11-7-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott breaks down proposed new OVI rules in Ohio Senate bill 55 with attorney Jeff Meadows. Also Dr Sal Giorgianni explains the impact on the Trump GLP-1 price deal. Finally intimacy coordinator Brook Haney explains how her industry keeps sex scenes in movies from becoming porn scenes.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You don't want to be an American. Scott flown on
seven hundred. Will do what you need to know this
morning is important if you're gonna got to have a
good time this weekend or any time for that matter,
Encourage you not to drink and drive or smoke and
drive because it's just it's not worth it. But they're
changing the OVI laws, at least they want to. It's
Ohio Senate Bill fifty five, and that would definitely I'm

(00:22):
looking at this going, Matt. I got a lot of
issues with it. Namely, it's not the smoking and the
edibles and the stuff with THHC and now especially with
the CBD of SAYH slash THHD and fused beverages that
are extremely popular right now you can get in bars
at the General Assembly just figured out how to do that.
Now you're gonna get a whole bunch of people who
may enjoy those beverages that wind up getting stopped and

(00:44):
arrested and charged well after they consume that beverage, like
days later on that jeff Meadows from the Law Metals
Law Firm, making sense of it. Jeffrey, how's life great?
Everything is fine? I could be driving right now, like,
I think you're on your way to Batavia. You said,
so this time a year with the fall, well with
the leaves, and our looks good, beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, nice
little drive. So the bill pass the Ohio Senate unanimously.

(01:06):
It's in the House Judiciary Committee, and that looks like
it's going to move forward. So the big question a
while with them, because you're listening this going, well, maybe I,
you know, like to go out and have a few
drinks or smoke or whatever it is. Can you explain
like what the problems they're trying to fix.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So there's two issues in under Ohio viilaw as it
relates to marijuana and marijuana by products. When we consume
a marijuana product, the chemical compound that gets us high
makes this happy, hungry, sleepy, whatever is delta nine THCHC

(01:44):
or what's commonly referred to as THHC. THHC then breaks
down into something called hydroxy THCHC, which is the first
past metabolite that further breaks down into something called carboxy THHC.
And under the current law, it's there is a per

(02:06):
se limit for metabolites and for actual THC. And when
I say a per se limit. Most people are familiar
with alcohol, it's point oh eight. If you're a point
oh eight or higher, you're guilty. It doesn't matter whether
you're buzzed or hammered or not. Same thing with marijuana.
Problem with this, especially as it relates to the metabolites,

(02:27):
is CARBOXYPHC. We currently have a limit of thirty five
nanograms in urine, and it doesn't matter if there's thirty
five nanograms of carboxy in your urine or thirty five million.
It has zero psychoactive properties. What that means is it
doesn't affect your ability to do anything. It doesn't make god,

(02:51):
it doesn't make you hungry, doesn't make you tired. It
doesn't affect your ability to stand, walk, talk, or most
importantly drive.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So we've had this loss for.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
A number of years now, and anyone even prior to
the legalization of recreational marijuana. If you went to Las
Vegas and you got highs a kite and legally in
Las Vegas under Las Vegas ball not Petereral law. Course,
when you fly home and get in your car and

(03:21):
cross over the river into Ohio, you're guilty because this
carboxy THC metabolite is stored in your fat cells, and
it's going to be there's gonna be a different retention
period forever.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Got so instead of kind of bringing around with all
the numbers and that, Jeff Metters, what you're saying is is, basically,
this would be like, we know that the alcohol is
a component with beer or wine or whiskey that gets
you drunk. Alcohol obviously evaporates quickly, you metabolize it fairly
quickly compared to this and once it's gone to sit
side of your system, but there could be some components

(03:57):
in that wine or beer whiskey that remain in your
body because it's a nutrient for lack of a better term,
and it's going to hang around so your body digest
I'd be like testing for those components of it.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It'd be like the apple flavor in I don't know,
Crown Royal, for example, hangs around longer than the alcohol does.
Be Okay, we got you because you've got too much
apple in your system. Same thing here. It's a component
that doesn't get you high, but it's an after effect
and artifact from the original product. So you know, it
could be two days, three days, which is why when
you have a drug test, you know, okay, well I

(04:27):
can't smoke for thirty days because it takes that long
for those metabolites to get out of your system. You're
not high in day twenty nine, but the metabolites are
still there.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Correct, And actually alcohol Scott has a metabolite. It's called
apple gluecroon EI or ETG. It hangs around in your
body for up to eighty hours. And some probation departments,
who you know, they do urine test for ETG to
see if probation or inter drinking. So that'd be like
testing people that leave a judicial fundraiser, a prosecutors.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Fundraiser lodge testing them two days.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Later, Hey, you're guilty, and that would be moronic. So
but what SB fifty five does. There is a per
se limit for actual THHC presently of two nanograms in
your whole blood, and SB fifty five raises that from

(05:24):
two to five. And in doing a little bit of
prep for our discussion this morning, I actually found an
article that was submitted by an opponent of Senate Bill
fifty five, and it's a seven page letter that is
actually I was very skeptical going into it, but I

(05:47):
read and I'm like, this guy's pretty smart. And it
talks about how people, based on scientific studies, chronic users
of marijuana product can test it five nanograms any time
of the day when they're not impaired whatsoever. And the
crux of this letter to the Senate was that any

(06:10):
per se limit for marijuana is still advised. And again
it's it's based in some pretty solid studies. There was
one study from a guy over in Europe that I've
actually attended some of his lectures, right and aw Jones,

(06:31):
And this is actually cites actual science, which oftentimes our
General Assembly doesn't.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh, they don't want to look at Jeff Meadows.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It made me think of what we've just talked about
previously with like the CBD you know, can't drink bands
and stuff because the craft beer industry is fading out
and a local brewery's Ryan Geist fifty West, all those
guys are coming up with new products. And it was,
you know, CBD infused or THC infused drinks, and there's
a nuance between the THC that you extract from and

(07:03):
you know, from from hamp and from from marijuana, and
there's a nuance there. And I get that. I don't
want to mingle the two together. But point is people
drinking and go wow, I like the feeling better than
alcohol by drinking these THC infused drinks that comes from
hamp and not marijuana. Would would this all get caught
in there too? So someone who's maybe you go, hey, man,
I don't care. I don't you know. I don't use

(07:24):
tin cheer, I don't smoke, I don't do edibles, but
I enjoyed the THHC infused beverages. Would would people also
be subject to this? Does that work as well?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
So the short answer is yes. Delta THC, which is largely.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
What's derived from the hemp product, can cause you to
test positive or over certain limits depending on the frequency
and quantity of use for the marijuana metabolite. So Cinebill
fifty five was a wife bipartisan bill. It passed the
Senate unanimously, and now it's in the House Judiciary Committee,

(08:02):
and it completely eliminated this metabolite section of our OVII
Wall forty five eleven nineteen of the Higher Revised Code.
So a first glance, it's awesome because it completely gets
rid of the per se component of metabolite it does
say that a finder of facts, whether it's a judge

(08:23):
or jury, can consider a chemical test namely learned along
with any other competent evidence, an officer's observation, you know,
what he smells, what he sees on your performance. But
the problem again is that the carboxy THC, which is

(08:46):
typically the only thing you're ever going to see identified
any urine test, is not psychoactive, So there shouldn't be
impairment psychomotor skills or fields based solely on marijuana metabit
Interesting does that actually, by the way, Jeff Meadows, he's
an attorney, Metal's law from one of the great ov

(09:06):
I attorneys.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's Ohio Senate Bill fifty five. And even if you
don't live on how you should know this because it
changes our OVI laws and basically the way it changes
metabolite testing for OVI, metabolizes will left over the byproduct
from using THHC, so marijuana or in this case, some
of those THD infused beverages that the state legislatures will
wound up cleaning up so you can continue to enjoy those,

(09:29):
if you drink those, if you smoke edibles, whatever, You
could be jammed up in this thing because the metabolizes
or this hang around much much longer than the effects,
the high effects that you'd have. It's kind of like,
you know, doing a breathalyzer test after you had a
few drinks three or four or five or twenty nine
days later. It's not fair. And I wonder. I can't

(09:49):
help but think that this is like a de facto
way to get people to use less marijuana, because we
know the state legislature absolutely hates anyone who uses marijuana.
They fought tooth and nail against all this thing. For
whatever reason. Is this a way to undermine the demand
for it?

Speaker 3 (10:06):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Are telling what they're thinking. But you know, there's some
good language in this, like I said, eliminating the pers
day limits for the metabolize, you know, and if you're
sitting at home in the evening watching Super Troopers and
then marijuana, you shouldn't be convicted of an ov I

(10:30):
for driving to work the next day when the active
THHD is gone.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
He is a Jeff Meadows Attorney's a lawyer, scientist, the
Metals law firm. Ov I guy. And again it's an
Ohio Senate Bill fifty five pass unanimously a change ov laws.
If you got pulled over on a Friday. Let's say
you get pulled over on a Friday night, take me
through that stop. If you had some of these metabolites
in your system. Let's say you're out having some of
those beverages that have THC in them. Maybe you did

(10:55):
that on Friday and it's now Sunday and you get
pulled over before lane violation and the officer suspects that
you have You've been pulled over and you've been using
I don't know, either alcohol or that type of drug.
How do you defend that? What's the process like from
the first out?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, honestly, Scott, I mean is the starting point. If
I'm going to go out and have beverages, I actually
uber from home. That way, I'm never tempted to drive
you home. Yeah, and it amazes me I still have
a job with all the ride share opportunities. But if
you do, because it is legal to drink and then
get in the cars, why there's parking lot at every bar. Right,

(11:36):
you know, always be polite, respectful, hand your documents to
the officer.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Quite frankly, I'm a.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fan of rolling the window all the way down. This
bull craft of cracking your window and sliding your license out.
Everybody knows what that's about. Your hiding something. Just roll
your damn window down and give them your documents. Let
that car air out a little bit. When they ask
you if you've had anything to drink or smoke or edibles,

(12:04):
I think at that point you just invoke your constitutional right.
The officer, I'd like to have an attorney if you
want to question me. I really don't want to answer
any questions. It is none of their business where you're
coming from and where you're going to. So when they say, so,
where are you coming from? Officer not answering that question.
Where are you headed? Not answering that question either. If

(12:24):
you want to keep questioning me, I'd like to talk
to a lawyer. We can call Metos right now. His
numbers three h nine.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Jeffs my mood.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
When they tell you to get out of the car,
get out, they've got fifty thousand bolts.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
On their hip to coerce you if you don't.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And then I recommend nobody do field sobrieties, especially the
eye test. When they're moving their finger or pin across
your field of vision, they're looking for a neurological condition
called nice stagnus. Most of the people who administer this
test on a regular basis have more.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Education than these officers do. They're called brain surgeons.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And it's a test that's administered routinely every day in
neurology and ophthalmology offices. These are people that have significant
education and experience. When you've got an officer doing these
tests and you're looking into the sun, you're looking at
rotating lights. They're doing it on the side of the
road with cars going buy a fifty five or eighty

