11-4-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker

Gary Jeff recaps the November 4th local elections and more on this edition of the Nightcap.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Nightcap on seven ound WLW election night
in Cincinnati and elsewhere, and of course we'll be covering
those results. It looks like have Ted Purval has been
it's projected to win the mayor's race in Cincinnati, and
the city council isn't changing. And you have to scratch

(00:22):
your head and wonder why, except that people who were
concerned about the way things have been going didn't turn
out and vote again Again, we'll get to that. Gary
Jeff with you on this Tuesday night, November fourth, and
it is off year election night. And before we begin,

(00:45):
just some thoughts on election night, especially one of these
next to your course in midterms and you will see
greater turnout and more enthusiasm and more energy and more
electricity around that because it really determines the balance of
power in our federal government. But all politics is local,

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I thought. And when you have routinely in a city,
say like Cincinnati, where only twenty percent of the population
turns out, unless it's a presidential election or even a
midterm election, a mayoral election, this is the election that

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controls how your city is governed, where you live, and
you don't show up at the polls unless you are
one of those extremely partisan people. And in the city
of Cincinnati, most of those extremely partisan people are Democrats,
obviously by the results that we get in almost every

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election for how many of the last few decades, fifty
sixty years, something like that. You can't expect change if
you don't go out and pull the lever, or you
don't have your vote registered. And I was thinking about
that too from my particular standpoint, and not just in

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off year elections. I had nothing to vote for it all.
I live in northern Kentucky and there was nothing on
the ballot on the issues really for me to voice
my opinion about, which I do every time I get
a chance. I don't live in Cincinnati. I don't live

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in Cleveland either, Samwish, but I don't live in New
Jersey or Virginia or New York City. And the way
I am seeing these races shape up around the country,
I'm really glad I don't because I wouldn't vote for
any of these people who are the current front runners
right now, unless even if I had a gun to

(02:54):
my head, even if I was being promised everything free
for the rest of my life. We have politicians offering
you free stuff, all freedom goes away, all real freedom,
and those of us who are smart enough know that.
I wouldn't say that a lot of gen z qualifies

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as smart enough. And apparently in New York City at
least they've been energized to vote for a communist calling.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
But there are more important things. My wife and I
just got back from Middle Tennessee to see my parents
this weekend. Had a great overnight visit with mom and
dad on Sunday, came back yesterday afternoon. Not enough time,
but at least we got to go. My dad was
eighty nine last Thursday night on November or October thirtieth

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eighty nine and still just hanging in there. My mother
is eighty eight, and she is absolutely a machine energizer, Bunner,
the bunny plus. But I got off the phone with
my mom this afternoon found out that quite suddenly, one
of my younger brothers, John had emergency surgery, just out

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of the blue, to reconnect his intestines with his stomach.
Stuff wasn't getting through. But this is just like like that.
Nobody knew anything was wrong until it was, and he's
in ICU right now at a hospital in Smyrna, Tennessee.

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My brother John, My brother Dwyane, who was going to
take my mother from Hendersonville out to Smyrna to see
my brother in the hospital, had a car accident on
the way to go to pick my mom up.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Must be the bare moon on the way.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Our first guest of the evening as a woman who
is an independent journalist. She is a White House reporter.
Her name is Karin Clifford, and we'll talk about the
implications for the Trump administration with the elections that are
going on tonight and what it means for the midterms.
Who knows Karinn Clifford on the way In just a
few moments. My old buddy Rick Robinson, lawyer and author

(05:19):
and friend, will join us at nine thirty five. He
spent many a year in Washington, d c.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
And in the powers of political.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
The courridors of political power in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Worked with Jim Bunning when he was in the Senate.
He will join us a little bit later on this hour.
Jim Rinacy, who knows a lot about elections. He's won some,
he's lost some, and has some definite opinions, not only

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on what went on around the country in the elections
that were held, but also the government shut down which
is shaping up now to be the longest ever in
our country's history. And atl we will have an hour
of sports for the out of sorts. The wild Man
Ann Furman will join us regular Night Cap contributors, and
you can be a contributor to The phone lines are
open all night, so I've got anything that sparks your

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fancy or you want to chime in on elections or otherwise.
And of course, the horrific plane takeoff crash in Louisville
today around ten after five this afternoon that laid a
huge swath of fire all over the runway at Muhammad

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Ali International Airport, left three people dead, eleven injured, and
thousands under a stay in place order with the jet
fuel all over the place and fire and the ensuing
smoke from that fire. So it's been a big day,
not necessarily the kind that you want to see, but

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lots to cover.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's nine sixteen.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Rrenn Clifford will join this in just a few moments
from the Washington Reporters Press Pool on seven hundred WLW
on this election night in Cincinnati and elsewhere around the country.
Gary Jeff with you on the Nightcap on seven hundred
WLW joining us now is a prominent member of the
White House Press Corps, independent journalist and spokesperson for SAT

(07:23):
one two three dot com, a leading provider of emergency
communication tools, originally from Pacific Palisades, California, which, of course
we all saw tragically destroyed by the wildfires in January
of this year. She has a very personal perspective coverage
of emergencies and national crises. Just had an emergency today

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at Muhammad Ali International Airport down the road in Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Korinn Clifford joins us Karin, good evening.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I understand from what my producer says that you're sounding
a lot like Secretary Kennedy right now. You're so horse
from doing interviews all day.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yes, I sound like Secret Kennedy. I actually sound a
lot like Demi Moore too. I lost my voice from
the election coverage I've been doing all day at the
White House.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh my gosh. Well, you know, I think it's actually
quite fetching. And uh I love I love it. I
love a good voice, especially that one.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I can give you a really good voice. It sounds
like to me more.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
It does sound.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
In your in your former state of California. You know
you don't live in California.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Anymore, right, I live in California, you do. Virginia, Washington,
d C. And Florida, and I registered to vote in
all three states. I didn't register in DC. I registered
in California, Virginia, and Florida. And I got threatened by

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the deputy sheriff if I vote, they will arrest me.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, I mean you should, just you should. You should
become a Democrat and they'll let you do it.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Exactly exactly. They're telling me that because I registered in
three states, which I don't believe right to do that,
I can't vote. But I didn't vote. I didn't vote
because what's the point. Yeah, the Democrats are winning everything
because they mess with our elections. I have phone calls

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coming from all over America, from very simple electioneering to
very complex where they won't let people vote and then
they just throw your bullet in the trust. In Virginia,
you don't even have to show idda vote.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
How's that possible?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Really?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, that explains the large margin that Spamberger has over
Winston's Uh, if they've just called New Jersey for Mikey Cheryl,
do you think do you think that Jack Titterelli after
the third time should just say Okay, maybe somebody else
needs this. I will tell you what's interesting though, And
I'm just seeing it on the screen, Karen, is that

(10:18):
in New York Man Donnie is forty nine percent, Curtis
Lee was eight point nine, Cuoma was forty one. So
it's it's literally a dead heat in New York City.
But because Slee was in the race, it looks like
Mom Donnie is going to true to form win. This
may Earl's race there.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Slee and I love him, I know him personally. He's
an amazing person. That he should have dropped out of
the race. He should have dropped out of the race
and let Cloma wins.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Between the two of them, they've got forty nine point
six percent of the vote.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yes, And did you see that Elon Musk is tweeting
that there is a weird problem with the ballot in
New York City. So Elon Musk is admitting that there's
election corruption, potential fraud happening in the New York City race.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
It wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
After what was pulled off in twenty twenty around the
country in places like Pennsylvania, and that's.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
All right, yes, And they have to cleaned the voter
rolls in New York City, so dead people vote. In Virginia,
we have a major migrant crisis, and they're letting the
illegals vote. In California is a train wreck because they're
redistricting it. We have to go to the executive orders

(11:44):
by governors and of course President Trump to hand count vote.
We have to use paper ballots and a receipt for
you voted for, and we have to hand count the
vote before the twenty twenty mid terms.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
This is this is the only thing you you say
that will guarantee a free and fair election.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Karin.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yes, we're in trouble. Our elections are corrupted. And I've
interviewed hundreds of people across America because they call me.
I dogs my phone number and they tell me what
they're going through. That's why I lost my voice today.
There's so much election.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well you thought you would have thought, Karin talking to
Karin Clifford, White House reporter and a spokesperson for SAD
one two three dot com Krinn, you would have thought
after twenty twenty and the court battles that were won
too late, after the fact, uh, that we were over

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that in this country. You'd have thought that people enough
people had woken up to not let that ever happen again.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
But apparently we have to.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Paper ballot. Of course ID, yes, I have ID. But
we have to handcoup vote. We cannot use machines. We
cannot trust any machines. And I have studied this for
years now, for years than years. And President Trump has
old team, and we better take action before the twenty

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twenty six the terms. It's going to be a mess.
So do you think that means communists?

