Tri-State Chevy Dealers Bengals Postgame Show - 10/26/2025

Chick Ludwig & Bruce Kozerski break down the Bengals loss from today along with your calls.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
From We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings
five oh nine Ohio Pike, and you are listening to
the tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports talk presented by
Rnel Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig and I'm alongside Bengals
legendary offensive lineman Bruce Kozerski, and we're breaking down the

(00:30):
bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New
York Jets at pay Course Stadium like a wrecking ball.
Mike Mills is are awesome on site. Engineer Liam Tomlinson
is producing back in our Kenwood studios wings burgers, sandwiches, salads, appetizers,
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wings and Rings has it all.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The number to dial if you can't be here in person.
The number to dial is five to one to three,
seven nine, seven thousand or one eight hundred the Big
One and Bruce. I've been following the Bengals since their
inception in nineteen sixty eight. In this game today ranks
near the top of one of the most disappointing, upsetting,

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embarrassing losses in memory because it came against a terrible
seven New York Jets team and on of all days.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
The Ring of Honor Game, The Ring of Honor honoring.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Dave Lapham and leap and Lamar Parrish, and the Bengals
led this game throughout ten to nothing, seventeen to three,
twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, thirty eight
to twenty four, and they lose thirty nine to thirty eight.
How in the world do you explain this?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Ah in seven, they're all in seven, there are at
home fourteen point lead with ten minutes ago. My wife
and I had a gout to get to the show
on time. So by the time we got to the
lower concourse, they were down by eight or down by six.
And then we get to the car and they scored.
The Jets scored the league that the touch ONWN and
go ahead. It's frightening, it's frightening. You just can't have

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enough points.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
This defense is absolutely terrible, terrible.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
You score thirty eight points and you lose this football game. Now,
as bad as the defense is. Near the end of
this game, in the fourth quarter, after the Bengals final touchdown,
they three and out and then they melt down on
their final drive.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I know for three weeks we were talking about how bad.
This Bengals offense is right. Joe Fokker comes in here
and now they're going up and down the field scoring points.
You can't say at the end of the game that
one series where they went three and now, now that
was a critical three and out, but all game on
a great job. It's it was the first quarter our
defense was playing lights out. The second quter that just

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made some adjustments and all of a sudden, you can't
stop the pass. And then we make some adjustments and
all of a sudden, you can't stop the run. Now
you got defenders on all parts of the defense. You
gotta be able to stop both of them. Occasionally, nothing,
nothing was pathetic.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
The New York Jets were zero and seven, but they
had five losses within a touchdown, within a score. Two
points against Pittsburgh, two point loss to Tampa Bay, six
point lost to Miami, two point loss to Denver, a
seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers. And today they

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come into pay Course Stadium and somehow, some way win
this game thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Their offense hadn't been producing, the defense was playing very
well all year long. Yes, today they're played terribly. We
had the Bengals had one hundred and ninety yards rushing.
When's the last time that happened? Right, we had a
very balanced offense passing and throwing. But now now their
offense plays lights out because it's against our defense. So

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what is the problem is that our offense is our defense.
They're not playing complimentary ball. That ball they haven't done
it all year long.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
The Jets roll up five hundred and two total offensive
yards against the Bengals, three ninety eight, two forty eight passing,
and the Bengals defense gets lit up, trampled for two
hundred and fifty four rushing yards by the New York Jets.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It is just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
There on that touchdown run, you're the goal line for
the Jets. I'm watching it and there's four guys for
the Bengals lined up on the right side, and the
running back just runs to the left side, untouched into
the end zone.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Why can't the linebackers.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Fill the gaps and tackle somebody. The tackling is the
poorest in the National Football League on the part of
the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I'm sitting up in the where I was watching.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I had pretty good seats and and uh they they
had an extra offensive lineman on the field and two
tight ends, and many of the times they lined those
all those extra guys off to the same side, and
our defensive line never shifted over. No, no, never shifted over.
I'm thinking that would be the worst. That would be
the first thing they would do against the offense line
that I played on. You know, as good as we

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had Anthony moves over there, if we got an extra
line with the Joe Walter and two tight ends outside,
they're gonna overshift it that direction. We would expect them
to nothing.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
There we are. It's a credible loss.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, unexpected five seven nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,
the big one. Bad football makes for great radio. We'll
say that. Uh, this is the place to vent. Okay,
thirty nine to thirty eight. I mean, an unbelievably beautiful day.
You're honoring Dave Lapham and my good friend leap and

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Lamar Parrish, the most electrifying player who has ever worn
a Cincinnati Bengals jersey, leaping Lamar. No one has has
accomplished what that guy has accomplished. Every time he touched
the ball, he was thinking to the house, just an amazing,
amazing player. To have them both here and you're playing

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against the Jets and you lose on Ring of Honor Day.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It is just embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, it's uh as as a former player sitting up
there with all those alumni had been that had come
back for this game, it was it was frustrated every
one of us, but you had a feeling at some
point that it was going to happen, because no matter
how many times we scored, they came right back down
score to catch up. In the day we scored, then
they got the two for at halftime because they got

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the field goal right before halftime, and then they got
the touchdown after half.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Times like, oh here we go.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I was secretly hoping that Chase Brown would go
down at the one instead of pushing his way into
the end zone kills some time there to not let
them get the ball back. So but Brown scored the touchdown.
They did get down there and kick a field goal.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
At the end of the half.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So but the second half and that last quarter, uh yeah,
the Jets and Justin Fields.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I think I don't think Chase Brown thought about for
a second not scorer right there, because as often as
often as he's run the ball, how hard has it
been to get one yard? There are games when he
couldn't get a yard up the.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Field, Yes, and two two point conversions on the part
of the Jets, And once they got within six, with
plenty of time to go, uh seven fifty two to go,
you could just see what was coming.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
There was that that's traditionally what happens here instead of
being able to come down ice it. Now we have occasionally,
but that's that's not been the staple. What the staple
has been is that when we have that kind of lead,
we give up the points and they come back and
win too many, too many times too often. And it's
sad because you know, the organization has done everything they

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can put and putting good players on the roster, and
at this some point they're just not performing. I saw
was coaches in certain spots, players in certain spots being weak,
not playing well. But you know, here we are again
looking at a situation we should have been, should have
been five hundred going and another game with the Bears
and a bye week and things looking good, and now

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we're second guesting ourselves again.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Everybody except the New York Chats had the Bengals easily
winning this football game. Kay, Garrett Wilson didn't play their
best wide receiver, and yeah, so many players down.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
For the Jets.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
But yeh, that's why they play the game.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's the NFL any given Sunday, and this was the
Sunday for the New York Jets.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And I go back a week and say, who would
have expected the Bengals to beat the Steelers?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So what it turned around in eleven days, the highest
high on a Thursday night, beating the Pittsburgh Steelers and
playing great, and then the lowest of the low today
losing to the Jets. And the Bengals let them hang
around and hang around, and they get clipped at the end.
It was a It turned into a track meet, and
the Jets crossed the finish line first.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It reminds me of a team that's that's closed. They
have all the pieces and sometimes the gears click and
sometimes they just fall flat. And then that seems to
be what we're getting here, is when the when the
machine's going smoothly, all the gears are clicking, and they
score a lot of points.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Defense plays well.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Had not seen a complete game where all three phases
of the game, Aymoor are on the same page. Uh.
Even today we had one kickoff late in the game.
We had that it was that one. We had the
fourteen lead in the fourth quarter, we kicked the ball
into the end zone instead of making them return, so
they get the ball in thirty five instead of the
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's Bruce Kazerski. This is Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
We're here at the Beachmont Wings and Rings until eight
thirty and you're invited and if you can't be here
in person, feel free to join us by calling five one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand or one eight hundred the big one.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Oh. I want to say, who Day.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wanted this to be a victory on Ring of
Honor Day, but it's a big time downer. Nevertheless, it's
awesome to be here at Wings and Rings on beat
at Beachmont on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
We're back at.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
The Beachmont Wings and Rings five O nine Ohio Pike
Chick Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski. If you're listening to the
Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers,
Bengals fall to the New York Jets thirty nine to
thirty eight. We're breaking it down like a wrecking ball,
and we're taking your calls. And first up here is

(11:16):
Kyle in Fairfield. Kyle, are you there.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
I'm here, man, Just try to find me off the ledge.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
All right, Yes, I'm there. I went overboard.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Man.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
I have so many things to say. I'm trying to
keep it short.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
All right, Please do thank you.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
I had a lot of faith in my defense.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
I had a lot of faith in our defense.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Last week, coming off that Thursday.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
We got the stops when we needed to, Okay.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
And then today comes and we.

Speaker 8 (11:48):
Just can't stop Junior varsity middle school team.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
The Jets had so many guys out. They were playing.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
Their second third train guys, and I don't get it,
Like there's just nothing that that can be done until
our whole coaching staff is gone. I've lost faith. Please
talk me out of it. I'm pretty much giving up
on the season. I would I would think that if

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we got to win today it would have been all right.
But with the results today, I'm done. Please talk me
out of it.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, Kyle, appreciate the call. Thanks so much. Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
We talked, Bruce when you came in that they just
the coverage got soft in the zone and and then
Justin Fields picked him apart.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And the tackling was awful.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It seemed to be in the first quarter everything that
the Bengals did on defense was working. They were getting
tackles for losses, they were breaking up passes. I mean,
the owner of the Jets was criticizing their starting quarterback
last week, yes, and and blaming everything on him, so
he put extra pressure on this guy. So the guy's
gonna play great. He didn't play great. He just played
okay because there was so much room and so many

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places for him to throw the ball with receivers that
weren't the starting receivers. It's you know, we had we had,
we had a nice two score lead early. We got safe.
You got safe, you give up a score. So then
we come back and we get a score. So you
play safe again, you give a score. And it was
a back and forth, and then it was only a
matter of time before our offense eventually had a miss. Yes,

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you know, and and it seemed like when that happened,
they just I don't understand that that game is a.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
You know, it's a sixty minute game.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Unless you play your your your back, your butt off
for four quarters, that you can't win in this league.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
You got to you can't play safe.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Ever, Pat is in Redding. Pat, Are you there.

Speaker 9 (13:44):
Just a couple of points about the defense, then I
have a specific question about the offense. Only our defense
could make the Jets look good. I mean, they scored
six points against the Panthers and thirty nine against US.

Speaker 10 (14:00):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (14:01):
I can't imagine that there's any team in the NFL
that has the worst defense. I think that lou and Arumo.
Isn't he with the Colts now?

Speaker 11 (14:11):
I mean he was apparently the sacrificial lamb last year.
It's not the coach, it's the players. And then finally
my question about the offense. I don't know if either
one of you saw this, but they re showed the
third down play at the end of the game and

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they said that Flacco had no one to throw to.
They showed it from the from the from Flacco's viewpoint,
and it looked to me like Jamar was open.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
Am I crazy? I mean, would Joe Burrow not have
tried to throw it to him? That's the one where
he just threw it way out about do you know
what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, Well, I believe in my heart of hearts that
the Joe Flockele thought Joe Burrow thought Chase was open,
he had thrown the ball. I think he throws in
the ball when he's not open sometimes because he trusts
He trusts him that much. But there are things that
you just can't see. Sometimes you're you're you. You gotta

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play called and your your route choice takes you one, two, three,
and and Chase might have been the third route on
that and then he got flushed from the pocket, didn't
have then he had his eyes got changed, and now
he doesn't see Jamar getting open. So everything, anything can happen. Uh,
quarterbacks got so much going on in the backfield. He's
got to feel the pass rush, not look at the
pass rush, because he if.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
He looks at the pass rush, he can't see downfield.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
He's got to to go through his route progression in
a in a prescribed order. He can't make it up
as he goes. And uh, you know, based on what
they're showing, Chase was getting double covers late in the game.
Maybe he shouldn't have been open. Maybe that's why he
never got there.