(13:27):
miles an hour. Overwhelmingly. Now that we have body worn camera,
I can zoom in on my client space and see
that there is verifiably no nice stagnat even though the
officers believe they see it. And I don't think they're
lying when they put it in their.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Rowe Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's confirmation by.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
It, right, Yeah, And that's what it is. That's why
you never you know, you have lawyers and judges and
they get put they never take the test. You just say, listen,
I'm not doing any I'll talk to an attorney. Can
they force you to take a blood alcohol test? You've
got to get a court order.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
For that, correct, Yeah, you got to have a warrant.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And you know, like the doormat at my in my
house has come back with a warrant.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Come back with a warrant. Yeah, that's a bait. And
that's that's just one on one kind of stuff there.
But they change these laws and then you wonder, Okay, well,
is it just gonna make it? Is? Is it? Is
it the fact a way to prevent people from enjoying
what we wanted, and that is recreational and in cases
medicinal marijuana and Ohio is Jeff Meadow's attorney with the
Metals Law Firm. What's that number again?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Five nine, Jeff is myself hopefully it's going to be
going up here.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, I hope not. That's the thing is, it's like,
you know, it's a you represent your clients very very well,
you're the best, but at the same times, like you
shouldn't do it and you wouldn't have to call Jeff
and because it's a it's a pain in the ass.
From what I understand, I've never done it and I
hope never have to call you. Jeff. I'm trying in
my almost sixty years of life. Never to do that.
So all the best, buddy, have a good one. I
appreciate the insight.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Thanks you two. Have a great weekend, yeap.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Stuff you need to know as you head into the weekend.
Here the city of Cincinnati can get and not get
out of their own way. Interesting observation. All of the
people that they have had fired in their administrative staffs,
you know, chiefs and fire and they're either black or female.
You notice that. And yet where's the outrage from the
people who are outraged about the one white guy being

(15:22):
the victim during the July brawls. We'll get into that. Plus,
do you know how binge watching start? You gonna binge
watch this weekend? The weather the way it is no football,
the story behind that and how it actually started has
nothing to do with COVID, by the way, nothing to
do with COVID. We'll get into that next afternoons on
The Scotsland Show. On this Friday morning on the home
of the best Bengals coverage. Except this weekend where the
Bengals are idle, They're off thereby there's no way they

(15:44):
can lose this weekend. Can the Bengals lose this weekend?
How many points. Can the defense give up? It's impossible.
It's statistically impossible for the Bengals to lose this weekend.
You can't do it. They're not playing, they're idle, and
yet and yet come Monday morning it's the Bengals. So
home of the best Bengals coverage one hundred Friday morning
sloany here seven hundred. Got that weather moving in for

(16:06):
sure football Friday night looks like the ring to move
out for for football tonight. So and then Sunday the
big cool down hits. But no football then because both
you see and the Bengals are off done. Not sure
when the last time that happened.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
I was.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'll ask Austin Elmore at ten thirty about that for you,
A right good trivia question. Just put this up on
my x feet at Scott Sloan from Scott for local guy.
You know, we talked about the effects of crime and
the like in downtown c I know the election's over,
kind of maybe tired of hearing about it, but you
know these things, as they say, elections have consequences, and
the decisions made by how we police also has consequences.

(16:41):
And on that the video is kind of striking now
I can't attribute to how it's been edited or you know,
if it is indeed was shot last night. But according
to the guy who posted this, he was in lives
downtown and was on Vine Street Thursday night, walking up
and down Vine Street, and it literally is a ghost town.
Like for the sake of the city, I hope that

(17:02):
that was shot wasn't shot last night. It was you know,
maybe a Sunday night or something like that. But it's
pretty frightening because there literally is no one there and
it's now wasn't that long ago when on a Thursday
night in downtown Cincinnati it's hard to get a table.
There's hardly anyone in the Eagle, for example, and normally

(17:22):
it's like a ninety minute wait to get an Eagle
for fried chicken, and plenty of other bars and restaurants
where there's literally no one in there. And I hope
to God again it was taken out of context. I
don't think it was. I don't know what the motive
would be to do that. I mean the street car,
there's no one on it. There's literally no one downtown.
And I know I've known some folks who worked down
there and had businesses down there that Yeah, they've seen
a significant decline the number of people there. The fear

(17:44):
is now that summer's over, there's gonna be a fewer people.
And you think about last night. I mean, it was
comfortable outside. It was it wasn't summer, wasn't hot, But
it wasn't like the weather gonna hap on Sunday for sure,
And so the weather was not an excuse. There really
wasn't a whole lot of other things going on to
distract people. It wasn't like a Super Bowl Sunday people. Yeah,
it was just it's just kind of frightening. And you

(18:05):
can't help but think that one of the big factors,
if not the main factor, it is the violence downtown
and people are afraid to go downtown. You know, I've
said before, Look, I'm not I don't really have that
much of a fear of downtown. I'm little more alert
and more aware and situationally aware. I'm kind of always
that way. There are certain places I probably wouldn't go
that time at night, especially the late night, maybe after

(18:26):
like eleven or twelve o'clocks, or the when the clubs
are closed and I'm in bettering because I'm old that
won't be me not go to the clubs. There's a
velvet rope and security guys with guns and body armor
and they got metal detectors. Like, yeah, there's a place
that idn't need to go into, and I gotta pay
a cover to get in. Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
I'm good. I'm good. But that's that's kind of frightening,

(18:48):
and that's a huge problem if that doesn't need the case,
especially as heading the cold and wetter months when fear
people do go downtown, and you wonder how many these
places are going to close as a result of that.
I guess I hope they got it doesn't true and
it's a mischaracterization, but I have a fear it's not.
The city is also the subject of a wrongful termination
lawsuit by the former fire chief, Mike Washington, and a

(19:10):
federal justice rejected the city's argument city monitor to dismiss
this thing. I was like, there's no cause, there's no
reason for this, summarily dismissing. The judge said, no, there
is something here, and Washington is looking for punitive damages
and back paying loss benefits. He says he was wrongly dismissed.
Now the nicest wrinkle on this whole thing is Fox nineteen,
a Trician men Atrician rob had this assistant fire chief

(19:31):
Sherman Smith, has been fired for helping Washington's lawsuit. And
he's a thirty one year veteran. He's been on the
job for thirty one They're over three decades, and this
is now the third assistant chief vacancy we have in
the city. I'm just curious because in the context of
what just happened on Tuesday, all the people they fired

(19:52):
so far who have lost their jobs from Chief Washington,
the other assistant chiefs Terry Thigi, et cetera, are either
black or female. And you know, and I bring this
up because we saw the race card being played during
the July brawl, and the race card was played very,
very hard. It looks like that race card was played wrongly.
And no one's backing away from this because while you
can't apologize as you're getting stuff wrong, if this were

(20:15):
Cranleigh or I know, Corey Bowman, for example, wouldn't there
be outrage in the fact that now we're dismissing minorities,
people of color, women, et cetera. And it happens in
under this administration Democrats, and it's not a big deal.
Why is it only a big deal when it happens
the other way? I mean, if race, if we want
to have racial balance and harmony and tree just get

(20:36):
and who doesn't agree with that, we should all be
treated the same unless you're an a hole. If you're
an a hole, you deserve to be treated like you are.
You deserve to be discriminated against peace. If you're a jerk, okay,
but if you're cool, like ninety nine percent of the world,
it really shouldn't it's really shouldn't matter. So it's day
idea inclusiveness and all the cohesion and handhold it. So

(20:58):
it's all good, But then practice like wait a minut,
and well we're are these same people who are screaming
about the fact that you need to charge a white
guy because black folks were charged. And it turns out, well,
he was a victim in this case because we saw
the video that just came out. It was leaked out
by the way, the city didn't want you to see it.
If that's indeed the case, and we're talking about racial
justice in Cincinnati, and yah, you've charged black folks. Care's

(21:19):
the white guy too. Okay, Well, should they be complaining
about this because we have a pattern here, don't we Well,
of course it's about something else, which, of course it
always is. It's funny who the fine line between a
you know, a patriot and a terrorist or in this case,

(21:40):
a trader or a whistleblower. They love whistleblowers when it's
big corporations or Trump or whatever. But you got a whistleblower,
and I don't know if isn't that how you describe
Sherman Smith, the assistant chief who's been let go, like
he's a whistleblower. No, he's not. He's he's a trader.
He's hurting the city, he's undermine me. There's a lot

(22:02):
going on here. There's a lot to unpack right there,
and probably too much to unpack on a Friday morning.
I apologize, I apologize. Here's this is a bit lighter
for you, do you know how? And I'll do this
because Will Gance is off today. It's like a lot
of people are off today. It's just one of those days.
It's fine, the show goes on. You know, Binge watching started,

(22:24):
Binge watch well, binge watch well, dummy, Yeah, because of
COVID we had nothing better do with, but we were
a binge watching well before COVID. I just read this
in thrills. This is really interesting. So in two thousand
and six Netflix go back to two thousand and six,
almost twenty years ago, when Netflix was a DVD rental service.
If you did not know this or younger, this is fascinating.

(22:46):
So it started the DVD, which is a disc that
you put in a machine in the movie or the
show is on a disc. And then he had play
and you couldn't really rewind it. I mean you could
rewind it and watch it skim through, and it was
a lot easier than the VCR and I don't want
to tell you what a vcarspent. And before that, it
was beta in before that, so disc you put it.
It was a DVD rental surface and I forget how

(23:09):
it worked, but they'd mail them to you basically what
had happened, and they'd mail you like two or three
or four shows or movies. They're all movies back then,
and then you'd watch them and then mail them back,
and then when they got them back, they'd send you
more if you so subscribe to the ones you wanted
and at the time, the CEO of the company had
a software called Cinematch and that was their recommendation surface.

(23:29):
So the idea was, hey, we have the software and
it's intuitive and based on the kind of themes that
we see you renting, so you know, maybe your drama
or horror or comedy or whatever it is, and go, Okay,
you like that show, you may like this movie as well.
And that was like, no one was doing that back
in two thousand and six. And they had the Cinematch

(23:51):
software and this program that they wrote, this elegance an algorithm,
and they kind of hit a wall with it and
it was okay, it wasn't really great, but we didn't
know how to make it better. They introduced something called
the Netflix Prize, and the Netflix Prize in two thousand
and six they offered a million dollars to improve the

(24:15):
recommendation algorithm, that Cinematch algorithm by ten percent. Just improve
it by ten percent and we'll do the rest million dollars.
And when you offer a million dollars today or even
back in two thousand and six, especially, they had something
like thirty thousand participants. You had professionals, you had people
in colleges, and universities, academics, you had hobbyists, you had

(24:38):
garage tinkers that everyone's working because I wanted a million dollars.
And the winner that they chose a little bit later
came up with a algorithm that allowed them to get
one hundred plus million ratings of almost eighteen thousand movies
from a half million customers. They it just opened this

(25:01):
floodgates to spick it, so they awarded them the Netflix Prize. Now,
if you think about that, that was probably one of
the first examples of what we now call crowdsourcing and
maybe one of the most successful crowdsources of all time.
That really put that on the map, because today the
algorithm is now not only used by Netflix, is used
by everybody including your social feed and now AI I mean,

(25:26):
that's incredible, right, what incredible story. And there are problems
along the way because they are inconsistencies, and you know,
some people will just do a couple of movies. Some
people are you know, it's like I don't know, like
Yelp or something, you know, you have somebody may occasionally
do a review, and then you have the super people
you read or whatever it is, or are going to
do ten thousand reviews themselves, and they also had a

(25:47):
hard time figuring out movies that were a little like
Napoleon Dynamite. How do you polarize? You know, how do
you it's a polarizing movie. It's like either you love
or you hate it. It's really hard to predict what
else you're gonna lie if you like those movies, and
what category is that? Actually?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Comedy? Is it? It's kind of weird getting with a
con brothers, for example, And so they had to work
through those things. So it wasn't really wasn't overnight. But
this opened the floodgate for algorithms, so all the stuff
that you see now, and of course the downside of
algorithms would be we want to kill each other as
a result of all the algorithms, because all we're doing
is doom scrolling and just seeing a steady feed of

(26:24):
horrible things for most of us. And it just in
the minute we get eyes on something, what do we do?
We want more of it and so it goes. But
this all started was started by a contest that Netflix
did in two thousand and six really put crowdsourcing on
the map, but in particular the algorithms that have led
to where we are today as a society. Isn't that fascinating?