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Now?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
I know, do you think that being said, Karin uh,
that this election really means anything as far as the
Democrats regaining power in the House or the Senate, or
that there's some kind of blue wave coming next year
or this is an aberration and it's all been caused

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by election fraud.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
No, listen, there is no blue waves coming. There is
no blue waves coming. This is happening because we do
not have secure elections. We have to go to paper pilots.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We have to go to hand counting.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
The vote. The Democrats to not be winning California is Republican.
I interview hundreds of people across America. The elections are
corrupted and now and.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Now Newsom has convinced the population or maybe through vote fraud,
is getting Prop fifty passed, and they're going to try
and ensure that it's almost impossible for a Republican to
get elected in the House of Representatives from California.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yes, to read this or thing. So it's a big mess.
We're in trouble because we haven't taken action.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
We talk that we.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Haven't done any new orders to meet the elections fair
corin If.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
People want to find out more, they can go to
If people want to find out more, they go to
SAT one two three dot com. As far as your
emergency preparedness that you're heavily involved with, we're out of time, sadly,
and you, young lady, need to go rest your voice.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
God bless you, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
God bless you. Thanks for hanging in there long enough
for us to get that done. Fraudulent elections in New
York City, in New Jersey and Virginia, she says, yes,
and in California.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Scary stuff. Nine thirty News time at seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Meet the new City Council in Cincinnati same as the
old city council except for Victoria Parks. That atrocity went
away anyway. And the mayoral race, as you know, has
been called for f tab purevol for quite a while now.
And my friend Pastor Cory Bowman, who put on a

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brilliant campaign, just not enough turnout people who truly care
about the city to make a change and make a
difference that the city desperately needs. And around the country
more election results that are all favoring Democrats so far.
The race just called a New York City a communist,

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he calls himself a Democrat socialist. Zran Memdani is going
to win with just over fifty percent of the vote now.
Andrew Cuomo had forty one point three percent of the vote.
Curtis Leiwa had seven point five percent of the vote.
So that's forty eight point eight if my math is correct,

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and it seldom is to fifty point four for this
smiling piece of well, I'm not entitled to an opinion.
I don't live in New York City, but basically, what
seems to me to be an empty suit promising everything free.

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And as I mentioned earlier, if everything's free, then you
really don't have any freedom as an individual. Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba,
check it out, Communist China. To talk about election night,
a guy who's been on the inner workings of many

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a political campaign. He's been inside the Beltway in Washington, DC,
He's been to Frankfurt. He probably has a chair there
at some bourbon bar with his name engraved on the
back of it.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
He is our guest.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now, my friend, author lawyer Rick Robinson joins us. Hello,
mister Robinson, how are you.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Meet?

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Boss?

Speaker 8 (18:01):
Say, oh, boss, that's it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, I welcome to Cincinnati politics. I tell you what,
you gotta love that one.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
The wheel just goes round and round and round, and
the and the Gerbils still isn't is any the wiser anyway?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know you know what I love about that race.
The guy who broke into the house of the congressional
candidate Fisher was the day I can't remember. He's not last.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well in Virginia, the attorney general might not be the
guy who fantasized about putting bullets in the head of
the then Republican speaker of the House in the Commonwealth.
He was leading by a slim margin earlier, but a
split ticket in what is usually fairly blue Virginia. It

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may it may happen that that race has not been called.
As far as I know, the Attorney General's race with
Jay Jones, I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I do not think it has. I've been following a
couple of these races and I don't think that one
has been been called yet.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Who fantasized about putting ahead in mister Gilbert h putting
bullets in mister Gilbert's head and then having his children
die in their mother's arms as she wept.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
This is something.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
This is someone that people in Virginia, you know, still
feel inclined to vote for.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
That really doesn't fit very well on a bumper sticker.
You're right about you gotta. That's a lot of words,
you gotta. You put that on a bumper stick right,
you know, yard sign maybe you know, but yeah, that's
still just a lot of ready to do.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh God, who was a comedian who used to say
I'll kill you a million times?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's maybe maybe that's what he should have on his
bumper sticker. Jay Jones in Virginia. You had some Dick's
Dick Cheney stories you wanted to share and and I,
I think it would be an appropriate time post mortem.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Uh I got I got to tell you that there
a couple of times that with candidates that I was
working with are helping out or doing other things, Cheney
would come in and do these various you know, do fundraiser.
That was a big deal. I mean, you getting the
vice president to come in to things. And my favorite one. Actually,

(20:24):
my wife and I were laughing about this today because
we when we when we saw this. One of the
things you do when you when you get to the
point of of having somebody like that come in for
a fundraiser. One of the things that's very important is
you get a certain number of pictures. So when there's

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a line coming in, you know, and you know, you
got people lined up, you may get and fifty clicks
and if you're fifty one, you don't get a click.
That doesn't matter who you are. I saw Stan Airnoff
turned away one time in the air and off building.

(21:09):
Whoa he and it's funny. He looked at the secret
sers he goes, you know how I am? And the
guy said cigat Thursday. He said, yes, sir, you're the
first person in line that's not going to get a
picture with the Vice president. But we had this fundraiser
coming in and one thing do you do when you

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get these photo lines is you put somebody at click
zero you get the first picture, which when we would
run these for budding, it would be my wife, and
then we would put somebody at the back of the
line for click number whatever number we were arrest allowed.
So Linda is sitting there, and what is it interesting
in this particular fundraiser is that Lynn Cheney came to

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northern Kentucky as well because she hadn't seen her husband
for a while. He had been on the road a
campaign stuff. So they were meeting in Cincidati, spending a
couple of days here. She's clicked zero. She and Lynn
Cheney hit it off together. They have a wonderful time.
They're doing everything she's Lynn Cheney is telling her all
about her husband, the vice president, everything else. He comes

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walking around the corner and she goes and Linda, this
is my husband, my husband, the Vice President, Dick Cheney.
And Linda reaches over with such excitement at having a
Messa guy and having heard about she reaches around and hussy. Now,
one thing you don't do is secret hers around. What happened?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
What have I What happened to your wife?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, you know, you know after she was out of
the hospital. Seriously. The funny, the funny part of it
was like Cheney's reaction was like, hey, hey, que in contact.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So you never you never went hunting with Dick Cheney.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
No, I never went hunting with Dick Cheney. Always always
stay away from that. I there there are things you
things you do in politics and things you don't do,
one of which is don't go bird hunting with Dick Channing.
That's a bad idea. What a love to go one
fly fishing with him? Though he was quite the fly fisher.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I understand that being from from Wyoming and all of that.
A whole lot of that out there. Uh any other
Cheney references? Uh, what's the news of his passage?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's the same event of Another funny story is that
the influence of some people have is that everybody knew
during that time frame the contacts that Carl Linder had
with the Bush administration. And we're getting ready to put
on that fundraiser and I get a call from the gatekeeper.
There was a person in chan in uh Carl Linder's

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office that literally was known as quote the gatekeeper. Yes,
she calls me up and she said, you know, you know,
miss or Weather would like to come down and say
hi the vice president. And I said, you know the routine.
I'm going to tell the advanced guy what's going on,
and he's not going to allow it. She said, yeah,
but I'd like to try and get it through proper
channels first and then I'll figure it out. So I

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walked over to the advanced guy and I said, you know,
there's somebody that you know called him wants to say
hi the vice president of the courtesy. And he goes Rick.
You know, I did this all the time for the
vice president, and every place I go, somebody's the vice
president's best friend. And you know we can't let people

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back in the hallway to meet him without having been
clared and helps you. And I said, remember this conversation
in fifteen minutes. Fifteen minutes later, the guy walks up
to me and goes, who the hell is Carl Linder?
I said, why is that? He goes, I just got
a phone call from the White House yelling at.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Me what was I doing?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Int Carl Linder that I was to go out and
find him at his Rolls Royce and escort him personally
in the back room to say hi to dis Cheney.
Who the hell is this guy?

Speaker 8 (25:09):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, so you know it's that was one of the
things I kind of you know, that was one of
the proud moments where I guess, I'll look at him,
went told you.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
So, oh, so I will let you know that they
just called the race for attorney general in Virginia and
the guy who threatened to kill the Republican Speaker of
the House actually won that race.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
That this is just amazing bumper stickers. It's on a
bumper sticker. Yeah, you know, there were a bunch of
things and I, you know, on an election night, he
and I always talk about this, you know. You you
are so into the policy side. I am so into
the political side. And I always like to give you

(25:53):
the the five things that I'm watching, Okay an election. Yeah,
because you and I always disagree on this stuff. You
are kind of look at me like, please don't tell
me anything more about the horse race? All about the
horse race. So you know, I'm watching right now looking
up at the TV and seeing that Aftab has just

(26:15):
given his his victory speech. But I ran across an
interesting piece of polling this weekend and it was really
interesting to me to look at this polling and it
particularly pertain to me to the Cincinnati City Council race.

