11-10-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott talks with attorney Steve Goodin about a lawsuit that could destroy development downtown. Also Geoffrey Gilson explains why the US is gearing up to attack Caracas. Finally Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose calls out his fellow Republican for aiding corruption.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you want to be an American?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I do not remember the last time we had significant
snowfall this early in November, but we're dealing with that.
We are here, Chuck Ingram is here. He's on his
eighty fifth cup of coffee. And it's pretty to look
at out the window, but not so much when you're
sitting in traffic with a lot of people are this morning.
Keep you updated The progress here is the storm should
be done like around noon or so. We'll see in

(00:25):
the meantime. I hope to keep you informed, entertained, and
I don't know, thought drunk, as the case may be.
This is interesting to start the day to day while
the government shutdown looks to be winding down. We'll get
to that a little bit later on, of course, we'll see.
I'll believe it when I see it, Like you this
locally though, this is a case and the potential are
to destroy development downtown and undue investment in a couple

(00:46):
areas of downtown related to crime. Not to rehash that,
but it ties again. There's a lawsuit that's going on
right now in Cincinnati. Common inquired a great job laying
this thing out yesterday. Jeff Ruby, caller entertainment. As you know,
their original location the old Art Deco place on seven
hundred Wallna Street. When they moved to the new digs
across from Fountain Square, they turned that into the Lampeka

(01:08):
Event Center and they're also their corporate headquarters. And I
had an event there, a wedding not too long ago.
It was absolutely stunning. That's why I was shocked to
learn they're pulling out. So Ruby vacated the corporate offices
and that space just a few weeks ago, and the
original leases were set to expire in twenty twenty eight
and twenty thirty for the offices and restaurants respectively. And

(01:28):
the concern was over a safety downtown safety and basic
security measures were not being fulfilled allegedly by town properties,
including the security of entrances and visitor check ins and
on site security and building safety protocols. And there were
bullets and windows and unarmed robbery across the street and
all this noise. And they said, okay, we're out because

(01:48):
of the crime. And if you think about it, if
the court sides with the Rubia on this one, this
is really going to overturn. The apple Cart joined the
show this morning. Is longtime attorney and student. All this
stuff is. Steve Gooden joined the show this morning on
seven hundred wlw are you, Steve?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I'm snowed in absolutely shot.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
How are you well that whole that whole inch of
snow has got you got your sheltered in place?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Huh? I'm overreacting purposefully to this today.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yes, sheltered place orders for the inch of snow. Yeah,
but you know it's pretty now unless you're not sitting
in it, I suppose in traffic right now than your
anger as hell, I get it.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Before we get to this though, you lost your attempt
to win that council seat and voters choosing to keep
leadership all democratic in the city. Is it over for
balanced government? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (02:36):
You know?

Speaker 6 (02:36):
I think it is for the time being, Scott, I mean,
you know, I mean, look, we we we had a
bizarre scenario in this you know, where we had some
polling data that showed, you know, a lot of the
challenges myself included, had better name i'd than the folks
who ended up winning, which is a weird circumstance.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
We knew on the issues, you.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
Know, we were right there, but at the end of
the day, it's slate voting. You have low turnout and
people who are voting one hundred percent Democrat one hundred
percent Republican.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And and that's just kind of how it is.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
At the moment. Everything is about national politics. Local issues
don't really seem to be breaking through. All of the
messaging that we saw from the Democratic Council members and
the mayor was all about Donald Trump and MAGA and
so forth. And basically the message was if you don't
return a one hundred percent Democratic council, you know, Donald

(03:31):
Trump will win in Cincinnati, which is of course, you.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Know, absurd.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
You know, they ran on things like snap benefits and
things that were national issues over which city hall had
no control. It's kind of like what happened in New
York with Mondami.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, you know a lot of.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
What he you know, he pushed or things that are
you know, whether you agree or disagree with the policies
he's presenting, they're things that are well outside his control
jurisdictionally and legally as a as a mayor. I mean,
you know, he's promising things that only the federal and
state government can deliver by law. So you know it, look,
it's it's predictable. You know, we kind of saw what

(04:07):
was happening a few days out. You know, it's a
it's a little bit of a better pill. Frankly, when
you know that on the issues and in terms of
who you are, you know, you know it's the right
We did the right thing and we think by raising
those issues, we absolutely did the right thing and we
certainly moved some things in terms of the issues along,

(04:27):
I think at city Hall.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
So no regrets. But uh boy, the snow is pretty
does Scott.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's the snow got to marsin that election day. We
probably have real problems the after effect. Even the snow melts,
it still scares people. Yeah, I I you know, we
I prefer a divided government. I preferred divide of government
Columbus to be quite honestly, it's not about the GOP
winning everything. It's about restoring some sanity in our government.
So hopefully better days are ahead. It doesn't look like

(04:55):
it right now.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Though.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Let's segue to the case at hand. If the court
sides with the Ruby in this town, pretty thing. Could
that establish a precedent for commercial real estate like especially
in urban areas? And then it becomes hey, Listen, crime's
killing me right now. I'm seeing a reduction in business,
or I feel threatened, or maybe I just want to
get out of the lease. I can claim in adequate
security and get out of this thing. That that would

(05:16):
be devastating for development, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It sure would?

Speaker 6 (05:20):
And frankly, I don't know what a court's going to
make of what the Ruby group is claiming here.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, they really.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
And I have attacked Town Properties in their lawsuits saying, look,
we told you we were having issues here. We had
an employee who got robbed. We had a bullet, you know, fired,
you know, a stray bullet apparently, but still the idea
that there are straight bullets in the heart of downtown
business district is a horrifying thing.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
But one of our windows got hit. We kept digging.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
We've had car break ins and the lot next door
with our employees, and we've asked for beefed up security measures.
You didn't provide them, so therefore we should get out
of the last four to five years of our lease.
Town Properties actually has filed a countersuit, including a claim
for defamation, based upon some of the statements.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Jeff Ruby's daughter Britney Ruby Miller made in.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
A press release or a press conference about the whole
situation in which they basically said, look, you're you know
you're impugning us falsely, and you know you're saying things
about our security and about our building that just aren't true.
There's lawsuits going both ways right now. It's kind of
hard to tell from what we know so far, you

(06:32):
know who is right or who is wrong, or whether
it's some mixture. Also, what Town Property says, which is
very interesting, is they're basically saying, look, you your events
base just wasn't doing well.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
The business model.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
Isn't good, and they've all but accused the Ruby group
of using the safety concerns to get out of their
lease early. So this one's really ugly. But you're right
if indeed a court rules with the Ruby Group and
you can start using and business owners can start using
safety protocols as a means to breach a lease prematurely,

(07:04):
you know that that is going to be open season
downtown for people who are whose businesses are not doing
well in part because of the crime. And I will
say this, I've heard from some of my friends who
are who own smaller restaurants and barbershops and a hair salon.
Some of them are down thirty to forty percent since
this look rash of shooting, yeah, happened, particularly the group

(07:25):
on the grouping of shootings there about three weeks ago
on Fountain Square. So it is a very tough time.
It's not only is it not safe at certain times,
it's it's it's the perception is even worse. So yeah,
but no, you're absolutely right. If the Common Police Court
does side with Ruby, this is going to be a
could lead to an exodus of people downtown.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, And you know, it's not to say, I know
some people believe that, you know, Mexico starts south of
Red Bank Road. It's not true at all. Are plenty
of areas, sinc An editor, that are safe if it's
just a couple of neighborhoods in particular or in certain
times a day or not, and then those are exacerbated.
We talk about it, people start to fear it and
it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is unfortunate. But you know,

(08:08):
the way this whole thing has been handled, which is
why you ran and many others ran too, is to
reform how crime is handled in the City of Cincinnati.
And yeah, I kind of get what Ruby's doing here.
Maybe the model wasn't working because of that though, right,
because people aren't coming downtown because of what we're talking about,
so indirectly it's crime. I wonder though, too, if this
were successful, would that could this spill over to the
residential lease game as well, and people are afraid of

(08:32):
I don't know, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna break my
lease with my apartment and my condo because I don't
feel safe anymore. I would see that as an extension
here too, and then the wheels really fall off. But
in reality, Ruby says they made repeated police or security measures.
What I guess what evans would they need to prove
the town is negligent there? And outside of town's control,

(08:52):
they don't run, you know, the police department of the
City of Cincinnati. So what control really does a landlord have?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Well, and that's and I think that's part of their
legal problem, you know, factually speaking, you know, if if
the security measures aren't built explicitly into the lease, that's
you know, town property will have a pretty good defense there.
And again we haven't seen the lease, the lease these
commercial leases tend to be you know, very very detailed,
you know, one hundred pages long and so forth. So

(09:22):
I would be a little bit surprised if, you know,
if there's something in the lease that would really give
them these the ability to demand these security protocols.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
That go above and beyond.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
And again, you know, the Ruby folks have had their
headquarters there and have been in that building for decades
so and things have really, you know, really changed there
over the years. I mean, you beck in the early
two thousands and we had an uptake in violence like
this before you know, they were able to weather that
and that was the Town Properties building then. So I
think that will come very much into play. How the

(09:56):
last time we had an issue like this, but also
what's really happening now is unprecedented. You know, the city
officials still want to argue about the numbers, whether the
crime is up or down overall, but we know in
the city but we know it's up. It is up,
particularly in the downtown business area district. It is up
in over the Rhine, is particularly up in northern over

(10:18):
the Rhine. And we also know the quality, not just
the quality, but the quality of the incidents that have
been occurring, had been horrified, and we've had shootings during
business hours, you know, including the one on White in
front of the Ruby restaurant at the Foundry was at
you know some you know, one was at seven pm,
one was at five to eighteen pm in front of

(10:38):
the Federal courthouse.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
So you know, it's not like you.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Know, when I was a prosecutor twenty years ago there
were horrible shootings downtown with they tended to happen at
two three in the morning. We're talking to people leaving
their offices and hearing gunfire. So it's a it's qualitatively different,
and I think that's something at court we'll have to
kind of grapple with somehow. No question from the record
they submitted that with the lawsuit that the Ruby folks

(11:04):
were asking for additional security. No question that they had
employees who were passled, robbed and just generally had the
cars broken into and so forth. But you know, I
could also see a court very much saying, hey, it's
not explicitly built into the least that you get this
additional security, and I'm sorry, you're on your own and

(11:25):
the town properties folks just have no real control over
the crime.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Steve Goodin and the filing Ruby v. Tom Properties. Ruby
said they spent two hundred thousand dollars annually on private security.
Is that to help hurt that case?

