October 25, 2024 • 33 mins
Dr. Jenn shares about going to Oktoberfest in Munich and her educational tourism experience. Clint asks whether prostitution is more respectable than stripping and shares about a new friend's quite lucrative OnlyFans page.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Doctor Jen, Welcome back after two weeks gone across the globe.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What were we doing? Well, it's been longer since we've
talked to even because we didn't even then last week
I had a mini trip too, So yeah, I feel
like it's been at least three weeks since we've talked.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Has it been really Yeah? A long time time flies though,
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, So where where did you go? What did
you do?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So? I tagged along with my boyfriend Reuben because he
had a bunch of conferences and talks, so he had
four talks in three countries and we and it was
ended up being a two week trip. So we started
in Munich and I'd never been to Germany before, so
that was awesome. And the timing of it was because
Octoberfest is only a sixteen day time period at the
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end of September in early October, so we got to
go to Octoberfest one night. They had a speaker's dinner
there and him and I ahead of time, I was like,
we have to dress in costumes. I go most of
the people dressing costumes, and that is true, it's not
a lie. Seventy seventy of the people. So we bought
on Amazon leader hosing for him a whole outfit, and
he put together with the checktop he already had, and
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I got a journal from myself, the whole adorable little outfit,
and we packed him in our back.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Do you think do you think he actually enjoys doing
the outfit thing or is he doing at pushed.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It, he fought it for a while, or he just
wasn't interested. And I did all this research, and then
it was about a week before our trip, and we
started reading more about Octoberfest specifically and what to expect
and what the tenths are like. And we found out
for sure that I could join him for his work
dinner that night in Octoberfest. And then once he started
reading about it and looking at pictures and stuff, he's like, well,
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I don't know, maybe we should get costumes. So I
did not push it. I had said maybe we could
rent them there anyway, And then once he got into it,
he was into it, no, and it was great. He
was adorable in his leader hose.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do you have pictures of you guys?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Oh my god, yeah, I post them all. I'll send
them to you. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Wait, hold on,
I can pull it one up easily.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, I gotta see this. Yeah, you know, going to
Octoberfest in Germany. Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's well. And Munich Munich is the original one too.
So like we were, we were at the real thing
that's been going on for you know, two hundred and
fifty years or something. And the tent that we were in,
so they have like tents. It's massive. It is a
massive So I didn't realize it is a massive festival.
There's rides and games and food and it's just like
this massive like outdoor festival grounds that you walk into
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like a fair grounds type of thing, and then they
have these tents that that and some of them have
been around were like hundreds of years. And the breweries
have been around for like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of years. And so we were in one of those
nine thousand people in this tent and you so you
are packed in and in the center on a raised
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stage is this band and you just pack in and
you get beer and half chickens. And I was like,
oh lovely, i hate beer and I'm a vegetarian. Oh no,
I figured out how to fill The soft pretzels were amazing. Wait,
I'll show you a photo of that in a second.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That sounds like such a fun time.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Here is me here with a big soft pretzel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh my god, that's great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And then here is.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And I can tell in that picture that your outfit's
cool too.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. And then here's Ruben and I and our outfits.
That's great, that adorable.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So will you be more out of place if you
didn't dress up in a place?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Actually, it truly was. I had no idea how much
it would be, but I was trying to estimate, estimate
the whole thing, and I was like, at least seventy
five percent of people are in costume, men and women, Wow,
all ages. It was so fun it it was nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Do you recommend someone who lets like me, who likes
beer and likes all that, to go do this?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, if you're a big beer person, yes I would.
It's just I mean I would go on an off day.
We were there on a Monday night, so that was good.
But it was still packed because we were in like
the most I think the most popular tent, but we
had a reservation because we were part of a group.
Apparently it's really hard to get into these tents and
Saturday is apparently the craziest day, but if you go
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on on off day during the week, it's easier to
get in. And the thing is you need a seat.
You can't just like come in like you need to
be at a table. And then ordering beers, the beer
steins are they're heavy, like I had to use two hands,
and so I don't like beer, so I did a
mix of half. There's something called a rattler that's half
lemonade half beer. Yeah, I did that, and then I
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did one that was half beer and half like a
sparkling apple cider and that was actually I really quite
like because it was like an apple beer then, and
that was good. But these styles they're so heavy, and
you do broost, which is your cheers, and you clang
the glasses and it seems like they would break, but
they are massive and needed like two hands to build
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a drink. And then people start. It's all these like
basically picnic tables packed in so you're literally back to
back with the picnic table behind you with strangers. And
then as the night goes on and the band's playing
songs that people love, including John Denver's Country Roads.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh my god, thousands of.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
People stand up on the seats. You're not allowed on
the tables apparently, but you can stand on the bench seats.
And they stand with their massive beer steins, all in
their costumes, singing John Denver's Country Roads in English, and
I was like, this is amazing. So and then, I mean,
there was a lot of German singing and folk songs
and ninety nine Looft Blues.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Did they lose the accent when they were singing? John
Denver was like, no, it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is pretty English. Because I'm wondering, I'm wondering. I don't
know how many people there were German, how many people
were visiting from other countries. I mean, I do think
it was primarily German, but could be people from other
parts of Germany too. So anyway, it was we were
there for like four hours or so, so maybe all
together five hours. We were walking around outside some and
I was like, that was good, that was perfect. We
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left by like nine thirty. I'm like, I'm good. We
don't need to keep drinking beer. People are getting drunk.
It's crazy. And I'm like I'm and like we're in
our ear, you know, early fifties. I was like, you know, check,
we did this. It was great. It was fun, thrilled
we were in costume. His colleagues we were with were
a lot of fun. But if you're a big beer drinker, yeah,
but I would do your research because the thing is,
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it's not like there was choices of beer. It's like
you order beer, you get, you get the beer, or
at least that's what came with the dinner we had.
Maybe there was other maybe there was other choices on
the regular menu. I don't know, but they just kept
bringing out this one beer that everybody in our group
was drinking. So you'd have to do your research and
turn to the beer part of it. But it's I mean,
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it's it truly is a cultural a unique cultural experience.
And then it's and then throughout the streets people are
just you know, in their costumes. You've got full families
walking around, kids and strolls and people are wearing their
costumes and they're they've let you know, I presumably they
were in Octoberfest earlier or later that day, but they're
just walking around Munich and going to restaurants and stuff.
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So it's just funny. It's very festive.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was awesome. Yeah, So anyway, so yeah, no, I
Rubin actually likes costumes. He does. He'll drag his feet sometimes,
but like once he gets into it, he is into
it and he likes to put the whole outfit together
and yeah it's fun. So he's great for Halloween. And yeah,
that was good.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So now that was just part of it, right, That
was just like three days.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And then we went on to Lyon, France, and I
had never been to that part of France before. It
was like a mini Paris.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I actually really see Leon. Any one of us would
say Leon.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And you're like, you say Lieon because it's l y
o n Lion. Yeah. Leon.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So was that awesome?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah? I actually really loved it there. And I will
say something that was unique for this trip. You know,
I'm a sociologist, and something I started doing a few
years ago when I travel is try to find a
historical fiction book based on a country I'm going to,
specifically with strong women characters, because for me, it's way
more interesting to learn about history and a country that
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way with characters that I can relate to. And so
when I went to Ireland last year, I did that,
and this year since I was going to Germany, and
then we were going to Lyon. I chose a book
based around World War two and specifically women who were
resistance fighters in Germany during World War two. And so
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while I was in Munich, I also went to Dachau,
the concentration camp outside with Munich, and it was the
first one and where they kind of fine tuned their
methods of torture and control of the various prisoners there.