(26:36):
And the polling basically said, you know, we see all
this stuff going right direction, wrong direction. Suddenly the wrong
direction is taking over. Whose fault is that? You know,
Democrats are blaming Republican Republicans are blaming Democrats. But if
you dig down in this some of the polling data,
what the other thing you found is Democrats are pissed

(26:57):
at the Democrat leadership and Republicans are tested at the
Republican leadership, which brought me to Cincinnati City Council of going.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I wonder how the Charter Rights.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Will do well? Will they make any dent into all
of this? And you just told me that apparently that
apparently not, which surprised me. I thought, uh, you know it,
having such a background in Cincinnati at the Charter Right Party,

(27:30):
that with the problems going on in the city, here's
some people going out there. You know, you know Chris
Mithermin running as an independent. You know Steve Gooden, my
my poal used to practice law with him. Uh, you
know running as a charter right. I thought I'd have
an impact. I really did. And obviously no change. It

(27:52):
looks like in a city council.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, the change has to come from the voter obviously, unless,
as my Karen Clifford, who was on with me before
the news breaks, as the voting machines have to be changed.
But the change you can't blame an I disagree with
her all that. I don't know why you disagree. I'm

(28:16):
I'm all in favor of all paper ballots all the time,
hand counted.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
With All you have to do is look at one race,
is get heady race and gets thrown In Kentucky, paper
ballots are the downfall of them. They're the easiest way
to pick the race. I don't will save that for another.
We'll save that for another.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But no, you have to blame ultimately the voters. I
mean for not coming out number one. The turnout instance,
I don't have an exact figure on the turnout in Cincinnati,
but it usually is about twenty percent. And that's you know,
unless it's a presidential election. Unless it's a national federal

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election the president's on the ballot, then you have closer
to forty to fifty percent turnout in Cincinnati. But for
these races that should matter most to the local voter,
they don't show up. Rick Only the partisans show up,
the real partisan. But the average person, the average person

(29:20):
whose life is going to be adversely or positively affected
by the result, they don't show up. The guy who's
working a job, who has a family, who is struggling
to make ends meet, who's trying to just get home
safely every night to his wife. And you know, they're

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just trying to get home to their families, men and women,
and they see the carnage and the chaos every single day,
and they want to change. Why don't they actively pursue
change instead of sitting on their hands and ignoring it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
There used to be a guy in northern Kentucky who
was in the Republican Party who used to refer to
it as the recalcitrant Republicans.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, I mean Democrats, I mean even passive Democrats. Recalcitrant
Democrats don't show up. If twenty percent is all that's
turning out for a mayoral and city council race. That
means Democrats are staying home too, because they know they
got all of the diehards to carry their water for them,

(30:32):
and they'll be happy with the result no matter who
the person is, as long as there's a D in
front of their name. I think it's ridiculous. Just real quickly,
in the last few minutes, we've got rick other things.
You said to watch for.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Other things. Everybody's talking about New York. Who cares it's
New York. Put it to the side. It is interesting
that he's talking big, big national issues in a local race.
Better race to watch as to what's going on with
progressive mayor races. I look at Albuquerque mayor races. The

(31:09):
progressive mayor all nonpartisan ballot come under fire in the last, uh,
you know, several several years. Let's take a look at
that see if in fact he can you know, I
think he's gonna win reelection, but with what number crowded ballot.
Certainly going to has the shot in the crowded ballot.

(31:31):
But a much better race to look at on the
progressive local level, uh than New York City, Virginia and
California or Virginia, New Jersey. The interesting thing that I'm
seeing so far is that not necessarily that the Democrat
won in those or in those states. New Jersey is

(31:56):
a is a D state that will occasionally go are
in local races, but still a pretty strong D, say Virginia.
The same thing what I'm seeing though early on, is
that several counties flipped, especially in New Jersey. Now this
is backed by a very weak comparison candidate because you're

(32:17):
comparing it against the Harris campaign that although they won
both of those states, did not win with the margins
that they probably should have. But if you take a
look at it, a lot of those counties are flipping,
like to see what's going on there. And the final
thing is the and I guess the thing that I'm

(32:37):
not watching. I'm not watching proposition fifty. Why it's because
it's a point in time in a month, it could
be a different point in time. It doesn't tell me
anything about what's going to happen in future voter turnout

(32:57):
in anything.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, So even if the districts are in what Princeton
called the worst gerrymandering ever done in the history of
the country by their independent analysis of that that that's
not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm against first off, I'm against all of the redistricting
and that to get advantages in the terms. I'm against
it in Texas, I'm against it in California. I'm against
it if they try and do it in Pennsylvania, you
name it, where they're doing it. I'm against changing the
rules in the middle of thestry. I think that's a
bad policy. I think that's bad government. All right, But

(33:38):
you know, California, it's the point of time for them.
It has no indication as to where anything is going
to go in the next in the next election.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
All right, Rick, thank you so much. It's uh, it's
good to have a conversation with you again. It's good
to have you on tonight. It's good to talk to
you anytime. And my best will wish is for your
health and everything else that's going on. All right, bro, Oh, thanks,
cal I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Jim Ornacy will join us after the news, which is next.
It is the night camp about election night. I'm seven
under WLW all over but to shout, and we're going
to shout a little bit more between now and midnight.
Still to come the wild Man will join us and
Andy Ferman next hour and at the top of this hour.
I think it's important on election night to have somebody

(34:26):
who's actually been personally individually a candidate, somebody who has
skin in the game, like we all don't have skin,
and we're supposed to all have skin in the game.
That's why we vote and turn out, if we actually
vote and turn out. But as far as candidates go,

(34:48):
this guy, our next guest, has been on both sides,
the winning and the losing side. So to get some
perspective on what both of those things are like an
election night, let's talk to our friend Jim Reneesi, who
was a former congressman, businessman, and glad to call him

(35:09):
my friend, at least for the purposes for this conversation. Anyway,
mister Reneesi, how are you tonight?

Speaker 9 (35:17):
I'm good, I think gary better question is how are
we all tonight? As we see a lot of things
happening across this country which aren't good for Republicans, that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I don't know if they're not good for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I kind of tend to disagree with them being bad
for Republicans necessarily in the places where you expect Democrats
to prevail, and those places were all the signature races
that turned out well for the Blue people. And so

(35:55):
I don't know how necessarily damaging this is for Republicans.
You have a different opinion, obviously, tell me why it's
just terrible for Republicans that in blue states like New Jersey, Virginia,
and the bluest of the blue metropolis is New York City,
that a Democrat or a Democrat socialist winning is necessarily

(36:17):
bad for the Republicans as a whole.

Speaker 9 (36:20):
Well, see, I think those are the key races, but
I think if you look across the country, which I've
been trying to do, and even local races. I mean,
I'll give you example.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
In Wadsworth, Ohio. Yeah, the town I.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
Live in, three Republicans were defeated by three Democrats on
city council. One Democrat nobody even knows who he is.
All he did was sign a petition never was seen.
So what that tells me on local elections, especially something
like that, is people the Democrats were more engaged, Republicans

(36:52):
were more laxa daisical, which that's always what happens to
voter turnout is very low across the state of Ohio,
a whole other issue, and you know, I think Republican
enthusiasm was missing. Yeah, these these Democrats were expected to win,
but the margins also were pretty strong. I mean, fifty

(37:16):
six to forty three on the Virginia governor's race, and
let's not forget that Virginia was a Republican governor.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You know what's also curious to me is in the
polls previous two election day in Virginia, fifty seven percent
of those polled approved of Glenn Youngkin's job as governor.
Virginia has you can only serve one term at a
time in the Commonwealth of Virginia. So he wasn't termed out,

(37:46):
Younkin wasn't He just couldn't run again because he served
his term. I guess he could come back for another
bite at the apple in four years if that's what
he wanted to do. But people were generally very happy
with the job he was doing his which that's a
curious thing.

Speaker 9 (38:02):
To me, Well exactly, and I think that's that's probably
from a national perspective, that's the one race that is
probably more should be more concerning for Republicans. But again,
look at the numbers.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's what's scary.

Speaker 9 (38:19):
The Virginia governor fifty six forty two. I mean, these numbers,
the lieutenant governor fifty five forty four. These are not
close races. And yeah they're blues, they're blue states, but
they were blue states with a red governor. So that's uh,
that's that should be concerning. And the attorney general, the

(38:40):
Republican attorney general who everybody said was.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Doing well, Jason Myer.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
So yeah, Jason Myers lost to Jay Jones, a guy who, uh,
in any kind of right thinking society would have had
absolutely no shot to be the top law enforcement officer
in this date. After threatening or fantasizing about putting a
bullet in the Republican Speaker of the House's head famously

(39:07):
or infamously, and watching fantasizing about watching his children die
in their mother's arms, and this guy got elected to
the position. I find that just shocking.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
Yeah, well, I think we're going to see that. I
do think there is a you know, it happens, It
always happens on the midterms after a Republican or Democrat
when the presidency, I mean, Republicans have to get engaged
I hope this is a wake up call. But like
I said, I think what we're going to find across

(39:43):
the country is that we're going to see a little
bit of a minor Democrat wave on the local races.
Even your even your Cincinnati mayor's race didn't appear to
be very close at all either. So again you start

(40:04):
putting all these pieces together. Yes these are blue areas,
Yes these are blue counties, Yes these are blue states.
But you know, we've got we've got a Republican House,
or Republican Senate, or a Republican House of Representative, Republican president.
You would think there'd be a little wind behind the
cells to at least keep these things a little closer,

(40:26):
and they weren't. So that's the concern I have. But
I really the big concern is turnout, turnout, turnout. I
think what we're going to find, you know, yeah, in
Ohio it's going to you know, four years ago it
was a kneemic, and I think what we're going to

(40:47):
find in looking at these races, it's even worse. I mean,
turnout was up here in Northeast Ohio was about a
half of it was two of what it was two
years ago and two years ago with the naming, so
people did not go out and vote. And when that happens, whoever,
who whatever team gets the most voters out wins. And

(41:09):
I think that's that's a little bit of the concern
I have as well.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
You say two years ago, but I mean last year
obviously in the national election, we had major turnouts in
Cincinnati and many places around the country. But you can't
just turn out for the presidential elections. You have to
show up all the time. And you're right about the
apathy of Republicans seemingly dominating this particular particular off year election.

(41:39):
Are these aren't even the midterms? And like you said,
maybe this is the wake up call so there's not
a blue wave next November and everything switches over in
the House, in the Senate. I think that the Democrats
haven't done themselves any favor with this continuing government shutdown.
And you told me a month ago that or almost

(42:03):
a month ago, that the Democrats were winning the messaging
on the government shutdown.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I don't believe that's the case certainly, now do you still?