Speaker 9 (15:56):
Okay, and oh, one thing I forgot Henderson obviously.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
Didn't look like him fell.

Speaker 9 (16:02):
Is there anybody that thinks like me that it wouldn't
be surprising if he doesn't play another down this year.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
No, he's hurt.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's hurting, and he got hurt on the play in
in the Pittsburgh game. I saw that one where he
got hit by he got chipped on by a running back,
and then he got hit again today, uh and stopped,
and I think it might have reaggravated it.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Fortunately, Fortunately, I hope it's fortunate they got the barriers in.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Then the bye week that might give him the two
or three weeks he needs to get that hit back
in shape, because today was an experiment. They played him
to see if it would hold up, and obviously.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It didn't, not making any not making any.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
But same defense that played without him last week.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
He got pushed on a on a uh, he got
pushed and it was blatant right in front of the
referee and no flat was called. And on that play
he reacted cravated his hip.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we noticed that.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Okay, all right, Pad appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
The critical series once Breese Hall went right around right
end for twenty seven yards and then the two point conversion, okay,
to pull the Jets within thirty eight to thirty two.
The Bengals go three and out, and that that really hurt,
because the Jets took over was six point fifty to go.

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Put together another the scoring drive and the Breese Hall
and when you're zero and seven, you're gonna pull out
all the stops. A half back pass to a tight
end Mason Taylor from Breese Hall, and.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I would I would have expected that to happen earlier
in the game, no doubt, kept it in their pocket
till it early mattered.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
That's exactly I was thinking about that multiple time. It's
not the game.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know, in certain situations, this is a long thirty
young long yard situation, you get some kind of a
reverse toss pass or or some ik gimmicky play where
you get a receiver wide open because you're pursuing a
different play. But then then happened till that point.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Devon is in Ashland. Are you there?

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Devon?

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
How are you guys hanging in?

Speaker 12 (18:17):
Well, we've all taken blood pressure medicine to that terrible
collapse by a defensive team. Mike Brown or the GM
should have stopped sack Taylor and the defensive coordinator before

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going into the locker room and said, you are a
relief of your duties. Don't come back here anymore. It
was terrible.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Devin appreciate that. Uh yeah, the frustration by fans, I
can oh, you can hear it. You could hear it
in the caller's voices, Thank you very much. It has
to be working its way through.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
The organization have to chain and as I said earlier,
you know, Zach's gonna put some points on the board,
but the control of the organization and all the other
stuff that goes along with it. They haven't played three
phases really in a long time.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
And and you know, you make choices as a head
coach and you got to live with them. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
There were so many great drive starts by the Jets
and the Bengals drive starts not very good.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Well, but they moved the ball up and down the field.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
They really did it, with the exception of the one
or two times, uh in my opinion that we did
punt the ball. We got we got some really nice
efforts down get him in a rather ten yard line,
twelve yard line? Uh, give him some long fields to
work with. Uh, but you can't stop somebody. How is
it that you're so up and down from week to week?
You know when, like for three weeks the city was

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crying about the interceptions and the ineptitude, the inability to
run the ball on offense and all the chaos going on.
And so the defense were they playing well or were
it was the offense playing bad? Now that you really
didn't notice the defense, And now the defense has an
opportunity to stop somebody and they can't, And it's frustrated.
As a fan, I get it a bit on all

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sides of this.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Believe me.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I played for a long time and seen a lot
of bad football, and I just hope that at some
point this group gets it together, because if not, then
by the time Joe Burrow is ready to come back,
it won't much matter. And right now, it's not the
quarterbacking that's going on, as Cousin's problem, the team to
lose games.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Hey, we're going out to Boston with John. Are you there? John?

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yes, sir chick?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
How you doing? Bruce?

Speaker 13 (20:35):
Nice and talk to you, fellow. Yes, sir John, Yes,
sir Chick, you have a Hall of Fame voice for radio.
Let me tell you that much. You are fantastic. Who's
your knowledge is perfect? So I'm so glad to get
a chance to speak to you guys.

Speaker 14 (20:48):
Not to blame the offense when you score thirty eight points,
but who's is an offensive lineman?

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Do you think they abandoned the run a little bit?

Speaker 14 (20:53):
They only had twenty three rushers today, and they had
a two score lead for most of that game. It
seemed like they weren't off winning the football, but they
suffed themselves occasionally in a couple of key situations.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I'm not sure how many total plays they had. Twenty
two rushers might have been about almost half half the plays.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, yeah, in the total plays, seventy to fifty eight, Yeah,
seventy to fifty eight on the.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Part of the chest.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, but you can also have to add some of
those some of those little little quick passes to Jamar
are considered runs. He catch the ball at the last
screwage and scories for five or six yards. That's almost
considered a run anymore in the NFL. So it really
it's really confusing. When you look at just the run
past stats, it's a complete pass and against six yards
on that's that's a run because you're you're throwing it.

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You get two blockers to beat three defenders, and you're
gonna get six yards.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
That's a that's a win.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It is, John a great point.

Speaker 10 (21:47):
Great point.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
One more thing about the defense. I think a lot
of the problems with the defense. Jerry Montgomery, the defensive
line coach, is a disaster with.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
The Patriots last year. They're giving up two fewer yards
per play this year.

Speaker 14 (21:58):
Than they did last year when he's the D line coach.
He was also the D line coach at the Green
Bay Packers in twenty nineteen when they will gassed at
ten yards to carry in the NFC Championship game. I'm
just as you guys said, the defensive line looked drunk
out there, like they wouldn't even recognize what was taking
place at John.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
With that, we've reached the top of the hour break.
Really appreciate the call. He's Bruce Caserski. This is Chick Ludwig.
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Speaker 1 (23:35):
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Speaker 2 (23:50):
It will break it down the Bengals thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
To thirty eight loss to the New York Jets at
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until eight thirty tonight, and you're invited. If you can't
be here in person, feel free to join us by
calling five P one three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred, the Big One and Bruce. The Bengals led
this game thirty one to sixteen after three quarters, and
then they get outscored twenty three to seven in the

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fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
I've seen things happen.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
You know, at the end of the game, you know
you're back against the wall, you're down by that many points.
You open it up to say, we gotta throw caution
to the wind. If there's a chance, we got to
just throw caution to the wind. An attack, attack, attack.
But I've also seen defenses make it a lot more
difficult than that. I don't know how many times I
guess you can count maybe in under ten in the

(25:02):
last decade. How many teams have scored that many points
in one quarter when they're down in it?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
When they have, they struggled really all game and.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
The wild swings this year Bruce with the thirty eight
point blowout loss at Minnesota forty eight to ten, the
most lopsided loss in Bengal's history, and then today easily
one of the most disappointing, upsetting, and embarrassing losses that
I could think of in memory.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I know sometimes it's hard to find the right thing,
to do, the right solution, but there are times there
are very often, all too often with this team, it
seems like they don't have a solution. They can't they
can't find one, whether it's physically or whether it's schmatically,
to stop whatever is hurting them. And today they couldn't
stop the run and they couldn't stop the past. After

(25:54):
the first quarter again, I thought, the first quarter, I'm yelling,
I'm talking to all the Bengals greats that were sitting
around me. I thought, you know, who is this team?
Who is this defense? And then all of a sudden,
second quarter started. It was a different team.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
All we heard about all week was putting the boot
on the throat of this team and crushing them early
and crushing their spirit early. But they kept fighting back
in the Bengals let them hang around, and hang around.
The defense got soft and twenty three points in the
fourth quarter, and they shocked the Bengals thirty nine to

(26:28):
thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
It looked like the Jets just got off the bus.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, you know they didn't.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
They didn't get off the bus the first quarter, the
second quarter, turn around, and all of a sudden, they're
all a sudden.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
There a whole different team.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
They missed a fourth and inches first down, they go
for it deepen their own territory. Don't get it. The
Bengals capitalize on that score a touchdown, go up ten
to nothing. And you heard Dan Hord during the broadcast.
He disagreed with several of Aaron Glenn's calls. Now they're
on the plus side of the fifty and they kicked

(26:58):
the field goal. They're on the by the side of
the fifty. They go forward on fourth and one and
don't get it. So but the combination of their field goals,
their touchdowns, they're two point conversions, and then the Bengals
offense breaking down late in this game, and to add
it all up and it's uh, the Bengals fall really
nine to thirty eight? What a difference one point makes?

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I was on an one seventeen and you can't find
the right thing. You You're searching and searching and searching.
It seems like everything you do goes wrong. It's always
somebody's turned to mess it up. And that's what happened
late in that game. We just we couldn't find enough
defense to get on the field.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Do we have Penny in Middletown.

Speaker 16 (27:39):
I got a question on Need's Monday explain, okay, all right,
crushing the spirits? Well, come on, I don't understand how
many times I've seen Zach Taylor first play the game.
We're going for the touchdown, you know, the guys they
want to make it the once, and he says, oh, no,

(28:00):
let's just kick a field goal. I mean, it's the
beginning game, there's no points. Why not go for it
or there to go for it? And I don't understand
I'm in time again that he all kicked the field goal.
That I think not sending the right message to the players.

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Sometimes I wonder if they're shocked that he's calling that.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But there are other times though where he does go
for it on fourth down. But anyway, first and ten
at the twelve yard line, and then we got to
the eight yard line, we got to the show, go ahead,
say kick the field goal. You wind up going up
ten to nothing in this game, penny seventeen to three,
twenty four to ten, thirty one to sixteen, and thirty

(28:46):
eight to.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Twenty four with ten and a half minutes to go.

Speaker 16 (28:49):
If you lose, well, in my mind, hey, I would
have went for the first one, even though little risk,
that would have won the game. So I just I questioned, Zach,
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
You deserve he deserves up scrutiny, He deserves screw you.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Guess what goes along with being the head coach. You
know you're you're right when it works out good and
you're wrong when it doesn't work out.

Speaker 17 (29:20):
For the team.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You're constantly you're constantly getting second guests on your play selection.
Why did he run the ball on that third or
that second down at the end of the game when
they needed a first down? And uh in a two
minute offense type of thing, and they've been running to
successfully all day. So you're going to get second guests.
As a coach, you it's kind of built into the
job description, and so is getting fired. So's at some

(29:45):
point that's the nature of the beast. You don't plan
on living in a in a neighborhood forever, because when
you're in that business, there are no things, is for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Can he thanks so much for the call. Appreciate it,
all right, thank you, thank you. Hey, j We you
have Chef boyar D on the line.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Chef hey Check it's it's shape Boyard.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
All right, all right, Shafe.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
Good to hear from he, but good to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Check.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Hey.

Speaker 18 (30:15):
First of all, it drops to laugh and Leaf and Lamar.
I just want to give a mad preach to both
of those guys. But hey, man, I'm a thirty year
old season ticket holder. I've had season tickets for five years.
I worked really hard for these tickets, man, and they
are not cheap.

Speaker 17 (30:34):
Every year it's more expensive.

Speaker 18 (30:37):
It starts at eight hundred dollars a seat, and it
goes to nine hundred thousand dollars and this year is
twelve hundred dollars a seat. And I just I just
want to know, man, like, what incentive is there for me?
To renew these season tickets. With the results on the field,
I mean, what are Katie Toy and Mark Dylan to

(31:00):
make us want to believe in this team after today?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Even even if they had won on there, How are
they going to advance to the playoffs with this defense?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I truly believe that they're trying their very best. But
once you put the players on the field, you can't
do anything from the front office. You know, as a coach,
you call the plays. You can't do anything on the field.
Once the place called. All the work has done before
the game to play, the game plan, the the the

(31:35):
way you're going to tack a team on offense, and
the way you're going to attack a team on defense,
and the players have to go out and make plays.
And and uh my, my only mote of contention with
that the defense is after that first quarter when we
had the lead and it looked like all of a
sudden things got soft. Now, did the Jets make changes?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Uh, But then we have to CounterPunch. That's the whole
nature of the Beast, well is counterpunching. You make a change,
we make a change, you do something that works, we
stop it, and we make you go back to do
something else. I know as a coach, offensive coach, and
play caller for a long period of time, there's no
there's no perfect defense. You can't stop everything. You just

(32:17):
have to guess properly and do your best on those
plays where they get you where they where they guess,
I'll guess you. You have to make a play. And
that's what great teams do. They make great plays when
they really should have gotten beat on it. And we're
just not making plays at all, let alone great plays.