So that was very clearly sobering experience. But doing that
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and then reading this book that was very historic accurate
in terms of the unfolding of Hitler's rise of power
throughout the twenties and thirties in Germany and what was
going on, and then seeing it through the eyes of
and these were real people that lived, resistant workers. I
mean most of them were killed in a concentration camp
by the end as political prisoners. So and then went
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on in Leon, France, they were this hub of the
resistance movement. When France was occupied by Germany and World
War two, Leon became the hub and pulling together the
resistant movements, especially all around France, especially in southern France.
And so they had a deportation and resistance museum in Leon.
So I went to that, so I was just getting
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this richness of history and yeah, and you know rise
power of dictators and how and propaganda and all sorts
of stuff. So anyway, it was a particularly you know,
it's a very educational trip in that way, very moving
trip in that way. I mean, another was fun. You know.
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Obviously we went wine tasting southern France and the Rhone Valley.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Was it beautiful?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It was beautiful, Yeah, it was, it was really but yeah,
we were able to find this lookout point after we
went wine tasting, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Gorgeous with these river going through and these rolling hills
with the wineries or the vineyards, and they're known for
being particularly steep hills, so it was a neat environment
to be in.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually you would like this. So I because Ruben's birthday
had been two weeks before this trip, so one of
the gifts I gave him I found this really unique
walking tour in Lyon and I got it for us
for Saturday night. It was it was learning hit some
of the history of Leon through the lens of architecture
and music and then also wine and so this tour
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got there was only five of us on the tour.
It was Reuben and I and then this these this
older couple and the daughter who was a professor that
was an English professor and she was in lyon for
the semester to teach there, and so they were just
a blast. And our tour guide would guide us around
and talk about like this plaza we were in and
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the silk workers that had protested there back in the
fifteen hundreds when the whole industry was silk. And then
he had his iPad or his iPhone hooked up to
a speaker in his backpack, and then he'd played one
of the protest songs they so we got to hear
it as we're in this actual square and there was
actually protesters there around the Israel Gaza war happening, so
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he really got to feel the vibe of it. And
then we moved on to a church and was talking
about the organist there and that that organists had written
an opera. So then he played part of that opera,
and so he was just we were moving around and
Ruben used to be a DJ in high school and college.
I think I've mentioned that before and loves music, knows
so much music, and the other people on the tour
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knew so much about music. So that was the whole
lens of this like hour and a half tour. And
then we ended up at this really cute little restaurant
and we got to we ordered, we picked out three
bottles of wine between the group of us, and then
got to try different local wines and compare them while
we had dinner there and chatted and got to know folks.
So it was so unique and fun. You would have
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liked it, I think his music person. Yeah, it was
super cool.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Sounds like my kind of thing too. Where was the
where was the mini vacation? What's that you said you
had a mini vacation too last week?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh it wasn't a vacation. Wait, so wait, let me
just know it. So this trip then ended up in Malta.
Then he finally then had a conference in Malta, so
we had conferences and talks in all places. So then
we were there for like three nights, and that was
super very interesting mix of sort of Italian Middle Eastern,
uniquely its own formed by like the nights of Malta,
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very interesting history and weird island country. It was very
curious but cool, cool to see. Anyway, last week was minivacation.
I was in Milwaukee. Actually I had some work there. Oh,
and I thought I loved Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, yes, I was.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It is a delightful Midwestern town.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I liked, Yeah, and it was funny. My Uber driver
taking me to the airport that morning, he's like, oh,
so were you headed and I was like, oh, Milwaukee
and he's like, Oh, that's a place that's not just
like a like a tool company, which do they make
tools like I didn't even know, yes, yeah, oh yeah.
He's like, oh, that's an actual place. I just thought
that was a tool company name.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And I was like, uh, they're the red tools. You'll now,
you'll see them when you Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We celebrated an anniversary my wife and I on September
twenty ninth. Then we went on That day was a Sunday,
and we went to Temeculad to taste some wine because
we've been going to a Pasa Robles the last few years.
We did not get to go this year, which kind
of bums me out because that's my favorite trip of
the year, but are one of my favorite and it
was very hard to convince her to go because she
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and her friend Maylani. You know, they get you go
to these really nice wineries and passa robles, and then
you sort of get snooty about it, like, well, O
can't I go to Temecula. It's like, why not? It's
good wine, it's a great place. So finally convinced her.
And what was great is she, which I thought was
very nice of her, planned it for us for our anniversary.
She's like, you know, I know you really want to go,
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and I know, and I'm like, oh wow, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I hired my son Gavin, who was in town
for the weekend from Fullerton. I paid him a hundred
bucks cash to be your driver. Yep, to be our driver.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Such a good idea.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I mean, you do it in passive robles anyway, and
you pay him more than that. So it's like, okay,
you know what. And he did the whole day, and
we bought him lunch and we got to sit and
have a conversation with him and really just rely he
enjoyed it. He's like, I really enjoyed that. So we're
gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
What now you make him dress? And we're like a
chauffeur's no, but I should have you.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, we're doing it again November three with our friends
jam Mailani, because now that my wife and I did it,
she chose the wineries. They were all fantastic, nice and
we So now now the other couple is into it,
They're like, okay, fine, let's go November third. I'm like, yes,
because here's the way I looked at it. I said, look,
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I love Pasa Robels. I love doing this, but it's
expensive by the time you go three nights, the traveling,
the time, yeah, the reservations, the wine we end up
buying bottles of one. You know, it's expensive that the hotel,
and so I said, why don't we treat our house
in Temecula one weekend like we do the hotel in
paser Robles. It's fifty minutes away. I mean, we would
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drive forty forty five minutes to other wineries and then
thirty minutes away. And then so I said, let's just
treat our house like it's the hotel idea and not
have to pay to stay. Let's go to three wineries
up there, and then if we want to go the
next day, we can go. Otherwise just one day. So
we did just the one day end. It was. It
was fantastic. I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's such a gritty, but I like that idea, Like
for any folks listening to this, or couples listening, like,
what can you do that's creative that you write use
one of your homes as a center point, and like, right,
is there some kid you know when of you have
a kid or a relative or something in their twenties
who you can throw some money at and you could
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split it. But then they will be your drivers. So
everybody can relax, they can go and have nice food.