Speaker 6 (11:39):
It's sort of it cuts both ways. I mean it
also you know, it shows that they were at number one.
I mean, it shows actually that that they were doing that,
and I have no doubt. I mean I was just
not long ago at the downtown Ruby's restaurant, the main one,
and you know they had armed security out front, you know,
because you know, they've apparently had some issues also at
their flagship struct in terms of violence and muggings and

(12:02):
employees being handled.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
And so forth.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
But the flip side would be, like, you know, I
could see count Properties turning that around very quickly and saying, well,
you've known about.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
These security issues for a while.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
You've been providing security outside the lease on all your properties,
and and frankly, based upon what Jeff Ruby, Jeff Ruby
churches for a stake, apparently they're still turning the profit.
So you know, last if I was down there, it
was not a slow bill.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So you know, I'm gonna have the I'm gonna have
the Chris collins Worth top with litigation. Thank you new Bok.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The two hundred thousand
security investment, it suggests that Ruby's had responsibility in this
to some degree too as well. And also from what
I read, was there an evidence was there any evidence

(12:53):
that they presented any request to uh notice a default
or before they left the premises, attempt to cure I
think is the term, in order to make sure that
they asked and said, hey, look, can you take care
of the stuff, and they weren't responded to. But I
didn't see any of that in here, did you.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
And look, it's not unusual in a lawsuit like this,
you know for those kinds of things to be provided
in discovery if the case goes along, but.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know, it doesn't.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
It looks like this all came together relatively quickly, you know,
over the course of just a few weeks. Really, if
I'm if I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the
security concerns have been around for well over a year,
but the negotiations in the back and forth did seem
to be in a pretty tight timeframe. So no, I
did not see that, and I think those are all issues.
If that did not occur. Those are things that we'll

(13:40):
go into Town Properties favor from a legal standpoint, so
you know, we'll have to wait and see on that.
But no, there really isn't much of a showing that
they had a significant negotiation here over that, which is
and it's it's very typical in these large commercial leases
that you don't just you're not able just to pull out.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
You know, you have to try to. You know, you
have to at least give.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
The landlord a chance to fix things, which is the
old you know, cure provisions as they call it. So
you know, well we'll see what's there. But yeah, this
is the lawsuit is pretty thin on that in that department.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
And not only that too, this has also reflected the
broader issues downtown is homelessness and street crime and the
changing nature of downtown alike as well, outside of the
scope of anyone except for government.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, that's and that's right. I think you're going to
hear a lot from town Properties on that on that
specific point. I mean, I mean, we know that downtown.
I mean, look, this is something not to shift back
into campaign mode, I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
To act like that never happened, but we're gonna.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Act like, uh, but the I mean, we know the
police the saythek Police Department is understaffed. We know the
understaffing is particularly fell downtown.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's it's it's you know, it's it's.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Very, very difficult to have true beat policing with the
staffing levels the police department has.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
At the moment.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
I mean, I mean we know that, you know, they
have a compliment that was set in two thousand and five,
which was a radically different city at that point in
time in terms of attractions, and I mean there was
no developed over the Rhine, then there was no TQL Stadium,
then no Brady Center, then fifteen thousand, by any estimate,
fewer residents than So the idea that we're going to

(15:22):
take a compliment set from that time frame in terms
of the police department, and it's two hundred short from
that number and actually expect to have beat policing downtown,
the officers out of their cars walking, you know, it's
just not mathematically possible.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
The officers we have.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Now are by and large, you know, dedicated to responding
to emergency calls.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's all we have.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
And if you see an officer out on the street
on Government Square, Fountain Square.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Chances are they're being.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Paid overtime or it's a private detail for a restaurant
like we just and it's really not a good way
to do business.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
And that's where we.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Slip into what I call this kind of third world vibe,
where it's like, if you're a business that can afford
to hire an off duty police officer, you're in great shape.
If you're a small business that doesn't have that kind
of Jeff Ruby budget, then you're in a bad spot.
And that is that is not the way we are
supposed to do things, and that's not a sign of
a healthy city.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, no, only that, I mean if landlords become liable
for crime in and around the building in the city,
imagine what insurance rates would do, and there'd be properties
that are uninsurable and then the landlord has to hire security.
I'd be a good lord. The rent down town would
be absolutely ridiculous. So I kind of see which way
the court's going to lean here, But you never know
he is Steve good an attorney at law, break and
hold this whole thing down. When the quite honestly, development

(16:40):
and the progress Cincinnati's made in the last twenty plus
years is in jeopardy with the decision in this case
and whenever that comes on, but they'll probably settle as
they often do, and life will go on. He is
Steve Good and thanks again to joining Budy. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Have a great one anytime, Scott. Take care, Take care.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I've got to get to a news update here in
the very latest on the roadways and can you imagine
this kind of me see out there, chuckle, have that
for the forecast when the snow ends and more to
follow slowly seven hundred WLW Here we go, slowly on
the big one, seven hundred WLW. A bit of a
mess out there today, as you heard from Chuck, and
looks like it's continue through lunchtime hour and then maybe tapering,

(17:18):
tapering by like five o'clock. So yeah, it's gonna hang
around a minute and big day of Our producers drove
down from the Dayton area and they said's a lot
worse up there. So but I know we've got a
few couple more hours of snow left here in Cincinnati
pretty early for us on this tenth day of November.
For sure, unexpected, well mean unusual, let's put it that way.

(17:38):
It was amazing, is me. We talk about this every year,
and folks just simply lose their mind when there's snow.
I could if you're new to the area or even
lived here for a long time. It's the damnedest thing.
I don't know why we freak out and can't drive
so well when we have a little bit of snow.
I could see if you live in Dallas or Atlanta
where it's pretty rare. Sure there you gonna freak out

(17:59):
there you to it. Oh, here we get significant I'm
not significant, but a decent amount of snowfall every year.
And just unless we just forget that, you know, the
overpasses our slippery. I don't know, I don't know. It's
just one of those things that make it. Ah, I'm
about living in Cincinnati, but hey, that's you know what,
of all the things in my head, they're like, Okay,
that's a negative. That might be close close to the

(18:22):
top of the list, but that you know, and if
that's like near the top of the list, it ain't
all that bad, you know what I'm saying. You know
what I'm saying. All right, we had.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Also, the other thing I want to point out is
the new trend with the climate terrorists and not really
knew it's been a couple of years.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
My laugh.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Every time I see it, it's like this morning we
have in the newsroom, or generally sit and have my
coffee chat with the boys and the girls. They have
the local news on see what's going on. Of course
they have now the ability because of technology, to have
cameras and cars at all times, you know, so they
live stream the drive around. So the drummer in the
city showing what the roads look like in real time.
And yeah, it's one thing if you were heavy rain,

(19:01):
where there's flooding or there's a lot of snow and
you look at it, go okay, it's a different perspective
rather than standing on the side of the highway next
to the salt Dome on seventy five, which we're due for.
I don't know, maybe somebody did that. Today we may
have our first what we would call the assault Domes
stand up of the year for TV station. Now they
drive around to scare the helly I walked to like, okay,
here's what the roads look like. Yeah, it just started snowing.

(19:23):
There's nothing, the roads are dry, there's nothing to see,
but that's part of it. Got to get you worked
up in little Ladder. It's good for Kroger. Kroger needs
the business. Go get your batteries, milk and bread before
I run out with the inch of snow.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
We're kidding.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Also, I just had Steve Goodnan not talking about the
election necessarily because that's old news, but rather than the
effect of crime downtown that you lawsuit with Jeff Jeff
Ruby against town property. I think it's to be really interesting. Now,
typically these things get settled anyway, but now do you
imagine what would happen if Ruby's group won that, Because

(19:59):
if you're a landlord down town, how hard would it
then be the lease in urban areas? And this across
the country as well, because it's the president, but specific
in Cincinnati, how are it would be the least and
get out of lease for that matter? And what would
happen to commercial rent and anyone wanting to develop downtown?
And what pretty much ended would it not? Because if
you know, as a landlord myself a much smaller scale,

(20:23):
now all of a sudden I'm charged with being the police.
And in a way, that's the problem I had with
landlords being held liable for the behavior their tenants to
some degree, and that you know, if they're having a
party at three o'clock in the morning and it's a
noise violation or being loud or whatever it is. How
I don't understand how the hell I could be responsible
for the actions of a grown adult. I mean, they're leasing.

(20:45):
Here's the terms of the lease. You can't make noise,
you can't do this, can't do that. Okay, great, you
know I don't live next door to them, and I
know it's about targeting the out of state landlords. But
you know, again, it's a vacuum and people are buying houses,
and whether you like it or not, that's the name
of the game. US are big companies, but it seems
kind of punitive to me a whole them responsible for.
You know, if it's look at this way, if you

(21:06):
come peeling down the street in your car and you're
doing fifty and a twenty five, that's not on me,
that's on the tenant who's driving that way or parking
illegally or whatever it is. But when it comes to
those kind of violations around that, I could see if
it's you know, building code or something like that. Properties
in decline, there's weeds, gutters are falling DOWNE sure absolutely
effects quality there, but I hate that it gives landlords

(21:28):
a bad name. But when it comes to their individual behavior,
they have an allowed party or something like that, Like
that's not really my concern. You can let me know.
But I you know, when we started doing that, and
this kind of opens the door for that too, is
how far is expected that the landlord in this cantsdown
properties be responsible for crime around the in this case
Ruby's restaurant. You know, if landlords become liable for crime

(21:52):
in and around the buildings, and insurance costs goes through
the roof, and there's going to be a lot of
abandoned properties because a lot of those are going to
become uninsurable and so now you have to hire your
own security firm to guarantee safety, and those costs gets
passed on the tenants and be unlivable downtown. So I
don't know. That's that seems to be really slippery slope
in my opinion. Anyway, looks like we are close to

(22:14):
but I'll believe when I see it. The end of
the shutdown, the Senate reaching a deal last night to
fund the government late last night. So we're what forty
days right now after the shod longest shutdown in history,
and it started out as theater and then gradually starts
to affect people. So, for example, my brother and sister
law were traveling this weekend, got jammed up in the airport,
and it was a good time. And of course, you know,

(22:36):
that's minor compared to the folks who have run out
of staff benefits, and of course federal workers who go
on paid and the list goes on. So it looks
like they're going to reinstate all government employees laid after
the shutdown. Everyone gets full back pay. And John Thune,
the Republican Senate majority leader, says, we're going to promise
a vote to extend affordable healthcare the ACA subsidies later

(22:57):
this year as well, will promise a vote, no guarantee
of outcome there, but if indeeda said okay, well, we're
going to at least fund this for another year our
live superiod of time till we can come with a conclusion,
meaning we'll kick it down the can down the road again.
The funding package will go to the House for consideration,
and maybe the thing will be done and just a
few short hours, if not days. But one also goes, okay,

(23:17):
we shut this thing down for forty days, You're gonna
pay all the workers. You're gonna get your back pay.
SNAP is going to be restored. We're going to extend
the Affordable Care Act. What the hell was the point
of shutting this down for the last forty days, one
may ask, and that would be the central question, the
inefficiencies and neglect of our government, the people we send
to do our bidding. Also too, something that kind of

(23:42):
broke late on Friday is President Trump wants to hand
out checks pall. Hes're a politician, right, It's like, well,
the things are going unless they're paying people off. You
may get a two thousand dollars tariff dividend. They're calling
this according to his post on truth. Social will take
that with a grain of salt. The dividend will be
paid to everyone except high income people. And so this

(24:05):
is on the heels of I think it was Josh
Hawley introducing legislation over the summer or last term, I
guess to give a six hundred dollars tare freebay to
nearly all Americans independent children, and the Secretary Treasury said
our priority is paying down with now the thirty eight
trillion dollar national debt using the tariff revenue. Okay, so
the math on this math doesn't really math out because

(24:27):
so far through quarter three, three quarters of the year,
others four quarters, Just like football, two hundred billion dollars
is what we've gained, which a lot of money. Two
hundred billion dollars in tariffs is what we have pulled in.
So we're certainly the government's getting some money from the
two hundred from the tariffs. And it's two hundred billion
dollars to the third quarter. Great, that is what five

(24:49):
one thousandth of the of the deficit of the debt.
And if it's five to one thous the interest rate
that we're paying me and you and everyone collectively on
that debt is in excess of three percent. I'm not
the big math guy. Maybe you are. So if you
get two hundred billion dollars and then you're gonna give

(25:09):
everyone two thousand dollars and then you're gonna pay I
guess they're gonna use more of it to pay the
national debt, the federal debt. Then that's done. It doesn't
work out. So you've only got two hundred billion dollars.
It's thirty eight trillion. So the at this rate, you're
never going to catch up. It's going to continue to
get worse and worse and worse. So that doesn't even
I mean, it sounds good to go, Hey, everyone's gonna

(25:30):
get two k if you did that. Basically you're everyone
to vote for you because you keep getting paid. But
we're not addressing the central issue, and that is the
out of control debt. But again, it's Washington. It doesn't
have to make sense. It does not have to make
sense in other news, there is ay. The science is

(25:51):
specificously the astroscientists. To me, it's fascinating because most people like, okay,
you look up, there's the moon, the stars. Okay, if
there's a lunar eclipse, solar eclipses a bit way, that
big solar eclipse, right, everyone lose their mind. That's a
big one. That is the super Bowl of celestial events.
An eclipse. I can see there's like a star passing by.

