11-11-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker

11-11-25 Nightcap

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come on in, Come on in, there's a room for everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to the Nightcap after Bearcat basketball. Last night we
followed the Xavier Musketeers being drubbed at home by Santa Clara,
and tonight, of course, the Bearcats facing off against d
It's great to be back with you, Gary Jeff Walker.
On this Veterans Day, we're at the eleventh hour of

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this eleventh day of the eleventh month. Donald Trump, President,
Donald Trump, our commander in chief, did what commanders in
chief do on Veterans Day, laying a wreath at the
Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery with the
pomp and circumstance well deserved for our veterans and those
who have given their all and served our great country.

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Tonight on the show, we actually have veterans with us,
including Tom Caldwell. If you don't know the name, Tom
Holwell was a Navy intelligence officer who was wrongly accused
and imprisoned for being a member of the Oathkeepers and

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by causing wreaking havoc and writing on January sixth. He
wasn't at January sixth, but the FBI rounded him up. Anyway,
Tom has a new book out. We will tell part
of his story tonight on Veteran's Day. We have Joshua Philip,
who's a reporter for the Epoch Times, which is one

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of the most balanced and sourced news sources anywhere in
the country. And when I say balanced, I mean there
is absolutely zero bias whatsoever. Of course of mainstream media
would say they're biased towards the right side of the ledger.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
But Joshua Philippin on the day's news, which includes a
Senate going along with opening up the government, and we'll
see what the House does. And Joshua Philip always has
a couple of stories on the front burner and he'll
be discussing some of those tonight. What about those things
in the sky that the government denies, that the government

(02:15):
hides UAPs or what we used to call UFOs. Kent
Hagan Lively has a brand new book about a brand
new government cover up, actually not a new government cover up,
easy for me to say, but one that he says
has been going on for years and many of us
have suspected. So Adam Hardage on the weaponization of our

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justice system, particularly against conservatives, and Donald Trump will be visiting.
We will revisit a conversation and won't have a new one,
but it's a revisitation of this guest, Vicky Lessandro, who
is the head of VCAS here in Cincinnati and VCAS,
if you didn't hear our previous conversations, we were here

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when they rolled out the service in Cincinnati and they
are just getting underway, and their issue is helping veterans,
perfect for Veterans Day and first responders, those who have
served who may have PTSD or certain anxiety issues, and

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many of our veterans, sadly as we know, do suffer
from these maladies. What VCAS does is pair them with
a companion animal dogs and sets them up for their
first year. That I mean, they take care of literally
everything impairing a veteran with the perfect dog to help
them readjust and get back into the swing of things

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in society. And also, Trans Siberian Orchestra is coming to
town the Heritage Bank Center this Saturday for two big shows,
one at two, one at seven. We have the drummer
from the Trans Siberian Orchestra original member Jeff Plate, and
we'll discuss what you can see and what you will
hear if you attend to either one of these shows,

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tickets are still on sale, I understand for both of them,
which in and of itself is kind of miraculous because
usually TSO sells out here during the holiday season almost
every single year. And Andy Furman the fur Ball to
talk little sports or whatever is on his crazy mind
before we're done at midnight tonight, so I hope you'll

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stick around for that. We'll have Adam Hardinge coming up
next on the nightcap after basketball on seven hundred WLW,
the most comprehensive exhibition ever presented on Auschwitz.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
It is so powerful, it's something that needs to be
told to.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
To the first official hour of this nightcap on Veterans
Day a seven hundred WLW and Garry jeff our first
guest in this half hour. It definitely relates to Veterans
appropriate and it's a follow up conversation that we had
a couple of months ago with Vicky Lossandro from the VCAS,

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and we.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Welcome her back into the fold now.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It is wonderful once again to speak to Vicky Lossandro,
who is the head. She is the head cheese man,
She's the main girl at VCAS. Here in Cincinnati, and
it's been a while since we first talked when they
were just launching this incredible service for veterans. But it's
Veterans Week and I want to do a check back

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in and see how the local chapter of the Veterans
Companion Animal Service did.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I get it right?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, it was doing first and foremost happy Veterans Week.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
How's it going? You said you've been real busy, right.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Vicky, We've We've been very busy. I just want to
take an opportunity to thank all the veterans for their
service and their families for their sacrifices too, and we've
just we're very honored to be working with this group
of people who've given so much, and we feel like

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we can give something back to them, to a Companion animal.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Explain for people who did not hear the first couple
of times when we spoke what it is.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Vc a S does just a nuts.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah. We basically rescue dogs from shelters and pair them
with veterans who are who are struggling with PTSD anxiety depression, loneliness,
and we we provide them with a companion animal. Have
found that animals can really just change your basically your

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whole outlook on life. You know, we've we've seen veterans
who really.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Come back.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
From from being.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
In service and struggling and kind of being at the
lowest point in their life sometimes and they get an
animal and it gives them a whole new purpose. So
we are proud to be able to do that for
our service service and veterans.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, and and uh, you also have have done some
things with first responders as well, right, VICKI, No.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Right now, we strictly are just not yet. We're strictly
just working with veterans.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
So it's a two pronged rescue because you are rescuing
these shelter dogs, uh and finding them homes and uh
then explain explain the process how it works so people
understand what what you do.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, we well, we've been doing some community outreach. We
go to the VA once a month and when the veteran.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Here's about our services.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
They sign up and let us so they're interested in
the dog.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
We go through a series of steps, they fill.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Out an application, they let us know what kind of dog.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
So we're very.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
You know, we work really closely with the veterans who
make sure that we're getting the kind of animal that
they want, not just a dog, but if they need
a really active dog or a lap dog, what size
dog they want, what you know, uh, long hair, short hair, whatever.
So we then we were working with four agencies we

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have signed on right now for rescues to find that
just that right dog. The dog goes into foster care
for two to four weeks to decompress from the shelter situation,
and once the veteran meets that dog and says that's
my dog, we adopt. We pay all the fees, We

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give them the everything they need for the first year, betting, leashes,
dog bowls, We pay all the veterinary care for the
first year. Yeah, so we basically cover so there's no
cost at all to the veterans for that first year,
just to make that transition easier for them and the dog.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
How many dogs have you been able to play so far?
Have you been able to place any dogs with veterans yet?

Speaker 4 (09:45):
VICKI, we were really close on one and it kind
of fell through, and we're getting very close on the
second one.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Here.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's kind of a long process and it's something that
like I said, where is concerned about the dog getting
in the right house if we are about the veteran
getting the correct dog for them. Sure, So it's a
process that you know, they may think that that's the
right dog and do a meet and greet with the
dog and say that's that's not going to work, or

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we're just not bonding and we will start over with
that veteran.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Then all right, Uh, you've got a fundraiser that you
wanted to tell folks about. Tell me about this fundraiser.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yes, because we have a lot of costs involved with
every dog that you know, for that whole first year recovering.
We have an online auction going on right now.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
You can get to it through the.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
V cost Facebook page or through v Costs charity dot org,
which is our web page, and we have about thirty
five really.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Nice baskets and bundles.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
We have a signed guitar by David Lee Rotha Van
Hallen go. Yeah, so anybody who's a Van Halen fan,
you need this. We've we've also done a calendar, just
finished it up with some dogs of people we know,
and we've got a veteran in there with our dog

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and that's also a fundraiser. For us just to raise
those funds, cover those costs, and get as many dogs
as we can into those homes.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, if you're covering the costs pretty much for any
veteran for for one full year, that is not a
lighthearted undertaking that. That is a lot of expense and
you need you need the backup. So how can people
once again get involved with VC as I just thought
it was the most wonderful thing in the world for

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veterans and for the dogs. And if people want to donate,
if people want to participate in the fundraiser again, how
do they do that?

