55KRC Thursday Show - Smitherman, Dan Hils, Warren Davidson, Andre Ewing, Liz Keating, Jay Ratliff

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The talk station five O five, the fifty five k
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Will vacation, no ideals.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Thank you for summing up for me in one sound
by Joe Tracker Brian Thomas right here, glad to be
hope you're having a wonderful day. Good to see Joe
where he belongs, right there with his finger on the
sound bite button and the phone number you can call.
Love to hear from you. Maybe you got a comment
about Police Chief Threes Thigi walking on thin ice right now,
Rumors of her being fired swirling around the city of
Cincinnati day. We are going to be talking about that

(00:55):
this morning. I have some details on that. You can
call five one, three, seven, nine fifty five hundred, eight
hundred and eighty two to three talk or go with
com five fifty on AT and T phones. Love hearing
from the listeners, and I love hearing from Dan Hills,
former FOP president. We had Ken Kobra on earlier. Ken
quote in the paper responding to the claims about police
Chief three So Thigi being hauled into the office and

(01:15):
get a I don't know a ton lashing from are
have tab perwal or city manager Long anyway, we'll talk
to Dan Hills about the chief being forced to resign
or not keep your pop going out as I always
like say six point thirty with Dan Hills to seven
oh five. Congressman Barren Davidson will get his thoughts comments
on the reaction with the Israel Gaza broker peace deal,

(01:38):
which I'm not saying is falling apart, but if you've
been paying attention to what's going on the ground in Gaza,
the Hamas folks a little bit upset and are going
around murdering a bunch of Palestinians, right, Yeah, the very
the governing body. I guess you could argue it's still

(01:58):
the governing body Hamas for Gaza. Not that people voted
on that, but shooting their own people, killing their own people,
winding them up and putting bullets in the back of
their head. There's been a lot of news articles about that,
and they're claiming that the ones that they're killing, Hamas
is killing these people because the people that they have
selected to kill were working with the Israelis or something

(02:20):
like that. Sounds remarkably similar to our hasty withdraw from Afghanistan,
leaving a lot of the Afghanistan folks who had actually
helped us during our occupation there, well, leaving them to
a questionable future. I'm sure a lot of them didn't
quite make it out of that same thing going on
right now. So Andrea Ewing the return of heading on

(02:44):
to bed last night, a little bit after my appointed bedtime,
which is eight o'clock. So I'm looking at my watch
like Jesus twenty after eight. I gotta get going. And
that's when I realized I got a text message from
Andrea Ewing. Curse Breakers three hundred. Andre Ewing brother Dre,
he refers to himself as well, return of the Morning Show.
He's an outspoken former police officer, retired with dignity, and

(03:06):
he's been actively involved in criminal rehabilitation programs, and that
that's the curse breaker three hundred thing. He's gonna outspoken
on Facebook, he is. It's always say you got to
follow andre A Ewing on Facebook, much in the same
way I recommend people follow Signal ninety nine. I've got
some words for her on this police chief threats a
thiji thing. Anyway, we'll hear about him and his reaction
to these rumblings about the chief. We'll hear about the

(03:29):
violence downtown. He's got his finger on the pulse of
a lot of things going on in downtown Cincinnati. Andre
Ewing at seven thirty. Liz Keating running for since a
city council. I like Liz, She's a wonderful lady. Should
joined the program at eight oh five. How is her
campaign going, and of course her thoughts on the local
big topics, including the debate last night? Did you watch it?

(03:49):
If you did, call me up? Was that last night? Joe?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was six pm? Yeah, call me up. Let me
know what you thought about it. Not a lot of shocking, literally,
no one. A lot of local reporting on the debate
between you. I have to have pro Wall and Corey Bowman.
So anyhow, Liz Geting on a variety of dovigs a
day oh five, and of course it's Friday East we
hear from my heart. Media aviation expert Jay rat left

(04:13):
today Boeing, increasing the number of jets delivered, but still
behind Airbus Delta United reporting strong earnings and a nod
to the premium passengers for the strong earnings report. Plus
a passenger attacked a crew member, forcing an emergency landing
on Alaska Airlines there's always somebody out there doing something

(04:36):
extraordinarily stupid. We'll talk about that with Jay. We'll see
if I can't come up with some curveball topics between
now and eight thirty to throw at Jack. All right,
since it's the bubbling percolating local issue and there are
a lot of other bubbling percolating issues. Hey, you know
there's a I know one of the reasons that Democrats

(04:57):
keep the government shutdown is because they don't want to
wait till this nel King's prote us this weekend, October eighteenth.
Are you planning on attending. They're expecting millions and millions
of people across the Sun Country to show up on
October eighteenth, this Saturday. There's one event located near you.
More than twenty five hundred of them are planned across
every state in the Union. Organizers include all of the people,

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are the usual characters that you would expect, and a
lot of big fat promotional money by those left wing
organizations like move on dot org that have been promoting this.
So get out there and be angry and yell and
scream and try to be peaceful if you can try
to be I know, I pivoted away from the police

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chief comments, but this is going to be big, and
the Democrats were waiting around for this, because then they're
going to point to the millions of people who took
to the streets on Saturday and protests to the Trump
administration and whatever they're out protesting. Are they angry because
evil Orange Man period, end of story, the Trump arrangement syndrome? People?
Are they angry old immigration policies? Are the angry over

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ice picking up dangerous, murderous rapists and deporting them otherwise
incarcerating him? Is this a rally in support of keeping
illegal immigrant criminals on the street? Is that what this
is about? Is it about Donald Trump negotiating peace between

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Israel and Hamas? Is it about anger over the lack
of a two state solution? Is it anger over and
frustration over the situation involving the Palestinian people? Is it
anger and frustration over the green energy plies, the policies
of the United States. It could be all of them,
and I'm gonna suggest yes, it is literally all of them.

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It reminds me of like the late sixties and early
seventies with Vietnam protests, which included a whole bunch of
different groups and factions coming together just as an angry mob.
Look there they are. That must be the will of
the people, and we'll see. I just want you to
keep in mind. You know, there's a lot of people

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out there that probably have nothing to do on a Saturday.
They'll be happy to show up at this protest because
evil Orange man or whatever. But considering the population of
the United States of America, consider that we have three
hundred and forty plus or minus million people here, how
many people have to show up to reflect and a
reflection of popular public opinion. And just because you have

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a big showing of protesters, is it really truly representative
of what the American people want? Because poll after poll
after poll, we were talking about these eighty twenty issues
and the Democrats always seem to be on the twenty
percent side, like guys pretending to be girls and getting
into the restroom with your twelve year old daughter. Okay,

(07:53):
that one's a no brainer. If I think the vast
majority of people and if this protest was all about
that issue, you would probably get a very a very
insignificant number of people showing up. But this is this
is an ill defined moment of anger that's going on
that's taking place on Saturday, and a disturbing element is

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whether or not, like you know, the George Floyd protests,
the b LM protests, the anti file protests, and there's
gonna be a lot of anti file folks out and
then amid this crowd, you know damn well that there
will be, and I bet there'll be a lot of masked,
black clad individuals waving their respective flags, but also throwing fireworks,
bottle rockets, smoke bombs, maybe even as happened the other

(08:35):
day driving an suv into ice agents. I suspect some
of that's gonna happen. And the reason why is there's
actually another new poll out. Not that this shocks anybody,
but a subsizable number of liberals believe it is acceptable
to break the law in the name of their political message.

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It's a survey by signal. They've done this several years
and years in a row. Forty two percent of liberals
say it is acceptable to go beyond peaceful protests, even
if it means breaking the law. The number jumps to
sixty percent of liberals under the age of thirty, So
you're young people out there, and I would say, a
pretty decent majority at sixty percent are willing to break

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the law in the name of their political objective. The
president's signal who did this poll? In the Polster? One
side of American political spectrum, whether directly engaged in behaviors
or not, now openly accepts breaking laws if it means
advancing their political agenda. Considering their justification of illegal immigration,
and instances that it is not a criminal act. If

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the act is desperate, this might not be such a surprise.
So I just have to go back to what's on
the books now. I guess they're actually angry at the
laws that are on the books, laws defining who is

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lawfully in our country and who is not. And then
there's that separate, pesky set of criminal laws independent of
one's lawful status in the country or not. If you
or I legal citizens commit a crime like, oh, I
don't know, raping a child, we're gonna end up in
prison because our criminal justice system demands it. If any

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one of the quote unquote illegal immigrants that's been picked
up by ICE, ICE doing its job and complying with
federal law regarding immigration, if they pick up somebody who
is a let's say, a child rapist like I just mentioned,
and they happen to be illegal. The remedy we've got,
and it's a quick one, is to throw them out
of the damn country and center back for wherever they came,
or pick a country randomly, which the Trump administration seems

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to do. I'm puzzled by that. Be well, how do
you pick Uganda or whatever as a country when the
person that you picked up came from pick a country, Venezuela.
But it's a quick, expedient remedy to get a dangerous
person out of our country. One they had no right
to be here in the first place, they broke the
law doing so, and then oh look long and behold
they turn out to be a moluster of children. Yeah, okay.

(11:08):
Rather than send them through the criminal justice system and
lock them up in a prison at taxpayer dollars expends,
how about we just throw them out. That's why you're protesting,
because you don't want a dangerous person picked up and

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chucked out of the country head to the streets this weekend.
I just hope it doesn't end up in violence. Although
if I was a betting man, I think you know
which direction I'm going to go on that five at
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(11:52):
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the current status of the race for city Council and mayor.

(12:14):
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Com phone calls right there if you feel free to call,
like Bobby did. Bobby, welcome back to the program. Happy Friday, eve.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
To you, Happy Thursday, my friend. Do you have any
locations or where we're supposed to have these festivals the
thing Saturday.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, according to the little map which I saw on
the reporting on this, they're pretty much literally everywhere. There're
twenty five hundred of them across the country. I suspect
your most likely destination would be something like maybe City
Hall downtown. I don't know. I honestly, Bobby. As much
as I wanted to talk about the reality of what's
going on and put in the context I did, I
wasn't interested in promoting it. So you know, it's like,

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I literally do not know where the sins I protest is,
but if I did know, part of me would be
reluctant to even say it out loud. Bobby, you plan
it on showing up.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Joe said there wasn't anything going on now Cole rain,
but since it was supposed to rain, I thought they
may have some indoor activities or something. Yeah, there's a
lot of malls that are vacant. I mean, you know,
there's space.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Available, gotta have that air conditioning, got to be in comfort,
find a controlled environment. Right.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Well, God bless them all, you know, God bless them
all Saturday, and maybe the chief ex chief. You know,
she's falling on the store for the mayor, so perhaps
it's something that she's falling on the swords.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, you go, she hasn't been fired yet, operative word yet.
Somebody's had got a roll on. They have mayor, I
have to have Purval is certainly not going to allow
his head to be the sacrificial head. Before we get
to the election. Maybe the voters will see it differently, Bobby,
what do you.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Think her tenure is the questionable?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, and going back to ken Kober's point on that
used to be that the police themselves were deciding who
their chief would be. They could choose from among their
own ranks. They are more familiar with who has the
competence to run the police department and to whom they
want to be accountable. Now, the mayor and the city
manager are alone selected, making it an extraordinary political position.