Speaker 9 (42:13):
All I can tell you is the polling still shows
a larger number blame the Republicans and Donald Trump. Then
they blamed Democrats. Now it's close, but it's you know,
it's like fifty five percent blame Republicans and Donald Trump
and four forty three percent blame Democrats. So I think
in the end it's leaning more to blaming Republicans. But

(42:35):
here's what'll be interesting, and I've been saying this in
some of my other appearances on radio and even my commentary.
Today will mark the day that Republicans and Democrats come
back and they will reopen this government. My opinion is
very quickly. They wanted to see Many people wanted to

(42:58):
see what happened with these elections. But now that this
election's over, there's not much to talk about except getting
back to work. And I'm hoping that we see an agreement.
I see Republicans and Democrats are working together in the Senate.
I'm hoping we can get this government open because the

(43:21):
longer it stays close, I'm telling you, the people who
get the mass or the independence, and we did talk
about this and the independence are blaming Republicans right now
more than they're blaming Democrats.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm amazed that somebody who calls himself an independent is
that misinformed of facts, because when you see the Democrats continuing,
people like Schumer continually time after time saying we can't
shut the government down, and then does it because he's
afraid he's going to get more flack than he got

(43:58):
last March when he agreed to keep the government open
from the far left wing of his party. And do
you think that Mandani signals the fact that the Democrat
Party is being taken over by Democrats socialists or communists.
Many people are pointing to that, and I think it's
a real distinct possibility with the popularity of the squad

(44:20):
and everything else that we've seen in the Democrat Party
over the last five to six years, maybe longer than that,
that they lean continually more and more socialist.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
Well, I think that the polling that I've seen shows
that most people in New York City just wanted somebody different.
He is definitely different. And I have also seen polling
across this country that shows most people want outsiders, somebody
that is not known. You know, he fit into that

(44:56):
category as well. So I think you're going to see
more and more about it across the country. People are
fed up. I mean, let's face it, I think the
majority of Americans are fed up with their federal government,
their state government, their city governments, and they're looking for
a fresh face, a new face, a likable face, and

(45:16):
he just seemed to fit the bill, even though he
is a Democrat socialist.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I mean, if you talk about controlling the means of production,
that's communism, Jim, no matter what he calls himself, that
is flat out communism. I heard somebody else talking about
being in the old Soviet Union back when and drop
Off was then the president of the USSR, who of
course was formerly with the KGB like Putin today, and

(45:47):
talking about how the constant rationing because you know, it's
a worker's paradise every you know, it was five cents
or whatever to grab a ride on the metro in Moscow,
but if you wanted a pair of shoes or clothes,
they would do these big drop offs in the middle

(46:09):
of the marketplace, and there was no accounting for size,
there was no selection. There was nothing that we have
in this country or in free trade or free enterprise
capitalist countries where you have a selection of anything. You know,
It's like ma'am Donnie's talking about these government grocery stores
in New York City and everywhere those have been in

(46:31):
the United States have failed miserably. But people just here
free and they think that that's freedom. And that's I
think a part of the education that needs to go
on for the electorate in this country to make especially
younger voters a gen Z voters, understanding that free stuff
is not freedom.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
There is a distinct difference, don't you think.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
Well, absolutely, and you and I can agree on that
all we want. The problem is you just said that
the gen Z's don't see it that way. They don't
see the opportunity for the American dream. They don't see
this quick road to success, and of course their roads
to success normally is they want to do it in
two or three years. I kind of wish I could

(47:18):
have done it in two or three years, but it
just didn't work out that way. But in the end,
I think we're all going to learn some lessons and
there will be ups and downs, and you know, it's
the cycles of elections that we seem to continue to
have the only thing that concerns me more. And by
the way, I do believe that happened tonight across the country.

(47:40):
I think there was a lot more younger voters got
out and voted as well. You've got to remember many
of those voted for Donald Trump. So lots of things
to look at. Even though this is not a midterm election,
that should give pause to Republicans and again we should
learn from it at one year to get prepared for

(48:02):
the midterms.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
In New York City and many other of these Democrat enclaves. Jim,
you don't have to show an ID to vote. Oh yeah, no,
I agree, and you know that that's something that needs
to be corrected on a national scale.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
Somehow, New York has is a world in itself, and
let's face it, they have not had the most conservative
Republican mayors. Of course, this is an extreme one here,
but it's one of the reasons why Corporate America quite frankly,
has moved out of New York and New York City.

(48:39):
And I think what we're finding is Dallas, Texas is
becoming the new capital of you know, marketplace and world
in New York and I'm sorry, United States businesses or
moving to Dallas, Texas, so we may see more of
that as well.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Oh and if you were in New York, wouldn't would
you want to keep your business there, No.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
I'd rather go to Dallas, and I think that's As
I travel to Dallas, I find that Dallas is more
of the business capital of the United States now, and
I think a lot of it is because of who
they are electing in New York City. But again, I
see this as a little bit of a wake up call.
I hope Republicans realize that they cannot be anemic. They

(49:25):
have to get out and vote. I don't think it
would have changed things in New York City, but I'm
telling you of the other states, I think it would
have been a little bit closer than it ended up being.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
All Right, Jim RAECI thank you so much for your time,
as always, my friend, and I really do appreciate you
being on with me.

Speaker 9 (49:43):
Oh problem, Thank you. You have a good evening.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Hey you too, sir.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
After the news break, we'll have open phones, and I
have some thoughts about stuff that's more important than elections.
Phone lines open on this Tuesday evening nightcap on election Day,
Gary Jeffer yep by one three, seven, four hundred d
big one numbers haven't changed the callers have over the years.

(50:10):
I remember a time when if you took a call.
Somebody was number one ready to go on the air
because they had something to say. They thought it was
important that they had their voice heard, either agreeing with
the host or disagreeing with the host, or just maybe
something else they wanted to interject. And I would welcome

(50:34):
any of those. But today we have callers like Frank.
I don't know Frank. Frank's said he was from Western Hills,
and you never know. But Frank didn't want to go
on the air, which is kind of curious. Why would
he call the line if you don't want to go

(50:56):
on the air. That's the whole point of having a
talk line. So the forum is open for you so
you can express something that you think is in put.
You're listening and you want to participate, you want to
add your voice to the chorus or to the descent. No, Frank,

(51:17):
and that's fine. If you don't want to go on
the air, they don't call. But he did have a
question for me, and I guess I'll address it. Since
Frank didn't stay on the line and didn't want to
go on the air, what will New York City be
like under Muslim law or Sharia law? Well, that's certainly
not anything, ma'am Donnie has directly said, because that would

(51:42):
scare the bejeebers out of people, even in New York City,
if they thought there was a possibility, If you thought
there was a possibility of Sharia law being implemented in
our biggest city, amazing, But I guess anything is possible

(52:07):
when you have a Democrat socialist who was not born
in this country, who is Islamic, and you wonder about
those big enclaves of Islamic populations elsewhere in the United States.
And of course it's happened in other countries. It's happened
in London, England, It's happened other places that you normally

(52:29):
would not think would be subject to Sharia law necessarily.
But we live in a country that is ruled I thought,
by the rule of law, i e. The Constitution of
the United States, not Islam. Or you know where there

(52:52):
are honor killings. Well, I tell you what. The Queers
for Palestine movement during all of that Rigamaroan colleges across
the country, the anti Semitic protest, the Queers for Palestine
always amazed me because if the Queers were in Palestine,
they wouldn't be living long. Yeah, Don in Newport is

(53:14):
on the line. Don, Hello, how are you this evening?

Speaker 5 (53:18):
That's good?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I like that. That was awesome.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
So yeah, Gary, I just can't believe ye live on
the in Newport, very close Cincinnati, and we like to
go to Family Market, you know, on Sundays.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, I was there. There are a lot of Bears.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
Fans there that were that were there and I think
I don't think I was home for more than a
few hours. And I think four people shot or four
different shootings.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Right right in there.

Speaker 10 (53:50):
Didn't that happen like last Sunday?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Well, you know what, that that'll make somebody from Chicago,
I guess feel right at home.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Well, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 10 (53:58):
Maybe maybe they maybe they brought they brought it with him.
But I mean, it's just how can you possibly explain,
help me understand how it's possible that people living in
Cincinnati can think that this is okay.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Well, what's amazing for me, Don, is that right across
that little expanse of river things, it's a night and
day difference in northern Kentucky for the most part.

Speaker 10 (54:32):
Rob Sanders was you know, I listened to him with
Willie all the time. Yeah, it's a different It's like
it's like two different country, you know, North Korea, South Korea.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, it really is. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Don In that short short period of time, you just
go across the bridge and it's like you're in a
different country almost.

Speaker 10 (54:52):
Well, you know they were, they were so offended and
just taking it back. They they couldn't believe that when
the people stormed the suspension bridge and blocked traffic, the
offerers actually did what they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yes, I know, you know they I.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
Mean they beat you know they it looked like it
looked like something if you were to see it on tape. Hey,
that's police brutality, you know, like in Cincinnati, probably the
cops would be going to jail instead of the people
that were causing the problem.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Well, and as Rob Sanders said in the aftermath of that,
done keep that on the north side.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Of the river, right right.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
Oh, it's just hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'll tell you something. I moved to Cincinnati in nineteen
ninety four and moved up from Middle Tennessee in the
early nineties. Moved from Cincinnati in nineteen ninety four, and
then I moved across the river. I lived in Cincinnati
for six years. I moved across the river to Newport
in March of two thousand and I've never looked back.