Speaker 4 (11:57):
They can go onto our website which is Veterans Oh
my gosh, I'm totally blanking out, which is VCAST charity
dot org.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Or they can go to Facebook.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
There is a Veterans Companion Animal Services Facebook page. There's
a link in there on that auction site. They can
order calendars on the auction site if they're interested in
getting a calendar. We're always in need of foster families,
So if anybody's interested in when when we find that

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dog and we pull it out of a shelter, we're
looking for foster families that will foster for two to
four weeks and you know we'll always kick donations. So
there's there's so many ways that really that you can
help us make this this possible for our veterans.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And it's VCAS or vodcast uh charity dot org. Yes, yes, okay, fantastic,
Vicky Lessandro. I wish you great success, especially on Veterans Week.
Let's get some dogs with some veterans and make both
of their lives more whole.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's a fantastic charity. I love it.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
We like to say we rescue dogs to rescue vats.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Thank you, Vic, all right, all right, thank you, and
thank you so much for your support.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Take care, Ben, all right, we'll roll along here in
just a moment on a on a Veterans Week. Just
concluding sounds hauntingly familiar, doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
And then there's this, the rock and fused orchestral strains
of the Trans Siberian Orchestra and their classic Christmas Eve
Sarajevo joining us to talk about the TSO and their

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upcoming appearance this coming Saturday night at the Heritage Bank Center.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Ghosts of Christmas Eve, the best of TSO and more
is original member of the Trans Siberian Orchestra and their drummer,
the Man on the Skins Jeff Plate. Jeff, good evening,
Welcome to the Nightcap. How are you, sir.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I'm doing good Gary, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's I mean that music just always gives me chills
when you guys, when you guys get into that, just
when you start hitting those drums, man and the guitars
kick in, it's just mind blowing. And with the light
show and everything else that is a Trans Siberian Orchestras,
I think it's a can't miss holiday thing to do

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this time of year, especially if you've never been. I've
been to one show and it was like nothing I'd
ever seen or heard. You were there at the very start.
Tell me how that all got together in the beginning.

Speaker 9 (15:30):
Jeff, Well, this is all the vision of one mister
Paul O'Neal, the late Great Paul O'Neal. I began working
for Paul in nineteen ninety four in a band called Sabotage,
which was a progressive hard rock metal band out of Tampa, Florida.
But Paul began working with these with this band in

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nineteen eighty six, John Oliva and Chris Leva founding members
of the group became Paul's partners sort of speak, and
when I came into the band the second year out there,
we did the first studio album that I was a
part of, called Dead Winter Dead. Paul's writing always involved
a story. You know, he loved characters. He's a New

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York City guy. He loved theater and Broadway and all this,
and he was always kind of incorporating this sense into
music that he was writing. And the album that we
did in nineteen ninety five was called Dead Winter Dead.
It was a concept story around the war that was
going on in Bosni at the time, something that Paul

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was very concerned about.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
And very well read upon.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
He was a very.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
Worldly man, very intelligent, but in this story, he had
this idea for this instrumental Christmas song that they would
fit nicely into this album. And honestly, at the time,
I was the new guy in the band, so I
was just really just listening and watching, but there was
a lot of questions as to whether this song should

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be on this album, and Lo and behold, that album
was released in late August or late fall. I guess
met right before Winner in nineteen ninety five, but that
song Christmas Eve Cerebral twelve twenty four, took off in
a completely different direction, became a holiday hit instantly, was
being played on all radio formats across the country.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
And this was this.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
Was the vehicle for Paul to create the Transsegury Orchestra,
something he had been dreaming of doing for years, and
this song gave him the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
And this is you know, thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
You guys will be performing that and Christmas Cannon and
This Christmas Day, among others as far as you know
fan enduring fan favorites. But there's some new material I
would I would imagine as well.

Speaker 9 (17:51):
Yes, every year we have a story segment of our show,
which is the first part of our show. This year
we are doing the Ghosts of Christmas Eve, and this
stories based on the movie we've recorded back in nineteen
ninety nine. We've done this story several times before. It's
a huge hit with the fans and the band loves
performing it. But we always bring out some music that

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we either have not done it in a while or
that we've never done, and this year is no exception.
We are also celebrating the twenty fifth anniversary of Beethoven's
Last Night, which was the first, yeah, the first non
holiday CD album that Paul O'Neil wrote and recorded for
the transliber And Orchestra. So so within this medal of the songs,

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there's going to be some music that we've never done
on the Winter Tour before. So this is something really
special for us and this will be great for the fans.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
And next year, Beethoven's Last Night for that twenty fifth
anniversary is going to be released on vinyl for the
very first time.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I'm one of the few people around I know that
still has a turntable.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
So I just got a new my birthday this year.
So all the old vinyl that I that I gathered
over the years when I was younger, it's great to
put it back on there and revisit those those albums.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, I'm collecting new material because I lost some and
moves and at least one divorce. You guys are bringing
back a fan tradition on this tour.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
The signing line tell me about, tell me.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
About what that is for people who don't know and
they want to get up close and personal and have
a memento from the show.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Sure, so after the show, after the.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Evening show, there will be an area in the arena
where where we have tables set up and you know,
it's very well organized. So anybody that would like to
come to the line, say hello, get an item signed,
you know, please do. We've been doing this ever since
nineteen ninety nine. It was a great way for us

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to connect with the audience, just just that that brief
moment where you're face to face, get a chance to
say hello. You know, the fans actually love that, and
this is this is how we've built such a dedicated
following over the years. And and then obviously in twenty
twenty when COVID came along, that just sidelined everything. But
this year we thought, you know what, I think we're

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I think we're in a good place with all of
this now, so let's bring it back. It's going to
be good to see some familiar faces and meet some
new people along the way.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And as TSO has always done in the past, you
guys will be donating at least a buck from every
ticket sold to local charities. More than twenty million dollars
had gone out to worthy charities throughout North America, in
the run of TSO's incredible career on stage. Again, I

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want to just remind people these shows are coming up
this Saturday at Heritage Bank Arena and they're on sale.
You can get them at Trans Siberian Orchestra the website, right,
is that correct?

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (21:05):
Yeah, trans Dash Siberian dot Com is the best place
to go.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
All right, fantastic And I'm looking through the schedule. Are
there two shows or one Saturday?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Jeff?

