that is challenging to do.
He brought together religious denominations that are very different from
(09:11):
each other. He brought them all together under a single
roof and said, you know what, put those aside. We
know we have a country to say. It's basically, we
have something we need to stand for that is that
is broader than our differences. And I think what he
focused on instead was the issues. He focused on this
is what our kids are being taught, this is this
is this is the problem in our country that if
(09:33):
we don't resolve it, we're going to lose our country.
He focused on those types of things, not all the
not all the petty squabbling. And I think the effect
of Charlie Kirk was visible when I when I went
to colleges and I talked to young kids and I said,
why are you here? What are you doing? And I
talked to some of the people the turning point chapters.
Despite the disagreements, we're now seeing at the surface the
(09:56):
legacy of Charlie Kirk does live on in the youth,
and a lot of them were deeply inspired to you know,
find their faith, to become more religious, to not be
afraid of speaking out, to talk about their values, to
not be silenced. I think his legacy will live on
in the youth.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How critical was Charlie Kirk in that movement to the
re election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, I think he was honestly so successful that a
lot of the media establishment wanted to I think without
Charlie Kirk, Trump would not have won the twenty twenty
four election, and I think that was recognized. And so
what had happened was this Charlie Kirk basically got Charlie
Kirk woke up the youth in America. The college campuses
(10:46):
have been kind of a hotbed of socialism, going back
to the hippie movement. You know, it used to be
that younger people tend to vote very far left. When
they get a bit older and start paying taxes, they
realize that those policies don't work so well. And you know,
Charlie Kirk was really working to change that. A lot
of young people were starting to realize, you know what,
(11:07):
the enemy I've been taught is not the real is
not the real enemy. And you know, some of the
stuff I'm being taught in school is not the truth.
They realized they were being basically miseducated, said false history
and said a lot of false arguments. Charlie Kirk was
going there exposing it, and a lot of kids were saying,
you know what, this is what's really going on, and
(11:29):
they started really espousing that. What I also saw was
that after the twenty twenty four election, a lot of
the media started doing hit pieces on Charlie Kirk. New
York Times made it like a personal vendebted to destroy
Charlie Kirk. A lot of the media establishment was pulling
all kinds of narratives based on just false information, you know, misrepresentation,
(11:51):
half quotes and so on, trying to frame him as
racist and bigoted and all these things because I think
politically they recognize is they had to destroy him to
destroy what he represented.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Have they done that in the last three or four months.
Is Charlie Kirk bigger today than he was when he
was murdered on September the tenth?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Is the movement growing? Is the movement?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The same. Is it going to fail? Is it a
false high? Is it whipped cream and not real? If
I would have you on Joshua Philippin about a year
from now, what will you say a year from now
about the movement?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I would say the movement? Okay. So after tum Kirk died,
he had his memorial in Arizona. It was incredible. I mean,
anybody who was there knows this. They had two stadiums full,
even aside from two completely filmed stadiums, you had overflow
space people they had to turn away, like hundreds of thousands.
(12:50):
I remember walking into the press area and it's kind
of in the middle of the stadium, and you just
saw something take place that day that I've never seen.
I mean, a lot of people said he was a monitor.
A lot of people said that, you know, maybe in
his death he was even more powerful than he was
in his life because of what he inspired and all
the people who are there. I think that his legacy
(13:11):
is now being dragged through the mud because there's a
lot of people are not trying to turn into other debates.