You could drink. Even if you're not in your wineries,
you could still like hop around to different places keeper
than ubers and stuff. And then right, and then anchor
in somebody's home, put out air mattresses if you have to. Like,
that's a great idea. That's actually really I like that
creativity for staycations.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And that's the thing tells are super expensive. Yeah, so
let's even say you do that for three days. Let's
even go back to wineries. You go three days to
Temecula to do winery, right, and you do three a day,
You're still gonna spend some money, but what you're gonna
save on three nights of hotel. Yeah, is easily a
nice place in Temecula. You're gonna save seven hundred bucks. Yeah,
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and that's not three nights, sorry, that's two nights. Three nights.
You're gonna save about a grand. Yeah, okay, so your
entire three full days of wineries. Great idea costure probably.
And I'm just saying, and I'm being loose with this.
Let's say you spend three hundred bucks a day three
p fifty on eating and drinking, because that realistically is
what you can do. It's it can be expensive, yeah,
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when you're going out to dinner and out to lunch
and out and you're gone all day long. All right,
So now you spent nine hundred bucks to one thousand
bucks for three days instead of two to twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, and what's nice too? Honestly, if you have someone
else that's driving you from home, pack a big cooler,
stick it in the trunk, Put put like cheeses and
all sorts of stuff in there, and then take a
place that you can have a picnic, because some of
them have big yard areas, Like if you're going to
a winery or otherwise whatever you're doing, like there is
just really there's creative ways to keep costs way down,
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but still really special experiences in front, probably more memorable
experiences because they're not they're outside the norm because you
had to bring a little creativity in it. So I
love that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And I guarantee you'd pay a driver to take you hourly,
you'd pay I don't think you'd get one for less
than thirty five forty bucks an hour. So let's even
say thirty you know, Okay, so it's an hour up there,
hour back that's too out sixty bucks. Then you got
your probably four hours of wine tasting minimum that's minimum,
maybe five. So to pay my son a hundred bucks
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helps him. It's cash, so it's not you know, he's
not getting taxes taken out. And so he said on
November thirty's like, you know, I'll come back into town
for the hour and a half drive and stay the weekend.
If you guys want me to drive you Jay and
Meilani and Mom. I'm like, hell, yes, let's do it.
That's so good and now and then we're gonna split
the cost yeah with the other couple. So anyway, yay,
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Oh that's.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A really good idea. I think that's a really good,
good couple idea. And I'd say, particularly if you're feeling
like if you're struggling with money and finances and you're
feeling disappointed, like truly get creative. This is actually a
good chat GPT question too, to go in and say
this is where I live, this is what we like
to do. We're struggling with money, give me ten date
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ideas and this is like, yeah, and it will truly
and even if only one of them is a gem,
you just got one great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So and let me tell you are not alone if
you're worried about money, because here's my thing. My wife
and I we do very well together. It is not
what we make, it is what we spend. We have
reeling that in So so yeah, I'll say to a friend,
you know, like if they go, man, you look at
one of those side by sides, those you know, four
wheelers for you know, going off road, and I said, yeah,
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I have for years, but I can't do it. You
can't or you won't. I said, I cannot justify doing
it with all of the other bills that we have,
you know. Yeah, So I just threw that out there
because I know there's got to be people listening who
somebody who's who feels like God, I make too good
of money to feel stressed about money. Trust me, we're
with you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But anyway, so, oh, go ahead, I don't know what
were you going to say. I was going to bring
up a friend of mine's mom and I had this
conversation just a few days ago about this, unless you
had something else I was gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh, I want to hear this.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So her Okay, so years ago, And the reason I'm
bringing this up is I just literally had this conversation
with another friend of mine at coffee corner about how
my friend Joey very good friend all through high school
and still to this day. We don't talk as much
as we'd like at all. But he's in Vegas. I'm here.
They lived in Santee. We went to Santana together and
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so we hung out like freakin' frack every day. I
got to know the family very very well, and his
mom is from the South Mississippi and Southern gal just
a great family. And she would tell you exactly like
it is, I mean, like it is. Yeah, So she
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would she would tell us when we're right, she'd tell
us when we're wrong. We got into conversations and he
and I, Joe and I somehow got on the subject
of talking about going to a strip joint, sorry, a
dance Well it's called a strip club, yeah, and exotic dancers.
I know that's what they prefer to be called. So
that's fine. But when we started talking about it, she goes, honey,
you can do what you won't you know, you boys
or you know, if you're allowed to get in there,
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you go ahead and do that. She goes, But I'm
going to tell you right now. She goes, I have
a problem with that. And I'm like, what, she goes
because they get all these men jacked up with nowhere
to go with that full gas tank, and that can
cause some problems. And I'm like, yeah, she goes. Not
that they don't have the right to do it. They
can do what they want. She goes, but that's my opinion.
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She goes, I, however, think that prostitution is a more
viable job and way of making a live And I said,
how's that interesting? She goes. I'll tell you why. She goes,
because they provide a service and they allow men to
it's actually having sex. So the man gets his release
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rather than getting all jacked up and then leaving. And
she goes, they're responsible for their own actions.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But he has a hand by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right right right, No, and she but but her point
was and again she said they can do what they want.
She doesn't have an issue with the ladies doing either one.
But she says, I just respect prostitution more. Oh my god,
I actually provide the service.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Wow. Wow, that's unexpected.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I know, it was very unexpected, and I wanted and she,
by the way, she really a very proper Southern lady.
But when she said that all these years later, this
is we're talking years ago, I remembered it. So I
had this conversation. So I want to get your take
on it. Like, I got no problem with anything that
women do as far as even prostitution. Look, that's their
own body. But but that take really made me curious
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about what would you what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, it's one It makes me think that that is
a woman who has probably experienced men who are not
responsible with their sexual desire.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Gotcha, So she has, you know, yeah, probably experienced some
negative things. And then there and then her view on
male sexuality is a bit of like, right, once it
gets riled up that they don't have control over it,
and like they have, something has to happen. So I
mean I find that, I mean, I find that problematic
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and I'm I think it's you know, telling you know,
of her own personal experiences unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So I wouldn't know about anything, right, No, there's.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
No reason you would. So that is what stands out
to me. Yeah, I think, I mean, I that's interesting.
I mean it's interesting that then right as somebody who's
you know, proper and southern and like older generation of
a woman, that she then that it would lead her
to be like but you know what prostitutes. I respect that.
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I mean, I think it's amazing that that's where she
ended up with their thinking and realizing like that's you know,
that's you know, that's work. That's especially with people you
don't love and are probably not attracted to and maybe
don't even like it all in your initial and to
be able to like please that person and show up
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and open your legs and get them off like that
is work. That is definitely work. And just like that,
that's emotional work and mental work and physical work and
like could be like soul crushing work, frankly, but yeah,
does work.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, I'll tell you what. And it just led me
to I just remember this. There is a real nice
lady who comes into my coffee shop and the first
day that I met her, but you know, I just
I create conversation. Hey, thanks for coming. And she wasn't
riding a motorcycle, so well thanks for coming in. Oh yeah, yeah,
my name is so and so.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, well well can I get you and as as
as as my son's in the back, get making the coffee.