(26:44):
I thought it was too, So now you're thinking, wow, DVDs.
It's all started with the damn DVDs. Yeah, I got
time to get into this because ye this there's a
good Friday topic as well. I don't know anyone who
actually ever consumed this. It's something that exists that you

(27:08):
would go, oh yeah, yeah, wait a minute, that's still around.
There's Doctor Pepper and you see the I think the
Fansville commercials are hilarious. I think they're great. They do
a good job of and that's doctor Pepper, all right,
and you have doctor Pepper. You got Pepper zero, you
got all different flavors of that died. Doctor Pepper is huge.

(27:29):
So Doctor Pepper's been around for a while. Back in
the day, Coca Cola, that's a Pepsi brand, and Coca
Cola came out and said, well, we got to do
something to rival Dr Pepper, and they came out with
a product called mister pib PIBB. Mister pib apparently it's
been a way for almost a quarter century, and now
they're bringing mister pib back Coca Cola is and the

(27:51):
formula contains thirty percent more caffeine than the one that replaced,
called pib Extra. But so mister Pip is back. It's
I guess it's It's called a bold kick of cherry
cherry flair with carmel hints in a spicy finish, kind
of like Doctor Pepper. Anybody want to talk about what?
What the hell's doctor pep?

Speaker 5 (28:09):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Someone said it's prune, other people said it's just vanilla,
It's no one really knows. Kind of like steak sauce.
You know, there's raisins in that really raisins and stakes.
Hey one, Yeah, they rolled us out in closest places Michigan.
They got in Chicago, Florida, and they're gonna start rolling
the house next year. And there's also a zero sugar availion.

(28:30):
But they started this in nineteen seventy two as a
product called Peppo to complete Pete with Doctor Pepper, and
then of course they sued them, and then they changed
the name and they went to mister Pibb. And I'm
not quite sure that came from mister Pibb, but they're
gonna roll this thing. It's one of those things, you go,
why they're gonna roll the back out. I don't know
anyone who ever said, Wow, you guys got mister pib Hey,
what can I get? Would you like to do?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
You?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Okay, what's what drink would you like?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Coke, Pepsi, mountain dew sprite, got Fanta? No one ever said,
y'all got mister pib one of the I like oreos,
there is a great No one ever went, I think
hydrocks is better. Id you know what I'm saying. Anyway,
we've got news on the way in about ten minutes

(29:15):
here on seven hundred. Wow. Usual suspect kind of off today,
so we're kind of rolling. I know. Later in the show,
we got the doctor Sale, who's our resident doctor of pharmacy?
Did you hear that? President Trump at the White House
just struck a deal with the two big manufacturers Eli
Lilly and Novo UH to lower the price of GLP
one injectables, which is the miracle drug that's causing people

(29:39):
to lose up to about thirty pounds. Well, we know
they're cheating. You know, you can go online now and
get you know, prescribed over the phone or online online
pharmacistem the houture that works. Okay, to do the injectible,
it's I think once a week or whatever for a
few months, and you lose up to thirty pounds. Great,
Now you got to change your diet habits following that
or during that, because if you go back to eat

(29:59):
an entire sheet pizza and a five pound bag of
Doritos dipped in ranch, you're going to put that weight
back on. So you've got to change a lifestyle and
exercise and eat right as well. But for a lot
of people, we have now seen the obese rate in
America actually go down for a change, which is something
that's unprecedented. I have never seen that before whatsoever. And
now the numbers are going back down and are locked. Okay,

(30:21):
that's good. Now. I don't know if that's a permanent thing,
but hey, we're moving in the right direction. The President
also is now seeing how medicare can also include that
as well, So you're just going to see. The point
is it's going to bring the cost down because so
many more people have it, we're producing more of it.
But also now that it's pretty much going to be common,
a lot more people are going to get ENNGLP once

(30:41):
and maybe that to you, maybe it's been cost prohibitive.
I think when this just started just a couple of
years ago, it was I want to say, close to
one thousand dollars a month, I think is what I heard. Yeah,
like like well over one thousand dollars a month, where
GLP was twelve hundred bucks a month. And now those
costs are down one hundred so it's going to be
even less now. I could imagine. It's the governments off
from this whole thing. So they struck a deal and

(31:03):
everybody's going to be on this stuff, and at some
point it's just going to be you know, when you
go in to get a mister pib, they're going to
have the GLP one in the mister pib. It's going
to be pib LP one or something like that. We're
headed to five one, three, seven nine, the big one.
Let me go to Jim Claremont County on seven hundred.
W W Jim, good morning.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I saw me.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
One thing I don't like about listening to is you
make me laugh so much. I got to go to
the bathroom anyway.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Gotta get rid of that, mister pidd.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah, but you were talking to earlier about that next
flick thing. I remember the I remember the Columbia house
saying music thing when I was in ice work.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Fine job, remember that, Yeah, you get so it was
like a penny and you'd get thirteen records or cassettes
or eight tracks for a penny. And then the agreement was,
I think for the next fifty years you have to buy.
You have to buy once a month the Columbia Record
and Tape. But once in a while you'll like, you know,
just get down a rabbit hole up this weekend. Be

(32:05):
good for it. You know, you're in a website or
something like that, you're like, oh my god, look at
that ad from you know, nineteen eighty four, the Columbia
Record and Tape Club. It was pretty cool. I remember
like every every teenager had, you know, you had that job. Well,
if you working as a teenager, like the first thing
you do get little money is getting that Columbia record
table and they shit you a big box had all
the great hits in it, right, And I was like, yeah,

(32:26):
now you know about like the commitment of the contract
is for the next several years you have to buy.
I think it's like one one a month or something
like that. So yeah, days going on. Now you just
you know, subscribe to iHeart or Spotify whatever it is,
and you get unlimited take it all the fun. It's
like concert tickets. You just have to camp out to
get concert tickets. Now you don't even get the ticket anymore.
It's on your phone. And we're better off for it,

(32:48):
I think. Anyway, it's news on the way Scott's Long
Friday morning. I hope you have a good one, seven
hundred WW Cincinnati. You don't want to be.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
An American idiot.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
You've got a phone show on seven hundred W LW.
I'd love to chat check in occasionally with our friends
and the veterans, the Veterans Services Commission, especially the executive
director of Claremont's and that would be Steve Belco in
the studio this morning, and Steve, welcome back. Good to
have you. I know, these are tough times for everybody.
We've got government shutdowns, we've got the cash flow maybe

(33:18):
stopping people, maybe getting paid, maybe not getting paid. Not
the best of times for Americans, specifically in our military
at this point.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Sure, sure, a lot of anxiety out of anxiety right now.
So what's what's tomorrow hold and yeah, having the ability
to shore up.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Is this all affected in any way in shape or
form what you guys do in veterans services, No.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Great question, it does not.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
And the Ohio Revice Code established that we are part
of the county millage that they take up with taxations,
so we're not federally funded.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But the VA it's a different story. So you as
you know, and I've explained having Steve Haunt from time
to time to check in with our veterans and see
how they're doing. Is that that you're the conduit between
one of the biggest things you do. Not everything you do,
we'll get to in a second, but one of the
biggest things you do, of course is coordinate healthcare and
the VA covered for veterans, because again it's a big
government agency and you don't have the kind of time

(34:12):
and knowledge to be able to navigate that. So you
need someone like a tax accountant to navigate that for you.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
Well said, well said, there's the with the healthcare. Sorry,
I'm gonna caught up over my tongue. With the healthcare
is also the compensation and benefits that are the result
of injuries from active duty or service while on active duty.
So it's a combination of both getting in through the
door and then also being compensated for how you were injured,

(34:38):
and then sustaining life after that.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I saw this in advance of our talk today that
not every state has what we have here in Ohio.
All eighty eight counties have a Veteran Service Commission. Not
all states do this, No, not at all.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Actually, Ohio's we're almost at the pointed that Ohio's and
anomaly that we have this in every county. There are
I believe somewhere less than ten. I think it's single
digit states that have our type of program in every
county of the state.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think that says a lot about the Buckeye State
and how we treat our veterans, not lip service, the
fact that they're there for you.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
We say.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
And even our federal retirement so those who retire from
the military, the state does not tax the retirement benefits
from the military still federally taxed, but the state overlooks that.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
There's a few states that do that as well.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
All right, so let's look at the overview here too,
because I have you on we talked about more granular
issues too. I think the day to days of this too.
But what actually you do for veterans oh us.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
Yeah, So when we look at what my office is
designed to do by the Ohire Revice Code is a
is a three legged stool that we.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Like to refer to in the military, everything's in threes.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
So we help veterans, as we already spoke about apply
for healthcare as well as benefits compensation. We transfert veterans
to and from their VA appointments, which has really grown
in the past couple of years as they started to
outsource third party physicians to do their compensation review CMP exams.

(36:07):
And then there's also the emergency financial assistance where there
are times where life just hits you and you didn't
see it coming, and we get to pick up the
veteran who hit rock bottom there's no way out.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
And we re establish them.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
What is that? What by the way, I mean Preference
is saying, so you're listening, going, well, I don't live
in Claremont County, so I'm a veteran in my family,
or I'm a veteran, or someone in someone's family's a veteran.
This is true in all the other eighty seven counties.
So you know, you're kind of like the spokesperson for
the program stay. You know, we get people listen all
over the place, and so you're going, wow, Okay, I
didn't know that was available to me as a service.
I thought it was just VA and maybe a ride there.

(36:44):
But there's all these other things that go on. So
when you talk about hitting rock bottom not maybe not
you know, physically or in a political way, emotionally, what
does that look like? What kind of support is that?

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
The Ohiovice Code says that we will, in circumstances be
able to support veterans, and that is a Every county
is going to be different in how they approach the
financial assistance. Some label it exactly that financial assistance. Some
label emergency financial assistance. So that as the commissioners of

(37:18):
my I have five board members that are commissioners separate
from the county commissioners, establish a policy to say this
is how we're going to handle financial assistance. And so
for Claremont County we label it emergency financial assistance so
that it's a new emergent financial emergency that's like, Gee,
the roof fall in, or mama's cancer can't pay medical bills,

(37:43):
and I've got these other things that are.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Falling by my car transmission out of my car, right.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Right, you know.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
So there's there's different parameters as to how financial assistance
is supported. However, every county has a financial assistance but
that is based on the millage a county can bring
in that supports the office. So obviously you're less dense
counties are going to have less support for financial assistance.

