Eddie & Rocky -- 11/12/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Even as layoffs amount. Economists call it a jobless boom.
I never heard that before. Right. The stock market is
doing great right now. I mean it's not killing it,
but it's doing just fine. Yeah, corporate profits are as
good as they've been in a bid. And yes, Steady,
we're having layoffs. But we're having layoffs. And I'm real

(00:23):
curious as to what that's all about. And that's the
reason we have our guest with us right now. He
is Dwayne decent, he is a business as strategist, he
is a he's an author. He heads up the EMBc.
Should I can't even say it efficiency group, I should say,
because it ain't the efficiency group. But Dwayne, welcome to

(00:46):
the program.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I will glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
So, Dwayne, what do we owe this to? Is it AI?
Are these people coming in and or when I say
these people or these processes coming in and taking over
people's jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, I don't think it actually started as AI. I
think initially, I think back to twenty twenty two when
Elon Muss first purchased Twitter and he cut costs there
by sixty seventy percent, and people were sure Twitter was
going to collapse and have all sorts of outages and
really didn't happen, and everyone was shocked that they started

(01:28):
realizing that they might have a bloated infrastructure. And I
think in many cases that was kind of true. And
so hiring really slowed at that point for the next
couple of years and before AI really started to kick in.
And so now you have a second phenomenon that's coming along,
and AI is starting to impact some industries and segments

(01:50):
in particular, and it's going to only grow from here.
So I think we have probably the beginning of an
issue rather than an.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
End of one.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
You just said, there, Duane, it's only going to grow
from here, and that was going to be my question
is this is this kind of here to stay then?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And where do?

Speaker 5 (02:09):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Did job seekers do?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
What's where do you go?

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, I think there's kind of two schools of thought here.
One school of thought is that AI will come along,
take away a lot of jobs, will have high unemployment
and a difficult recovery on that. And there's another school
of thought that says, really AI is going to free
up a lot of resources and it's going to launch
a new set of creativity where you'll see a lot

(02:36):
of new companies start and what used to take a
lot of capital and a lot of people to start
a business now be able to do be handled by
relatively few people, and so you might have more businesses
that are able to launch and a boom of creativity
and new companies. So it's difficult to tell exactly where
we'll land, but I can give this advice to two

(02:59):
people out there that are worried about their jobs, is
that just stay very current on technology. Don't try to
fight that and avoid technology. And I think sometimes it
can be intimidating, and I think if you avoid it,
it's probably you're going to be a victim of it.
So make sure you embrace it, make sure you stand
out against employees, make sure you're adding value to the

(03:19):
companies that you're working with, and the chances are that
you'll do fine. I do think that there is certain
industries that are gonna get hit harder, like software development
right now. I have associates and colleagues in there that
say it's like a hunger game where they're fighting for
their jobs because they know AI is going to take
ten twenty percent of those jobs right and they don't

(03:41):
know who that's going to be, and they don't want
to be one of those, one of those numbers. So
it's going to be tough for certain business segments for
a while. But stay current on your skills, embrace the changes,
and don't try.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
To fight it.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Duwayne decent is our guest. And to follow that up, Dwayne,
it would it be how to coexist with this as
opposed to well, I mean fighting it is worthless, there's
no point in that, but learn how to best coexist
with it and what you can do to complement it.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It doesn't exactly. AI is designed to make your job easier,
and so use those tools so that on more basic
type of things, so that you're not spending your time
on trivial tasks and you can use your time on
creativity and launching value. So make I'M more your friend
and make it work for you rather than make it

(04:33):
work against you.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Right, Well, it's kind of I know this has been
debated for a long time as we've as technology continues
to grow and develop and get more advanced, and this
is clearly maybe this is a you know, threshold here
gone over the cliffs sort of thing that does this
Does this help the trades?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Do people look at this and say, well, I'm I
can't get a job in that industry. I really wanted to,
but there's always going to be a need for people
to fix my toilet and my roof and my roads
and get the goods that I order from China to
my front door. And does this, in the long term,
you know, help help kind of that those industries.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I think it does. If I was advising someone entering
to college, I would tell them to caution them about
trying to do some of these fields that are already
being impacted. And the worst thing is that you could
spend three or four years trying to get educated and
into an area that eventually is going to be I
won't say obsolete, but certainly diminished from where it is currently.

(05:43):
I think it's a great opportunity to look at some
of those trade skills that obviously AI can't impact. And
we are very short quality contractors and trades people. So
i'm I would applaud that. And when you talk about
one of the booms that AI is going to create,
it's gonna it's going to create a big energy demand.
And if you have trade skills that are that can

(06:04):
help with that and build on that demand.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You will be in value.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
You will be a valuable resource.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And well, we're talking to Dwayne Dees and Dwayne, let
me ask you. Isn't the whole object though, of AI
to ultimately replace human beings? I mean to figure out
what it is we do and copy that and then

(06:30):
learn how to do it better and grow one itself.
That's the whole purpose of it. Is that not true?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I think that might one day be true. I
think that's kind of a little bit still the science
fiction of it. It might be sure, But thirty forty
years from now, might it be doing that? I would
say yes. But I think what it's doing initially and
probably for the foreseeable future, it's going to take away
more of the remedial type of tasks. Like for programmers,

(06:58):
the high end programming and some of the more complex
strategy and structures aren't yet being done by AI, and
probably will remain to be done by humans. But if
you're talking about the basics of programming, it's going to
be done by AI. Probably it's already being done by
AI and will only increase that way in the future.
So I think it. I don't think it's going to

(07:18):
start with A and anytime soon is going to start
taking away high end jobs where people get that are
thinking and creating and adding value innovating. Those type of
jobs are going to be held by human beings for
a long time, and that's why it's important to try
to make yourself one of those individuals.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Duane, I know you alluded to it earlier, but the
industry of working in AI, if that makes sense, like,
is there is there an opportunity there? Uh, you know
to basically you know, I don't I don't know what
the world is that you know you mentioned software. Is

(07:57):
there even going to be even a job boom or
creation in that world? And I know that's meant not
to have people doing it, but people have to be
in there innovating.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
It, right.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, there's a lot of effort to build the infrastructure
of AI, to train AI and in fact, you saw
some crazy numbers being put out by companies like Facebook
offering kind of the head of when they stole someone
from to be the head of their AI unit, was
paid like one hundred million dollars essentially to come over.
So you hear some just crazy numbers if you have

(08:33):
this really specialized experience. But there's there's experience levels all
over that you can that they need for AI to
build the infrastructure to train. And then there's all the
tangent industries like I mentioned before about power that is
going to that AI needs in order to be successful.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
All right with that, Dwayne, we really appreciate you talking
to us. People want to find out more about you,
your group and what it is you do. Where can
they go.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's the efficacy group that e f f F i's
e f f I, c A c Y group dot
com and I also put out a book called Operationally
Sell where I talk about how AI is coming to
play and how companies that can save money using AI.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Dwayne, thanks so much, thank you, Thank you. You know
they're they're coming for us, bro. You know that as
well as I do. But looks like it might be
a little ways off.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, I still think there's more bad about AI than
there is good.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
And then it did.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Wellet another example of what I believe. It's it's ultimately
going to be a net negative of jobs. So here's
the thing we were.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Shoot. I want to say, it's certainly been in the
last ten years, and I think that's I'm stretching it
big time. The last five seven years. This has gone
from a novelty to when we were joking about, ah,
this is all gonna take over what we do, ha,
right to two or three years later is like going, oh, hell,

(10:06):
this does getting pretty good. So now it's like so good.
People are looking over their shoulders and it is then
that technology is taking jobs. Now it's kind of back to.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
The future too, you know, and you're like all that
stuff on there, You're like, Eh, that's cool to think about.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
That will never happen.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, And a lot of those things didn't happen from
back to the future too, But this is and.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
That was sett in like twenty seventeen, right exactly. Let's
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Are you seeing that at all infiltrating the well I
want to call it, I'm going to call it the
newsroom or the newspaper newsroom. Are you seeing that more
and more? Because I know it's out there. No.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
No, The only thing, like you know on sin sinny
dot com, like in our stories, like they'll do these
little these little summaries at the top of our story,
like kind of highlight. They call them highlights, and then
those are AI generated and it says on there, let's
let's there's a thing on every story. Or they do

