10-27-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker

10-27-25 Nightcap

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW on Monday
evening October twenty seven, twenty twenty five. Jeff Gilson will
be here. Among his many attributes was a speech writer
for the late great Margaret Thatcher, remember the Prime Minister
of Great Britain that everyone called the Iron Lady. Good

(00:24):
friends with Ronald Reagan, Michael Finch, who is the president
of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, with a brand new
book called A Time to Stand to Preserve American culture
and history and keep us Great, Joshua Philip from the
Epoch Times, Brian Reesinger from Land Rich, Cash Poor, and

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on what China's trying to do to American farmers, and
also the wild Man. Before we're done, but we start
tonight with Joseph Solomon, who was literally rolling on the
river as we speak, and we're going to find out
about his latest tales from his journey, his kayak journey,

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which will amount to some six thousand miles by the
time he's finished next year. He set out from Cincinnati
on September first on his kayak and is now in Mississippi.
I believe. Let's get an update from Joseph Solomon.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Joe how are you doing, man, I'm pretty good in yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm doing fine. And to spit all that stuff out
just so we could get to the good stuff you
We talked to you on September first, as you were
just setting sail on your kayak out of Cincinnati. And
again for folks who did not hear that interview, Joseph,
what is your ultimate goal and when will you get there?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
My ultimate goal is to be able to paddle back
to Cincinnati after going around that's the be Florida and
up into New York, cutting through the Great Lakes and
coming down the Illinois River back to the Mississippi, and
once I get to the Ohio confluence, I'll attempt to
paddle back up the Ohio River.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
How much difficulty is that paddling up the Ohio as
as opposed to paddling down.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, paddling down's probably more difficult than paddling up because
the winds come from the southwest every day, So getting
down the river, you've got winds in your faith all
day long. Going back up, I've got a sail on
my kayak. I can actually sail back up the Ohio
River instead of having to paddle, so hard.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
What is the what is the longest trip you've made
on a kayak to this point, I mean, before you
started this, what was the lengthiest trip you made in
your kayak?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Joe, I did back in twenty twenty one. I did
the entire Mississippi River from source to Vicksburg, Mississippi, and
then a Hurricane Heida came through and kind of decimated
the rest of my routes. The following year, I've paddled
from downtown Cincinnati all the way to the Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Wow, but that's nothing like paddling through the inner coastal
and then going back up of the Eastern seaboard. That
just seems really, really daunting. At any point. How close
are you to the ocean at any point on your voyage?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, there will be days that I can actually get
out into the ocean when it's calm, somewhere around Alabama's
where the inner coast the waterway really starts, and I
can stay within those boundaries if the ocean's tub rowty,
or I can take the ocean route if I still choose.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
All right, So here's the other question. And I know
you've got plenty of stories, just almost two months into
your trip. Here we are at October twenty seventh. Where
is Joseph Solomon? Right now?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I am at the entrance of the old lock to
the chapel Aya River on the Mississippi Louisiana border.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Shortly today, at.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Some point in the afternoon, I will be strictly in Louisiana, okay,
with no bordering states.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, and I know that you have a what do
you call your your fund that that's keeping you afloat,
keeping you in in.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
People can donate direct or they can donate to the
National Alliance for Mental Illness on my website, which is
Kayaking the new Merrick for acause dot com. Right and
on there there's tabs that people can donate direct eat
me going to raise this awareness.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Provisions, provisions you called it your spam fund or what
you call that.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Just yeah, if people want to give me a can
of spam, they can dominate a couple of bucks to
the spam fund.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
All right, But that's Kayak for a Cause, Kayaking for
a call, Kayaking for a Cause dot org or.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Dot com dot com.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
All right, fantastic. Now, you set out on September first,
as we mentioned, out of Cincinnati. What was the first, uh,
what was the first bit of turbulence you encountered in
your kayak on your journey? Just the first time you went, oh, man,
this is a really great idea. I'm glad I came

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up with it.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I guess you're speaking of something that kind of scared.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
The Bejesus.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Exactly really happy I'm doing this. Uh. I was coming
into the John T. Meyers locking Damn there on the
Ohio River, and there was a storm brewing behind me,
and it was pushing me into the lock and damn,
and I was live feeding the whole entire situation, which

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that storm. I didn't get hit by it until after
I went through the lock. But the winds were so
heavy and it pushed me into the lock. I had
nowhere to go to hide or get out of it.
And you know, I'm thankful that I was able to
get into that lock and get out of that lock
without any kind of incidents.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
But it was pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
What should like going through a lock in a kayak?
Somebody else asked me that the first time you were
on the air. I said, I have no idea what
he does in those situations.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I have a VHF radio and on channel thirteen, you
can call the lock master and request to be entered
into the lock. I usually call them when I'm about
a mile away, just in case they have to fill
the chamber up to get to where I'm at or
and then once I get in, they let the water

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out of the chamber, and once it's completely level with
the water below the dam, the door is open and
your cruise on out.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
All right, So you made it through that situation, what
was what was the next adventure you? I mean you
you at a certain point. Did you get onto the
Mississippi or how did you start heading south?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I paddled from Cincinnati to the confluence of the
Ohio and Mississippi, which goes southwest. And then once I
got on the Mississippi, which was about I think somewhere
around October the first right, I made it onto the
Mississippi River, and I paddled to Memphis from there, and

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I met with my friend David. He lives in New Orleans,
so he's paddling with me from Memphis all the way
to New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
So you are gonna you are going to land in
New Orleans. Then are you gonna drop David off.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Uh, David's gonna go back to his his daily life,
and I'm going to keep on going. One thing is
I have to come home for a doctor's appointment, So
I gotta I got Once I get to New Orleans,
I'm gonna drive back to Cincinnati see the doctor, and
then drive back to New Orleans and get all my way.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
All right, was this like a planned doctor's appointment?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I have to return to the doctor every three months unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So yeah, that kind of that kind of makes the
trip a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But you just a little bit. Yeah, I'm doing fairly well.
I'm actually rolling at probably twenty averaging with all the
days off that I've taken. I'm averaging twenty to twenty
one month a day.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So you say a day off, what do you do
on a day off? Do you find a place to recoup?
I know that a lot of people leave you. You've
told me that a lot of people on the journey
know what you're doing and have been following you. And
it's hard to get back up on the river sometimes
because these people want to take you in and treat

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you like their little pet or something.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Like a pet.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, to be honest with you, I've stayed on
the water pretty much the whole time. There may have
been a couple times, two or three times I got
out and went to either a hotel or somebody's house,
But for the most part, I've been on the river.
On the river. On a day off, I get to

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organizing all my stuff and trying to clean the sand
off of everything, because everything does get caked with sand.
I bet uh So, Yeah, on a day off, you're
doing things. We hung out in Natchez for a while,
got to meet the mayor of Idelia, which is there
across the river from Natchez. Dave and I called it

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Shanghai in Natchez.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Because we were stuck there for like.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Four days and river angels were passing us off to
other river angels and it was just a really good
time and kind of held us back a few days.
But now we're back at it again, and we're probably
I don't know, some forty five to fifty miles just
north of Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
The Red Stick. You know what I would ask you Normally,
if I knew somebody was going to Louisiana, I would
ask for them to bring me back some budhang, but
it's not really not really something you can do.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
That is something I can do next month on the
sometime during the day on the twelve, I can get
that to you. You just share me your contact info
when we get off the station, and I'll make sure
that I'll bring some boudan to you.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Have you Have you ever had budan?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, sir, I have, and it's probably the best sauce
that you can ever eat. And like I said, I'm
a man of my word. I'll put a kooler together
and get some budhan, do you.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, you know, maybe I'll uh, maybe I'll go to
maybe I'll go to kayakingfor acause dot com and I'll
provide the funds so you can pick it up easily
for me.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, I can do that for you. Is there
anything else from New Orleans that you just love that
you need?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, not especially. I mean, I'm a big fan of
gumbo and uh and I love Cajun and Creole cooking.
But that's fine. If if I can get a roll
of budant out of this, it'll be a bargain for me.
I got you, all right, fantastic, So from New Orleans.
Then you're going to drive back to your doctor's appointment

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and then drive back down right, Yes, sir, okay? And
does the kayak stay in New Orleans or how does
that happen?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, the kayak and all my gears is going to
stay in New Orleans. I have a secure place to
put it kind of why, Like I wasn't supposed to
go to the doctor till the end of the month,
but I have a secure place right now. So I'm
gonna just, you know, kind of hold up a couple
of days in New Orleans and enjoy myself and then
drive home and then drive right back.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, I got you. What's what's been? Has there
been another tough part of the trip so far for you?
I mean, all of it sounds pretty grueling to me, but.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Uh, just I would say the toughest thing is the
Mississippi River. Water levels are extremely low right now, okay,
And with them being so low, there's not a lot
of rooms for the kayak and barges to make pass
while going down the river. So a lot of times

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we have to stay clear of the channel because of
the barges, and that's it's hard for them, and it's
hard for us, but we've remained in constant contact with
all barge operators to make sure they know where we're
at and and you know, know of a safe place
that we can stay or or b But when you

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go behind the movies, it's all flackwaters, so you slow down,
and some days we won't get the kind of miles
we really want to get in that day because we're
slowed up by by traffic. And with these low water levels,
commerce in the United States is going to suffer, you know,

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from from the the levels of the water being so low.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
How did you How did you train for this physically?
I mean, because this is like running a marathon every
day in a boat.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
To me, well, I've got a lot of muscle memory
in my body. I between twenty eighteen and or yeah, yeah,
twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, I've paddled well over
seven thousand miles. So by doing that, I really don't
have to, like, you know, work out every single day

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or prepare too much. I always know that the first
two weeks are going to be growing for me, and
then after that my body will be used to it
and I can just keep on going.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's a lot of it seems like a lot of
work to me, Joe.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
It is, but you know, it is a lot of work.
But at the same time, you know, we're I'm able
to raise awareness for mental health to a lot of people,
and it's been very, very good to us.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know, some people might be some people might question
your mental health doing something like this.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still here. We're navigating with
a barge right now, so I'm just trying to pay attention.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Sure, sure, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean some may question my mental health. I don't
because I know what I'm capable of and what I
can handle. And and this is you know, I've had
a near death experience in my life and it had
a profound change on my life to a point where
I've realized that I had this incredible strength to be

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able to do this. So why not go out and
raise awareness and get people talking about mental health and
in a beautiful environment, because the Mississippi and the Ohio
rivers are both beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I would agree with you. So the next step when
you get back to New Orleans and you get back
in the kayak is to make your way east. Right.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, there's some portageing I have to do in New
Orleans because the lock to get to the Inner Coastal
Waterway is not operational right now, I don't think because
of the water levels. So I'm gonna take buy you
Saint John and then do do the oldest portage in

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in in America and and actually walk walk my boat
through to the other side so that I can get
into the Inner Coastal Waterway.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, that's not an easy feed either, walk in your
kayak because you've got all that equipment on it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, I've got I've got a set of wheels that
I can put in the mid to back end of
the kayak and pick it up and walk with it.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's that's amazing. So from there you get on, you
get on the Inner Coastal and you're going through Alabama
and you go all the way into Florida. Right.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Uh, yes, I will be in Florida all winter long.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right, Well, that makes sense. You don't want to. You
don't want to. You don't want to be kayaking up
the Eastern Seaboard in the middle of winter.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, No, it's not very long. They're from New Orleans
to the Panhandle of Florida. It's not a vast great distance.
It's uh, you go to Mississippi for a little bit,
in Alabama for a little bit, and then you're in
the the uh or you're in the panhandle of Florida.