(38:11):
But you're also going to see it's more agrarian and
there's less veteran population.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Gotcha, sure, sure, yeah, it's based on the population. You
had more in Claremont County, Butler Warren as you move
out to the Green County a little bit different, right,
that's right, Yeah, I got it. So I'm met.

Speaker 9 (38:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
As far as the services going, people go, okay, well
what does this cost me? It doesn't cost you anything.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Does it. Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (38:32):
Frankly, the taxpayers have already paid for you to be
served as a veteran. So when you come to the
office and you want to see a service officer because
you have this issue from your time on active duty
and you need to apply to the VA, we have
trained service officers that can apply on your behalf. They
know what they're looking for, the forums that they need,
the order in which they're applied. So which is really

(38:55):
nice that you can come in and not only talk
to a service officer about applying for your benefits. They
can track it through the VA where most it's a
blind submittal. It's the black hole you submitted into and
you just wait for the letter to come right, our
service officers can see within to see how it's tracking.
How many service officers you have in Clarmat, I currently
have four, I'm looking to hire the fifth process.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Are you looking for a veteran? Do they have to
be a veteran? Is that a qualifier? And what do
they do? How do they get trained?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
No?

Speaker 8 (39:23):
Great question, So they have to Cornell Higher Revice code.
A veteran service officer has to be a veteran. So
they're going to come from the active components. They're going
to have experience in so primarily understanding the acronyms and
the communication, the verbiage that we use in the military,
as well as the education they receive. Are five classes

(39:46):
a year of continuing education, so once a quarter for
the county. From the Ohio perspective and then there's once.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
A year for a national gotcha all right, Okay, so
that makes as i'mgoing training, and the training has to
do with all the I mean, I suppose you could
file your own claim. I'm sure veterans all over the
place file or unclaim. But the more complicated I mean,
I guess, the more pushback there is or delays. It's
almost you need one of these advisors to do the
bidding for you because you don't know the language, you

(40:16):
don't know where to go, who to ask, because it's
the government, right. You learn that in the military, use
a marine. You learned that as like man, the hierarchy,
I'm standing around waiting for someone to make a decision
because of the hierarchy. That's part of the problem in
the military.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Well, back in the seventies, our Fithers could tink around
their own car.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, can you do that today? I can't do that now.
Unless you've got a computer, unless you've got thousands of
dollars in diagnostic tools and special tools to take the
air filter off, you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (40:40):
So there's some small things you can do. I mean,
VA dot gov allows a veteran to apply on their
own behalf. Now there's danger involved with that. There's not danger,
there is concern involving that. In that, does a veteran
know the order of precedence in which to file? Yeah,
so there is with the VA, and the VA is

(41:00):
good at kicking things back with No, that's a second
or third or fourth order of cause you need to
go back to the They'll just say denied, and the
veteran doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I'll tell you why, and then you get frustrated and go,
I'm on my own and it sucks, and you know,
the big countries turn my back on me. It's to
President Trump's point, that's I mean, you know, we don't
want to talk about doze and all that, but that's
the part of the problems. I bureaucracy is just too great.

Speaker 8 (41:27):
Right then, Additionally, the forms are changing. Every four to
six months, something new comes along. Oh, we learned this
change the verbiage in that that's now an outdated form
the veteran used, which the VA kicks back. No, you
used an old form, right, So now that's taken four
months out of the timeframe of me receiving my benefits.
So it's to the benefit of the government that they

(41:49):
can apply on VA dot gov unless you're an extremely
smart individual who can read through. We have two volumes
that come out annually of all the rules and regulations
and they're both about four inches thick that my service
officers read through in order to apply a quality of education.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, Steve Belsos here, Steve is the executiverector of Clamont
County Veterans Service Commission'm gon to pause us for just
a second, Steve and switch back to real world and
those of us who didn't serve our country like you
did and which so right now the government shutdown and
there's a debate over healthcare. Right we're shut is a healthcare.
Healthcare The people who are the Democrats in particular want

(42:29):
universal government subsidized healthcare. So you're listening to this now, going,
can you imagine if we get that, we're going to
need not Veteran Services Committee, We're still going to need
someone to interpret healthcare. Well, we have to go to
the doctor and need surgery, because that's what this is
going to become. And that is the problem with it,
is the fact that we need whether it's this or
taxes another one or hey, you know, I'm gonna apply

(42:49):
for college alone college aid. You need these advisors and books,
and you have to be an expert. It's because the
more the government does this stuff, the heart is for
you to get what it is you want.

Speaker 8 (42:58):
Absolutely right, they build up more of these boulders around
the sides. That causes an individual to really ramp up
the education to get beyond what's holding them back. And
then when we start socializing healthcare, think of how the
VA has been just ostracized for the past how many

(43:20):
years that that and in a sense, that's a small
culture of socialized healthcare. Now you take this broad nationally.
The VA has done a good job tackling in pushing
veterans out to third party providers so that I'll make
an appointment for you because we don't have the throughput
through this hospital to doctor Jones over here specialists.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
So, but the VA uses what they call it vincent
that's the same as we would call a district. And
so the higher revised Code says that I will transport
my veterans within the district of the VA hospital. I
resided that's fine. I called the Cincinnati VA, what's our district?
While we go by vincent. I said, Okay, what's our
vincent Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. So from Claremont County, I

(44:06):
have the expectation to transport veterans to Michigan, Indiana and Ohio.
If the VA established the appointment to include. Now the
VA's transitioning a little bit two morters of excellence. So
now this hospital is going to have a set of
excellence over this, which now makes it more of a
fluid approach. But it also caused more distance and price

(44:28):
on me as I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Free hcause if you if like you're sending that closest
Sexor centers was in Minnesota, well can you cover airfare
for that? How does that work? Right? Right?

Speaker 5 (44:38):
Right? Yeah, I'm putting a driver on the road.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
For for example, maybe three weeks ago, I personally drove
a veteran to Cleveland to the Cleveland clinic because the
veteran was that injured. But still it's within my district.
It's a veteran that needs the service. The VA established
the appointment up there because of the excellence we know
of the and so it was a sixteen hour day
getting that veteran tow and from that had no other way.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
To get that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But I think because you know, you hit on something there.
My dad who passed was a Navy veteran and he
had leg to have his leg taken off at one point,
but he had that done at the Lewis Stokes VA
in Cleveland, and that was one of the best places
you can do that, and his standard of care was
It was incredible as a family member to watch that
and be there part of that, and how well they
treated him even though he served in the sixties, and

(45:23):
how respectful they were and the chain of command, but
also the fact that the standard of care was absolutely wonderful.
So that's good that we do that wonderful way.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
And then I will say Cincinnati VA, above all is
doing a phenomenal job and taking care of veterans right now,
and so walking in you're greeted. It's a great standard
of care. Veterans are happy to go down to the
Cincinnati VA. I think they've done a great job. Whether
or not we do that across the country yet, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah to be determined, so but hopefully they can improve
those areas. So you can only control what's in our area.
And fortunately we have really good coverage. We have great care,
and of course with veteran services and all lady accountants
Clamont where you are, Steve, we know that there's people
out there fighting for you if you're a veteran of
family member. So it's not just a healthcare and we
often talk about that. How much it's a percentage? Would
you say it's healthcare related to what you.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Guys do well?

Speaker 8 (46:16):
For the first service officers, it is one hundred percent.
So if it's not current healthcare of continued care, it's
also the extension of the injuries from active duty and
receiving care for those so as well as like your
father is serving in the sixties, Agent Orange. They denied
it for years and then all of a sudden it

(46:36):
becomes oh no, it is an initiator of many different
causal type of effects. So they're coming back in to say, hey,
now this is recognized, I need to apply for this
or that. So healthcare is probably eighty percent of what
my office does.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Okay, and then the other twenty mental health and travel
all those other things too. But they're there for you.
And Steve Belsa is the executive director Clamont. But again,
if you're listening to other county Ohio. You do have
a Veteran Service Commission there that does these things for you.
So you're kind of like the spokesperson for the entire state.
Let's put it that way. Absolutely, Yeah, I am. I
can no, really, I'm a humble guy.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
I am.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
So.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
However, I had a veteran come visit me yesterday from Ohio.
Had no idea this was in every county and the
services we provide are free for that veteran. And there
is currently legislation on both the Ohio and the House
of Representatives federally to change some of the verbiage over

(47:36):
how veterans are recognized and service as well as how
these outside entities besides the county Veteran Service officers will
do everything for free for the veteran. These other entities
want to charge and receive a portion from your benefits
coming back at you.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
That's how they're paid. We don't get paid unless you
get paid.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
Yeah, but now you're taking thirty percent of that, which
is going to meet a medical or my medical bills.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You gotta watch out. There's all sorts of scams like
I had one the other day from and kind of
mind computer you're talking about. But you got to watch out.
It's like, hey, I know we noticed it. Your I
don't know your passports expire. Well we'll take care of that.
Well yeah, and it made it look like the fake
sealed they put on and may it look like it's
a government agent. They're going, I just did this. Watch
it so again it's legit. Claremont Kenny Veterans Services. He

(48:25):
also he's the executive director. Just reach out to you.
You know, you can google it Claremont County Veterans or
whatever countie you're in Veterans Services Commission and get what
those folkses are great at what they do. And I
love the fact that you come in every few weeks
and check in and discris veteranstion appreciate it. Thanks buddy,
Uh Steve be Well, let's get a time out in
It's a Scott Floon show on seven hundred wl.

Speaker 9 (48:50):
Ken.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
We go on this Friday morning. Everybody else took the
day off, but Austin. Austin's here as he's always here.
He's here tonight actually six to six thirty ahead of you.
See basketball and sports stock could be filling in tonight.
You can find him weekdays at noon on ESPN fifteen
thirty with a sidekick Tony Pike, speaking of college basketball

(49:12):
being here Georgia State, I believe tonight tonight tonight? Is
that correct, Austin, That's correct.

Speaker 7 (49:18):
The Bearcat's back in action, trying to match Xavier and
go two and oh to start the season. I didn't
watch Xavier because I only was on last night, but
nonetheless they only one by five, and this time of season,
I think it's fair to have low expectations for Xavier.
It's pretty low. I would say, obviously, the you know,
dealing with the nonsense after Sean Miller's departure, and you

(49:41):
bring in a new coach kind of late in the process,
and you deal with the whole portal thing, and the
Big East is a tough conference. It's it's gonna take
some time for for Xavier. I don't think. I think
a lot of their fans understand that too. It's like, Okay,
it's not gonna just happen overnight. But I think, as
we all can understand, you should savor every win you get,

(50:01):
doesn't matter by how little or how much. Anytime you win,
you should be happy. And the Muskies are two and oh.
But Lemoyne. Lemoyne and Marist, a couple of New York
schools who gave the Mouskies a run.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I know where Marist is. I had no idea where
Lemoine was. Yeah, to look that up.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
What's even funnier is they're in Syracuse, New York. Yeah,
and they're the Dolphins. I don't think there's dolphins in Syracuse.
They couldn't I check, couldn't take Orange. I know, you
should have done something else. You should have been the Lemons,
been like Blue or something.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah, all right, so yeah, college basketball, we get it.
I had to point this out too, because I'm sick
for the puck Alexandrovitchkin this week. I'm sick for the puck.
Nine hundred goals never been done in NHL history, fifteen
hundred games played these fourty years old, fifteen hundred games,
nine hundred goals, seven hundred and twenty six assists, sixteen
hundred plus points, led the NHL in scoring nine seasons.