(13:39):
it with my column too on sinny dot com. Not
they AI, but you just it pulls it from this
what you like. So it's not like it just does
a summary of it so you don't have to write it.
But it pulls it from whatever you've written. It's not
like you know it's written anything for you and then

(14:00):
you know it's something you've written and now it's just
using your words to summarize and put some bullet points
out there, you know, for readers to see, Oh, okay,
this is the highlights.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Of this well. The our next guest is a fella
I've known for a long time, and I believe you
have as well. He wrote in uh op ed for
the Inquire for Cincinnati dot Com the other day about
your Cincinnati Bengals and the headline even losing the even losing,

(14:30):
even the losing Bengals are better than losing the Bengals.
This is our our buddy, Randy, Randy Furman's brother Andy. Andy.
He's I think he was a little more famous before Randy.
But yeah, I read this yesterday. I since say dot com.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
He's a member, he's on the board of contributors to
the Inquir now and uh, he still brings the heat.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It invokes some emotions for me, and I'll look forward
to our discussion. Yeah, and and that's what a column
should do. And it makes a lot in a sense
what he's talking about here. And we will talk about
the You know, this always comes up though, when people
bitch about the Reds or the Bengals or pig at

(15:12):
sports team, Well they suck. We'd be better off without him,
the blah blah blah blah. Well you know, think if
wishers were fishes, be careful what you wish for.

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Man.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
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Right, beg on the Eddie and Rocky show, Rock out
today actually doing the He's doing the Miami game tonight. Right,
He's in Oxford. It's Toledo Rockets Toledo and in Miami,
and rock is on the scene, and I know it

(21:46):
loves that that'll be one of the few on the scene.
That's about that's about twenty minutes from his house. Yeah, yes,
maction baby, so I call it. We have our guests
now and been one to talk to this guy for ever.
He's an old friend and I love his opinions on
pretty much everything. And when Jason, you can discuss your

(22:07):
opinion about his opinion. But right now I want to
say hi to Argamed, Buddy, Andy Furman, fur Ball, what's going.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
How you guys doing doing great?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Buddy, glad to see you back in the inquiry.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Well, you know what, I got some heat from Burrow Love.
I mean I saw Burrole recently executive editation where you've been,
so he kind of put a little pressure on it.
But you know what you could. You can't write all
the time. You got to think of a subject manager
that really would stir the pot, you know what I mean, Well,

(22:45):
that's what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, that's what you did when you were a host
here and talking about stirring the pod.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, you know what, it's a lot easy to talk
that to put words on a computer screen, That's true,
that's difficult. I give a lot of credit for those
guys that do it. If you could do it two
three times a week, you know, more, more power to you.
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, the op Edge wrote the other day for Cincinnati
dot Com even the losing Bengals are better than losing
the Bengals, and uh, I think that speaks for itself.
But I pretty much agree with everything you say there
any because sports fans are if nothing else, reactionary. You know,
at the beginning of the year, it was you know,

(23:26):
Joe Burrow was Joe Montana, Joe Namath and uh Y
a tittle all rolled into one, and Zach Taylor was
Paul Brown meets Mike, you know, meets with the with
the Zimmer Brothers and Mike Tomlin. And now he is
a bomb and they want him run out of town.
And Joe Burrow is injury prone now and they don't

(23:51):
care if the Bengals are here or not. That's pretty
much the way it isn't it.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well it's funny because in my mind sports is nothing
more than a release. And also at the hey, so
these rabid people, these fans, these fanatics need to have
a release, and obviously the Cincineti Bengals provide that release
for them. So without the Bengals, what would they do?
But more than that, I got this kind of this
idea to write this on Sunday because I'm saying, what

(24:17):
am I gonna do? There's no Bengal games, and I said, wow,
what would it be like to live in a community
where there's no pro football? And I have done that
in the past, but you know, I don't think the
national football there was as big then as it is now.
It is the number one sport in America, follow up
by probably college football.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
No, I totally I loved your piece, Andy, and like
I said, glad you're backed righting on sinsini dot com.
And I completely agree with everything you said. Interestingly, when
I read it, it invoked this thought for me, and
it's not like you were saying this or just the
thought that I had, and it's you know, from covering
the stadium issue for all these years and seeing how

(24:56):
one sided that's been, I've always gotten the the message,
or you know, at least my message that I've seen
from the Bengals, and that approach has been just be
happy you have the NFL. We brought that to you
and you OUs and that's been again my general takeaway
from that. And so I think part of when I

(25:17):
was reading your piece was I'm thinking, like, yeah, like
that's the attitude of the Bengals, like, you know, just
be happy you have the NFL. Here everyone will give
you a little pat on the head and run along.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Again.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
You weren't saying that, but that was that was one
of the thoughts that I had in reading your piece.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, I don't know. I sort of disagree with
that because I think that there's nothing more Mike Brown
would like to have before toolstedn't done for him is
to have a Super Bowl ring. I really believe that
I'd love to see him have it. You know, here's
a guy, I'll say, the kind of guy Mike Brown is.
He went to Dartmouth that he played football there. Yeah,
and he was not in the Dartmouth Football Hall of Fame.
So years ago I wrote a letter to Dartmouth saying

(25:56):
that he should be putting the football Hall of Fame.
He immediately got in touch with me and said, no, no, no, no,
I don't want any of that. He didn't want that.
You know, he's a background kind of guy. He really is.
And people think the fact that he doesn't come public
and speak to the media or talk to him is
because he's hiding. He's not. He's that kind of a guy.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
He really is, right, or do you want to on
the other side of the coin, do you want a
Jerry Jones? Is that what you're looking for?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
World? Right?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
That's know what I'm saying. Be careful what you wish for. Fan.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'm with you on thousand percent. Look, I think the
Bengals want to win. I think they've had a streak
of bad luck, big time bad luck. And I'll tell
you what, here's one area which I think no one
has really touched on because they're pointing fingers that Joe
Burrow and his injury. Look, he wasn't injured last year
and they still lost, okay, and he was the best
quarterback and eons with the stats that he had. Okay,

(26:47):
so they didn't win the thing last year and he
played and he was healthy. Here's the problem I see.
And maybe I'm wrong because the next snap I take
in the National Football League told be my first I
never played for football. But the point is that I
think it all comes from this top, from the top,
and the top is a Mike Brown. The top is coach.
And they've never had a physical coach, a mental coach,
a coach that could be respected. Besides Forrest Gregg, every

(27:10):
coach that they've had has been learning on the job.
In the NFL with the Fangals, Zach Taylor was not
even a coordinator. He was a quarterbacks coach, you know,
and you go coach, coach, coach down the line, you know,
the only one maybe Marvin Lewis, who was a defensive
coordinator on the Super Bowl team with Baltimore. Other than that,
I think players need to look at a guy and

(27:31):
respect them, say he's been there, done that, and they
never had a coach who's been there and done that.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Another thing I really I liked in your column, Andy,
was you referenced Saint Louis, and that's a town that's
been jilted.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Twice Mike A Goodness.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, and that's a similar I've always I used to
work in Missouri, and I've always felt like I was
in a little bit of a bigger, little more cosmopolitan
Cincinnati when i'd go to Saint Louis. So, you know,
Catholic Midwestern town that they definitely love baseball there.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
We say we love baseball here.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I thought that was an interesting take because you know,
this is what the smallest outside of Green Bay, this
is the smallest market in the NFL. So I thought
your reference to that was was interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, and it's funny how certain cities can support certain teams.
You know, I don't think Cincinnati could support an NBA team,
especially now. I think we're saturated with pro teams and
I don't think there's that many sponsors out there to
come forth with the checkbook the sponsors amount. Obviously, there's
no real good place to play. There's no arena really,
so I don't think they could support that or the NHL. Obviously,