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It's gonna get cold on me. I already know it.
I've got the year to be able to handle that chill. Uh.
But yeah, pretty much. So keep on moving east and
then go south around the tip of Florida this winter.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Oh wow, so you're going You're going all the way
down to like get around around Miami and then back
up the Florida coast. Yeah, that's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't I don't know a lot of people that
paddle that whole state.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
There's like a Facebook group I believe that that has
a bunch of paddlers that do, particularly what I'm doing.
A lot of the great Loopers will cut through Lake Okatobe.
I'm gonna skip that and just add a couple hundred
more miles and go around.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
The tip of the state.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, you said that you were you were streaming a
lot of this. Where where can people find that? Joseph Solomon, Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
If you look me up, Joseph Solomon with the Cincinnati
behind it, it'll all pop up. If you look up
just Joseph Solomon, you won't find me because there's an
artist that's got the same last name, but it's not me.
Joseph Joseph Solomon, Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Then you're gonna find me s O. L O MO
N Solomon, corect And make sure you put the Cincinnati
behind and you can catch some of Joseph's adventures as
he continues to kayak paddle the Great American Loop from
Cincinnati prayerfully back to back to Cincinnati. Joseph, thank you

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for taking time and for a dodging death and danger
talking to me while you're out on the river. I
I appreciate your time, and let's make plans to check
back in soon.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Okay, Yeah, check out with me about that bootand too.
I'll be I'm about a week out and I'll be
carrying it.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Back with me, all right, you got it?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
All right? Well, have a good day.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Hey you too. Kayaking for a Cause dot com If
you'd like to contribute to his spam and my boot
ant fund, it's the nightcap and we roll on in minutes. Yep,
it's the Nightcap on this on Monday night, October twenty seventh,
twenty twenty five, Gary Jeffers. We continue this evening our

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next guest, most notably was a speech writer from Margaret Thatcher,
the great British Prime Minister, who was a beacon of
freedom in the world and in a country that has
obviously had their political issues ever since Margaret Thatcher left

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the stage for a number of reasons. But he is
a geopolitical expert, and he is our geopolitical expert in
this segment. Would you please welcome Jeff Gilson, Jeff, good evening.
How are you.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
I'm fine, Thank you guy for having me. Happy to
be here.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, before we get into the meat and bones
of what is going on currently on the political stage,
I did want to ask you from historical perspective, because
I was alive and fairly political aware in my twenties
of the great Margaret Thatcher, the woman some named the

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Iron Lady. I know that she was good good friends
with President Ronald Reagan, whom I had the pleasure of
voting for twice early on in life. What was it
like and what was your interaction like with the Prime
Minister when you were writing speeches for her and working

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with her?

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Well, I helped to write speeches for her early on
in her career in the mid seventies, when she was
first running for the leadership of the Conservative Party. And
the thing that it's very difficult to understand at this
passage of time, almost fifty years ago, is that when
she ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party in

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nineteen seventy five, she was a rank outsider. She was
Susan by no means the natural next leader of the
Conservative Party, so she didn't have all that many connections
within the main establishment of the party and had to
have a platform outside of the party mainstream in order

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to launch her being for the leadership. And that's the
association I hang with her in those early days, helping
to write speeches for her through a group called the
Selstone Group. She was at first actually kind of nervous
about power and grew into the role very considerably during
the eighties. As a matter of trivia, one of the

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things based people don't realize is how small she was.
She was only five foot fall and that was the
first thing. But she exuded power wherever she went, and
this is one of the reasons she still as stride
Great Britain in the eighties was that most of the
private school educated men in her cabinet simply could not
or would not stand up to her. One of the

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things I learned personally in an interaction with her is
that she really appreciated people who challenged her, and that
was that was probably the most important thing. She rode roughshod.
She was a strong leader, but she really really enjoyed
a good challenge, and some of the most some of
my greatest friendships within her cabinet were both people she

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did not agree with politically because they had the chaspa
to challenge her.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Huh, well, that's amazing that you mentioned she was only
five feet tall. In no way did she ever appear
that diminutive if you saw her speaking as Prime Minister
of Great Britain in the eighties. She had such a
towering personality that it more than made up for her

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for her lack of vertical prowess. So that being said,
and you said she was kind of an outsider outside
of the Conservative Party, would you would you relate President
Trump the same way in twenty fifteen when he came
down the escalator.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yes, I mean it's very interesting. The other thing about
Margaret Thatcher is that although she went to Oxford, she
was man of Cambridge where were the other Oxford Cambridge.
She was not from an upper class background. Her father
was a grocer in East in eastern England. She came
from a very simple background and worked her way up

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to the top. Trump didn't exactly come from a poor ground,
but he was not a natural politician. And I think
that Margaret Thatcher would see a lot of commonality in
Donald Trump and absolutely compared it to his inter relations
with some of the world's leaders at the moment. She
would find him interesting, but she wouldn't break down. She

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would she would have what we call frank and honest
conversations with him. She was a firecracker, but she would
find a lot of common ground with Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
It was amazing. And you talk about Donald Trump's relationship
with the other leaders around the world and how important
that has been, especially here in the second Trump term,
And what did you find most I don't know if
genius is the word, but what was the most important

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part of President Trump putting together this Middle East peace deal?
As he did it literally piece by piece, country by country,
getting other countries on board, say, for example, for the
strikes on Iran to isolate Iran and then finally set
up this ceasefire, this tenuous ceasefire between Hamas and Israel.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Well, this again is an interesting parallel between Margaret Thatcher
and Donald Trump, because Margaret Thatcher in nineteen seventy five
was not at the center of the Conservative Party and
was seen as an outsider. She tried very hard in
her administration to have a broad based cabinet with points
to view for more parts of the party, and it

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wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't an overriding success. In
her second administration, starting in nineteen eighty three, she said
enough of that. I want around me people who agree
with me, people I can trust to you not to
goof off when I leave the room. And it was
very different. Same thing with Trump. Trump's first term, he
tried really hard, as an outsider, as a non politician,

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to listen to those people whispering to him that he
really needed a broad based government.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
And it was a disaster.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
And what he achieved wasn't a disaster, but it was
very difficult to achieve what he achieved with the economy
and for example, with the Abraham Accords. Second time around,
he's not done that. He's got people around him who
are loyal, people who understands, people who are on the
same page. And the most important thing is that he
found his footing in dealing with foreign affairs. What he

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has always been interesting, what he is about, first and foremost,
he's not being a politician, but as being a deal maker.
He's not a diplomat, he's not a politician. He's not
interested in waiving social justice and human rights. What he's
interested in is putting America first and doing deals around
the world, business deals that are good for America. And

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that's been his approach to Ukraine and Gaza. He stands
there and says, I do not understand the history of
these fights. I don't want to understand how it goes
back hundreds of years. There is no reason to be fighting,
and everybody is losing out on great business opportunities, which
are what help people. At the end of the day,
I want American business back in Moscow. I want the

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Russian people to benefit.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
I want.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
American business benefiting in Ukraine, and I want American business
benefiting a united Middle East economic community, which should include
the Palistine Aribs. That's not going to happen with the fighting.
The first thing we need to do is stopped the fighting.
And what he has employed in both Ukraine and Gaza
is fell making tactics where basically you ask two questions,

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what do you want what do you want to avoid? Well,
what about history?

Speaker 7 (28:14):
I don't care about history? What do you want?

Speaker 5 (28:16):
And what do you want to avoid? And he uses
three things, leverage, threat, and public performance. And he tried
it out first of all in Ukraine with the anchorage
meeting with Putin and Zolenski meeting with him later and
got them to accept they were not each of them
going to get everything that they wanted. Then he left

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the room and the children started goofing off, and he
went off to deal with Gaza. In Gaza, he learned
his lesson and he made absolutely certain that he would
stop the fighting with phases with what do you want?

Speaker 7 (28:50):
What do you want to avoid?

Speaker 5 (28:52):
But then he made sure he had a big public
performance in Charmel. Schek invited Europeans, invited all of the
air donations and say you are invested in this as
much as I am, so no goofing off. Now he's
gone back to Ukraine and he's employing the same tactics.
And when Selensky went to the meeting about a week

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ago in the White House.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
Everyone was saying, well, he's going to get.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Tomahawk missiles, and I was one of the few people
that said, no, he's not. This is a come to
Jesus moment for Zelensky when Trump is going to turn
around and say I cut my eye off, took my
eye off the board, and trusted you and Putin to
sort out the details of what we'd agreed, and you
Zelensky went running around Europe trying to back out of
the deal, and Putin tried to get more land. That's

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going to stop. No, you're not getting Tomahawk crew's missiles
because it will escalate and you need to accept what
we have on the ground is what is going to happen.
So the genius, if you like that he brought to
the deal making in Ukraine and Gaza is this is
a business deal. It's not a peace deal or a
diplomatic agreement. It's a business steel and that's why it's working.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Jeff Gilson, can you imagine someday, say ten years from now,
if that coastline in Gaza is really the beautiful, sparkling
jewel of the Middle East. Because President Trump was able

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to bring that piece through business and through common sense
with all these other Middle Eastern countries. He went to UAE,
went to Cutter, he went to Saudi Arabia, he went
to all of the other players in this area, all
the other neighbors of Israel, and got their acquiescence and saying, yes,
we want, we want this pro business model of free

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trade and of peace without all the bloodshed, because it
makes the most economic sense for everyone involved, including the Palestinians.
But can you imagine that day when there are just
beautiful hotels and resorts. Do you think that will ever
happen in the Gaza strip.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
That's only exactly how it will happen.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
But although that chunter is very, very business and that's
what he wants to do, he's not a man without
a heart. Anybody who's seen him interact personally with people
knows that he's not without a heart. What he's not
prepared to put him I hope I can use initials
BS on your show.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
He's not prepared to put up with BS.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
And he says that to everyone, whoever they are. That's
why he had net An Yahu in the White House
personally apologizing to Qatar. As he sat he said, no,
you're going to make that tin of a call right now,
right now, while I'm sitting here, I'm putting you in
your place. I think that he is aiming for a
situation where the Palestinian Arab problem is out of the way,