And I'm having the conversation. I just decided ask, hey,
what do you do for work? I just, you know, whatever,
just a conversation. She goes, oh, porn, And I'm like, oh,
it was so matter of fact, no matter, nope, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Shut up.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I thought so too. Oh no, you you'd probably want
to talk to her, because she really she's very cool,
she's very open. She does not care. But she's not
like she's not rude at all, She's not like older,
she's just in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait wait, so did she mean like camp girl?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
P Well yes, so I was going to say. So
I start talking to her and I'm like I'm like, oh,
I kind of went, oh, I go, okay, well cool,
I go, I've you been doing that? And she went
into and she's married, she's got a husbands. Well right,
But here's the funny thing is that I was I said, look,
I'm naturally very curious. I have questions. If it's okay
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to ask, I go, because you seem comfortable. She's like, no,
go ahead. I'm like, okay, how long you been doing this?
And what's up? And then as she's coming a few
more times over the last several months, I met her husband.
Super nice guy. She does only things.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How old is she?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Ooh, It's so hard for me to tell age now
that I'm getting older, I'm going to guess she's in
her mid to late twenties. No more than thirties, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Think middle late so yeah, quite quite.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And then the husband, I don't know if he's thirty
thirty five, I'm not sure he could be for all
I know, late twenties, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, So she's got an OnlyFans page.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
She's got an only fans page, and she's I forget
how long she's been doing it. But fast forward about
a month or two later, more conversation, another month, more conversation.
The last conversation, I go, hey, I go, how's everything going.
She goes, oh good, She goes, my husband's going to
retire from his job to help with only fans. We're
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doing well enough. I said, oh god cool. She goes, yeah,
we're doing about forty thousand dollars a month. I go,
wait what She goes, forty k a month is what
I'm doing now and only fans on average. I said,
are you kidding? She goes, no, huh, not at all.
And I go wow. She comes in the last time,
which was last weekend. I said, hey, everything going well.
She goes, oh yeah, She goes, yeah, we're on pace.
We did sixty thousand last month. We're on pace to
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do over that this month. And I'm like, oh my god.
She says, I have friends who do this. She goes, now,
mind you, they're very fetish and very very unique, you know,
like her friends are.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is she more like more mainstream.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Or you didn't ask it, but now I want to ask.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, I'm super pleased to do yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I'll say for doctor Jen, not for me. She
says she has friends that'll do five hundred thousand dollars
a month. And I'm like, what And so I joked,
I go, god, man, maybe I could be a fat
Harry Beistill, Like I don't know that, Like, you know, no, because.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You have to get men to pay for their sexual excitement.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And here's what she said. Here's what she said. She goes, Oh,
you could absolutely do that. There's there is a market
and a niche for everyone. And she goes, by the way,
to your point, she goes, it would be mostly men.
I said, really, She goes, oh, yeah, whether it's a
man or a woman, it's mostly men.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh yeah, that's known that. That's men or the will
pay for sexual things in a way women won't or
don't have to, or don't need to or aren't interested
in doing so.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. But I and I believe you, but I and
I realize that. But I just thought, my god, the
money in that, and I, well, i'd.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Be super curious, like how many hours a day does
she work? And that's how much ask that rep is
is in it? I know, I mean one of the
things I know, just even be in the sex education field,
it's hard to get credit card companies to support you,
you know, like because they don't want anything to do
with the sex industry. So it is hard to run
a business because you don't have access to business things
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that you need to support. So I'm super curious.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And here's what's funny is that she just went to
Vegas for some convention. I think it was a I'm
probably wrong, A tattoo convention maybe, but not no, No,
it wasn't. No, it wasn't It was a.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Was it an erotic one?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I remember it wasn't like the name erotic, but I
don't remember if it had to do with with Oh
my god, what was it she said it? I can't remember.
I'll ask when I see her again. But the point
is she said that she wants to sponsor it next time,
for like ten grand. And she goes, and you know,
and I looked at her, and I go, well, what
about you putting one on? And she goes, you know,
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I thought about that. She goes because I said, did
you have a good time? She goes, oh my god,
it was a great time, And she goes, I met
a lot of great people and learned a lot. And
I go, why don't you put one on? And then
what she said made sense. She goes, Yeah, but you know,
the liability she goes just having to put all of
that together, and the cost is enormous.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's not event planning is so much work and so
little payoff.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I know about events.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Would you encourage somebody to do it? Well, and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well what I thought was what I thought in my
mind was if she puts that on, it makes millions
of dollars. But then I was brought back down to
reality with the liability, and you've got to get all
of the vendors and the attendees. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No, it is so so much work and to get
people to pay to come. The only way you're gonna
make any money is if you have massive sponsors. And
it's just it's not but you still spend all of
this time and energy. No, it's not not not somebody
who's part of events.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, But you know, I talk to someone like that
who's doing that, and I, by the way, have zero
and I do mean zero judgment. But I get excited
for that person not because of what they do, because
they're doing something that is making them enough money that
they're now debt free and now they can save and
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decide in the next three to five to ten years,
maybe next year. At that rate, they can retire if
that's what they choose to do. That excites me because
I look at like when people have these successful businesses,
because that's what it is. Yeah, regardless of how you
feel about the content, Yeah, he is, and I dig it.
When she told me your husband was retiring from what
he does to help her, I genuinely got excited for them.
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I went, that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So it just creating a page for your wife? Is that?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh it's so funny. I said that to my wife.
I go, I go, honey, maybe we gotta do something.
Hey the bills bring home the bacon with that?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hear me out.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, he's a teacher.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
For teacher.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Maybe you're spanking me or yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's really good. Yeah, that's yeah. There will be a
lot there, so I think anyway it'd be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, And for some reason it flipped my mind. I
slipped my mind. I was like, oh my god, what
did I just I can't what's wrong with me? She's
super cool? I could I can point her out in
a crowd of.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uh, that's cool, that's fascinating. Yeah. I would like to know,
like what her, you know, because general, when people are
offering something unique, right, especially if they're making that much money,
something that's making them stand out. I'd also like to
know like where is it? Is it like per minute?
Like what is her per minute charge? Is that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, I don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I wonder groups of men watching or she is
like one on one and they're paying, you know, ten
dollars per minute and asking her to do stuff. Like
I'm curious about the details of it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I wonder if she'd ever maybe I'll talk to her
and maybe I could say, Hey, I don't know if
you'd ever want to, but if you want to do
a zoom call with me and doctor Jen, I mean right, it'd.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Be super interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, really interesting. Yeah, because I am curious about her day.
I really am, Like, Yeah, you wake up, you have coffee,
You go in the room that's stud set up like
a studio. Is it set up like a studio? Is
it just one room? Is it just your house? Is
it is it somewhere else? Does your husband like does
he do in the filming or is it on a tripod?
Or what are you doing? You know? I have got
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to run. I got a dentist appointment.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Got it? Oh sorry, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well, it's been over a year and a half since
I've been to the dentist, and I cleanings don't feel comfortable.
I'll tell you that, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Hang in there, go to your go to your happy place.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Ah, have a great day.