(26:13):
The plans in alignment, maybe not so much. It seems
like every week we have some sort of astrophysic event
here that they get excited about. And that'd be the
I don't know. In this case, a theoretical physicist out
of Harvard as the scientific community worked at because he
believes that we are about to be visited by aliens,
an alien mothership. What apparently there's a comet, and this

(26:37):
comet is racing through our solar system and it is
obviously since from a different solar system, it's an interstellar.
It's not going to abide by our laws of gravity
and physics, and that is that it erals are on
the Sun now it's going to blaze by the Sun
and it just did, and it's on track to fly
by Earth on December nineteenth. And he believes that this

(26:59):
may be an alien not a comet, because of the
shape and form of it. And we don't have like
three of these, by the way, we're have an interstellar
object of body flying through our little world here. And
he said, listen, this could be interesting. It could be
an alien mothership. I don't know if that's tongue in
cheek or not, but you know, it's the idea to
try and get you to eat your vegetables and pay

(27:19):
attention to this kind of stuff. So the orbit of
this comet is traced of the past clearly it originates
from outside the Solar system, and it's an odd shape,
and I guess that is why how they would dictate
it comes from outside our solar system. So the but
here's the thing. Okay, we're gonna get visited by an
alien mothership. You hear that headline, go oh wow, that's
that's interesting. Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Goal.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
The closest it's going to get is about one hundred
seventy million miles. It's just inside the orbit of Mars.
Not exactly close. Hey, certainly in those terms when you
look at bodies in heaven, that's that's pretty close. But
for me and you, one hundred seventy million miles is
I don't care. As it makes a U turn and says,

(28:02):
hold up, hit the brakes. There's a Starbucks. Look, there's
a star I'm gonna stop at Earth and get some Starbucks.
Maybe a little no, I think you can still get
a pumpkin spice latte. Maybe they don't have that where
they're coming from. I don't know. So the size of
it be investigated by astronomers around the world, and once
it passes the Sun, it's going to reappear on the
other side by early next year or early in December,

(28:24):
so right on the nineteenth, and then we'll have renewed
observations because you got to renew the observations. Witch you
do I do that is you know there's some sort
of we're not going to see this another for another
two thousand years. And you go outside and it's cloudy.
It's always three because it's nice three o'clock in the morning.
I don't know, I'm probably not gonna get at three
o'clock in the morning, see some stars, see a comet
pass by. Wow, look at that comment. It's interstellar. It's

(28:46):
like it's this little tiny dot out there. And eventually,
you know, I'll just wake up the next morning it'll
be on my phone and a nice close up at
that too. So trying to get up and maybe you're
an astronomy, you probably don't sleep much or your odds
are it's like you're working third r because all the
good stuff happens when it's dark. Obviously, once in a
great while you get a an eclipse, a solar eclipse,
and you can see it during the day, but mainly

(29:08):
it's like your job is at night. The rest of
us have to work for a living and deal with
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(29:29):
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just saying, Bengals in U see idle this weekend, some
of those rare college and pro teams not playing and
so yeah, maybe a little extra time here. I watched
Saturday night FC advance in the playoffs in front of
a passing crowd of TQ. Well, it looked absolutely crazy.
The environment right there.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
It was.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I feared that out had to be magical because they
eliminated Columbus. FC eliminates Columbus in the deciding game three
on Brenner's gold final minutes of regulation one of the
I'll have Tommy g By the way, Tommy Glarterer is
on the show later on like eleven thirty five. Instead
of a usually I talked to James Rapine, but being
I don't know, I thought we talked a lot of
to see because it was you know, arguably, you know

(30:11):
what the way the Bengals are right now, I would
say that FC Cincinnati maybe and oh certainly you see
the most exciting sports product we have right now. And
it was a lot of fun to watch on Saturday night. Anyway,
Tommy G'll be here after eleven thirty five talking about
the big win and of course just slaying the dragon
out of the Columbus crew. And it wasn't easy, that's

(30:31):
for sure. But this is a call in the Spanish
radio booth from TQL Stadium on Saturday night. It always

(30:56):
sounds like a party. I have no idea what he's saying.
I had the countdown Fiesta Cincinnati. I'm there for the party, man,
I'm there for all of it. It's a good time.
So anyway, two weeks off before they play again, because
well you have international games in there too, and that's
the one thing as a sports fan in North American
sports fani I didn't get that whole thing that in

(31:16):
the middle of the season that he said we got
the playoffs, Yeah, we gotta stop why because our guys
are going to go play international soccer and then they'll
come back and we'll have the playoffs like an afterthought.
Don't get that one. But it was really really exciting,
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I shouldn't say that. The Senate met late last night

(31:37):
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so it is. The weather here in Cincinnati is what's
going on in Venezuela right now as we continue to
blow up ships off the coast. And if you are

(31:59):
following the so all you go, well, okay, I didn't
know Venezuela was sending drugs there, Well, well they really aren't.
Mexico is still the biggest purveyer of this stuff. But
that is just a pretext for what is about to
happen here. His name is Jeffrey Gilson. He studies this
stuff and he's got a British accent, so that makes
him ten times smarter than the rest of us. So
anyone talks with a British accent, you just sound like informed,
like a show on PBS or something like that. It's

(32:21):
good just to be stupid, you know, British comedy, but
it's higher level, it's more highbrow because they're doing with
that accent. Anyway, what's happening in Venezuela and what the
endgame is there, it's really interesting and also frightening at
the same time. We'll talk to him about that coming
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(32:42):
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Speaker 8 (33:03):
You want to be an American Scott Flown show.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
This is seven hundred WLW. We've seen this unprecedented military
action off Venezuela in the extra judicial killings of alleged
drug runners. We don't know. We're blowing stuff up and
all the evidence goes with us. There's no trial. Could
be a con certainly those could be. It's a constituential problem.
So much so there's a bipartisan call for oversight. Of course,
you got open up the damn government for those conversations

(33:29):
to happen. But here we are. But if we think
it's about drugs and fentanyl, think again, because that is
not the story at all. It just does not check out.
There's something bigger going on here. Uh, and it has
to do not with the United States, but the balance
of power between China, Russia and Iran. Jeff Gilson is here,
former speechwriter for Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and a geopolitical expert. Jeff, welcome,

(33:50):
How are you.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
I'm fine. Thank you having me on the show.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, before we start on topic A, I have to
ask you about the passing of Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney
has passed away, and he had a hand, and of
course the First Golf War two part of the strategy
with Margaret Thatcher. And as I recall now that the
history is the books have been open, did he I
believe he fought with her over chemical weapons and whether

(34:15):
or not the because she wanted to use chemical weapons
and he was against it, which does not go with
the Dick Cheney narrative.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Is that true.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I don't know all the details of that, but very
definitely Dick Cheney was quite happy to use any any
means good if he saw it to protect American Dick
Cheney is an interesting character. He was around from the
days of Nixon, and in terms that your listeners would understand,
Dick Cheney is the godfather of the unitary executive authority

(34:44):
and me had Cotton, which basically put together, means the
president is the supreme federal power and pretty much can
do what he wants. That's what the constitution says. And
actually I find some sympathy with that, although I'm disappointed
about it, but that's on the filming thought father, it's
not Dick Cheney. And then once you have the supreme president,

(35:04):
his or her job is to make the rest of
the world cower.

Speaker 8 (35:09):
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
That's Dick Cheney in a nutshell all wolf of It's
who was in the Defense Department when Bush Junior invading
Iraq said that Dick Cheney was the scariest person he'd
ever met. Now, you may be a Dick Cheney fan,
you may not be a Dick Cheney fan. But he
was one of the most powerful figures. And he definitely
was the godfather of neo gunn So he was all

(35:31):
in favor of invading countries to protect America's interests, and
he was in favor of torture and chemical weapons, anything
that was needed to get the job done quickly and effectively.
I'm pretty sure that market Thatcher would not have much
got that. Margaret Thatcher at heart was a libertarian. She
went to war in the Falkland Islands in nineteen eighty

(35:53):
two with huge reluctance, but she knew that the alternative
was to cowtow to a dictator in Argentina. Since we're
talking about Venezuela, ye, it all comes back to Latin.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
America more important than people.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Really.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, Jeff Gilson, let's get into that. The reality. There's
there's the reality versus the narrative. And this has been
blown apart already, is that the you know, the idea
that that's a government run cartel has been debunked last year.
The Drug Threat Assessment doesn't even mention Venezuela, and there's
a list of dangerous countries. The National Intelligence Council reports
at Maduro doesn't control drug trafficking all. They play very

(36:29):
little role in the federyl or opioid crisis. And yet
here we are back with Venezuela and we're bombing the
hell out of them, blown up ships. And but the
federal story, I think it plays here in America. It's
good for Trump, good for Trump being on brand and
fighting the war on drugs. But the reality is there's
something bigger at play here. Let's talk about where Iran, Russia, China,
and the United States intersect.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Okay, well, I mean the first thing is that Donald Trump,
I believe quite genuinely it's against the drug trade.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
But he's not quite right.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Put out, there's there's little here. However, you have to
use drugs as an excuse because drug interdiction allows the
president under the Constitution, in certain powers that he doesn't
have if you say, we just don't like the man
and we need to control Venezuela. Plus Maga is not

(37:20):
going to be happy because Maga, Marjorie Tayler Green is
very much opposed to foreign individual.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
We need to be pulling back from that.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
So the line coming out of the White House is well,
number one, it isn't really foreign, it's our backyard. Think
Monroe doctrine. And secondly, it's about drugs. So drugs are
the excuse just talking about the wider the issues of
what Earth has has got to do with Iran and Russian.
Here's the deal. Venezuela is a rogue nation think Cuba

(37:52):
from the sixties for those history bus listening. It is
exactly the same. Russia uses it as a toe hold
in the Western hemisphere. China gets oil from Venezuela. You'll know,
Venezuela sits on huge reserves of oil, and Iran, which
of course has its own oil, cannot export because of functions.