(50:54):
But this is the I saw this this morning. It
blew me away. To show you the level. If he
hadn't scored a goal until he turned thirty in the
NHL Okay, starting at age thirty, so last ten years
he'd still be ninth on the all time active List's amazed.
If he didn't score a single goal after he turned thirty,
he'd be sixth. That's amazing.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
That is as a truly, truly great player, an iron man,
an iron man great player, and a guy who you
would look at off the ice and wonder about his
habits and how he takes care of him. Donald's exactly.
It's amazing that he has had this mixture of longevity
and toughness and talent that he's been able to do

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and obviously score nine hundred the other night, first player
to ever do that. That is a huge, huge deal.
I mean last year was a huge deal, passing the
all time scoring record with Wayne Gretzky and attendance, and
then to get to nine hundred, and then on top
of that, the goalie tried to steal the puck.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
They tried to stick that number nine hundred inside his
pads like nobody would notice.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Did he respond as to why he did he want
the Keith Baker trying to stick at tight movie? Because
I love that about hockey. I didn't follow up.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
I feel like, there's probably an inside joke there, but
I thought it was funny.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
If you're any other player, any other team, you don't
you like, hey, you got nine hundred, tap the stick
for the guy. Give you the team that he did
it against.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
You hate him? Yeah, I think you should throw it
in the stand. So that'd be just fire it, fire
it back in the puck bag. Yeah, I mean, if
you was it, were they at home? Do you know
I that I don't know. So here's my thought process.
If I'm the goalie, all right, and I'm at home
and a visitor Alex Ovechkin scores nine hundred, I take
the puck, I throw it into the stand. So then

(52:30):
one of my fans has a chance to profit off
of this. They get either money or they get to
meet Ov or whatever it is. But make make Ov
work for it, make them go. That's pretty cool though.
That's definitely going to the whole of the things I
think of it. I know, where's the NHL hole name Toronto? Toronto? Okay,
beautiful to check that out. Never really thought about that, because.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
All right, so we have the bile it's tell usual,
when is the last time, if ever have the Bearcats
and the Bengals sure to buy.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
That's a better question for Dan Horde. He would know
those things, probably would.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
I don't know if I want to say it happened
not that long ago, but maybe maybe not.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Just weird no football local football this weekend. Yeah, very strange.
I'm that too. Okay, So trade deadline hits in the
fourth the Bengals made one move Logan Wilson. We talked
about that last time they did got BJ Finny, which
put them over the top, got of the Super Bowl.
They normally don't they Here's the thing, normally they didn't
do anything. I gotta get from what I hear, they
actually tried this time, right, They try to make some most.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they were a little bit
more open minded. I don't think the people that run
the Bengals are stupid people. I think they understand where
this organization is at and where they have deficiencies. And
if you remember, going back to March all the way
up into this point, anytime the idea of trading someone
like Trey Henderson or trading anyone came up, it was

(53:49):
reported that the Bengals were looking for young defensive players
that could help them this year. So they understand the
deficiencies of their roster and they look at the value
of draft picks, they look at the value of a
great player like Trey Hendrickson, and they say, okay, well
we need to supplement our roster by using these things,
and that's gonna make our asking price high. And it

(54:11):
sounded like asking price was maybe a second round pick.
But once Quinn Williams was traded to the Dallas Cowboys,
when a first and second round pick came off the board,
and the Bengals are like, okay, well, maybe we're asking
too little for Trey Hendrickson here, and teams ultimately weren't
willing to pony that up. And I think there was internally,
I don't know that there was a desire to trade Trey,

(54:33):
because as much as I say I don't think they're stupid,
I do think at times they're delusional about how close
they might be to actually being able to win.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yeah, I think to your point about asking too much,
I mean Colts gave up two first round picks at
twenty six twenty seven for Sauce.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
That's a lawful young player under contract and a team
friendly contract. So as far as you're concerned, if you're
the Colts, worth it. And I love what the Colts
owner Carly urs Gordon said to their GM Chris Ballard.
She said, do you want to put a band aid
on it? Or do you want to put a long
term fix at that position? And gave him the choice
to go and get a long term fix, which they
did with saus Gartner.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and I guess too. You know they didn't the
short term contracts achievement with Trey any kind of made sense.
But also tells me like they think they can win
with his team, do you after what I've seen, I
don't think they can win with this team.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
I know they can't win with this The defense is
not good enough. That's what they're doing, and especially if
Trey is out for any period of time, because when
he's out off the field, it's it's a much much,
much different defense, and it.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Doesn't guarantee it wins when Oh Burrow comes back. No,
you'd playing great.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Yeah, I mean we're on the verge now, three straight
years without making the playoffs, and one of those had
Joe Burrow completely healthy and the other had Burrow completely
healthy for a half So I think they also look
at it next year and realize they can put the
franchise tag on Trey Hendrickson and it's not going to
be an outrageous amount of money. It would still be
worth having him in their plans if they choose to

(55:56):
do that. I'm not entirely convinced they will, to be
honest with you, but that it does create options for them.
I think they could also look at it and say, Okay, well,
Trey has lost a little bit of value because of
his age and because of his lack of production this
year and because of his injury. If he comes back
this season and performs at the level we've seen him
in the past, that's going to create more value for

(56:19):
him next year and they could be playing the long game.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, So if not Trey, who whould you tag? Would
they tag? I don't think they would tag anybody. I
don't think there's anybody worth that. Yeah, and Trey is
the only one as well at that point. Could you
get another year out of him?

Speaker 7 (56:31):
Yeah you could. And I think a viable option would
be to tag him and trade him.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
Entirely possible, because if they tag him, it's at twenty
seven million dollars. That would be a steal for any team.
If he is productive as we've known him to be,
you'll there will be a team that will happily pay
twenty seven million dollars for traders.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, I heard it. I think it's one of our
Bengal segments with Rocky and they're marking more talking about
just bringing guys in from other practice squads just to
see if he could find somebody. Yeah, that sounds like
a good idea, but in reality, is is that worth
the effort?

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
I think you need to be constantly challenging the guys
that you have on the roster. You should always be
looking to improve what we call the bottom of the roster.
The Bengals did sign a center, Jacob Bear last week,
so that sort of stuff. I mean, obviously the dealing
with some injuries on the back end of the offensive line.
But you know, I think a perfect example of this
is the safety position. I do not understand why Jordan

(57:33):
Battle and Geno Stone have gotten every single opportunity. Now,
I don't understand why PJ. Jewles hasn't gotten a chance,
why Tyson Anderson hasn't gotten a chance, Tyson Anderson is
one of your best special teamers and a guy that
we know can tackle.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I think at this point you just bring guys up.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
If you're gonna bench Logan Wilson for the young linebackers,
if you're gonna bench Dalton Reisner or anybody else for
the young offensive guard in Jalen Rivers, why wouldn't you
bench the older safeties for a chance to see with
the young guy. Have that that I think is where
there's some frustration with the coaching staff, is that there's
imbalance on how they're choosing to implement this plan.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, well, it's always been confusing down to pay Corp,
hasn't it. I mean, what do you think is go
down this week? Right right now? The sense of urgency desperation,
I don't know, it depends what you're looking at, like
who specifically right, I mean, I think I think the
coaches feel a sense of urgency, and I think Al
Golden should feel a sense of urgency. But it doesn't
matter the players.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
It's it's embarrassing for him. And yeah, I think some
of the coaches or I think some of the players
should feel that. I mean, they were kind of getting
after one another after the Bears loss, and you kind
of saw the knitpack nitpicking and going back and forth.
But yeah, there should be a sense of urgency because
there's a lot of guys that there's spot's not guaranteed
on this team next year, and if you keep putting

(58:50):
on tape what you put on tape this year, nobody's
going to be interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And a concern too, is when you start getting guys
like Tea and Chase Brown and those guys complaining just
a little bit. Now, sure, a couple losses, it's going
to be in the full full and disaster in that
locker room.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the direction that they're heading.
When you have two sides of the ball, they are
going in polar opposite directions. And the offense is putting
up thirty nine and forty two points in a game
and they can't win. I mean, the offense should be
upset because the defense is nothing. Is that they're not
doing the little things like the bare minimum of like
when you wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth,

(59:25):
that's the bare minimum. Yes, the Bengals defense can't do that.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, it's the fact that they win. I try to
go get some of it gives you a little bit
of hope. But again, I think they're delusional in thinking, oh, yeah,
this is the weird world, will be okay. Well to
pull it off somehow make the playoffs, like I don't know, man,
you see him beating the Steelers just again. I just
they don't the way.

Speaker 7 (59:47):
Difficult to play in Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's coming off a
big win over Indianapolis. I'm sure they have. I think
they have a little bit another tough game this week.
But yeah, no, I said on our show earlier this week,
I don't expect the Bengals to win another game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I mean, I'll get the whole AFC right now. I
don't you know. It's it's such a coin toss in
the ANFC overall, right now, who do you see? You
can't really rule the Chiefs out. But I don't even
know if the Chiefs make the playoffs at this point.
I mean, New England's playing pretty well. They seem to
be the Cinderella story this season. The AFC. I don't
really see that dominant team right now there.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of New England and I've
been high on them from the beginning of the year.
I still think Buffalo just because of their quarterback and
you know them, you know, having a chance to have
a home playoff game. I think it's gonna be interesting
coming down to them in New England. Denver has looked good.
I mean, they are the number one seed right now
at eight and two, but they're wildly inconsistent on offense.
But they have the best pass rush in the NFL

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and that obviously has an impact, and that has a
direct impact on Kansas City because if Kansas City can't
win that division, then they have to would have to
go on the road and that would be a little
bit more difficult for them. So yeah, I think it's
it's wide open. Indianapolis kind of got humbled a little
bit last week against Pittsburgh, but everybody has been in concert.

(01:01:00):
Everybody has flaws. Nobody is fully buttoned up, which makes
the race really interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
It's gonna be interesting stretch because now it's anyone's last year.
Is a couple teams like the favorites and wind up
going but you know, it just can't roll Casey out there.
They're completely eliminated. They will come back in yeah, I mean,
they get the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Yeah, the reigning AFC champions for the last four years,
like they get the benefit of the doay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
No, but I can't believe we're halfway through the season though.
I know it's so fast, it's so fast. Yeah, let's
talk a little e FC Cincinnati to get the crew tomorrow.
And man, we've seen this movie over and over and
over again. It's getting kind of old now. The match
on Saturday, the wheels kind of fell off. They held
their own for the first thirty minutes or so that
Miles Robinson got a yellow card in the thirtieth minute,

(01:01:41):
and then three minutes later Columbus scores and misplayed a
little bit, and then Uya Kuba gets a red card,
gets tossed or down a man and they get smoked.
So one one back to Cincy tomorrow tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
Yeah, comedy of errors really that let that game get
away from in Columbus. They still have only won one
time in Columbus since twenty nineteen, which is pretty hard
to fath But I think coming back here, you know, weekend,
big moment back up against the wall. F C Cincinnati
has a little bit more experience in this regard. There's
been a lot of turnover in Columbus, and it goes
to show like how strong the backbone of that organization is.