(28:45):
Saint Louis cannot support pro football for whatever reason. I
don't know why, but they can't.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, but they have the NHL there, which is yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
They do at Pittsforsh's another city that I don't think
is support the NBA. You know, they had the Pittsburgh
condoors way back when in the ABA. But I don't
think they could support basketball. And certain people could support
certain cities could support certain teams. That's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, guys, let's face it that now the NFL has
become the predominant franchise for any city to have. If
you're going to have one sport, you want to have
the NFL. And Jason kind of made a passing reference
to it there, and we're talking to Andy Furman with
everybody's always been talking up until recently, well, society's first

(29:31):
and foremost a baseball town. Well, I would argue that
that is not so true anymore. Yeah, I think that
I could agree.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I think Cincinnati's a town that's the front run of
town that whatever team wins, that's the town it is.
I mean, this thing became a Reds town. They really did,
because the RESU made the playoffs. At the beginning of
the football season, I see July August, it was football crazy,
not an a football town anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's an interesting you know.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
And I wrote a call on that when you know,
the Reds were practically giving away tickets there that last
week of the season, that that almost called them Steelers
the Pirates series. And you had Paul Skins and the
Hunter Green facing off with each other and they are
given eight are they you know, eight dollars tickets and
basically giving away cheap concessions and they still couldn't come

(30:21):
anywhere near a capacity crowd, I mean thirty thousand they
were celebrating that. I think that you make a great
point there on that this is a front runner town.
I want to ask you this, Andy, from the moment
you came to town here, was it always like that? And
you what you started doing sports talk late in mid nineties.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Late late eighties, late eighties, eighty eighty, but you know,
I would tell you what the difference is then and now.
We had personalities as coaches and people loved it and
they were always in the news. Yeah, Bob Huggins, Pete Gillen,
you know there was a rivalry there, not even on
the off the court. Yeah, generated generated buzz right, Yeah,

(31:04):
Pete Rose, May he rest in peace. He was using
manager lou Panella picking up a base and tossing it
into the right field. You don't have personalities anymore as coaches.
I'm trying to think of the last personality as a
coach in this town. And Sam Wise, he's another one personality.
Sunday morning, he walked the streets and feed the homeless,
these guys who are just personalities. He wanted to know them,

(31:26):
know everything about them, and you know they were close
to you. They really were. Right now, it's like a
button up coach. You know, he coaches the game and
he goes away. And that's the closest thing is maybe
Zach Taylor would give away footballs to various pubs if
they're a win. And he's not doing that anymore because
they don't.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wind, right, But I'd love that take though. Andy talking
about Bigger than life coaches, your panelas and stuff like that.
But Jos sure, and but you brought up Forrest Greg earlier.
I mean talk about a guy that I don't care

(32:02):
who you were, what you thought. I don't care if
you hated the Cincinnati Bengals, if you were the biggest
Steelers fan, Browns fan, or what have you. You had
to look at that guy and go, that guy knows
what he's talking about exactly.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I remember when Data Bible was the quarterback coach of
the Cincinnati Bengals and Boomer Size and couldn't stand them
because what could Data Bible teach? Boomer siacen. That's the
thing you have. The guy a coach is a teacher.
And if this guy doesn't have a track record as
what he has done, you know, a script so to speak,

(32:37):
how could Boomer Size and listen to Data Bible.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Zach Taylor came here to learn the job on the job.
That's what I'm thinking, learn the job on the job.
He's a good guy. I like that. Yes, good family man,
good father, good husband. But honestly he's learning, or he
has learned, hopefully the job while he's been there. This
team was not going on the third consecutive year. Maybe
nothing in the playoffs that's heard of. And he's got

(33:01):
to be able to not sleep well at night after
the Giants fired their coach yesterday at two and eight.
I mean, come on, really.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
With that, Andrew, we will let you go, buddy. It
is our pleasure man. Thanks so much. Glad you're back,
Glad Burro, god on you keep writing.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
You very much.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
See Andy, our guest, Andy Furman. Yeah, what a good guy.
And I always loved his takes. Oh me too. When
he he pissed up. He pissed off a lot of people.
But that's the thing that's great. I mean, that's good.
Like you.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, makes you makes you laugh, sometimes, makes you cry,
pisses you off. Sometimes that's that's good.

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Speaker 1 (35:16):
Ms IN for rock Today, Rocky Back Tomorrow. So it
was fun talking to to Andy, and you know, I
agree with pretty much everything he said as far as
because I know you don't. I know what you're saying
as well, because that is exactly what owners want to
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Speaker 4 (35:50):
I'm glad you brought up because that was another thought
I had that on this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
And he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong, and that's what
I'm that's my point. But that is what the guys
pretty much. I mean, he just voiced it. Every one
of these owners thinks that maybe, okay, we'll pull our
franchise out of the city. Then what are you gonna do.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
When at the end of the day, it's actually incredibly
difficult to move a franchise in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, once that Browns thing screwed it up, for well,
the uh Baltimore Colt's going to Indy and then the
Brown's going to Baltimore. That made it real hard for
everybody else. I have to say, yes, very very difficult.
What do you got to bring that up?

Speaker 4 (36:34):
By the way, art Modell, Yeah, I saw where Bernie
kozars in the hospital. It was on Twitter today. Kozar
has been kind of screwed up for a little bit.
Well that just makes me even more mad at Art Modell.
But well, you know, at this bench, I love Bernie
Kosar was one of my maybe my favorite athlete growing up.
Had the poster on the wall and everything back.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
In the day. He gave hope the slow white cause
like myself. Uh but I say that, but look at
what happened with the Chargers leaving San Diego. Talk about
a fan base, but I think that the city pushed
back on them too much. It was like when the
Reds left Sarasota for spring training. The city pushed back
so much or on the red just said screw these

(37:15):
guys are going to give us everything we want. But
then they left. They abandoned that fan base in San Diego.
But again I think that was a San Diego city
screw up. And the whole Oakland going to Vegas thing, well, barely.
Everybody wants out of Oakland. So that's not bigcau. It's problem.

(37:36):
I've been through it, but never in it. I've been
to that stadium there. Yeah, I've heard it was awful.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Well, coming up, we're switching gears entirely and we're going
to be talking to our legal expert, Jeremy Rosenthal. Remember
last year that awful situation down in Texas with the
camp Camp Mystic that got flooded out and not a
giant loss of life, but one life is too much.
But yeah, yeah, but several kids died, some of the

(38:05):
counselors and whatnot. Well, now the lawsuits we started, so
we will be talking to Jeremy Rosenthal about that after
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Speaker 1 (43:56):
And this is I think I said earlier this was
this happened last year because it was such a horrible thing.
It seemed to me it was last year, but it
was in uh in early July. I believe it was
on the fourth that that awful flood he hit Camp
Mystic down in Texas, sad and that kind of came

(44:17):
out of nowhere. Obviously everybody was taken by surprise. Uh
several uh, several people that were swept away by it
and obviously perished, and some of the counselors were as well.
And now as when the stuff like this happens, the
lawsuits start, yep, and it's and they've started. Let's get

(44:39):
to our legal expert to discuss how this could play out.
He is our good friend, Jeremy Rosenthal. He's been on
both sides. He has won every case in the books.
This guy's undefeated, I believe in a court of law. Jeremy,
correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 20 (44:53):
Uh, promotions for continuance, Yes, undefeated.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Undefeated, unscored upon, that's right, Uh.

Speaker 20 (45:00):
Right, yes, yes, yes, I'm the you know, and I
listened all a mom my web page.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
We'll get your case continued for a week for you
to go and pay your lawyer, to.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Go, go get some money to pay your lawyer. So,
but the serious up here, Jeremy, Jeremy Rosenthal, you're You're
in the state of Texas. How do you suppose this
is likely going to play out? The lawsuits have started,
the families of some of the campers or starting lawsuits
a couple of the counselor's families as well. What do

(45:31):
you see happening here?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Well, you got to go where the facts are going
to take you on this.

Speaker 20 (45:37):
You got twenty seven victims, extremely tragic. Everybody's gonna deal
with their grief in a different way, right and some
people are going to be really conciliatory. Some people are
going to bury their head in the sand never want
to deal with it again. You know, it's interesting being

(45:58):
in Texas. I know folks in Kirk County, in Kerrville,
and I know local people here that that have connections,
and everybody's gonna deal with it differently. When when lawsuits
are filed, you've got to look at them and see
if they're any good. A lot of the allegations here
are saying things like, look, this camp down the road

(46:20):
managed to do fine, what was your problem?