Speaker 10 (32:35):
Well, I'll tell you what they did.

Speaker 18 (32:37):
So the Bengals had these invoices drawn up right, and
so for season ticket holders at they had these invoices
ready to go. And as soon as we beat the
Steelers last Thursday, they sent them out to the season
ticket holders.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
And so now we have.

Speaker 18 (32:52):
Until October thirty first to renew our season tickets. So,
you know, tell me what would I do as a
season ticket holder between out and next Friday? You know,
I have to make a decision. Am I going to
spend you know, twenty four hundred dollars on season tickets?
And it's just the product isn't there. And I'm so conflicted.

(33:12):
I want to invest in this team that I want
them to invest in me, and it is it is
very difficult. As a season ticket holder, what would you do?

Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's purely a crapshoot in terms of.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
The coaches and the players matching with the coaches and
making it work. The front office is gonna hire people.
They're gonna hire people based on recommendations. They're going to
put the head coach in position to Your job depends
on the people you hire. And if you hire bad people,
you hire people that can't get the job done, then
then we have to make a decision. And I trust
that front office they're thinking about how they can fix

(33:46):
this from that perspective, but I I in terms of
what you see on the field, the only way you
can change and let them know your thoughts is to
to make that executive decision and say I'm going to
leave my season tickets for when you get good again.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I'll wait.

Speaker 18 (34:05):
But then and there's a waiting list, and it's just like, shoot,
I just missed that, and so.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
And so they got you, they got you, And I'm
not promoting. I'm not promoting turning season tickets. And because
I'm a huge fan myself and I've been up and
down with this team forever I had season tickets.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I gave him up. I got them back again.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I gave him up because of my my occupation, and
and and there there are times I wish I had
them back because I love the Bengals, I love the organization.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
It's just, uh, you.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Know, when from the top down you hire a head coach,
he puts his people in in in uh in line.
They get players and they coach them with the best
they can. And either the players aren't making plays or
some of the coaches aren't up to this, to the job.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
In shape, we've got to run. Appreciate the call as always.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thanks Chick, thank you. And he's Bruce Kazerski. This is
Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Ring five O
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Speaker 2 (35:12):
This is the place to vent. The Bengals lose.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
To the New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight
on seven hundred WLW and ESPN fifteen thirty. You're listening
to the Tri State Chevy Dealers postgame sports talk presented
by RNL Carriers following the bengals thirty nine to thirty

(35:36):
eight loss to the New York Jets, and we are
live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five o nine
Ohio Pike Chick Ludwig alongside the great Bengals legend Bruce Kazerski. Yes, yeah, Bruce,
You've got an entourage here, I do.

Speaker 19 (35:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Who's who's all here?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
My wife is sitting over there, my oldest son, Matt,
his son Gavin, little Bruchie over here. He's my younges,
one of my my youngest grandson, my son Adam, his
wife Brittany, Matt and Bryce for good friends of the family.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
So yeah, they're all out the joy it, enjoy the show.
And some wing great great wings here. So they came
out to joy, some food and some fun.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
You were at the game with a bunch of your Bengals.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, we're all down there to watch lap and and
and Lamar going into the the Ring of Honor, and
it was it was a great Saturday night at the stadium.
And then it was really nice to meet those guys
again talking around on the field about and limping around
all those old guys.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
But then you know, watching the game in the same
section with Jim McNally and all those guys really a
great time. We had a fun But sitting watching the game,
he's just like a first quarter I said, it was Tom,
who are these guys? Look how well they're playing? And
then the second quarter turned around. It was like, okay,
here we go. Now we got an experiment. Now we
got a one one play at a time. We don't
know what you're gonnaxpect flip a coin.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
And then the fourth quarter came and I can just
imagine what you guys are going through watching this.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Well, I get a ride coming. My son picked up,
but my wife I'm up at the stage, so we'd
have to park and find traffic.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And so we scored.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
We left as soon as they scored that touchdown went
up at fourteen?

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Was that ten men?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Mark chick? Yes.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
And by the time we got.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
To the concourse down outside walking the concourse to go
out to the main road, the Jets that scored again
got two point conversion.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Now they're down by six. By the time we got in.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
The car and I'm started up to cutting the hill
in the north of Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
They were losing and for me to get here, I
had to leave shortly after the third quarter ended. So
I'm listening to the game. Yeah, Lap and ed Horr.
Hear the stress and laps voice, could you Yes, you
really couldn't believe it?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yes, you couldn't believe it?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Making my way here from the Miamisburg War room, Yes,
but yeah, I love listening to Lap and Dan Horde.
But just yeah, the fourth quarter, you know, and I
mentioned it earlier. As bad as the defense play down
the stretch in this game, the offense didn't help them
late with a three and out and then a meltdown

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on the very final drive when they only needed twenty.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Plus yards to kick a possible game winning field goal.
But it should never have come down to that against.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
The Jets, any defense along the road, one more punt
and they had. They forced several punts, but not not
when the game.

Speaker 20 (38:25):
Not.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Once the offense started clicking and the Bengals defense was
like flat, they were lost. They didn't know whether a
pass or a run was coming because their their runs
were going for just as many yards as their passes.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Were.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I mean they had five runs or four runs over
twenty five yards. They had.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
The passing game was working real well, and Justin Fields
had a career day when he was you know, under
the gun from his owner. His owner is saying, we
got the worst quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well, Bruce, let's review the delivery of the game, brought
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mark of the second quarter, giving the Bengals a seventeen

(39:15):
to three advantage.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
He put a double move on him, He gave him
a little hitch move and then went right by him
and the defensive back was immediately three steps behind Tea
and that was game over. John did a great job
just laying it out there and let him go get it.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's exactly right, is Josh with us in Corbin?

Speaker 21 (39:34):
Yes, guys, Hey, thank you for schecking McColls. First off,
talking to you, and also it's an honor to speak
to mister Bruce Bzerski number sixty four.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Wow right here, that pretty pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I appreciate.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
So, yes, So we're driving back from the game.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
I'm almost back to Corbin.

Speaker 21 (39:55):
You know, I my thoughts that this is not a
personnel problem now at this point.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
I mean, it is the person that problem at this point.

Speaker 21 (40:05):
This is our coaches, our our front office. They bring
the players in, they evaluate them. We've got all this
going on, but now here we are. You know, I
don't think we're looking at our defense. Our offense has
been great for his ten quarters. There's nothing to do
with our quarter, with our offense. But here's the thing.
If you have a bunch of me out there, you

(40:27):
can coach me, and you can teach me where to
get in the right position. But because you recruited Josh,
he's not going to make the tackle. I might know
where to be at, but it don't matter how much
I know, we don't have the correct personnel. And until
the personnel on the defensive side is added to and changed, unfortunately,

(40:47):
we are not going to be able to compete on
the defensive side. I know we've got a few hurt,
but we this, you know, and I know Zach and
our front office is the one that brings the players in.
That's already a done deal.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
They can only coach up so much of.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
What they got.

Speaker 21 (41:02):
But guess what, we're stuck with what we got unless
we make some trades. But this is all you know,
we are personnel defensively is not where we need to coach.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
That got what he wanted.

Speaker 21 (41:15):
We're loaded offensively. The offensive line is starting to mash.
We're creating holes.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
They have been creating holes.

Speaker 21 (41:22):
But uh, we've got to if there's not changes, is
a personnel. Uh you know Logan Wilson was in the answer,
you know, Cam Britt changing him.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
We're looking for all.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Of these quick fixes.

Speaker 21 (41:35):
It's not the coaching and and I really I don't
I don't think it is the coaching.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
As far as making the right plays.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Right, It comes down to personnel.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It comes down to heaven yet players and exactly they
just don't They don't have it right now. Grab grab grab,
that's all Cam Taylor British doing in the defensive back.
Then with that, yeah, with that, we've reached the bottom
of the hour.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Break. We've got to run. We appreciate your chick.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski you're listening to the Tri State
Chevy Dealers postgame Sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers. We're
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Speaker 2 (42:17):
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
It fell down Here.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You're listening to the Tri Stage Chevy Dealers postgame sports
Talk presented by RNL carriers Chick Ludwig alongside Bruce Kazerski.
We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
O nine Ohio Pike breaking down the Bengals loss to
the New York Jets.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Thirty nine to thirty eight. It's still.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's still hard to believe that the Bengals just led
this game really throughout, but they let the Jets hang
around and this became a track meet and breaking the
tape first. The New York Jets thirty nine to thirty eight. Incredible,
and they had played five of their seven losses were
by one score, two points to Pittsburgh, two points to

(43:13):
Tampa Bay, six to the Miami Dolphins, two to the
Denver Broncos, a seven point loss to the Carolina Panthers,
and they were bound to win at some point.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I just didn't want it to be today.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Here's the amazing thing to me is the Jets came
in with a pretty good reputation on defense. Those are
some pretty good offenses that they kept the game closed for,
and we were going up and down the field scoring.
It was the other side of the ball, the justin
fields offense that had trouble moving, and that's why they
were under so much pressure for management and from the city.
And they're having a hard time. Questions should the coach

(43:46):
be fired? And that management says, it's not the coach's fault.
We got the worst rate quarterback in the NFL, and
now they're moving the ball up and down the field
on us. That was the part that you just can't accept.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Hey, let's go out to the fones. Welcome in? Is
it John in Cedarville? Point? Is John there?

Speaker 4 (44:10):
John?

Speaker 17 (44:11):
Yes, sir, I will be recorded the game, can you
guys hear me?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yes, yes we can.

Speaker 17 (44:18):
Hey, uh wow, where do we begin. I don't know
which fill.

Speaker 19 (44:24):
Is worst today's loss or last year's Patriot loss, but
I think they ranked probably about in the same category.

Speaker 22 (44:34):
And uh defensively for the Cincinnati Bengals. Today, he score
thirty eight points. Uh in a game you're expected to
win that game, I believe.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
And I don't know.

Speaker 23 (44:49):
That line is scream me defensively the sideline the sideline,
and it seems like they're they're not posting, and they're
not getting flow and stopping the wide runs left and right.

Speaker 17 (45:06):
And I don't know. It lacks leadership. And I don't
know why Logan Wilson didn't on the field defensively every play, even.

Speaker 19 (45:15):
If you want to play your young rookies, why not
go to a three to four on certain calls? And
offensively of that last series with Flaco, you don't have
time to drive the ball away. You got two the
premier receivers in the NFL. Do you send them on
streaks if you.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Need twenty yards, you get twenty.

Speaker 17 (45:36):
Yards and you kick the go go and you win
the ball game. There's no excuse for that. I don't
know why Joe went to the locker room.

Speaker 19 (45:43):
I never did hear what.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Was It was a shoulder issue.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It was a shoulder issue on his sack and John
we got to run.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Appreciate the call. It's it is a mystery.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
There was a time where a receiver from the Jets
in the slot goes out. It just does a like
a down and out, And was a Josh Newton fig
who just kind of let him go and he stayed
where he was.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
In the zone, and that's where the ball went.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
That's what I was referring to as a soft coverage.
You just can't imagine how how all of a sudden
you know you're backing out. It's almost a prevent. It
looked almost a prevent that tests. And in terms of
the quality losses. The first game last year against the Patriots,
you had no idea how bad they were.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
You know, you did?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
You know the Jets zero and seven? You you got
an offense that's going up and down the field. You
got to play some defense that that just can't happen.
And and uh, I've seen it, been part of been
part of it. It's unexplainable. You walk in the locker
room the next day, what the heck just happened? And
all you can do, if you're if you're legitimate about
fixing the problem is look in the mirror, say it's

(46:53):
not that guy.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
It's not that Guy's me.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
I'm doing something wrong and find your weaknesses because right
now they're not going to fix it the way they're
doing it.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do we have Mike and Cherry Grove?