(55:58):
And I was just amazed at the change over, just
you know, a quarter of a mile across that that
span of water, and it was amazing to me. I
instantly felt at home. I felt more safe, I felt
more welcome, and and I'm in basically I'm in the

(56:20):
same city, but I'm not.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Uh, listen, enjoy enjoy your trips to Finley.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I hope you still can, and I hope you and
your wife and others are safe when they come over
to downtown Cincinnati. I generally am not doing anything in Cincinnati,
but driving through it up to Kenwood, that's just me well, well.

Speaker 10 (56:43):
It's you know, insadly, I think it's going to be
one by one again where the you know, the businesses leave.
I I do a little bit of a screen printing
and h laser engraving with some hats and I had,
you know, make Cincinnati safe again with the skyline in
the back and makes it nay great again, because really

(57:05):
there was a time when it was I mean, look
back to Charlie lucandas.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Oh no, it it is such.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It's full of really wonderful people overall, and and it
has so much to offer. It's it's sad that it's
being so poorly mismanaged. In my opinion. Thanks for the
phone call. Do go to jam and Amelia Amelia. Does
Amelia actually exist?

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Jim?

Speaker 7 (57:32):
Well, the village doesn't, but Amelia does.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
In your heart. Amelia exists anyway. What's on your mind? Jim?

Speaker 9 (57:43):
Well, first of all, you.

Speaker 7 (57:45):
Know, I voted an Amelia for this for the cops
and the nts in the mental health thing, and I
think that was a good thing. Well, what I want
to know is, like from the left and the right,
who decided that you have to put your headphones on

(58:05):
the left side or the right side? Can you reverse
your headphones? So it sounds really good if you reverse
right and left. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I'm not quite sure I do understand what you're saying,
but please continue. It's interesting at least even if I
don't understand what you're saying. So you're telling me that
I can take my headphones off and flip them over
to the other side and it's going to be just
the same.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
Well, I think it does, because, like I don't understand
who decided that my headphones had to be on the
left side on the right side. Why can't I reverse them?
I don't understand that. Who decided?

Speaker 6 (58:47):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
You know what, Jim, I think you do what you
want to do in the privacy of your own home.
If they're your headphones and you're you're listening to your
headphones by yourself, you you do whatever you want to do, Okay, I.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Just I just didn't know if you knew who told
you know you're going to put it on the left
side on the right side. I don't. I don't get that.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Did it make a difference, Well, there is a left
channel and there is a right channel. If you're listening
to something in stereo, if you're listening in mono, it
makes absolutely no difference.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Jim, thank you for calling, Raphael and bond Hill. Good evening, sir,
Good evening, Gary.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
Jim.

Speaker 11 (59:34):
A few moments ago, I think you were talking about
Mondamine up there in New York in the election. You
mentioned some things about Sharia law that.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Actually another listener had asked, what New York City is
going to be like under sharia law, and I said, well,
and I heard that.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, that's that's the only thing I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
In fact, that is is not it shouldn't be possible
in the United States of America because we're all under
constitutional law, not sharia law.

Speaker 11 (01:00:08):
Now does that And that's what I was going to
chime in on specifically, and in the United States, the
Constitution is that the end all be all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yes, it is. It's the law of the land.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
That's what sets us apart from other countries that have
constitutions in paper, but they don't mean anything from one
regime change to the next. In our country, we're consistently
under the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and it
was written not for groups of people, but for the individual.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
And does that Constitution apply to someone in the White
House blowing up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela
without notifying Congress of that actions, or providing proof to
go Americans like you and I, or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Or sending missiles and bombs as President Obama did and
the President Biden have to other foreign countries without permission
from Congress. The president does have certain executive authority powers
that do include occasionally and sad as it has to
be the case of taking care of threats to the

(01:01:26):
United States of America. That is his his that is
his his charge, his commander in chief. Sometimes you take
you that's not an active war necessarily, it's an act
of protective safety for a country. If he, if the
president or the commander in chief believes that those drug
boats are an immediate threat to the United States, yes,

(01:01:49):
he does have that power.

Speaker 11 (01:01:52):
How many of those boats have reached the United States
prior to being blown up? I have no idea, hopefully
none should he should he have idea and present it
to the American people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Well, I think would be a fantastic thing if the
American people were all together and the Congress actually wasn't
so divided that they would uh, they would agree with
the commander in chief that those things are a threat,
those emanating from Venezuela and Colombia, the drug cartels are Ah,

(01:02:29):
what is it? An immediate and a clear and present
danger to the country. I wish Congress would get on board. Yeah, sure,
that'd be great.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
It would be amazing if that clear and imminent, immediate
danger would be Hey, if he believes, isn't it so much?
Just present your evidence but then again, I'm just gonna
call BS owner Jerry Garrett, Jeff, you know, no, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And you're entitled to your opinion. I gave you mine,
right and I think and not everything I don't rubber
stamp is as good everything this president or any president does, Raphael,
I will differ with them on policy issues right and left,
but I happen to agree that the threat of fentanyl

(01:03:21):
and the drug cartels that have been controlling these other
countries and have thought that they had control of our border,
which they did under four years of Joe Biden, It's
time that they learn a lesson. They're not in control
of our border. We are not Mexico or Venezuela or
anybody else.

Speaker 11 (01:03:39):
Well that fentanyl. Is it true that more fininhal comes
across the border of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Canada and they are interdicting that too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
They just haven't had to blow up any They haven't
had to blow up any dog sledge.

Speaker 11 (01:03:53):
Yet, right there, right And in China, you know, we
hear talk about China and the fittin off. I guess
with the the knife hand in hand relationship with President
Prime Minister President g I guess that's Fitton a thing
kind of just in the Chinese that goes on excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I guess it absolutely was not excused, and it absolutely
was talked about in the latest summit in South Korea.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Apparently you didn't hear that part what.

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Was said during that summit about fantanaff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Well, I wasn't there, but I know that everyone who
was said that fentanyl was addressed with g when President
Trump met with him.

Speaker 12 (01:04:35):
And should the American people be made privy of what
was talked about in specifics, maybe about fentanyl since it's
killing so me Americans from China.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, you know what, I don't think that the president
has the has the the charge of telling everything that
he talks about to world leaders, to the public at large,
or to our enemies, or to the press. Raphael. There
are certain things that, yeah, we don't need to know

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at the time. I appreciate your phone call, and I
see where you're coming from. I just I don't believe
that President Trump has to tell you everything he's going
to do before he does it. I think that's been
done way too often in American diplomacy with our enemies

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and our foes around the world and our friends even.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Is there somebody else that wants to get in real quick.
Nick on the West side, we're running out of time
in this half hour. I will tell you this. The
election in Cincinnati is over. The races in Virginia, New Jersey,
and New York City have been called. If you're a
Republican or you care about things from a conservative point

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of view, not a good night, no question about that.
But these are isolated cases. The most important thing you
can do as a citizen of this country, and when
you have the opportunity to do, is let your voice

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be heard. Whether you agree with the current administration or
disagree with the current administration, whether you want change or
you want the status quo. When you have the opportunity,
you've got to go out and vote and let your
voice be heard. Whether you're me, a Raphael or Jim

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from Amelia who can't decide which side of the headphones
he's going to listen on. When you have the chance
to let your voice be heard, you got to shout
it from the rooftops. Because we have that ability in
this country, and a lot of other places like Venezuela

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or Cuba or Communist China, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
We do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
We're so blessed by God the wild Man on the
other side of news at eleven o'clock and the four
ball will join us before we're done tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
And two yet another hour of his Election Night Night
tab Gary Jeff Walker. As we get into the dregs
of the day into our final hour, I thought we
would take a break from some of the election coverage
because everything is all but decided. News will keep you
update on any last second results that we get. It's

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been a huge news day obviously, with the ups plane
crash in Louisville. Three dead, they are eleven injured, and
just a fiery ball of well you probably have seen
it by now. I was shocked, as most people were,
as the plane didn't even make it off the runway
in Louisville at Mohammad Ali International And then of course

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elections around the country including Virginia, New Jersey, New York
City which is now a full blown communist state, and
the city of Cincinnati probably not too far behind. But
with that being said, how about an hour of sports
for the out of sorts And this guy is always
ready to sort out how out of sorts he really

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is about any number of topics. We bring back in
the sports commando the one and only wild Man Walker. Hello,
wild Man, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
I'm doing good, Gary, Jeff. I did my part today
as a outstanding citizen and voted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
See I didn't know you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I didn't know you lived in the city of Cincinnati.
I thought you lived over on the east side, maybe
in andrewson Er.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
Yeah, I live technically right on the verge you know,
of Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
So yes, So did you vote illegally?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Then vote?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Did you vote legally?

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Okay, I'm voted legally.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Vot it's it's supposed to be a private, a secret ballot.
But who'd you vote for for mayor?

Speaker 8 (01:09:05):
I'm not going to tell you. But where do you
think I would vote for mayor? Who would you think
I would vote for mayor?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Well, my guess.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
That's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
My guests would be probably not have tab pr vall.
My guest would be got that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
Talk about it clueless. We out a touch persons.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
As opposed to a son of God and a pastor
named Corey Bowman, who I have supported the entire time.
The thing is, if the city of Cincinnati cannot turn
out in an so called off your election for the
most important position in the City of Cincinnati, the mayor
when public safety is the primary issue along a course

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with public services and protecting people. If they cannot understand
that it's time for a change, then I don't know
what what's happening.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
I just threw up my hands. I threw up my hands,
and they, like you just said, they don't understand it's
time for a change or something wrong. I mean, how
dumb can you be? How dumb can you be?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Move on?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Okay, all right, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Let's talk about some sports stuff here in our last
hour tonight, wild Man, First and foremost, I want to
get your take on the World Series just concluded this
past weekend. Of course, been a few days now that
had the parade in Los Angeles. I guess yesterday, Oh yeah,
the victory parade and Magic Johnson's happy. The Dodgers again,

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literally the best team money can buy, have purchased themselves
in another World Series. Your thoughts as you look back
on a seven game classic.