Speaker 9 (21:17):
There are two shows on Saturday, one at two thirty
and one at seven thirty.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay, fantastic and still tickets available. I know in years
past you guys have sold out, you know, months in advance,
so this is an unusual opportunity to get a seat
to see the most incredible holiday show visually and orally
you can find anywhere. And I can say that from

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experience since I have been to one of your shows.
You guys do what nobody else does, and I just
know it's going to be fantastic. Hey, listen, thanks so
much for taking time to talk to us tonight, and
we look forward to seeing you guys on Saturday at
Heritage Bank Center.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Trans Dash Siberian dot Com Is that right?

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Yes? That's correct, all right.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Jeff Plate, the drummer and original member of TSO, with
us on the nightcap. Thank you, sir. We continue with
plenty more ahead here on seven hundred WLW. As we
continue this nightcap on seven hundred WLW, joining us now
a return guest, somebody that I didn't make mad enough
that they won't come on the program again. This is

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this is wonderful news for me because I enjoy great
content and this guy certainly has a lot to say,
and he does so in documentary form and as a
reporter for the Epoch Times, which is one of the
most incredible you want to talk about a fair and
balanced news source. Man, they get it right before it

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goes online. He has a brand new documentary coming out
next week on the nineteenth, so that'd be eight days
from tonight, called Truth under Fire, The Real Story of
Charlie Kirk. His last documentary had over seventy five million views.
And without further redo, Joshua Philip, Hello, and welcome back

(23:13):
to the program.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
How are you hey?

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Always a pleasure being here, It's real pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So in any comments on the news of the last
twenty four hours, where the pointless shut down. It looks
like it's creeping to an end. Finally, any thing that
you've seen in your reporting on.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Well, well, you know, okay, So the question, there's a
couple questions swirling right now. Did the Democrats only want
it shut down for the elections we just passed, because
there are some arguments around that. Some are saying they
wanted it shut down so that Mom Damie could win
because that drove a lot of his the people who

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lost their food stamps, drove them out to the polls
and it just so happened, deprise a lot of that
Christy's promising. So there have been allegations that because right after,
you know, Democrats kind of swept the elections and it
turned out the shutdown was one of the big motivators
for what was historical voter turnout. You know, then he
had a handful and saying hey, reopen the government. You

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did have enough Democrats, which you know, switch votes to
get it past the growth filibuster. So I we'll see.
Now it's still going to take a bit.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, well, I mean yes, the party that's in power
always gets the blame anytime something like that happens, or
the credit anytime something good happens, which is rare, and
so I understand that from a messaging standpoint, But to me,
I don't think the Democrats messaging was better than President

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Trump or the Republicans.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
I think I don't think it was either. I don't
think it was either.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And I don't think that most people blame President Trump
for the shutdown or Mike Johnson Johnstown.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
So here's how I took it. The voters who just
voted in Mondami in New York, they're not technically Democrats. No,
they're not Republicans, they're not Democrats, they're actually democratic socialists.
And so when they went out and voted, I think
they were voting both against the Republican Party and the
Democrat Party. You know, Clomo was technically the Democrat for runner,

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but he was running as an independent. They were voting
against the Democrats. And this is part of kind of
an uprising within their own ranks, is what I think happened.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, Joshua, how much do you think the Democrat Party
is in disarray? I don't think it truly exists anymore.
This is a what you want to call it democrats socialist.
It's really a Marxist movement within the Democrat Party, and
that's where it's all heading. And it's pretty obvious for

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anybody who's looking at it even objectively to say, no, this,
this is the Bolsheviks have moved in totally to the
Democrat Party and are taking it over.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Would that be your assessment?

Speaker 6 (26:12):
That is accurate? And it's not even just uh not
even just a claim. So the Democratic Socialist America are
part of a broader network. You have groups like Freedom
Road Socialists, you have groups like like the Rainbow Coalition.
They're communists, they have actual communism monement and I know
I was there, Josh, Well, communism and socialism is different.

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These are these are democratic socialists, not you know whatever.
Communism when practiced in government is socialism, Yes it is.
The Soviet Union was a socialist party, you know, I
mean the Chinese Communist Party. They practiced states, so they
practice what they call state capitalism a socialism. Technically communism

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would be in the of a state, so you could
argue it's not real communism. But but when you put
communism into practice, it the form it takes is socialism.
And so there's actually not a difference. It just these
days where we try to draw it. In fact, actually,
prior to World War Two, socialism communism were used interchangeably.
There was no difference in the terms. We just think

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they're different these days.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
But yeah, I think it's as close to Marxism as
anything else. To be honest with you, Josh as I
mentioned your last documentary, What was your last documentary? It
had over seventy five million views?

Speaker 7 (27:37):
Oh, man, I've done.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
A few, so I did. Of course. The real story
of January sixth huge, huge to me. A lot of
what we're reported is only now finally coming out. I
went and investigated the origins of COVID nineteen, tracing it
to China and the Wuhan institu of Virology that got
I think that probably got about seventy five I think
we got one hundred fifty million total globally.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
But but the new one is new One's coming out
next Wednesday on the nineteenth.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Uh and uh, Truth Underfire, the real story of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
What can you tell me?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
What can you tell us about what people can expect
to see or or give us a little a little
hint at what will be revealed in the in the
documentary The Newest.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
One yeah, so this documentary, so I actually said the
name wrong. It's it's the real it's truth under fire,
the framing of Charlie Kirk. But but I said it wrong.
It was my fault. But it's going to be free
on the on Epic TV, e t o h TV

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dot com and or the Epic Times website. But the
idea is, I wanted to go into how the media
framed the narratives on Charlie led to the assassination. And
I know, I know there's a whole debate around Charlie
right now. In my opinion, the current interpretation of them
will establish his legacy, and so I wanted to explore

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his legacy, how he was maligned, how his story was twisted,
but also show how the hit piece machine works, how
there is a system in place that labels people and
then motivates people to hate them, which then leads to
actual physical violence. Because this is a broad story, there
are people being debanked, there are people being labeled, there

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are people being put on no fly lists. There are
Americans where like you have you Southern Poverty Law Center
literally doing training for federal law enforcement and defining people
as fascists because they just opposed, like you know, this
whole socialist worldview. So I expose that machine, the machine

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of the hip piece, and how it works in this documentary.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
The Framing of Charlie Kirk, available on November nineteenth. Joshua Philip,
hey man, listen, It's always good to talk to you,
and especially with just the craziness, the continuing crazy they
call it a continuing resolution, the continuing craziness in Washington,
d C. Caused mainly in my view by a party

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that is in total disarray itself, the Democrats or the
Socialists or the communists, whatever they are. I hope we'll
have another chance to talk soon, josh Thanks for your time.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Tonight be my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, thank you, all right, Joshua Philipp from the Epic Times,
and again I highly recommend the Epic Times if you
want the real scoop on what's going on around the country. Well,
the Nightcap rolls on up next kent Heck and Lively

(30:52):
on government cover ups of what's up in the sky.
As we roll on in this night we have on
Veterans Day evening on seven hundred, wlwas promised our next
guest is standing by kent Heck and Lively is a
New York Times bestselling author, attorney, science teacher, and now

(31:14):
he's exposing deep state cover ups in the explosive new
book Catastrophic Disclosure, The Deep State, Aliens and the Truth.
It will be out next Tuesday, on the eighteenth, and
we're talking about it now. And this coming on the
heels of some pretty shocking congressional hearing that happened in September,

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where to that point, never before seen video showed a
hellfire missile bouncing off of a UFO off of Yemen's
coast back in late October of twenty twenty four, and
military whistleblowers testifying about retaliation for reporting encounters with UFOs, UAPs,
whatever you want to call him. Again, this book, we'll

(32:01):
expose some government cover ups. Why are they're covering it up?
What is being covered up? And all of that yet
to be fully answered. But Kent, great to have you
on this show. Welcome, How are you?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
So Number one, have you always had an interest in
this particular subject?