(14:52):
So you're subject to the whim of probably just one person,
the mayor or maybe the city manager, but collectively it's
supposed to be the mayor and the city manager. So yeah,
I think Ken is right on that. Maybe we go
back to the old ways. And that's actually one of
the things that's been reported. That was one of his suggestions.
Repeal issue five. So the police chief isn't under the
thumb of an elected official, he said out loud. So

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there you have it. Good to hear from me. As always, Bobby,
stay safe, have a great weekend, and enjoy the no
King's protests if you can figure out where it is.
Have to comment on this just because I and I
admit to I will call Donald Trump out when I
think he's exceeding his authority and to yesterday, he's kind
of alarming from my standpoint because I personally don't believe

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in unilateral decisions by elected officials to launch rockets and
blow people up in areas where we have no declaration
of war, in an areas where the individuals being blown
up notably, drug dealers in boats who are one thousand
miles away plus don't represent an immediate threat to the
United States of America. Yeah they got drugs, Yes they
want to bring the drugs here, but it's not an
immediate threat. Wait for the Coastguard to pick them up

(15:56):
once they're in US waters. Blah blah blah blah. Right, well,
now Donald Trump is letting it is authorized as CIA
to start carrying out strikes inside Venezuela, strikes on land
within the country done by the CIA. We don't know
what the CIA's budget is, We don't even know what
they do. We just know that that's that secret organization
behind the scenes, supposed to be looking out for our

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best interest and of course sowing the seeds of political
descent around this country, impacting elections. And of course many
people are arguing that Donald Trump is trying to kick
out Nicholas Maduro by launching these strikes against the drug boats.
Whether or not he has any success in a completely
corrupt land where you really can't vote or count on
your vote being counted properly, go ahead, draw parallels. Don't

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know if he's going to be successful, but I find
it problematic that he's kind of admitted to doing this.
He said, we had number six votes strike twenty seven
dead in little boats down by Venezuela and pursuing to
our missile strikes. Donald Trump yesterday speaking to reporters, we
are certainly looking at land now because we've got the
sea under control. We've had a couple of days now

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where there isn't a boat to be found. He was
asked about this New York Times report earlier in the
morning yesterday that said he authorized the CIA to carry
out operations inside Venezuela, including lethal operations, at least accord
to the New York Times reporting, I authorized for two reasons,

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he said. Really. Number one, they have emptied their prisons
into the United States of America. They came through the border.
No argument, I agree that happened, at least I perceive
it to have happened. Is that does that justify a
unilateral decision to blow up stuff within Venezuela, because my

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understanding he's going to blow up the drug cartel operations.
Did they facilitate the emptying out of the prisons or
would that be more of a presidential level decision? Moduro
And then he and I said, a lot of drugs
come out in from Venezuela and a lot of drugs
come in through the sea, but we're going to stop

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them by land. Also Wow, I speaking of expedient. That
may be an expedient remedy at least for the time being,
but I do not believe it is constitutional five twenty six.

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to call, like Tom and west Side Jim. I got
those guys lined up five on three seven two three
talk one with order in which they received Jim hold on, Tom,
welcome back, my friend.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Hey, good morning. So I'm the opening act for west
Side Jim.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, you beat him by about You beat him by
about thirty five seconds or so.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Right by the way, a gas price update, they're now
into thirties up here north of town.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
On the sign it's two thirty. So yeah, so we're
just yeah, Well, what we're waiting for is for the
UH all the other prices that are affected by fuel
prices to start dropping. Uh, like they went up because
of fuel prices. At least that was a contributing factor.
So we're hoping that uh pretty soon here these uh

(19:27):
retail chains and all these people dealing with the supply
chain and now that their fuel costs are coming down,
and they'll start bringing their prices down something.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
And we can only help that's the case.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
We can only hope.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
My wait for a comment was in connection with the
last time you had commented about the changing gas prices,
when they jumped fifty cents in one day, Like, well, why,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Which I know, it's it's crazy, but yeah, that's kind
of why I keep mentioning it, because I'm waiting for
the other sea to drop it usually.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Will well, it will enjoy it at last.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So I did uh listening uh to
uh to l w uh at some point yesterday on
the way home, and I heard Joe Dieters on the
on the radio, uh with his buddy Willie, and uh
that Joe Deaters made a comment you can only say
so much justice Joseph Eaters. Man, we miss him around here,

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don't we.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Uh, he made a comment that the people down he's
talking about the violence downtown and the crime and all that,
and he said, and he said, these people are not stupid.
They know what needs to be done, They're just not
willing to do it. And I think that's a very
profound statement. I think I think we can all agree
with that. That is one man's opinion. Yes, agreed. I'm

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not saying that because Joe Dieters said it is absolute fact.
But I think we can agree with you agree with that,
And you're you're, uh, who I forget who you quoted?

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Somebody said something about when the when the pain of
change is greater than the pain of saying the same.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
From the see of Jeff Ruby's restaurant.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Right, Yeah, I mean, look, we we all have decisions
to make, and we get sometimes put in a position
because of negative stuff, consequences, whatever. We got to make
a decision and something maybe we don't want to do,
we never thought we would have to do, but you know,
these these situations are staring us in the face, and
we got to do it. And you know, sometimes it

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has to be done. So uh, to uh, to follow
up yesterday's phone call, uh, and to respond to Mississippi James,
my my perspective on this. First of all, I agree
we should be considering the perspective and circumstances of people
involved in whatever's going on. If something someone you're having

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a conversation with, somebody in a story, Hey, think about
what they're going through, trying the best you can to
put your put yourself in their shoes, all that stuff.
I guess I wholeheartedly agree. But while we're considering each
other's perspective, we need to all being agreement in agreement
on the same basic set of rules. We should all

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there's some civility that we all have to maintain. That's why,
you know, the best kind of discourse is a civil discourse.
We have to stay on topic, we have to keep
our goal. We have to not go off on some
kind of a tantrum on something that has nothing to
do with what we're talking about, just to mask over
whatever it is we have said or whatever we're accused

(22:28):
of doing. And so, yeah, I would love to have
some kind of thing where we can sit down and talk.
But short of that, we have the ability to get
on here and speak our mind and give our opinions,
and we we it's great. I think it's a very
healthy thing to be able to do. And I encourage
people to listen to this and programs like this and

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so that we can hear what other people have to say.
And we've talked about this before. One of the best
parts of this is hearing other people's opinions, not just
saying what I have to say and hanging you up
and turn the radio off. But I like to hear
what other people have to say. I appreciate the responses.
Thank you very much for listening. Thank you very much
for responding. You're engaging. And that's not just Mississippi Games

(23:13):
that everybody that calls in and that listens, thank you
that you're making this is helping. This discourse is helping
somewhere somehow. It's helping. And if I can help anymore,
I would give everyone the advice don't vote Rhino and
don't vote Democrat. Have a great name.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I always have opportunity to reel it right back into
that final point. And I appreciate your comments about the show.
That's the component of the show that I enjoy so much,
because who am I a man with an opinion, a
guy with a sphincter like everybody else that it's a good
point James makes all the time, put yourself or try
to put yourself for another persons shoes, you know. And

(23:50):
as we look forward to this election in downtown Cincinnati,
I don't vote in the city. I don't live in
the city. I don't experience the situations that go on
in the city. I don't I'm not faced with the
level of crime in my neighborhood that the City of
Cincinnati residents are faced with. I certainly can try to
put myself in the position as someone who has to

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deal with that kind of thing all day long, and
the solution does seem a little obvious to me. Five
point thirty five Right now, Jim, your next West or
New Hampshire. Gary's also on the line. I got two calls.
I'm looking forward to having a conversation with a be
right back. Fifty five KARC the talk station, the talk
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station half E FRIDAYE. You gonna go directly to the phone.
It's got a few callers lined up this morning, which
I just absolutely love. Five one, three, seven, four, fifty
five eight two three Talk found five fifty on eight
and T phones West Saie Jim, appreciate the info you
passed along yesterday, which I will let you pass along
to my listening audience. We've got the first statistic from
the Board of Election, Sherry Poland, who does have a

(24:54):
lot of experience two decades worth, about what her guess
is on the voter turnout. Jim, always good to hear
from me. And how did you receive the debate last night? Welcome?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Well, first of all, I'll get the Sherry pulling out
of the way, Brian. That's an easy one. She was
predicting between twenty three and twenty six percent in the city.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Right, not the county, and you specifically counting issues you
asked her for only the city. Her projection on city numbers.
So your vote is worth a lot if you choose
to vote in the election.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Which I hope is correct. We don't want to see
this thing milk down by the Democrats and make it
like thirty five. So that's what would happen if if
we got up that high.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, well, if they you know what, Jim, if they
chose to have their no Kings nationwide progress protests on
election day and they chose the oh, I don't know,
maybe Board of elections as the venue for that, then
maybe they could get a lot more voters than they
otherwise would not to provide them.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Way be a total zoo in parking out there, and
I've got to work that day out there. I don't
want nothing to do with that. Before I get into that,
I'll make this early quick on Britney Ruby. You know,
people are making this out to be that she came
out and it's a rent issue. It's not a rent issue. No,
it's not. That's a minor issue. But she explained the

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fact that there's no security. That's sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's the beef. She said it in the statement. It
was the security at the front door. They're worried about
their employees and the town properties I think is the
name of the company that owns it that they're having
a dispute with. They were disputing over security. They won't
place the guard to the front door. They won't provide
the necessary security perceived needed by the Ruby group. So
there it is. I don't think it was over rent.

(26:37):
It was over security.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
They tried to make an issue in one of the
news stations that it was over a rent issue, but
I was in that office up there because the Republican
office was one floor up and when you took the
elevator there was absolutely no security and it was no
key card. Seemed that she was exactly right on telling this,
but their the town properties are going to come out

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and say, well, it was over a rent issue. That's
all bull So that's just And then she got into
the fact of crime and that she was downtown on
one of these happenings and that is why they're thinking
about moving. That it's a palacious office up there, and
I know Jeff Ruby doesn't want to spend the money

(27:19):
to move, but now he has to. And I'm hoping
that the restaurant isn't next, because that is the number
one restaurant in downtown Cincinnati, a bar all. So we'll
see what happens on that. Now the debate, Now, if
anybody watched that and didn't know Purvall before this, he's

(27:41):
a bully, and Corey is very statesmanlike and diplomatic, and
he got a couple of jabs in. But Corey is
not the meaning that Purvoll is and Purvoll saying Cory
this and Cory that, and he was not qualified and
he doesn't know really what he's talking about and things

(28:02):
like this. That's the Purvall. He tried to be nice,
but Purball isn't nice. He has to get his he
has to get his digs in. And if anybody didn't
see that, you should hit the DVR and you should
go back and watch that thing because it was absolutely
terrible the way he treats people. And he treated people
like that in the clerk's office. I knew people in

(28:22):
the clerk's office down and when he was there, and
he was horrible. And that's why a lot of them
either quit when they stuck it out because of the
fact of retirement. And then as soon as soon as
retirement age came up, it's kind of like a drop
with the police. They got out. And you know, I
saw the pure Ball that I know last night, and