(01:02:14):
That they're right back here in this in this spot.
But f C Cincinnati has been here before as well.
They've got veteran guys, they've got a good defensive back
line is the word I'm looking for, and they've shown
the ability to score and especially at home, they're a
much better team. So I think f C Cincinnati should
be favored. I'm always going to lean towards Pat Noonon

(01:02:36):
because I think he's one of, if not the best
coaches in Major League soccer. And it's hard not to
think about what would be waiting for them, which would
be enter Miami and a team that they've had a
ton of success against. It doesn't matter if Messi's on
the field or not. F C Cincinnati has had a
lot of success against them, and I think they'll be
foaming at the mouth to get another shot at Miami
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
And you look, I mean, they got their top three guys.
You got Miles Robbins, who got these guys back. There's
no excuse and not in the first game was like okay,
and they were just pounding them, and then finally Dankee
scored that goal and it was one nil, but it
was a lot closer it should have been. And then
it was an absolute blowout. Last week get in Columbus.

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
Yeah, curious to see how Pat Noonon adjust because obviously
Columbus did a really good job of being ready for
that attack in the second game. But I mean it
was an all out assault in game one that f C.
Cincinnati put on that Columbus defense, and they held for
a good good points. Should have given up probably two
goals in the first half. Eventually did give up that
one to den K. But you know, it's a cat

(01:03:31):
and mouse back and forth between Columbus and and and Cincinnati,
so it should be a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
It's always I mean, it's to see it, but you'd
rather beat the hell out of them because her corble
hell is real. But it's such an awesome contest. Always
a Derby, the Derby, Derby, the Derby, Yes, Derby, but
said Derby. It's not Derby. It's Derby, right, Yes, yeah,
that's what they say, Derby the Derby. We love the
English the Derby. Yeah, but it's fine. It's such a

(01:03:58):
good rivalry.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
It is, and you're trying to you're still thinking back
to just a couple of years ago in the Eastern
Conference finals where Columbus put together that comeback to knock
you off and knock you out of MLS Cup. So
I'm sure that's on their minds as well. Doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
All right, So what time t game to morrow?

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
That's a good question. I have not gotten today. Seven o'clock,
I believe, So I'm sorry for not knowing that. I've
been preparing for tonight's show and my other show. I
know it's tomorrow. It's six, six o'clock. Six, That's what
I said, six o'clock, six o'clock. Yeah, six o'clock. Because
I'm my schedule here for tomorrow, the eighth of November.
I've got soup night at Mackenzie's. Don't know my soup night.

(01:04:35):
McKenzie's my daughter. For who's McKenzie my daughter's friend? Who's
on her calendar?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
I've heard count you have a shared family, I guess,
And she's put soup night, so that's been what kind
of soup?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Can you send me the address I might show up?
I got. I'm a big super guy crew, and then
I got hockey at seven o'clock on Saturday, What do
you got a big show today?

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
And it's sick for Puck For the Puck. We'll talk
more about FC Cincenni and Columbus Tommy g the Voice
of the Orange and Blue. At two o'clock, we'll also
talk Bengals and some Reds. The Reds have made some
news with Charlie Goldsmith. At one o'clock, we make our
weekend picks, our Friday pick them, including high school.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
What about?

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
What about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I'll tell you what you want to talk about? Down
and dirty, cold rain? That's right? What a fall from grace?
You know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get five
across the lips. If you keep that up, big mouth,
You're a clown. You're a clown. How often do you
do that to his face? I don't see him all
that much because he's in his little studio, but I

(01:05:40):
don't mind doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
Right. He was just out there holding court with the
sales guys. Oh of course, yeah, she loves to do.
Let me tell you say, is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah? Okay? And they talk about the glory days of
nineteen eighties, him and him and Tom Horan talking about
sixties fax machines work. Yeah, well come, you can't get
a good Fax machine anymore. Oh, anyway, and here it is.
That's it right there. So what do you got to
Night at six, big mouth? You know what?

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
I'm going to dispel a narrative about Joe Burrow and
Joe Flacco. There is a narrative out there about these
two Bengals quarterbacks that is deeply misguided.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:15):
And the facts, the facts, Sloaney, Yes, disagree with the people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
They don't. Okay, the people disagree with the fact. Yes, okay,
Austin tonight, that's to Night and six prior to Bearcats,
that guy, I owe you a SEG talkback for your
show today. Please do Phil Dennison over at ESPN fifteen thirty.
Sloony on seven hundred w all.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Them want to be an American?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Got flown on seven hundred w aw. There's now less
of us to love. Obesity rates plummeting simply because we
have these GLP one injections O zempic with GOVI monjourno,
and you think it's crazy. Now Trump administration announced deals
with Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly is going over the
costs of those drugs for many Americans, including people on Medicaid,

(01:07:04):
and it's gonna be a lot cheaper to get healthier.
Now you can lose up to thirty pounds. It's like
the sweet spot right there, which would help a lot
of Americans for sure. Obedially, the rates they're dropping, people
are buying new clothes, people buying closes are at a
record because you're not fitting into the old stuff or
feeling good. So what you need to know about this
if you're on the rigin guy, I couldn't afford it
before and now because of the deal, now I can

(01:07:26):
and you're gonna get on this stuff. He's doctor Saldre
Johnny with the Men's Health Network. He's a pharmacist by trade,
the guy to ask about drugs and specifically GLP ones.
Doctor Sale, good morning, how are you? Yeah, Good morning, Scott.
These are clinically called GLP one agonists, which is a
very technical term for a man. This stuff works really

(01:07:46):
really well, So let's jump into it. How exactly does
this particular class of drugs work that are brought by
two companies. There's I think four of them. And more
are probably going to join the marketplace anytime soon. But
ozempic and Manjaro are the two big competing ones. How
do they work in your body?

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
What do they do ammigulity as well? Well? As you said,
they suppress appetite, but they also have other activities, and
we're just learning more and more and more about just
what the long and the broad implications of these medications
are on overall body physiology. So they do decrease the
amount of clebohydrates that are absorbed. They make you feel

(01:08:23):
fuller faster. They also decrease gas protecting so you feel
for for longer and that helps you suppress appetite. We're
also finding that these medicines and it's not quite well understood.
That may be a surprise to some in your audience,
but there are still many things about many commonly used

(01:08:44):
medicines that we're still learning about, and that's just the
science of medication. They also do things, For example, they
help protect the kidneys from renal failure, chronic kiding disease,
and there's other agents that we all see on TDB
advertised for menagement, chronic incites. They're in the same sort
of class of family. We're also finding secondary effects of

(01:09:07):
these medications, maybe in fat deposition or how fat is
redistributed throughout the body. So there are a lot of
things that we're learning. I do want to just spell
one thing. There isn't a brand new medications. These STLP
and GOP medications have been used in the management diabetes

(01:09:27):
type two diabetes, Doban said, it will used to be
called for many, many, many years. So what we're actually
doing now is where and we saw weight loss in
diabetic patients and it was an absolutely fantastically important parameter
that we used to encourage patients to stay on their

(01:09:47):
medications because the patients felt better, lost weight, looked better,
had more energy. And it wasn't just the management to
their googos, it was also the weight loss just exploiting
this well well known side effect of the medication the manager.
A rather terrible problem in the American public and involve

(01:10:11):
countries ro all over the world is obesity.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Yeah. Another what you and your professional called off label
using it's intended for one thing and they find out
that the side effects or there's added benefit for something
else and it goes in an entirely different direction. And that
is the I guess the miracle of modern medicine and
pharmaceuticals for sure. And so we see these drugs mimic
the action of a hormone and you produce more insulin
and your digestive system, you eat less and therefore the

(01:10:36):
weight starts to come off too. Originally prescribed for diabetes,
as you just said too. One of the issues though,
is that we may be over medicalizing this is what
you call this, that that structurally people are just writing
scripts or this and it may not be indicated for
that particular disease. Who should be on it, who shouldn't
be on it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Well, that's that's a huge judgment called. Certainly, I think
we can all agree that obesity and there's a strict
medical definition of ABC. That's just staatee of time for many,
many decades, with body weights over thirty two, body masks
over thirty two, those individuals should be on this medication

(01:11:22):
and it can really make a huge difference in every
aspect of their life. Then you have individuals who are overweight.
Probably twenty to thirty percent of those individuals who are
need to medication now are just playing overweight. That's a
judgment call. When having and carrying too much weight for

(01:11:45):
a long periods of times, affecting gait, joints, ability to
enjoy life, breathing, other blood pressure, other metabolic functions. Then
there is an important considerations they can do the fact
that you know sure bringing down the weight using medication

(01:12:06):
may be an appropriate thing to do. In a third
category are the ones I call sort of the vanity set,
where use it to lose maybe five pounds so you
can look a little better in your swimsuit, or maybe
you're going out and you're getting ready for prom or
wedding or some other social event and you want to
lose a little bit of weight. I think that that

(01:12:26):
is probably not a particularly good use of the medication,
regardless of whether there is a supply issue or not.
You did bring up a supply issue earlier on, and
I think that that's going to correct over the next
two years. Literally one of the main players in this field,

(01:12:48):
with Majarro and other products following, is just invested five
billion with a big dollars in new plants to help
develop manufacturing techniques, and that will always bring down the
costs of the medication over the next several years. So
I think supply is not really the issue. He issue
was the ethics of how to better manage obesity.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Doctor Saladeer Johnny for the Men's Health Network is a
doctor pharmacy, and we're talking about the Trump administration now
opening the floodgates for GLP ones. That's the weight loss rug,
the manjuros, those kind of drugs will go vian ozempic
to help people whose weight and now it's going to
be available on Medicare, Medicaid and people are going to
be able to drop up to about thirty pounds to

(01:13:30):
what this is injectable, right, and so it's like anything,
you know, when this first came out on the scene
a few years ago, it was very expensive, like one
thousand dollars a month. And now we have pills developed,
we have online pharmacies that are dispensing this as well,
and now that the government's evolve, we're going to see
the price drop even more because at one time this
was really really cost for I like, like any new technology.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Yes that is true. Well I don't know if people
are paying that, but someone is paying now your house
care plan, which is why I think, you know, the
ethics of managing obesity is clear where you have those
people with huge body mass indexes. But there isn't actually
a pill. Just one quick point, get there is an
oral form with all the out there, it works. It

(01:14:14):
works quite well for lots and lots of folks. It's
probably not the most effective or efficacious, but it certainly
works for many many people. And there are, as you
said correctly, several oral agents. The problem is that the
manufacturing techniques to make this medication. Because it's a protein,
it's a pep gide, it's something that's not generally absorbable

(01:14:38):
from the gastro intestinal system. You have to do all
sorts of pharmaceutical tricks to make it absorbable into the system.
Because there are some folks who still are needle averse.
There are other things to consider about this. To Scott,
I think we have seen every generation has their quote

(01:14:59):
unquote mirror drug. We've seen it with oral contraception, as
we've seen it with cholesterol medications. We've seen it with antidepressants.
We've seen it with fillers for wrinkles, you know, for
cosmetic purposes. We've seen it over and over and over again.
But they all play out to be have one underlying

(01:15:20):
precept that makes for good clinical care, which is you
just can't take the drug, you probably have to change
some of the things in your life to make that
drug really work. The first lesson I learned in plumacology
way back when in the sixties is that drugs rarely
can do anything that the body can't do itself, and
the body giesel. So so what we're seeing also is

(01:15:43):
the downside of these medications, where you have an over
reliance on a technology to do something that essentially requires
you as a person to do, which has changed your lifestyle,
your nutrition, your exercise habits so that you have it
along and what we're seeing, along with some of the
other not particularly dangerous side effects, and there are some

(01:16:07):
dangerous side effects. What we're seeing also that people who
go off these medications every year are gaining back the
weight to become very very frustrated. They have to go
back into all the clothes that they put on the side,
uh have and they're very frustrated and in some cases,
uh in some cases, and of course that the weight
cane is even more because the eating habits have evolved.