Speaker 10 (32:23):
I have, you know, I think like most of the public,
I always have, but I always say it's been a
recreational interest.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, this is my twentieth book.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
I've never done anything on the wild side like this,
anything paranormal, So I mean, I usually stick to science.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I usually stick to technology media, but.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
Like a lot of the public, in the summer of
twenty twenty three, when David Grush appeared in front of
Congress and said some rather remarkable things, along with some
other military people David Fraber, Ryan Gray, I said to myself,
what is going on?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Because I know what.

Speaker 10 (33:03):
It takes to testify in front of Congress. You are
thoroughly vetted before you appear in front of Congress, so
these were legitimate people. They were making claims that sounded wild.
But I thought I needed to get to the bottom
of this story. And I was really fortunate that one
of my good friends is Michael Mazzola, who's probably the

(33:26):
world's leading UFO documentary filmmaker. So I called him up
and I said, Michael, what is going on with this story?
And he said, Ken, I'm really glad you asked me
about that, because we're hearing behind the scenes that while
the military and intelligence services want to do a controlled.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Disclosure about UFOs.

Speaker 10 (33:50):
They're worried about something called catastrophic disclosure.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
And I thought well, you know, I'm trained as an attorney.

Speaker 10 (33:58):
So you know, you go to court, you raise your
right hand, you say, I swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But the truth. And why is this subject different?

Speaker 10 (34:10):
And he said, there's a lot that's happened behind the
scenes that they don't want to disclose.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
And I thought, well, you know.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
I've always got a nose for a good story, and
I thought, well, let me investigate, Congress, let me talk
to the leading experts in the field, people like doctor
Stephen Greer, people like Danny Sheehan, people like independent journalist
Michael Schollenberger, and let me create a new story, a

(34:38):
reinterpretation of the UFO story in light of this new
information we've been learning.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, we've been fascinated with this, or many of us,
for almost eighty years, going back to Roswell in nineteen
forty seven and the initial claim that the army that
a flying saucer had crashed out in the desert, and
then it was a weather balloon, and then there were
all kinds of stories that were either made up or

(35:09):
suppressed ever since. I mean, that kind of began the
nation's fascination with this that still exists to this day.
And while the news about UFOs or UAPs, whatever you
want to call them, has not dominated the news headlines

(35:31):
like it did in other eras, it's starting to again.
And it all came to light in this congressional hearing
back in September of this year, right.

Speaker 10 (35:42):
Yeah, And so you know, one of the people who
I really got to know very well in the writing
of Catastrophic Disclosure is Congressman Eric Berlison, who released that
video of the hellfire and missile going after a UFO
off the coast of Yemen. And you know, Eric and
I kind of have the same sort of approach to
these things, which is, I can't tell you what's true,

(36:05):
but we really have a good sense of when people
are lying to us.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
And so.

Speaker 10 (36:10):
And you know, I really had a good time writing
this book trying to tell the narrative of UFOs, because
there are certain parts of the UFO story which didn't
make sense to me. Like I understood how people were
saying that the explosion of the first atomic bomb created
an interest in our species by these aliens, But I.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Was wondering to myself, Okay, I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (36:37):
The roswelts, the Roswell story because we blew up the
first atomic bomb in July fifteenth of nineteen forty five, right,
and it takes till July of forty seven for these
craft to show up. And that led me to a
great book by Jacques Valat and Paul la Harris. Now

(36:57):
your audience will know Jacqueesvlai is one of the UFO experts,
but he claimed that there was a UFO crash earlier
than Roswell, basically one month after.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
The explosion of the first atomic bomb.

Speaker 10 (37:10):
It's called the Trinity incident, and they were just the
crash UFO was discovered by two young boys on horseback.
And parts of the Roswell story didn't make sense to
me because when you read Roswell, it seems like the
military knew what they were doing with crash retrieval. And
you know, I'm a big you know, I'm very interested

(37:31):
in like organizational behavior, like how do organizations respond to things?
And as I was reading roswellt I was like, they
know what they're doing. And when I looked at the
Trinity Incident, it was very much like you would expect,
this is the first time they knew what was going on,
and what's really interesting about when you look at it

(37:52):
through that frame is the Japanese surrendered on August fifteenth,
nineteen forty five. So I'm putting my mind in myself
in the mind of a World War two general. You know,
you go to bed on the night of August fifteenth saying, Okay,
this brutal four year war is over. And the next

(38:12):
day you're going to work and your adjutant comes up
and says, hey, sir, we had something crash in New Mexico.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Nazi is it? Is it Japanese? No, sir, it's none
of those. Okay.

Speaker 10 (38:24):
Then kind of this cover up makes a lot of
sense to me because you're still in the World War
two mindset.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Well, we have all of these conspiracies that surround what
are alleged to be government cover ups. So you can
go back, obviously to the JFK assassination, which still it
grips people to this day, and people question the official story.
And the UFO story is no different because it's going

(38:53):
on and on and on with millions of people seeing
things that cannot be explained. And then you've got these
military members and whistleblowers who are claiming that they've had
retaliation against them for coming forward with information that the
top branch doesn't want the public to see.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
Yeah, and I think that you're exactly right about that.
And like I say, I've never seen a UFO, no abduction,
nothing like that. But I can't talk about this subject
with friends without like, you know, one or two of
them going hey, I had an incident, and you know,
it's like, yeah, my longtime editor, Max Swofford, I've been

(39:36):
working with him for eleven years, and I said, hey,
I'm doing a UFO book, Max, you know, and he goes, oh,
have I told you about my UFO experiences?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
And it's like, this is somebody.