(28:43):
Corey Uh, I thought he did a decent job. I
wish the Ruby thing would it came up when Purvall
said about the fact that business is coming downtown and
everything is jumping and everything is great and all this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Did cite did he cite any specific examples of businesses
that are coming downtown on Moss No? No, I didn't
think so. Yeah, I knew the answer to that question
for asking you.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Absolutely no, And he ain't talking about the ones that
were leaving the big corporations and so forth on his watch. Yeah,
And you know, it's just sure. He talked about the
housing coming in, and I just don't understand. We're coming
up with the fact of forty thousand housing opportunities coming
up in the next four years. Forty thousand Are you

(29:31):
kidding me?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
They can't get a lane mile get his number, They
can't get a lane mile paved. How they're gonna bill
forty thousand units? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
And then that was one of the focal points last night,
was the paving, and Corey got him on that one
where he came out and he said, well, you've had
four years to do this. Why is it during the
election year and all of a sudden you're bringing all
this up. Everybody knows that it wouldn't even have to
be explained. He's doing it because he wants votes and
he's acting like he's getting something done. No, Sunset was

(30:02):
not brought up. It would have been funny if Corey
would have said, well, you should drive up on down
Sunset Avenue and talk about it. But you know, the
one thing I want to mention about your show, Brian,
and I'll let you go. Your show is nothing like
w l W w l W. If you like to
listen to commercials and you like, you like, and this

(30:22):
is a dig on him. It is totally commercial, not free.
And sure you've got you've got bills to pay, and
you do have commercials on air. But your show, like
Tom says, it takes people, and the people to call
in keep the show rolling when you cut in w
l W IF cutting him takes three calls a day,

(30:43):
which most of the time that's a lot. That's that's
pretty much the end of it. And he's a bully.
He's just mother bunch bully as purball in it. I'm sorry,
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Listening to the show right now.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
He don't listen to anything. You don't even listen to
his own my god.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
But well, you know, I appreciate that, and I like
to just acknowledge I'm self deprecating enough to know that
you know I'm not the answer. I think I have
the right direction, and I try to explain why I
believe that, because I believe the power of your life
should be directed by you. I mean, that's why. But

(31:24):
I'm happy to provide the avenue. And that's why I
really appreciate callers calling in because you know what, you
guys may be thinking about something along a different line
than me. You're there to enlighten me or maybe bring
a topic or a point up that I haven't specifically
brought up to, you know, to Mississippi James kind of comment.
You know you didn't mention this, Well, it's because it
wasn't on my mind to mention. It's not because I
intentionally excluded something. That's what you're for, and that's why

(31:48):
God love each and every one of you. I got
the best audience in radio, there is no question about it,
and you're one of the reasons. Westside Jim Keefer and
thank you for all your little inside scoop information that
you passed along. You're my favorite little bird out in
the word, out in the world.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Last week, lastlyek Brian last week, if I can say
that was too short of an interview last night on
Channel twelve, they had to try to jam everything into
a half an hour and it just wasn't enough time.
But I understand that's prime time. So at least Corey
got out there and people got the scene that usually
to watch the news.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Check it out online. It should be really easy to find.
Appreciate your call. West Side Jim as always flying six
right now, New Hampshire. Gary your next name.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Hey, I got two things. You can in corporate some
of your products with your with your advertisement with your show.
You can always paint the capital of Columbus with some
rhino shield and if that didn't work, you could always
use O director. There you go.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I appreciate it, Jack, Gary, thanks very much, and prose
for supporting the sponsors. Jay. Thanks for calling in again.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Jay.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's always good to hear from you. Oh Jay, real quick,
you have a reading assignment, Gay, go to zero hedge
dot com. There's an article there that's we reposted from
the Epoch or Epic Times regardless by Molly Engelhardt headline
when do we truly own anything? The property tax scheme
that keeps us paying forever? I thought about you a minute.

(33:17):
I read that, so anyhow, reading assignment.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, I mean it sounds good. Hey, just want to
give you an update. We're up to seventy five billion
dollars in savings with this government shut down, and I
kind of thought about what could we do with that
money minus the twenty billion that was given to Argentina
by Trump gives us down to fifty five billion dollars saved.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
So I thought about what else could we do with
that money?

Speaker 7 (33:42):
With fifty five billion, we could actually fund the Department
of Education for three months, and the twenty billion that
was given to Argentina that could actually fund one year
of Ohio Medicaid fraud.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So it's you know, you put.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
It in that perspective, A fifty billion dollars would only
fund one Department of Education for three months. So people
need to think about we could go back in time.
Would you rather have the government fully funded and operational
for these past two weeks with an approble rating of
like twenty seven percent? Or would you rather have seventy

(34:20):
five billion dollars going towards the national debt? We don't
need more government. Nobody's suffering, everybody relaxed. And to your point,
why back to property tax? What does this government ever do?
Why are we paying rent to somebody who never took
any risk, didn't build your house, didn't develop your property,

(34:41):
doesn't have any risk or a dime invested. And make
no mistake, that's your landlord that you're going to continue
to pay till the day you die for having done zero.
So we'll get out before the end of this month
is when over the petitions have to be in. So
if you haven't done it yet, get moving. Take some
neighbors with you. I finally got moving. I think I

(35:01):
got fifteen to twenty signatures just by walking around the
neighborhood when I finally decided times up. Time to take
time to get moving.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So people aren't aware.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So hurry up, get busy. Whatever you do.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Don't vote Rhino, don't vote Democrat. Have a good day, Bryan.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Thanks Jay, and another reading assignment for everybody with regard
to the government shutdown today article by Daniel Huff and
the opinion segment of the Wall Street Journal. Government shutdown No.
An efficiency audit based on data from past closing is
roughly twenty five percent of the federal workforce, of course,
could be permanently cut. Good number crunching on that one,
looking at pass shutdowns, a number of people who lost

(35:37):
their jobs, who were furloughed, and really the impact on
that at least in so far as how you and
I experienced it. And I am with Dan that. Yeah,
I do believe twenty five percent of the work or
course could be permanently cut, resulting in a significant decrease
in our spending in government. Say okay with me, stick around.
Dan Hill's former FOP chief, going to be talking about.

(35:58):
Is the PO Chiefsa Thigi got to be forced to
resign and get some details on that. Top of the
Air News followed by Dan Hills at six point thirty,
and Congressman Warren Davidson returned at seven oh five. Other
guests including Andre Ewing, Liz Keating, and Jay Ratliffe on
the program as well this morning. I hope you can
stick around. It'll be right back. Today's tough headlines coming up.
You're a thick about Karrose de Talk Station Brian Thomas

(36:19):
right now. Wish in every body happy. Thursday's last Friday
Eve looking forward to the bottom of the hour, Dan Hills,
former FOP president, are the outstanding swirling controversy about police
chief threes A Thiji being hauled into the Principal's office yesterday.
City Manager Cheryl Lung said that yes, the chief was
asked to return to the city immediately to immediately address
departmental matters, but they did not fire her, although it

(36:43):
does appear as if they're heading in that direction, blaming
the chief of police for perhaps failures of the administration.
Congressman Warren Davidson in one hour on the shutdown the
Israelimas peace deal, question mark peace deal. I know things
that are not going real smoothly within Gaza. We'll get
to Congressman Davidson in an hour, follow by Andre you
and Andre. Brother Dre Hurst Breaker's three hundred an outspoken

(37:07):
observer of the craziness going on in downtown Cincinnati. I
strongly encourage you to follow Brother Drag on Facebook. He's
going to be back at seven point thirty and Dre,
if you're out there listening. Man, Sorry, I couldn't get
back to your phone call last night, but I was
really excited to learn you're going to be on this
show today when I woke up this morning. Liz Keating
running for sin A City Council. How's a campaign going?

(37:27):
Get her thoughts on the, of course, local topics, including
her position on the police chief. Jay Ratliffe, iHeart media
aviation expert every Thursday at eight thirty today, not deviating
from the norm. Looking forward to Jay as I always do,
and I always love talking to former Vice mayor of
the City of Cincinnati running for Cincinna City Council. You
have a choice. Let's go a different direction. Let's vote

(37:49):
smith Aman back into office. Welcome Christopher Smithman. It's a
pleasure hearing from you this morning.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hey, thank you, Brian. I just want to spend a
few minutes kind of weighing in, and I might have
a different perspective than others about what I see happening.
I see the police chief being used as a scapegoat
right before an election, and it's really troublesome to me.

(38:18):
And I've been talking about issue five and what I
think the shortcomings are with issue five.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
All right, real quick, Chris, Christopher, remind my listeners what
issue five is. This came up in our conversation I
had with Ken Kober earlier, and I had forgotten the
way things used to be versus how they are now,
which means the I guess the mayor and the city
manager are solely responsible for determining who the police chief is,
selecting that person and firing the chief.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
That's correct, And what used to happen is you know
when striker chief Striker was the last chief under the
old system, which had its pluses and minuses, But the
reality was you knew who the police chief was, and
the police chief made the decisions, the best decisions for

(39:08):
the department, and without fear of termination. And so what's
happening now is this to me is like the loophole
here that is personality driven. The issue five is as
good as the mayor is and as good as the
city manager is. And so what I see here now,
and I'm letting you know publicly that I don't think

(39:30):
the police chief nor the fire chief should be terminated
without the consent of city council. I think seven members
of council should have to weigh in on the termination
of what I would say the most important job, our
fire chief and our police chief. And so what you
see here is right before an election, a mayor in

(39:53):
panic mode, a mayor trying to figure out what he
needs to do politically and willing to destroy somebody else's career. Now,
let's give a context here, right, Well, first, Fiji Chiefiji
has given a life to the Cincinnati Police Department, and

(40:14):
she is from the Nevill family. She's a Neville, and
the Nevill family has given so much as police officers
to the city of Cincinnati. So let's make sure that
we put her in the right context and that we
at least what I want to do is if she
decides to leave, resign, or she's fired, that is done

(40:35):
with dignity. All of this is not on her, because
what I've seen the mayor do is send all kinds
of different messages. One of those that's the hiring of
Irish Rollie in this consultant position, and nobody quite knows
what she's doing and what kind of pressure she's putting
on the chief. What we do know is that the

(40:55):
city manager has really empowered her in a way that
I've never seen seen before. We have a Chair of
Law in Public Safety. That's Scottie Johnson. He's elected, he goes,
his name is on the ballot. That's the person that
is providing the civilian oversight, not Irish Rolely, a consultant.
And it seems like the lines are being blurred here

(41:17):
for me, and I think they were blurred for the
chiefs on who is actually who should she be listening
to and what is the direction now ultimately to the public,
our our our police chief is ultimately responsible for those decisions.
I just want everybody to know that this is part
of the chaos that I think is a problem, because

(41:40):
if the police chief had to come before council right now,
I don't know if they could get seven votes to
fire her, and definitely fire her right before an election
on November fourth. That's the rub for me. It's the
it's the timing of this public it's the time timing
of it, Brian Thomas, that we should all be concerned about.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well, and I'm glad you brought up that the full
council having a say in this point, because I was
going to counter your suggestion. How can we expect things
to be different if all the counselor are the same party.
You've got, you know, a Democrat mayor and who I
presume has a tremendous amount of sway over the individual
Democrat council members. How much maybe that would come down