Speaker 8 (01:10:45):
It was a great World Series. Game six and seven
were one for the ages. The Blue Jays have nothing
to be ashamed of. In fact, they're probably kicking themselves
as they had a number of opportunities to win the
World Series. At play at home, Will Smith barely got
his foot on the home on the plate when the
runner was coming home. And I mean you look at that,

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go back and look at it. If the guy would
have had a better lead off third base, which I
still don't understand, bad fundamentals. Right there, the Blue Jays
would be celebrating their third World Series title. What the man,
let's give it Dodgers, Let's give it to him man,
Dave Roberts. He made some great moves there. He put
that outfielder out in the centerfield pass past guy. I

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think at this Tanpascas, something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Pat.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
He also brought in Ya Momoto.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You know the pitch.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
I mean, he made some great moves.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Well, and you know y'a Momoto's pitching on twenty four
not even twenty four hours, rest right right, pitching another
classic in Game six.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
It was amazing, And there were two incredible plays at
the plate by both teams in that last inning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I mean it was I couldn't believe. I said, didn't
I just see this last inning it happened to go
what the hell?

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
But but the one for the Blue Jays and the
guy had a better leadoff third base because the third
base when Wilson guard name, you go back and look
at the film, he would have scored, he would have
scored in the series, would have been and would have
went to the Blue Jays. But it was a great
World Series.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
It really was, no really, and it's the first time
that I have actually watched and cared about a World
Series in quite some time. And I wasn't disappointed on
Saturday night. I was maybe disappointed by the ultimate outcome,
but I wasn't disappointed with the entertainment value and the
quality of play because it was top notchi. It was

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deserving of the last game of the season, There's no
question about that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
Well, the only thing that disappointed me with the Dodgers
winning the World Series. They finally broke the street that
the Reds had being the last National League team that
went back to back World Series in seventy five and
seventy six. Before that, it was the twenty one to
twenty two New York Giants, so that record had stood
for a long time. Now the Dodgers have that record.
I mean they kept talking about it hadn't been done

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in ten years. But if you go back to the
National League and been done some seventy five seventy six
and that was the Reds.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
What about Terry Francona getting some postseason nods?

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Is you know? I like he has no chance.

Speaker 8 (01:13:11):
That goes to Pat Murphy. Pat Murphy hands down, Pat
Murphy hands down?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
All right, But I mean it's still it's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 8 (01:13:18):
The Brewers aren't messing around either, Gary jem I will
tell you right now. They've already said bye bye to
Wilson Contreras. They've already said bye bye to Rhys Hoskins,
and they've also said bye bye to Gwincna, the pitcher.
So they got something going on. They got something going
on up their sleeve that they're preparing for this season.
They just slash some big time payroll there. Do the
Reds have anything up their sleeves? Wild Man, that's the

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question as of right now. I don't think they're going
to go out and spend spend any big money, No
doubt it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:47):
I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
A lot of people have said this to me, and
I agree. I think the Reds out of trade Hunter Green.
His value has never been better. Hunter Green's never going
to pitch a full.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Season for us.

Speaker 8 (01:13:57):
Let's be honest with he hasn't yet. If he hasn't now,
he's not going to. But he would even bring the
red something in value they have because they've got plenty
of pitching now. The Reds are stepped, were stacked with
starting pitching, and I would dangle out there, Hunter Green.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
To see what they could possibly get. Well, here's here's
a question. Let's switch sports, wild man. Do the Bengals
ever get another full season out of Joe Burrow at quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
A lot of people have questioned this.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
Well, you know, Joe's had every injury known the man.
I mean, it's just that he's just unfortunate. I mean,
he didn't have any of those injuries in college. But
a lot of goes back to the to the old
line not protecting them. I mean, Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow
is gonna play, and he's gonna play next year. He's
not gonna play this year again for the one million time,
Gary Jeff, anybody thinks that Joe Burrow's gonna take a

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snap the rest of the season with this lost season
or out of their mind a turn too. Injury takes
a year to rehab. If you don't believe me, go
call Deon Sanders and ask him he had to retire early.
He had a great career, You had to retire early
because of a turf toe injury. Joe is not taking
a snap the rest of the year. And if you
want to talk about the Bengals, Okay, they traded. They

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traded Logan Wilson, a linebacker. Would they get a seventh
round draft pickles? They didn't get nothing. They really didn't
get nothing. And Logan Wilson had fell out of favor
with the with Al Golden and their.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Defensive scheme, and that that's why that's why he wasn't
That's why he wasn't playing. Trey Hendrickson is exactly. Trey
Hendrickson isn't going anywhere. Were you surprised about that? I mean,
they could have maybe gotten something for Trey.

Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
They maybe they could have got something for Trey, but
I think they're they asking price is too high. I
think they asking price is too high. And even if
if he won't be here next year, but they'll get
a draft pick for him to be signed with somebody.
So that's why they're holding that card back. They won't
franchise tag him. No, they won't franchise tag him. No, no,
I'd be very surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
All right, So somebody sent me this on AX after
Sunday's meltdown, a second meltown in a row where the
Bengals should have won a game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
And here it was the post on X from a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
The Bengals had kick off return for a touchdown, a block,
field goal, on side, tick recovery, five hundred yards of offense,
two wide receivers with one hundred plus yards, fifteen points
scored in less than a minute, forty two total points
scored and lost.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
How does that happen?

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
What about the what about the dumb play? Lining up
wrong on off side on the block on the field
goal that the that they that they missed? Yes, I
dj ivory. How do you line up? How do you
line up wrong? That cost the Bengals big time? That
cost the Bengals big time. And of course I got
to get this in here, the touchdown that won the

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game for the Bears. That receiver was wearing number eighty four.
Guess you war number eighty four for the Bengals. Bob Trumpy,
Bob Trump, he wore number eighty four and here and
Bob Trumpy, you know, had passed earlier in the day.
I'm watching this guy eighty four tight end the ball
beat the Bechels.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
I'm going on, was it the spirit of Bob Trumpy
that caught that ball in the end zone against.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
The Bengals live?

Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
I think it might have been. And I'm really, I'm really,
I'm really sad that that Bob Trumpy did not did
not get the recognition that he really had deserve for
being one of the best tight ends in Bengals history.
There are two of the best tight ends in Bengals
history should be up on that wall, Bob Trumpy and
Rodney Holman. Rodney Holman holds the career record for most

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receptions by a tight end with thirty six touchdowns. Trump
he had thirty five. Rodney Homan played on that Super
Bowl team and he gets no recognition. Tyler Eiffert might
have been the best ever, but he couldn't stay healthy.
But Bob Trump, he should have been honored, And now
he probably won't be. He might be, you know, coach
Kim Riley, but I really doubt it. But Bob Trump,
he should have been honored as part of the Ring

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of Honor. And now he's not going to be well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Not well. He's alive, he may be posthumous.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
And the one thing about Bob Trumpy, he created sports
talk in his town. He will always be the king
of sports talk. Might not like them, agreed with him
a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
But he was.

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
He was great at his craft and he did great
on television. One of the great stories, Gary jeff I'll
never forget about Bob Trumpy. He had some old guy
call him up one night and said, Eric Davis. You know,
this was early in Eric Davis' career and Eric Davis
had got hit right and almost into cononas right on
the side. This guy said to Bob Trumping it was

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Pete Rose's job to make sure that Eric Davis had
a cup on. And Trumpy's laugh, which was you could
hear him when he laughed him to a shake windows
Trumpy about fell out of the chair laugh, and that
this old man said that it was Pete Rose's job
to make sure that Eric Davis wore a cup.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
I only met Bob Trumpy a few times and talked
to him extensively a couple of times back in the
Mount Adams days, wild, and yes, he was quite the
care character.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
He had great stories.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
He's the one that told me about his pinkle teammate
Mike Reid on his way to becoming a hit Nashville songwriter.
And he told me the original story about Mike Reid
telling him that Mike had been on the road for
a couple of months traveling and performing, you know, when
he was trying to pursue the music career after football,

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and his wife was upset because Mike Reed had been gone.
And he said, Mike Read's wife said, you're like a
stranger in this house. And Mike Reid said, hold on, honey,
in the middle of the argument and went and wrote
that song Stranger in My House for Ronnie millsp And
it made him, he said it was he said.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
He told him that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Mike Reid said it was the best argument he'd ever
had with his wife. It was perfect. But Trumpy And
guess where most of our conversations took place between me
and Trumpy the few we had out on the smoking
patio in Mount Adams.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
Because he smoked like afraid train I know he did. Afraid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
He was relentless man.

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
Did you did you ever read his book? That he
wrote years ago. A great book, A great book by
Bob is it?

Speaker 11 (01:20:10):
Is it better?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Is it better than wild Man's book?