Speaker 10 (39:45):
I've known for fifteen twenty years and suddenly he's talking
about And I think all of us who haven't seen
anything have had the experience of people we know and
respect and trust telling us these stories, and so we're curious.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
YEA.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Indeed, the book is Catastrophic Disclosure, the Deep State, Aliens
and the Truth. The author our guest Kent Heck and Lively,
and the book is out on Tuesday on post Till Press.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I wish you great success with the book, Kent, Thanks
for coming on.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thanks lot Erry, you bet, we'll continue in moments. Welcome
to the Night Camp on Veterans Day on seven hundred
WLW Gary Jeff Walker. We have a veteran joining us
right now. It's a conversation with decorated Navy Lieutenant Commander

(40:41):
Thomas E. Caldwell, a man in his sixties, disabled VET,
living peacefully on his Virginia farm. When the FBI executed
a pre don swat raid. What were the charges against Tom?
Calledwell that he was a leader of the oath Keepers
who stormed the capital and hunted down members of Congress

(41:03):
on January sixth. Tom was never a member of the Oathkeepers.
He never entered the capital, he never planned an attack.
The government has admitted in the aftermath of all of
this that this didn't happen, but not before Tom spent
over fifty days in solitary confinement, endeared years of prosecution

(41:27):
and persecution.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
He has a book he says he.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Started writing it the day he got out of solitary confinement,
called The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January sixth
story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory. It is out
now and we have its author, Lieutenant Commander. Welcome to
the nightcap.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Thank you? Mister Walker's a pleasure to be with you
and Sharon and I here in our humble place in
the valley of Virginia are just fine.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And Daddy all right?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh, first and foremost, what did you think about your
governor's race that just concluded?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Well, it's disappointing here in Virginia. And if people look
at a map of Virginia, they'll see so much of
this beautiful state is solidly conservative and Christian conservative. Accept
in places where you would expect a concentration of people
on the grift and on the government goal. Arlington, Fairfax,
all Church, right across the Potomac from DC. This is

(42:30):
a it's a rough time because the incoming governor has
made it clear that she's anti gun, she's pro abortion,
she's anti women's rights, pro men in little girls locker rooms.
It seems like the devil has the people by the
throat in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well we are. We are still living in that world.
We're living in a fallen world, but we know how
it ends ultimately, and that's that's the positive thing that
we can grab a hold of.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Indeed, indeed, and I'll tell you, as you well know,
and your listeners will be interested to know my story
is very different the story of any other January sixth
defendant that you've ever heard from. Even if people think
that they know something about my taste because they did
a Google search, I can tell you that all they
have seen is stuff that is totally false, invented by

(43:21):
the prosecutors, and most of the time blown away during
a ten and a half week jury trial that I
was subjected to. In the book, I talk about things
that have been actively kept away from the American public.
As you pointed out, I didn't do anything on January sixth.
In fact, my wife and I were together every moment

(43:41):
of the day. We went only to hear President Trump
give his last address, and also to hear a myriad
of other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled to
appear that day and talk to the crowd. The FBI
did zero investigation on me before they sent the SWAT
team here. And when Sharon was able to get a

(44:04):
lawyer who wanted to help a January sixth defendant, after
she came up with a six figure retainer for the guy,
and I'm looking at him through bulletproof last in my
solitary confinement dungeon chain handed foot. He looked at me
and he said, you know, Tom, the DOJ knows you're innocent,
but they don't care. Now that's chilling.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
How do you think you got on this list of theirs? Tom?

Speaker 5 (44:32):
I have a member of the Oath Keepers, who, as
you are well aware, are not a white supremacist group.
They are a community activist group that helps in times
of natural disasters. During the summer of twenty twenty, they
came to start doing some security work for conservative and
Christian speakers who are being attacked by Antifa, especially.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
In Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Most of the oath Keepers are a veteran, of course,
and I met one actually, a young lady who had
served with a Ranger battalion in the Sandbox in Afghanistan,
the kind of person I have a lot of respect for,
and being an old guy, and I said, you know
what it says at Romans twelve, we're supposed to practice hospitality.

(45:18):
If you ever get broken down in DC, give a call.
Our farm is not that far away. And she walked
away with my phone number in her phone and my
first name, but she couldn't even remember my last name.
That's how casual our meeting had been. But she remembered,
and she did what many veterans do. They refer to

(45:39):
each other by the rank that they held on active duties.
So sure enough, in her phone, the listing became Commander
Thom because I was a lieutenant commander in the nav
when they they flash banged her apartment a week or
so after January sixth, only because she was a member
of the Oathkeepers, scooped up her phone and mister Walker.

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Within two hours of getting her phone, an FBI special
agent had a federal judge's signature on a warrant for
my arrest as Commander Tom, the commander of the youth
Keepers and the mastermind of January sixth.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Ye, you were a lieutenant commander in the Navy. But
because she wrote, Commander Tom, apparently you're the one's who's
making all the calls and planning whatever that they concocted,
that they dreamed up or they lied about. What did
the FBI tell you, if anything, on the morning of
the SWAT raid on your farm?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
What did they say?

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Well, I submitted to a three hour interrogation. Some would
call it a gestapo grilling because I didn't have anything
to hide, And during that time they accused me of
doing this and that, and yet they had scraped all
of the pictures that I had taken off on January sixth.
They were all on my phone and my wife and

(47:01):
I took over two hundred photos, sometimes crowd shots, sometimes selfies, videos,
and we went through them and they were accusing me
of all this twaddle, and I said, can you show
me any violence here? Can you show what part of
the day are you talking about. It got to the
point where they knew they had made a mistake, and

(47:22):
they were busy and they were texting the Department of
Justice saying what do you want us to do with
this guy? But the Department of Justice was still hard over.
One of the things that really bugged me during that
interrogation was to find that the hatred for veterans, of
course I did almost twenty years day for day on
active duty in the Naty, was palpable. They said, well,

(47:44):
you know, you military people, you just kill people. You're
just a violent bunch of people. Then they got into
the well, I guess you're sorry that you supported President Trump. Now, huh,
all of this stuff is recorded in the trade and
scripts of the video that they surreptitiously took of my
three hour interrogation. I'm telling you, there's so much stuff

(48:08):
here in this book.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
Mister Walker.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
People are going to say, what are you kidding me?
And I will tell you this is not a woe
is Knee story, and it's not a revenge story. But
I wanted to share my wife and my story and
what I hope readers will find me be a compelling
kind of first person style. I think people sometimes do
read books nowadays if they're different and there's a real story.