(42:26):
to how they would ultimately vote on firing or not
firing the police chief. But as it is right now,
I think they probably would all vote if the mayor
wanted to fire the chief and city manager wanted to
fire the chief, they probably would all follow lead and
do so along the same lines.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Well, I think you are. You think you're right about that.
But here's the difference. You've got the FLP President Kober
who's coming on, and he has people that they have supported,
they've endorsed. So I would think that the FLP would
be able to go to those members of council and say, listen,
here are our thoughts on what you should do, and

(43:05):
those things would be taken under consideration. They wouldn't be
done outside of the electeds, who the people have put
there to provide oversight for police and fire. I just
think there should be an extra step here, and particularly
Brian the timing of this. We had a shooting off
Fountain Square, we had a shooting on Fountain Square. We've

(43:29):
had shooting in Westwood, all over the city, you know.
And the mayor is under tremendous pressure here because he
didn't have a plan at the beginning of the summer.
I've had many opportunities to talk to the Governor's office
about when they came and made the first offer, which
was somewhere in May of this year, and the mayor

(43:53):
continue to turn down those offers from the governor.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So he has played a role. He has made the decision.
Why is the Governor's office only doing two times a month?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Now it's four now apparently the signal ninety nine and
I again recommend people follow Singaret ninety nine on Facebook.
She does a great job, but pointed out, well, I
guess the mayor has just recently decided we're going to
take four days to deal with a twenty four hour days,
seven day week problem.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm trying, I'm trying not to laugh at such a
serious matter, but it's it's crazy that you would think
that the governor is saying, listen, we'll do whatever we
can to help you, and the mayor saying I'll only
accept four times. But prior to that it was only
two times a month. The point that I'm trying to

(44:44):
make here is that members of council who are up
for reelection, this mayor who is up for reelection, right,
they are as responsible for where we are with crime
in our fifty two neighborhoods. We just heard one of
the biggest restaurants, right signal. I think he's signaling Jeff

(45:06):
Ruby saying listen, I'm moving my catering part on Seventh
Street somewhere else. Now, they made a nice flowery statement.
But at the end of the day, everybody understands that
they're concerned about their employees, their cars coming in and
out of that location we had with the taste of
Belgium in OTR. They said they were moving, but they

(45:29):
gave some flowery you know, pressure release and excuses why
they were leaving. At the end of the day, it's
coming down to crime. People are concerned about their cars,
their well being, their quality of life as they are
interacting in the downtown area. And you and I and
so many people have been raising concerns about the escalation

(45:51):
of this. This mayor had said it's his perception, it's
our perception that crime is down. Nobody believes that, Brian
Tomas and so in the If it's our perception, meaning
if he's saying crime is down, think about what I'm
about to say here. You're saying the chief is doing
a good job. That's been your message to the entire campaign,

(46:12):
Then why are you pushing to fire the police chief. Listen,
I can end on that note, Yes you can. If
that's his narrative that hey man, this police chief has
been doing a great job, that crime is down. It
is all of our perception right, not our reality. Then

(46:33):
please explain to me why in the world would there
be a need to fire the police chief.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Drop the mic right there. This is a profound.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, this is a scapegoat from this mayor to try
to change the narrative that he's doing something or that
this counsel is doing something. And all I will tell
all all of our fifty two neighborhoods, we have an
opportunity to do something different. You're the jury out there.
You have to make the decision, and I would say,
elects four or five new members of council that can

(47:12):
bring balance to this city and can move the needle
in the area of safety and making sure that we
are able to bring crime down with a plan. And
it includes accepting help from our partners like the governor
or the sheriff or whomever would like to weigh in
out in there. Brian, thank you so much. I don't

(47:34):
put this all at the head of this chief. I
think it's easy to do that. If she does leave
the position, and she's hearing my voice right now, I
want her to know that she's done a great service
to the city of Cincinnati, just like Chief Washington did.
They fired Chief Washington. Most people don't know the fire

(47:54):
chief was fired and that he has won his lawsuit.
He's won the appeal.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
He may be back. I gotta run, Christopher or out
of time man, God bless you, my friend. Six seventeen
vote Smithman. Galaxy Concrete Coding is the de talk station
if you have KCD talk station looking forward to Dan
Hill's former FOP president with his former FOP president had

(48:20):
On is a chief being forced to resign, swirling rumors
about that she was called back from her out of
town meeting, and so far the comments from the mayor's
office are that know she's not being fired, city managers
saying that, but does look like she's on thin ice.
And I've been singing the praises of the signal ninety nine.
Recommend you follow her on Facebook. And she gave the
recitation of this into very clear summary of where we

(48:41):
were going back to Christopher Smitheman's comments earlier in the
year to where we are now, which seems to be
a mayor in desperation mode. She's right, the people of
since I deserve the truth, not the political theater that
has defined city halls. Handling a violent crime in downtown
as well as all over the city. In July, when
casts are up to a main national news Mayor and
his allies dismissed the outrageous hysteria. They stood before the

(49:03):
cameras clutching their pearls, insisting that the city of Cincinnati
was safe, while footage of assaults, open air fights, and
chaos told a very different story. Governor Mike Dewaine extended
an unprecedented offer the full resources of the state to
help restore order, highway patrol, investigative support, technology assets, tools
that could have given the CPD the breathing room it
desperately needed. Instead of welcoming that help, city leaders arrogantly

(49:28):
declined it. They wanted to protect their political narrative, not
their citizens. By August, the pressure is too heavy to ignore,
the administration quietly allowed a high state patrol to handle
traffic enforcement, claiming it would free CPD to answer critical calls.
It sounded like progress, but it was a partial, face
saving compromise. The quote full package close quote was still

(49:49):
off the table because it would expose the depth of
the crisis the city has worked so hard to downplay.
In September, they relented again. Finally, announcing they would accept
the governor help. What they didn't tell you was it
really for two days a month, two Then this month
they stretched it to four, four days out of thirty
four days to fight a twenty four to seven problem.

(50:10):
Mayor stated that over the exaggerated violence in our city
was more of a perception than a reality. Even worse,
the mayor and city Council forced the Governor's office, you're
gonna love this one. I did not know this, and
I trust Signal ninety nine at her words, forced the
Governor's office and multiple state agencies to sit through a

(50:33):
lecture from Iris Rowley, the self appointed authority on the
Collaborative Agreement Roly, who is not the director of the
Agreement because there is no director, dictated what troopers and
agents could and could not do in Cincinnati as if
she held legal jurisdiction over them. The Governor's office, trying
to help, was forced to tolerate this circus to avoid
political backlash from city Hall. It was humiliating, not for them,

(50:57):
but for us, for this city. Has now turned to
his next political scapegoat Police Chief Teresa Thiji, after being
ordered to juggle impossible directives appease political activists, keep crime's
stats control, and protect confidence amid chaos. The chief is
being positioned for sacrifice. It's the same cynical script blame

(51:17):
the police when the politics collapse. What City Cincinnati is
witnessing isn't leadership, its manipulation. Public safety is being bartered
for headlines. The mayor's office continues to mislead the public,
minimize the scale of the state's assistance, and allow unelected
consultants to hold sway over law enforcement. The collaborative Agreement
was never meant to become a political weapon or a

(51:39):
personal platform for self promotion. Yet here we are watching
a city and crisis defer to a consultant while the
governor's troopers stand down because Iris Raley said so. Four
days of help per month isn't a plan, it's a
pr stunt. And as the mayor scrambles to protect his
re election campaign by growing Chiefdiji under the bus, one

(52:01):
truth remains clear. The violence continues, the spin intensifies, and
the people of Cincinnati are left to fend for themselves
while City Hall hides yo itence talking points. Signal ninety
nine concludes vote this mayor and city council out of
office next month, and the rest of the trash will
take care of itself, will take itself out. We can
start to heal as a city, clean up our city

(52:22):
and its neighborhoods, utilize the federal courts to start holding
these violent criminals accountable, since so many of our own
county judges will not. It's just time. That's the kind
of thing you get from her all the time. So
if you're out there, signal I appreciate your words. I
appreciate you standing on top of things. You are a
refreshing voice out there. Stick around. We're gonna hear me.

(52:42):
Fridaye to you. Starting off with the guests right now,
although I always consider callers guests as well. You're welcome
to call, but not right now because Dan Hills returns
former FOP president Dan Hills, putting his old FOP kind
of hat back on and giving us an analysis of
the lay of the landscape of the since a police
department relative to law enforcement downtown and will Chief Fiji
be fired? Sure sounded like it was going to happen yesterday.

(53:05):
Welcome back, Dan Hills. It's great having you on the show.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
All Brian. It's good to be back. I hope you're well.
Hope your health as well.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, I'm doing really well. I appreciate you asking about that.
Thank you very much. Now, yes, sure, it looked like
calling Fiji back into town from her police chief conference
looked like the writing was on the wall, although there
was what I would call backpedaling if they had made
the decision to fire her. It has not happened yet,
But do you get the impression that Fiji's on thin

(53:34):
ice and it's just the shoe just hasn't dropped yet.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Yeah, I mean that's obviously the thing bringing her back
from Denver, which you know, in something I have commentary
rights here.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You know, I.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Don't think going out of town to a chief conference
during this time of increased scrutiny and the violence on
the streets and all, that thing was probably the best
the best picture to present of the police department or
her leadership.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Well, better that than whale watching while the city burns.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
And it was I don't think it was a good idea,
but yeah, I didn't know where you were going to go.
If you're just transk me my opinion of the chiefs.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Or well, that's a separate here.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
You're the host.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I no, no, no. I think that's a completely separate issue,
and it's a worthy issue to address because you know,
you still stay in touch with active members since a
law enforcement I bet you have a pretty good idea
about their perception of whether Police Chief three Strategi's doing
a good job or not. I've had people tell me
one way or another, and I have my own perceptions
along those lines. But that's why we have you on
the show. So how she fares among the ranks is

(54:43):
one thing. And if we had the old system before this,
you know, issue five thing, the rank and file would
decide whether or not they wanted to cling to her
correct yes, And I.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
You know, issue five is the discussion of its own
And I was. I was in the Christopher Smootherman on there,
and let's hope to god he gets elected and Steve
Gooden gets elected and there is some change and some
change of thought down at city Hall. But that's what
I guess I wanted to say about the chief in
my opinion, that she's more of a symptom of a

(55:16):
problem in a sense than the problem. I think she's
done a better job than I expected. I don't make
any secrets about it. I was not supporting her. I
was still the president when she got appointed. I was
pulling for Lisa Davis. And I was only pulling for
Lisa Davis because I was listening. I want to say only,
but I was mostly pulling for Lisa Davis because that's

(55:36):
what my cops are telling me. So it was like,
this is an easy one.