Doctor Jen, Welcome back after two weeks gone across the globe.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What were we doing? Well, it's been longer since we've
talked to even because we didn't even then last week
I had a mini trip too, So yeah, I feel
like it's been at least three weeks since we've talked.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Has it been really Yeah? A long time time flies though,
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, So where where did you go? What did
you do?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So? I tagged along with my boyfriend Reuben because he
had a bunch of conferences and talks, so he had
four talks in three countries and we and it was
ended up being a two week trip. So we started
in Munich and I'd never been to Germany before, so
that was awesome. And the timing of it was because
Octoberfest is only a sixteen day time period at the
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end of September in early October, so we got to
go to Octoberfest one night. They had a speaker's dinner
there and him and I ahead of time, I was like,
we have to dress in costumes. I go most of
the people dressing costumes, and that is true, it's not
a lie. Seventy seventy of the people. So we bought
on Amazon leader hosing for him a whole outfit, and
he put together with the checktop he already had, and
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I got a journal from myself, the whole adorable little outfit,
and we packed him in our back.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Do you think do you think he actually enjoys doing
the outfit thing or is he doing at pushed.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It, he fought it for a while, or he just
wasn't interested. And I did all this research, and then
it was about a week before our trip, and we
started reading more about Octoberfest specifically and what to expect
and what the tenths are like. And we found out
for sure that I could join him for his work
dinner that night in Octoberfest. And then once he started
reading about it and looking at pictures and stuff, he's like, well,
(01:40):
I don't know, maybe we should get costumes. So I
did not push it. I had said maybe we could
rent them there anyway, And then once he got into it,
he was into it, no, and it was great. He
was adorable in his leader hose.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do you have pictures of you guys?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Oh my god, yeah, I post them all. I'll send
them to you. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Wait, hold on,
I can pull it one up easily.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, I gotta see this. Yeah, you know, going to
Octoberfest in Germany. Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's well. And Munich Munich is the original one too.
So like we were, we were at the real thing
that's been going on for you know, two hundred and
fifty years or something. And the tent that we were in,
so they have like tents. It's massive. It is a
massive So I didn't realize it is a massive festival.
There's rides and games and food and it's just like
this massive like outdoor festival grounds that you walk into
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like a fair grounds type of thing, and then they
have these tents that that and some of them have
been around were like hundreds of years. And the breweries
have been around for like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of years. And so we were in one of those
nine thousand people in this tent and you so you
are packed in and in the center on a raised
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stage is this band and you just pack in and
you get beer and half chickens. And I was like,
oh lovely, i hate beer and I'm a vegetarian. Oh no,
I figured out how to fill The soft pretzels were amazing. Wait,
I'll show you a photo of that in a second.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That sounds like such a fun time.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Here is me here with a big soft pretzel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh my god, that's great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And then here is.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And I can tell in that picture that your outfit's
cool too.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. And then here's Ruben and I and our outfits.
That's great, that adorable.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So will you be more out of place if you
didn't dress up in a place?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Actually, it truly was. I had no idea how much
it would be, but I was trying to estimate, estimate
the whole thing, and I was like, at least seventy
five percent of people are in costume, men and women, Wow,
all ages. It was so fun it it was nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Do you recommend someone who lets like me, who likes
beer and likes all that, to go do this?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, if you're a big beer person, yes I would.
It's just I mean I would go on an off day.
We were there on a Monday night, so that was good.
But it was still packed because we were in like
the most I think the most popular tent, but we
had a reservation because we were part of a group.
Apparently it's really hard to get into these tents and
Saturday is apparently the craziest day, but if you go
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on on off day during the week, it's easier to
get in. And the thing is you need a seat.
You can't just like come in like you need to
be at a table. And then ordering beers, the beer
steins are they're heavy, like I had to use two hands,
and so I don't like beer, so I did a
mix of half. There's something called a rattler that's half
lemonade half beer. Yeah, I did that, and then I
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did one that was half beer and half like a
sparkling apple cider and that was actually I really quite
like because it was like an apple beer then, and
that was good. But these styles they're so heavy, and
you do broost, which is your cheers, and you clang
the glasses and it seems like they would break, but
they are massive and needed like two hands to build
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a drink. And then people start. It's all these like
basically picnic tables packed in so you're literally back to
back with the picnic table behind you with strangers. And
then as the night goes on and the band's playing
songs that people love, including John Denver's Country Roads.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh my god, thousands of.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
People stand up on the seats. You're not allowed on
the tables apparently, but you can stand on the bench seats.
And they stand with their massive beer steins, all in
their costumes, singing John Denver's Country Roads in English, and
I was like, this is amazing. So and then, I mean,
there was a lot of German singing and folk songs
and ninety nine Looft Blues.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Did they lose the accent when they were singing? John
Denver was like, no, it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is pretty English. Because I'm wondering, I'm wondering. I don't
know how many people there were German, how many people
were visiting from other countries. I mean, I do think
it was primarily German, but could be people from other
parts of Germany too. So anyway, it was we were
there for like four hours or so, so maybe all
together five hours. We were walking around outside some and
I was like, that was good, that was perfect. We
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left by like nine thirty. I'm like, I'm good. We
don't need to keep drinking beer. People are getting drunk.
It's crazy. And I'm like I'm and like we're in
our ear, you know, early fifties. I was like, you know, check,
we did this. It was great. It was fun, thrilled
we were in costume. His colleagues we were with were
a lot of fun. But if you're a big beer drinker, yeah,
but I would do your research because the thing is,
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it's not like there was choices of beer. It's like
you order beer, you get, you get the beer, or
at least that's what came with the dinner we had.
Maybe there was other maybe there was other choices on
the regular menu. I don't know, but they just kept
bringing out this one beer that everybody in our group
was drinking. So you'd have to do your research and
turn to the beer part of it. But it's I mean,
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it's it truly is a cultural a unique cultural experience.
And then it's and then throughout the streets people are
just you know, in their costumes. You've got full families
walking around, kids and strolls and people are wearing their
costumes and they're they've let you know, I presumably they
were in Octoberfest earlier or later that day, but they're
just walking around Munich and going to restaurants and stuff.
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So it's just funny. It's very festive.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was awesome. Yeah, So anyway, so yeah, no, I
Rubin actually likes costumes. He does. He'll drag his feet sometimes,
but like once he gets into it, he is into
it and he likes to put the whole outfit together
and yeah it's fun. So he's great for Halloween. And yeah,
that was good.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So now that was just part of it, right, That
was just like three days.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And then we went on to Lyon, France, and I
had never been to that part of France before. It
was like a mini Paris.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I actually really see Leon. Any one of us would
say Leon.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And you're like, you say Lieon because it's l y
o n Lion. Yeah. Leon.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So was that awesome?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah? I actually really loved it there. And I will
say something that was unique for this trip. You know,
I'm a sociologist, and something I started doing a few
years ago when I travel is try to find a
historical fiction book based on a country I'm going to,
specifically with strong women characters, because for me, it's way
more interesting to learn about history and a country that
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way with characters that I can relate to. And so
when I went to Ireland last year, I did that,
and this year since I was going to Germany, and
then we were going to Lyon. I chose a book
based around World War two and specifically women who were
resistance fighters in Germany during World War two. And so
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while I was in Munich, I also went to Dachau,
the concentration camp outside with Munich, and it was the
first one and where they kind of fine tuned their
methods of torture and control of the various prisoners there.