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Yeah, guys, do you hear me?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Ye? Yes?

Speaker 6 (47:08):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (47:09):
How you doing Hey?

Speaker 24 (47:11):
Just a couple of points. We were gashing them on
the ground. I mean, p Ryan, what nine carries for
ninety nine yards? Case Brown looked good? That second to
last possession. You need to control the ball and run
the cloth and we throw three straight passes for incompletion.

(47:31):
I don't understand that. And then on the last possession
when you gotta go down the field, they did run
a running play.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
For no game.

Speaker 24 (47:40):
Zach Taylor goes away from the running game even when
it's successful.

Speaker 10 (47:44):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I think every time you every time an NFL offense
goes to the line of scrimmage, there's two or three
plays that have been called. You call one play, but
with that play, that's why you practice all week. That's
why the NFL playbook is so thick. There's there's two
plays with it. Maybe if you call a running play,
it might be a different running play based on what
the defense gives you, or it might be a check

(48:08):
to a pass and so whatsever whatever happens, whatever they've
been given the play is called, it turned into something.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
It turned into.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
A pass on that last series. The one time they
tried to run it, they got they got zero yardage.
I thought, in that situation, with the time running out,
they should have thrown it on that situation. But again, well,
Monday morning quarterback. The play selection is is is a
second guest that that I've lived with for a long
time coaching the way I did. But but the NFL, Uh,

(48:38):
it's just you can't all of a sudden stop executing right.

Speaker 25 (48:43):
Well, that's what happened is p Ryan was running like
a beat you got you got at least run run
on first down on your seconds possessions.

Speaker 17 (48:53):
You've got to control the cop.

Speaker 24 (48:54):
And get the ball down the field. And I don't
know why they didn't do it. Secondly, the guy calling
about keeping tickets or not my daughter as season tickets.

Speaker 10 (49:03):
I talked to her after the game. She was miserable.

Speaker 24 (49:06):
They found out that their tickets are going to six
dollars next year. Now, I just don't see where the
investment is in the team. And the last thing I
wanted to say, this game could have been the NFL
sixth Game of the week. Somebody made a lot of
money off this game.

Speaker 10 (49:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
In terms of in terms of putting the quality product
on the field, that's the coaches in this organization have
never had more freedom to pick the players that they want.
We've got a new defensive coordinator, with a new defensive
line coach, and a new linebacker coach and all those people
that come along with it. Their job is to get
the best out of those players within the system and
execute their talent with what they have because you can't

(49:50):
wholesale change an entire defense at one time. They're not
They're not getting it out of those guys right now,
and something has to change. Like Chick's been saying all
that long, they got a couple defensive backs that that
won't that won't tackle hard enough. I won't hit anybody
hard enough to get out of the paper bag. And
that's been going on all year long. And then they
got other some some guys that are playing their butt

(50:10):
off back there. So you know, it seems like and
water is always gonna run downhill in the NFL. They're
always going to tackle your weak spot and everybody coach,
every team that comes in here knows what your week's
weaknesses are. If you can't cover them up for a
long period of time, you're gonna get beat.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Bruce. All fans want their team to win.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Okay, So when it comes to season tickets for going
to the ballpark, I say the same thing to Reds fans.
You are seeing some of the greatest athletes in the
world win or lose on the football field. So you
have to love the game. Yes, you love the Bengals,
but to see some of the greatest athletes.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
In the world on one stage, to me, it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
The entertainment value, win or lose again, it's it's exceptional.
The show has never been better at the stage, the pregame,
the post game, the in between, all the different highlights
that go on around the stadium. It's a it's a
show for eight hours on a Sunday afternoon. Great way
to take the family down there. Uh right now, we
all live and die with wins and losses, and that's

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just the nature of the beast. We want to we
want to go through a drive through and be the
be be through in a minute. And when you're sitting
in line for two minutes. You're upset. You know, you
want to get your coffee and you want to go,
and you don't want the lady in front of you,
who didn't order online to order and order a box
of donuts you want to get. You know she's gonna
order a hand pick her twelve donuts and it takes
your twenty minutes to get through the drive through.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
We all want things faster. Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
You know, Zach's had Zax had some time here, and
he's got his offense, and then Joe gets hurt, so
he gets Joe Flacco after three weeks of uh legitimately
horrible offense, and and then they get Joe Flacco going,
and he's making this thing whole thing work. God love
Joe Flacco. He's even running the ball on occasion big situations.

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But the defense, they have to play better. They just
have to play better, and there's ways to do it. Uh,
coach to the ability of the players. You got and
call and call things at work. I don't think I
saw what's they They brought a corner one time.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
They brought Cam Taylor Bred nearly got to him. Yeah,
it's speaking of coffee. I do have my coffee. I've
got my computer, all I need is you. I'm with
Bruce out there.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Anybody out there not sure checks lead drinking coffee twenty
four to seven.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Just listen to the show.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Hey you are We are live at the Beachmont Wings
and Rings five o nine Ohio Pike, and you're listening
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And we're breaking down the bengals thirty nine to thirty
eight loss to the New York Jets today and man, it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Hurts, Bruce, it really hurts.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Well, let's go over the and highlight the drive of
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at the ten twenty one mark of the fourth quarter,
Chase Brown with a one yard run. It completed the
seventh place seventy three yard drive that gave the Bengals
what seemed like at the time, an insurmountable thirty eight
to twenty four lead.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
But no the uh.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
The New York Jets scored twenty three points in the
fourth quarter, outscoring the Bengals twenty three to seven on
their way to this one point thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I can almost save I can almost hear a lap
up there warming up.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
The bam bam bam.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
I can almost hear them getting ready to say it.
And then by the time we got to the truck,
they were By the time we got to the car,
they were behind.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Just incredible. Yes, and uh, hey, let's go out to
the phones. Do we have Craig in el Passa?

Speaker 20 (55:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Who is in Texas?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, is Craig Craig there?

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
How about Tim and Columbus?

Speaker 26 (55:14):
Yes, I was at the game and I had to
drive back to Columbus. I made it home safely to uh,
I had the time to cool down.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 26 (55:23):
So it all comes down to talent evaluation and Duke
Tobin and that front office has shown they have a
track record. They don't have the talent on defense.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Period. We can't.

Speaker 26 (55:37):
We can't sugarcoat that and say they have the talent.
They just not write positions. No, they don't have the talent.
A defensive line is atrociers, Jenkins, McKinley wants his name,
Shamar Stewart. They got to put dresses on all of them.
They can't touch the quarterback and until the Bengals front office,
Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Troy, until they change their cash

(56:01):
versus cap, they're going to continue to struggle. And my
concern is a fan, and my frustration is they are
pissing away a generational talent and Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase
key Higgins a plarific offense and they're pissing it away.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
And that's not purely aggravating me. Duke Tobin needs.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
To be humiliated publicly.

Speaker 26 (56:23):
And I said the people around me before I left
the stadium, if they see him out in public anywhere,
please let him know.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
For me, that's that's enough there. From Tim and Columbus.
You have to give Duke Tobin credit for getting the
trade with the Cleveland Browns to bring in Joe Flacco.
Can we give him a little bit of props for
that because they could have brought in any number of people,

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but they centered on the right guy and the and
the Cleveland Browns. They were able to pull off that trade.
So give him a little bit of credit there. But
this defense, they need better players. It's simple as that.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
There's always so much there's always so much money to
go around. Their salary caps, and we're we're very close
to it, if not at it. You know, Uh, Zach
Taylor made a choice. He's he's invested in Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase and t Higgins and and uh and
all of his fan and and Chase uh in the
backfield and and uh. And then they had the hardest

(57:22):
guy to get under under signed was was Hendrickson. And Uh,
they thought they'd be all right, But I mean, I'm
not sure what I was watching during preseason. I thought
I saw the same same kind of stuff. You know,
their offense would would move the ball and then they
turn it over and due to defense, and uh, they
got run gaping runs up the middle and great passes
over the top. And you know, I'm just nothing changed

(57:45):
from the from the time where they they were practicing
with these guys that weren't here anymore to the time
they're playing with the guys who are. So I it's
just harder as time goes by to see the sharing
the well. So both sides of the ball have really
good talent, and then coaches come in and somehow not

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being able to get the most out of their players.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
The New York Jets rolled up five hundred and two
offensive yards to the Bengals three ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
They had real balance here.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
The Jets did two forty eight passing to the Bengals
two to seventeen and two hundred and fifty four rushing
yards to the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
One eighty one.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
So the Bengals awesome running the ball and the Jets
just torch them, trample them for two fifty four. And
the Jets ran twelve more plays in the Bengals seventy
to fifty eight. And they hogged the ball for thirty
three minutes and forty seconds to the Bengals twenty six
to twenty and four running plays of twenty five plus yards.

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Bruce Kezerski a fifty, a thirty five, a twenty seven,
and a twenty five.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
That's having a bad day. I mean, I don't care
whether you're playing at a early part of the ball
game or whether you're playing in the fourth quarter where
you can afford to let the team gain chunks yards.
But chunk plays like that they can't happen in the run.
They cannot happen in the run. I'd be willing to
bet that that earlier in that ballgame, the Jets had
just as many tackle for lost plays that the Bengals

(59:17):
made in their backfield as we had the whole rest
of the ball game. I mean we didn't we didn't
get in the backfield. We didn't tackle him for a loss.
We barely tackled him.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You're right, Uh want to give some props here to
some ry. Oh my goodness, he's got to get more
involved in the in the offense. He's a warrior, just
a tremendous and he was one of the few that
talked to Lap afterwards in the locker room and an
absolute prince.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And so there's a there's a lesson learned in that one.
They let him go because he wanted a little bit
more money in his new contract, and they realized just
how much they missed him in those third and situations
where he wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That's right, he mean with the Broncos and he was
with the Chiefs, and they finally bring you back in
and but he still has Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
He still has life left in those legs.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I think I was sad to see him go, and
I'm so happy that he's back. He's a tremendous addition
and great asset in the backfield. They need to do
the same thing on the other side of the ball.
And like I said, I don't know how much money
there is with the money's tied up on offense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Samaj A p RN nine rushes for ninety four yards
ten point four long gain of thirty two. He had
a touchdown run and Chase Brown twelve carries for seventy
three yards six point one a carry and twenty a
twenty two yard run, So twenty three carries a buck
eighty one. They rushed for an average of seven point

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nine yards per rush.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
That's a that's a fantastic day, I mean, and when
even even in the heyday when we were running the ball,
leading league and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Rushing, that was a hell of a day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
But you know, for the Bengals, the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Way they ran the ball in the first five or
six weeks, that is a miracle. Now all of a sudden,
we can't stop the run, we can't stop the pass,
and so but again, if you look back the preseason,
that's the way it was. If you look back in
the early part of the season, the offense was playing
so poorly after Joe got hurt that you didn't even
pay attention to how badly the defense was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Thirty seven carries for the Jets two hundred and fifty
four yards a buck, thirty three for Breese Hall, sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
For as Isaiah Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Justin Fields rushed eleven times for thirty one yards, but
all so calculated got some first downs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
And that Isaiah Williams one carry for twenty five yards,
so two fifty four just just brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Field's had his back to the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
He makes some big two in three yard runs if
you ask me, I mean he really did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
And uh, he made some big.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Throws, but sometimes they weren't even that difficult. I mean
they were so wide open. He made some scrabbling throws,
but they were so wide open at times it was
hard to miss them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
o nine Ohio Pike, and you are listening to the
Tri State Chevy Dealers Post Game Sports Talk presented by
RNL Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig and I'm alongside Bengals
legendary offensive lineman Bruce Kazerski. We're breaking down the Bengals
thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New York