Speaker 8 (55:39):
I got all these cops calling me and saying, yeah,
can you get can you get anything done? And I
remember being disappointed in city at City Hall, namely Cheryl Long,
because she went on this last second tour of talking
to the cops when I knew she had already decided.
I had a good source inside city Hall that said
she'd ready to, but then she heard the controversy that

(56:02):
was out there. I was putting it out there that
the cops far preferred Lisa Davis, who went on to
UH to be the chief in Austin, Texas. But just
so I'm not here, you know, celebrating this trouble rating.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
I think that.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
Terry has done a better job than what I had expected.
Jansom downside, I guess anybody would. And and and it's
easy to sit outside and be a critic and throw darts.
But you know again, I think the reason she got
the job as part of the the symptom of the disease,
and and that is you're far left activism within city

(56:45):
Hall to the point where they hire somebody like Irish Rolli,
which we could talk about.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
We will rest the show.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
Right well, so you know, and so you hire somebody
like uh Terry tij who had gone in there and
willing to it down and and and play with Iris Roly.
Can you imagine uh uh, back in the day you
mentioned Striker or Smitherman mentioned Striker. That's the last guy

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in their old system. Would he have would he have
paid attention to her or cared what she said? Ever
only to criticize her is the only time he would
have spoke up in his mind. And even under their
new system of hiring and and and and keeping chiefs.
Can you imagine if James.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Craig would have had a deal of Iris Rolely, you
would have he would have come out publicly and and
uh and condemned her for the dingaling that she is.
So you know, you put somebody into place, and part
of her marching orders and part of what I assume
I said, I don't know this for a fact.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
Part of what she agreed to to to get the
appointment was that she would she would play along with
Iris and all that silliness that goes on with that.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
So you're illustrating the political reality that that job became.
Once the city manager and the mayor have the sole
power to hire and fire, then they really are at
the whim of the directive of the city manager and mayor.
If you don't follow my directive, you're going to lose
your job. So's hold. I'm just going to stop there.
That's my thought. We'll let you respond and we will
bring up virus roll among other topics with Dan Hill's

(58:12):
former FOP president right lead Talk Station six on a
Thursday one time. That's with former FOP president Dan Hill
talking about the situation going in downtown Cincat he looks
like the chief TG's job, me Figi's job may be
on the line, sort of speculation, wondering about back and forth.
Of course, exclusive control over her position held by Mayor

(58:32):
Aftab Purvol and Sherry Long didn't used to be that way,
but now we have the involvement. And you mentioned Iris
Roli before, and I wanted to see if you have
confirmation on something I read from our friend Signal ninety nine.
I think she is at least a former, if not current,
police officer, but she's always standing up on these issues,
So follow her on Facebook. She said, with regard to

(58:52):
the Governor's office and him providing the state agency resources,
that Mayor aftab Purvol took a little bit of she
gave them a lecture, and I just I can read
the quote here even worst Mayrin City Council force the
Governor's office, multiple state agencies to sit through a lecture
from Iris Rowley fast forward a little bit, not the
director of the collaborative agreement because there isn't one, but

(59:14):
dictated to the troopers what the agents could and could
not do in the city of Cincinnati. Did she really
do that?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Did she?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Did she speak to all the officers that were coming
in from the from the state.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
You know, I don't have confirmation of that, And that
might be a little bit of the difference between me
and ninety nine. I think that we comment on a
lot of the same things, and where you obviously have
the same political feelings as those she's got.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Right now at this stage of my life. She's got
more sources than I do, and she's definitely working at
her page and stuff harder than I work mine. But
I'll say this, it sounds likely to me because that's
the way that things work in the city, which brings
me around full circle to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Where do you go next?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
And I think it's hear Cobra if he was on this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Morning, but I did.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
I did read this statement that they put out, uh
saying that you know that the police chief isn't the problem,
which is kind of what I'm doubling down on. But
but my thing is, where do you go next? How
can you get a quality person in here to be
the police chief when you still have Irish Rolie on
your payroll? And they they I think they actually believe

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that Irish Roly has.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Like a.

Speaker 8 (01:00:31):
Riot button in her den or something that she can
push a button and cause a riot, and that's why
they bow to her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
And I don't think she has that much power. I
think the only power she has is the power they
give her. So I mean, it's it's insanity on.

Speaker 8 (01:00:44):
Top of insanity. You you have a law and order problem,
so you hire somebody that is an anti law person
to go up to go out and and rile up
the masses from time to time. And it's it's almost
like an alternate reality. It's hard to believe that the
city does that, that they hire this lady and that

(01:01:04):
you know, the only reason that I think they could
is because again they think that she has the power
to uh let loose uh you know, all the all
the use and cause and cause some sort of promotion.
And I don't think I don't think that she has
that power. So yes, I can see her speaking to
the troopers and stuff. Enough I was the troopers or

(01:01:25):
the commander that came off the troopers, I would I
would get all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
My people up and say, let's go. We listen to
this this malarkey. We're down here to help the city
with a crime problem. Not listen, uh, not listen to her.
So that's the that's the back to the symptom rather
than the disease. They they they they only are going
to appoint somebody. And I think that's part of what
cover statement that I want to double down on us

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is the chief isn't the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I can, like I said, I can sit there and
nitpick a couple of things, and I could also compliment
a couple of things, but that the problem started because
I think she agreed to be their yes person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Right, noll okay, Okay. Then she got the job for
agreeing to be a yes person for a woke pretty
much anti police administration, a rethink the police administration, or
a defund the police administration. I think iris Roli was
part of that entire movement. So you, I think in
defending your you're also pointing out a criticism. A strong

(01:02:27):
chief who knows how to conduct law enforcement, how to
manage police resources, would stand in defiance to a directive
that was counter to what her perception of proper law
enforcement is. Okay, Yeah, I was appointed by the city
manager and mayor. I know they want to go this direction,
but I think it's bad for the city for the
following reasons. She runs the risk of losing your job
for you know, rejecting something that they told her. But

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it would show that she is independent and of thought,
of mind, and independent of you know, the direction the
police need to go. So I think that's true. She's
not She's not She's not she's not independent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I think she was Ryl Long's girl from the get go.
I mean like I was pulling for Lisa Davis, somebody
that I don't necessarily hang out with politically, shall I
say she is a friend and I and I thought
she was a better natural leader. And you know that's
and and again I think I think Terry is a

(01:03:24):
nice person. I think she's very smart and qualified, but
she doesn't have that whatever it is that that that
certain leaders have that get people to fall where I
thought Lisa had more of that. Lisa politically and I
are are are our world's apart. But I just thought
that she she would be more of that natural leader.

(01:03:44):
And I also think Lisa has stood up to him
on some different things that made her not not their pick.
And so until you fix the system, and this is
where you know, like I said, double amount of look
over said with issue five, and mister Spinderman said, until
double down on the system changed the system, then then
then nothing's going to get better. And I don't think

(01:04:06):
you're going to get anybody of any quality, at least
not from outside of the agency to come in and
an inside I don't know either if they're going to
get somebody that's very interested in this, because you you
either have to compromise yourself or risk risk risk risk,
what is might might or likely happened to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Terry something that this issue five created. It highly politicized
the job and tied the hands of the police chief
in the city of Cincinnati. Ken, let's stop and we'll
bring you back and get a couple of final words
on the Dan. I'm sorry, I was thinking that I
was looking up my interview with uh with Ken was
on the fourteenth. You can go to fifty five KRC

(01:04:49):
dot com check on the podcast that I was searching
for that since you brought him up in my conversation earlier.
In this week one more with KRCB Talk Stations, he
rid a prying with Thomas with FAP former FFP president
Dan Hills. Dan, obviously, I think everyone can. Everyone can
all political stripes can agree that may have to have
pur Ball in a reactive mode. Wasn't out getting in

(01:05:13):
front of crime issues. Crimes, I guess has started building.
We've got a societal breakdown problem, regardless of the genesis
of it. His answer to it has been only to
recently create and enforce the curfew. Now he's extended the
hours of the curfew, but the curfew, it is what
it is it's only a forced in certain neighborhoods, And

(01:05:33):
I kind of scratched my head and wonder about it.
There's fifty two neighborhoods in the city. What about the
other neighborhoods where the curfew doesn't exist. I know they
have crime problems there, but also the idea of putting
SWAT and other police resources on Fountain Square at least
at a larger presence until ten pm, I thought all
the crap hit the fan. I know it happens during

(01:05:55):
the day, but a lot of the criminal activity takes
place after ten pm. So I just wanted your reaction
to his most recent reactive efforts to deal with crime.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
But you know, you just you just sat right there.
Reacting is never as good as being proactive, you know.
But also I'm gonna I'm going to say the same
thing you've kind of said too, that the country and
the big parts of the community are in a speech, spiritual,
and cultural crisis. I mean, that's that's beyond the mayor's control,

(01:06:27):
the chiefs control, and everybody else. It's and and then
the next step down is the state doesn't have enough
prison space for all the thuggery that needs to go
to jail and stay in jail. And I don't know,
if you know, taxpayers up here in Moren County and
everybody else are necessarily going to want end on what
it would take to house all the bad guys that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
We have in this state. And so this, you know,
there's there's a problem there. The county judges, Oh my gosh,
you'd covered that all the time, and ninety you talked
about ninety nine. She likes to she likes to bring
up in detail the insanity that you have accounting judges.
So you have all that, and then so what do
you do.

Speaker 8 (01:07:05):
You get reactive because there's stuff beyond your control and
like to swat the CDR T stuff. All that is
doing is Robin Peter to pay Paul. You know, most
of our SWAT members are CDR Team members. They're all
in different assignments, and a whole lot of those assignments
are patrol people and districts two, three, and four, And
so now you're you're bringing them down. Well that you

(01:07:29):
can't be two places at one time, right, and you
can only work so much over time and still be effective.
So while I agree, if I was, if I was
the chief or if Joe Strucker was the chief and
I was advising because I don't want to be your chief,
But if.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I were there, I understand wanting to have those central
business districts feel and be one hundred percent safe. And
the best way you can do that is to occupy
with an occupy an army.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
If you would.

Speaker 8 (01:08:00):
Back to the one hundred and fifty to two hundred
cops that were short, maybe we even need to reconsider
the complement of cops. But that takes us back to
who wants.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
To come work here.

Speaker 8 (01:08:09):
It's been harder to get people to come to a
police department a city that hires Irish rolling. And one
of my favorite topics in my years there the CCA,
which is an anti police organization. So we're paying, we're
paying tax dollars to have people that go out there
and handicap the police department. I don't know how many
times I can use the word insane in a single

(01:08:32):
guest appearance on your show, Brian to where you get tire,
you got to come up, you got to come up
with some different terms there, Dan, But it's insane. I
mean it's insane that to have the CCA and have
it operate like it does. It's insane to have Irish
Roly and have her on the payroll, and so then
you end up getting reactive and doing stuff like working

(01:08:52):
people alf to death to have presence in your central
business district that you should have anyway, And if you
had the proper number of cops. What's that proper number,
I don't know, I would I would say, you know,
it might be approaching like fourteen hundred cops or something
that you would like to have in a city this
size with the crime problems that it has and the

(01:09:14):
people that come into here for business and entertainment. So
you can't just go, oh, look, you know, we're about
the same size as you know, Salt Lake City or whatever.
I don't know, any think about the size of the
Salt Lake City if they have a totally different demographic
and crime problem and don't have professional teams and all
the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
We need more cops.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
We can't control the spiritual and cultural crisis that's in
this country and in our communities. We can't control what's
going on as a state. The one thing we can
do is we can have more cops. And that's not
the chief problem, at least not alone. The city halls
problem that they haven't gone out there and been the

(01:09:58):
city that people want to come and work for and
then go and get the people that you need to
have that presence to do the best you can under
really bad circumstances here in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
NOP been complaining about the lack of police office for
a long time. Pervoll even said he once to increase
the compliment. But the big hurdle here is getting the
bodies to apply. Whether they're going through an academy class
from start or they're lateral hire. You got to have
well the dangling carrots have incentive to front officer want
to move over here into the city of Cincinnati, and
you pointed out a number of problems and challenges we

(01:10:30):
all face in that regard. I certainly appreciate Dan Hillsey
coming on the program today. It's been a great conversation.
Keep up the great work, and I knew you and
i'd be talking again soon. I hope take care of
my friend. Looking forward to it, Brian take care five
six fifty six fifty five Kara City Toxication Congressman Warren

(01:10:50):
seven oh six A bitch Above KRCD Talk station appreciate
you tuning at the fifty five Parsee Morning Show, and
I'm glad you're here because listening right now because I
have Congressman Warren Davidson rich and in the program. Got
some issues to go over him, don't we. Congressman Davidson,
welcome back, my friend. It's a pleasure having you on
this show.

Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
Always an honor, and there's plenty going on. Nice to
talk with you, Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
So you're still on recess.

Speaker 10 (01:11:11):
Correct, Well, you know it's hard to call it that.
It's a shutdown, So you know, we're just trying to
make lemonade out of the lemons that Democrats are handing
out here. Look, how did we get here? Look, Republicans said, Look,
we haven't agreed to fund the government the way that
we want to as the majority party. So let's just

(01:11:33):
call a truce and we'll pass a continuing resolution the
funds of the government at status quo levels, which is
the same thing that Democrats voted for when they had
the majority in the Senate and controlled the White House.
And it's the same thing they voted for in March
to keep the government funded for now. So we haven't
passed a true Republican funding priority right now, we did

(01:11:53):
change mandatory spending, and we did, you know, do recisions,
and that's part of what's in their build. They want
to undo the things that we did with our majority,
and then they want to double down and add new
spending stuff that they added when they were in the
majority but got no Republican votes. And as a condition
of opening the government, they were one and a half
trillion dollars worth of funding priorities, and they were kind

(01:12:14):
of enough to list it out in writing. I mean,
some of the stuff's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Well, I couldn't agree with you more. That's the setup
for the shutdown, and I you know, ownership of the shutdown.
I hate this argument who gets blamed for it among
the American people. But let me just this. You mentioned
we can turn lemonade out of the lemons that were
dealt with here, and one of those things might be
firing a bunch of people. And so I have to
ask you this because it was just the other day

(01:12:39):
that a federal judge put an injunction on holding these firings,
granting a temporary straining order blocking the job cuts, saying
that the judge herself believes the ad of evidence would
ultimately show that the cuts are illegal and in access
of Donald Trump's authority. So I'm thinking about that, under
what circumstance can one of these people be fired? Is
it always for cause? Or here's a better question. I

(01:13:03):
look and I see Nessley is slashing sixteen thousand jobs
private company. They're slashing it in order to bring about
greater efficiency and greater profit. If Donald Trump does that,
because we have a government that is way too damn big,
is it a political decision to right size the government
get rid of the excess the phrase of the doubling

(01:13:24):
down of efforts by various different agencies within the government
that all seem to be working toward the same goal.
Can't this be used as an opportunity to streamline the
government for the benefit of the American taxpayer. That's not
a political motivation. It's a financial motivation, is it not?

Speaker 10 (01:13:42):
Yeah, and look fair enough. You know, Democrats might feel
like an agency that we feel is is it serving
its purpose? They might agree that. They might think, oh,
this is doing great things. You know, we created this
back in the thirties when FDR was president, and so
it must always exist. And it's like having a starting pitch.
Sure that Okay, you've done a nice job, but we're

(01:14:02):
going down to the bullpen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
You know, congrats.

Speaker 10 (01:14:05):
You don't have to be mean about it and say, hey,
thanks for your service, but it's time to move on.
And that's the kind of thing that we have with
a lot of our government structures, things that have served
their purpose and aren't doing it well. I mean, one
example is the United Nations. You know, they were created
in the wake of World War two to promote peace.
They don't do a good job of promoting peace. We're

(01:14:25):
funding them within the borders of our own country, and
what we find they're doing with some of the money
is giving money to fuel this invasion of our country
of illegals. Now they want to put on a carbon tax,
all kinds of crazy stuff that they're doing to undermine
our own sovereignty. You look at the European Union, that
was also a vision to kind of create peace amongst

(01:14:46):
the European countries. They're facilitating an invasion of Europe of
all these you know migrants, and a lot of them
are from Muslim countries. You know that none of these
guys migrate to Muslim countries. They're not like flooding Saudi Arabia.
They're flooding Europe. And look, Europe can do what they
want to with Europe, but they're asking us to pull
security for them with NATO, So we're pouring all of

(01:15:08):
our dollars over there. And meanwhile, you've got people leaving
the United Kingdom, leaving France, leaving Germany, going to places
like Hungary to claim asylum so they won't get put
in jail for posting a meme. I mean, it's crazy
world that we're in right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
It is, and you know, to that point, in a
variety of other points, Europe has drifted into something that
we normally reject politically, socialism, you know, at the wide
open borders, the disruption of cultural norms and societal norms,
all that. I guess part of me wants to know
why we still consider them allies to a certain degree.

(01:15:43):
I mean, we're funding their police force. In essence, our
American military has provide them defense now since World War Two.
Donald Trump's taking great steps to force them to actually
protect and defend themselves. Help me, help you, basically, says
Donald Trump. So I guess this connection with with Western Europe,
I don't really think it is what it used to be.

(01:16:05):
Congressman Davidson, Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 10 (01:16:08):
I mean, we used to have bipartisan kind of view
of foreign affairs a lot of times in the country.
But now Democrats that Democrats are essentially the leadership of
the European Union. I mean, they have the same objectives
and they want to do to America what they're doing
to Europe. In California, I mean, Gavin Newsom wants to
be our next president, and you're looking at let's check

(01:16:28):
the results here, buddy. No, you've wrecked your country, You've
wrecked your state. We certainly don't want you to come
do that to America and stay the heck out of Ohio. So,
I mean, this is the kind of thing, and it's
all in their list. I mean, if you look at
the funding that Chuck Schumer lists out to say hey,
we want one and a half trillion dollars of new

(01:16:49):
spending or restored spending, they're basically saying, hey, we want
to keep giving health care to illegals. We want to
take the fifty billion dollar fund that Republicans gave to
rural hospitals, and we want to turn that off. We'll
think of the crazy thing there. We're going to take
your money and give it to illegal aliens. And then
we have rural hospitals and you know, vast parts of

(01:17:11):
America that okay, not the heaviest population, you're going to
take that money and give even more of it to illegals.
I mean, some of the stuff that they're talking about
with healthcare that they want to do aside from the
illegals is really COVID plus ups. We gave we had
a pandemic, we plused up money for COVID, right, And
they're like, oh, well you can't turn that off. Well,

(01:17:33):
pandemics over, why wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (01:17:35):
We turn it off?

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Well, and that bill that had the expiration data and
it was written by the Democrat's own hand, they're the
ones that put the cutoff data in there. They're the
ones that voted for that, and lo and behold, the
date's coming. And so they want to extend it. Like
every other government program, once it's alive and in operation,
it can never ever go away. That's their position on
these tax credits.

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
Yeah, which brings us back to Trump's and eliminated business.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:18:00):
Hey, we said keep the government open, you're not keeping
it open, we get a certain amount of cash in
the vaults, so we're gonna make sure we do things
like pay our troops. We're going to operate the Fund
for Women and Infant Children, you know, the Wick program
out there that gives baby formula and diapers to new
mothers that are needy. And Democrats are threatening to sue

(01:18:22):
the Trump administration. Thus the judge you're referencing to say, well,
you can't do that. It's not legal for you to
fund the troops. It's not legal for you to give
money to needy mothers. I think how far off course
Democrats are with where they're at. They're like, well, if.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Trump's for it, it must be bad.

Speaker 10 (01:18:37):
You're like, you guys need to pull up and check
what you're doing here. And they're just way at a sink.
And I think eventually they're gonna get pressure from the
public to say knock it off unless get the government
open and get things underway. But in the meantime, I
think the Trumpet ministrass is gonna do exactly what you said.
They're gonna right size it. They're gonna get it to say, yeah,
this over here doesn't even function right anymore. And they

(01:18:59):
put all the stuff in a budget. Generally, Congress, even
when it's our own party, ignores the White House budget
and just keeps the status quo going. But here's a
chance for us to break from it. Who knows, maybe
when Republicans come back in. We've got a majority in
the House. Technically there's a bipartisan majority in the Senate.
Democrats have joined with Republicans in the Senate. They got

(01:19:21):
up to fifty six. I think they're down to fifty
one senators. I don't know who's president and who's absent,
but they've they've voted like nine times in the Senate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
They've always had.

Speaker 10 (01:19:30):
A majority to keep the government open. But their rules
in the Senate say sixty I mean, that's one of
the things we could do is just go to quote
nuclear option on funding and then we'll just pass Republican priorities.
I don't know if that's where it leads, but in
the meantime, lemonade.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
There you go. And there's always a question of you know,
there is a potential for a change in administration. If
you give this nuclear option to go, it's going to
exist for the next administration, and god knows what that
might lead to. Congressmanarre Davidson, let's pause. I have one
question to ask you about the UN, since you brought
up the carbon tax, but I also want to pivot
over to the situation unfolded. Brother dre Andre Un coming

(01:20:10):
up the bottom of the hour on the police chief
threes a thigi thing, the violence of downten cents, and
he outspoken. He is follow him online and Congressman Warren
Davis is on the program right now, and thank you
for your service to our country. I was pleased to
see at least Donald Trump is making sure the troops
are going to get paid. Obviously a huge support of
America's military, am I and I know that it's near
and dear topic to your heart, but that's only gonna

(01:20:31):
be a temporary fix. We got to get the government
back open. But since you mentioned the UN, and I've
obviously profound disappointment and are even involving ourselves with the
UN because it doesn't seem to be able to accomplish anything.
But they did come out with this proposal to start
levying global taxes on countries in the name of I
don't know, global warming or whatever. I just have a
simple question, assuming I'm president of the United States of America.

(01:20:53):
And I have two words for the UN in holding
its hand out and asking me to write a check.
I got two words. D eight happy birthday, as my
dad would say, How can they force us or any
other country to pay anything? What if the collective world
just said, you know what, screw you. You don't have
any authority to collect at tax from us?