(38:13):
So what it does is it ships its oil to Venezuela.
Venezuela then sells it as Venezuelan oil. So this is
unholy alliance centered in Venezuela and the person pushing for
this is less Donald Trump and more Marco Rubio. This
I think was the deal between Rubio and Trump, that

(38:34):
Rubio would grit his teeth, close his eyes, put his
fingers in his ears, and serve as secretary of State
to the man who know about in the things to
say about his hands. In return for which Trump we
say the America is he yours to play with? Because
Rubio is because of his kiven An American background, is vehemently

(38:55):
opposed to the leadership in Cuba and Venezuela, and he
is the one driving. So that's what they want. They
want regime change, but they know it's going to be
very difficult to get boots on the ground, so they're
using drugs. They have certain executive authorities to intervite drugs
on the seas. They can use certain CIA covert operations

(39:17):
on land if it's a clear and present danger think
Harrison Ford the movie Clear and Present Danger, And a
couple of weeks ago, the CIA already passed a finding
that the so called narco terrorist regime and supporters in
Venezuela represented a direct and clear and present danger. So

(39:40):
the authority is there to put CIA boots on the ground.
The build up of the military is part and Parcelor's
what I think Trump wants to do or other Rubia
wants to do, is scare Madeuro into leaving sort of
what happened, not quite what happened, but what they were
trying to do, what Bushclia was trying to do in Panama.
And if you see something happening in Venezuela, the template

(40:03):
is Panama a Bush Senior where they used drugs once
again as the excuse to go in and then and
also the threat to the Panama Canal. So in Venezuela
they're going to put steering a boots on the ground
and probably hope for some sort of intervention from Venezuela,
at which point the president has six days authority to

(40:24):
go in because they put American lives at Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And this is about getting Machado, Maria Parina Machado once celebrated. Yeah,
it's getting someone there who's going to play ball with
the United States. It's about and there are a lot
of parallels. It's interesting you brought up Cuba because it
feels just like it outside of maybe the Bay of
Pigs and that botched effort. And of course leading to
the standoff and being on the brink of nuclear war.

(40:50):
I don't think it escalates that. But now it's not
just US viv Russia, right, this is a multipolar battle
because you don't have just one country, you have several.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, I mean as far as Revio as I say,
Reubio Trumpet concerned. This is an irritation that they want
to have go away. And the major military build up
the aircraft carrier, is to try and put pressure on
Maduro to leave. There are definitely there's a very strange
relationship between politicians. This happens across lack America. There are
the elites in Venezuela who go by the English nickname

(41:22):
of plugs. I think that's a shortened version of a
Spanish word, and they control, They have the authority, and
for the moment, they back the Duro, but they are already,
according to my sources, in touch with the Chado and
ready to switch if they think that Maduro is no
longer going to be the flavor of the month in

(41:43):
the rest of the Americas. And Maduro is probably looking
for a way out, and so that's the first thing
put the military around here threatened him. Hope that he
will leave, hope that the plugs will switch their support
to Machado and if not, possibly engineer something with CIA
operations on the ground. Maschado is an interesting person, I mean,
because she's completely confused the left wing because when Donald

(42:06):
Trump didn't win his Nobel Peace Prize as she did,
the left wing media in America was cocker, Oh, fantastic,
this wonderful woman who is all for peace and democracy
has run instead of Trump. Then they discovered she's actually
right wing and a supporter of Trump. So now they're confused.
But anyway, yes, they want to bring a Shado back.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Do you see us getting involved in essentially in a
war and a battle down there, because it has all
the elements that right now arend to the guys of
fighting narco terrorism, which is not the case. If this
is about regime change, it's a whole nother thing. How
does this play with Trump's base.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Badly? I think that at the moment Trump may be
suffering from the classic syndrome. And it's interesting that we
were talking about Dick Cheney because Dick Cheney was the
past masters, to say, the godfather of Neokon and unitary

(43:03):
Presidency of presidential authority. He was also a past master,
being the lapdog. He said whatever Bush wanted to hear. And
at the moment, I think there's a problem in having
too many people in the White House were loyal. The
Trump isn't getting sensible advice and he's rather taking what's
happened with Ukraine and Gaza. And he's done good work,
there absolutely no doubt about it. But he's beginning to

(43:26):
think he can do it anywhere, and he's rather forgetting
his magabase. And they're not going to let him get
involved in an out and out replay of Iraq or Afghanistan.
They're not going to let it happen. So I think
he's going to have problems. What I would see is
if Madia doesn't leave just on the basis of threat,
some sort of I'm not going to otherby use the

(43:47):
word contrived, but I'll use it, some sort of contrived
incident on the ground in Venezuela, CIA operatives made getting killed.
What you will then see is a very short sharp
air strike regime. And if that doesn't move the Duro,
I'm not quite sure what happened Sace. I would be
surprised to see American troops, mainstream troops on the ground

(44:12):
in Venezuela. I think it would be more like Bosnia
and severe strike. Oh man targets to scare the Durro rout.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, but you know we've seen this movie before time
and time again. Right at some point, Hey, maybe it's
now We're going to go into Venezuela and uh, okay,
we're not going to do well. We got to do
boots out of the ground, and now it ties up
US resources and this frees up our rivals and that
would be the mentioned nations we spoke of here, uh,
to create more opportunities for them. And you know, at

(44:41):
this point, then they start you can see it, right
then they start funding a proxy war where Russia and
China maybe a rand start arming the Venezuelan resistance like
in Syria. And we've done this for the emptieth time.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Well I mean, I mean, Scott, I will say is radio.
It'stop television, so your listeners can't see. Although I'm giving
you the run down, my head is gently resting on
the desk saying what you're saying, which is, oh no,
please not again.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
Really, come on.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
We get back, and it's a lady getting bogged down
there like Russia did in Afghanistan, like we didn't erect it.
That's probably what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
And more than that, there is this danger too. Putin
and ISAs in Pin are fairly young by the standards
of leaders of those societies, and they're not stupid. Peutin
made great hay in the Nords with the invasion of
Iran and Afghanistan, and he went into Georgia and Chechhnya
and sorted that out. And every time anyone complained he said,

(45:37):
I'm sorry you went into Iraq and Afghanistan because he
said they were terrorists there who were threatening the national security. Well,
they are Muslim terrorists in Chechen in Georgia threatening Russia.
What's the difference. The danger is if we go into Venezuela.
And the immediate danger I see, quite aside from Putant
digging in over Ukraine, is that China might turn around

(45:58):
and say, oh, well, we regard Taiwan right, and that's
our backyard, So now why can't we do the same thing.
Why can't we lawn chairs strikes against Taiwan. That's the danger.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, and without any you know, not that we're going
to get us UN author The UN's kind of feckless
at this point, or it's a joke, but you know,
it's just in an under minds that moral authority we had,
whether it's Taiwan or Ukraine for that matter, right, international
rules go out the window and we're back to getting
bogged down again. This is but Jeff Gilson, this whole
thing's happening exactly the time when our global dominance is

(46:30):
being threatened by these other countries. Is this a way
of standing up and saying okay in a good break
either way? Obviously too, we're reasserting our regional control over
our backyard. But at the same time we risk exposing
ourselves to the limits of our power in this new
new world order.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
I agree, and I mean I'm observing reasonably even handedly.
But you know, if if I'm a president and I've
not been back in my second term for more, it's
not even been a year yet, and I've gilded everything,
and I've got a bit boring, and I run Washington,
it is very very difficult scot and particularly you've not

(47:07):
got people around you who are giving you alternative advice.
It's very very difficult to stop and to you know,
it's one thing it's difficult to self start. It's also
difficult to self stop. And he's done a great job
in Ukraine and Gaza. But the end result is stop
what's going on and get out. And I don't think
there's anyone there saying no, sir, you don't want to

(47:29):
go into Venezuela. And this regard Marco Rubio is drenched
in neo goon. There is absolutely no way he is.
He is native Maga, he is a neogon, and he
believes in controlling Latin America and in regime change. And
that's the danger because interestingly, up again talking about Dick Cheney.

(47:53):
Absolutely absolutely, Marco Rubio is probably the most powerful secret
state at the moment since Henry Kissinger. And I think
that there has been this deal done where y much
Rubio can do what you want in Americas, and that's
the danger. And I can say, Scott, I've written a

(48:15):
book about strange intelligence activities and networks to go on
for thirty years and powers behind the throne. I'm looking
hard for something in Venezuela that we might be missing,
and I've even looked into this strange attempted coup in
the twenties. In twenty twenty called the Bay of Piglets interesting.

Speaker 7 (48:36):
I don't see it. Venezuela is a destroyed country.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
I know that Iran and China and Russia are in there,
but it's like Casablanca in the forties, think the movie.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
I don't see what a frett it is.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
The Only thing I came across recently, beside from the
oil says, is that Venezuela and along the north of
Latin America and down the eastern seaboard of Latin America
are huge positive rare earth minerals. We know that Donald
Trump is looking to get a supply of rare earth minerals,
but is it worth invasion if you're in this order.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, anything else.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And oil obviously to oil rich countries that those but
the rare earth animals minerals kind of jump off the
page there and then the second we have left here, Jeff,
most likely outcome is okay, full invasion. I don't know
if we work with it's smart to do that, but
he limited strikes and then you know, Russia and China
can yell at us and threaten us, but they're not
going to really do anything and then gradually we you know,

(49:35):
get some assets in there, I suppose, but and then
say victory, and it's like and the country just continues
doing what they're doing.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
Well, I suspect something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
And the only thing I think working in favor of
this is that, and this is probably a subject for
a discussion amount the time, is that Russia and China
are not as strong now as they were ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, I mean economically spent the going of China for
and foremost here, I think they're the biggest clear and
present danger. Rush is all tied up with, you know,
with a war, and you can dragging them down in
Iran as obviously terrorists the biggest terrorst sponsor, but China
is the biggest scared to us because it's lay in
that long, slow economic bleed game. And I think that
that's probably the biggest fear in this whole situation is

(50:18):
how far China pushes back.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Capitalism is the most democratic form of economy that you
can have. I can tell you it may not be today,
it may not be tomorrow, it may not be for
the next fifty years. But if China genuinely introduces capitalism,
which it has democracy has to follow, and that is
what is plaguing China at the moment. It's an Asson
p and he's having to pull back a bit because

(50:44):
he's not got the leeway he used to have, which
is why he's trying to impose more authority. We see
the imposing authority as a strength.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
It's a weakness in my opinion, because the Chinese people
want more and they want democracy. So he's actually got
his own problems home. And of course Puton is nowhere
near as strong as he was because the invasion of
Ukraine has been a traumatic demonstration of just how useless
is the Russian military.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Jeff Gilson former speechwriter for the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,
also geopolitical expert and The Real Game with Venezuela. The
Inside Game Here. Jeff, thanks for jumping on the show
this morning.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
Hey, I'm going to come back, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
We've got weather here and at least of the lunchtime
hour anyway, full news and weather and traffic update and
how that's affecting things in just four minutes here on
seven hundred Wow. Then when I return, it's Mental Health Monday,
our licensed mental health therapist Julie Headersh here is here.
We will talk about the number one sign you see
in as adult with childhood trauma. So, yeah, well, there's

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a kid. You know, you're traumatized quite frequently depending on
your childhood. What is the number one thing that manifests
itself later on in your adult life that goes back
to your childhood. So'll get into that next on the
show Scott's Loan seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 9 (52:01):
Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
to help us get our heads right. This is Mental
Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, more than two thirds of children experience at least
one traumatic event by the age of sixteen, so safe
to say most of us have experienced some sort of
a traumatic event. And I'd imagine this is not new.
This goes back to our childhood, maybe even before some
of these things were diagnosed. But there is an adult
life all this stuff, you know, not always but often
comes back to manifest itself on other forms. The number

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one sign of childhood trauma and adults is well, it's
Julie Hattersh. Here's here with the answer. Here on seven
hundred other Julie, good morning. How are you?