They're fighting against him. They're fighting against turning point. People
are tearing each other's throats. I think we'll have to
see what happens with Charlie Kirk's legacy, because what I
saw that day and what also happened as people are
trying to start up a edition Returning Point chapters, I
(13:32):
mean tenfold increase in requests for him. That was an
incredible movement. But in fighting people spreading rumors, this kind
of things, I think that does risk tearing it all
down and nothing will be achieved that that happens.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Headline out of Colorado quote Colorado professor emeritus calls Turning
Point USA supporters Nazis, flips off camera after a chapter
is approved on the campus as David Kozak ko Zak Kozak,
former professor of anthropology at Fort Lewis College, was caught
(14:08):
on camera calling students their Nazis and flipping them off
and after the chapter was approved. I've seen many examples
where students overturning tables, defacing minu mentioned Charlie Kirk. Fort
Lewis College in Colorado said that mister Kozak is no
longer employed.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
By the institution.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I guess that's a positive, but can you answer quickly
the charge of the radical left to smear Charlie Kirk
that he was a racist and a Nazi.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hear that constantly. What's your response to that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It's a false narrative that has been formed over the
course of close to a decade, going back to twenty seventeen. Actually,
my documentary focuses on exposing how those false narratives were
formed and developed.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And it's ongoing. The documentary is Truth under Fire. And
you had great success I see with the COVID nineteen
documentary in twenty twenty some seventy five million views. And
we'll see what happens. His legacy now is up to
us to decide. I seldom see positive stories in the
mainstream media about Charlie Kirker, Erica Kirk. And when they
(15:18):
had that big memorial service, et cetera. It was on CNN,
non on MSNBC, And now here we are a few
months later, and guess what Nazis and brown shirts and
racists or filling the air whenever turning point USA. Nothing
can be further from the truth. The three principles of
Charlie Kirk were God, family, and America. And you don't
(15:41):
hear much of that on college campuses. Well, God family
in America, and what is the website to where I
can direct people towards this for this documentary, they can.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Go to epictv dot com, epochtv dot.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Com, epictv dot com. And once again, Joshua Phillips, you're
a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And I'd get you back on in four or five
months to see the effect of this. How many views
there have been, what kind of reaction hasn't been. He's
being vilified and crucified and blasphemed all over college campuses.
Nothing could be further from the truth. It was all
(16:15):
about God, family and America. Nothing wrong with those principles.
Once again, Joshua, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And Joshua, you're a great American. Give my best to
all the people epic and etc. And keep doing what
you're doing. Thank you, Joshua, appreciate it. Thank you, God
bless you all. Let's continue with more news coming up
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Bill cunning in Great American, of course, one of the
apostles I think of the twenty first century. I'll call
him the Saint Paul the twenty first century. It was
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
To me, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Amazing how the left needs to vilify him quickly, even
more than they've done in the past, to make sure
his message is not heard. I would note there's a
couple of stories out recently about colleges that have refused
Turning Point USA chapters, including the riot that took place
at Berkeley. So the radical left has to demonize Charlie
Kirk despite his christian like message, because it is feared
(00:37):
that if many college kids develop a conservative philosophy about
God and about family and about America that's so positive
about our country that they may become, shall we say, conservatives,
form family structures, worship God, and also salute the American flag,
which are some of the principles of Charlie Kirk during
his lifetime. I still can't believe Charlie is murdered as
(00:59):
of number tenth.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It was awful. We'll find out how.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The trial takes place later next year, but there's a
documentary out Captain Kirk Captain Kirk a new documentary set
for release, How a Young Leader Charted the way forward
for the next generation of great Americans. Joining you and
on now is the creator of that documentary, Joshua Phillips
and Joshua Welcome to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first
of all, before we get into the history of what
(01:23):
Charlie Kirk did, starting about twelve or thirteen years ago,
do you find it amazing that colleges, which should be
arsenals of democracy, colleges that should allow the free flow
of ideas, especially at Berkeley, where free speech supposedly began
back about fifty years ago, that colleges are barring Turning
Point USA chapters from forming.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Do you find that surprising?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I should find it surprising. Unfortunately I don't,
because this is the pattern we've seen. I actually just
spoken an event to California with Rob Schneider, who is
you know, one of the main speakers at that event.
In Berkeley's attack, they got they got attacked by Antifa.