(31:52):
but not Palestinian Arabs.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
He is well aware that.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Whether through their poor leadership or whatever, the party that's
come off the worst in all this are the ordinary
Palestinian Arab people. And what I think he really wants
to see happen is the fighting stop and the land
of Gaza made better for the Palestinian Arab people. And
in our regard, I think he's going to turn around

(32:17):
to Qatar and the Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia said
when I've done the deal on the fighting stops, and
I pushed back on Israel and we have no more
fighting in that area. I am looking to you guys,
with your trillions of dollars or sovereign world funds, to
open up the purses and help these people rebuild. You

(32:38):
don't get to turn your back on it is may
not all you know, you'll get some hotels and so on,
but you will also help these people rebuild their country.
So I think we will see a rebirth of Gaza.
But I think there will be some humanity there as
well as business, because I think that's what Trump is
looking for.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Oh absolutely, you know, arising a rising tide sol boats Jeff.
And yes, if he can convince these people that that.
And by the way, BS, you are more economical with
words than I do. I am because of FCC rules,
I always say male bovine fecal samples, but BBS is

(33:18):
much more succinct. You're right. Also, I wanted to well,
just among the backdrop of what we're talking about in
the leadership that President Trump has shown on the world
stage in these matters, do you find it ironic that,
at the same time President Trump not only is clearly
the leader of the Republican party in this country, but

(33:39):
the leader of the free world, the Democrats are struggling
to find a leader for their party at all, and
they're just kind of listless and without direction.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yes, I'll be honest with you. By nature, I would
describe myself as a Democrat, but by Republican frame. Laugh
and saying not really. What has happened is in the
last thirty years, the Democrats have very considerably lost their way.
If you look at the Democrat Party now, this is
not the Democrat Party of Jack Kennedy or even Bobby

(34:16):
Kennedy or even Bobby Kennedy Jr. It is just not
the same Democrat Party. It has lost its way. It
no longer works and acts for working people. MAGA is
more for working people than the Democrats.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
They've lost a lot.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Of time and effort in social engineering fantasy, and it
has put off a lot of people like me and
people like me and actually a little cast a drift.
We are much more likely to look out at the
world and be honest about what we see. I don't
agree with everything Trump does, but there's an awful lot
more for the disagreement.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
About the Democrats.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
The Democrat Party at the moment is a party that
is lost. And it doesn't surprise me that it cannot
find a unified message or a to unite behind because
it's totally split. I think the twenty eight Democratic primary
race is going to be a blood first.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Oh, no question about that. And my my whole question,
Jeff Gilson is uh, does a common sense Democrat, say
someone like in your image of what a Democrat is
or used to be, like a John Fetterman. Does he somehow?
Does he somehow rise above the growing Marxist move within

(35:37):
the Democrat Party.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
It's hard to say. The Democrat Party in its primary
stages the activists has always been somewhat left wing. It's
kind of surprising that Biden managed to rise. And Biden
isn't Biden wasn't a rabid left winger. It's kind of

(36:00):
surprisingly erose Obama the saying sometimes the Democrat Party will
get a hold of itself and try and bring a
centrist type leader to the foe. I think those days
are gone. I read an eclectic number of media outlets
and get subscriptions and so on and everything that I'm

(36:22):
hearing from internally within the Democratic activist basis, their teeth
are set, and they really want to see somebody like
a Newsome, even AOC, become the Democratic presidential candidate in
twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Newsom has got some definite problems with authenticity, and we
just do as I say, not as I do, kind
of things that the voters hopefully will remember when they
go and cast their ballots. If say, Agavin Newsom is
on that ballot or in a primary. I just there's

(37:01):
just a lack of real to what's going on right
now within the Democrat Party, whether it's the Marxist left wing.
Is Aron Mondani pie in the sky, you know, taking
over the means of production and Marxism and AOC who
really it strikes me as odd that she actually graduated

(37:26):
from anywhere when I hear her speak. And Gavin Newsom,
the famous French laundryman, who's you know, out out and about.
When he's telling people to stay cloistered in their homes
and wear masks. You know, people are not going to
forget that.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
I hope no.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
I mean I some things are easy, Gary, something's aren't.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Let's take the easy things.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Could I vote for jdvanswer twenty eight Yes. Could I
vote AOC? Not a chance? Would I vote ever? Knew
some not a chance? People who describe themselves as democratic socialists.
I joke about this in some ways. It's probably a
bad joke, but I joke about it anyway. I said,

(38:14):
putting words in front of the words socialism does not
qualify it. If you are a socialist you're a socialist,
then you're a democratic socialist. Doesn't qualify Go and read
the Democratic Charter. I did because I did my homework,
and you're absolutely right, right into the means of production,

(38:35):
the green, the green, the green, the New Green Deal
and everyone why you know it's it's wearing our hearts sleeves.
We like fairly teddy bears. We want to preserve the environment.
I said, go in and read it. Read the last
two clauses. It's got nothing to do with fuzzy wuzzy
save the environment. It talks about community ownership of the

(38:56):
means of production in order to save the environment.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
Was uppish.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
I grew up in Great Britain, I mean, your listeners
right now, Army attaction, American citizen, but I was born
and raised born in the United States Air Force base
in England and raised there. And in the nineteen seventies
we had socialists in Great Britain and they almost destroyed
the country and it took Margaret Thatcher to rescue it.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Jeff Gilson, thank you so much for your time. Ours
is sadly gone, but I appreciate it so much. As
we get into another hour of the nightcap here on
seven hundred WLW joining us now a first time guest
of Mind, but he's been on the scene for literally
decades now. He is the president of the David Horowitz

(39:43):
Freedom Center, and he has a brand new book out
which is a collection of essays about the enduring spirit
of America, our liberty, our land, our hopes, our memories,
our faith, and the beauty of our culture that we
seek to restore. It's not all gone yet. It hasn't

(40:04):
all been torn down like a Civil War statue somewhere
in the mid South. That it is still there. The
heartbeat of what this country is all about is still beating,
many would say, and maybe our guest will say, it's
been on life support for a time, but it's back

(40:25):
and beating stronger than I believe it hasn't a long time.
We'll get our guest reads. Michael Finch, Welcome to the show.
How are you.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
I'm doing great, Grey, Thank you again for having me on.
It's a real honor. Hello Cincinnati, and looking forward to
talking about the book and this wonderful, incredible, beautiful country
and culture and history that we have.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
How did you get associated originally with the David Horowitz
Freedom Center, Michael tell me about.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
That they've been working. Yeah, I've been working. I had work.
Of course.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
David just passed away earlier this year, right were said
saying we miss him greatly. I started working for David
almost twenty three years ago. I had been working for
the Claremont Institute. Larry arn who now runs Hillsdale College,
was the president of the Claremont Institute back then. I
worked for Larry for a few years and he left
for Hillsdale, and there's some changes, and I had the opportunity.

(41:16):
I got interviewed by David twenty three years ago, and
it was kind of love at first, I guess. I
worked side by side with David for over twenty years,
learned a lot, very interesting and challenging, and I'm very grateful.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I had all those years with David.

Speaker 8 (41:33):
It was a remarkable experience, and we're keeping the mission
keeping his legacy alive so into the next twenty years,
I hope. But it was a great experience.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I had the pleasure of interviewing mister Horowitz on numerous occasions,
and the thing that challenged me as a talk show
host was the demand never stopped talking, and it was
really hard to it was really hard to get another
question in edge waise you were talking to David Horowitz.

Speaker 8 (42:02):
But well, I never had the pleasure of interviewing him,
but we spoke on the phone at least a couple
of times a day, and they were usually kind of
one way conversation.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yes, this is what we need to do.

Speaker 8 (42:12):
And David was incredibly passionate, and he was a force.
And he's left a huge vacuum obviously, but he had
so much that he wanted to teach to us, to
citizens about how dangerous the left is about politics and
life in general. That you know, sometimes you just sit
and kind of listen. David would always get his point
across very forcefully. Sometimes that's how passionate he was about

(42:36):
defending America.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
What has called you? You think to spend your life
working with these nonprofits and these conservative groups you mentioned
the Claremont Institute now president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
What motivates Michael Finch to do what he does?

Speaker 8 (42:51):
Well, No, I've been I've loved the history and America
and politics. I loved it, you know, And unlike David,
I was conservative at per so. I guess someone says,
if you grow when you grow up, you're a liberal
and then you become a conservative, or if you have
a heart or something like that. Maybe I was heartless.
I was a conservative from day one, but I had
a passion for America. And it sounds corny, but you know,

(43:15):
wanting to make a difference. I always wanted to make
a difference. And to be able to do this, I
have to say, Gary, to be able to do this
as a career, I'm incredibly blessed because I've spent pretty
much my whole life in this kind of arena. I'm
over sixty years old, and you know, this is to say,
this is a job to wake up every day and
to do everything I can to help the Center, to

(43:35):
help the different organizations I've worked for, and to be
able to have the freedom to be able to write
and speak and to say, you know, I think David
made a huge difference. Obviously the Larry arn't in that
group at the Claremont and made a huge difference. So
to be able to just play a part in that,
I'm incredibly blessed. So this is my career and I
would feel, you know, I don't know how long you've

(43:57):
been doing radio, but I would probably feel you feel
the same way to say, this is my job is
to kind of talk about these issues and to have
the freedom to say what you want to say, and
people listen, and you have an impact on people's lives
and talk radio and I'd like to think for my
part that I've had an impact and kind of restoring
the greatness of this country from all my years working

(44:20):
for nonprofits.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, twenty eight and a half years doing talk radio
and about forty five in the business being on the air.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
So wonderful. Yeah, thank you for all you do.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Really, And it's funny you say you were born a conservative.
I think I was born with a microphone in front
of my face. And from the time I was seven
years old, I wanted to do this, and I got
the chance at nineteen and I've just never stopped anyway,
Michael Finch, let's talk a little bit about time to
stand and I want to do some compare and contrast

(44:54):
of what these essays illustrate about what America is and
what we have to lose and what we should hold
on to compared to what's going on in this country today.
Let's say, let's say, how, for example, give me a
clear distinction between a zoron Mom, Donnie and what you're

(45:14):
write about in time to stand about what's important.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
Well, first, you know, look, I mean we're you know,
we're We're a great republic. We have freedom, we have liberty,
and that's what makes America unique, aspirational and special. Right,
I mean, America I think stands out. It's a shining
city on the hill. We have you know, the founders
created an incredible government that has survived for a couple
hundred years because.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
We have liberty. Right, we have liberty.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
We have So Mandani is he's first of all, he's
I don't know if he calls uf a socialist or
a communist. I'm not going to even split the difference.
To me, he's a communist and he's a I don't know,
I don't know if he said that he believes in
Shria law. He embraced the nine to eleven Imom who
talked things that make Reverend Right look like a Love

(46:02):
America preacher. So he's kind of in that arm.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
David called it the.