Speaker 6 (46:23):
You know?

Speaker 20 (46:23):
And all these others. You know, there was a lot
more folks near in proximity of the rivers that got
it right. They had some cabins there that had previously
had to be evacuated. You had some policies that, if
you believe them, didn't make a lot of sense, and
there could have been some different decisions potentially. So you
just have to see if there's merit there, and if

(46:45):
there is, then then it gets addressed. And if you're
if you're bringing this lawsuit, you're doing it out of
anger and and and out of a hope that nothing
happens like this again.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
You know that that's kind of what your mind.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
As it is.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
He Jeremy.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
There's three three lawsuits or one of three lawsuits filed
this this week Monday, includes five campers, all of them
are either eight or nine years old, and two councilors
eighteen year old and nineteen year old.

Speaker 24 (47:17):
What what is the like?

Speaker 4 (47:20):
What's that the crux of a lawsuit that those families are?
You know, what are they what kind of damages are
they seeking? And what is it that what should have happened?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah? Was it that you're negligent?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Like, here's here's what Here's what others have businesses or
camps or houses along the river do or have done
to prepare for this.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Here's what you didn't do? Is that is that basically it?
Or you know, what's the le what's the legal part
of this?

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Right?

Speaker 20 (47:52):
Essentially, when you're when you're talking about negligence, you're talking
about several different factors.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
You're talking that you owe a duty to make something safe.

Speaker 20 (48:02):
You're talking about what is reasonable and if what you
did was really well below the standard of reasonable care,
and it's foreseeable, right, There's got to be an element
of foreseeability here. And that's the issue in this case,
is going to be foreseeability. How foreseeable is it that.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
This would happen?

Speaker 20 (48:25):
In other words, you can't really come back and say
this is an act of God. Therefore we're just not liable. Well,
you know, when you live in a if you have
a farm in Kansas, you know you're gonna get hit
by tornadoes, right, and you know to have your home
be equipped as best it can.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
And you got a basement, right, So a tornado came
and did this to us.

Speaker 20 (48:51):
As is, you know it can happen, and if it
happens despite all of your precautions, it's not your fault.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
It's your destiny.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Right.

Speaker 20 (48:59):
But but if you if you are if you if
you take all the necessary precautions, then then things ought
to be fine. And when it comes to children like that,
you know, you really again, nobody's gonna let you off
the hook for owing this duty and and and no

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amount of tears is going to wipe away that liability
if it's there.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Right, we're talking to Jeremy Rosenthal, And Jeremy, you just
brought up I think the key point in all this
talking about kids, and not just kids eight nine year
olds stuff like that, children who can't defend them for
themselves in the least. Really and uh, that would seem
to be a real coffin nail for for this case,

(49:45):
as far as can't miss it goes your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Very you can very well be right.

Speaker 20 (49:51):
Some of the policies essentially said that the parents or
excuse me, rather that the counselors didn't have the independent
authority to evacuate that they had to get a signal
from somebody else or or permission from somebody else and
so and in some instances, my understanding is that was
ignored and in some instances, right, you know, something is

(50:12):
clearly not right with the situation and clearly dangerous about
the situation, yet you're sitting there just sort of waiting
for it to uh you know, you're you're sitting there
as as all of your options are suddenly.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Very quickly going away.

Speaker 20 (50:27):
Also that one of the one of the lawsuits claims
that the guy, the the main camp guy who ultimately
died himself an hour two hours ahead of time, was
when when all the flood warnings came out, started securing
all the property, uh, all the equipment on the on
the premises and and not not you know, getting the

(50:48):
kids to higher ground. So that's certainly a difficult fact.
So you get a lot of stuff like that to
to to kind of go through, uh to to sort
of figure out. But yeah, you know the fact that
their kids, the fact that they can't fend for themselves. Look,
it's great ambiance to have a cabin right there at
the bend of a river. But but when you've had

(51:09):
to evacuate the thing before and you're in a place
that they call flood alley, you just gotta gotta be
smarter than that, you know.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
And it's it looks for the grace of God, go
I it's easy for.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
Me to Monday morning quarterback this thing, Uh and you know,
certainly in the face of tragedy, that's.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Not what we want to do.

Speaker 20 (51:29):
But again, we'll see if we'll see if the suit
has legs, and we'll see if any of the things
that they're saying have merit.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Right like flood alley, yes, but never a flood of
this nature where it just came so rapidly like right
like that?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Is that.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Is that there's ever been a flood like this before
in terms of how fast it came on that that's
part of your defense, all right, is the act of
is that does that fall in the act of God?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Well?

Speaker 20 (52:03):
And and that's a great point. So the act of
God really has it has dual importance here. First is
that if you're defending the case, that's that's how you're
defending it, right, you're saying that this is an act
of God. The second issue is that if there's insurance
money here that you're trying to get through this lawsuit,

(52:25):
you know, you I don't know whether or not the
insurance company can try to wiggle out by saying this
was an act of God, and we're not.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
We're not liable for for acts of God. So so
it you know that part of it is.

Speaker 20 (52:37):
That that part of it is is certainly an element
of this of this equation, you know, and again, uh,
part of it to think about. This is an interesting
fact which I don't know how much this is going
to really weigh into all this, But the director died also,
you know, one of the guys who they're blaming for
a lot of the negligence and a lot of the

(52:58):
things that were overlooked and done incorrectly. He passed, He died,
you know, So it's real hard to blame that guy
who who kind of gave his life. Uh maybe you know,
maybe maybe some of his fault caused his own you know,
his own death. But it's real hard to blame somebody
who you know, the guy who went down with the Titanic, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, well perfect example with the with that, Jeremy, we
will let you go, buddy. It is always our pleasure.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
All right, you got it.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Thank you, take care of buddy. Are a good friend
to Jeremy Rosenthal. I like, I like when you guys
have him. He's he's really good and he knows what
he's talking about for sure. But something that I uh
was thinking about there because he brought up that they're
somebody was would have said made the call to tell

(53:54):
these people to get the hell out of there? Well,
what would have had what happened? If I don't and
it's all come out in the wash, I reckon. But
if somebody did call one of the eighteen nineteen year
old girls that were there mining these kids and said, look,
you need to get out of there, and the girls

(54:14):
either freaked out and said no, We're going to stay put.
Now talk about muddy in the water that I'm not
saying that. I'm just saying there were so many probabilities
and possibilities here that God, this was going to go
on for a little bit man, And then you know,
like like some people who could provide answers potentially aren't
with us anymore. Going Yeah, with that, we check in

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Now this is this is big for the big guy
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(57:20):
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Speaker 4 (57:38):
I should he should be home midnight whatever, get some
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Boom, and then head out a get on Friday, four
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talking to our good friend, doctor Bruce Herman, and we
haven't had him on in a bit because he's been
on IR. We try to get him a couple of
weeks ago, and I get a text back from his

(58:05):
wife saying, Oh, Bruce is sorry that he can't be
on the show. He's in the hospital right now. I
think he sounds like he has bore important stuff to
worry about than me, and uh, nice for her to
get back with you. Well, it turns out that I've
been in contact with him. Case in point, we're going
to have him after the news. But he was passing

(58:27):
a kidney stone and from everything I've heard, that is
just awful. My wife had one of those last year,
middle of the night. She had to go to the er.
It was brutal. That's kind of I think that's kind
of what happened to him. Had kind of came out
of nowhere and get me to the hospital and they

(58:49):
didn't take him long to figure out exactly what she
thought her pennix burst, right, Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah,
I remember like, yeah, she was in that would seem
to come from the same area. I don't know experienced it,
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And Jay Sweet go to our guests now, and it's
good to have him back. He is our good friend.
Doctor Bruce Herman, board certified plastic surgeon. He hosts the
weekly show Nip Talk. He has been on this show
multiple times. Always love having doctor Bruce Herman. Doc, welcome back, Hey,
thanks for having me.