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Good morning? I'm fine.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I'm fine. The snow is flying. It makes me happy.
But some people may be depressed by all this white
stuff that's falling and soon melting. But uh, a little early.
But I'm kind of writing in the Christmas spirit. I
don't mind it.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
It kind of looks pretty, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
You're not stuck in it.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Exactly, which we're not going to because I don't think
there's going to be that much of it.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, no, no, well if you're in it now, I'm saying,
all right, So yeah, it's typical. I think people have
this reaction like, oh my god, it's all about your
childhood and your bad parenting. But yeah, I mean, you
think about the problems that we have in society, in
the world for that matter. If we had a cure
for parenting and everyone we're a good parent, we wouldn't
have all the problems we have in the world, safe

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to say.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
I mean, there's a lot of ways to be a
good parent, and there are some ways to screw things up,
and even the most well meaning of us occasionally screw
it up with our kids. And what we may think
is a minor ish kind of thing to.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Our kid may be kind of a big deal.

Speaker 10 (53:41):
But when we're talking about childhood trauma, we're talking about
typically things that go on for a.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Period of time.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
I mean, we all know the traumas of like you know,
a car accident or a terrible thing like that.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
When we're talking about childhood trauma, we're typically talking about things.

Speaker 10 (53:58):
That go on for a period of time, like bullying
in school, or having a parent who is volatile and difficult,
or having a neglect in your home where you have
food insecurity, things like that. Those are the kinds of
things that we're talking about, right.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
But the number one sign of childhood trauma adults is what.

Speaker 11 (54:16):
Well.

Speaker 10 (54:17):
I had clients send me this and I thought it
was fascinating and I thought our listeners would maybe be
interested in it. So apparently the number one sign of
childhood trauma in adults is trying to make a difficult
person be good to you, persistently, consistently trying to make
someone who is difficult like you and be good to you,
whether that's a friend, a family member, your boss, a coworker,

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somebody who is difficult, really trying hard, making it your
mission to help to make that person be kind and
be nice.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
And be good to you.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
People pleasing, people.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Pleasing at an extraordinary level. Not just people pleasing in
a normal way, because a lot of us do that
and that isn't necessarily a sign of trauma, but taking
the most difficult person you are encountering and working your
butt off to try to make them be good to you,
to try to make them.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Like you and be kind to you.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
That level of people pleasing is, according to this researcher,
the number one sign of childhood trauma in adulthood. And
it was news to me, so I thought it might
be news to everybody else.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Interesting people might be interested in that context. Off, do
you see this in your practice? When what does that
pattern look like?

Speaker 10 (55:32):
In my practice, that looks like people who are in
relationships with a particularly difficult partner, but they don't want
to leave the relationship. They twist themselves into pretzel shapes
to make their partner be kind to them, be nice
to them, be good to them, be loving to them.
Or people come in and they're doing that with their parents.

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They're twisting themselves into pretzel shapes to make the parents
approve of them, to seek their validation to seek their love.
So these are people who chase validation and approval and
love from somebody.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
That's very, very hard to get it from. And we
don't feel good about themselves unless they can.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
So we have the self esteem issue going on there too. Yeah,
and how does that how does that all start? I mean,
does it get back to that concept they inner child?
I mean, I know it's kind of a worn out trope,
but it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
It well, it does?

Speaker 10 (56:28):
I mean, we are all products of our upbringing. And
although we don't like to look at our parents and
blame them or hold them responsible for our shortcomings, we
are very quick often to credit our parents with the
things that.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
We do well in the world.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I am who I am because of my dad, or
I am who.

Speaker 10 (56:46):
I am because of my mom. And we are all
products of our upbringing. So you know, my kids are
of my raising them and their dad. Your kids are
of you and your wife raising them. You are of
your parents raising you. Also, our communities, our.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Larger families, But we're all products of that. So it's
not possible.

Speaker 10 (57:04):
To divest ourselves of that and to say only the
good things come from my parents and the bad things
are all on me.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
That's not the way it works.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
So if we are raised in circumstances that are uncertain, unpredictable, unsafe,
we grow up believing that the world is uncertain, unpredictable,
and unsafe, and we grow up with this model of
trying to create certainty where there is uncertainty. So think
about it in terms of you've got a really angry

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parent at home, parent who flies off the handle for
no particular reason. In order to feel safe, you need
that parent to be predictable and less volatile. So if
you can make them like you, if you can make
them be nice to you, if you can make them
be good to you, then they are less volatile, less unpredictable,
and you are safer.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, okay, makes sense.

Speaker 10 (57:55):
Okay, So we grow up with that model, and we
continue to perpetuate in ourdult lives that same dynamic, often,
in fact, most of the time without actually recognizing we're
doing it.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
We just want.

Speaker 10 (58:07):
Everybody to like us. Well, we want everybody to like
us or be nice to us, because if they like us,
they won't hurt us. If they're nice to us, they
won't be mean to us. If they like us and
they're nice to us, we're safe and if they don't,
then we're not. And that does come back to that
inner child that we didn't actually get the safety and
security we needed as a kid, and we're trying to
find it again and again and again as an adult

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in other people.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Right, And when that pattern keeps going in adulthood, it
just establishes that self esteem thing, right.

Speaker 10 (58:36):
It does, because it's really difficult to feel good about
yourself if your safety and security and well being are
dependent on the most.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Difficult person in the room.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
How do you fix it?

Speaker 10 (58:46):
Not well, knowing.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
It's there is the first step.

Speaker 10 (58:52):
Understanding that that is not the way the rest of
other people in the world operate necessarily, and that there
is a reason for it, and that there is something
you can do about it. So recognizing it is the
first step. And I think that's what was so interesting.
This apparently went viral on TikTok, this conversation between this researcher,
doctor Tian and doctor Romani Dvossola, who is that's a mouthful,

(59:14):
who is an expert in narcissism, and she asked him
the question, what's the.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Number one sign?

Speaker 10 (59:18):
And he said, trying to make a difficult person be
good to you, and that went viral on TikTok, so
apparently it's resonated with a lot of people who see
this pattern in themselves of trying to make difficult people
be good to them. So recognizing it's there and then
understanding how you can build your self esteem and self
worth from the inside out. Sometimes that requires therapy. Sometimes

(59:41):
just recognizing that you're doing it is enough for some people.
Just recognizing, oh, I'm banging my head against this wall.
I'm going to stop doing that and go do something else.
Sometimes that's enough for people, just to recognize that that's
not necessarily healthy or necessary.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
All right, and breaking that cycle's got to be tough,
because you know you've been doing it ever since your child.

Speaker 10 (01:00:00):
Yes, it can be really difficult, and what makes it
harder is that we tend to go out and search
for relationships in our lives.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
And I'm not just talking about the people you marry.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
I'm talking about your friends or sometimes the people that
you choose to work with. Are for we go out
and choose relationships in our lives that mirror the relationships
that we were raised with. So many people have a
lot of difficult people in their lives, if they were
raised with difficult people in their family, because that dynamic
of I want to make you like me and be good
to me is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
What they're very familiar with.

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
So for some people, it's not just one relationship they
have to address, it's a number of different relationships that
they're now recognizing they probably unconsciously chose because they repeat
that familiar dynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
All right, So what about the other person's relationship, And
that'd be the one who is well, quote unquote the
abuse your own state, it's an abuse. But the one
who you have to walk around eggshells on what happened.

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
On them, Well, oftentimes they go through life relatively unaware
of the damage that they're causing, or feeling kind of
entitled to cause that damage. I mean, I've spoken to
so many people who raised their children using corporal punishment,
and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. I've raised

(01:01:21):
I've worked with a lot of people who are in
relationships where they are the controlling or emotionally abusive one,
and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. They see
nothing wrong with their behavior. So oftentimes those people will
go through the rest of their life feeling entitled to
and perfectly justified in the way that they're behaving. And

(01:01:42):
it's the other person's problem, which again makes it hard
if you're the one on the receiving end of that,
because you believe.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
What you're and I'm air quoting here.

Speaker 10 (01:01:51):
Abuser says that it's your fault. If you hadn't done X,
they wouldn't have treated you that way. So if you
don't do X again, they won't treat you that way.
In a healthy person, that would be true. But in
somebody who is not healthy, like in this case the abuser,
they're going to continue to treat you badly.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
They're just going to find new reasons to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and it's an awfully difficult cycle to break, for sure.
She's Julie hattersh here on the show this morning. It's
mental health money in Sconsolan show. And the number one
sign of childhood trauma and adults is trying to get
difficult people to like us, to be good as people
pleasers if you will too. And so it's a survival
mechanism basic from childhood. And this is the number one
biggest screw up that parents have. And I mean, if

(01:02:34):
we know that now is there a hope that this
ends at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I just did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I don't see. It's human nature, right, We're just going
to have bad parents lead to bad decisions in life
and lead to well a lot of the criseses we
have today. But crime and everything else preventable by better parenting.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
Well, I think a lot of things are preventable by
better parenting and better relationships in general, better relationships between siblings,
between husbands and wives, or partners, between parents and children.
But I want, I want to say it's not even
just bad parenting. It's because I think when we say
bad parents, we are inclined to think, well, my parents

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weren't bad.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
They did the best they could. They just didn't know
any better.

Speaker 10 (01:03:12):
They didn't have a lot, they were stressed, they were frustrated.
It's not just the parents intent to be a bad
parent or not to be a good parent. It's the
way the child receives it. It's what it feels like
to the kid. So I'm going to give you a
quick example. When I was married to my first husband,
when we were raising our children, we made a decision
that we thought was going to be great for the

(01:03:34):
whole family. We really did, We carefull, we thought it through,
we thought it was going to be great for the
whole family. It was a really bad choice for my
older son. He really had some challenges around that decision
that we made. So we made a very careful, thoughtful
decision that we thought was going to be good for
the family, and it turned out not to be good for him.
It can be things like that, things that as parents

(01:03:56):
we think are the right choice for a kid and
turns out because of how things worked out or because
of who that child, is not the right choice for them,
And it can be seen by the child and felt
by the child as something traumatic.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
So when we say bad parents, I.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
Also want to say sometimes it's good parent making a
choice that turns out not to be good for the
kid in question.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, part is like, you know, you're so hard on
yourself as a parent. You're doing the right thing because
there is no instruction manual, and it's a fluid world
in which we live and things change, and of course
there's you know, hormones and emotion a whole bunch of
other factors involved here too. But generally, I think most
parents try to do what's best by their kids. If
you're some sort of psychopath or a complete narcissists a
different story entirely, but by and large that's true. And

(01:04:39):
it's like, you know, as a parent, how much guilt
should you carry for these things?