Speaker 8 (46:07):
Unholy alliance of radical Islam and the radical left, and
that is a force that we are fighting across the
board in American around the world. And he kind of
epitomizes both of those. He's certainly, you know, a socialist
slash communist, whatever you want to call it economically, but
he's also he's very He's made some very anti israel comments,

(46:31):
anti Semitic comments, and you know, he embraces a philosophy
that is, I think, the complete opposite of what America represents.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have a right. I mean,
we could argue that if he believes in Shria law,
then how does he take an oath to defend the constitution.
The two are incompatible. But he's got a right to
run for office. And look, I mean, New York may

(46:51):
get what they deserve if they vote for him. Unfortunately,
New York is the financial capital of the country, perhaps
financial capital of the world. So it's very dangerous. I
think there's a huge, huge danger in him becoming mayor.
But the country split. I mean, the radical left has
completely taken over the Democrat Party. We see a lot
of people of his philosophy in the Democrat Party and

(47:13):
that's a danger to the country.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
We just go ahead.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
I'm sorry, Mike.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I don't Michael, I don't see the division that keeps
on being brought up on the media all the time
when I'm out and about maybe it's maybe I'm just
moving in my own little bubble. But among most people,
the term common sense dictates, and most people are still

(47:40):
attuned to living by the the tenets of common sense
when it comes to a lot of these issues. And
I just don't see the division in my day to
day life. And I'm in different groups of people all
the time.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Well, you're right, I mean, if the look, I mean,
Donald Trump won twice, arguably three times. But you know,
we won't get into that conversation the majority of Americans.
And you're in Ohio, which is a red state. But
you know what is California thinking it's got a far
left legislature. Gavin Newsom is actually moderate compared to the
members of the legislature in Sacramento. So New York, I mean,

(48:18):
we know where in New York. Look at the governor
of New York just north of you, the governor of Michigan.
Michigan's had some good governors. I'm originally from Chicago, Illinois,
so Illinois politics. You know, it moved to California to
actually probably get better politics. And it's a little prettier
in the climate's better. But there are parts of the
country that are following. And look at some of the
cities Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago. I mean, these cities are falling apart. Now,

(48:43):
not every city's falling apart, but cities that follow this
ideology are collapsing. I don't get it either. I feel
very strongly that there's a turn in this country. President
Trump was reaching people that had been Democrats for their
whole lives. It's changing, and I think he's had a
huge impact. He certainly has transformed the Republican Party and

(49:03):
he's reaching a lot of the working class Democrats that
are fed up with where the Democrat Party's going. So
I feel pretty good about the restoration. I feel that
America is becoming great again, and that means it's history
and its culture are going to be embraced. So I
feel optimistic about that. But look, this is a very
radical and vocal minority that's had made huge inroads into

(49:25):
parts of the country. So you know, look, Reagan said,
we've got to fight every generation, and the seductive ideology
the left, as David taught us over all these years,
is incredibly seductive, and that's something that we're never going
to be able to say we defeated the left because
that the philosophy of Marxism, socialism, communism is incredibly powerful

(49:48):
and it reaches people in ways that I can't understand
or explain, but it's very powerful and it's there. I mean,
it's a real danger to the country, even though I
think you're right the majority of Americans are with us.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
In a Time to stand. You talk about the critical
importance of restoring the greatness of American culture, and you've
mentioned that, referenced that a couple of times here. What
do you think is at the top of that pyramid
of greatness of American culture that we really really need
to focus on and bring back.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
Michael Well, I think you've kind of combined it with
American history, and we've seen what the left has done
in our education system and just tearing apart of American history.
Now we teach the Howard Zen version of American history,
the sixteen nineteen project America is sexist, racist, that Christopher
Columbus came to the New World simply to completely destroy
the ecosystem and the environment. I mean, on and on

(50:46):
and on, and we have to fight that because conservatives
have seated that ground in the schools unfortunately. And the culture,
it's the painting, it's the writing, it's the poetry, it's
the architecture, it's you know, go to Columbus. The state
capitals in this country built beautiful buildings, most of them
in washing DC. The federal buildings that were built over

(51:07):
one hundred years ago. We have an incredibly beautiful culture.
The landscape paintings of the nineteenth century, it really points
to the aspirational part of American history. Thomas Jefferson wanted
federal buildings and government buildings to have that classical design
from Greece and Rome, because he said, that's what's going
to unite America as a new republic. It's a search

(51:30):
for beauty, and American culture is incredibly beautiful. We had
a golden age of that culture from the mid eighteen
hundreds still about nineteen thirty and since then we've still there.
But we've seen the degradation. We've seen that across the
board with America right especially since the nineteen sixties. But
we need to teach how wonderful in America is because

(51:50):
the culture unites us and binds us. And I was
and I don't want to keep going on on, but
conservatives have done a great job at Hillsdale College and
many of the the kind of think tanks and talking
about the Federalist papers, the Constitution, the Declaration, the Gettysburg Address,
all of that is what politically the political culture that
binds us. But there's another part of the culture. I

(52:12):
think that we need to focus on and educate. Most
of the things that I write about in the book
in terms of American culture are not things I learned
in school, And like said, I'm in my sixties, so
it's not like I went to school last decade. These
are things that I've learned on my own. And I
think it's important for the schools to not just teach
about what's so stained and negative and horrible about American history,

(52:34):
but what's beautiful, and it is beautiful more than just
a political republic and all those wonderful things, we also
have a beautiful culture.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You're talking about the left's attacks on history talking to
Michael Finch, the author of A Time to Stand In,
the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center on the Nightcap. Michael,
you talk about the left's attacks on our history and
culture when the statues started coming down, the monuments, and
you saw even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln monuments and

(53:06):
statues being desecrated or being torn down around the country.
It reminded me of exactly what happened when Isis had
a stronghold in the Middle East and they were taking
down all these antiquities, and it reminded me of what
Mao did in communists China when he tried to erase

(53:28):
all of the proud culture and history that had come
before Mao. And this is what the left does everywhere
it tries to get a foothold, is it not?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Absolutely, I know some conservatives will disagreed with me on this.
But you know, my family, my great great grandfather fought
was Iowa, fought for the Union for.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
The entirety of the Civil War.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
But the Roberty Lee was a great American even before
the Civil War. He was a hero in the Mexican
American War. He was one of the great American in generals,
and that's part of history. You may not like what
he did, you may not like what he represented, fighting
for the state of Virginia, fighting for you know, leading
the charge for the Confederacy, but Roberty Lee is a
very important American in our history. We need to teach

(54:14):
about Robert E. Lee and what he represented, because you
need to learn about all aspects of history. And I
said very pointedly, if you try to take his statue down,
or Stonewall Jackson, or who were Jefferson Davis or whoever else,
they're going to go after Jefferson and Washington. And sure enough,
in twenty twenty they're in the riot, the George Floyd riots.
They even were trying to take down statues of Abraham Lincoln,

(54:34):
of course, is the great emancipator. So you're right, it
never ends. The left wants that in order to create
this great new America utopia, you need to completely destroy
and you, you know, perfectly pointed out what Mao did,
what Stalin and Lennon did. In order to create the
new utopia, you have to eliminate all the history of
the old whatever stands before it, you need to eliminate that.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
So the idea of.

Speaker 8 (54:59):
Just tearing part of American history and tearing down the statues,
it's heart wrenching, it really is. And I'll defend whatever
statues are up, that's part of American history. I don't
think any of these statues should be taken off. You
want to build new statues, that's great, But the old
statues represent our history and it's something you know, whether

(55:19):
it's a proud part of the proud history or part
of the history we need to talk about or learn from.
I think regardless of that, those statues need to stand.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Well, if you act like it never happened, they never existed,
then you don't learn anything exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
And why would we follow the example of Lenin Stalin
And now you know, I don't know, but that's the left.
That's what they represent, and they want to tear down
our history. It didn't start in seventeen seventy six. Supposedly,
it started in sixteen nineteen. And that's that. You know,
you're just going to denigrate and put this huge stain
on what is a wonderful history.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Real quickly, in the last couple of minutes we got left,
Michael Finch, give me example of one essay you're write
in a time to stand that people. Give me a
little tease here in.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
The book, Well, I wrote an essay about American architecture.
Donald Trump in his first term right at the end
of his first term, enacted in executive order saying that
all buildings, federal buildings and new federal buildings needed to
be built in the classical style, at least have some
adhere instead of Greek and Roman classical style. He was
mirroring what Jefferson did a couple hundred years ago. He

(56:28):
immediately was attacked as a Nazi. I guess Hitler liked
the parthonon in classical Everyone loves classical architecture. That's why
it's classical architecture. But he was attacked as a Nazi
and fascist fascist architecture. Joe Biden rescinded that executive order.
I'm hoping he'll come back with it. We have a
president who also attacked the Wocism and the Smithsonian and

(56:49):
these other institutions and museums. We have a president that
understands America's beautiful, that we have a beautiful culture, and
that includes the art and the buildings that represent it.
It's really important that we remember that and defend that
and restore that greatness of American culture.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
A Time to Stand, a new book by Michael Finch,
who was the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center
our guest tonight. I can't thank you enough for your time, Mike.
I can't think of a better way that I could
have filled it. So it's a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (57:24):
No, this was a real honor.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I'm very grateful. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Great day and great success with the book. It's available
now right.

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Yes, it is on Amazon or front pagemag dot com,
which is the Center's website at our bookstore, but you
can go to Amazon or Barnes and Nobles any of
the other websites in order it.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Please continue the great work with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, Michael.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Thanks, will do I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You got it. Joshua Philip from the Epic Times. We'll
be hanging around with us for a little while after
the next news break, and this is the nightcap on
seven hundred WLW. Our next guest this evening is a
senior investigative reporter, coast of host of Crossroads at the

(58:07):
Epoch Times, an award winning journalist, documentary filmmaker. And we're
going to get into some of those a little bit,
even though it's past tense along with what's going on today.
But for the sake of just getting it started. Joshua Philip,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
How are you hey, My pleasure being here, And yeah,
you know, interesting times, but not bad as a journalist,
I guess right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
What's what's the old curse? May you live in interesting times?

Speaker 7 (58:38):
What killed me? We're living what killed.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Me during during COVID and the ensuing riots during the
Summer of Hate in twenty twenty. And I remember being
on the radio and I heard all these ads and
they'd start with during these uncertain times, during these during
these interesting times, during you know, it was like has

(59:05):
any time in the history of mankind been certain about?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
What was?

Speaker 1 (59:09):
That was my first question.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
A good point, good, good point.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And my second question was I'd rather not be so
interesting a lot of the time.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
Well, well, you know, the COVID era and while we
were locked out in our houses because we're afraid of
getting the virus and you were allowed to go protest,
that was quite interesting. I'd say that. I'd say that
was quite interesting because you know, the messaging was, you know,
it's too dangerous to go outside. COVID is going to
kill you, but it won't touch you if you're protesting

(59:42):
and burning down your city.