Speaker 12 (01:04:34):
First.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Rocky Today is Bigation. He is uh no, Actually he
does football games for ESPN. So he's doing a football Yeah,
he's doing a football game tonight. Oh all right, but
you can trust Jason over here. He's all right. I
got a lot of tough leading questions for you, Doc, Right, Nay,

(01:04:54):
he's a really good question. He's a reporter. So Die,
let's well let's talk. First off, we were talking a
little bit about it a little while ago. You've been
on I r uh would turn out to be kidney
stones is hourly because I where we're worried about it.
I told them to I was still at Jason. I
don't think I said it on the air, but you know,

(01:05:15):
you and I always text, and I text you to
be on and I hadn't heard from me or uh right,
and then I get a text back from your wife.
I don't know what was going on.

Speaker 29 (01:05:29):
Yeah, man, you just caught me. Uh yeah, at a
pretty bad time. So I had a kidney stone. Man,
welcome to middle age. I guess start things start falling apart.
And uh man, I don't know if you ever had
a kidney stone, but I highly do not recommend getting
one because it is very painful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
And uh yeah, I did miss work.

Speaker 29 (01:05:46):
I never miss work, and it kind of freaked out
my wife because like I would barely even go to
the doctor. And I woke up and I was like, Dan,
it's like I needed to go to the hospital like
right now. Of course like that, since my wife it's
like a panic because he's not used to hearing me
say stuff like that. But yeah, anyway, so too a
couple of weeks to get over that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
So yeah, I was a real bummer.

Speaker 29 (01:06:02):
But yeah, sorry I missed you guys a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
No, everything I've ever heard about it, doc is that
that's just a hor horrible experience. Yeah, yeah, I do
not recommend thumbs down. Well, let's uh, let's talk about
what we're here to talk about. Millennials almost matching a
gen Z shot for a shot with botox, what they're
calling baby botox, and it's not given a two year

(01:06:28):
old botox. Don't think that, Yeah, but young people doing essentially,
doc Herman, the is it? It's prevented. They're considering it preventative. Yeah,
prevented botox. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So yeah, I talk about this all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
And you know, you may be surprised.

Speaker 29 (01:06:46):
When I say what age I think people should start botox.
I bet it'll be a little earlier than you think.
I believe around thirty is a good time. And the
reason I used that age group is because in our
thirties is when the lines that we have on our
forehead and around our eyes and between our eyebrows start

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to get permanently etched in from just repetitive motion, repetitive
motion over the decades, and so if you start using
botox before those lines start setting in, you'll never get them.
And I always use my wife as an example. She
probably hates this, but you know, she did that exact thing.
She started using botox right about the time that I
got into plastic surgery. And now she's fifty years old,

(01:07:31):
and she doesn't have any wrinkles, and it looks, you know,
very natural.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
It's not like a fake look.

Speaker 29 (01:07:35):
It's just that the wrinkles that she would normally have
at this age, just from using those muscles for frowning
and raising your eyebrows and smiling around your eyes, have
never formed. And so, you know, I think getting that
twenty is a little bit aggressive, honestly. I mean, it
would stop the passive lines. But I think people look
so young at twenty anyway, I'm not sure they're gaining

(01:07:58):
a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
But yeah, ask me.

Speaker 29 (01:08:00):
I mean, I think thirty is a reasonable age or
even a little bit later.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
Uh.

Speaker 29 (01:08:05):
And I've always said this, I do honestly believe, and
I and I don't make hardly any money from doing botox,
but I do honestly believe that botox is one of
the lowest hanging fruits that you can do if you
want to look young into your middle years.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
We're talking to doctor Bruce Herman and the doc to
use your well, you use your poor wife as an
example again, but what you're sorry you were saying, she's
you know, she's fifty, but you know it doesn't have
the wrinkles and stuff and it looks natural. Is that
the reason why so many of the Hollywood people we

(01:08:41):
see they wait until they are fifty and get botox
or plastic surgery, and so it's so noticeable as opposed
to just like never really taking over the course of time.

Speaker 29 (01:08:55):
Yeah, it really when you when you talk about people
looking unnaturally, it does kind of depend on what treatment
you're talking about. I mean, you can definitely look unnatural
botox if it's overdone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
And you have like zero expression, and so.

Speaker 29 (01:09:08):
Really good boatoks will eliminate the wrinkles but still leave
you normal facial expressions, and there's definitely an artistry to it,
which means, you know, if you're a consumer out there
wanting to get botox, you got to find somebody that's
good and just like finding a good hairstylist.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Sometimes that can be a challenge.

Speaker 29 (01:09:26):
But you know, a lot of the Hollywood celebrities look overdone,
mostly due to fillers. I mean, there's just such a
fine line with fillers between looking good and looking natural
and oops, now I look like an alien like Madonna
did back a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Uh so, you know, I mean, I'm a I'm a
poor live hope. She never listened to show. She does
use a few fillers, but of course, you know, I'm
the one doing them.

Speaker 29 (01:09:49):
And I guarantee you no one would think that she'd
ever had fillers, Like, no one, because they're done properly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
They're very subtle.

Speaker 29 (01:09:56):
They you know, fix some of the normal kind of
fault to the face that you get as you, you know,
get into your forties and fifties, but you don't go
past that point where it starts to be noticeable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
So I think.

Speaker 29 (01:10:07):
Celebrities oftentimes get a little bit and they look better
and they're like more more or more right, and then suddenly,
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
You look like a completely different person.

Speaker 29 (01:10:16):
So yeah, they really need to like come have me
be their personal like you know, uh, you know, advisors going.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
To like ghet the stop button.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
So if you're doing the preventative at a younger age thirty,
like you said, around thirty years old, do you even
can you even notice it? Like if I had a
friend's thirty and he or she did it, and I
would would I even be able to tell if the
person did or not?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Uh, if you know what to look for, yes, but
most people don't.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Like I can tell when someone's had botox.

Speaker 29 (01:10:50):
Even if it's really really good, But like, would it
be noticeable to the average person. No, not if it's
properly done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Uh. So you know, if you're thirty and you want
to get it, you can get it.

Speaker 29 (01:11:02):
And I promise nobody will know unless they're just like
in the business and know the very subtle things to
look for.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, but you know it's preventative treatment.

Speaker 24 (01:11:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
If you get it and you stick with it, like,
you will not get those wrinkles. And I guarantee eventually
all of us.

Speaker 29 (01:11:16):
And I'm starting to get them myself, and my office
is hounded me to start botox, and I've been telling
them know, but uh yeah, I mean eventually you get them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Time catches up with all of this.

Speaker 29 (01:11:25):
But you know, botox is one of those things that
can kind of keep at least the wrinkles on the
forehead between the eyebrows and then the smile lines or
crow's feed from ever developing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
So if you're doing it as a preventative measure at
that again, at younger age, like do you does it
give you physically? Make you feel good? Does it make
your face feel good? Or I guess it doesn't even
matter if you're doing it. You're even doing it matter
if you're doing it at sixty like do you again,
not not the vanity part of it, but even like

(01:11:54):
a physical feeling from it.

Speaker 29 (01:11:57):
Yeah, so there's no physical feeling. But there is a
very interesting side effect from getting botox. And this is
not something that we really tut but I assure you
it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I mean almost.

Speaker 29 (01:12:08):
I don't want to say every patient, but I have
so many patients tell me this. If you have a
history of headaches and you get botox, there is a
very very high likelihood that you will see a notable
decrease in the amount of headaches you get. Why, because
of the muscles of the scalp oftentimes of the origin
of headaches, and so by relaxing those muscles, you oftentimes
will see if you have chronic headaches.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
That they get better.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
We're talking to doctor Bruce Herman and Doc Okay, let's
say I started at thirty, am I if am I
now obligated to get these more or less for the
rest of my life. If I quit doing it, say
when I'm sixty, is my face just going to drop off?
Like picture of Dorian Gray or some such or what's

(01:12:52):
the deal?

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
No, basically what would happen, Say, for example, you.

Speaker 29 (01:12:56):
Do it from thirty to forty, and if forty rolls
along in your life, you know what, forget this, I'm done.
So you basically stop the clock as far as those
rinking wrinkles forming. But now when you stop the boatox
the clock starts, and so you basically have ten years
you know, advantage of those wrinkles not forming. But if

(01:13:17):
you stop using it and then those muscles start working again,
over time, those wrinkles would develop, and they probably would
develop a little bit quicker as we age because the
skin is not quite as resilient, it doesn't have as
much elasticity, and it's a little bit more prone to
wrinkle anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Just with normal aging.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
That's that's fascinating. So how did.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
How did this phenomenon even get started of younger folks
thinking or like wanting to do this prevented?