Speaker 8 (01:20:13):
It's it's right about but it's probably right about dead even.
That's right about dead even.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Yeah, So tell me, tell me something about the Trumpet
book that makes it a great book.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
Wild Man, Well, it's he just didn't well, he did not.
He did not mince words with the Bengals front office.
He had not not not bad things to say, but
he was very critical. He hadn't made him No, he
did not hold back, and that was that was great
a him. That's like me when I got in the
radio business. I never held back. I had a free
reign to say pretty much what I wanted to say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Trump He did it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:46):
Trump is, you know, shot from the hip, but he
told it like it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Why do you think I have you on the show?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
So you know we we have Willie.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
Willie always says, I speak truth to power.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
We haven't heard yet about your reaction to and again
it's been a few days. We're a little long in
the tooth because I don't have a show every day.
But you wanted to talk about UC's Football's demise at Utah.

Speaker 8 (01:21:12):
It was they.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
I mean Utah was favored at home against the Bearcats,
and we saw. Why any any comments on that loss
for UC.

Speaker 8 (01:21:23):
Yeah, what what film you have of it? Throw it
in the trash and forget about it. I mean that
was just everything that could go wrong did go wrong
for the Bearcats. They had penalties, they couldn't drop passes,
it was just everything. They were out of sync. From
from I could only watch like the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I had to turn it off.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I said, this is you know, this is terrible. I'm
gonna sit.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
Here subject myself to watching this scarbage. And again, you know,
it's only one loss, and they're seven and two. They
got a shot at winning ten games. They're going to
go to the ball. They got BYU coming in here.
They got a couple of their tough games, but just
throw this one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
You know, every team has a bad loss in every team,
every team has a bad loss, So that attraction, forget
about it, No no doubt about that, Okay, wild man, Well,
I think we've covered everything except basketball season has now
officially begun, and every team of note around here wound
up winning their opening games resoundingly. U see Xavier Nku.

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I mean everybody was a winner pretty much.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
Yeah, and I need a program for right now when
I'm watching UCM Xavier goes, I don't know any of
those Scots. Well, we had a bear Cat, know any
of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Bear Cats have a freshman I can't remember his name
who was had eighteen points in his debut and it
was the first bear Cat freshman to ever score that
many points in a debut.

Speaker 8 (01:22:43):
So well, he's got that going for. It's a long road.
It's a long road. I mean, who they play Western Carolina?
Come on, man, I mean, hey, that game is over
in the first quarter. I turned it on and then
I've watched the first quarters that I've seen enough, Like
lou Bonella would say, that game was at Xavier had
to you know, we're taken to the last, you know,

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the last minute of the game before they got rid
of Marist and that k you might have played might
as well played little Sisters of the poor playing West
you see West Claremont. I didn't even know they had
the team. Come on, that's why are you playing a team?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
And somebody, somebody said there was hardly anybody at the
Xavier game either.

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
That looked empty and the Miami RedHawks. You know, I
forget who they played, but they won. But like you said,
everybody won. Basketball season is here. Can you believe it?

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
It is here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
It's about time, all right, wild Man. That's the way
the ball bounces tonight. Thanks for your contributions on our
special election night nightcap, and then those races are pretty
much all over. But the crying, and there's probably some
crying going on in places, but wild Man, thank you
for not crying.

Speaker 8 (01:23:52):
Well, I haven't started crying yet, but I might.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Well if you're living in if you're living in Cincinnati,
you might have good reason. Wild Man and Furman is
coming on next as we continue our last hour together
tonight on seven hundred w LW. Because I don't have
a whole lot of opportunities to be with you on
these airwaves, a couple of nights a week, maybe Saturday mornings,

(01:24:18):
which I love, by the way, but because our time
is limited and I consider our time precious together, I
feel like it is my duty to bring you consistently
the finest guest when I do have an opportunity on
the night caps, and when I can't find one of
those finer guests, I can always call Andy Furman. I'm

(01:24:40):
kidding now, Andy, Andy, this may be and you don't know.
I don't know, nobody knows, only God knows. This could
be the last time we ever have a chance to
talk together on the air, because there will be nobody

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that has a parade if you and I never talk
on the air again. Andy, Maybe maybe maybe somebody laws,
maybe some corporate bean counter perhaps, but other than that.
So I relish the opportunity once again to go ted
to Ted Mano oh Mano with the fur Ball on

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a Tuesday evening. Welcome to the Nightcap Election Edition special, Andy.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really glad to be with you. You
know that I look forward to these little chats every week.
I just have enough time to get my blood boiling
and then I just hang up on you, which is great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
It's a good thing, and I don't dwell on it much.
But I think we need to touch on the Bengals
because I really think to some extent, all of a sudden,
now has Dupe Tobin become an idiot? I mean really,
I mean these people wanted to come forth and speak
what is he going to say? And what is the
media going to write, so I don't go the distance.

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You know, when you're in the thick of the storm,
you just jump on board with everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
One media person says it's Duke Tobin's fault. You know,
he's to play a personnel guy, and another person, oh yeah,
and the next person all the way he needs to
speak in his choice says, why we know how big
the team is, and certainly they're partially responsible to him.
But I think all roads head back to Zach Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Thanks number one, number number.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Two, number two. Duke Tobin has been there like for
like nineteen twenty years. All of a sudden, now he's
become an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
I mean, back off just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
They're bad players that have not messed together. Loun and
Romos should have been there. Still, I think Zach Taylor
basically has been a poor choice of assistant coaches and coordinators.
And I'll leave you with this and you can tell
me if I'm right or wrong on this. The biggest,
biggest problem the Bengals have always had has never hired
a big name coach who has had NFL coaching experience.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Let's take a quick peak.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Let's take a look Zach Taylor was not even a coordinator.
He was a quarterbacks coach. I'm not saying there's not
the name of football, the game of football, but you
need to have a guy that when walks into the
locker room, commands that immediate respect. And Forrest Gret was
one of the only coaches that did. Dave Schult did not,
Bruce Kosa did not. You know, perhaps some extent that

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maybe Sam Weise did. I think Marvin Lewis did because
I remember when he was hired.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
What did he do?

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
He walked into the clothhouse and he walked into that
first news conference and I was there, and he sewed
up that Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl ring. He walked into
an instant credibility.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
No one else has ever done that. On that Dango's team, well,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
They had Dick Lebau for a season, and Dick Leabaux
one of the most successful defensive coaches in the history
of the league when he came here from Pittsburgh, and
he went right back to Pittsburgh after, you know, having
his tail between his legs after that fiasco.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
But Dick Lebau, I think commanded some respect, don't you
think or should it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
I think it's very difficult when a guy moves from
an assistant or a coordinated to the head job. I'm
the same team. I think that you could go because
you're a different relationship with the players, your buddy buddies.
You're in the coordinator, you're in those little team meeting rooms,
and you're not overseeing. You're not the guy that's changing
or molding the franchise or trying to get the culture together.

(01:28:21):
You know, the head coach doesn't do much teaching, but
he brings everybody together.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
That's what he does.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
And it's a difficult thing for a the coordated to
do that, and b for the players to see a
change in the guy who is your buddy buddy, who's
like your confidant, and now he's like, you're a leader,
and it's a different feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
It's very difficult.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Many even in the workplace, is difficult. Don't you think
that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
I've heard some people say, and I can't disagree with
them at all, that I believe it's obvious Zach Taylor
has lost the locker room. And it goes to the
point that you're making commanding respect and deserving earning that respect.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
From the players.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
And I just don't think that there's anybody in that
Bengals locker room who's looking to Zach Taylor for leadership
because they haven't seen it out of him the entire
time he's been here.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
You know, you could tell a leader from a mile away.
And when it comes to coaching, I would say this,
most coaches know their game that they're coaching, Otherwise they
wouldn't be in it. I mean, they know the exes
and those I don't talking about football, basketball ever they are.
But there's a difference between a leader and a guy
who just controt to be a teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
I don't give you an example. Wes Miller, the basketball coach,
and you see not a leader.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
He may know the game, he may have been great
on the interview, I don't know why he did, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
And he came from a program there was really a
small program, a lower level Division I school, and he
had some success there. He has not had any success whatsoever.
You see, they have not made postseason play since he's
been there, and I got to believe that has a
lot to do with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
His leadership qualities.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
I see you on the bench, I could see it
actions that could see the way he acts. I just
I know he's not a leader. Bob Huggins commanded respect.
I mean when he had his first news conference, I
was there, you know what he said, and someone asked,
what do you expect you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Growing pains and how long it's going to take.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
I expect to win now, that's what he said. You
know well said that Kirk Signetti when he was high
from James Madison to become the football coach at Indiana University.
What do you expect, Kirk? I expect to win now,
you know what he did. Indiana has a chance to
win the national championship of football. Isn't that crazy three
years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
But you're crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
No, that's that's completely true and completely nuts all at
the same time. With IU football, and if they weren't
playing in the same conference with Ohio State, you could
make an argument that they're the best team in the
Big Ten. I still think the buck Gys are and
I think the buck guys are more likely to win
a national championship than the Hoosiers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
But they got a they got a puncher's chance to
do that. They are really, really good, no.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Doubt about that. I will tell you this much.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
I mean, one of the reasons why James Franklin got
fired as a coach at Penn State not because it
was one of most records. You know, certainly he couldn't
beat the Big ten teams, He couldn't beat the top
ten teams, and his record was horrendous against top ten competition.
But the fact that he just was not compatible, he
wasn't friendly, and that hurts, you know what we else
it heard that hurt coach Brian Kelly at LSU. There

(01:31:27):
was some talk now and I've read these reports that
he didn't even know names of the players on the team.
What that's how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Now, how can I know you've got seventy or eighty
athletes on some of these major college football teams. I
get that, But how do you not know the names
of players that you helped recruit that you're coaching every day?