Speaker 9 (59:43):
So yeah, go figure, right, Yeah, the strip bars were open,
and hey, mom and pop grocery stores are shuttered.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
All of that.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Yeah, well, you know, COVID it was very.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
Selective, you know, as we know, right, sure, sure, and
then we found out as I suspected from the very beginning,
Joshua and I said this on the air at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I was one of the loudest dissenting voices in April
and May of twenty twenty, calling this stuff out as
it was happening right in front of me. I'll tell
your quick story and then we'll get onto the topics.

(01:00:31):
So in April of twenty twenty, when we were told
that we had, you know, fifteen days to stop the spread,
slow the spread or whatever, and they were closing down
businesses as being non essential, and then big box stores
were still essential, but the mom and pops weren't. I

(01:00:51):
got a card in the from the radio station from
two federal agencies I'd never heard of before, telling me
that I had special permission to travel on the interstate
as emergency broadcast personnel through May thirty first, twenty twenty.

(01:01:12):
So when they were saying in March and April, we're
going to take, you know, a week or two weeks
to slow the spread, and then we'll get back to normal.
I knew they were full of it then, because they
just issued me a card that said I was good
till May thirty first, which meant that I could travel
and very few other people were supposed to. My wife

(01:01:32):
and I traveled all the time. So that was just
my personal aside on how real all of that was.
But I was very vocal at the time, and I
still am vocal, although most of the time I've had
to resist the effort or the want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I was right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I was right about all of it. I was right
about mask I was right about the six foot rule,
I was right about you know anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
No, no, you got to remind people sometimes, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
I remember, for me, you know, speaking about my work
in the early days of the virus, I did I
think the first major investigation into the virus origins. You know,
I did a big documentary released within about maybe two
months of the whole thing, and I mean it was
shocking because it was all based on public reporting. We

(01:02:26):
used documentation coming out from China. We used things that
they later deleted. Everybody forgets now but do you remember
they actually released the virus sequence in China, then they
disappeared the researcher who did the virus and then every yeah,
then every Western journal that published the virus sequence deleted it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
If it was a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
Serious pandemic, why in you know, why in anything, why
would you delete evidence on the virus sequence to make
it you can't research it. And so I remember reporting
this stuff, and you know, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm contributing
to the good of the world, and I'm showing probably
where the virus came from. I'm showing information on what,

(01:03:12):
you know, what the virus is based on scientific public reporting.
I got censored, I got attacked, I got I got
just about deplatformed. Facebook sent an alert to every person
who shared my documentary telling telling them they shared false information.
In terms of the person who's fact checked me actually
worked at the Chinese virus they will want into the virology.

(01:03:36):
And the basis of the fact check was they have
very good security, and because they have good security, it's
not possible that a virus outbreak like like this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
It was it was a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Clown world and I was I mean, it's one thing
when you see other people get canceled. When you experience it,
it's because you know it's true or not. When you
experienced it, it's such a surreal thing because you can
see just how they lie. Frankly, it was really bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I was. There was so much of that going on
Joshua at the time in media and anybody in social media,
anybody who was dissenting from the propaganda that was being
put out, mostly by communist China and our government. I
am still surprised that I never was told to lay back.

(01:04:27):
I never was told to stop doing what I was
doing on the air, and they didn't take me off
the air. I don't know if it's because only five
people were listening at the time I was on. I'm
not sure, but I somehow survived that period of cancelation,
and you know, the total isolation of people who just

(01:04:50):
didn't go along with the approved narratives. So yeah, I
feel very fortunate that I worked for people who felt
like free speech was still important. The real story of
January sixth is one of your documentaries.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
Oh yeah, that was another one that was quite quite
the adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
All right, So give me in a reader's digest condensed version.
Nobody knows what those are anymore. The real story of
January sixth, according to the work you did, Joshua Philip
in that documentary back in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
So we did three parts with that. The first part
was and was an investigation into security camera footage to
break down the incidents that day, the timelines, and also
the way that the whole story went down. And basically
the first one we found that the public narrative was fake.
Trump did not call for an insurrection. The real story

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of it was that actually Trump had a scheduled speaking
event at the Capitol Building. They had a platform set up,
scheduled speakers, a permit for it. Trump had author the
deployment of the National Guard, which was at the time
for some reason, they were lying about that Trump authorized
flue of the National Guard.

Speaker 7 (01:06:08):
It was denied.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Notably, it was not accepted. And you know, I think
we'll maybe find out who's responsible for that. But Trump
wanted Trump wanted national guard, Trump wanted riot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Please Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is still saying that Trump
denied the National Guard on January sixth. He's still saying
that when she is the one of the prime players
in making sure that that did not happen.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
Yeah, So the real story was they had all that.
Trump wanted members of Congress to read the evidence of
election fraud, and that was what he was actually going for.
That was what his interest was. And so January sixth
technically derailed that. The people who tore down the barricades,

(01:06:52):
the people who tore down the no trespassing signs, the
people who gained access to the building, and notably they
signaled on the camera to people opened the door, and
they opened the door. They have a huge magnetic door.
You'd need like a like a you'd need like a
missile to blow that thing open.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
They opened the door.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
That all happened while Trump was still speaking at the ellipse.
Those were not the people who are listening Trump speak
who went and did that. That happened as he was
speaking the other side too. No police officers were killed
that day. The whole story about you know, the guy
hit with a fire extinguisher and murdered, it was fake.
Three people died that day. One was Ashley Babbitt, shot

(01:07:33):
in the neck by a police officer as she was
unarmed climbing through a window. The two other people, Roseanne Boyland.
They said she died of a of a like of
a of an overdose she was on like Riddlin. We
have video of her trapped in a tunnel and her
her limp body is being beaten by by one of

(01:07:53):
the Capitol police officers and people and people are trying
to pull their body out from under the crowd. She
was trampled. The other individual died of heart complications. We
have evidence that police are the ones who tear gas themselves, unfortunately,
including a couple of really wild ones who are just
literally grabbing stun grenades off the belts of their officers
and grabbing tear gas you know, launchers out of the

(01:08:16):
hands of officers and just launching the randomly into the crowd.
Police firing down from above at the crowd people, Police
hitting people in the head with their clubs in ways
that are illegal because you can kill people. Just real
flagrant violations of abuse and use of force. And also
the fact that most of the injuries of the police

(01:08:36):
were actually caused by them themselves because they tear gased
themselves and they didn't have the equipment to deal with it.
I mean, I'm not throwing them under the bus because
they were they were thrown into a situation and situation
they shouldn't have been in because they were not given
the resources or the equipment to handle that situation. But
you know, that was the real story. January six was
basically the first one was the narrative you've been told

(01:08:57):
is just plain wrong. And then from their epic times
has actually given access to all their unreleased footage by Congress,
and so we were able to have reporters go in
view the footage. We were one of I think three
news outlets that was actually given this access, and we
were able to request clips, and we published a very

(01:09:19):
in depth feature showing people all this unreleased footage and
key parts of it that basically just debunked a lot
of the big narrative on it. And you know, I'm
not saying that I'm not saying that there were no
incidents of violence against police. There were some people who,
in my opinion, did believe it did belong in jail,
but again, the overall picture and the overall narrative was

(01:09:40):
just utterly fake. And on top of that too, you
also had you also had people being denied exculpatory evidence
to prove their innocence in court, which we had access to,
and they were not even allowed to show the evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
I've talked to many January sixth defendants in the past
couple of years. Josh and Uh, one of the gentlemen
who was in prison in the gulag for like over
three years, was one of the well, was one of
the guys who tried to pull the Capitol police off

(01:10:16):
of Roslin who was being beaten to death in that tunnel.
He tried, he tried to pull them off, and he
got arrested for that and charged with the soul. It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
Well, we had we had a clip. We had a
clip where and you can see it. You can hear
it in the audio. One of the protesters runs.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Into a police officer.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
They go tumbling down, and you know, it looks like
they run into each other the police that you can
hear in the audio. The guy says, Oh, I'm so sorry,
I'm so sorry. Let me let me help you up.
I'm so sorry. Let's get up together, Let's get it together.
When when they showed that video in court, they removed
the audio and video, it looks like you run the

(01:11:00):
police officer and tackles him, but they removed the audio
to to in my opinion, falsify evidence to make it
look like he was attacking the officer and that was
though he was actually painted. And so why why would
you why would you remove part of the evidence. Someone
had to remove the audio to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Why would they do that?

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
And there was just a lot of weird things like
that that that we did uncover during that reporting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
UH, in your latest piece Crossroads Trump, is Trump preparing
for a war against Venezuela and Maduro? What have what
have you found in that reporting?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
So, in my opinion, a lot of the reporting on
Venezuela is uh is media being dishonest. The real story
is this Maduro and Lula. You know Maduro of course
in Venezuela, Lula and Brazil. We're planning to launch a
war against Guyana as of a few months ago, and
so there was a war a doctor start in South America.

(01:12:06):
And the bigger context of that is Guyana, a country
just north of Venezuela. They discovered one of the largest
oil reserves in the entire world a few years ago.
And just being blunt, everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
Wants it, Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
The United States has legitimate legal operations, their eggs on
Is is one of the companies involved in with you know,
oil exploration and working with the government in Guyana. Maduro
claims that he has historical ownership over that part of
Guyana and he was going to annex it, and they were,
They even passed in their in their court a law
that would allow them to do it. So they were,

(01:12:40):
they were, they were preparing for war. As a few
months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
China wants it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
Russia of course wants it, and China has been doing
a lot of black ship operations of trying to avoid
US sanctions in that region. That that's the real story,
I'd say so. Secretary of State Mark Rubia actually went
down there just a few months ago too, and actually,
Warren Maduro, if you try to do this, there will
be consequences. In my opinion, the operations against the cartels

(01:13:09):
and the operations possibly even top of Maduro are part
of that. The other sides of the people that everyone's
leading out though, like the mainstream media, they're like, oh,
Trump's saying without evidence that Maduro is part of the cartels,
the sons, Trump saying Maduro is tied with the trend
de Arragua. Did everybody forget that that was a Biden policy.

(01:13:32):
That was Biden, that was Joe Biden. The Biden administration
declared publicly that Nicholas Maduro is the illegitimate leader, that
the government in exile under Juan Guido is the legitimate
government because Maduro rigged the election in twenty eighteen. That's
Biden policy. This is not even Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
This is Biden pulic.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
And the benefactor of a rigged American election is pointing
fingers at someone else who was the benefactor election. The
irony doesn't escape me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
But yeah, yeah, go figure.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
So that was a Biden policy. And so they're saying
that Trump is saying, without evidence that Badua was the
leader of the trend Aragua. He's not saying that. He's
saying he's a leader of the Cartel of the Sons,
and cartel of the son basically provides the drugs tea
friend day Aragua. The boats they're saying are trendy Aragua.
Then they're saying the boats are fishermen. You ever go

(01:14:29):
fishing without a fishing pole and you paint your boat blue,
so you blend in with the ocean and you don't
have nets, but you're doing commercial fishing. Look, look, you know,
I grew up partly in a fishing community. So my
dad used to on a restaurant called Red's Lobster Doc
in Point Pleasure in Beach, New Jersey, and we had
we had we had a doc. I used to work
the docks my my stepfather, my step grandfather was a

(01:14:55):
monk fisherman, you know, deep sea fishing and lobster fishermen.
My dadd's still in the off season. I grew up
working the docks. I know what fishing boats look like.
I've never seen fishing boat without fishing equipment. Okay, right,
these things don't have nets, they don't they have I've

(01:15:16):
never personally seen a fisherman shove a bunch of fish
into a duffel bag.

