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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jonathan Savage, our Fox correspondent, now in the Vatican City,
joining us as the conclave gets underway today in the
process to select a new pope has started. Jonathan, welcome in,
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello is my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So we know today the one hundred and I guess
thirty three hundred and thirty three cardinals that will be
a part of the voting process, we'll get together and
they'll cast a vote, a couple of votes today. If
they select a pope, white smoke. If they don't select
the pope, you know, then black smoke. They've got to
have what two thirds consensus on where they're going. So
(00:34):
talk to us about what's happening where you are right now,
and what's going on that we might not necessarily know
or see because we're not there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah. I'm in the sunny just on the arthurs of
Peter Square in the Vatican City and in Bath in sunlight.
Peter Square is ready for a new pope because there
is a chimney on the city chapel that's only fruit
there when there's a conclave happening. But also the balcony
of Saint Peter's Basilica has the red curtains on it,
(01:05):
and that's the image that you will see when a
new pope is elected. The new pope will walk out
between those red curtains, onto the balcony and away to
the crowd, which will number tens of thousands at that point,
once a word spread that a new pope has been elected.
But right now I'm just surrounded by not only dozens
and dozens of the world pressed. There's a three story
(01:26):
gantry TV platforms on one side, but there are milling
past me, nuns and clergy of all nationalities, as well
as tourists of all nationalities, and of course the pilgrims
as well, because there are pilgrims who come to Saint
Peter's Basilica every day of the year to worship and
(01:49):
to pay their respects to the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Now I understand all of the cardinals, even those older
than the age of eighty that will not be voting,
are in the room together. So over two hundred thirty
of them, I guess, are there, but only the one
hundred and thirty three get to vote. And in that
process is there a lot of debate going on as
if you were in a jury room. Discussing the outcome,
(02:14):
or is it a lot of prayer and silence? And
how do they go back and forth? Because if the
first vote does bring black smoke and they have not
got to the consensus, they need to what happens in
the second round of discussions or how deep do they
get into that and how much goes on.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There's an element of presidential primary to it, where you
have multiple candidates and those who don't get much vote, well,
their supporters might look elsewhere, or one candidate might stay, look,
I think you should give your vote to somebody else.
So there's element of that too it because they're supposedly
five or six leading candidates, so that's going to split
the vote quite significantly. They won't all be in the
(02:54):
running in the next few days. Now. This is not
just something they're going to be starting to talk about now.
They've been talking about among themselves for the last couple
of weeks since Paul Francis died. There'll be nine or
ten meetings of cardinals where the'se got a chance to
make a speech either suggesting that they might be a
good cope. But I don't think many of them do
(03:14):
put out quite so bluntly, but giving their vision for
what the Catholic Church should do. Also worth mentioning that
eighty percent of these cardinals were appointed in the last
twelve years by Cope Francis, so many are meeting for
the very first time, so there's a lot of getting
to know you going on as well, and that may
make it slightly harder for them to come to a
(03:34):
quick conclusion.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I assume that there's no Caroline Levitt as far
as a press conference and being held every day or
every time there's a vote, and keeping the folks on
the outside up to date on what's been happening inside.
They keep this very private until we see the white smoke. Correct.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, it's a very secretive process. And the smoke you
see is the burning of the ballot papers where a
chemical added to us the color that they require. So
that's what they're doing. They're getting rid of the ballid
paper so no one can see them. Also, the cardinals
are allowed to take notes during the process, but they
must also turn these notes in to be burned along
(04:14):
with the ballid papers.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So when this process does happen like this, there's no
I guess, as you mentioned, there maybe four or five
front runners here, nobody has actually come out and said, Okay,
in the discussions that have led us to today's conclave,
we've got six or seven, eight different cardinals that are
being looked at. I saw something earlier on Fox News
(04:36):
this morning that had photos of about a dozen different
cardinals that somebody has assumed that they're the ones that
are potential to be the new pope. But does anybody
really know who those top ten may be besides the cardinals.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think the cardinals who speak to the media, and
there are some they may talk about who they think
is going to get support un necessarily come out to
say I think A or B should be the next hope.
But you know, some of them are looser lists than
others that are willing to fill a little bit more
in the way of secret. And of course there are
people with good connections journalists of new connections to the
(05:14):
Vatican who are able to get information other ways from
people who work there who overhear conversations. If you look
at the Italian media in particular, they're talking about a
couple of Italians, as you might imagine as the favorite
to be the next pope, but really one of the
things about this conclip is, with its geographic diversity, with
(05:34):
the number who are meeting for the very first time,
nobody really knows what's going on, right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right, Well, it'll be interesting to see, and I'm sure
as soon as the white smoke comes out of the chimney,
the analysis of who the pope is and where they
stand will certainly be discussed for sure. And I'm just
hoping that whatever pope they do select that will go
back to a direction of teaching the Bible and sticking
closer to scriptures oposed to the social waves of today's world.