I will ask a question, though, why do college campuses
allow Antifa to shut down events but they don't allow
(02:10):
a Christian conservative organization to operate? You a good question
to ask.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, Rob Schnauder was at that event, and we've haent
on assistant US attorneys who are going to pursue that
possibly criminal charges.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Let's go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Charlie Kirk went to college quite briefly and said him
out of here. Explained the origins of Charlie Kirk when
he got out of high school, a brilliant guy. The
messages you got to go to college, get that sheepskin,
you got to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He briefly went and left.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Why maybe the same reason of a lot of the
big successful names tend to follow the same battern. You know,
I did the same thing. I went to college for
a couple of years that you know what, I'm not
really doing anything with it. I'm gonna do something else,
and the same same way with a lot of people
like that. I think the unfortunate reality is college colleges
don't educate people like they used to. And I mean
(02:59):
I'm not trying to, you know, shoot it down, people
have degrees or whatever. But I do think being self
educated will teach you things that you're not going to
be taught in college these days. And I think what
is being recognized is that a lot of kids are
being sold a bad deal. They go to college, they
get their degree, they graduate, and they find that they
can't do a lot with it because they've been miseducated,
(03:22):
or they've just been taught activism. They've been taught how
to go in protest, but not how to go and
find a job.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So really they're indoctrinated, not educated.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And one stack came out from the Gallupole a few
days ago that forty percent of young women want to
leave America forty percent, and so the promises and most
of these women are highly educated. When I see protests today,
Joshua Phillips, I see often bright, a young educated white
females that are angry at everything and they want to
(03:51):
leave the country.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's an example of bad education.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Correct fully agreed. And it's unfortunate too. I mean, imagine you,
you know, you raise a daughter, bring her up right,
she goes to college. You know, you pay what fifty
thousand a year or whatever it is. They come out
of it, they can't find a job, they hate the country,
and they think that totalitarian communism or socialism is the
(04:14):
answered all their problems. They want to bring a system
into place that has killed with you know what, one
hundred million to one hundred and sixty million people, and
I think that's good. But they think America is evil.
I think that is a result of an absolutely failed education,
total misrepresentation of history.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Joshua Phillip, Why did Turning Point USA succeed so greatly?
I'm going to ask you later, what's the future when
they When the leader dies, often the movement dies. But
what made Turning Point USA successful during the living years
of Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, I think what made Turning Points so successful
is that Charlie Kirk went to the college campuses and
basically called them out. He was the guy saying, hey,
the emperor has no clothes. And then when he's said that,
everybody said, you know what. I saw that too, and
I didn't want to say it. He was going to
college campuses, getting on the microphone and saying, hey, whoever
(05:08):
disagrees with me, most grab the microphone, Let's have a conversation.
Bring your professors out. I will debate your professors in
front of you. And he was making absolute fools out
of them because he was exposing it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's why it succeeded, and it grew from a little
colonel into a huge mountain of ideas. When this happened,
when Charlie was murdered because of what he was saying,
almost immediately the memes on YouTube, there were hundreds of thousands,
generally young, educated white females, mocking the murder of a
father and a husband in an odd way. Did that
(05:45):
help turning point movement go forward? Or because didn't it
expose who they are?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I think it exposed the radicals, and I think it
exposed Let's put it this way, a lot of the
people who promote socialism do it under the guise of
moral good. They say, I'm a good person, you're an
evil person. I'm the I'm the one who's right by history,
and you're you know, you're the one, you know, basically
(06:12):
doing the wrong thing. As soon as they come out
and they support the murder of a man in front
of his children, you know, being shot of a neck,
will trying to have an open debate someone someone whose
only crime was to engage in discussion, and they're saying,
I hate freedom of speech so much that if someone
disagrees with me, I want to see them murdered in
front of their in front of their children. For somebody
(06:35):
to be like that show that they lose the moral
high ground. And when people recognize, oh, you don't. These
people don't believe in kindness, These people don't believe in honesty,
these people don't believe in debate, the mask falls off
and you see them for what they are, and a
lot of people say, you know what you know? Rather
than retreating into the shadows, what happened was a lot
(06:55):
of college could said I'm going to go be just
like Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk, and I'm going
to do exactly what he did.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What surprised you most in this documentary about it's called
Captain Kirk. What surprised you about the internal dynamics and
growth of Turning Point USA.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, So it's called I think Captain Kirk was the
marketing things, but it's called that truth under Fire, the
framing of Charlie Kirk. But but what surprised me the
most actually was actually what I really dug into was
how Charlie Kirk was framed. I wanted to do two
things with his documentary. One is set right the legacy
(07:36):
of Charlie Kirk, and two is to expose what led
to his death. You know, how is he how there's
a hit piece machine that tries to ruin people's reputations,
destroy their organizations, destroy their finances, make them too afraid
to speak out, and ultimately lead to threats of violence,
which can result in actual violence, which is exactly what
(07:57):
happened to Charlie Kirk. But all so, just because I
think his legacy is being undermined right now, I wanted
to do something that explains what did he actually stand for?