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
That's that's new.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
If they're if they're fishing with fishing poles, I mean, okay, fine,
Like I've gone commercial fish, I've gone commercial fishing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Maybe they're josh, maybe maybe they're Venezuelan noodlers.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
They're just think about that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
Maybe they're noodling, you know that, might you might be
onto something. They're Yeah, they're they're they're feeling the Deep
South Deep South vibe. You know, they're just sticking their
hands in the water hoping something bite. You know, maybe
you're onto something. But but you know, the big tailsale
sign aside from the fact that they don't have fishing
nets or fishing poles and they're they're they have a

(01:15:59):
bunch of full bags and barrels, which again, you're not
going to catch enough fish to fill a barrel if
you can see some fish and poles. Anyway, three guys, yet,
come on, they paint their boats blue. They paint the
tops blue. You know, a normal fishermen, you're gonna want
a bright kind of like red or yellow or you know,
something that if you get lost, you can be spotted.

(01:16:20):
The only reason the reason you don't paint your boat
blue is because people can't see you. So the only
reason you do it is so people can't see you.
So why they're painting the boat's blue, The simple answer,
so people don't see them.

Speaker 7 (01:16:31):
The media is.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Being so incredibly disingenuous with its reporting on this. I mean,
maybe I should say it's shocking, but I don't think
it's shocking anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Well, Joshua, I will tell you sadly, we're coming to
the end of our time tonight. But what a wonderful conversation,
what great revelations. And I encourage everyone if you're not
already a subscriber. I am to the Epoch Times. I
get the alerts every day my phone and it's just

(01:17:01):
solid fifty to fifty reporting right down the line, without
any of the male bovine fecal samples that are served
up by a lot of the rest of the mainstream media.
Joshua Philip, thank you so much for your time tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
Hey, pleasure anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Thank you, all right, thank you very much. He's got
more good stuff in the pipeline. Maybe we'll talk again soon,
I hope. So it's the nightcap, and we ain't done yet.
Brian Reisinger from the book Land Rich, Cash Poor on
what China is trying to do and has been somewhat
successful in doing to American farmers, and how President Trump

(01:17:42):
is trying to stop that with the meeting with g
this week and his continued trade dealing with Asia. It's
the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. It is time to
rise and shine even at this time. And I and
I say rise and shine because we have Brian Risinger

(01:18:04):
as in a farmer Rising and shining to talk to
us this half hour. He's the author of land Rich Cash,
for My Family's Hope, and The Untold History of the
Disappearing American Farmer. A fourth generation farmer and comes from
a farm family in Wisconsin. He served as an advisor
top leaders, including Governor Scott Walker there in Wisconsin, US

(01:18:29):
Senator Ron Johnson, currently the sitting senator in Wisconsin, and
US Senator Lamar Alexander my old home state Tennessee, and
other public officials, and he joins US now as an
advisor to the Nightcap. Brian Risinger, welcome back.

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
Hey, it's good to be with you. I appreciate you
having me back on and I appreciate highlight these issues.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah. Number one on our dartboard here has to be
the meeting that President Trump is getting ready to have
with x in China and the meeting with the new
Japanese Prime minister to talk tariffs and to make deals.

(01:19:10):
And they both are heavily focused on the American farmer.
And you know, people talking about the Trump tariffs, you say,
they ignore the reason that they're necessary, and the main
reason is China. So can you elaborate on what deal
and President Trump this weekend said he felt fairly good

(01:19:33):
that the meeting with g would be successful. I hope
it is to the benefit of both countries and to
the benefit of the American farmer. I'm sure you have
your reservations about this because of the way China has
acted in the past and their recent history of buying
American farmland and not buying our goods. So what do

(01:19:57):
you expect out of this latest meeting? Was that the
President is planning on having his on his trip to Asia.

Speaker 7 (01:20:04):
Absolutely well, as you correctly said, this is a big priority.
And you know, President Trump, as he's preparing for this meeting,
is coming in having drawn some hardlines, used tariffs and
other stands to show China that he intends to negotiate
tougher than past years at US presidents. And he's trying
to figure out a way to do that while finding

(01:20:24):
a way to get that market opened back up in
a way that's more fair, because you know the way
that was for decades, it was leading unfair trade practices
that were pushing prices down and screwing with American farmers,
and then China snubbing American farmers. This fall has been
very challenging on the other hand. So President Trump's trying
to make that market more fair and get it back open.
Here's what we need to recognize as we do that,

(01:20:46):
we have to see that this deal will be the
first step in a long term process to end what
I'm calling our China addiction in this country, which is
all the ways that China makes our economy affordable here
in America is something that we have to figure out
a way to deal with and move our way off of,
including for the sake of our family farms, because they've

(01:21:07):
held this hostage in many ways for a couple decades now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
We have a China addiction in this country because of
the cheaper goods that are brought in through the slave
labor that is conducted in that communist country, and through
as you mentioned, unfair trade practices where they're simply blocking
American goods for making their market while flooding ours with
all this cheap stuff that we've become accustomed to. You know,

(01:21:34):
the Walmart generation is mostly there. And this is no
diss on Walmart as a corporation at all, Brian, but
the Walmart generation, which you saw these huge mega box
stores bringing cheap Chinese goods to Middle America over the
past forty to fifty years has really caused a serious

(01:21:56):
hole in the American economy that people don't think about
when they go after that ten dollars shirt at Walmart, do.

Speaker 7 (01:22:02):
They Yeah, that's absolutely right. You know, it's created cheap goods,
but it has also created a dependence that we have
on China where they're able to really jerk our chain.
And you see that on the farm side. In the
case of China has for decades been a huge buyer
of soybeans, corn, other staples that are crucial to our heartland,
the Midwest, all across the Great Plains, all over the place.

(01:22:24):
And the reality situation is they buy so much agricultural
products that they're able to really dictate the terms they
buy them up. They can dump things and push the
price down. They can move the world price and demand,
and that's how farmers have been doing a lot of
business selling to China, but also kind of get been
getting screwed by China, and that's why farmers often support

(01:22:44):
getting tougher, even though a trade dispute can be harmful
if it gets out of hand. So that's why we
need to figure out for the American consumer, the American worker,
and for the American farmer. What's our long term strategy.
How can we get back to a healthy, normal trading
relationship rather than having our biggest graading partner also be
our biggest adversary.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Well, and how how can we keep them from from
buying our farm land which they which I mean President
Trump has gone to great links to stop this, and
local and state leaders have done the same, especially in
red states where they're not just they're just not snapping

(01:23:26):
up all of our farmland and controlling it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
My question, Brian is how do we ever trust the
Chinese since they go back on deals all the time,
and they lie and they cheat. Is there a way
to make this deal China proof from the standpoint of
them not going along with what they say they're going
to do?

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
It is such a good question. It's kind of like
that rag and trust but verify thing that he had
with communist Russia back in the day, right, And I say,
you know, we can deal but not depend. And what
I mean by that is they're a big market. We
can find a way to strike a deal that is
more fair to the American farm and American worker. And
we can do that, you know, hopefully opening that market

(01:24:14):
back up without letting them kind of you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Raid the store.

Speaker 7 (01:24:18):
But we cannot depend on them. And what I mean
by that is we have to diversify our trading base.
There are hundreds of trade companies countries out there, excuse me,
hundreds of countries out there that there are no trade
deals with. And if we are going around the globe
making individual deals with smaller countries where we have more leverage,
they need us to help feed them. We need them
because they have affordable ways to help produce goods in

(01:24:40):
the way that Chinese. But maybe it doesn't have to
have the same human rights abuses and the same trade abuses.
If we make hundreds of deals across the country that diversity.
I know, one deal is going to replace China, but
many many deals across the globe negotiating way, it's more
fair for farmers and workers and consumers here in America.
We don't have to depend on China as much as

(01:25:00):
we do. The problem is we have so many eggs
in one basket to use a farm pun on an
issue that is really pretty serious, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah, no doubt about that. How how is the current
government shut down affecting America's farmers Brian.

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
It's coming at the worst possible time. There's congressional squabbling
in the games that lawmakers are playing around. Different extraneous
political issues from the American farmers standpoint, are causing real problems. Now,
no farmer really wants to depend on the government. Farmers
want to grow something and sell it for a dollar, right,
But the reality is that agriculture and government are intertwined
deeply in this country, and so there are things like

(01:25:39):
farmers need to be able to go to the local
county office to register their crops, things like that. So
that's some of the smaller issues that are kind of inconveniences.
But here's the real reason the government chepman is having
a huge impact right now. President Trump and the administration
have said, hey, we're going to do tariffs, We're going
to negotiate tougher. That sometimes means that our government is
going to take actions that make it harder for armers

(01:26:00):
to selling these other markets because we think it's worthwhile, right,
we think it's worth drawing that hardline. We'll get a
better deal long term, but it might mean some pain
in the short term, that's what the government has said.
In a scenario where that's what the government is saying,
they want to also be able to come forward with
some of that tariff revenue to help support farmers who
are impacted by that. When the government takes an action
that impacts a business, it makes sense that the government
does something to help make sure that that business isn't

(01:26:23):
completely left on whole. So, you know, there's an effort
to move a tariff support package through the Congress, but
the shutdown has halted all that. There's been some funds
that the Trump Innstration is able to release on its own,
but not all. There's billions of dollars being held up
by these congressional gains while meantime farmers are making the
sacrifice during our trade disputes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
I've always wondered what your position is on government farm
subsidies and paying farmers not to grow certain crops or
raise certain a livestock. What's Brian Reisinger's take on those
which many people who are not farmers consider, you know,
government welfare.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Basically, yeah, I'll tell you I don't speak for all farmers,
but I'll say what I what I hear A lot
and what I what I believe to be the issue.
The issue that we have here is that most farmers
I know, they want to they want to again. They
want to grow crops and sell you know, food products
or other products that people want to buy for a dollar. No,
no government, No farmer wants to depend on government in

(01:27:25):
the way that we have many of our farmers doing
in this country. But here's what's happened. The government has
intervened in so many different ways. There are so many
different programs, and they just piled up over the years.
So you can make an argument there's maybe a basic
need around uncontrollable factors like weather. Right, just like when
there's a hurricane or tornado, the government comes in and
helps out communities. You can make an argument for uncontrolled feathers.

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Weather's like, you know, weather and other factors being a
reason to have some sort of government involvement. But we've
piled up programs over the decades. We have hundreds of programs.
We don't know whether they work anymore any our contradictory.
We don't know which means are prone to favorite as.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Going to do.