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Was this a TikTok thing or some money?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
That's that's the biggest one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 29 (01:13:49):
And there's a lot of reasons why younger people are
getting more procedures done. And we know this from the
data that the American syudio plastic surgeons look at every
year on who is getting what. And we've seen a
trend in the last ten years that the average age
of people seeking treatments is starting to go down. Historically,
plastic surgery was reserved for like, you know, only middle

(01:14:10):
aged people. They're only ones that are doing or even older.
But what's happened, you know, social media has hit a rise.
People are seeing you know, pictures of themselves on their socials,
they're seeing their their video when they're doing zoom calls
these days, the so called zoom effect. They're seeing influencers
and celebrities talk about these treatments all the time. And

(01:14:30):
so then and there's also that you know, unrealistic expectation
of beauty that's been in the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
United States forever.

Speaker 29 (01:14:35):
So when you combine all those things, but you hit
the nail on the head mostly the rise of social
media and the things that come along with that. It's
not really surprising at all that younger people are starting
to seek out these treatments.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
And I think it's okay partly.

Speaker 29 (01:14:50):
I mean, again, you know, at thirty year old get
in botox, I don't have a problem with that. You know,
there was a story and I don't know if you
guys were going to bring this one up, but I
did a segment on my show a few weeks back
about a twenty nine year old getting a facelift, and
I was just like, what, who what doctor would do
a facelift on a twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Nine year old?

Speaker 29 (01:15:10):
And so yeah, I mean that's just like a whole
nother discussion when you start to dive into surgeries that
are generally reserved for people that are, you know, fifty
or sixty and you're getting them a twenty Like, I mean,
that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
I do have a big issue with that. So this
was like the normal person, not some you know, elephant
man kind of person or victim of an accent or something.
It would just some mirando nine year old decided they
wanted to look like young Madonna or something.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
That's totally crazy.

Speaker 29 (01:15:40):
And so, you know, one of my biggest, you know,
gripes about doing a facelift is, you know, one of
the major parts of doing a face lift is tightening
the deep structures of the face. So there's a fashion
layer along the muscle and then also the muscle of
the neck which starts to fall as we age, and
that's really what a facelift is doing, is tightening those
deep structures.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
In addition tightening the skin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I mean, it's almost impossible for someone in.

Speaker 29 (01:16:02):
Their twenties to have any fall of those structures, but
I will give a very very small asterisk.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
If it's safe.

Speaker 29 (01:16:10):
For example, somebody weighed four hundred pounds and then suddenly
they get on neozimbic and they lose two two hundred
and fifty pounds, it might be possible. That would be
maybe the only time where I was like, Okay, this
very very young person actually does have the issues that
are corrected by facelift. But I saw the pictures of
this girl and that was not the case. You know,

(01:16:31):
somebody took advantage of this poor girl, and actually I
looked it up. She actually went out of the country
she did in Turkey, which you know we've talked about medical. Yeah,
we talked about medical tourism all the time and how
I really don't like it, and so, you know, at
least was thankful to know that, you know, some regular
plastic surgeon. It's not doing facelifts on people in their twenties.
That would really kind of make me upset. But yeah,

(01:16:54):
this was out of the country.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
All right, with that, doc, we will let you go.
People want to find out more. Where can they go
to five you?

Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:17:01):
So I have my weekly podcast, Nip Talk It air
due to every Friday Vibe. You can catch the segments
as we put them up along along the league if
you don't watch the whole show. Also, I do a
lot on Instagram under Dallas Nip Tuck. So'd love for
you guys to come out and check out my stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
All right, buddy, thanks so much. All it's all good
to talk to you guys. Glad you're feeling better. Thank
you our good friend doctor Bruce Herman. But yeah, it's
pretty bad when a surgeon says I would never do
that surgery, but that yeah, because I would say, I
bet a facelift is a nice, nice paycheck for a doctor.

(01:17:40):
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We talked to this fellow right here, being brought to
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He was not the first replacement for Bob Trumpy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Why, you know, back in the good old days after
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Uh you had Chris Collinsworth's kind of in the bullpen
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Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
New York, New York accent, yes accents.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
So, yes, he was there. He was a legend and
he was good. And you know, a sports talk has
had many great and some not so great, but nonetheless, yes,
he was there. And I want to bring up something
that Jason brought up with your permission, that he because
I'm watching it right now on nine where nine stands
for news. Please, yeah, right now, I'm watching Joe Burrow

(01:20:59):
run around the practice facility with nothing on his feet
at all, throwing eighty yard touchdown passes to Jamar Chase
in the corner of the end zone, and Joe Flaco
is fielding balls for Joe Burrow. Could there be a
surprise come come Sunday. Could it be that Burrow is activated?

(01:21:21):
Flaco's AC joint continues to hurt. And in order to
say save the season, you got to win at Pittsburgh
and you got to win it home against New England,
who might be the best team in the NFC right now.
And if you lose those two games and you're three
and eight, you mazo, you maso, yurinate away the season
because it's over. And So I'm watching Joe right now

(01:21:43):
on Channel nine and I'm watching him throw the ball
and running around. I'm thinking, Hey, what are we watching here?
It's been what about Uh, it's been all about two months,
not quite two months, from the second game of the
year until now. But Jason, what do you think? What
are your orthopedic sources tell you about Joe Burrow?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
This is news to me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
I mean, I knew he was a practice I just
I didn't put two and two together. So, but I
knew Flacco is not practicing to give a shoulder rest
now now, now, Zach Taylor did come out. I believe
it was Zach or someone did come out and make
it clear in his press conference on Monday that he
will not be playing against Pittsburgh. So I wonder if

(01:22:26):
he was heading off your question here, WILLI knowing that
Flacco was going to take a break and give the
shoulder a break, which he did prior to the Bears game,
and then through for nearly five hundred yards. Right, yeah,
my question back to you, Willie, Yeah right, yeah, I
just I'm not going to practice during the week, but

(01:22:48):
I'll go through for five hundred on the Saturday or
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
And all the team still is can can George Burrow?

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Can he tackle? Is the big question. That's my question
for you, because that's the problem. If you haven't heard yet,
that's the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
The defense is like the imagine O line in World
War One with the French Army. As the hunt came
around the right side, imagine the line didn't apply. Now
this brings up I brought this up to Almo, and
that is this. I'm watching all the shows simultaneously, and
the Jets need a quarterback badly, and they got seven
first round draft picks, so one of the pundits that

(01:23:26):
now is the time for the Bengals to trade Joe
Burrow to the Jets, to New York, give the Bengals
seven draft picks like the Herschel Walker trade to Dallas
so many years ago, and then Duke Duke, Duke Totman
can pick all the stars in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
How about that one?

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Hell no, no, well, what what would the fan base?
I heard you talking to Rocky about that the other
day too, and I think Rocky pretty much just said
what Jason said. But could you imagine the fan base
here would be, Man, It'd be like a Frankenstein movie.
They'd be pitchforks and torches in the street, the ladders.

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
On the side of Pey Court, they'd be going up
the building. But nobody in New York shut that down.
They said, you know what, that's a good idea that
Jessy haven't had a quarterbacks showed name it's and so
it might be good to get another Joe in town.
And I'm thinking, are you crazy? Are you? Can you
see Jamar Chase and can you see the great number

(01:24:28):
one in five te going crazy about getting rid of
You know that's not gonna What we need is somebody
that can pick defensive players that within two or three
years can play defense. Does that make sense to anybody?
Can Why get Duke Tobin more force round draft choices? Hell?
He says, the two best draft picks I made with

(01:24:48):
Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Well, hell, a blind, dumb
befoone pool would have made those picks.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Exactly that exactly bragged. God, that's true. Let's put this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Eddie and I had Eddie and I had Mark with
a c Amazon on last week and he was all over,
he's all about trading Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Can we put that the rest?