(01:16:30):
So I think you know, as with most medications for
diabetes or high blood pressure, or you know cholesterol, you
have to change and get into a more holistic management
of your own personal care.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah, now that makes sense. But I also think there's
a stigma. I think a lot of people see this
as cheating. Well, you know, it's you, you're taking a
hard way out, and so there's a stigma. I think
with even being on the drug. You want to inject
yourself with this crap, and and what the long term
effects and oh my god, why don't you just quit eating?
You know, that's true in a lot of cases. I
think if you're looking to lose you know, five or
ten pounds, and who isn't it's more of a vanity thing.

(01:17:09):
But there are people who are as you know, clinically
obese that have tried a lifetime of diets and fads
and sticking with it, and then you know, there's only
so long you can restrict calories and exercise, and you know,
the needle doesn't move that much. And I know people
in my family, for example, same thing. It's like they
really eat small portions and still can't manage to lose

(01:17:30):
the weight, especially women after childbirth, because your body changes.
As a physiology thing going on there, This seems to
be a drug to help them get where they want
to be, and it's better for your body and your
mind and your soul. And so therefore, I think for
folks like that who have tried everything and it's just
not working and have restricted their calories with very to

(01:17:50):
little effect, this is a godsend for them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Yeah, you bring up a very important point which weighs
into this whole matter of the ethics of how you
manage obesity or.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Just overweight conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
As we learn more and more and more about the condition,
everything points to is that in many individuals, not just
a small percentage of individuals, but many individuals who have
had higher than average or higher than appropriate weight levels
for the majority of their lives. Since there we're in
their teens, it's physiologic, not just a lazy individual's bad habits.

(01:18:32):
That there's a physiological reason why these things happen. We
see that in other parts of medicine there is physiologically
induced or hereditarily induced hypercholesterolmia. That's not a large population,
but it exists. We see it. Certainly, diabetes is an
inborn error of metabolism that's physiologically inherited. You just can't

(01:18:52):
beat it. It's there, it's what it is. You have
to deal with it. We see it in high blood pressure,
we see it in hormone levelsroid levels. So there are many,
many areas in natient care where we see the fact
that it's not just allowsy lifestyle or a poor lifestylewer
poor choices. There are actual physiological and psychological reasons why

(01:19:15):
this happens. And in some cases it's also because of
what we call food deserts. Access to good, nutritious food
is limited for various reasons, economically or sociologically, So there
are there As with most things, it's not a simple acid.
So to deny those individuals management of weight with all

(01:19:37):
of the benefits in terms of movement disorders, homstritis, lifestyle,
encouragement of exercise, to deny them the management of those
inborn errors of metabolism if you will, because you have
a mindset that is, because you're lazy. I think it's
inappropriate and hopefully we'll become out moted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah, no matter how hard you try, it's impossible. It see,
it is a weakness, and just well restrict your calori
as well. If your metabolism's broken, I mean, you wouldn't
do that too. I don't know, like a cancer patient
or somebody in a wheelchair, but we do it to
obese people all the time. What are the long term
consequences that we think? This has been prescribed a long time,
as you said, for diabetics, and now we're seeing a
use off label for obesity. But the concern is adverse

(01:20:25):
side effects. I know self harm was an issue here
as well. But what are we seeing and what do
you think is going to happen over the long term
for long term passions, especially now with Trump working a
deal out to lower the prices and get it on medicare.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Well, that is a huge one hundred and fifty billion
dollar question.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Yes it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
You've got the answers. You got all the answers.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Well, my crystal ball was a little foggy today, but
on this but I do think one thing that I've
learned over the decades of doing this is that there's
something you're going to get your specially or October surprised
when you see the use of medication being going through
these huge numbers and huge percentage of populations, things that

(01:21:10):
you just didn't expect. You're going to see it because
that one half of one percent of the side effect
that you didn't see in fifty thousand or five hundred
thousand or five million people is going to show up
when you go into you know, five billion people, which
is possible. So I don't know what the FUSHA holds.

(01:21:31):
What we're seeing now are other sorts of things. Some
of them are dangerous, such as paralytic problems with the
guestwer intestinal system is severe cramping, terrible nausea, on remitting nausea,
problems with kidneys, and the development of other sort of
pancreatic sort of problems. We already know that they can't

(01:21:54):
have certain adverse effects, and individuals who have a history
of a familial family history of thyroid type cancers and diseases.
We're also seeing shifts in how body fat is distributed,
and it's the so called ozembic face. You know that
the tag that particular drug is a radium where the

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fat is redistributed in ways that make for an odd
looking or a change in facial contours that's manageable. We're
also seeing some people are worried about loss of muscle mass,
which is not necessarily a good thing, which is why,
as you mentioned earlier on food companies to respond to

(01:22:35):
the market changes. They're coming up with products that have
higher concentrations of protein to help address some of the
skeletal muscle losses that we're seeing with the medications. Beyond that, though,
these are relatively safe medications, and that's a long list,
so you know, I don't mean to be trivial about it,
but these are relatively safe medications. But we just don't

(01:22:59):
know what happens when you put it in five billion
people for long periods of time. We'll have to see.
And that's the that's the art and the science of
medicine y monitoring these things over a long period of
time and making important decisions to change how you do things.
Will you learn more?

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yeah, we'll just come out of another drug to fix
whatever this causes. And so it goes Uh Doctor Salvator
geor Johnny doctor Pharmacy, the Men's Health Network, thanks again
so much for the time of the insight. Always appreciate
your stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
My pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Ye out that the Trump adminstration struck a deal with
the manufacturers. We see the price drop even more. It's
gonna be more accessible, more people on it than Medicare
is involved, so it's even more and more people, and
we're gonna have a flood of thinner people. But you
wonder long term effects and how this is going to
change things always happens right the pebble and the pond thing.
It's those ripples way out near the edges of the
pond as opposed to the epicenter of it. You always

(01:23:55):
see that later on. Who knows we'll find out, but
there you go. That's happening today, News Today, News here
right now on seven hundred WOLW. And when we return
to the show, it's Brocanny. Allie's out. Today's taking a
early Thanksgiving with the fam out on the East coast.
So she has a very interesting role in Hollywood. If
you like the sex scenes in movies, film and shows.

(01:24:19):
She is behind all that stuff. What that's her job
to get people to hook up on camera. Her name
is Brocanney. Don't the show next on this Friday morning,
Scot's loan seven hundred WLWT Cincinnati plum Stretch here with
Sloani on seven hundred w well w Alli off day.
Kind of last one's position. She's got like a pickle
ball because she does the American Pickleball Tour, whatever that is. Professional,
or maybe it's something bourbon. She has a cool job.

(01:24:40):
Bourbon and pickleball. That's a cool job, he thinks. Man,
I got a cool sloona. You got a great job.
You sit there and talk for three hours. It's a
pretty good job. I'll be honest with you. But there
are jobs out there. You look over your shoulder, go, well,
that seems like a cool job. Here's one for you.
Intimacy coordinator. What do you think that is? Intimacy coordinator. So,
if you've ever a movie or shell whatever it is,

(01:25:02):
or even theater for that matter, and you wonder how
they do the sex scenes, this is the lady who
orchestrates and choreographs the sex scenes. An intimacy coordinator. Name
is Brook Haney Broke. Welcome to show.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:25:15):
I'm good? Thanks so much for having me, Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yeah, appreciate it. How in the hell do you when
you're selling this to your folks and go, here's what
I want to do with my life to be able
to have sex and movies. What about that?

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Mom and dad?

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:25:29):
Yeah, you know, depending on your parents, they are either
thrilled for you or they're really not. But I try
and emphasize my parents are actually incredibly conservative. I try
to empathize with them the safety part of the job
that I'm helping actors have space to articulate their boundaries
and consent so that folks aren't doing anything they don't

(01:25:50):
want to do.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
And then with my friends I talk about the choreography.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Oh, I'm sure that it's NonStop questions a brook about this,
that and the other thing. I know, it's like, well
what about this person? Did you do this? And how
does this work? And it really is fascinating. And there's
how many intimacy coordinators are there in Hollywood?

Speaker 9 (01:26:07):
You know, that's a good question, And I'm not entirely sure.
There's a little less than one hundred on the SAG
after a registry, but there are plenty of qualified folks
that aren't working on the SAG registry. But I would
guess maybe less than three hundred that are like working regularly,
but I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That's a cool job. So you know, we see this
and go, oh wow, they're gonna they're gonna have some
I you know, as a guy, go wow, I may
see boobs. This is pretty good. You know, A fourteen
year old kid or girls. I'm sure the opposite. But
I guess what you do is if I looked at
it from a scientific standpoint as an art I guess
you're just you're you're like a sexual choreographer or is

(01:26:48):
that diminishing what you do?

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
No, that is not. That is a very very accurate
description of it. It's about making something fake look real
on camera, and it's you know, for the actors and
crew and everyone, it's sometimes the least sexy moments of
acting because it's very technical, but hopefully it looks if

(01:27:14):
the goal is for it to look sexy, hopefully it
looks really sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
On screen, right right, Yeah. And it's such a fascinating
description too, because is it like a I don't like
a fight scene or an action scene and everything had,
you know, with a fight scene or stuff blowing up
in a Tom Cruise movie. You're talking about, well, pyrotechnics
and people can get hurt, blind death, that kind of stuff.
Nobody's really dying having fake sex on camera, but still

(01:27:36):
there's got to be some sort of you block everything out,
don't you.

Speaker 9 (01:27:41):
That's actually a really great comparison. I have a book
that I just came out called The Intimacy Coordinator's guide
book Specialties for Stage and Screen, and one of the
first chapters is several fight directors talking about the difference
between fight and intimacy and the similarities. And these are
folks that have they do both, try remos moderate the discussion,

(01:28:04):
and it's actually very very similar similar in that you
have to choreographic moment by moment. You have to make
sure you know, nothing actually goes where it's not supposed to.
You know, you don't want to to actually hit a
face very often, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Kind of make it on screen and there's grabbing and
groping and all that other stuff. It's like it's all
laid out. Every move is is dictated like a dancer.