(01:03:51):
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but yeah, disappointing, I said at the top of the show.
Easily one of the most disappointing, upsetting losses, embarrassing losses
in Bengals history, because the Jets were zero to seven
coming in here today and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
The Ring of Honor game honoring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
The Great Dave Lapham fifty years with this franchise as
a player and as a broadcaster, does a phenomenal job.
Is the color analyst on the Bengals Radio network with
the play by play voice of the Bengals Stan Hoarde
and Leaping Lamar Parish number twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Oh my goodness, the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Most explosive, exciting player in Bengals history. Finally getting honored.
He's in the Black College Football Hall of Fame. I
would love to see him bookend with Ken Riley in Canton.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
I believe he should be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
He's unbelievable that the athletic ability, and you think about
the timeframe he came into the league. He had never
played that position in his life. And Paul Brown makes
him a defensive back and he turns into one of
the top three or four maybe to ever play the game.
Just amazing. And then have thirteen non offensive returns, whether

(01:05:50):
the interception fumbel returns or kickoff punt returns for touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Amazing, Just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Go on YouTube, Google up leap In Lamar Parrish and
just just a phenomenal, phenomenal player and a great friend.
I still stay in touch with a lot of the
Bengals a lumps, including leap and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, they had a great reception, uh last night at
the stadium. It was nice to see all the people
turn out. A lot of the lot of the fans
were there, but a lot of the players were there
and and really enjoyed the conversation, the memories and listen
to those guys talk about it and uh talk about
their their favorite moments, their favorite plays, are their best games.
You know, Moore had a ninety yard punt return for

(01:06:30):
a touchdown and a fumble return for a touchdown. He
said that wasn't even close to my best game, you know,
in the same game. And you know he was that
he was that good and that well known and that
colorful with his outfits. He brought flash to the to
the organization and it was really great to hear him.
And then of course lap we love Leafy. He's one
of the brotherhood. When the offensive lineman, you know, Jim
McNally uh uh got inducted into the Profoble Hall of

(01:06:54):
Fame this year Canton, and so we all went up
there and it was great. All the all the the
brotherhood that we had played with an including laugh was
it was It was great to be the part of
that and and uh, man, he's just he's just one
of the one of the kind, one of a kind
at fifty years in the same the passion that he has,
you can hear it every time he calls a game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
The brilliance and the the brilliance of Paul Brown to
have the wherewithal to see a player in college and
then put him in a position in the in the
National Football League, like a Ken Riley a quarterback at
Florida A and M making him a corner and then

(01:07:34):
seeing leap and lamar Is a running back and putting
him at the other at the other corner.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You could have very easily seen him as the as
the best receiver of his time. That guy could runk
if he was, he could fly, he could he could
shake you out of your boots, and he can catch anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
His athletic ability was second to maybe none.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
And you told a story here off the air about
Paul Brown watching you long snack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I walked in as a rookie and not knowing anybody,
and I'm after practicing one another training camp day. It
was actually a minicamp day.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
And uh, I didn't know anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I didn't even know he knew who my name, and
I'm snapping for for punts, and uh, the ball was wobbly.
It was a little bit bigger than it was in college,
and so it was wobbly, and uh, he stood right
there watching me, watching, didn't say word. Then all study said,
Bruce with your left hand about half inch up the ball, okay, sir,
And nothing but spirals the rest of the way. I mean,

(01:08:33):
just those little things are It's amazing to see because
I don't know how many snaps he made his career,
you know what I'm saying. I don't think Paul Brown
was a long snapper one time in his career, but
he knew how to coach those little, little tiny techniques
like that, and that was a simple thing. You imagine
taking a guy like Lamar out of college and making
him the best defensive back they ever played for the
organization and not in the Hall of Fame yet. I

(01:08:55):
don't know something he did something with the with the conference,
with the league and and everybody, but the people to
vote on that, really they'd better take a look at themselves,
because Lamar should be in, Kenny Anderson should be in,
Max Montoya should be in.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I mean, the list goes on and on and on. Right, Yeah,
let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
And even Tommy Casanova told me that Paul Brown would
stand on the sidelines in absolute awe of lamar. Yeah,
but there was a conflict there with he wanted a
little bit more money.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
And now you know how money gets in the way
of a lot of a lot of decisions. And that's
not only in the Bengals organization, that's around the league.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
And uh yeah, the teams he burned, Washington and Buffalo,
that's who we played for the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Hey, you know what, Yes, when you're when you're pitcher
and you're committed to Cincinnati and you beat the Reds
with a shutout, that's where the Reds want to get
on their staff and receiver did that for years, right,
we get tom sheever for a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
How about in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
That first quarter fourth and one for the New York
Jets and instead of in inches, instead of letting justin
fields with a keeper going straight ahead. They pitched the
ball to Reese Hall and he got stopped by Barret Carter.
Bengals takeover on downs on the plus side of the field,

(01:10:26):
drive it into the end zone for a ten to
nothing lead.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
You know, there's that was their window of.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
This is an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
You're really when you study so much film, you say,
this is what they're gonna do in this situation. We
have a great opportunity to make a chunk play instead
of just getting the first down. This is what they saw.
They said, this is how the Bengals are going to
play this. It's felt we'll get the yard, but we
can really take a shot on a chunk play right
here if we run this pitch play and we did
something different. We made the play in the backfield was

(01:10:53):
a really nice play, and they didn't it the first time.
We went back and scored. And that's just the way
offensive coordinators and those think tanks put their plays together.
They got a they got there's a thousand plays or
five hundred plays on their call sheet and they're only
so time specific. I've got to have the right situation.
But boy, if I get it, I'm not gonna miss
the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Hey, we've got to take another break. When we come back,
we're gonna take your calls. We've got Mike and Steve
and Mark and Mike Glenn and Bill Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
We appreciate your patience. Please hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
We're live at the Beachmond Wings and Rings five o
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postgame sports Talk presented by RNL carriers Chick Ludwig alongside
Bengals legend Bruce Kazerski. Bengals lose today thirty nine to
thirty eight to the New York Jets. And now, Bruce,
you're in that locker room after the game, a one
point loss, man, what is going through your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
I'll tell you what. I've seen some bad ones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
The worst one I was ever part of, if you
asked me, was the one the name we lost to
San Francisco. Uh we had a uh, we had a lead,
and uh it was fourth down at our thirty yard line. Sam,
watch want I wanted to go for it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Run the clock. There was eight seconds left. He figured
we'd run sweep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
The clock of the be would be over in the
game of the over and they hit James Brooks in
the backfield for a loss. Had three seconds left on
the clock, and they threw one play to Jerry Rice
in the corner of the end zone. Then we lost
the game. And before before they even kicked the extra
point to take the lead, Sam ran across his sugar
Bill WASH's hand.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I remember that, Oh, I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
And when we went to the locker room after that game,
it was the Sam Sam said to the whole team,
he said, this was a this is the one one
of the worst losses have ever been a part of.
And we lost it because you guys lost your composure.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Thought.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I thought half the team was going to rip him apart.
And it was hard to get to get the control back.
The rest of that season, we lost games. I mean,
we invented a ways of losing game. We were three
and thirteen that year, and we had to lead in
most of them because we were saying the next year,
we showed up and said listen, we got a we
got an opportunity to be special, and we went to the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Super Bowl that year ago, they almost got rid of
Sam at almost year they almost said yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
But you bounced back and got to the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
We walked in this training camp, had a meetings the guys.
We found ways to lose. We can't do that again.
You know, we're very talented. We just need to take
care of our business. Had a top rated offense, we
had a better than average a defense at fifteen or
fourteen ranked defense.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
And that's good things happen. Do you stop people, you
win games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Let's go out to the phones and welcome in Mike
and sinci A. Mike, are you there? Y?

Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
I am, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 24 (01:14:05):
Well, every week we talk about atrocious tackling, and so
I've got something for the fan based uponder about tackling.
So if you're a if you're a great tackler in
college and they'll say you're a great tackler in space.
In college, you you know how to break down, how
to hit, rap and tackle somebody. Do you suddenly become
a terrible tackler in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:14:29):
So?

Speaker 24 (01:14:30):
I I mean, I disagree with you, chickholeheartedly. This This
is solely on the director of player of personnel for.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
The Bengals who's been into.

Speaker 24 (01:14:40):
The posision for twenty five years and has missed on
so many draft micks over the years. I just don't
think that they know how to evaluate talent directly. Now,
my seven year old grandson could the draft, so Bro
Jathon Higgins.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
That's that's that's a four one conclusion.

Speaker 24 (01:14:58):
But the trick is is to draft guys who are
flying under the radar screen that really know how to
play serious football.

Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
And that's when the Bengals come.

Speaker 24 (01:15:08):
They come up short every season on both sides of
the ball. But right now it's learningly obvious on the
defensive side of the ball because all we talk about
every week you guys do the same thing is what
terrible tacklers they are. So you tell me, Bruce, if
you're a great backler in college, do you suddenly become
a terrible tackler in the NFL? Is the game that

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much quicker that you can't adjust? Because I don't think
that you could take a guy that maybe came.

Speaker 10 (01:15:36):
As a rookie and doesn't really know where he's supposed
to be on the field.

Speaker 24 (01:15:39):
You can teach a guy how to be in space
where he's supposed to be, but I don't think you
could teach a guy to be a great tackler. You're
either a great tackler or you're not. And that's a
major problem that the Bengals have had for many years.
And I think it falls on Dukes covins ed and
his evaluate talent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I'm an out of all right, Yeah, let's uh, let
Bruce address this a couple of things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
You know, guys coming out of college, they're they're ambitious,
they want to make the NFL, and so they they
play their best football. And then sometimes they get to
the NFL and they realize, you know what, I'm here,
I don't have to I don't those those running backs
are big, you know, those linemen coming around a corner,
they're not They're not two hundred and eighty pounds anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
They're four.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
They're three hundred and forty pounds, and and they run
like a four or five or a four five, but
a five two forty you're gonna come around here and
they're gonna run me over. You know, maybe I just
want to arm tackle. I don't want to break mar
and before you know it, you're not what you were
a couple years older, a couple of years smarter. You
stick your head in there, you get concussions, and before
you know it, you're you're not willing to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Do that again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
And some some of it's that, some of it is
is tackling, some of it's some of it's the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
There's no doubt about it. Something it is the drafting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
But again, if you're gonna pay great players, the Bengals
have chosen to spend the money on the offensive side
of the ball. They barely got Hutchet hocking. Uh heck yeah,
they they barely got Trey under contract before the season started.
And so where where else are they going to find
enough money to pay the other guys because you know,

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they they don't make Let's just put it this way,
they don't have a history of spending money everywhere with
with uh, you know, without getting something for it, and
they're they're not willing to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I think yet, something something has to be done. I
I I don't thought for.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
A second that the uh that the ownership is taking
stock in not only Zach but also Duke Tobin and
and and all that because Zack's made some decisions with
coaches that haven't panned out, and he's allowed the coaching
staff to to put Like, as I said, last year,
they hired a linebacker coach that that wasn't as good

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as they hoped and so that puts the defense and
then it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Changes careers with players too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
He's teaching them different techniques, he's teaching them to look
their eyes differently, and before you know it, like Wilson
the middle linebacker, he's not playing. There's a guy that
was one of their standouts. You know, he's not playing.
He hasn't adjusted well to the new system. Maybe he's right.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Hey, do we have Steve in Somerset?

Speaker 27 (01:18:12):
Hey, guys, what's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
All right? Steve?

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Hey man?