Speaker 10 (01:21:11):
Yeah, I mean I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
But we're not going to pay at tax to them.
No one owes them attacks. They have no authority to
collect at tax. But this is the kind of stuff
that they're over there working on with. I mean, they're
essentially a charitable organization funded by governments from all over
the world, and they send people there to, you know,

(01:21:32):
essentially trample on American sovereignty. And yeah, if you're anti American,
you could go, yeah, Hwan's great. It's helping us undermine
our adversary. But if you're in the United States or
one of our allies, you're like, what are you guys
doing again? I mean, what have they done that's productive?
If you look up and say, in the last fifty years,
what are the highlight reel out of the UN and

(01:21:56):
I can't find any.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Well, you know, wasn't the theories behind even establishing or
creating a UN following the failure that was the League
of Nation sort of create a peaceful world for us
all to live in. Where the hell was the UN
when Donald Trump was negotiating peace with the Israelis in
the Hamas members well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Or any other any other Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:22:16):
When's the last time? When's the last? I mean, they're
not doing it, and they're not getting results, and they're
not even helping the people that are doing it. In fact,
often they're undermining. And that's I thought the Donald Trump's
UN speech was great. I mean I just laid it out.
I was like, yeah, uh, you know the eight places
that we negotiated peace, I didn't even get a phone call. Yeah,

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they got no help at all, nothing whatsoever from the
group that's actually supposed to be doing this, and they
haven't produced it. And when you find out, look, what
has what is Hama? What has Hamas got to do
with the peace in the UN? Well, the UN was
funding UNRA, which was supposed to help with refugees, and
they were actively enabling Hamas. I mean, these are the

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kinds of things where the UN has actually been co
opted to undermine peace, not to promote it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
So my suspicion has always been the only reason we
remain in the UN, considering it's ongoing efforts to undermine
everything that we stand for. It's a base of operations
for the CIA to gather intelligence from these various countries
around the world. Am I right? Am I wrong? You
think I'm close?

Speaker 10 (01:23:21):
It sounds plausible.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah, okay, plausible is good enough from a Congressman Aaron
Davidson who has security clearances. All right. Moving over to
the situation in Gaza, it sounds like, I mean a
glorious day. The hostages were released, the world celebrated that
the bullets weren't flying. But the devil's always in the details.
As I want this, I'm prone to saying all the time.
And I read this morning and yesterday and the day before.

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The Hamas people are going around and gunning down Palestinians,
those that they claim were in working in cooperation with
the Israelis or at least incoordinated effort to undermine Hamas.
They're slaughtering their own people. Donald Trump has said they
have to disarm and I would think disarmament would mean
taking away the AK forty seven's used to well murder
members are Palestinian people. But is this going to last?

(01:24:10):
Do you get a sense that this is actually going
to take hold? Is this just the last gasp of
Hamas getting it out of its system before it's completely
thrown out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
Now, look, there was not a total victory here, so
you know, this was not an unconditional surrender by Hamas.
It was essentially a negotiated settlement.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Short of that.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
So a lot of the Hamas military, the leadership that
remained alive, but a lot of them were killed by Israel.
But the remnant is now converting themselves into a quote
police force. And what are they doing with their policing. Well,
it's not like you know, our Bill of Rights or anything.

(01:24:51):
They're just saying, look, these guys are anti Hamas and
they're open to working with Israel, and they want to
guy that isn't governed by by us Hamas.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
So they get a bullet.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
There's no trial, there's no like, uh, you know, let's
let's have a poll, Let's let's go have a election
day and select leadership. Uh, there's there's none of that
in Gaza, and the only way it's going to get
into Gaza is if it's imposed, and Benjamin Netanya, who
is in the act of imposing it. So uh, you know, unfortunately,
war is horrible, uh. And you know, and for good reason.

(01:25:29):
I mean, you're killing people and destroying things. I mean,
it's a terrible uh state for humans to get to
a war. Middle East, that's they've seen an awful lot
of it. But I don't know how you reconcile.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:25:43):
You know, people that want literally they're raised their kids
from cradle to grave, death to Israel, death to America,
you know, from the river to the sea. You know,
all this mindset of just kill, kill, kill because we
disagree with these people, and it isn't going to happen overnight.
So we've got progress and hopefully some of the people

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that are anti Hamas and anti terror will take control
of their own affairs, I mean, because that's the only
way they're going to be able to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Live in peace.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Well, and I think that's something the Middle East countries
that surround the area, you know, Saudi Arabia, Cutter and others,
some who have already entered into the Abraham Peace Accords
I think they realize that threat threatens their existence. They
finally have come around to the realization that playing nice
with terrorist organizations is indeed an existential threat to their
own governments, in their own country's existence. You got any

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comment on that before we part company, Congressman Davidson.

Speaker 10 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's exactly the framework. I mean, President Trump did
a great job of building alliances with the Air of nations.
I mean Cutter, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others were there
celebrating the signing of this peace agreement, and they've committed
to be part of rebuilding Gaza. So you know, the
hope is that with their influence, they can show look,
you can be you know, Muslim and not hostile, like you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Can live in peace.

Speaker 10 (01:27:08):
It doesn't have to be this endless jihad is the
only path to be Muslim. And there are Muslim countries
where they've lived in pretty good, peaceful situations and they're
you know, kudos to NBS in Saudi Arabia. They're modernizing
their country in a lot of ways. If you look
at Dubai, they're doing things that are blending modern world

(01:27:31):
with their faith, and you know, hey, that's what they
should do. I mean, you know, I believe they should
follow Jesus, but I'm not going to go kill them
for it. Right they believe I should follow Mohammed. Hopefully
they'll get to the people that feel like they should
just kill us as infidels over that and say, you know,
we can agree to disagree on that. Yeah, And if
they can, you know, maybe we can have some peace

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over there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
There. You go proselytize, make your argument, and we'll all
draw our own conclusions about which direction we want to go. Davidson,
thank you for your service to our country in your
in your service in the military, as your service as
a representative, and thank you to the voters who put
you in office. You do a great job. And I'm
thank thanking you especially for your willingness to come on
and talk about these issues with my listeners and me,

(01:28:13):
my friend, have a wonderful day, keep your fingers crossed,
and we'll hope for better times moving forward. I'd care
to see the talk station krc DE talk station. I
was going to say, Brian Thomas happy to have in
studio brother dre Andre Ewing with comments about what's going
on in downtown Cincinnati. He was in traffic a little bit.

(01:28:33):
He was front of moll Or High School, which means
he will be on here or he is on his way.
But because he's stopping in the studio, I'm just going
to do a couple of local stories here and we'll
bring in brother Dre in the next segment because I
feel pretty confident he will have arrived by them. So
here we go. Identity the person killed in a hit
and run in Butler County earlier on Saturday. They'd been

(01:28:54):
released Butler kind of Corner's Office said the call report
of the person was hit by a white van traveling
eastbound on Riley Millville Road near Woodbine about six o'clock
in the morning. Deputyes she got there they found Corey mcquitty,
twenty three years old, dead in the road. A's for
the coroner. He said that mcquitti's cause of death was
multiple traumatic intern injuries. The white van is believed to

(01:29:16):
have fled the scene. Ergo. If you have any information,
deputies and Warren County want to hear from you. Specifically,
Stargeant Stephen Poff. Sergeant Pop can be reached at five one, three,
seven eight five twelve eighteen. Residents on Reading Road, calling

(01:29:36):
for urgent safety measures. This after a series of crashes
at the intersection of Reading and Galberth local property under there.
Interviewed by Local twelve, Don Likins called the road or
race track, vehicles often exceeding the twenty five million hour
speed limit. He's witnessed at least one crash per month,
so he's advocating four what do you think speed bumps?

(01:29:58):
At Department of Transportation reports that fifteen thousand motorists use
Retting Road on a daily basis. One hundred and twenty
crashes resulting in injuries happened between twenty twenty twenty twenty four.
Internadministrator Safety Services Director Patrick Ross said that Renting Road
has been selected as a heavy traffic safety corridor by
o DOT initiative part of a pilot speed study which

(01:30:20):
is seeking to reduce vehicle speeds to the posted twenty
five mile per hour limit. City of Cincinnati collaborating with
ODOT on a three point two million dollar project paid
for by the state. Was Stage one expected to be
in October. No idea what Stage two is, but Stage
three is, of course profit. Proposed changes include reducing lanes,
improving cross rocks, raising medians, it remains unserved with speed

(01:30:44):
humps will be part of the final design. So slowing
things down because people are well idiots when it comes
to driving through twenty five mile hour persons going like fifty.
So without that will pause from Roman andre Ewing in
the house. So beyond the program next that you can
stick our get some motor egged and happy Friday Eve
in the house. Man. I'm telling you this guy gets me,

(01:31:07):
Rile that he gets me shouting at the computer and
doing high fives when no one's in the room and
I'm watching what he has to say. Andre Ewing, Curse
Breakers three hundred. He can explain to you about that again.
But welcome back, Andrea. You are an outspoken i'll say, critic,
but not always critic. You praise stuff that's good and
you attack things politically that are bad. Retired police officer,

(01:31:28):
you had thirty years of police a service under your belt, right, Yes, sir,
you've seen it all. Yes you remember the days before
issue five and you obviously there were problems. You can
even mention that if you choose to, it wasn't a
perfect system back then. I know a lot of police
officers weren't thrilled with Chief Tom Striker being police chief.
And you know, but now we have it completely politicized.

(01:31:49):
And of course the conversation brought up because a lot
of rumors swirling around the police chief. Diji's job was
on the line. She got hauled back from her police
convention conference and sort of why did she go in
the middle of all this chaos is a question. But
at least she wasn't well watching when it all hit
the fan. So, but it's become politicized. Mayor, I have

(01:32:09):
to have purvall the city manager have total control over
who gets hired and who gets fired. And a lot
of suggestions, I know you were listening to Dan Hills
this morning, that that creates this sort of capitulation someone
who could be a strong leader, someone who might have
great ideas about policing and might run a foul of
what Perval and the manager and the city manager want,
which means their jobs on the line if they disagree.

(01:32:31):
That is not a good view from my standpoint, and
here we find ourselves today a lot of crime in downtown.
Have to have Pervoll, with his election on the line,
doing a lot of things, or at least paying lip
service to it. But now we've got this wrinkle in
the thing about maybe Chief Fiji's going to lose her job.
Is any of this her fault? Andre Ewing, welcome back, man.

Speaker 9 (01:32:50):
Hey, I appreciate it, brother Brian. It's always a pleasure.
Want to give a shout out to my wife, Danielle Ewing,
who's a police officer as will and also a breast
cancer survived, so having breast Cancer Awareness month. Just want
to talk to all my survivors and your thrivers so
we love you and keep fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
And then thank you very much for bringing that up. Absolutely,
let's get.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
Down to the truth, brother Brian, because I'm not gonna
water it down. I've always said that Thiji has no
business being the chief.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
Now, Dan Hills was on the show talking about she
did better than what I thought? What is better than? Okay,
we clearly said that Lisa Davis was the better choice.
And what rings in my mind is December tenth, twenty
twenty two. That rings in my mind. Why because Cheryl
Long and Scottie Johnson walked into District two and started

(01:33:43):
to ask us questions, what chief do we want? And
it's interesting because I've been on your show before and
overwhelmingly we told the city manager, do not place Terretha
Thiji out of chief position. And it was almost like
we were begging her overwhelmingly one hundred percent in the room,

(01:34:04):
and they did an assessment and overwhelmingly you heard even
Dan Hill say, y yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
We weren't for Thiji.