Speaker 10 (01:04:44):
I think you should carry a responsibility, but not guilt.
I think you should carry accountability, and I think you
should take a look at what you were and were
not able to do for your children. But I also
want to take this outside the role of just parents
and say it's a larger thing in the community. So
racism and other kinds of discrimination can have huge impacts

(01:05:04):
on young children. Violence, community violence if they live in
a difficult, violence ridden community, or school violence, the school shootings,
school bullying. There are things out religious abuse. There are
things outside the nuclear family that come into play as well.
It's not just mom and dad and grandma and grandpa.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Who are influencers in kids' lives.

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
It's their friends, it's their community, it's their coaches, it's
their mentors, it's their teachers, and challenging circumstances in any
of those can have a negative impact on the kid.
Even if the nuclear family is pretty stable and solid
and pretty put together, if.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
You're some larger ranging.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
If you're someone who in the pattern.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You know, when you're trying to please difficult people, it's familiarity,
it's low self esteem, and it's seeking validation. You tend
to then choose your friends and the so based on
that as well. You could have an abusive employer. You
can have someone who takes a codependent neighbor, a friend
who takes advantage of you constantly. You just set yourself
for all of that, And then why are you so
attracted to if it makes you miserable?

Speaker 10 (01:06:12):
Well, because it's familiar. So I know many people who
were raised in difficult circumstances who purposely go to work
for bosses that they know will be difficult. So these
are people who had options to do other things and
chose to work for a boss that they knew would
be difficult because they could handle it. So other people
might take a look at that boss who they believe

(01:06:34):
will be very difficult and say, ohn need that stress
and hassle in my life and peace out. But these
people go toward that because they can handle it, because
they know how to handle difficult people. That's the situation
in which that would be a choice that somebody would
make Oftentimes they choose people in their lives, friends or mates, partners,

(01:06:55):
who represent or act like, or remind them of their
more difficult family member, whoever it was, usually a parent,
but not always, and so they can replicate and maybe
come out on the top end, the winning end of
that dynamic. So let's say you're a kid who could
never get mom or dad to really pay attention to you.

(01:07:16):
You were an escapegoat kid. Nobody paid attention to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
They didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
They blamed you for all the bad.

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
Stuff, paid no attention to the good stuff. You marry
someone who treats you that same way, hoping that not consciously,
this is subconsciously hoping that you can come out on
the winning end, that they will value you, they will
love you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
You can feel it that way, and it usually.

Speaker 10 (01:07:39):
Doesn't doesn't work out there, all right, it usually doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Maybe you pick something up here and you know you
can apply it to yourself to some degree. She's Julie.
Hat is your license of mental health therapist. You can
get aholder and hey Julie at the letter BB Connected
doc Care here in Cincinnati, and it's mental health Monday
with Julie Lights Again. I have a great week, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Thank you boyd bye.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I got to get a news up there. Did in
here momentarily on the snowy Monday traffic concerns all over
the place as well. Chuck will get you updated there.
It's a Scott Sloan show on seven hundred WWT.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
You want to be an American floony.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Back on seven hundred W wellw on this snowy Monday morning.
Speak of the house Larry Householder, Remember that guy serving
twenty years in the federal pen for his role in
the sixty million dollar racketeering in bribery scheme. Remember he
got money for supporting nuclear power plant ballots, coal power plants.
That is the largest public corruption scandal in this history

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of the Buckeye State and the former state head of
the GOP also in prison. Another conspirator killed himself. Two
more awaiting trial. But there are some other charges out there,
and as such, Ohio Secretary of State Franklin Rose criticized
the Ohio Elections Commission for refusing to act on nearly
eighty criminal campaign compliance related to this whole corruption scandal,
and he joins the show now to discuss mister Secretary.
Good morning, how are.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
You, hey, good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:08:55):
Well, and this is probably why the Ohio General Assembly
has decided to get rid of the Ohio Election Commission
as of the end of this year and replace it
with something far better. But we can talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
That too, all right, Well, let's play the timeline out
on this thing here, because it's it's pretty disturbing.

Speaker 9 (01:09:11):
Yeah, So what happened was that, you know, when the
initial charges were filed by the FBI, we were asked
by the state and local authorities to get our complaint
filed with the Ohio Elections Commission because they have to
start things there if they're going to continue the process
into the you know, into the courts. And so we

(01:09:32):
went through the federal indictment. We found, well, these are
federal crimes, but here are some state crimes that also
occurred from the same evidence that have been gathered, and
we filed gosh, I think it was well over one
hundred complaints with the Ohio Elections Commission, which is you know,
how the process begins. The problem is that was over
five years ago, and they've continued to sit on these.

(01:09:54):
You know, at one point they said, well, we got
to wait until the federal trial was over. Well, okay,
that was over a couple of years ago, So why
didn't they keep moving? And the problem is also that
there's a thing called statute of limitations, which basically means
if the government doesn't act within a period of time,
then you know, you're off the hook. And again, these
aren't the necessarily the kind of things that put him

(01:10:16):
in jail, but they are things like missing campaign finance deadlines,
failure to disclose certain things. They are in fact crimes
and they should in fact be prosecuted under Ohio's election laws.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, and there's a lot to unpacked there with a
lot most people don't really pay attention to election law,
but yeah, it's obviously it's important. And I don't know,
you know, you, as the Secretary of State, do you
have other tools or authority to escalate this matter once
you saw that they were going to procrastinate and hold
us up. I mean, why wait till the five year
statute limitations is over?

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
Yeah? No, not really, it's it's in the authority of
the Ohio Elections Commission once we file it there. Other
than you know, making noise about it, and we have
been doing that, but it's really up to them Act,
and that again is one of the things that's going
to be fixed with the creation of the new Ohio
Election Integrity Commission, which begins on January first, where we

(01:11:09):
will have the ability, uh to work through that body
to bring fines, for example, for a clear violation like
failing to file a campaign finance report or failing to
disclose certain things, and and so that will will help.
But again, it feels like the Ohio Elections Commission is
just punting this and and and essentially they know that
we'll have the responsibility of running the Ohio Elections Integrity

(01:11:32):
Commission starting in January, and they just don't want to
deal with it, so they're punting it to us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
The makeup of the commission, I believe it. It's three Republicans,
three Democrats, one independent.

Speaker 9 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I think that's how it's it's set up. And
h you know, most of these too, aren't really a
partisan thing. It's did the you know, did the person
in question violate the law? And if you look at
a lot of these, are you know, somebody again didn't
file a campaign finance report, or they're not disclosing things
they're supposed to disclose, or things like not putting a
disclaimer on their advertisements, those kind of things, pretty simple stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:12:06):
Did you or did you not violate the law?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Okay, but Franklin Rose, the criminel prosecution windows closed? What
accountabilities left?

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
If the statute of libitations are have hit and expired,
then what's the point.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
Not in all cases, in some of the some of
the complaints it has.

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
In some of the complaints.

Speaker 9 (01:12:24):
That has not, and you know, in the ones where
it has, they should just go ahead and dismiss it,
of course, and on the ones where it hasn't, they.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
Should take action.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
And again, what we're talking about here in most cases
is fines against the committee. But when a law is
not enforced, it's not a law, it's a mere suggestion.
And we want to make sure that people know in
Ohio that when you break the law, it's going to
be enforced.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
It's a de turn effect as well.

Speaker 9 (01:12:48):
People should know that we take election law violations seriously
and that if you mess around, you'll find out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
He's Secretary of State Franklin Rose in the show this
morning and making some substant allegations against the Election Commission
of Ohio that they are negligent and acting one hundred
and eighty criminal complaints at violent election law that simply
have expired because the statute of limitations only five years.
They've done nothing on what's the motive?

Speaker 9 (01:13:15):
Oh, I think just good old fashioned procrastination. I honestly,
I don't think there's anything more nefarious than that. I
think they don't want to deal with this because it's difficult.
There's a particular problem with the guy who's the executive
director there, who's a sort of well known footdragger, and
the rest of the commission tends to take their cues

(01:13:36):
from the director because the director is the full time
staff expert who's on duty sort of, you know, five
days a week there at the Elections Commission, and so
the part time commission members that are ultimately responsible though,
they're the ones that just sort of end up taking
cues often from the director.

Speaker 8 (01:13:53):
And the director's been dragging his feet on this.

Speaker 9 (01:13:55):
He makes the excuse that they needed to hold off
till the federal trial was done, and that happened a
while ago, and I don't know why they haven't acted yet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
What's the next step here? It's blowing up the election Commission.
They're done at the end of the year, but what's
the next step after that?

Speaker 9 (01:14:10):
Then, Well, starting January first, my office takes responsibility for
what's called the Ohio Election Integrity Commission. It's a reconstituted
form of the Ohio Elections Commission. It's going to be
a much more responsible body, I can assure you, though,
because we plan to keep things moving quickly through the process.
We've planned to clear the backlog that exists right now,

(01:14:31):
and we've planned to work on resolving the over one
hundred million dollars in unpaid fines. I think about that,
over one hundred million dollars of fines that have been
accrued over the last gosh twenty years that nobody's paying,
and let's be honest, probably sixty seventy percent of those
at this point are uncollectable because the entities in question

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are defunct and people have died and moved away, whatever else.
But that still leaves a large portion of those that
are collectible, and we need to take enforcem an action
to get those collected. So there's a whole lot of
things that we need to do to tighten up the
work of the Ohio Elections Commission, and that's why we
completely scrapped it and we're revamping it in a whole
new thing starting January first.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Has a governor spoke a lot about this or anyone
from the General Assembly, Well.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
The General Assembly are the ones that passed the bill
to get rid of the Ohio election and take or
Ohio Election Commission rather, And so yeah, they spoke out
in that sense. The Attorney General also spoke out about
this in a letter that he sent to the OEC
this week or last week rather, because he had been
part of the effort to compile these complaints against.

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
The householder at all.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
And so yeah, pretty much everybody that's looked at this
is how is it possible that these guys have not
acted in five years of time just sitting on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
This, and yet it's not the biggest stories it should be.

Speaker 8 (01:15:52):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 9 (01:15:53):
And again that's why I was glad that you called
me up protected me over the last couple of days
and said, hey, would you come on the show talk
about it, because it is something people need to know about. Again,
it's about effective enforcement of the law. Yeah, householders in prison.
He's going to be for a long time. Several of
the other folks involved have paid the penalty that they
need to pay. But this is about making sure that

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when laws are violated that there are penalties for doing that.
And yet maybe not as serious as the federal charges
that he faced and is now in prison for, but
still serious matters again failure to disclose, failure to file
campaign finance reports, all of the campaign finance shenanigans that
he was engaged in. These are the charges for that,

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and again there need to be penalties.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yeah, the federal crimes of course of embezzlement and alike,
people are paying a price. That utlist goes to the
trial of that, and we know that First Energy paid
substantial fines as well to make that go away. But
you know, there's the campaign finance law nuance that you're
talking about here, and that goes unchecked. That just gives
license for other elected officials or those people seeking office
to do whatever all they want if we're not going

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to enforce the laws.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
And that's the problem. Again.