Speaker 27 (01:18:18):
Keep thinking. So I went to the game today and
I'm a live pluck ININCNATI fan foury nine years all
morning rage in Cincinnati, Ohio. And I've been been through
this man with the nineties and been through a lot
of tough time with the Bengals, but today was just
felt like it was one of the lowest the lows.

(01:18:39):
He can't blame it on the offense. We played outstanding.
I thought our offense was great. That fourth quarter last
drive shit has ever happened. The game should have already
been put away. This defense is probably the worst defend
I have seen in my forty nine years. For the
last few seasons we have been at the bottom of
the pack. We did not run the right stems. I

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hear people talking about talent, talent, tallent. We may not
have the best ballent, but you have to run the
right schemes for these guys to be successful and to
be put in the position to make plays. We get
no pressure on the quarterback. We're never in the backfield
trying to, you know, stopping the run for losses. We're
giving up big plays on the outside all the time.

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And somebody's got to be held accountable for this. We
got too much talent. You know, there's a there's a
window that's gonna be closing very quickly that we could
be a Super Bowl champion and bring the first one
to the city of Cincinnati. But if we don't address
this and get people held accountable for their jobs, then
we're never going to be successful and bringing that first

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Super Bowl trophy to Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Steve I've said it one hundred times. The Bengals play
to the level of their competition. They play up for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they played down today to me
to New York Jets. They built a big lead, then
they got soft, and then they got burned at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
And I appreciate the call. Let's go to Mark and Dayton.

Speaker 10 (01:20:14):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I'm here, all right, Mark, what's on your mind?

Speaker 28 (01:20:18):
Chick?

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
Bruce, Great to talk to you.

Speaker 25 (01:20:21):
Hey, there's been a lot of good points made this
evening about you know, the problems with this, that and
the other. And granted, you know, they went out and
got Flaco to ensure that the offense stayed humming.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
And they had been without question.

Speaker 25 (01:20:35):
The defense is a broken record.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
Like the last guy said, last.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Year was abysmal.

Speaker 25 (01:20:40):
If it hadn't have been for them scoring thirty five
forty points a game and just outscoring everybody because the
defense they had to because the defense last year couldn't
stop anybody. And sometimes when you have guys on on
your defense, you know you hear about that, well, you
need to dumb down the play for these guys. And

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I've seen several comments since the game plus watching it. Uh,
Golden was walking around the sidelines with defensive calls on
like a three by five index card that was his
that was his play sheet.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Oh sometimes, and I'm well, sometimes keeping it simples good,
you know.

Speaker 25 (01:21:22):
Well only if And I just wonder if is there
a wonder lick test for for these players?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Uh?

Speaker 29 (01:21:29):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Uh uh, I just I just wonder.

Speaker 25 (01:21:32):
Because it's like they are out of position so many times,
and it's just like last week against Rogers. Rogers is
a great quarterback, but how many times were these guys
the field was just wide open in the secondary?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, yep, we see, Yeah, we saw it today, wide open.
And I love the tackle where the guy had the
pulling on his jersey in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Offenses have never been more complicated and more difficult to
line up properly too. But you can't let them run
on you like that. And that's the defensive line linebackers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
And we've reached the bottom of the hour break.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
We appreciate the calls, uh, And we've got Mike and
glennon Bill, please hang on, we're getting to you next.
We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five O
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(01:22:40):
Welcome back to the Tri State Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports
Talk presented by RNL Carriers. We are live at the
Beachmont Wings and Rings five O nine, Ohio Pike. He's
Bruce Kazerski, this is Chick Ludwig. We're breaking down the
bengals thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the New
York Jets like a wrecking ball. Mike Mills are awesome

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on site engineer and Liam Tomlinson. We appreciate all his
help producing back in our Kenwood studios. Bengals fall thirty
nine to thirty eight. Every Bengals fan is disappointed. Right now,
I want to go over some scores around the National
Football League. It just became final. The Denver Broncos at

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home forty four to twenty four winners over the Dallas Cowboys.
The Dolphins get back in the win column with a
thirty four to ten victory over the Falcons in Atlanta
today elsewhere, Yeah, just trying to refresh my screen here

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a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Ravens won.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
The Ravens wound up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Winning the New England Patriots all over the Cleveland Browns
in Foxborough thirty two to thirteen, Eagle chop down the
New York Giants thirty eight to twenty in Philly, the
Buffalo Bills all over the Carolina Panthers forty to nine,
and like Bruce mentioned there, the Baltimore Ravens back in
the win column with a thirty to sixteen home victory

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over the Chicago Bears, and the Houston Texans, much maligned,
get back in the win column twenty six to fifteen
at home over the San Francisco forty nine Ers, and
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are twenty three to three winners
over the Saints in New Orleans, and the Indianapolis Colts

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just keep on winning thirty eight to fourteen at Lucas
Oil Stadium in Indianapolis over the Tennessee Titans. And Monday
night's game will feature the Washington Commanders at the Kansas
City Chiefs. That's Tomorrow night and tonight's Sunday night game

(01:24:57):
Packers at the Steelers eight twenty kickof off tonight, Bruce,
so it's the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It's that simple, yeah, on any given Sunday, right, And
that was that you just don't expect on seventeen to
come in to Cincinnati, and especially when the offense played
today and and uh and walk out of here with
a win.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Hey, we've got uh, we've got Mike and Columbus Mike.
Are you there?

Speaker 27 (01:25:24):
I am.

Speaker 30 (01:25:24):
Hey, guys, I'm gonna be real quick as I can here.
I've got four quick things.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Number one.

Speaker 30 (01:25:30):
I know it was mentioned the Bengals look like they
may have softened up, and Fields was able to take
advantage of that. The NFL, the game moves fast. I
give tip my cap to Justin Fields. He took advantage
of his opportunities that were given to him today and
he got his team a win.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
So I don't want to be little anything.

Speaker 30 (01:25:50):
That he did because of the thief that we see
this every week in the NFL, and so uh, tip
of the cap to him.

Speaker 21 (01:25:57):
Uh.

Speaker 30 (01:25:58):
Number two, number six.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Won for the Jets. I didn't see it much.

Speaker 30 (01:26:02):
In the first quarter, stat a little bit of the
second quarter, and then often in the third and fourth
quarter they lined him up as.

Speaker 10 (01:26:08):
An eligible receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
It looked like he was.

Speaker 30 (01:26:10):
On the inside in the backfield. I was trying to
figure out what they they were trying to do and
accomplish with that. Bruce, maybe you can speak to this,
maybe you picked up on or not. I kept waiting
to see if maybe he would block it and sneak
out into into space for a pass. But I never
saw that. If you picked up on some of what

(01:26:30):
they were trying to do, or maybe you picked up
just I would love to hear. The third thing is
stalary cap. I'm not a fan of it in the
NFL because I don't think teams spin spend to the
threshold that they can to make teams more complimentary. I
think teams too many teams are weak on one side

(01:26:51):
of the ball or another, and it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Makes very average football.

Speaker 30 (01:26:54):
Maybe a handful of teams can play complimentary football on
both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
To have a salary cap, because with the money the
Jerry Jones has, you'll have twenty two All Pros playing
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
So let's get rid of that notion right away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
And every team has to spend at least what like
four fists of the salary cap.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
You have to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Money back for your injured players. They get paid two
I totally get it. I do totally get it.

Speaker 30 (01:27:23):
But the issue I have is that it looks like
the NFL doesn't have very many teams that can play
both sides of the ball. It looks very weak and
modern product in the NFL is average or weak. And
then you have a lot of teams at the top,
and thirty years in this league with a salary cap,
only fifteen franchises have won.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Super Bowl championships.

Speaker 30 (01:27:43):
Yo to Major League Baseball, nineteen of won championships. I
don't think it helps teams get to the top. I
think it holds them back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And the premier.

Speaker 30 (01:27:53):
Franchise in this league hasn't won super Bowl in thirty
years at the beginning to this salary cap, and that's
the Dallas Cowboys. It's hard and people don't understand it.
It's hard to get complimentary teams.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
And I don't.

Speaker 30 (01:28:07):
Begrudge players getting paid because they should. They should go
out and get as much as they can. But when
they get paid in the NFL, and like Baseball, they
don't have time to develop players because as soon.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
As they started to develop and they can't pay guys, they're.

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
Often go somewhere else.

Speaker 10 (01:28:21):
And it's hard to get your team to play.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Equal with that. Mike, appreciate your call very much.

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
It started.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
It started with one of these teams paying and you know,
the quarterback a ridiculous amount of money. Then everybody that
was better than him. The next year contract came up.
They had to get more money, and they had to
get more and then receiving and running backs they had
to get more money. Before you know it, you can't
protect a fifty million dollar quarterback with you know, a
one million dollar offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
So they got to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Well, thank Heaven, there's a rookie salary cap.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Yeah, because everyone was screaming when a guy that hasn't
thrown one pass in the league is making, you know,
a huge, huge contract, like a Matt Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Uh, he might have been the last one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
And that's where and that's where the salary cap hurts
a little. You have to pay Joe, you have to
pay uh Chase, you had to pay Higgins, you got
to pay the you know, the defensive ends you got.
You got to pay all these special players. But you
also have to keep people on the field that can block.
So what you do is you draft first round, second round,
picks that could play your your offensive line positions, and

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then they have a four year rookie contract. They've got
a salary cap on that, so that keeps their overall
salaries down, so they spend money on everybody else. The
problem is they're not they're not proven in this league.
So a first round pick coming out of Ohio State
or Michigan or or one of these you know, big,
big powerhouse Alabama, he's not proven in the NFL until
he can prove himself after three or four years of

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being successful. You know, then you have yourself a probe.
But by that time they want twenty million dollars, so
you're cut between the rock and a hard place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Hey do we have Glenn in Cincinnati?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Yes, God, Glenn.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Hey, here's the thing.

Speaker 31 (01:30:05):
I'm not sure there's I'm gonna be able to say
anything that you haven't already heard or you don't you
don't even want to hear.

Speaker 10 (01:30:11):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 31 (01:30:12):
But I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
Right before the six fifty.

Speaker 31 (01:30:14):
Break, you guys are talking about how you know, these
are the elite players in the league, and they're you know,
they're it's demanding that kind of money to be an
elite player on the field and to play with the Bengals.
But what I see here year after year, week after week,
month after month, it just seems like it's Groundhog Day
for you guys. I mean everyone talks about and had

(01:30:35):
excuses for why they need to do.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
This, why they need to do that, but it's the
same thing.

Speaker 31 (01:30:39):
They wake up every morning thinking, Okay, we're going to
be a different team, but it's never gonna It's not
gonna happen. So right before the six fifty break, you
guys are talking about how it's still a show, how
win or lose. You still support the team, still support
the franchise. But at the end of the day, man,
you've got to put a product on the field.

Speaker 17 (01:30:55):
And I can't imagine after every year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
This is what makes for good.

Speaker 10 (01:30:58):
Talk radio, I guess, is that it's the same thing
over and over.

Speaker 31 (01:31:03):
And you hear the same thing over and over, but
nothing ever changes, the same thing where it seems to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
You can say the same thing about every Reds team
since nineteen ninety. I mean, it's it's pro sports and
the way it is, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
The NFL, everybody who's excited after the Pittsburgh Steelers game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Yeah, just eleven days ago, and now look at them.
It's it's a big bummer team.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
And again, a large part of the team played well.
They just had the defense didn't. They couldn't make a
key stop, let alone, you know, multiple key stops, and
you know, we we do talk a lot about defense.
But again, we've had Joe Burrow now for five years.
We've had great offensive players for a long time. And

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that's why I said maybe some of the focus and
in the end needs to needs to be on maybe
a restructuring of whoever's looking at these players.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
To pick them. I don't know that I know the
coaches have never had more input.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
It's not just Duke Tobin. The coaches have never had
more input into the players. But Zach is obviously the
trump card on the coaching staff and who he wants,
and he's opted to get the offensive players and leave
the defense a little short handed.