So that was very clearly sobering experience. But doing that
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and then reading this book that was very historic accurate
in terms of the unfolding of Hitler's rise of power
throughout the twenties and thirties in Germany and what was
going on, and then seeing it through the eyes of
and these were real people that lived, resistant workers. I
mean most of them were killed in a concentration camp
by the end as political prisoners. So and then went
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on in Leon, France, they were this hub of the
resistance movement. When France was occupied by Germany and World
War two, Leon became the hub and pulling together the
resistant movements, especially all around France, especially in southern France.
And so they had a deportation and resistance museum in Leon.
So I went to that, so I was just getting
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this richness of history and yeah, and you know rise
power of dictators and how and propaganda and all sorts
of stuff. So anyway, it was a particularly you know,
it's a very educational trip in that way, very moving
trip in that way. I mean, another was fun. You know.
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Obviously we went wine tasting southern France and the Rhone Valley.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Was it beautiful?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It was beautiful, Yeah, it was, it was really but yeah,
we were able to find this lookout point after we
went wine tasting, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Gorgeous with these river going through and these rolling hills
with the wineries or the vineyards, and they're known for
being particularly steep hills, so it was a neat environment
to be in.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually you would like this. So I because Ruben's birthday
had been two weeks before this trip, so one of
the gifts I gave him I found this really unique
walking tour in Lyon and I got it for us
for Saturday night. It was it was learning hit some
of the history of Leon through the lens of architecture
and music and then also wine and so this tour
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got there was only five of us on the tour.
It was Reuben and I and then this these this
older couple and the daughter who was a professor that
was an English professor and she was in lyon for
the semester to teach there, and so they were just
a blast. And our tour guide would guide us around
and talk about like this plaza we were in and
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the silk workers that had protested there back in the
fifteen hundreds when the whole industry was silk. And then
he had his iPad or his iPhone hooked up to
a speaker in his backpack, and then he'd played one
of the protest songs they so we got to hear
it as we're in this actual square and there was
actually protesters there around the Israel Gaza war happening, so
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he really got to feel the vibe of it. And
then we moved on to a church and was talking
about the organist there and that that organists had written
an opera. So then he played part of that opera,
and so he was just we were moving around and
Ruben used to be a DJ in high school and college.
I think I've mentioned that before and loves music, knows
so much music, and the other people on the tour
(12:00):
knew so much about music. So that was the whole
lens of this like hour and a half tour. And
then we ended up at this really cute little restaurant
and we got to we ordered, we picked out three
bottles of wine between the group of us, and then
got to try different local wines and compare them while
we had dinner there and chatted and got to know folks.
So it was so unique and fun. You would have
(12:21):
liked it, I think his music person. Yeah, it was
super cool.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Sounds like my kind of thing too. Where was the
where was the mini vacation? What's that you said you
had a mini vacation too last week?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh it wasn't a vacation. Wait, so wait, let me
just know it. So this trip then ended up in Malta.
Then he finally then had a conference in Malta, so
we had conferences and talks in all places. So then
we were there for like three nights, and that was
super very interesting mix of sort of Italian Middle Eastern,
uniquely its own formed by like the nights of Malta,
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very interesting history and weird island country. It was very
curious but cool, cool to see. Anyway, last week was minivacation.
I was in Milwaukee. Actually I had some work there. Oh,
and I thought I loved Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, yes, I was.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It is a delightful Midwestern town.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I liked, Yeah, and it was funny. My Uber driver
taking me to the airport that morning, he's like, oh,
so were you headed and I was like, oh, Milwaukee
and he's like, Oh, that's a place that's not just
like a like a tool company, which do they make
tools like I didn't even know, yes, yeah, oh yeah.
He's like, oh, that's an actual place. I just thought
that was a tool company name.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And I was like, uh, they're the red tools. You'll now,
you'll see them when you Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We celebrated an anniversary my wife and I on September
twenty ninth. Then we went on That day was a Sunday,
and we went to Temeculad to taste some wine because
we've been going to a Pasa Robles the last few years.
We did not get to go this year, which kind
of bums me out because that's my favorite trip of
the year, but are one of my favorite and it
was very hard to convince her to go because she
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and her friend Maylani. You know, they get you go
to these really nice wineries and passa robles, and then
you sort of get snooty about it, like, well, O
can't I go to Temecula. It's like, why not? It's
good wine, it's a great place. So finally convinced her.
And what was great is she, which I thought was
very nice of her, planned it for us for our anniversary.
She's like, you know, I know you really want to go,
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and I know, and I'm like, oh wow, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I hired my son Gavin, who was in town
for the weekend from Fullerton. I paid him a hundred
bucks cash to be your driver. Yep, to be our driver.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Such a good idea.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I mean, you do it in passive robles anyway, and
you pay him more than that. So it's like, okay,
you know what. And he did the whole day, and
we bought him lunch and we got to sit and
have a conversation with him and really just rely he
enjoyed it. He's like, I really enjoyed that. So we're
gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
What now you make him dress? And we're like a
chauffeur's no, but I should have you.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, we're doing it again November three with our friends
jam Mailani, because now that my wife and I did it,
she chose the wineries. They were all fantastic, nice and
we So now now the other couple is into it,
They're like, okay, fine, let's go November third. I'm like, yes,
because here's the way I looked at it. I said, look,
(15:16):
I love Pasa Robels. I love doing this, but it's
expensive by the time you go three nights, the traveling,
the time, yeah, the reservations, the wine we end up
buying bottles of one. You know, it's expensive that the hotel,
and so I said, why don't we treat our house
in Temecula one weekend like we do the hotel in
paser Robles. It's fifty minutes away. I mean, we would
(15:38):
drive forty forty five minutes to other wineries and then
thirty minutes away. And then so I said, let's just
treat our house like it's the hotel idea and not
have to pay to stay. Let's go to three wineries
up there, and then if we want to go the
next day, we can go. Otherwise just one day. So
we did just the one day end. It was. It
was fantastic. I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's such a gritty, but I like that idea, Like
for any folks listening to this, or couples listening, like,
what can you do that's creative that you write use
one of your homes as a center point, and like, right,
is there some kid you know when of you have
a kid or a relative or something in their twenties
who you can throw some money at and you could
(16:17):
split it. But then they will be your drivers. So
everybody can relax, they can go and have nice food.
You could drink. Even if you're not in your wineries,
you could still like hop around to different places keeper
than ubers and stuff. And then right, and then anchor
in somebody's home, put out air mattresses if you have to. Like,
that's a great idea. That's actually really I like that
creativity for staycations.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And that's the thing tells are super expensive. Yeah, so
let's even say you do that for three days. Let's
even go back to wineries. You go three days to
Temecula to do winery, right, and you do three a day,
You're still gonna spend some money, but what you're gonna
save on three nights of hotel. Yeah, is easily a
nice place in Temecula. You're gonna save seven hundred bucks. Yeah,
(17:00):
and that's not three nights, sorry, that's two nights. Three nights.