Speaker 7 (01:28:02):
So here's what happens. It's both true that the American
taxpayer is rightly saying where the heck is my tax
dollars going? And then family farmers saying, hey, where the
heck is that support that was supposed to be there?
A lot of farmers don't want to have to be
depending on that. We just have this massive government bureaucracy
that is, you know, just so ineffective and it's wasting
a lot of dollars along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah, since your your family's from Wisconsin dairy farmers, right, yeah, Okay,
where are we now with Canada and trade on items
like cheese?

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
Yeah? You know, the big thing with Canada and with
America is that we do need the Canadians to understand
that we need to have deals that are more more
fair to America. And part of the reason for this
is Canada has a very different system. You want to
talk about protectionism Canada, that is what they call supply
management system, where they're so protectionists of their dairy that

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they the government literally mandates, you know, how many college
you can have and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
And Bryan, it's called it's called socialism.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
Thank you for speaking with clarity there. I appreciate that.
And it creates a huge imbalance, right, and The Canadians are, though,
you know, traditionally little more friendly than China. They also,
especially during the last trade to be about a decade ago,
they were dumping products too that they knew could push
the prices down. So we need to make sure that
our traditional allies are also dealing with the American farm

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in a fairway as well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
What about American farmers who are trying to keep money
in their pockets and keep from you know, keep the
lights on and whatever, trading out their farm land. They're
good fertile farmland for solar panel fields and wind farms.
I know that there's there's this administration has taken a stab,

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a stab back at all these green energy initial is
so called renewables, which are inefficient, very costly, and eat
up all kinds of land.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
Yeah, you know, I've always said that I think, you know,
individual farmers need to figure out what's right for them.
I've worked on a couple of different types of world
development projects, a wide range of things. Here here's what
I think the issue is. That is a is a
deep way that we can help address whatever kinds of
pressures farmers may have to do with their land. Different things,
the land rich cash poor dilemma. The big problem with

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that landriage cash problem is the cash poor part, meaning
what we need is for farmers to have new entrepreneur
opportunity that make it easier to make a living on
their land. Farmland has always been valuable, always been coveted
for different things, and farmers have always faced those pressures.
But as long as farmers are able to make a
good living, these farm families want to keep their farms

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in their families. They want to keep operating, they want
to keep moving forward. And the issue that we have
is there hasn't been enough entrepreneur opportunity out there to
help farms have good choices with what they want to
be able to do with their land.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, I know that some farmers. The trend I guess
it was about twenty years ago. I remember hearing about
this is that a lot of farmers were taking a
portion of their farmland and they were they had ponds
and stuff, and they were raising shrimp, you know, farm
raised shrimp and stuff like that. You talk about, you know,
diversifying and using this wonderful gift of God, this farmland

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for whatever purpose that will make economic sense for these
farm But I'm sorry, I go by a field and
I see, you know, all of these solar panels, or
I go buy a field and I see these giant
bird killers up in there, and I'm going, man, this
stuff doesn't work. It's not energy efficient. Yeah, maybe it's

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floating a boat for this farmer so he can survive
another day. But is it. How close are we to
the death of the family farm in America?

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Brian?

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
You know, we're unfortunately very close, and there are some
really big factors, you know, economic crises, governmental policies, technological
issues that have been driving it for a long time.
And here's where the math shakes out. We've been losing
family farms at the rate of forty five thousand a
year on average for the past century, forty five thousand
a year. If we continue doing that going forward, Gary, Jeff,
I'm forty years old now. By the time my little

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girl is my age, by the time she's forty, we'll
have lost the rest of our farms in this country
at that rate, we'll have lost them within the next generation.
So we need to make some big changes. There's no question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Well, the farms and farming has been such an integral
part of this country from its very beginning. You know,
we were still obviously in colonial times in Aggregian society.
We had the you know, the industrial age come in
and we had manufacturing and the city's got built. And

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I will tell you from a personal standpoint, Brian, that
when I go back to Iowa, where I was born,
when I talk to my relatives that are still in
Mount Pleasant, Iowa and have been family farmers for at
least as many generations as your family has been involved
there in Wisconsin, when I visit there on occasion, there

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is such a feeling of peace and comfort being out
in that land where people are working the land where
and they're very, very overall, they're very patriotic people. They
love America, they love Americans, they love their fellow Americans.
And many of them, you know, many of them that

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this is a place where you can find lots of
Trump signs. Not that they are not Democrats too, but
I'm just saying it always makes my heart feel good
to be in a community like that, and to think
about this country without those communities really saddens me and

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makes me kind of worried about the future of our nation.

Speaker 7 (01:34:09):
Yeah, And you know, and I appreciate that and I'll
tell you what you know. The way that we're hollowing
out our rural communities, which are small town's oryalmans, were
built by our farm So you when you decimate the
farms this way, you decimate all those communities. And what's
happening is we're houlowing at rural Americans. We're also affecting
every single American dinner table because when you wipe out
forty five thousand farms a year, you make your food
supply chain insecure. That drives up prices. That's one of

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the reasons we see food prices through the roof moving
faster than inflation that we had that was run away
a couple of years ago. It makes the food less healthy.
It affects our security. Right now, we have somewhere around
forty two and a half billion dollar egg trade deficit
between the Biden adminstration term administration, between those two time periods.
I say that because I want people know I'm not
being political. It's forty two and a half billion in

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between those administrations, right and that was a record amount
of food and agg culture proticty, we're importing rather than exports,
so we're importing forty and a half million more dollars
in food than we are exporting. Think about that, We're
wiping out our farms at forty five thousand a year,
our domestic food supply. We're depending more and more in
other countries for our food. That reads like a doomsday novel,

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you know, I mean, we need to do something about that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Brian Reisinger land Rich Cash Poor is the book. I
can't tell you how much I appreciate your time tonight
and the work you're doing on behalf of not only
of American farmers, but American consumers, all the rest of us.
Because this matters. This matters to every single person who

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who eats eggs or you know, enjoys of fresh cob
of corn, or you know, any kind of thing that
comes off the farmland in this country. And it's time
we wake up and make sure that these guys are
are taken care of and they can continue to do

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their fine work, not only for their families, but for
the rest of the country.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
Thank you, Brian, Well, thank you so much. I appreciate
you know. We've got our new paperback additional language, Cash
pour Out, available on Amazon bookstores nationwide. I just appreciate
anybody who spreads the word on these issues, and I
appreciate you shouldn't light on them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
You bet you my pleasure, sir, the wild Man. We'll
finish us off here after the news break seven WLW.
It's your weekly dost from the Goo Factory of one
wild Man Walker on the nightcap. And there's some good,
there's some really bad, and then there's some sublime to

(01:36:44):
talk about, like wild Man's love for Andy Griffith reruns. Today.
You were describing to me today, wild Man. You were
watching a colored a color TV episode of Andy Griffin
and uh and and uh. In the episode, they made

(01:37:04):
Ernest T a school crossing guard? Is that what you?

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Ernest T Beths is a school crossing guard? And he
was throwing rocks and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Well that's why he w that's what That's what Ernest
T does, is he throws rocks. So what why would
why would they make him a school crossing guard if
they know that he has a pensiant for throwing rocks,
not exactly his safety office.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Well it's television television, come on, man, So they were
to make a long story short. He was worn not
to throw rocks, but he said, he said, I wouldn't
throw any rocks, And when Andy walked away, he said,
but you didn't say anything about bricks bricks.

Speaker 7 (01:37:44):
In his bag?

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Do Aw's are and throwing bricks?

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
So we fired.

Speaker 7 (01:37:49):
Him and in the meantime.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Malcolm Meryweather, who appeared in them Raposos, came to town
and Andy gave him the job and Ernest t baths
he got a case of the goo and threat to
beat him up and they were going to a fight
on it. Then he found out that he was really
somehow related to him through the through through his English
heritage or something that was just goofy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Only on television, especially television, especially nineteen sixties television.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
But they were the golden They were the golden times
of sitcoms. Though the sixties.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Well, that Andy Griffiths show has not been off the
air since, you know, for the last fifty something years.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
The staying power of that show is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
The reruns play over and over and over again, sometimes
twenty four hours a day, and that's why you know
every episode and can probably re enact the dialogue from
almost every episode of a Andy Griffiths show within five
seconds of seeing what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Yes, that's crazy, And if he.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Asked me a favorite episode, it'd be I'd be hard pressed.
I really would. I'd be hard pressed to state what
that's my favorite episode because there were so many great ones,
so many great ones.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Now, do you also go in for Green Acres and
Petticoat Junction? And I know you like Goomer piled usmc? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Oh, I love Gooomer pile USMC and I like green
Acres too. I'm not a big Petticoat Junction guy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
I like Green Acres.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
I was just you talking about that would have been
a wacky town to live in because everybody was crazy
except for Oliver Wendell Douglas. You're right, everybody was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
What about Bewitched?

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Nah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
That what's for Witch? When I was younger, I don't
have no desire to watch that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Okay, so you've given up your Bewitched, but you're still
holding onto your Andy Griffith.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
With Hand gun Smoke black and white and color.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Well, gun Smoke ran for over twenty years. Oh yeah,
back in the days when TV series didn't run that long.
You know, Gunsmoke was the frunting episode.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Yes, as it was.

Speaker 7 (01:39:56):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Of course, of course the riflemen. I love the riflemen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Chuck Connor, Chuck Connors, basketball star at UK. Thank you?
Wasn't you a basketball star? UK?

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
No, he didn't play at UK. He was a basketball
he was a basketball Do you like the Celtics?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Oh yeah? You know. It was Dave Cowen's birthday over
the weekend too.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
What a great player.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
He's from right there in Newport, right?

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Can I want how many people drive down?

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
I don't know who that is?