Speaker 31 (01:32:13):
And we appreciate anything wrong with having demand more from
the players. They're making millions of dollars. Yes they're elite,
but at some point you have to get to put
up with what you're getting paid.

Speaker 6 (01:32:23):
Out there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Absolutely, pride is pride is all you've got, and uh,
the way the way it goes in this league is
if you if you even if you're getting paid, if
you're not getting paid, you don't play, you don't you
don't make the team. So you have a bad year,
the next year you don't, you don't make the team.
And that's what's supposed to happen. Now you've got to
go out and find a replacement for the guy. You know,

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we brought in uh what's his name from the defensive
nose tackle from the Patriots turned out, yeah, from the
Eagles two years ago. He got to be a bust
and they brought Slaton in and Slayton's playing well, but
what's the help around him? I think those big runs
all came off middle to right side today and I'm
not sure who's playing over there, but somebody's not getting
the job. And I flat out saw one of those

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rookie linebackers step up in the hole like you're supposed
to him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Plat out miss that was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
That was Barrett Carter, who had a great run earlier
in the game, But that and that was a monster run, monster.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Run at a big time, at a very important time
in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Yes, appreciate the call. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
We have Uh yeah, let's go ahead and take a break.
We'll come back and check out your phone calls. Hey,
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Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Bengals fall thirty nine to thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
This is Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
We're live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings, five O nine,
Ohio Pike and I want to take this time out
to pay tribute to a fallen New York Jets legend.
It showed up on the TV screen today. I was
an absolute shock at the news that broke that Nick Mangold,

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an eleven year member of the New York Jets, a
Hall of Fame candidate this year died yesterday at the age.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Of forty one from kidney disease.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Nick Mangold Kettering Altar High School, the Ohio State University,
first round draft pick of the Jets eleven years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
He is a Jets legend.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
And it's just heartbreaking to hear that a great man,
great husband, father, and Nick Mangold passed away at the
age of four.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Won Bruce.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
I hadn't heard that, that's the first time. And he
was he was a generational type player for them, Sure was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
He definitely was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
And at the same time, here uh the New York
Jets center today. Personal friend of the Chicksters from Miamisburg
High School, Josh Myers, great player at Miamisburg High School,
then at the Ohio State University and in four years
as a second round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers,

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they made the playoffs in three out of four years.
They didn't resign him, threw him under the bus, and
he signed a one year prove it deal this year
with the New York Jets and they went for five
hundred offensive yards today.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
What right middle two forty five?

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
That center Josh Myers was doing something right as the
Jets trample the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
For two hundred and fifty four rushing yards today.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
So a tip my cap to my friend Josh Myers
Center for the New York Football Chats.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
You know this, this is upsetting. My son showed me
a little stat earlier. You bring that up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Check, yes, talk about how many when the Bengals have
scored thirty eight points? What the what their win totals
and losses?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
The totals in fifty six previous seasons, fifty four and four.
When they score thirty eight or more points in the
last two seasons, one in three.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Amazing, just incredible, incredible, that's a lot of points. I
remember I was doing the Bengals radio after I had
retired right away, and Boomer had just come back from
the Jets, and uh so he was reinstated as a
quarterback as Blake got hurt or somebody got hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
And he goes on a tear, winning win and win
and win and winning, and we went some points and he.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Was throwing them all up and down the field. We
scored forty one points and lost.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Philadelphia, Philadelphia. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
And I and I met him walking back into the
locker room after the game. And he's mattered a hornet
and he throws it was a artists. I've ever seen
him throw a ball let alone a helmet. He threw
it from from one side of the locker room to
the other, right, dead solid in his locker, just beside himself.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
That he scored forty one points and losing the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
He I was in the locker room, he came in,
he threw his helmet, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Yeah, at the defense he said, you guys don't deserve
your paychecks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
That's what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Yeah, And at that point in his career, he can
he can get away with that.

Speaker 11 (01:37:23):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yes, he was here from eight or nine, and then
he went to New York and you know, it worked
out great for a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
And then he came back here and he played for Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Yeah, and he called Arizona Cincinnati and the New York
Jets the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
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Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
All I know is they could have done a better job.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
I would say they could have done a better job.
They would look back at this film and say we
should have done a better job. And the question is
why didn't they do a better job?

Speaker 16 (01:38:22):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Is it coaching? Is it calls from the sidelines? Is
the secondary coaching? Is it the decordator coaching? What is
not putting them in position to make those plays? And
when they have an opportunity to tackle, why are they
missing those tackles?

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Two and forty eight passing yards for the Jets, two
hundred and fifty four rushing yards for the Jets. It
was a tough day all around for the defense and
the secondary got burned.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Yeah, it's that simple.

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We have Bill in Cincinnati Bill, Are you there?

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 29 (01:39:10):
I have a few comments and say if Bruce to
comment on them, because I look at the game and
I always wonder are the coaching adjustments during the game
when we're being out coached and when we look at conditioning.
I mean they they the deefense dominated the first quarter
and then to get three touchdowns for them, And is
there a condition issue with the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Beggess, No, it's not. These are some of the most
well conditioned athletes in the world.

Speaker 7 (01:39:37):
Okay, and what was your next question?

Speaker 29 (01:39:41):
Well, and T Higgins had one catch, two targets, thirty
three passes and Chase had thirteen targets. So I know
in the pass it seems like they would use T.
Higgins if Chase is double team, they would come in
and that Chase was being doumble team. But in a
city would going to T Higgins? And you know more
during the game, especially uh, you know, and in that
in the fourth quarter, is there uh when when in

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a tasty being double team that he was trying to I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
Would think T would say the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
I would say, Hey, you know, he's got a lot
of opportunities and and I'm and I'm not I can
I could beat that guy, you know, I need to
get more opportunities. But as I said earlier in one
of the phone callers talked about the running and passing plays,
some of those ones that that Jamar catches because.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
He's such a great runner with the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Afterwards, they throw him the ball quickly and it's more
just a long handoff as it turns into a it's
a passing play that turns into a running play for
five or six yards, and then that's something that that
tea doesn't do as well, and so t is more
of a down the field, crossing the field routes and
and Jamar can do that because he's such an athletic
running running after the catch.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Well, when there was a time when he had a
key drop in the UH late in this game, Jamar
and but also.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
Late in the game, Fan disappeared. You know, they were
trolling to throw the ball to Yoshi Vash and I
can visually see four plays in the last several weeks
that he's dropped the ball. And I don't know that
he's the most reliable in that situation, but I certainly
think fant Or or Hudson would have been an option.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Three targets, no catches for Andre josebash today.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Again, you could look at this film, and I can
tell you from a coach's perspective, you look at this
and say, man if I had just done that, and
that happens in about ten plays a game, especially when
you're when you lose a close game like this, it
might have only been a handful of plays. When you
when you're getting blown out, you can second guess every
play you make, and do you learn over time? You

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can't dwell on what happened. I made the call. It
wasn't executed properly, and that's what the players should think.
The call was made and all we had to do
was execute it better. And in the plays there, whether
the ball's high or the ball is low, by the
by the by the quarterback, whether the receiver dropped it,
whether the running back didn't hit the hole properly. It
could be offensive line missed the block for the first
time all day, and all sudden he becomes a spotlight.

Speaker 30 (01:42:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
You have to see what happened on film to to
figure out what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
All I can think about when you mentioned that is
the great quote from John McKay. The first Tampa Bay
head coach. Coach, how do you feel about your team's execution?

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We are live at the Beachmont Wings and Rings five
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(01:44:10):
and Bruce, you gotta be happy for the University of
Cincinnati Bearcats ranked seventeenth now after that big win over
Baylor on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
It's great. It's great to see the enthusiasm in town.
They're playing great. You know, there's other teams around playing
great as well. You know, I had two kids of
mine that went to Louisville. They're playing great football. UC
is playing great, Ohio State's playing great. The Midwest right
here where we live, the part of the country that
we live is just fantastic. It's got great football, great sports,
and it's fun to.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Be part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
You see up to seventeenth now with the seven and
one record, seven consecutive victories, and now they go against
Utah in the late game ten fifteen on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
This is the one right here, this is the one
we've been waiting for a long time. If they can
pull this one off and then they're for real, this
is this is again. They have had some great games
in town. Now they got to travel on the road,
put all those all the side all the side trimmings away,
and focus really wholeheartedly on the game plan. And sometimes
it's easier for a team to do that, and sometimes

(01:45:13):
it's not. We'll see what this team has made of.
I'm really excited for them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
It'll be Salt Lake City on Saturday night, ten fifteen, kickoff.
The number twenty four uts against the number seventeen UC Bearcats.
You mentioned Louisville up to sixteen and uh miolma mater,
the Ohio State University number one and breathing right down
their net.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
The Indiana Indiana Hoosier's boy. They playing great football man.
They took dynamic, that quarterback is dynamic. They took UC
later the woodshed they did they of course, you know
It's nice to get a team like UCL in your house.
They were hot coming in. They'd beat Penn State, and
they'd beat somebody else really really good out there on
the coast. But boy, you get it, bring them in
here into town and you'll whip them. That's that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Hey, we appreciate our producers back in the Kenwood studios.
We started out with Wiam Tomlinson and he has handed
the baton to our very own Danny Gleason.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Danny Gleason in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Danny is uh spearheading us all the way down this
half hour, and we appreciate that Liam Tomlinson's support tonight.
And uh, hey, let's go out to the phones and
welcome in Brian. Who's who's driving?

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Brian? Are you there?

Speaker 28 (01:46:23):
I am thanks to Tay McCall's been a good right
to listening.

Speaker 20 (01:46:25):
To you guys.

Speaker 24 (01:46:27):
You know, just one to times, just going.

Speaker 10 (01:46:29):
To kind of like jump on you.

Speaker 28 (01:46:30):
Obviously the defense is just obviously horrific. Needs need a
lot of fixing.

Speaker 32 (01:46:34):
But I really want to call out two specific people
because I've heard a lot of, you know, a lot
of talk in the last couple of games on broadcasts
about how DJ Turner and dak Shill are getting better
and I got him wonder you know, they're going up
in practice against the arguably two of the best receivers
in the league and survey on the team, and I

(01:46:54):
just don't understand how they can't get better if they're
facing Chase and.

Speaker 28 (01:46:59):
Higgins in practice.

Speaker 27 (01:47:00):
Or is that the chasing Higgins.

Speaker 28 (01:47:02):
Are demoralizing him so bad that they can't get it
together in a game. Well, what I keep coming back
to is that they're living through game in and game out,
that Michigan knew what plays were coming and cheated under
our ball.

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
I'll turn it back to you guys, and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Just the inconsistency from week to week by our by
the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
I have been really impressed with Turner's play this this year.
I think he's much improved today that we just saw
the replay up on the video screen coming across one
of the networks. Uh, the touchdown that put them ahead
at the end of the game. He was in the
guy's face, but he wasn't looking at the ball right.
You know, I know what man coverages, but the guy

(01:47:44):
had he was on the back line. He had nowhere
to go turn around and find the ball, and he didn't,
and the guy who's reached out straight up over his
head and caught it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
It's it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
I think certainly, if he had seen a company, he
would have batted it away. It's it's just an unfortunate
It's an unfortunate thing that happened today. I think I
think he's I don't think he's as big a culprit
as it was on that one play. I think it's overblown.
I think a lot of the issues were the other
side of the coverage. The other's the second side he
and I don't want to put names into it because

(01:48:12):
I'm not sure of all who they were, but there's
too many mistackles by the left side of the defensive backfield,
no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Hey do we have Craig again or is Craig back
from El Paso?