You're gonna save about a grand. Yeah, okay, so your
entire three full days of wineries. Great idea costure probably.
And I'm just saying, and I'm being loose with this.
Let's say you spend three hundred bucks a day three
p fifty on eating and drinking, because that realistically is
what you can do. It's it can be expensive, yeah,
(17:22):
when you're going out to dinner and out to lunch
and out and you're gone all day long. All right,
So now you spent nine hundred bucks to one thousand
bucks for three days instead of two to twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, and what's nice too? Honestly, if you have someone
else that's driving you from home, pack a big cooler,
stick it in the trunk, Put put like cheeses and
all sorts of stuff in there, and then take a
place that you can have a picnic, because some of
them have big yard areas, Like if you're going to
a winery or otherwise whatever you're doing, like there is
just really there's creative ways to keep costs way down,
(17:57):
but still really special experiences in front, probably more memorable
experiences because they're not they're outside the norm because you
had to bring a little creativity in it. So I
love that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And I guarantee you'd pay a driver to take you hourly,
you'd pay I don't think you'd get one for less
than thirty five forty bucks an hour. So let's even
say thirty you know, Okay, so it's an hour up there,
hour back that's too out sixty bucks. Then you got
your probably four hours of wine tasting minimum that's minimum,
maybe five. So to pay my son a hundred bucks
(18:29):
helps him. It's cash, so it's not you know, he's
not getting taxes taken out. And so he said on
November thirty's like, you know, I'll come back into town
for the hour and a half drive and stay the weekend.
If you guys want me to drive you Jay and
Meilani and Mom. I'm like, hell, yes, let's do it.
That's so good and now and then we're gonna split
the cost yeah with the other couple. So anyway, yay,
(18:53):
Oh that's.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A really good idea. I think that's a really good,
good couple idea. And I'd say, particularly if you're feeling
like if you're struggling with money and finances and you're
feeling disappointed, like truly get creative. This is actually a
good chat GPT question too, to go in and say
this is where I live, this is what we like
to do. We're struggling with money, give me ten date
(19:17):
ideas and this is like, yeah, and it will truly
and even if only one of them is a gem,
you just got one great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So and let me tell you are not alone if
you're worried about money, because here's my thing. My wife
and I we do very well together. It is not
what we make, it is what we spend. We have
reeling that in So so yeah, I'll say to a friend,
you know, like if they go, man, you look at
one of those side by sides, those you know, four
wheelers for you know, going off road, and I said, yeah,
(19:45):
I have for years, but I can't do it. You
can't or you won't. I said, I cannot justify doing
it with all of the other bills that we have,
you know. Yeah, So I just threw that out there
because I know there's got to be people listening who
somebody who's who feels like God, I make too good
of money to feel stressed about money. Trust me, we're
with you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But anyway, so, oh, go ahead, I don't know what
were you going to say. I was going to bring
up a friend of mine's mom and I had this
conversation just a few days ago about this, unless you
had something else I was gonna talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh, I want to hear this.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So her Okay, so years ago, And the reason I'm
bringing this up is I just literally had this conversation
with another friend of mine at coffee corner about how
my friend Joey very good friend all through high school
and still to this day. We don't talk as much
as we'd like at all. But he's in Vegas. I'm here.
They lived in Santee. We went to Santana together and
(20:43):
so we hung out like freakin' frack every day. I
got to know the family very very well, and his
mom is from the South Mississippi and Southern gal just
a great family. And she would tell you exactly like
it is, I mean, like it is. Yeah, So she
(21:03):
would she would tell us when we're right, she'd tell
us when we're wrong. We got into conversations and he
and I, Joe and I somehow got on the subject
of talking about going to a strip joint, sorry, a
dance Well it's called a strip club, yeah, and exotic dancers.
I know that's what they prefer to be called. So
that's fine. But when we started talking about it, she goes, honey,
you can do what you won't you know, you boys
or you know, if you're allowed to get in there,
(21:23):
you go ahead and do that. She goes, But I'm
going to tell you right now. She goes, I have
a problem with that. And I'm like, what, she goes
because they get all these men jacked up with nowhere
to go with that full gas tank, and that can
cause some problems. And I'm like, yeah, she goes. Not
that they don't have the right to do it. They
can do what they want. She goes, but that's my opinion.
(21:43):
She goes, I, however, think that prostitution is a more
viable job and way of making a live And I said,
how's that interesting? She goes. I'll tell you why. She goes,
because they provide a service and they allow men to
it's actually having sex. So the man gets his release
(22:05):
rather than getting all jacked up and then leaving. And
she goes, they're responsible for their own actions.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But he has a hand by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right right right, No, and she but but her point
was and again she said they can do what they want.
She doesn't have an issue with the ladies doing either one.
But she says, I just respect prostitution more. Oh my god,
I actually provide the service.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Wow. Wow, that's unexpected.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I know, it was very unexpected, and I wanted and she,
by the way, she really a very proper Southern lady.
But when she said that all these years later, this
is we're talking years ago, I remembered it. So I
had this conversation. So I want to get your take
on it. Like, I got no problem with anything that
women do as far as even prostitution. Look, that's their
own body. But but that take really made me curious
(22:53):
about what would you what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, it's one It makes me think that that is
a woman who has probably experienced men who are not
responsible with their sexual desire.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Gotcha, So she has, you know, yeah, probably experienced some
negative things. And then there and then her view on
male sexuality is a bit of like, right, once it
gets riled up that they don't have control over it,
and like they have, something has to happen. So I
mean I find that, I mean, I find that problematic
(23:30):
and I'm I think it's you know, telling you know,
of her own personal experiences unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So I wouldn't know about anything, right, No, there's.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
No reason you would. So that is what stands out
to me. Yeah, I think, I mean, I that's interesting.
I mean it's interesting that then right as somebody who's
you know, proper and southern and like older generation of
a woman, that she then that it would lead her
to be like but you know what prostitutes. I respect that.
(24:04):
I mean, I think it's amazing that that's where she
ended up with their thinking and realizing like that's you know,
that's you know, that's work. That's especially with people you
don't love and are probably not attracted to and maybe
don't even like it all in your initial and to
be able to like please that person and show up
(24:25):
and open your legs and get them off like that
is work. That is definitely work. And just like that,
that's emotional work and mental work and physical work and
like could be like soul crushing work, frankly, but yeah,
does work.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, I'll tell you what. And it just led me
to I just remember this. There is a real nice
lady who comes into my coffee shop and the first
day that I met her, but you know, I just
I create conversation. Hey, thanks for coming. And she wasn't
riding a motorcycle, so well thanks for coming in. Oh yeah, yeah,
my name is so and so.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, well well can I get you and as as
as as my son's in the back, get making the coffee.