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
Come on? Oh my gosh, come on, that'd be like
trading Hunter Green. Not quite the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
But nevertheless, whoa screeched. But let me let me ask
you guys something, because Burrow has become a bit of
a name it style kind of guy.

Speaker 6 (01:25:33):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
He's getting a little bit of Hollywood. Now, do you
think that Joe Burrow might indeed welcome a trade to
New York City?

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
The Bright Light, the Rano Jason. You might recall that
Joe Namath Poe's nude supposedly for some point of Playgirl magazine,
and Joe Burrow is want to dress on the runway
in New York? Or what's that parrot?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Harris?

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
Was that Paris? To me, that wasn't a good look.
Joe Burrow in a dress. I'm thinking, Joe, what are
you doing? Man? You're from your life from Athens, Ohio?
For God's sakes, what are you doing? But but Joe
Namath was shall we say, uh i advan guard when
it came to not wearing clothes getting pictures taken. I

(01:26:21):
think that was a perfume commercial of one type or another,
male cologne or whatever. And I'm thinking, look, you know,
New York at the capital of the world. Yeah, I'm thinking,
what are we doing? All I want to do is
win some football games and get the glory of his
first two seasons back. But you know, we got the toe,
we got the calf, we got the knee, you got
the appendix, you got the wrists, you got the wrist

(01:26:44):
and the appendix, and you got the toe and the
knee and the calf. And I'm thinking this doesn't look
this is not good. But I'm watching Channel ninth. Got
him throwing balls. I'm thinking, well, maybe maybe maybe for
New England at.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Home he can throw, But man, I'll tell you what
if and well, if Rocky were he can speak to it,
and I think I can speak for Rogan. This one
is kind of a no brainer. If guys know that
he's at least bit hobbled with a toe injury, they're
going to come after him like the fifth cavalry Man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Blitz bl it'll.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
And if one thing we've learned, you're plugging one Joe
for another Joe, it's kind of the same. I'm thinking, Okay,
the offense, I think fighting officially Flacco through for four
hundred and seventy five yards. Could Burrow have done any better?
I don't think so. The problem is giving up one

(01:27:41):
thousand and fifty yards on defense in the last two games. Now,
there's the problem, Sherlock. That's what you gotta fix, not
the offense. Even the running game has gotten so much better,
and money Mack is not issue any more bad checks.
Money Max is kicking the ball through the upright. We've
got the offense. It's going for fifty points a game,

(01:28:02):
and I still can't win.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Listen. I mean, it's been it's been, It's been discussed widely,
and it's been bitched about widely. Them losing that Jets game.
Come on, man, that was not only icing on the cake,
that was lighting the candle on the birthday kick right there,
blowing it out.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
That's just no. And now the next five games are
shall we say, difficult, and Baltimore looks to be real.
Pittsburgh is new England came out of nowhere. Jason, are
they the best team in the AFC?

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
I don't know, Colts. The Colts are pretty good, and
I don't count Baltimore out. Baltimore might ultimately be the
best team in the AFC. Their defense is a little
bit concerning, but Lamar's back. They've won three in a row.
How did Colts defense get so good? With the Bengals
cast off defensive coordinating.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
The Bengals fired this guy, see he must not be
very good.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
Gets fired. Oh he goes to Colts and just kick.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
The ass all over the middle of the ass.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
Mister ass. We got this guy from Notre Dame who's
not golden. And I'm thinking, Okay, maybe it's not the coach,
Maybe it's the players. Just possibly it's the person maybe
like the players. Maybe I don't know. Maybe, but he
did he did take Borrow and Chase, So please give
Tobin some credit, will you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Well, when we were talking to football earlier, he did
see he was talking about old school coaches and how
the Bengals do not have that. Zach Taylor's is a
fine as a very fine man, good family man. Seems
to the players seem to like him, but everyone he
was he was calling back the days of Forrest Greg.

(01:29:47):
Not only did the players like him, but they were
scared to death of that man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
He would look at you, so I remember, I remember
lapping mothers used to say that in a practice laugh
and lost the tooth or two and uh Greg, Greg
picked it up, put it in his pocket and said,
we'll deal with this when the season ends. Well, okay,
when the season's over, will give you back your tooth.
But now, I mean the head coach in Detroit, what's

(01:30:15):
his name, is a Campbell or something that guys old school.
The rest of it is all people like you know,
the Rams and and the Bengals, and you know Mike Tomlin.
They got to they got a search party out for
Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh. He doesn't win to go far
enough from the playoffs. Hell, it's me the third year
in there. We missed the playoffs. But you know, the

(01:30:36):
old school coaches are done. The players won't play for him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
All right with the With that, Willie, maybe it's time
for you to get out your Fedora and head out
there to the field, put on your old check sports coat,
and coach a little football.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
One thing in my life I've not done is coach
will played football. And thank god I still have a life.
And I got knees.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Thank god I didn't do that, Willie. Thanks so much,
odd blessed American.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, Bye bye there go.

Speaker 29 (01:31:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
But that's that's funny. Him sitting there watching TV, analyzing
every possible thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
That he had.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I can just see it's all he does. Like a
plays golf and watches TV like a crazy like a
crazy man, sitting there with about five five TVs, sitting
there just in his you know, kickback in his lounge chair,
drinking energy drinks, screaming at the TV. Good times, man,

(01:31:34):
very good times. Coming up. You're going to be talking
to Alex Stone from ABC after the news here at
the bottom of the hour, and tomorrow Rock will be
back with us and we will have your friend Jason
Hoffin doing a little sports picking. You might have to
join us on that one time and do a little
guest picking or something. All right, that'd be fun. I

(01:31:56):
could I could help with that. I do a little
pick and pool every week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
All right?

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I haven't read much into it, but I saw a
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(01:33:47):
say it was last week sometime and I had no
idea how this was going on. But here to discuss
is wild Alex Stone. This missing little girl I believe
started in California, right, Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:34:03):
Yeah, so it's really nationwide now. But separately, today her mom,
Ashley Buzzard, was in court because she was arrested on
Friday on a unrelated charge, but it got her into
custody for false imprisonment, and then she was in court
today looking really different because investigators have said she typically

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wears wigs and makeup, and in court today didn't look
like she had a wig on, a real short curly
hair and no makeup. So she was brought into court
and she played it not guilty to a charge of
false imprisonment. And this is allegedly where she had kind
of befriended this guy involving the case of her missing
daughter and held him against his will and she had

(01:34:45):
a box cutter last week preventing him from leaving her home,
and so she was arrested. The judge today said, based
off of that single charge, he's got to release her
with a GPS ankle monitor on. So she was granted
released today and the judge a short time to go
in court in Santa Barbara County. Sand Man, you're released
on supervised release. But as all of this is going

(01:35:07):
on with that false imprisonment charge, the bigger story around
Ashley Buzzer, it is that her daughter disappeared over a
month ago, and she's not helping at all to find her,
and there is no indication of where she is. So
on October fourteenth, the local school district in Santa Barbara
County called the Sheriff's office asking for a welfare check
because nine year old Melody Buzzard had not been seen.

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They thought at the time, in over a year that
she was allegedly being homeschooled, although there's no indication she
actually was being homeschooled. She had no friends, she was
not around any family members, and Melody Buzzard had not
been checked in with school in over a year. So
initially they thought this little girl had just disappeared a
year earlier and nobody had noticed. Well, they have now

(01:35:49):
figured out that on October seventh of this year that
Ashley the mother, and Melody, the nine year old daughter,
that they were seen on surveillance video running a car
in Santa Barbara and they went on a three day
road trip to Nebraska and back. On that road trip,
the nine year old wore wigs. Mom did as well.
She had a wig on the nine year old when
they rented the car and a hoodie hood up, so

(01:36:13):
it seemed like trying to hide her identity. The mom,
Ashley allegedly changed the rental car's license plates from California
to New York plates. They don't know where she got
the New York plates and then put the California ones
back on before she returned that rental car. But when
she returned the rental car in Santa Barbara, Melody was gone.
She disappeared on that road trip and on October fourteenth,

(01:36:36):
deputies that went to the home after the school called
and Raquel Zick is with the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office.
She says deputies went to the hall.