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
You're right, my buddy, you know Dave Cowens is though,
I go, get out of my face.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
That's what that deserves. That's what that deserves, all right,
wild man, Part one here of our conversation. Let's talk
about the good this weekend. And the good was you
see football homecoming Baylor blowout, and plus they welcomed, uh

(01:40:58):
welcome Tony Pike into the UC Athletics Hall of Fame,
which I think is overdue, and Tony was gracious in
accepting that and being a part of that celebration. Overall,
give me your thoughts on UC football this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Well, the Bearcats are now ranked number sixteen in the
Coach's Pole and number seventeen and the ap pole. Of course,
it was their seventh straight win and now they go
face the Utah Utes and that'll be a nationally televised
game on Saturday out in Utah, and Utah just beat
the stuffing out of Colorado. I mean, I know Colorado

(01:41:36):
is not that good, but that was an ugly game
that gives to me like a ten to fifteen of the
Bearcats offense going to this game was going to be
matched up against Baylor's offense. That trouble was that Baylor's
defense was not very good and the Bearcats took advantage
of it. The Bearcats offense, I mean, I mean, I
think was it Brandon Stores mean, I think it's only

(01:41:57):
been sacked twice this year. They've got an offensive line
that maybe the Bengals would like to tap into. If
these guys are devils, will to be trapped at.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
The end of the season. It's amazing looking.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
Everything is looking good here, I know for the UC Bearcats.
Now they've got a tough schedule Gary Jeff the rest
of the way, they gotta play BYU here. Then they
got to play I believe after that then they have
It was an Arizona so their schedule is not it's
not easy gets even Dupper the rest of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Well, I know that you're a you're a Homer, you're
all things Cincinnati you love. But I gotta tell you,
wild Man. The good for me this weekend was another
victory by my Vanderbilt Commodores, which the V is for
victory in Vanderbilt. They are seventh of the year, they're
seven in one, and they're in the top ten for

(01:42:49):
the first time since nineteen forty one. Diego Pavia didn't
have a great game, but it was a defensive struggle
in Nashville, and they outlasted of ranked Missouri team seventeen
to time.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
The last three years.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Yeah, it was an incredible victory. Another one on the March,
and I'm looking at Vanderbilt's record coming up. I mean,
they got to play at Texas, I think, which Texas
ain't all it's cracked up to be. And the only
thing that bothers me about Vanderbilt's winning streak right now,
wild Man is one of them came against then ranked LSU,

(01:43:29):
which just fired boy Brian Kelly this week in an
aftermath of a third straight loss by the LSU tigers.
Are you happy about this? I'm thrilled about it. Brian Kelly,
the man who said he'd never leave, you see, and
then the second Notre Dame kept came calling, he was gone.

(01:43:52):
And then he was at his dream job at Notre
Dame and woof's it's not my dream job. LSU's offering
me all this guaranteed money. Can you believe that man
could walk away with fifty million dollars?

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
I love this country, hey, And now let's let's back
up here about Brian Kelly. Here when he was at UC,
he was thirty four and six. He turned that program
around and he said, and Garry Chef, let's let's keep
the fact straight here. He said when he came here
that Notre Dame was his dream job, and the way
he handled it it was bad. It was bad, and

(01:44:26):
a lot of fans never forgave me. But here's we
go back to the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
You know, if you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
Don't like the way the rules are set up, then
you change the rules. But he took he took that job,
and he had to take the job at that time
because you're going up in the recruiting and you're dealing
with recruiting and if he didn't really take that job
at that time, he could lose out a lot of recruits.
And I know a lot of you see fans are happy,
they're doing the happy dance over. But Brian Kelly getting fired.

(01:44:53):
If he wants to get me playing in the coach somewhere,
I'm sure he'll be hired again. But the walk to
be paid fifty million dollars. Kudos to Brian Kelly for
working forgetting that contract with LSU.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
They look like idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
No, I'm not gonna big grudge him a chance to
take that money. They were stupid enough to sign him
for that amount of money, that guarantee a ten year deal.
And you know there's some alum down in Baton Rouge
that's saying, you know what, we'll we'll help you pay
this off. We need to get rid of this guy.
He's damaged goods and he's not doing the program any favors.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
You know when he was when Brian Kelly was at
Notre Dame, he's all time winning his coach at Notre
Dame and Gary Jeff When Brian Kelly accepted the job
at LSU, you got to remember the nil money started,
you know, showing its ugly face and he had to
deal with a lot of that. So a lot of that.
They got hurt by that because they lost a lot,
a lot of a number of good players. So it's

(01:45:50):
not all just you know, Brian Kelly being a lousy
coach because he had a winning record there.

Speaker 7 (01:45:55):
But you know, you got to have the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Horses, and I mean, you don't have the horses, and
they're going somewhere else. And the SEC is the best
conference in football. Hey, they take their football series at LSU. Now,
the rumor is running rampant at Penn State might be
interested that Brian Kelly. I wouldn't surprise me if he
went there. Brian might take a year off too, I
mean that's his choice.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Well, the former Penn State coach James Franklin, who came
from Vanderbilt, uh, found out that the grass is not
always greener when you go somewhere for more bucks. And uh,
you know, I just hope this this coach at Vandy
Clark Lee hangs around a while and they can continue
to build off this recent football success they've had the

(01:46:38):
last two years. Uh. Even though this looks like it's
finally Diego Povey's last year after six.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Crazy Kyli Branton soaresman, you know, to go back to
about you know, the grace is not always greener. That's
why I was glad that Indiana, you know, you know,
jumped up the chance and extended the contract of dirt
coach there. I mean, he's there forever now, he's not
going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
Well and after this season, can you blame them? No,
the Hoosiers are hot.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
You gotta love it, Ohio state number one and the
end of number two. But unfortunately they don't play each
other during the regular season.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
No, no, but there is that in they're a Big
ten championship game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Sir, yes, sir, there is all right, Uh, we've done that.
Let's let's get to the bad wild man. Let's get
to a blowing, blowing a fifteen point lead in the
fourth quarter. Let's get to giving the game away. They
were giving White Bengals caps away at yesterday's game to

(01:47:43):
the first How many of one thousand fans showed up?
But they didn't tell the fans that they were going
to give the game away? How did this happen? Break
it down?

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Oh, very easy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
The defense, the defense, Jeff we knew We knew going
into this season that the Bengals did not have a
very good defense. We all knew that, but we didn't
think it would be this bad in certain games. And
yesterday they couldn't tackle. It was just had no pass rush.
It's just it's bad. And then I hear Zach Taylor saying, well,

(01:48:19):
it's unacceptable and people have to be accountable. We have
to stand up. Well, let's start with Zach Taylor, because
when it came down to crunch time, Gary, Jeff, Zach
Taylor blew it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you why.
At halftime on CBS, Bill Cowerd, who knows a little
something about football, he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring,
said the Benker should come out and run the ball

(01:48:39):
because they were running the ball down the throats.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Okay of the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Yeah, p Ryan p Right and Brown. P Right and
Brown were both just chewing up ground in the first
half of the Jets and you know what did they do.
They they came out with just really ridiculous pass plays.
Joe Flacco couldn't get any protection in the second half
from his offensive that he got in the first half,

(01:49:06):
and he couldn't connect with with Higgins or Chase because
they stopped running the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
The Bengals were up by I believe it was thirty
eight thirty one, seven minutes left. The Bengals got the ball.
They they you know, here, you got seven minutes left,
you milk the clock, run the football, run the foot.
They didn't. They didn't do one running play twenty seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
They took off the.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
Clock forty seconds. Forty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Yeah, that's not good. They're not good clock management at all.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Terrible clock management. I used to think that Marvin Lewis
was bad out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
Zach Taylor is pathetic good clock management too, and that
cost the Bengals. That got cost the Bengals big time.
Now defensively they stink. I don't know how they're going.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
To fix it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
They've got you know, they keep drafting these young guys.
They really didn't go out the free agency and sign anybody.
They've got a major problem there defensively. But Zach Taylor
on that situation, that comes down to coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
And he blew it. He blew it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
And of course the next last series they got they
had three timeouts. They had three timeouts. Scared chef and
tailor didn't even bother burning one. So they come up
with a play to get a first down, didn't even
burn any one of the timeouts. And of course Yosi
Vash Andre Yosi Vash should not play this next Sunday.

(01:50:25):
He should sit on the bench because he's had a
case of the drops all year long, a case of
the drops, major case of the drops. Targeted three times,
no catches.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I mean, was good when he was targeted yesterday, and
he's been a little bit of an issue in the
offense prior to that. Tanner Hudson was good. You know,
Chase and Higgins are chasing Higgins, They're gonna be double
covered in many cases, and they often were. But you know,

(01:50:55):
last week when we talked after the Bengals victory over
the Steelers, wild Man and we were talking about that,
and I said, well, that's the way the Bengals won,
the way everybody expected them to win games. If they
were going to win games and high scoring affairs, just
by outscoring the other opponent because their defense obviously is lacking.

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And this was another example of this. You're gonna have
to outscore your opponent, and that means that your coach
is going to have to be cognizant of what is
required in making halftime adjustments and yes, clock management, which
I thought Aaron Glynn did a great job of down
the stretch yesterday with the Jacks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Hey sure did?

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
I mean, when you score thirty eight points and a
football game, you should win it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
You should win that game.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
And they're playing the Bears this Sunday, the Bears. The
Bengals could very well loose to the Bears. I really could,
and I know so much for that. We were all thinking, oh,
you know, going into the bye week, we could have
three straight wins, have some of some momentum. Well that's
going by the wayside. But yet here guy, I'm gonna
tell you this. Right now, there's talking heads on TV

(01:52:09):
and radio that have already gone out and said, well,
Biggles are still close to you know, in the division
because the Steelers lost too.

Speaker 10 (01:52:17):
Will you stop that crap? Stop it. It's about winning
football games. It's not backing in, you know, like the
Reds did in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
It's not. It is not hoping the other teams in
your division suck so that you can come out on
top of the teams that suck. In the NFL, it's
about winning football games. It is about clock management, and
it is about and tackling. I'm sorry. Tackling in the
NFL should never be an option for the defense. It

(01:52:50):
should be a requirement. And we see it week after
week after week.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Wild Man, it'd be the angle.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Suggest it be an outrun by on the angle on
angle plays and they run and just trying to one.

Speaker 7 (01:53:02):
Arm tackle these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
Oh man, that's and I'm just I'm just gonna harp
on the run on the running game yesterdays. The last
three games, Grey Jeff have run the ball very effectively.
The old line has done a great job and even
protected Joe Flacco. I think he got sacked twice yesterday,
maybe maybe once, but the old line has done a
really good job of opening up holes. And anybody could
see that. Anybody could see that yesterday. And for Zach

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Taylor to go away from that, what's that tell you?
What's it telling you that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
You know that the Jets, the Jets front four was
parted like the Red Sea in a couple of plays
yes in the first half, and they completely went away
from what was working. And then and then and.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
The on the that's on the goat that's not the
head coach. That's on the head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
And and in the end, uh, nothing was working.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
And the press conference was Zach Taylor. Nobody brought that
up at all with the being up by seven seven
seven points or seven minutes left and up by seven
by not running the ball, you know, throw throwing a pass.
I'm not forging what they got sacked or what happened.
Nobody but Joe Daniman last night on Fox nineteen brought
up and brought up and said, this was the difference

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in the game. This is why they lost in the
end with a play call and they didn't run the football.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Wild man, are times done? I hope you got the
goo out?

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Well I got to go out.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
But I'll tell you somebody said, really the major case
of the goo. I got one more major case of
the goo real quick. The ass had, whoever the ass
had was that broke your phone on Marty Brunhaman's statue,
hopefully find them and break his hand. And Richard Petty,
you talk about a guy that has the case of
the goo. He has called that NASCAR for their stupid
grating system and standing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
He really got the ass.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
And when Richard petty speaks NASCAR. Better start listening.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Well when you speak. Hopefully somebody's still listening wild Man,
thank you by who they are. I gotta go but bye.