And I'm having the conversation. I just decided ask, hey,
what do you do for work? I just, you know, whatever,
just a conversation. She goes, oh, porn, And I'm like, oh,
it was so matter of fact, no matter, nope, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Shut up.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I thought so too. Oh no, you you'd probably want
to talk to her, because she really she's very cool,
she's very open. She does not care. But she's not
like she's not rude at all, She's not like older,
she's just in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait wait, so did she mean like camp girl?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
P Well yes, so I was going to say. So
I start talking to her and I'm like I'm like, oh,
I kind of went, oh, I go, okay, well cool,
I go, I've you been doing that? And she went
into and she's married, she's got a husbands. Well right,
But here's the funny thing is that I was I said, look,
I'm naturally very curious. I have questions. If it's okay
(26:00):
to ask, I go, because you seem comfortable. She's like, no,
go ahead. I'm like, okay, how long you been doing this?
And what's up? And then as she's coming a few
more times over the last several months, I met her husband.
Super nice guy. She does only things.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How old is she?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Ooh, It's so hard for me to tell age now
that I'm getting older, I'm going to guess she's in
her mid to late twenties. No more than thirties, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Think middle late so yeah, quite quite.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And then the husband, I don't know if he's thirty
thirty five, I'm not sure he could be for all
I know, late twenties, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, So she's got an OnlyFans page.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
She's got an only fans page, and she's I forget
how long she's been doing it. But fast forward about
a month or two later, more conversation, another month, more conversation.
The last conversation, I go, hey, I go, how's everything going.
She goes, oh good, She goes, my husband's going to
retire from his job to help with only fans. We're
(27:00):
doing well enough. I said, oh god cool. She goes, yeah,
we're doing about forty thousand dollars a month. I go,
wait what She goes, forty k a month is what
I'm doing now and only fans on average. I said,
are you kidding? She goes, no, huh, not at all.
And I go wow. She comes in the last time,
which was last weekend. I said, hey, everything going well.
She goes, oh yeah, She goes, yeah, we're on pace.
We did sixty thousand last month. We're on pace to
(27:22):
do over that this month. And I'm like, oh my god.
She says, I have friends who do this. She goes, now,
mind you, they're very fetish and very very unique, you know,
like her friends are.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is she more like more mainstream.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Or you didn't ask it, but now I want to ask.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, I'm super pleased to do yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I'll say for doctor Jen, not for me. She
says she has friends that'll do five hundred thousand dollars
a month. And I'm like, what And so I joked,
I go, god, man, maybe I could be a fat
Harry Beistill, Like I don't know that, Like, you know, no, because.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You have to get men to pay for their sexual excitement.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And here's what she said. Here's what she said. She goes, Oh,
you could absolutely do that. There's there is a market
and a niche for everyone. And she goes, by the way,
to your point, she goes, it would be mostly men.
I said, really, She goes, oh, yeah, whether it's a
man or a woman, it's mostly men.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh yeah, that's known that. That's men or the will
pay for sexual things in a way women won't or
don't have to, or don't need to or aren't interested
in doing so.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. But I and I believe you, but I and
I realize that. But I just thought, my god, the
money in that, and I, well, i'd.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Be super curious, like how many hours a day does
she work? And that's how much ask that rep is
is in it? I know, I mean one of the
things I know, just even be in the sex education field,
it's hard to get credit card companies to support you,
you know, like because they don't want anything to do
with the sex industry. So it is hard to run
a business because you don't have access to business things
(28:58):
that you need to support. So I'm super curious.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And here's what's funny is that she just went to
Vegas for some convention. I think it was a I'm
probably wrong, A tattoo convention maybe, but not no, No,
it wasn't. No, it wasn't It was a.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Was it an erotic one?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I remember it wasn't like the name erotic, but I
don't remember if it had to do with with Oh
my god, what was it she said it? I can't remember.
I'll ask when I see her again. But the point
is she said that she wants to sponsor it next time,
for like ten grand. And she goes, and you know,
and I looked at her, and I go, well, what
about you putting one on? And she goes, you know,
(29:37):
I thought about that. She goes because I said, did
you have a good time? She goes, oh my god,
it was a great time, And she goes, I met
a lot of great people and learned a lot. And
I go, why don't you put one on? And then
what she said made sense. She goes, Yeah, but you know,
the liability she goes just having to put all of
that together, and the cost is enormous.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's not event planning is so much work and so
little payoff.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I know about events.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Would you encourage somebody to do it? Well, and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well what I thought was what I thought in my
mind was if she puts that on, it makes millions
of dollars. But then I was brought back down to
reality with the liability, and you've got to get all
of the vendors and the attendees. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No, it is so so much work and to get
people to pay to come. The only way you're gonna
make any money is if you have massive sponsors. And
it's just it's not but you still spend all of
this time and energy. No, it's not not not somebody
who's part of events.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, But you know, I talk to someone like that
who's doing that, and I, by the way, have zero
and I do mean zero judgment. But I get excited
for that person not because of what they do, because
they're doing something that is making them enough money that
they're now debt free and now they can save and
(30:58):
decide in the next three to five to ten years,
maybe next year. At that rate, they can retire if
that's what they choose to do. That excites me because
I look at like when people have these successful businesses,
because that's what it is. Yeah, regardless of how you
feel about the content, Yeah, he is, and I dig it.
When she told me your husband was retiring from what
he does to help her, I genuinely got excited for them.
(31:22):
I went, that is awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So it just creating a page for your wife? Is that?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh it's so funny. I said that to my wife.
I go, I go, honey, maybe we gotta do something.
Hey the bills bring home the bacon with that?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hear me out.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, he's a teacher.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
For teacher.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Maybe you're spanking me or yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's really good. Yeah, that's yeah. There will be a
lot there, so I think anyway it'd be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, And for some reason it flipped my mind. I
slipped my mind. I was like, oh my god, what
did I just I can't what's wrong with me? She's
super cool? I could I can point her out in
a crowd of.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uh, that's cool, that's fascinating. Yeah. I would like to know,
like what her, you know, because general, when people are
offering something unique, right, especially if they're making that much money,
something that's making them stand out. I'd also like to
know like where is it? Is it like per minute?
Like what is her per minute charge? Is that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, I don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I wonder groups of men watching or she is
like one on one and they're paying, you know, ten
dollars per minute and asking her to do stuff. Like
I'm curious about the details of it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I wonder if she'd ever maybe I'll talk to her
and maybe I could say, Hey, I don't know if
you'd ever want to, but if you want to do
a zoom call with me and doctor Jen, I mean right, it'd.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Be super interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, really interesting. Yeah, because I am curious about her day.
I really am, Like, Yeah, you wake up, you have coffee,
You go in the room that's stud set up like
a studio. Is it set up like a studio? Is
it just one room? Is it just your house? Is
it is it somewhere else? Does your husband like does
he do in the filming or is it on a tripod?
Or what are you doing? You know? I have got
(33:05):
to run. I got a dentist appointment.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Got it? Oh sorry, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well, it's been over a year and a half since
I've been to the dentist, and I cleanings don't feel comfortable.
I'll tell you that, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Hang in there, go to your go to your happy place.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Ah, have a great day.
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