Speaker 28 (01:36:43):
These did contact the mom at the residence, but she
was unable to give us a fireball or reasonable explanation
up to where Melody was.

Speaker 30 (01:36:51):
So they executed a search warrant and they have found
no signs of the girl. They have since tracked down
the Melody was last scene alive. They found surveillance video
on that road trip from October ninth on the Colorado
side of the Colorado Utah border. There is a big
FBI search underway over multiple states today looking for Melody.
There is no evidence she's alive. There is no evidence

(01:37:11):
that she's dead, and she could be anywhere in the
world at this point. If she is alive. Bill Garcia
is a private investigator searching for Melody on the father's
side of the family. The dad of Melody died years
ago in a motorcycle accident, but the family is paying
for this private investigator. He is retracing their steps right now.
He's at the Colorado Utah border and he says, there's
no signs of anything.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
I don't see any of the signs that will indicating
Melody's life was taken and that she may be out
anywhere near there.

Speaker 30 (01:37:41):
So this point, if she's alive, they don't know where
she is. Investigators say Mom is being totally uncooperative. They
have no indication of what happened to Melody on that
road trip or why they were wearing wigs or switching
license plates. Lily Dennis is Melody's paternal grandmother. She was
at court today. She's mad. She wants answers from Ashley.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
I don't think big here with puncture.

Speaker 29 (01:38:01):
I don't care to put me in.

Speaker 30 (01:38:03):
Jill, but I want to know and nobody knows. So
today Ashley Buzzard. She's being released from jail on that
false imprisonment charge. She's gonna have to wear that GPS
monitor so they'll have an idea of where she is.
But she's not helping find her nine year old daughter.
And by the way, the last photo, the photo that's
been out there of Melody was from two years ago

(01:38:23):
and she was seven years old. They don't have There
is not a more updated photo of this little girl.
There's the surveillance video of them running the car, but
she was wearing a wig with a hoodie over it.
Not a real good picture of her, the last real.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
Photo of her.

Speaker 30 (01:38:36):
And you know a seven year old going from seven
to nine years old can change a lot. But the
last photo they have of her is over two years old.
Nobody had seen her between that time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Wow, my head spinning here, Alex. Is the fact that
the judge and what was the case again where she
has to work?

Speaker 31 (01:39:00):
Yeah, the false imprisonment they did that judge, Is he
or she make her wear this ankle monitor knowing the
other other side of this story, or is that illegal
to even do that?

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:39:17):
So he said today as a prosecutor said, look, you're
on her she needs to remain in custody. Look at
this other case where she was switching license plates and
wearing wigs and the dada.

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
You know.

Speaker 30 (01:39:28):
I hate to tell you, I can't bring that into
consideration because she hasn't been charged with anything. There's no
crime in that yet.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Uh.

Speaker 30 (01:39:35):
And they, you know, because they don't have a body,
they don't know what happened to her. You're not kidnapping
your own daughter. They don't know. I mean, maybe she's
alive with somebody. There's indications that she has told people
that maybe she's alive in Utah and she was handed
to somebody, So they don't.

Speaker 24 (01:39:49):
Know, you know.

Speaker 30 (01:39:50):
So he said, just based on the law, he's got
to go on what you would do with a false
imprisonment count for telling somebody they can't leave a room
and can't rely on anything involving the missing girl until
there's something that links her to that. So he had
to go based just on the false imprisonment. But but
he definitely knew about it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
All right with that, Alex, we will let you go, buddy,
Thanks so much. You got to thank thanks Alex. Well,
I yah, and thanks Alex. That's just an awful story, man,
I think of getting into talking about kids and just
that I think that will pissed any normal personal But

(01:40:31):
have you ever in your kids are held now nine
and twelve, actually, oh my twelve year old will be
thirteen here in a few days eighteen, and have you
have you ever been concerned that one of your kids
was lost?

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
I don't remember specifically. I generally feel like there was
maybe a time we were in a store, and I'm
sure every parent out there is like, yeah, oh I
had that experience, and you know, you briefly like your
kids disappears and he's over in an aisle or two
away looking at something.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
There's right, there is no worse feeling. Oh, that happened
to us twice. If you're familiar with the uh actually
not downtown Milford, but the Milk oh yeah, off of
the Milford to seventy five off of Milford there there's
a Low's and there's a target, I believe, and h

(01:41:33):
and stuff that. There's a couple of things around there,
but there's also an eye hop there and we used
to live real close to there. Right down to seventy
five is only a couple exits away. So we took
our we took the boys there when they were a
little I Hop got breakfast because you know, it is
when you have little kids like that. And they were
probably i want to say, like nine and seven something

(01:41:55):
like that. Breakfast places are fun when they're yeah, kids
and so, but they're also up at like, so we're there.
It's a Saturday morning. I needed to go to Low's. Anyway,
I was like, guys, let's go. And Deb was up
and come on, we're gonna go to I Hop get
a little breakfast. Daddy's gonna stop with the hardware, fingers
going to eye. There you go. And it was we

(01:42:19):
used we used to let him pretend they were ordering food.
They would they would think they were ordering food, but
they weren't. Dead would just tell the waitress, look, just
give them my she would get whatever and hers. She
would order a side of pancakes. Just give them those pancakes.
Don't even worry about all the fruit fruit stuff they want. Okay, cool.
And so we're leaving, We're going to go to if
you're familiar with this area, the Low's is, it's the

(01:42:43):
same parking lot.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
So then being little boys, they said, Dad, can we
can we walk down there? And it's seven thirty eight
o'clock in the morning, and somebody, yeah, if you guys
just be careful. Look there's cars going everywhere around here.
Just be careful. Yeah, and your mother and I are
just going to get in the car and we'll meet
you down there and just meet us, meet us out,

(01:43:09):
I said, meet us in the front, meaning the front
of the store.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Well, so we uh go, Deb and I are just
taking our time. Just we didn't take that much time.
When we get in the car, drive down there, walk
up to the front of the store. No little boys there,
and so we're looking around looking out in the parking lot.
Obviously I'm not a a lot of cars, so we're

(01:43:34):
looking everywhere a little they probably they must be inside.
So we go inside. Nowhere to be seen, oh no,
and uh so then we run back outside and Deb
is I'm starting to freak. Deb is really freaking, and

(01:43:57):
they have to be here someplace they couldn't have. And
about that time, there's a white panel van driving out
of the parking lot and my wife started screaming running
after the white panel van, and I was like, oh now,
my heart's beating ninety, you know, million times a second.

(01:44:20):
And it's instant too. Oh, absolutely it is. And now
I'm starting to panic, and so I run back in
to ask somebody to call nine to one one. And
as soon as I run back in, here come the
boys walking out of They had gotten distracted by god

(01:44:40):
knows a Christmas tree display or something and had wandered
off to the side instead of being right there in front.
And I think their mother had to go home and
do a pants change because she was six severely upset,
and that all that, that all happened. And I bet

(01:45:02):
you couldn't have been longer than two minutes, right, seriously,
but it felt like but it felt like two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Yeah. And there was another time where Jack was going
to meet him buddy of his at a move think
whatever Batman movie. I just remember it being Batman, And
we took him to that theater that's right there, the
theaters to the showcase there. Yeah, and Deb dropped him
off and the kids he is going to meet him

(01:45:32):
in the lobby. It's like, okay, you're you're good. Here's
the money to buy yourself a pop and stuff like that,
blah blah blah. So he's like, I'm good, and you know,
that's where he was. He was probably about twelve thirteen
by then, so he was kind of so he uh,
he goes in, she comes home. I said, everything cool, Yeah,
he's there and Gabe is going to meet him. So

(01:45:55):
he So then we get a call later on from
Gabe's mom. You know, we didn't see Jack anywhere. Uh So,
just long story short, Jack didn't see him anywhere, so
he just walked into the movie theater by himself and
started watching the movie without telling anybody. So he watched

(01:46:17):
the entire movie by himself. Well, they finally step went
over there and started roaming the aisles and found him
sitting there, going, hey, mom, what are you doing here
drinking his pop and eating his popcorn. Dude, you're gonna
have to have a little chat when you get home.

Speaker 18 (01:46:35):
With that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
With that thought in mind, we check in with traffic
and weather. What's going on.