Who was Charlie Kirk? What values did he espouse and
what effect most importantly, what effect did he have on
young people?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, I would ask you the question, what values did
Charlie Kirk espouse? What was his belief system? Did it
evolve over the twelve years of his public life? What
do you say about that?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know? My conclusion is this, I don't think we
can replace someone like Charlie Kirk. He was a rare
individual because he had the ability to bring people together
across differences. I think for the conservative movement in particular,
he was a uniting force. He brought together. I mean, honestly,
(08:51):
you look at the Civil War among conservatives right now,
Charlie Kirk had his pastor speaking, He had you know,
Candice Owen speaking at events previously. He had Tucker Carlton
speaking at the recent ones. He brought together conservatives who
don't agree with each other, and that is challenging to do.
He brought together religious denominations that are very different from
(09:11):
each other. He brought them all together under a single
roof and said, you know what, put those aside. We
know we have a country to say. It's basically, we
have something we need to stand for that is that
is broader than our differences. And I think what he
focused on instead was the issues. He focused on this
is what our kids are being taught, this is this
is this is the problem in our country that if
(09:33):
we don't resolve it, we're going to lose our country.
He focused on those types of things, not all the
not all the petty squabbling. And I think the effect
of Charlie Kirk was visible when I when I went
to colleges and I talked to young kids and I said,
why are you here? What are you doing? And I
talked to some of the people the turning point chapters.
Despite the disagreements, we're now seeing at the surface the
(09:56):
legacy of Charlie Kirk does live on in the youth,
and a lot of them were deeply inspired to you know,
find their faith, to become more religious, to not be
afraid of speaking out, to talk about their values, to
not be silenced. I think his legacy will live on
in the youth.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How critical was Charlie Kirk in that movement to the
re election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, I think he was honestly so successful that a
lot of the media establishment wanted to I think without
Charlie Kirk, Trump would not have won the twenty twenty
four election, and I think that was recognized. And so
what had happened was this Charlie Kirk basically got Charlie
Kirk woke up the youth in America. The college campuses
(10:46):
have been kind of a hotbed of socialism, going back
to the hippie movement. You know, it used to be
that younger people tend to vote very far left. When
they get a bit older and start paying taxes, they
realize that those policies don't work so well. And you know,
Charlie Kirk was really working to change that. A lot
of young people were starting to realize, you know what,
(11:07):
the enemy I've been taught is not the real is
not the real enemy. And you know, some of the
stuff I'm being taught in school is not the truth.
They realized they were being basically miseducated, said false history
and said a lot of false arguments. Charlie Kirk was
going there exposing it, and a lot of kids were saying,
you know what, this is what's really going on, and
(11:29):
they started really espousing that. What I also saw was
that after the twenty twenty four election, a lot of
the media started doing hit pieces on Charlie Kirk. New
York Times made it like a personal vendebted to destroy
Charlie Kirk. A lot of the media establishment was pulling
all kinds of narratives based on just false information, you know, misrepresentation,
(11:51):
half quotes and so on, trying to frame him as
racist and bigoted and all these things because I think
politically they recognize is they had to destroy him to
destroy what he represented.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Have they done that in the last three or four months.