(48:33):
And I'll tell you what, as an intelligence officer by
trade and training, you better know that I bring the
receipts and I expose a multi agency plot. There's intrigues, fear, pain,
courtroom stuff. Stuff will make you laugh out loud, and
miracles provided by the Lord because in the final analysis,

(48:53):
during this entire time in this country, justice is just us.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Tom Caldwell, if you will indulge me, I'm going to
take a quick break and come back and just a
few more questions I had. The book is the Mouths
of the Wicked, a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution,
survival and victory. The author is a veteran Navy Lieutenant
Commander Tom Caldwell, who was terribly mistreated by people in

(49:24):
a rogue justice system in this country. That was, obviously
and the most telling thing you just said, Tom, was
I bet you're glad. I bet you're you're sorry now
that you supported Donald Trump, because that's what it was
all about. We'll take a break and come right back
more with Tom Caldwell. Next, talking to Navy Lieutenant Tom Callwell,

(49:50):
author of The Mouths of the Wicked, The True January
sixth Story. His January sixth story of how he was
lied about out false charges put him in solitary confinement
for fifty days before he was finally exonerated after much

(50:11):
expense and time taken away from his life for no reason. Tom,
I've heard others horror stories about the DC gulag and
being placed in solitary confinement. Give us a thumbnail sketch
on your incarceration.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
I was not taken to what they call the Dclage,
but I was taken to probably the nastiest prison in
the state of Virginia. It's called the Central Virginia Regional Jail,
in a little town that sounds nice, Orange, Virginia. And
from the time I got in there, I was selected
for special handling. And my world became sleeping on a

(50:51):
concrete floor with icy cold air blown on me all
the time, four of four solid walls, free concrete and
steel door, and that was my world. And in there,
just like in the outer limits, they controlled the horizontal
and the vertical, so they had the ability to manipulate
me with sound and screams and flashing lights and of

(51:15):
course the favorite of darkness when they turn out the
lights four days at the time.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
It's really really tough.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
I think, long enough timeline, everybody's sanity might go to
zero in a situation like that where your only actual contact,
physical contact with people is a physical beating or worse.
The prouty in the prison is just part of the story,
but it's it's an awful It was an awful part

(51:43):
of the story.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Were you denied legal assistance at the first time.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
The judge at my first bail hearing, which was a farce.

Speaker 11 (51:54):
Ask me point blank how much money you have in
the bank, and I said, I don't know. I might
have a couple of thousand dollars say's not enough, you
go get an attorney. But the problem is when you're
in solitary, how to get an attorney. My wife, while
I was going through hell, was going through her own health.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
She was trying to come up with the money to
find an attorney to get her husband out. And she
knew this is a good situation for us. Maybe not
every other January sixth or had this situation, but she
knew I was. She didn't have to be convinced because
we were together in lockstep that entire day and did
nothing wrong. So she was trying as hard as she
could to save her man, knowing that this was going

(52:32):
to be a long, long battle against these people. And
even when I got out, the dirty tricks kept coming
and they did their best to drive us into bankruptcy.
And my wife is a wonderful, wonderful lady, And she said,
you know what, there are a lot of people that
are taking plea deals. You and I both know you're
not going to do that because you don't swear to

(52:52):
something you didn't do, and we don't. She said, I
don't care if we lose everything we have, which we
think those two but we didn't, or we have to
live in the back of a car, which we also didn't,
thank goodness, but she says, we're going to find a
hammer and tong all the way, and that's what we did.
It's only recently that I've been able to talk about

(53:14):
this because of the restrictions that were put on me
by the government, and even with President Trump's personal pardon
for me, not on the day where he pardoned so many,
but it came after that when they really looked at
what had been done to me, not that there's going
to be any recourse and he pardoned me. You know,

(53:35):
there's not any real restoration. I am forever marred with
the modern day equivalent of the scarlett letter J six.
So my reputation is ruined. But you know what, I'm free.
I've had a lot of time to think about this.
I chose my words carefully, and they're here in the book,
and there's stuff like you have never heard.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I cannot believe that there's no recourse for you to
sue them, to uh be be compensated for your lost time,
the ruination of your reputation, like you said, being tarred
and feathered and being left with that scarlet letter of
J six on you. Uh, I just there's something that's

(54:20):
just so unjust about it, even from even from that
even from that standpoint, it's obviously all unjust, all false,
all made up. But there's an unjustness in the fact
that you haven't been made a whold Tom.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Well, that's true. I mean, you know, I knew that.
When this book came out, I was opening myself up
and and that's true. The same the same lies that
still exists out there on the internet are just being
recycled and thrown at me things that we disproved. And
that's okay. Uh, it was important to tell the story.

(54:57):
Some people would say, hey, you dodge the bullet. Now,
maybe I did, But shouldn't I shine a flashlight in
the face of a gunman so that people would know
what happened. But in terms of being restored, the law
says that the prosecutors at the Department of Justice are
in the members of the judiciary, all of the judges
that heard these cases, including mine in the DC circuit.

(55:21):
They all operate under a thing called absolute immunity, which
is codified into law, and that means they cannot be sued.
So they can lie and cheat and steal and falsify
evidence like they did in my case on suborn perjury,
which they did, and participate in witness tampering, and every

(55:41):
dirty trick you can imagine, including having my Social Security stopped,
having my military medical benefits stop, and by extension, my
wife's too, everything they could do to try to get
me to come and sign a piece of paper. These
are things that are going to be exposed when people
the book. But you know that's the law. That stuff's

(56:02):
been out there for a long long time, and most
people like you and I were never exposed to the
inner workings, the dirty part of the lawfair and the weaponization,
and so now we can put a real face on it.
I want to stay in my lane. I don't talk
about everybody else's chase at length, but when you see
what we've got documented, you're just going to want to

(56:24):
tear your hair out. And the laws that exist to
protect these people to do whatever they want to do
for political gain, for professional gain, and monetary gain. But
those things need to change. But I don't know how
you and I go about doing that, mister Walker.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Well, at least it's being exposed to the sunlight of
your book and conversations like this one. Again, there are
some who insist on due process. For example, for illegal
immigrants like Abrigo Garcia. You've been accused of, you know,
human trafficking and there's an in to that, and people

(57:01):
with known criminal backgrounds, people in multiple not only charges
but convictions. And the question remains is where was Tom
Caldwell's due process?

Speaker 5 (57:12):
You know, my my wife Sharon and I we we
sit here sometimes and we don't we don't hang on
every word or on the newscasts in the evening.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
We have other things to do.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Sure, but we'll we'll see something like what you just mentioned,
and she'll turn to me and she'll say, where where
was Where were your rights? Where was your due process?

Speaker 7 (57:31):
Why?

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Why didn't you get Chris van Holland to come and
take you out for margarite? Those kinds of things, And
it's just, you know, we just kind of get a
right smile and I laugh together as a love inusment.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
And wife will tend to do.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
But I'll tell you what, there's no way that we
could have gotten through this without our Lord.