Speaker 9 (01:17:04):
We believe in transparency and disclosure. It's kind of a
foundational thing as it relates to campaigns. The public wants
to know how are you raising money for your campaign
and on what are you spending it? Those are things
that you know my office is responsible for However, the
Election Commission is responsible for enforcing it. And therein lies
the problem. And that's why once we we created the

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new Election Integrity Commission that starts January first, we're going
to have much more of what in the military we
called unity of command, where we can focus on these matters,
do the investigations that we need to do, levy the
fines that need to be levied, and then of course
if somebody doesn't like that, they always have the appeal
to go into the court system. Really, what this all
is is the intermediary step before it goes into into

(01:17:48):
the court system. But again, we should be able to
resolve a lot of these things. Hey, you didn't pay
your or, you didn't disclose your campaign spending, you didn't
designate a treasure before you started raising money, you didn't
put a disclaimer on your on your television ads.

Speaker 8 (01:18:03):
What have you.

Speaker 9 (01:18:04):
We should be able to resolve a lot of that
stuff without it going to the course.

Speaker 8 (01:18:07):
And that's the whole point of this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Explain how how you think that's not just more than
sound like we're just changing one element of bureaucracy out
for another. Because you know, the largest it's the largest
corruption scheme in the history of Ohio and it's been
going on for years. The statute of limitations expired on
what you're talking about, and that shows suggests to me
there's problems beyond just one director or a panelist or
whatever you call the commission. How does this change this?

Speaker 9 (01:18:32):
You know, accountability matters, and this is why we have
a system of government where we elect people and then
hold them accountable to do a job. And if they
want to get re elected or you know, continue on
in public service, they have to do a good job, right, Okay,
basic civics.

Speaker 8 (01:18:47):
One O one kind of thing.

Speaker 9 (01:18:49):
The problem with some of these state commissions is that
they don't exist in a way that is transparent or public.
Most people didn't know that the Ohio Election Commission existed
unless you were at some point of candidate for public
office yourself. By rolling it into the Secretary of State's office,
which is the way it is in most other states.
And this is really putting it putting us in line
with the majority of other states. You've got an accountable

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public official, somebody that has to stand in front of
the public and answer for the work they do. That
is going to be running this, but you also have
that bipartisan body that will be actually adjudicated the decisions,
and so it's a good model. The secretary of State's
office will house it as far as the administrative work
and keeping the trains running on time. But before a

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fine can be levied, it's got to go in front
of the Commission for a vote. And again that's a
bipartisan body that'll have to make those decisions. So you've
got the due process that needs to be there, but
you've also got the accountability of putting it within the
Secretary of State's office. And again, anybody that sits in
this seat should be held accountable by the voters.

Speaker 8 (01:19:53):
If they don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
There's just another hearing, and I think they kick the
can down the road for the unseen time over number
of years. You would have a conversation with the director
or the chair. What would there excuse be about all
this or any member of the committee for them.

Speaker 9 (01:20:08):
Yeah that the At first it was that the federal
trial had not concluded. Okay, I guess that's fine. I
don't think no, I guess on a parallel basis. But
then it was, well, he hasn't exhausted all of his appeals. Well,
for heaven's sakes, appeals can go on endlessly, as you know,
and so waiting for there to be some end of

(01:20:28):
the appeals, like eventually it goes all the way to
the Supreme Court or something is a fool's errand and
so once the once the federal trial was done, and
you know, they should have taken action. But again, this
is a group that's been expert at kicking the can
down the road and kind of pointing the finger somebody
else's problem and what have you. That ends effective January person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
All right, So the one hundred and eighty complaints that
you foiled in the last five years. Now the statute limitations,
is this just Householder's office or how many lawmakers and
are caught.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Up in us?

Speaker 9 (01:21:03):
No, I mean it lays out who the person is
that we're complaining against. Most of them were Larry Householder
because he's the one responsible for his committee. And again
it's uh, it goes through you know, everything from failure
to uh disclosed, to failure to designate a treasure to
not putting the proper disclaimer on things, to misuse of

(01:21:23):
funds when you raise campaign dollars. You're supposed to use
them for your campaign, right, not for other things, right,
And so you know all over the list of them. Yeah, exactly,
exactly so, And again you can see all that stuffy
by going to the Ohio Election Commission website where they
posted our complaint that we filed over five years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Yeah, and there and there it's it's well, they'll disbanded
and started all over.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
In general.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Unfortunately, you are any of these charges that do they
all fit in that five year time frame for statute limitations?
Are there ones we've discovered since and have longer or
they simply all expired at this point.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
Yeah, that's a question for a lawyer, and I'm not
one to be very honest, but I do know that
there are different statutes of limitations and so some have
run out, some have not at this point. But but again,
time is of the essence to get the to get
the decks cleared on this. And again I think that
the Ohio Elections Commission has used this as Hey, we
fold up our tent starting January first, and so we're

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gonna pump this hot potato off to the next guys. Well,
all right, once it's once it's our responsibility. We're gonna
take it very seriously and move with alacrity.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Was this the impetus to get rid of this commission?

Speaker 9 (01:22:37):
No, not, not, not solely. It was hundreds of things
over the years, and you know, from just not moving
fast enough, to being in some cases weaponized for for
people playing politics. In other cases just sort of disparate treatment.

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One person gets a slap on the wrist and the
other one gets the books thrown at them. There's been
a whole variety of place. But the biggest thing is
failure to collect their fines. Right again, remember this happened
in the state budget, and the state budget is what
eliminated this and replaced it with the new Election Integrity Commission.
And so when the state Legislature was looking at, okay,
the Election Commission needs money to operate this biennium, why

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don't they collect their fines because there again is nearly
one hundred million dollars in outstanding five It's just it
shows how ineffective they are, and and it's just one
of the many examples for why we needed to get
rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
All right, he is Frank LaRose on the show Secretary
of State what's next for you?

Speaker 8 (01:23:40):
I'm heading to a Veteran's Day ceremony. Do you mean politically, Yeah,
you know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Going to go probably launch after the show, but that's
what politically now, I'm I.

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
Am running for Auditor of State of Ohio. I'm genuinely
excited about it. It's a platform that a lot of
people don't think about the Auditor Office. I get that,
but it is a platform to do great things for Ohio.
It's the top watchdog for public corruptions. Sounds familiar, Yeah,
any local or state officials that are lining their own pockets,
that's the Auditor's job to catch them and make sure

(01:24:14):
they face justice. But it's also Ohio Doge. It was,
you know, it's the efficiency Office before there was Doge
and maybe a slightly different approach, but you know, it's
the office that's responsible for making sure that government runs efficiently.
And news flash, government doesn't always run efficiently, so there's
a lot of work that needs to be done there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah, Ohio needs Doze desperately because there's a lot of
fat on the bone and a lot of areas, so
maybe you can clean that up. All right, Franklin Ross,
thanks so much. For jo on the show.

Speaker 8 (01:24:42):
Good luck with that, thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Take care be well, yeah, I mean clearly he's running
for auditor and wants to come atcross as a reformist
and you fighting against the institution. It's good, plays well,
it plays well. But yeah, five years and now after
the limitations are like, well, we can't do any about
it because it expired, and I didn't ere much from
the governor the General Assembly on this one. Frank Lrose

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bringing up after the fact. But you know, that's frustrating
because if you're now this is it's obviously a bipartisan committee,
pretty right down the middle, you know, three three and one.
But at the same time, as much as we complain
about and Republicans love to talk about law and order,
this seems like an easy one, and yet it goes

(01:25:26):
by the wayside, and it's frustrating. Right, our government not
working for us now me and you, hell, we get
the book thrown ass, we get to you. This is
like I don't know them going now, We're not going
to write speeding tickets anywhere I sent to These are
speeding tickets for the political process. Then those laws exist
for a reason, either you enforce them or you don't.
I don't know why you could get away with turning
the blind eye towards it, quite honestly, and this is

(01:25:49):
why approval for all lawmakers from the top on down
are at an all time low. Scott's Loan Show seven
hundred WT Wealth FC Cincinnati advancing in the playoffs in
front of a capacity to crowd A team than well
Saturday night. What a fun game? What's not there? We
watched it home and we're cheering on the Orange and Blue.
They beat Columbus to one in the deciding game thro
around Brenner's goal in the final minutes of regulation. Here's

(01:26:10):
a call from Tommy G.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Who could got to the ball?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Sends it off for Japori knocks it down. Try to
find Geedy Kitty, try to leave it now. It comes
to printer a shot Man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
At y'all, printer a Price, Jersey is off.

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
Cincinnati leads to the one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Let's Go. That is the latest chapter of Hell Israel.
It goes to the five Pine to three and on
to host Inter Miami and Lionel Messi Laonel Messi. In
two weeks, Tommy Galarder is on the show. Tommy G
the voice of FC Cincinnati. Who you just heard? I
love the Cameron, the booth, you're hugging your broadcast partner.
It was such an ex I watched it at home

(01:26:52):
with my wife and we were screaming. It was so exciting,
And I would argue it's the best sports product in
Cincinnati right now, save maybe the UC Bearcat.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:27:00):
I think it's a fair argument. How you doing good
to be here with you, happy to chat steel. My
heart pumping a little bit after that one on Saturday night,
and I think you know, if you saw reactions of
people in their living room, if you saw Pete, reactions
of people in the bailey, anywhere in the stadium, the
coach is Kevin and myself in the booth, probably staff

(01:27:22):
throughout the building wherever they're stationed, those reactions are probably
indicative of kind of two years of emotions building up,
going all the way back to that conference final in
which Columbus came back to win and broke.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
The hearts of everybody here in the Queen City.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
So listen, you're the two seeds. You're supposed to win
the series, but it wasn't easy. That Columbus team way
better than the seventh seed or what you would expect.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
We knew it was gonna be one heck of a battle.

Speaker 11 (01:27:50):
And in the end, Thatchcontaty proved to be the better
team and get it, I think in really impressive fashion
with the way that they were able to come from behind.
And in the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, you know, the first ten minutes I'm watching and
it seemed like the fields lopside in favor of Columbus,
saying zero's year. At the half, it's a nil nil.
And when FC when Columbus scored, I actually cheered and
my wife's look at me, you know that's not Cincinnati. No,
Because the way they were playing, it seemed to me
that you needed Columbus to do something to get them rally,

(01:28:23):
to make them feel like they're backs against the wall,
and they did, because they tied it up about four
minutes later.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah, backs, we're squarely against the wall.

Speaker 11 (01:28:31):
And I think a lot of hard stones, a lot
of stomachs turned inside out in that moment, being down
at home and look at ce Cincinnati had lost their
last seven games the seas In.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
When conceding the first goal.

Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
The great Patrick O'Leary and the Comics Department of put
the set out afterwards. I think it's only the fourth
time since the club joined Major League doctor that they've
conceded the first goal in the second half and won
a game. So think about that. All the odds in
the world stacked against him. But moments later it literally, yeah,
four minutes, but probably two minutes of game time because
they looked at that Columbus go for a long time.

(01:29:09):
Because for my money, I'm pretty sure Columbus was offside
Andre Herrera making that run up the right time, because
he was right in front of us, literally right in
front of our booth, and I was pretty sure he's
off that. But listen and Patt Newton made a point
afterwards like there's nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:29:23):
You could do.

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
If the restaurant has change it, the vaar is not
going to step in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Then you got to play.