(06:03):
All Right, Jonathan, thank you so much, buddy,
Jonathan Savage, our Fox correspondent, now in the Vatican City,
joining us as the conclave gets underway today in the
process to select a new pope has started. Jonathan, welcome in,
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello is my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So we know today the one hundred and I guess
thirty three hundred and thirty three cardinals that will be
a part of the voting process, we'll get together and
they'll cast a vote, a couple of votes today. If
they select a pope, white smoke. If they don't select
the pope, you know, then black smoke. They've got to
have what two thirds consensus on where they're going. So
(00:34):
talk to us about what's happening where you are right now,
and what's going on that we might not necessarily know
or see because we're not there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah. I'm in the sunny just on the arthurs of
Peter Square in the Vatican City and in Bath in sunlight.
Peter Square is ready for a new pope because there
is a chimney on the city chapel that's only fruit
there when there's a conclave happening. But also the balcony
of Saint Peter's Basilica has the red curtains on it,
(01:05):
and that's the image that you will see when a
new pope is elected. The new pope will walk out
between those red curtains, onto the balcony and away to
the crowd, which will number tens of thousands at that point,
once a word spread that a new pope has been elected.
But right now I'm just surrounded by not only dozens
and dozens of the world pressed. There's a three story
(01:26):
gantry TV platforms on one side, but there are milling
past me, nuns and clergy of all nationalities, as well
as tourists of all nationalities, and of course the pilgrims
as well, because there are pilgrims who come to Saint
Peter's Basilica every day of the year to worship and
(01:49):
to pay their respects to the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Now I understand all of the cardinals, even those older
than the age of eighty that will not be voting,
are in the room together. So over two hundred thirty
of them, I guess, are there, but only the one
hundred and thirty three get to vote. And in that
process is there a lot of debate going on as
if you were in a jury room. Discussing the outcome,
(02:14):
or is it a lot of prayer and silence? And
how do they go back and forth? Because if the
first vote does bring black smoke and they have not
got to the consensus, they need to what happens in
the second round of discussions or how deep do they
get into that and how much goes on.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There's an element of presidential primary to it, where you
have multiple candidates and those who don't get much vote, well,
their supporters might look elsewhere, or one candidate might stay, look,
I think you should give your vote to somebody else.
So there's element of that too it because they're supposedly
five or six leading candidates, so that's going to split
the vote quite significantly. They won't all be in the
(02:54):
running in the next few days. Now. This is not
just something they're going to be starting to talk about now.
They've been talking about among themselves for the last couple
of weeks since Paul Francis died. There'll be nine or
ten meetings of cardinals where the'se got a chance to
make a speech either suggesting that they might be a
good cope. But I don't think many of them do
(03:14):
put out quite so bluntly, but giving their vision for
what the Catholic Church should do. Also worth mentioning that
eighty percent of these cardinals were appointed in the last
twelve years by Cope Francis, so many are meeting for
the very first time, so there's a lot of getting
to know you going on as well, and that may
make it slightly harder for them to come to a
(03:34):
quick conclusion.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I assume that there's no Caroline Levitt as far
as a press conference and being held every day or
every time there's a vote, and keeping the folks on
the outside up to date on what's been happening inside.
They keep this very private until we see the white smoke. Correct.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, it's a very secretive process. And the smoke you
see is the burning of the ballot papers where a
chemical added to us the color that they require. So
that's what they're doing. They're getting rid of the ballid
paper so no one can see them. Also, the cardinals
are allowed to take notes during the process, but they
must also turn these notes in to be burned along
(04:14):
with the ballid papers.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So when this process does happen like this, there's no
I guess, as you mentioned, there maybe four or five
front runners here, nobody has actually come out and said, Okay,
in the discussions that have led us to today's conclave,
we've got six or seven, eight different cardinals that are
being looked at. I saw something earlier on Fox News
(04:36):
this morning that had photos of about a dozen different
cardinals that somebody has assumed that they're the ones that
are potential to be the new pope. But does anybody
really know who those top ten may be besides the cardinals.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think the cardinals who speak to the media, and
there are some they may talk about who they think
is going to get support un necessarily come out to
say I think A or B should be the next hope.
But you know, some of them are looser lists than
others that are willing to fill a little bit more
in the way of secret. And of course there are
people with good connections journalists of new connections to the
(05:14):
Vatican who are able to get information other ways from
people who work there who overhear conversations. If you look
at the Italian media in particular, they're talking about a
couple of Italians, as you might imagine as the favorite
to be the next pope, but really one of the
things about this conclip is, with its geographic diversity, with
(05:34):
the number who are meeting for the very first time,
nobody really knows what's going on, right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right, Well, it'll be interesting to see, and I'm sure
as soon as the white smoke comes out of the chimney,
the analysis of who the pope is and where they
stand will certainly be discussed for sure. And I'm just
hoping that whatever pope they do select that will go
back to a direction of teaching the Bible and sticking
closer to scriptures oposed to the social waves of today's world.
(06:03):
All Right, Jonathan, thank you so much, buddy,
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