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
I don't know. I just don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
When I read that, I was shot. And the point
is that he just sort of went his own way.
And you know, again, his record was not that bad.
I mean, they expect a lot of LSU, but this
record was not a bad record, and he just look,
he started off like a fool trying to have that
that Cajun accent that the news conference, and he was hired.
I mean, you don't do that, you know, I mean,

(01:32:13):
that doesn't endear you to the community. It really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Like a political candidate who suddenly is in a church
in Atlanta and starts sounding like she just came off
the plantation. I'm not naming any names, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris. Uh,
but yeah, there's there's a lack of authenticity to all
of that, and real matters to people, you know what,

(01:32:37):
as much as leadership, as much as leadership and uh,
commanding presidents matters. In sports, authenticity matters because the players
can tell if you're a phony or not, just like
the public can tell usually if a politician is phony
or not over over a propensity of time with with it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
You know, the evidence gathered in a campaign.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
You can tell if somebody's a real person or not,
or if they're putting on an act, if it's a performance.
And obviously the thing you noted about Brian Kelly is
that was performative theater. It wasn't real. I mean, Brian,
Brian Kelly's he's a Midwest guy period.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
You know. And here's the thing. I mean, I think
that these coaches, when they get hired, I'm not so
certain the athletic directors do a great background check.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
They usually hire these.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
These agencies, these companies that kind of do the interviews,
and they come back and say, here's the guys two
or three by the being bit a bang go ahead
and hire them. You know, if you're the athletic thirty,
you do your homework. And you see the way he
left the University of Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Any part of this guy. Those never part of the community.
He just left like in the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
Middle of the night. You just you don't do that,
and he just left Cincinnati. Hang in the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Remember that it was terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
It was a bad football weekend for me all the
way around. Andy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
I mean, uh, the Bangals obviously they're not my primary team,
my primary team or the Kansas City Chiefs. And they
got beat during the regular season by Buffalo again. They're
now one in five against the Buffalo Bills in the
regular season. The good thing is that they're four to
oh in the playoffs in the postseason against the Bills.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
So I mean and the Bills usually collapse in the
playoffs anyway, so you don't worry about so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
And then the Bengals loss, and I'm down in Tennessee
on Sunday visiting my parents and they had to deal
with another Titans loss that looked like it looked promising
from the beginning, and that poor woefull NFL team in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Gosh, I'm great.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I'm glad that I don't live there. I mean, at
least the Bengals have done something.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
You know, I alwould say this, and I'm not saying
I'm a guy I lost at the bright side of
things all the time, because I could be pretty hard
at times as well. But you know, I still would
rather have a bad football team in this city that
have no football team, really, because you know, you're a
lost city without an NFL franchise. I mean, I think
I can live without Major League Baseball, I really do.

(01:35:10):
I mean, I love the Reds, but but then something
will be rough. You know you're right about that, But
I don't know. I mean, without football will be really tough.
It will be tough on an NFL team here, wouldn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
And the Bearcats lost down the road at Utel, which
which a lot of people expected, maybe not the Bearcats
players yet And and my Vanderbilt Commodores went into Texas
that it had an up and down season up to
this point with a very famous named quarterback, young quarterback
arch Manning at the helm against my guy, Diego Pavia,

(01:35:44):
and it looked like Vanderbilt was going to get absolutely
shellacked too. But that comeback at the end when when
they score and it's a three point game and then
they almost recover the on side kick at the end
with like seventeen seconds with a chance to win. That

(01:36:05):
was an exciting football game, but again very disappointing for
me ultimately.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
But I still think they have a postseason played. They
can be in the college football Tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Oh absolute no. They're six two in the SEC.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Tennessee. They got a big game against Tennessee. They got
to be Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
They got to beat Auburn, they got to beat Kentucky,
they got to beat Tennessee. They do all that, they'll
have ten wins on the season and they going to
a major bowl game, or they could be in the
College the twelve teams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
They could.

Speaker 8 (01:36:38):
I'm not really they will be.

Speaker 9 (01:36:40):
I really think they will be.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
And it's amazing with that school is dumb because you know,
for years I thought that school should probably be in
the IVY League with schools like Brown and Colombian, Penn
and Princeton. Really well there academically sure their.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Admission their admission standards are about the same as opposed
to the other SEC state schools where you got where
you get it. You get a two point zero and
you just barely made a see and said, yeah, he's
he's a genius.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Put the criminal justice.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
I mean, it's it's kind of crazy how they even
got into that conference with those schools. Don't you think
that there's nothing common them, right, I mean there's no
common thread between those those schools that and then really
maybe they brought them in to bring the average GPA
up in the league well or to.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Get a guaranteed win for teams like Alabama and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Maybe that was no, no, no. So anyway, just not
a fulfilling college football weekend for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
And I'm trying to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Well, you can't because of what I did. And for
some reason, I turned I turned the game on the radio.
I don't know why I didn't turn on the tea
for some maody. I turned the game on radio, and
next thing I know, in the pregame, I'm here that
Bob Trump he died.

Speaker 8 (01:37:57):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
I was out of town, that's right. There was no TV.
I was driving and I had the radio and I
was listening to the iHeart app. That's how I listened
to the game. And I heard Dan Hoard and Dave Lapham.
I said, what Bob Trump he died. And all the
reports I had read it never said what he passed from.
But obviously it could probably something that was smoking, because

(01:38:17):
he was it was one hell of a smoker. I mean,
I remember back on Third Street, the three D S
Fourth Street, we had our studios that play looked like
a steam room.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
I was just I was just going to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
When I first came to Cincinnati in nineteen ninety four,
our studios for ninety two point five FM, where I
initially worked here, were down in that in that little
building there, and I think KRC was there and that
their studio looked out over the river. That's where Jerry
Thomas sat and did his show before they moved up
to Mount Adams too, and c k Y was in

(01:38:48):
there and Trumpy would tape the sports talk coming up
leading up to a Bengals gamer afterwards, and in that room,
in that room, they had a big conference room, as
you remember, And you're right, yes, that was the weirdest
color of yellow I've ever seen on glass quarrels.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
And Trumpter was constant. He didn't stop, he didn't put it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
The second the cigarette was out, another one was being
lit and it was Bob And I just imagined the
poor people in the room with him just sett further.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
You know, you couldn't or wouldn't, were fearful of even
going to him to say can you please put it out?
Because he gave you two words, two letters, F you
that's what he would do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Well, you can't, No, you.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
Can't, and you can't spell.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
You can't spare spell Furman without f you. So what's
wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
F you?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
But anyway, continued story.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
No, But but I'll say this one thing about a
tremendous broadcaster, a hell of a career both football and broadcasting.
But again I would say this, he had one hell
of a presence and he can't be viewed as as
a bully. And he also had a good heart.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I will go that way.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
But I remember one time when Randy Michael's our program director,
and I was down there. He asked Bob to read
the school closings.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
During the winter months.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Yeah, and he says, I need to read the school closings.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
I mean, never came to the staff meetings.

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
No one expected him to. But again, at that point
in time, when I first started at seven hundred, I
mean I would think sports took his show was maybe
sixty seventy percent of the total revenue of the entire station,
which doesn't rule out the fact that he shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Be part of the staff, but he never really was.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
And so when Randy says, please, you know, not please,
but you need you need to read the school closings,
he says, I don't read school closings. And then they
got into it, and I remember Bob took Randy against
the wall and lifted him off the wall and he
had his throat by his shoulders. It was crazy, and
Bill Dennis in the segment read the school closing. So look,
I would say this a tremendous talent, both on the

(01:40:51):
field and football, and certainly it's a shame that he
won't be in the Ring of Honor and out when
he's alive and he should have been. That's another story.
But I think that again, to some extent, I would
have to use the term maybe he was very difficult
to coach, a little uncoachable. How was that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Maybe, But you're right, larger than life presence. Back to
the coaching coaching thing we were talking about at the
inception of this conversation. Bob Huggins, Bob Trumpy, Uh right, Bobby,
Bobby Knight.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
These are people that when you have a party and
they walk into the room, everybody stops and turns around
and doesn't say a word. Yeah, certain people might that
he's one of them. I would think like Rick Beatino
would be one of those guys, you know, Bob Knife
for sure, Bob Huggins another one.

Speaker 12 (01:41:36):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:36):
I'm trying to think of a coach here now, in
this in this town that would have that kind of presence.

Speaker 8 (01:41:41):
I don't think there is one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Does Sparky kind of have that presence for the Reds.

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
I was not here when Sparky was here, but I
would assume he did, right. I think he probably did. Yeah, leadership, well, example,
Tito may have that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Yeah, I'll give him that. Bill Jackson with the with
the bulls and the lake. I mean he had that
kind of commanding the room.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
You know, in the years and coaching here in Cincinnati,
how would think Pete Gillen did.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
I'll give you that with with with with that rivalry
between UC and Xavier that existed at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Gill Gillan had to have that kind of commanding presence
just to match Huggins, right.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
You know, you know it wasn't forced. It was it
was in the DNA. They had it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
That's what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
And it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
It's great for the authenticity, authenticity. We've we've come full circle. Andy,
thank you so much for rounding out the show. We
appreciate your help tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
I'll see you sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I hope this wasn't the last time, because I think
we can do better. That's that's the fur ball on
seven hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
But l W