Speaker 27 (01:48:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
I'm here with you all right, Craig. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:48:28):
Ada? I wanted to call in talk about a quote
that cobn said this offseason, But the last thing he
was going to do was drum the same defense out
there at the more extensive rates. Yeah, that's exactly what
has happened. I know Caler earlier talked about how he
does the little thing or the things well, like drafting

(01:48:48):
Burrow and Chase and guys at top of the draft
about how I need to play in the margins. Well,
when they play in the margins, they get guys like McKinley, Jackson,
and Burn who have both been healthy scratches almost every
game this year. I know Jackson healthy for like one
I think have been up. Other times have all been
healthy stratches. Yet I'm hearing you guys as these codes.

(01:49:11):
Sounds like you're tearing the water pretty hard for Duke
Cobin here. Yeah, we have quite a bit of it. Okay,
we have surface levels.

Speaker 25 (01:49:20):
Talent may not be there.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
Okay, that's an issue. Next year's coaching might be an issue.

Speaker 30 (01:49:25):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Above that is the personnel people. They're not doing their jobs.
It sounds like you guys are defending them pretty hard.
And I'm really lost what your guy's angle is, because
time after time, the only thing I think Duke Cobin
does well it makes trade. They've made like four in
my entire life. Some of just not your life. Feels
like you guys are standing up for some guy that

(01:49:47):
is not caring his weight.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Well, I'm not sure Duke Tobin was second a snap
in the NFL in a long period of time. You
judge talent by what you see on film, you scout
them live in person in college. You get the best
talent you can. And it's not just their ability that
you're your your talent ability that you're scouting. You're you're
you're as a scout, you're talenting scouting. But the same people,

(01:50:13):
your scouts across the league that are still ranking these
players as highly as you are.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
You're in a position to take these guys and they're
just not panning out. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
That has to do more with development. That has to
do with the people that they're walking into that are
showing them how to play these positions. A lot of
the best players, in fact, the ones I've been around,
learned how to play from watching great players. And that's
the hardest thing to get rolling. You're you're trying to
be a good defensive defensive lineman watching the defensive linemen

(01:50:44):
that are playing in front of you, and you're not
seeing great defensive play, you know what I'm saying. And
so it's the coach can he's not on the field
he teaches, He's teaching you the same thing he's teaching.
They all Pro defensive tackle. But they all pro is
getting the recognition he's making a tackle, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Not learning it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
And so now now you remove that that quality defensive
lineman in front of you, you're learning from what the
the the the omen work guy in front of you
is doing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
So you're not learning from any guy any better than
you are. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
So it's it comes down to who are you learning
the game from? And it it should be the development
of the coaching staff, and it's not. It's not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Hey, appreciate the call. We could talk about this like forever. Yes,
it's uh, it's personnel. It from the top down. Everything
has to be analyzed. All I know is they look
great against the Steelers and didn't look so great today.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I was I was a ninth round pick and I
had a great offensive line. Coach made me a great player.
I mean, bottom line is is the offensive line that
I played with had. Anthony Munius was the only first
round pick and our our left yard was a a
eighth round pick. I was a ninth round pick. Max
Montoya was a sixth round pick. Joe Walter was a
seventh round pick and turned out to be one of

(01:51:58):
the best offensive linemen and lines of team history for
a long period of time. And it's because of the
line coach coaching, Billy and Jim McNally. Yes, you know,
I think Scott Peters has developed this offensive line. Finally
he's gotten in their head and they figured out what
he wants. Now we gotta get the same thing that
happened on the defensive line, the linebackers and secondary and
then it's not happening yet. If it's gonna happen this year,

(01:52:18):
it better happens soon or heads are gonna roll.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
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it a phibiate a tibia or fibula injury, so it's
a leg injury.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
And gone for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Yes, Joe Flacco went out late in this game after
he got sacked with an apparent shoulder injury. He went
into the locker room evidently got a sleeve or some
kind of brace or whatever, and uh, and then Trey
Hendrickson re injured his hip.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
May I may be completely mistaken about Flacco, but I
thought he got knocked down against Pittsburgh and hurt his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
But it was his non throwing shoulder. They did the
same thing, put a sleeve on it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I think me and me, up to a week of
practice or ten days, it was feeling good enough to
not use that sleeve. But I think he got knocked
down again in the same shoulder was giving him a fit.
It didn't hurt him from throwing, but he couldn't go
out there without it, and so they went in the
locker and put it on. And he's too too much
of a veteran to let that effect the outcome. He
would have said, certainly, I can't throw, I can't deliver this.

(01:53:38):
He would have said, he's he's a proven player with
eighteen years of experience, and those kind of guys they
don't go down easy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Well, Dylan Fairchild went out briefly. He got kicked in
the shin at the two minute warning in the in
the first half, so he came back. So we'll see
as the week progresses. You know what kind of shape
they're in.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Physical yeah, I'd be one that we're gonna lose Hendrickson
for a few weeks, but those Hipstone heel quickly. You're
absolutely right, and they play Chicago next week and then
to buy that's important.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
That's a big week to get back at healthy again.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
No doubt.

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Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Hey do we have a Scott in Fort Thomas? Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:54:32):
Hi, guys, how you doing this evening?

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
But we're doing all right all things consider.

Speaker 30 (01:54:36):
Hey, just a comment one of your previous callers that
called in talking about the tackling and that some of
the college players that were good tacklers during college and
they moved on to the pros and it seems like
they forgot how to tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
And what I'm seeing, if you guys can comment, is.

Speaker 30 (01:54:56):
Instead of hitting guys low and wrapping them up and
getting them off the ground, I see a lot of
the defensive backs, especially they're hit them high, trying to
slow them down, uh, and then trying to strip the
ball with other players combining in on that and the
whole time the player with the ball, whether it's a
running back or receiver, is gaining yardage.

Speaker 17 (01:55:17):
Are you guys seeing that or not?

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
I think that may be one of the biggest illnesses
across the entire league is is these coaches preached turnover
so much. They want the ball punched out, and now
they've got everybody punching at the ball or grabbing at
the ball, and nobody's truly making the tackle. And if
you just put the guy on the ground, you might
be able to get the ball out later or on

(01:55:39):
the way down.

Speaker 21 (01:55:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
But they're just not focusing on tackling. They want to
make the big play, the turnover, get get their name
in the and the lights. But that's what the coaches
are teaching nowadays, is one guy, hold them up and
you pull it out or punch it out the big Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:55:54):
And then going back to when I was a kid
playing junior league football in high school, you know was
form tackling. We come in slow and you know, you
hit them low, wrap them up, get their feet off
the ground. And what's your feet are off the ground,
They can't go anywhere, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
I think that's a whole bunch to do with it,
is they're just many. They so much emphasis on turnovers
and I think it's really hurting a lot of the performances.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
He appreciate your call.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Yeah, yeah it mattered.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
I just I just again one of the breaks a
little of the network coverage, and uh, one of our
defensive backs goes on and is talking about how they
the defense didn't get done today.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Well they know it didn't have to explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Now they've got to figure out how to fix it
or else we're going to see the same thing next
week against the team that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
We should beat.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
All right, Scott, appreciate the call. And do we have
Kim and Anderson? Hello, Hi Kim, Hi Kim?

Speaker 6 (01:56:49):
All right, Bruce.

Speaker 20 (01:56:50):
I could not let half of my family be there
with you in person and not call in and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
How are you, Kim? They had they had, they ate, well.

Speaker 20 (01:57:00):
I mean, I'm glad. I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I think they were with great company.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Yeah, they had great company at that table they missed.

Speaker 18 (01:57:07):
I think they're coming back.

Speaker 20 (01:57:08):
So hey, I'm here. I've been listening, and I think
that we are being really hard on these Bengals because.

Speaker 9 (01:57:15):
It's been such a roller coaster of a season.

Speaker 20 (01:57:17):
You know, they came out of the out of the gates,
doing really good. Joe Burrows out, We're doing terrible. We
get Joe Flacco, we're back endings right, and then when
you lose today, it's it's extra heartbreaking. But you know,
the Jets are having the exact same conversations that we're
having about our defense. You know, they're having it about everything,
and you know what, we have got to get all

(01:57:39):
of our guys firing on all.

Speaker 18 (01:57:41):
Cylinders at the same time, and that's just not what's
happening right now, and get us.

Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
The Jets did it today and they.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Did their jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
That's completely the story. Again, if you look at the
first two wins that we had, they weren't really resounding wins.
They'd beat Cleveland because their rookie kicker missed a couple
of kicks, an extra point and the field goal. They
pulled him out. We gave him credit for winning because
we don't win early in the season. We got two
games under our belt, win and the win, call him
early in the season. Then we fill on that four

(01:58:08):
game streak. I understand a little like Joe Burrow concussion syndrome,
when the team had to realize they were going to
be without Joe for the bulk of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
And so now they got this guy comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Here out of nowhere with an eighteen year history, knowing
what he's going to see because he's seen it everywhere else.
He's rebuilt programs everywhere else. And now they're thriving again.
An offense, but the defense virtually all season long.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
Hasn't made place.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
And it's it's it's got to fix change, And I
don't know how you fix it the mid season. I
fear for what happens the rest of the way because
while they want to do well, they have to, they
have to go out there and perform better, and they're not.
It's got to look for and say, how do I
get better myself? Yeah, especially we've.

Speaker 9 (01:58:55):
Sat at enough ballfields together and watched enough sports, you
know together that if.

Speaker 20 (01:59:00):
Everybody's not doing their job, the job doesn't get done.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Yeah. But it's you know Chicksman's saying all day, all
day long. You know, the proof is in the out
is in the outcome. We're talking talk radio, great talker,
are losing teams make great talk radio?

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
They do this. This show has flown by.

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
We're here, We're here to hear you crying and boy,
we've heard it tonight. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Hey, Kim, thanks so much for for calling. We appreciate it. Yeah,
thank you.

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Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Now, hey's the Chicago Bears coming in. And as tough
as it is today, man, you gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
You can't lose both these teams back to back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I mean uh, And you're close to saying that this
Bears game coming up, it has to be a best win.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
How rare is it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
But both these both coaches head coaches, the Jets and
now the Bears. We're on the Lions staff last year.
A guy that played for me with at Holy Cross
High School is linebacker for the Lions, and he knows
both of these guys. They're great, fantastic guys, fantastic coaches,
and they're gonna turn those programs around. It can't happen
two weeks in a row to the Bengals. We got

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to beat them before they turn these programs around.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
And it says Chicago Bears next week and then the
following week is a bye week, So you want to
go into the bye week with some gosh, some positivity
in some momentum.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
How much momentum with three wins in a row, Huh, Well,
that's out of the gate. But we can't lose two
in a row, for sure. Sure, I think if Flacco
can get us through this burrowless era without two losses
in a row, he's done his job and we're very
grateful to have him.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
And just look at you at the standings here in
the AFC North. The Pittsburgh Steelers at four and two,
the Cincinnati Bengals now at three and five, the Ravens
are two and five, and the Browns are two and six. Mandy,
there's a lot of carnage there in the AFC North,
So there's still an opportunity, and.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
We still have so many games against those opponents, and
so that's that's where the whole juggernaut is gonna either
turn in the wins or snowballing the losses. And then
you know, if you're a Cincinnati fan, you you know,
you know where, you know where your heart is. It's
just got to happen on the field. Then, believe me,
they're gonna bring their best. The question is is their
best good enough? It's any given Sunday thing right now.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Two and zero in the Division, three and two in
the Conference for the Bengals, but once.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Again two and two at home. You have to win
home games.

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
Yeah. You got to own your you got to own
your property, your your real estates.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Yours is.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
And we've had teams come in here and and uh
one under Flacco, one without Flacco.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
But it's time and it all starts again next week
against the Chicago Bears and then uh wow, off to
a bye week and then you got to play the
Steelers the road. There won't be any revenge in that one,
oh man, can you imagine? And this is the part
of the schedule where they got to make Hay who

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is the chats.

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
And bare supposed to happen?

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it hasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
It has it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
It's it's unfortunate. But those are the cards that have
been played. Now you got to, you know, play the
ones that are still on the deck a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Paying on behalf of my partner Bruce Kazerski, and are
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