Is Charlie Kirk bigger today than he was when he
was murdered on September the tenth?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Is the movement growing? Is the movement?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The same. Is it going to fail? Is it a
false high? Is it whipped cream and not real? If
I would have you on Joshua Philippin about a year
from now, what will you say a year from now
about the movement?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I would say the movement? Okay. So after tum Kirk died,
he had his memorial in Arizona. It was incredible. I mean,
anybody who was there knows this. They had two stadiums full,
even aside from two completely filmed stadiums, you had overflow
space people they had to turn away, like hundreds of thousands.
(12:50):
I remember walking into the press area and it's kind
of in the middle of the stadium, and you just
saw something take place that day that I've never seen.
I mean, a lot of people said he was a monitor.
A lot of people said that, you know, maybe in
his death he was even more powerful than he was
in his life because of what he inspired and all
the people who are there. I think that his legacy
(13:11):
is now being dragged through the mud because there's a
lot of people are not trying to turn into other debates.
They're fighting against him. They're fighting against turning point. People
are tearing each other's throats. I think we'll have to
see what happens with Charlie Kirk's legacy, because what I
saw that day and what also happened as people are
trying to start up a edition Returning Point chapters, I
(13:32):
mean tenfold increase in requests for him. That was an
incredible movement. But in fighting people spreading rumors, this kind
of things, I think that does risk tearing it all
down and nothing will be achieved that that happens.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Headline out of Colorado quote Colorado professor emeritus calls Turning
Point USA supporters Nazis, flips off camera after a chapter
is approved on the campus as David Kozak ko Zak Kozak,
former professor of anthropology at Fort Lewis College, was caught
(14:08):
on camera calling students their Nazis and flipping them off
and after the chapter was approved. I've seen many examples
where students overturning tables, defacing minu mentioned Charlie Kirk. Fort
Lewis College in Colorado said that mister Kozak is no
longer employed.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
By the institution.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I guess that's a positive, but can you answer quickly
the charge of the radical left to smear Charlie Kirk
that he was a racist and a Nazi.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hear that constantly. What's your response to that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It's a false narrative that has been formed over the
course of close to a decade, going back to twenty seventeen. Actually,
my documentary focuses on exposing how those false narratives were
formed and developed.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And it's ongoing. The documentary is Truth under Fire. And
you had great success I see with the COVID nineteen
documentary in twenty twenty some seventy five million views. And
we'll see what happens. His legacy now is up to
us to decide. I seldom see positive stories in the
mainstream media about Charlie Kirker, Erica Kirk. And when they
(15:18):
had that big memorial service, et cetera. It was on CNN,
non on MSNBC, And now here we are a few
months later, and guess what Nazis and brown shirts and
racists or filling the air whenever turning point USA. Nothing
can be further from the truth. The three principles of
Charlie Kirk were God, family, and America. And you don't
(15:41):
hear much of that on college campuses. Well, God family
in America, and what is the website to where I
can direct people towards this for this documentary, they can.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Go to epictv dot com, epochtv dot.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Com, epictv dot com. And once again, Joshua Phillips, you're
a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And I'd get you back on in four or five
months to see the effect of this. How many views
there have been, what kind of reaction hasn't been. He's
being vilified and crucified and blasphemed all over college campuses.
Nothing could be further from the truth. It was all
(16:15):
about God, family and America. Nothing wrong with those principles.
Once again, Joshua, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And Joshua, you're a great American. Give my best to
all the people epic and etc. And keep doing what
you're doing. Thank you, Joshua, appreciate it. Thank you, God
bless you all. Let's continue with more news coming up
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