Speaker 7 (57:49):
And Savior Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Amen.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
I hope that we make a strong enough statement about
that in the book, because the miracles that came out
during this story that kept me from going back into prison,
possibly for life. Your listeners need to know they wanted
to put me in prison for the rest of my life.
It is charged me with my felonies.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
The Mouths of the Wicked, the True January sixth Story
of corruption, persecution, survival and Victory. It is out now.
The author Tom Caldwell, I am so glad you're a
freeman and I hope maybe this book will go some
ways to making your life better Tom, when people read
your story and they understand. Thank you again for your time.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Sir Well, Thank you so much. If people do want
to find the book and want to find out what
really happened, you can find the book at Puffin Publishers
dot com. That's Puffin like the Seabird pu f fi
N Publishers dot com. And I think you'll be surprised.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Very well. God blessed, Thank you very much of the time.
God bless you. Tom Caldwell.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Unbelievable, And we've put the wraps on this cap. It
is Veterans Day for the next few minutes. And well
he's not a military vet. I don't think and I
know I'm not. He is a veteran voice of sports
in this market and nationally on Fox Sports Radio, where

(59:24):
he does his show on the weekends on Fox Sports
thirteen sixty and on Serious Exam. Literally he's everywhere, and
he's even on this show whenever I can coerce him
to come on and spend a few minutes with me
or waste some time generally, which is what we do
very well. He is the one and only Furball. Andy Furman,

(59:45):
Welcome back into the fold, my friend.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
Well, thank you so much for having me, and Happy
Veterans Day to you in the waving moments of it.
But I will ask you this question. How come it's
not treated as a major holiday. Schools are open, and
you would think especially schools would be closed, because I
know when I was a youngster in my elementary school
PS one twenty eight in Brooklyn, school was open, but

(01:00:08):
they used the gymnasium for voting machines.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Well, you probably also said that the pledge of allegiance
when you started school at PS.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
One twenty every every morning, that's morning. Yeah, and you
probably do that anymore, do they?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
We probably you probably actually got a real dose of
real American history and Civics in school, which is not
really taught anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
Right, But you're going off the beaten track. I don't
know why Veterans Day of old. I mean, you have
holidays that are less important than Veterans Day. Absolutely, the
banks are closed and there's no mail service. But other
than that, everything is that is you know, saying that
is quo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Well, I'm here working. I mean, you know I should.

Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
Call it that. If you want to call it that,
I should be out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I should be out laying your wreath or something, or
honoring a veteran in my own inevitable fashion. But instead
I'm here listening to you drone on about how I'm
going off track.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Now listen, well, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Correct, I'm not upset. I just questioned why Veterans Day
is not treated like other holidays. I just don't get
it any.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
When we were kids, the greatest presidents in American history,
George Washington, the father of our country, Abraham Lincoln, the
man who put the country back together after the Civil War,
who ended slavery, we used to celebrate their birthdays independently,
but now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
It's all.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
Holiday. On their birthday is kind of like on a
Monday somewhere in February, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You know, I think it does a great disservice to
the greatest leaders that our country has ever seen and veterans.
Veterans are the greatest citizens of this country because they
and many of them have made the ultimate sacrifice. They
have sacrificed their freedom for hours to fight for their
own freedom and their family's freedom, their family's sacrifice, having

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them gone for months and sometimes years at a time,
there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't be a bigger holiday.
You are one hundred percent correct, Are you happy?

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
Now? Thank you very much. Veteran's Day to me is
in the same league as Mother's Day and Father's Day
right now? Really, or Memorial Day celebrated.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
It's like, you know, so please.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
We celebrate Labor Day and everybody gets off I mean,
you know people. You know what people do on Labor Day?
They take off work. What does that mean? How is
that even sensical?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
I'm with you, and speaking of work, guess who's going
back to work? Joe Borrow? How's that for a transition?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Well, I don't know if you call him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Videos of him sitting on the sideline throwing the football
back to work. He's not exactly going to be rolling
out with the Bengal when they come off their bye
week and you know, reappearing as the starting quarterback, I mean,
is a long way from that they said mid December.
But you, me and my brother talking to a fence post,

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have all agreed that we don't think Joe Burrow's coming back.
And if he is, why why would he come back
this season? They're three and six. They're not going anywhere, Andy,
you know it. I know it, and the Bengals know it.
Joe Burrow knows it. But I mean, why are they
teasing us with this? Is this to somehow renew fan
interest in a team that is moribund and has has

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the locker room's been lost and any kind of hope
of you know, Bengals superiority has been lost through this
lost season. Is this just a publicity stun Andy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
What is this?

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
No? I think there is a belief that there can
be a run with this ball club. There's a belief
And I'll tell you why. Because the visions wide open.
Pittsburgh lost the other night, uh, and they're playing Pittsburgh
this week At three and six. I still think the
division is somewhat wide open, and they connect a run
out of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Division.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
No, I agree, I agree with you, But the bad
news is they had Joe Burrow last year and they lost.
So what would change this year? If Joe Burrow closed back?
He is, if not the best quarterback in the National
Football League, pretty darn close to it, right. You couldn't
get to the playoffs with him last year. And if
they don't make the playoffs this year, which they probably won't,

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three years straight no playoffs, the Giants fired their coach
yesterday at two and eight. I gotta believe Zach Taylor
right now is having a difficult time going to sleep,
looking at the ceiling at night, saying am I next?
Because really and truly, playoffs mean ticket sales, mean butts
and stands, and the less you win, the less people

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come to games. And I saw last night at the
Xavier game when they got trounced by former Miami coach
Herb Sendek who's now at Santa Clara, beating up Xavier
by nineteen I will tell you right now that was
the worst performance I've seen Xavier and basketball in ages
and ages.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And you're right that that gem looked like a mausoleum
at the end, Andy, I mean, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:05:22):
Going to get ugly. Oh, it's going to get ugly.
They're not going to win double digit games this year,
and I guess it's a transition you with Richard Patino.
But you know, honestly, Ken Xavier compete in the Big East.
I'm not saying on the court, kind of compete with
the checkbook to sign ANIL players. That's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
The question about this Xavier Musketeer basketball team is can
they find someone consistently who can score. They found one
guy last night who had twenty nine points. But other
than that, I mean that that just was man, it
was a power outage of major proportions offensively.

Speaker 7 (01:06:00):
I think that I think these team should beat Santa Clara.
But I'm happy for herb Sendeck. He's found the home
in Santa Clara. He's doing well. I'm a coach of Miami.
But you know, we'll see what happens with that. But
getting back to Joe Borrow right now, here's my take
on the next two weeks are critical for the Bengals.
I'll tell you why they're three and six. They're going
to Pittsburgh Sunday. Then they got the New England Patriots.

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They finished three and eight. Why A would you bring
Borrow back? Why B? Why would Borrow want to come back?
Three and eight? You finished eleven games in you finished.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
No, I'm with your program here entirely. But I just
think it's a matter of, I don't know, trying to
renew spark fan interest, get them to talk about the
Bengals and the possibilities. I think this is all a
publicity stunt, you.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Know what, though on a normal team, I would say, yes.
I don't think they're smart enough to do publicity stunts.
I really don't. I don't. I mean, I don't think
that's in their DNA. I just think that the medical
staff said he's ready to come back, they announced it,
he came back there. That's the furthest thing from their mind.
Publicity's done. They don't do that. They don't believe in

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that stuff. They just won't do it. I mean, it's
not their style. I don't see it as not a fact.
I don't see any team in this marketplace do anything
like that. I lived off that stuff. I lived off it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
You know, that's your game, that's your game.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
Yeah, and I think that maybe that's what this team needs,
is a joke like that. When I was the PR
guy for the Fourth Load of Dale now they're now
defunct Four Loaderdale Strikers and the now defunct North American
Soccer League, we had a losing streak. I had a
great coach and Ron Newman, May he rest in peace.
I said, Coach, we need to get a psychiatrist, hit
or hypnotist to hypnotize us guys to get out of

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the losing streak. He agreed. We had it, and you
know while, we called the media and we made the
front page in the Fourth Loard of Dale news. People
love that stuff. It makes you down to earth human fun.
It's all about fun. It's too it's too tight lift,
it's just too much business. Now it's fun. What is sports?
Sports is a relief. It's something to get away from

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the mundane tasks of the job of the world, of
getting up in the morning, of paying bills. It's a getaway.
And they treated like a business like everything else. It's not.
It's fun. Someone's making it fun anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Something that you said really struck me as very very funny,
andy and very telling. The now defunct Fort Lauderdale Strikers
and the now defunct NASL.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
So you didn't help at all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
They were bound for going down in flames, regardless of
your best publishing.