Speaker 9 (01:28:33):
The most are yeah, you know, I'll ask an actor
what their boundaries are, okay, and then we'll work within
those boundaries. And some actors want every single moment choreographed
to the tee, like beat by beat, and some actors
would more like an outline, like we're going to go
from here to here to hear and these are the
places that are on limits. But let's talk about the

(01:28:55):
story and how we tell the story in a way
that's compelling. And they want a little more freedom. But yeah,
for the most part, it is moment by moment blocked
out so that it tells that story interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Brooke Haney is a intimacy coordinator. She's the person on
a movie set or in theater. You do this theater too,
I suppose, or film who coordinates the sex scenes, much
like a fight scene or a action scene. It's all choreographed,
all right. The biggest question I'm sure you get all
the time is, all right, so you guy and a
girl are hooking up and fake hooking up here, what

(01:29:28):
do you do about the obvious thing that guys have
that women don't. What do you do about the junk?
If you know, if the if little all of us
and the twins come out to say, hi, how do
you control that? Do you tape it down? What goes
on there? What goes on down there?

Speaker 9 (01:29:41):
You know? I get that question actually a lot from
actors in their private meetings. What happens if this happens?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
What happened?

Speaker 9 (01:29:47):
And I tell them, you know, hey, just tell me
you're feeling a little cold, and then I'll say, oh, yeah,
it is Jillian. Here, let's do some jumping jack to
warm ourselves up. And that just sends the blood somewhere
else and then we're good to go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
So I thought there'd be some sort of prosthetic or device,
or there'd be like some sort of harness or rigging
going on there that they bring you know, those guys
into to strap stuff down. Not at all, got it?

Speaker 9 (01:30:12):
Well, I mean all of those things exist also, but
not necessarily specifically for that purpose. If we have a prosthetic,
that's because we're going to actually see genitalia and either
the actor doesn't want to use theirs or if it's erect,
for an example, we can't show an actual erect giness
on Can I say that on radio? I did on screen?

(01:30:38):
So it has to be a prosthetic. Yeah, and then
there are barriers that go between actors if we're simulating sex,
so and that is meant to reduce sensation and prevent
the exchange of fluids. But but yeah, that's only if
we're simulating sex. If it's just like a bunch of
making out which someone could get aroused from, there wouldn't

(01:31:01):
necessarily be anything taping anything down.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Okay, Well, I mean both parties know that you're a
professional in this regard to as good as it looks,
You're still doing a job and you may not be
into that person, but it's what the job require. So
I totally understand that. I think we tend to probably
look at that more peering interests. We're like, it's a
lot more sexy than it is, and it's probably with
the lights and cameras around and a bunch of people
like yourself barking at them, probably not sexy at all.

Speaker 9 (01:31:27):
I mean, that's exactly what I was about to say,
is no one, it's very rare to get super aroused
when there's a bunch of people looking at you with
microphones in your face, and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yeah, you're little inches away from what it is you're portraying.
It's like, well, that's nothing's going on here. So in
that regard, is the couples, either heterosexual or homosexual, are
in the act of doing this, and you've got cameras
and lighting and all sorts of people behind the scenes
that you don't see on camera. Obviously, they are not

(01:31:59):
feeling intimate, and I'm sure how do you are There
lines that are drawn here though too when it comes
to that, I mean, have you ever heard of a
story where people actually have real sex on camera and said,
you know, I'm fine with it. I wanted to get
this right and I want to be authentic, and therefore
let's just have sex. Is that Has that ever happen?

Speaker 9 (01:32:18):
You know what? Probably I don't know of an example,
but that's not okay. In a sag after film, we're
literally not allowed to do that. And one of the
things I would say is, first of all, getting it
right and making it look right doesn't necessarily mean really
doing it. There are lots of things that don't look

(01:32:38):
good on camera that you that might feel really good.
Often I'm telling actors like, I know, I know you
think it doesn't look right, but I promise it looks
right on camera. Yeah, So it really is about the
saking it part of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
It broke Katie's on the show. Brook is a intimacy
coordinator in Hollywood, and so she is the person in
charge of choreographing these sex scenes. And one of the
cool jobs, probably one of the coolest jobs in the world,
is a job actually Brooke cooler than it sounds, and
it actually is.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
It is literally the coolest job in the whole world.
So lucky to have it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
I was kind of hoping you'd say that, no, it sucks.
I want to go work at fast food. That's what
I wanted to. No one's ever said that, Yeah, it's
it's it's it's such an interesting thing because we all
see it and we all think of that when we're
watching the movies or shows or whatever going how do
they how are they actually doing this? I remember reading
an interview I think it was with Marco Robbie, who

(01:33:36):
at the time was starting in Wolf of Wall Street,
was a very sexually based movie, and she is just
a gorgeous woman and she had a problem is beautiful?
Its just having self awareness and self esteem issues thinking
she wasn't attractive enough to be naked on camera. That
I think was its Corsezy that did the movie. I
forget who did the movie, but literally had to hold
her hand and talk her through those scenes because she

(01:33:58):
felt so exposed and not worthy of that kind of
attention on how she looked that process behind the scene.
Is it tougher for men or women? And how much
coaching is involved in getting something to do something that's
outside of their comfort zone like that?

Speaker 9 (01:34:15):
Yeah, you know, there are a lot of times that
actors want to do a thing but don't feel comfortable,
Like there's a misconception that my job is to make
them feel comfortable. It's really not. It's to make them
feel empowered to consent. But then once they have consented,
if they need support in a way. It might be
that they need to see the angle on the monitor

(01:34:36):
to see how they look, or it might be that
they need me to come tell them after each take
like it looks really compelling, and you know that isn't.
I don't think it's gender specific. I think there is
so much pressure in our culture to look a certain way,
to be a certain way, to be beautiful enough, sexy enough,

(01:34:57):
all of those things, and it can be a really overwhelming,
vulnerable thing, and then you're doing it at work. So
I think it's really admirable of Margo Floor being public
about that because it really is an uncomfortable thing that
folks go through.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Yeah, you would think that, And I think it's just
our persvasive our culture is with this kind of stuff.
Is that if someone looks like Margot Robbie and she
has some self consciousness elements as to her being naked
in a film, I think that's a sad indictment of society.
Quite honestly, what about actors, the other extreme overweight actors.

(01:35:34):
You know, I'm sure there's some over here I don't
want to take their shirt off, let alone show maybe
some private parts or close to it anyway. And yet
I'm sure there's other actors out there have no problems
showing like a guy showing his ass. So it's up
to the actor, obviously, and what they want to do.
And is your job convincing them that it's going to
be okay or you just kind of cater to their

(01:35:54):
whims and their desires.

Speaker 9 (01:35:57):
I mean, I'm really glad you bring up fat actor
because I think it's actually a misconception that everyone has
the same issues with their body. There's a chapter in
the book on working with fat Actors that I wrote
with Katie Blouse, and one of the things we talked
about is not assuming someone's relationship to their body. So

(01:36:18):
one of the things we do is you just never
comment on someone's body, positive or negative. So if I
had been working with Margaret Robbie and she's having feelings
about how her body looks, that's not the thing I'm
going to talk to her about. I'm going to talk
to her about her work. It's like, Ooh, that scene
looked really good. I think the more diversity of body
type we can get on camera, clothes or unclothed, the

(01:36:41):
better it is for our culture, because bodies are beautiful,
however they look. We've just decided to label things in
certain ways. But I don't know I can find beauty
in everything. I really can't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
You're much better person than I am, a Brook Katy
because I shower with my clothes on. I don't want
to see myself at all even think of that. So Brooke,
as far as you know, this is the more serious
element here too, because everyone has a story, right, and
there's a people who have survived sexual violence and in
predatory behavior, probably in Hollywood. I mean, you know, look
at the stories that have come out with Harvey Weinstein,

(01:37:17):
et cetera, et cetera. Does that often pop up in
the course of your.

Speaker 9 (01:37:21):
Work, Yeah, it does. I mean. Part of the reason
that studios are now willing to pay for intimacy coordinators
is because of the Me too movement, and as a result,
people are more comfortable I think saying like oh, hey,
I'm a little nervous about this thing that might trigger me,
or this job is going to be more difficult. There's
a few chapters in the book about I write one

(01:37:44):
on working on scenes of trauma, and in the North
of writes on working on scenes of sexual assault. And
you do need to have extra precautions in place for
those scenes. Whether someone's experienced sexual assault or not. I mean,
you don't know who on crewe have a history with
what you're dealing with, so there are things we do

(01:38:06):
to be extra sensitive in those scenes. Because also an
actor's body, for example, if you put a body in
a position, even if the actor's mind is like, this
is stake, this is totally fake. You're putting their body
in that position of fear or terror and the body
doesn't know you're pretending, gotcha. So you have to put
things in place to help protect the actors' mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
It's fascinating, Brook Haney. What works have you done. I
saved this for the end because I didn't want to,
you know, kind of taint the interview at it, but
that we might be familiar with some of the stuff
that you've coordinated.

Speaker 9 (01:38:40):
Yeah, I've worked on Harlem on Amazon's Time East New
York on CBS Elsbeth, which is playing right now. On ACBS.
I'm working on Mayor of Kingstown. The Best Man the
Final Chapters was a really fun project that I worked
on with Aya Dunn, who's actually coming to Cincinnati. She

(01:39:01):
wrote the chapter on Black American intimacy in the book,
and she's coming to Cincinnati to work on Lauren Benderson's
new play at Cincinnati Shakes early next year. So if
you want to see a really good intimacy coordinator's work,
check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Yeah, I think you look at it it works like
a theater and film and have a new appreciation for
what it is you do too. You mentioned Mayor Kingstown
one of my favorite all time jams. I think that
Jeremy Runner was fantastic in that dark episode. So I'm
gonna have to rewalk Man the next season watch it
again to look for your work there too as well.
So Brooke Henney the Intimacy Coordinator's Guidebook, especially for stage

(01:39:36):
and screen, that is a back of the room kind
of thing. I don't know if that's just generally reading
for someone who's not in the trade. Would that be
something that someone to go, I'm interested in this topic,
or is it just simply two back a house or.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
That it's I would say the primary audiences for sure,
back of house people doing the work, but I also
include interviews with actors and directors who've worked with Intimacy Court.
So I think if you're a real film buff, it
might be as your alley.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Okay, yeah, cool. I think that's really neat and it's
one of those jobs that's hitten in plain view, if
you'll Brook Haney, thanks so much for coming on the show.
I enjoyed it. I always love learning about cool stuff
like this that you would that no one ever talks about.
But I'm glad you did.

Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
Thanks so much for having me, Scott. I hope you
have a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Thanks so much, and enjoy your weekend. She pinched hitting
for ally this morning. All I take a day off
to do her cool job, which is pickleball slash bourbon
slash god. I don't want to know, La la, la la.
I don't know what she's doing weekends about here for me,
hopefully soon for you and five o'clock whatever time it
is when you quit, can't come soon enough. I know,
as we had not the best weekend otherwise, but you
still you got a couple of days go and enjoy it.

(01:40:41):
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