Speaker 11 (01:29:28):
And FC Cincinnati didn't mope around, they didn't feel start
for themselves. They got right back to it. Renner equalizes
the game. Then we come to find out that that
Pat Nowton had called Brenner over and told him he
was coming out of the game, and Brenner begged him,
you know, let me stay in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
I got another one in me, And boy did he ever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
He sure did, He sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
It just felt to me like FC needed something to
get him going at home like that and back against
the wall. I was like, you know, after they scored,
my good because you know, that's the wake up call
they needed otherwise you lose. And sure enough they answered,
and then of course in the waning minutes of regulation
they scored the go ahead goal and that was, by
the way, minutes stopage time. Tommy explain how that is

(01:30:07):
very uncommon.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Somebody has a faulty stopwatch as.

Speaker 11 (01:30:12):
Far as I'm concerned, because when that number went up,
like what, I didn't show this on the boot camp,
but Kevin and I just looked at each other like
what do you mean nine minutes to stop at time?
They got agregious and yeah, I don't know. I don't
know where he got it from because there was a
couple of little injuries. I mean there was They never

(01:30:35):
went to the monitor, so I don't know how they possibly.
You know, there wasn't a lot of bookings. I don't
know where he got nine minutes from, but boy he did,
and and those nine minutes fell like nine hours. There
really was as a second kicked off to get to
that full time whistle because obviously Columbus, with their life
on the line, they're throwing everything at it, creating chances.

(01:30:58):
Roman had to make, you know, one big stave in there.
So yeah, it was a little bit of a chaotic
stretch there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
And that nine minutes was was shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
And if you're new to soccer, so how it works.
The clock runs and then they dictate, Okay, if someone
goes down with an injury, there's a stoppage, I add
all those minutes up and then put it at the end.
And it's always a running clock. And you know, I've
watched a number of well most of the games this season,
and you can attest to this, Tommy. You know, it's
like sometimes you know, two minutes maybe a four or five.
Nine is like, I don't know if I've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
That this year.

Speaker 11 (01:31:30):
Yeah, I mean I think we had a game at
some point that was ten or eleven minutes maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
But there was a reason. You know, there's a big injury.

Speaker 11 (01:31:40):
There's a lot of bookings, there's a video review that
takes three or four minutes. There was some science behind it. Man,
it didn't feel like there was any times behind this one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
It was it was shocking to say the least. And yeah,
I mean we did.

Speaker 11 (01:31:56):
We were shaking our heads and holding our breaths for
nine minutes to get to the full time with.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Can you imagine had Columbus in that nine minute score
to tied it up and it goes to a shoot.
I mean, we would say, okay, there's a curse. There's
a curse, right, We're cursed.

Speaker 11 (01:32:10):
Yeah, it would have been uh, I may have gotten
sick in the booth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Who knows.

Speaker 11 (01:32:14):
That would have been Uh, that'd have been a very
very concerning situation.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Fortunately we didn't have to talk about that.

Speaker 11 (01:32:22):
Nothing but nothing but sun shine after that one, But man,
it was Yeah. I think I think if I was
talking to a couple, a couple of family members of
the coaches afterwards, and they were talking about how many
years they were thinking got shaved off their life across.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
That ninety minute plus nine affair. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, he is a Tommy g Voice of FC Cincinnati
on to face Lionel Messi in or Miami in two weeks.
That seems like a long time between matches.

Speaker 8 (01:32:49):
It is.

Speaker 11 (01:32:50):
Uh, it's the you know, unfortunate reality of the way
the Major League Soccer schedules stacked up as it stands
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
You know, with the playoff break, we have.

Speaker 11 (01:33:01):
An international break here coming up next weekend, so a
lot of guys are going out on international do So
you can't imagine playing Miami and not having Miles Robinson,
not av in Rominton Tonnel, not having teenager Davy you know,
guys who have been called into the national teams regularly.
So you know that that's the concern.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
That's why I take the break.

Speaker 11 (01:33:19):
But you're right, you lose kind of some momentum because
you're sitting here, all right, let's go, let's get after it.
But they got a couple of bumps and bruises, so
let's look at.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
The other side of it.

Speaker 11 (01:33:27):
We'll have a couple of guys who will be able
to get some needed rest, get healthy or healthier for
that matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
And and you look out the window right now, I
hope the.

Speaker 11 (01:33:38):
Weather is just like this from that game when the
boys from.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Miami show up. You know, that would be nice.

Speaker 11 (01:33:43):
I hope, I hope there's some snow blowing through the
stadium that it's you know, a solid twenty nine degrees
a kick off good and and those boys from Florida
want anything but to get back on that warm bus.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
My Bills got roughed up by the Dolphins yesterday. Yesterday
I watched that game. You come from the cold weather
and you play where it's ninety degrees. It looks like
they're running through quicksand for most of the game, and
they're good for one of those wins down there like that.
Every couple of years against my Bills, it's the same thing.
And they come up when they come up north here
to Cincinnati. You know, a couple of inches of the

(01:34:15):
snow or cold weather. Good good. It's turned about his
fair play and you got Leonal Messi come out of town,
which is going to bring the international media along. Is
always the cases, so a lot of pressure there. Would
you have rather had Nashville than Miami.

Speaker 11 (01:34:30):
You know, listening on paper, probably Nashville is an easier matchup.
But and I think you know a team that f
Shecincentni has handled well this year, But come on, bring
it like you want to be the best in the league.
You got to beat the best, and they're one of
the best. Tied with fccon NADDY in the regular season
on points, but she Cincinni.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Had more wins so that's why this game is here
and not there.

Speaker 11 (01:34:50):
So I say, bring it on, like you want to
avenge out the lost that you contain lost, you know
in the US Open Cup semifinals to Messy and Miami
and twenty twenty three. So let's let's let's let's go.
You can avenge another you know lost.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
In that building and uh, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
See what lies ahead of that, whether that's you know,
Philadelphia and you got to go on the road or
New York City at home in the conference final. But no,
I think ter Stay has matched up well against Miami
at t qu Stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
So bringing on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yeah, and it's so fun to watch too, with especially
slaying that dragon and beating Columbus two to one on
Saturday to advance of this whole thing as well. You
mentioned earlier Roman Celatano when he had well, I think
four saves in the game, but at least two of
those things were absolutely massive.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Yeah, yeah, big big moments.

Speaker 11 (01:35:39):
Uh you know, playoff playoff Roman is so impressive. He's
been so good now, twelve playoff games in his career. Yeah,
he's just been really, really good and for a fourth
year pro. That's all he knows is the playoffs and
he's crushed it. So that's great when you know you
have a reliable goalkeeper in those situation, that's a big,

(01:36:01):
big bonus for the squad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
You know, Brenner gets that one. And in his story
is interesting too because he is with the team from
Saint Paulo and then he comes back and he's transferred
back to an Italian club and he missed the twenty
twenty three playoff run Columbus eliminating Cincinnati Eastern Conference, so
ials remember that as well. His his comeback story is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 11 (01:36:23):
You know, he left under not so great terms, you
know when he when he took off for Italy and Una,
you know, early in the twenty twenty three season after
having a really good twenty twenty two season, And you know,
if you had told me then that he was going
to be back in scoring a brace against Columbus to
help that f she since any advance in the twenty
twenty five playoffs, probably would have told you're crazy. But

(01:36:46):
you know, some fences were mended, and he certainly seems
more mature and that there's been quite a bit of
growth in the two and a half years since he
was here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Previously. So you know, I give a credit to Brenner.

Speaker 11 (01:36:57):
I give a credit I know Jeff Berding was big
and building the break, Chris Albright and Pat Noonan for
being open minded to all right, we could bring this
guy in and it's gonna be different than when he left.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And he's been so good in the short.

Speaker 11 (01:37:09):
Amount of time that he's been back with the team
and obviously scored the two goals to help s C.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Cincinnati win on Saturday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Yeah, the foresight of Chris Albrough to to do that
to get him back for the postseason was pretty smart.

Speaker 11 (01:37:22):
Yeah. I mean, listen, he knew that there were some
holes in the roster and that they needed to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
They brought in a couple of teching players.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
They brought in Sammy Geede who's been fantastic in the
defensive midfield, and they started all three.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Games against Columbus.

Speaker 11 (01:37:36):
You know, they addressed their needs, brought it into at
Schnik in additional outside talent who's looked amazing. So yeah,
I give Chris a lot of credit. He nailed all
of his summer targets and they's put this team in
a position to succeed and compete for.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
MLS Cup, which is ultimate goal.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Yeah, and he also obviously have to talk about your coach,
Pat Noonan, but he pulled Yankey out of the game
for Jabbari. At the end, I'm like, oh man, why
are you taking him out? That's the guy. And then
it turns out that was the absolute correct decision.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
Yeah, no, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Listen, it's not it's easy to sit in your seat
on my seat and say, hey, are you sure.

Speaker 11 (01:38:16):
About this one, coach, But he's paid to make those
decisions right, and listen, There'll be times in life that
that they're not executed perfectly, but this one was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
He had a feeling right.

Speaker 11 (01:38:27):
And that's how you have to manage these games as
the head coach, and you live and die with those decisions.
But he felt like the fresh legs of au Jubori
would be helpful to size and we saw that in
being able to pull that ball down in the box,
which that ends up setting up that game winning goal.

Speaker 7 (01:38:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
And after the of course, the blowout in game two,
setting up Game three as it were back in TQL Stadium,
storybook ending for the club as they advanced to inter
Miami in two weeks after international tests. How far can
this club go realistically?

Speaker 11 (01:38:57):
I mean they have all the pieces on him and
just serious to win MLS Cup. I've been saying that
for since August when they brought in. You don't address
the needs like we just talked about, It's not gonna
be easy because look, you're gonna take on Messi and
his best friends and enter Miami. But that game is here, Okay,
big advantage. Then you turn around and you potentially have

(01:39:19):
to go to Philadelphia. You know, doptin Pointsville on the way.
Otherwise that game would have been in Cincinnati. Philadelphia deserve
a champ of the Supporter Shield, So if they win,
if they beat New York City, then that game will
be on the road. But if it's New York City,
it's here. But that's been a team that day, very
super golt time with this year. Listen, we'll worry about

(01:39:40):
that when we get there. But they got to win
three more to lift MLS Cup. And we know MLS
Cup final would be n TQL Stadium, which is beautiful,
So uh, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Not far off. Is it gonna be easy? Absolutely not.

Speaker 11 (01:39:54):
No matter who they play on the way out, it's
going to be a really really difficult challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
But it's a playoffs, it should be a really difficult right.

Speaker 11 (01:40:00):
Yeah, it's not going to be a cakewalk, but there's
no question they have the coach, they have the staff,
and they have all the pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
That they need to win MLS Cup.

Speaker 11 (01:40:10):
Now it's a matter of going out and executing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
It for three more games, all right, twenty first, I
believe right before Christmas twenty twenty third, I've seen multiple
dates on this.

Speaker 11 (01:40:21):
No, No, MLS Cup is a Saturday, Okay, December Day, Yeah,
that's Saturday, all right, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Well regardless, you'll be there. Tommy, Hey, thanks for jumping on.
Let's thanks for jumping on, brother, appreciate you enjoyed that
call a lot. That is Tommy G. Voice of the
FC Cincinnati Club advancing. Great call, almost as good as
this cul