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
It's funny. It's funny you mentioned that because when I
worked in the North American Soccer League and we had
some great players. We had a UHBS we had and
I said, I had a pr man's stream. We had
a one eyed goalkeeper in Gordon thanks from England. He
was blind in one eye. He was great, and it
was a great story at George Best, the late George Best.

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He was a great player, who had great players not
in the prime of their career, at the tail end
of their career. And we're always told that, you know,
soccer is going to be number one in the US
of A in the next five to ten years. Well
it took about twenty five years. But you know what,
it's here. It's here to stay right now. It really is.
I mean MLS has done a good job, but if
you look at the mL top to bottom, it's very

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similar in roster like it was in the North American
Soccer League. When you're getting stars like mess who basically
has passed the prime, it's not the messay of five
ten years ago. You know, guys that are on the
tail end of their career, making a big check to
sell themselves to the fans of the US of A
who've heard of them but never has seen him play
in person.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I'll tell you who's not at the tail end of
his career.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Most of these players for FC Cincinnati, Man, they are
in the thick of the playoffs. Now they beat Columbus,
which nothing could make me happier than anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Don't anything anything?

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
Nothing in sports? Not one thing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
No in sports?

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
What about winning the lottery in sports?

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Watch as a as a.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
Fan playing the lotteries a sport?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Nothing, well, kind of, but nothing in sports as a
fan as a spectator makes me happier than seeing that
team from Columbus go down Andy.

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
Why, why do you such hatred to it? I don't
get it, you know why?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
And Cleveland too?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
If if there was a professional team in Toledo, which
there's the mud Hens, but and then there's the Rockets,
which I guess is kind of professional now with the
nil and the transferred Portland, but any other any other
team from Ohio, I'm just like thumbs down on I
want I'm sacrificed with the Lions in the middle of
the coliseum.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
You know, it's funny. I listen to a lot of
sports talk radio locally and nationally, and the one thing
that kind of not gonna say irks me, but I
question it. I really, I'm not gonna say I'm down
on it. If I don't care, it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
My program directors would not, and more so nationally than locally. Really,
But when I hear some of my cohorts, even on Fox,
they live and die with various teams like they're fans.
I guess you're If you're a sports talk hoast, you
are a fan of sports. But I don't think that
should bleed through when you're behind the microphone. Maybe I'm wrong, Well, no,
am am I wrong on that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
And I'm not particularly a fan of anybody in particular.
I'm a fan of hating all other teams in Ohio
besides the Cincinnati teams.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
That's what I'm a fan of against people, I really do,
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Really, I'm not a hater, but I don't live and
die with a team's wins and losses. I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Hater's got to hate and I hate. You know what
I loved?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I loved, and I was rooting for Vanderbilt against Auburn
this past weekend in college football. I've been a Commodore's fan,
and for it, that's that's the team I really get
hyped up for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
That's a team I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I just because as long as Diego Pavia, who may
be entering his ninth or tenth season as a college quarterback,
as long as as long as he's making the calls
and he's making the plays behind center, I'll be rooting
for them forever, and I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Know there's hope for next week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Boy, I tell you what, that game against Auburn in
overtime at Vanderbilt home coming that did it for me.
And it reminded me of the time that Vanderbilt beat
Auburn in basketball and Charles Barkley, who's already in the
NBA at this point, had come in to see as

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alma mater beat Vanderbilt at Memorial Gym in Nashville and
they lost. Auburn lost, and Charles Barkley is at the
club where I am MCing some contests. Later on that night,
after the game and he's walking through and I'm up
on the microphone and I said, hey, Charles. I see him.

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I said hey Charles, and he turns his head. I
go war eagle, Huh, I don't think so, and he
started charging the disc jockey booth. I could have been
thrown out of a plate glass window. Yeah, I was
stupid enough. Skinny little white guy with a microphone thought
i'd smart off to Charles Barkley and I almost got
my butt kicked by the round mountain.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
It's funny.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
It's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
I mentioned Charles Barkley, which I really enjoy watching him
on TVs. He's comical, he's knowledgeable, and he's just entertaining,
which is sports yeas entertainer, which is great. And last
week he was talking to Peyton Manning on the Monday
night football game and the conversation came up about underwear.
Of all things, underwear, right right, So Charles says to
Peyton Manning about ten years ago, I took all my

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pair of underwear and I burned them. And Payton says,
really as it is, I go come and when I
heard that, you know, and I believe him because that's
Charlie's not gonna lie about that. But I said to myself,
I don't really need to know that. And more than that,
I don't want him to be standing up doing anything
at all on TV, to stay behind the desk, because

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I think that's going to create a lot of attention,
which I don't want it Just it's one of a
subject that the picture of my mind is not pleasant,
you know. And I'm sure it was funny, and he
said it to be funny, but there was a lot.
I think it went viral. I'm sure it went viral.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yeah, everybody was talking about Charles Barkley not wearing underwear,
and he ever, ever, he burned every piece of underwear.
He had a big bonfire.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
I will tell you what. Right, But here's the deal.
Do you think that that would be even comfortable? I
would never even want to do that. I just think
be chasing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I'm a boxer. I'm a boxers guy. I like a
little bit of freedom down there, if you know what
I mean. I'm not a tidy, whitey guy, So I
mean I'll compromise and do boxers, but I you know,
I like to keep my pants clean.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Right, I don't Other than that, I can't see wearing
a pair of jeans commando because she's is sort of rough.
And let's face it, if you go to the toilet
doing number one when you're a little older, you may
have a little drip and you'll have like a little
stained by the zipper, right, I mean maybe walk around
with a little drip mark. I mean, so, I don't

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see the advantage of going commando except you could talk
about it, I guess, well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
And we just did. And I'm so glad you brought
it up.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
And maybe that's why he did it, because he had
everybody talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Really maybe maybe who knows, I don't know, have you
ever you know? That's that's something we ought to talk about,
is celebrities we would like to see go commando. Sometimes no,
not tonight, but all right, fur Ball, we gotta go.
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
I didn't even talk about Joe Burrow with you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
We talked about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
Well, we just touched the surface with him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Well, I'll tell you what. There's more to come, isn't
there There's more to come? Always always, Andy, thank you,
thank you, goodbye, goodbye. The fur Ball on the Nightcap