Speaker 9 (01:34:11):
It was overwhelmingly and you still chose somebody that everybody
said do not do. So I'm not gonna just say
Thiji should go once again, having a convention out of
town during all this telling chiefs what what not to
do and how to talk to criminals to just behave
This is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
You know, it's revealing of a pattern because as you
were talking about that, who is most I mean, the
city residents obviously impacted by who's running the police department,
but that's one thing. But she is there to keep
the police department organized, to hire and fire the right people,
to give promotions to hopefully the merit based right people,

(01:34:55):
et cetera, et cetera. So you're most impacted as a
police officer. Overwhelming support for someone other than Thig. That
sounds remarkably like the city council and this mayor's treatment
of the residents of Hyde Park who were overwhelmingly against
that damn development project so much so that they got
it on the ballot to have it repealed. That's what
forced the city to capitulate in this particular case. Doesn't

(01:35:16):
sound like the city's capitulating anything. They're like, okay, you
want that police chief. Sorry, screw you, guys, We're going
with dig anyway, correct.

Speaker 9 (01:35:23):
Which is ridiculous. That's why Sheryl Long cannot get off
the hook. And what makes her a specialist in picking
and choosing the right police chief? What skills does she
have to disregard an entire police force? And how do
you just get that power from individuals who have no
experience in policing? And we see the results of that decision.

(01:35:45):
And so it's interesting because Fiji is collateral damage being
placed in a position that it was really Hey, Chief,
we're begging you, don't take it because you're not ready.
You're being set up by a highly political process. And
this is the results of leadership. That's why I said
Aftab needs to go. Sheryl Long needs to go as

(01:36:09):
well as Chief and Iris Rowly because we keep hearing
about this collaborative agreement. Will somebody, a professional attorney sit
down and really break down this entire process because you
hear it so much. It's it's a document that we
need to know what exactly is in those documents that

(01:36:31):
appears to be that IRIS has so much power in
this situation, and we will.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Bring that topic back up. We're bumping up against the
break here Andundre a Ewing brother Dre. You can find
him online. He's going to revamp his Facebook pagees currently
it's under a Ewing. I follow him. You gotta watch
his weekly videos. They are you'll find yourself high fiving
no one in the room while he's talking about it.
Seven forty five fifty five cars the doug zation quickly

(01:36:57):
mentioned for in exchange because you want to save everydy
shit had Kars the talk station seven forty nine here
fifty five krc DE talk station. Andre youing check him
out on Facebook. I recommend you checking out what he
has to say each and every week. Outspoken observer, critic,

(01:37:19):
sometimes sometimes supporter, but things going on in the city
of Cincinnati, bringing his thirty years of law enforcement experience
and observations and never pulling any punches on it, so
check him out. You said you're going to rename your
page at some point, Andre, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:37:35):
Sir, it's going to be under a Curse Breakers three
hundred right now, caurse Breakers three hundred dash Brother Dre,
but is going to be revamped. But it definitely Brother
Dre and Curse Breakers three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
So definitely let you know, all right, and you'd be
doing the same thing even under the different all right, yes,
because I would hate if that weren't away. Absolutely back
to Iristrol. You're you've never personally seen the collaborative agreement?
Are you suggesting? Is it's kind of like a hidden document.
It's not like I can't search for the Sinsini Collaborative
Agreement and come up with a full page PDF for
the whole thing.

Speaker 9 (01:38:06):
And it's interesting because nobody seems to know the heart
of the collaborative agreement. The Mayor has thrown it around
a lot in the debate. He threw it up, And
so what needs to happen to the citizens of Cincinnati
since it's being brought up and Iris Rollie's name is
being brought up presented to the city, read verbatim the

(01:38:27):
structure and the importance of it. Now we do understand
that from the Tim Thomas murder, from the police officer
and the issues that occurred there, that the collaborative agreement
was started and the profiling that officers were doing, so
it was needed, but now here we are it was refreshed.

(01:38:48):
What exactly is in there? Because I'm tired of hearing
about it and tired of hearing that she's at the
table dictating what rules are in or not. So will
somebody show up verbatim and that should come from the
chief or city manager or mayor, since you're referring to
it but showing us no facts of her position dealing

(01:39:08):
with this all right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
And I had read Signal ninety nine's post and there
was a reference in there that Iris Roly did do
a presentation to law enforcement officials and other services that
the governor offered. So before you come here to work
for two days a week, maybe now four days a week,
you got to listen to a sermon by Iris Roley.
I'm boiling down what she said, but presumably I can

(01:39:32):
imagine since she was there for the creation of and
was an integral part of establishing the collaborative agreement, that
she doesn't know what's in it? But is it everybody's
understanding that she was telling the officers and officials what's
in there and what they have to do by way
of how to conduct their policing activities in the city,
or was she providing her own version of it, because

(01:39:53):
that's where the wording in the collaborative Agreement is so
damn important. Question number two and I think you know
the answer to this or can guess it. Is there
anything in the collaborate Agreement that allows for the designation
of a pope or an i mom or a Grand
Pooba of the collaborative Agreement? How did she land in
that role as a highly paid consultant going around telling

(01:40:14):
people how to do things?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
And you know what?

Speaker 9 (01:40:16):
Those are the mystery questions that need to be answered
to find out exactly what is her position? As you see,
it never was told to us even after everything occurred.
And seeing this is where a chief Thiji is a
problem as well, because you haven't spoken out even when
she was out harassing officers. So what exactly is happening?

(01:40:39):
No one actually came forward to present and say this
is a problem. So until we actually know under what
power she has, this is constantly going to be confused.
She can address it to the osp and say we
want you to follow this collaborative agreement and resources say
that there was a memorandum that they had to sign
and follow, But what are you following? And that is

(01:41:03):
the question that the citizens and taxpayers need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
That's an excellent observation, all right. Pivoting over to something
the mayor seems to want to embrace, and I know
Cranleigh was wanted to embrace the idea of hiring more
police officers. Were down a couple of hundred more taking
early drop. I mean they're not even sticking out the
entire drop program. They're just washing their hands up and saying,
I'm out senior officers losing experience, and we don't have

(01:41:29):
enough younger officers fill in the rank. So this concept
of lateral hires has come up sounds brilliant, you know,
Dangla herative incentive over here in the city of Cincinnat
for somebody to quit their suburban police officer job and
work in the city, that sounds like a tough road
to ho there, andre Ewing, what in your perception should
the city do to get people to want to come
and work in the Cincinnai Police Department. I mean, is

(01:41:51):
there a simple solution to that, because everybody's climbing for
officers out there in the world.

Speaker 9 (01:41:55):
Correct, and leadership is the key. Once again, no one
wants to be a police, no one. This is a
serious issue. And this is why you release the full
package with the OSP. And this is interesting because this
could be a test temperature to say, we're gonna test
how the OSP. We release the full package. We allow

(01:42:17):
them to do their traffic stops, their investigations, help with
cis all the things the police need. That means what
more officers? So if you already have the funding to
give us the OSP, why would you keep complaining about
we need to hire more officers. Here's the test, baby,

(01:42:38):
right here. Release all these officers at your disposal. This
leadership is ridiculous. I just gave you the blueprint. Release
it and see how this goes. And you will see
when we get more officers. Here is already the blueprint
that's been set. Release the full package.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Get the full package, get the officer numbers back up
to where they should be, and let's see if it works.
At least, right that's what you're saying absolutely try it out.
You know what, maybe in six months from now if
they did all that, just flooded the streets with every
day twenty four hours, seven days a week, the additional resources,
and six months from now, if crime has gone up
or things haven't changed, can say, you know what, it

(01:43:20):
isn't the amount of officers. It's got to be something else.
Thank you very much, andre Ewing, you are the vehicle
for such logic and common sense to make it out
to the residents and the folks that listen to this
conversation on the fifty five Carsee Morning show. My friend,
you always have a welcome spot here. I enjoy what
you do every week and again I'll encourage my listeners
to check out what you've got to say and enjoy
your reaction to Andre Ewing's words. KRC Talkstation A six

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here fifty five carsit de talk station. The continuous theme
here though on this fifty five Carssee Morning show. What's
going on in the city of Cincinnati and welcome back
to the fifty five Carsite Morning Show. Always a pleasure.
Liz Keating, former counselman, she's running again. We hope she
gets elect at least I do, gust Drekker does, Andre
Ewing's got your back. Liz Keaty, welcome back to the
fifty five Casey Morning Show. It's a pleasure to have

(01:44:10):
you back on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:44:12):
Is thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to
be on.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Well, and we're excited and we hope that that voters
give you another shot. At very turbulent times and politics
in downtown Cincinnati and surprising, I think me and everybody
else who fully is aware of how blue the city
is in terms of its democratic leanings. Mary, I have
to have Parvoal seems to be scrambling to respond to

(01:44:35):
the crime problem at least that we've gotten downtown Cincinnati,
but a little late in the day as we get
closer and closer, only a few weeks away from voting.
But he's getting he's it seems to have he's gone
into overdrive mode. And now we have this additional wrinkle
that maybe Police Chief Teresa Thigi might get fired. What's
your reaction has as you see things unfold?

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
Yeah, I think it's a little too late. You know,
of people, the residents of Cincinnati, they have long been
saying they don't feel safe. We've seen violent crime continue
to pick up. And we've heard council members. I mean,
we've had candidate forums. There's been Canet forums several weeks,
for many weeks leading up to this election, and they're
incumbent council members who consistently say that these candidate forums

(01:45:18):
everything is fine, we're lying about crime. Crime is going down,
nothing to see here, And they didn't want to face
the facts. They didn't want to admit what was going on.
They didn't want to listen to residents who are saying,
I just don't feel safe, let alone. We know news
every morning there's been shooting after shooting after shooting, and
they don't do anything. And now all of a sudden

(01:45:39):
they're panicking and trying to make changes right before an election.
This is not how we want our city to be run.
We need leaders who are willing to face the facts
and take action right away, not try to hide it
until it's too late leading up to an election. I
just want better leadership and we need change in Cincinnati

(01:46:00):
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
And I guess, looking just at the issue of the
police chief, I don't personally blame police chief three soy
Thigi for the violence in downtown Cincinnati she is working
with a contingent of police officers, which is at least,
as we understand it, a couple of hundred less than
what we could fully use in downtown Cincinnati. But given
the way the police chiefs are appointed and fired, that

(01:46:21):
that power rests soling the hands of the mayor and
the city manager, neither of whom know anything about policing.
Generally speaking, I don't know how what their role in
the what their position and those roles is that gives
them the the the knowledge and the skills necessary to
select a good police chief. But the political reality of
that is that the police chiefs beholden to the political

(01:46:41):
whims of those two people, which are not in the
interests of the police department. I don't think in the
interests of the city of Cincinnati. Voters will decide that.
But should we go back to the way it was
before Issue five got passed, Liz, I think yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
I think that is a very valid point. Ken Korber
has been very loud about that as well, to give
that buffer. So for the listeners who don't know what
that means, that means we could potentially have a situation
right now the city manager can can fire the police
chief or the fire chief. You know, any time, for

(01:47:14):
any reason, the mayor can fire the city manager. But
to put a little buffer in place to require a
vote of city council, say seven votes of city council,
to approve the firing of somebody. That gives them a
little buffer to actually do their job and not to
sit it on and and be beholden to the political
powers and and have to deal with the politicization of

(01:47:38):
their jobs. I really like that idea, and it gives
them just much more room to actually act in the
professional manners that they're supposed to like. Actually police actually
make tough decisions that may not be politically expedient for
those who are in office. I think it's a very
valid point, something that we should continue to debate and

(01:47:58):
look at, because otherwise you're going to continuously see this,
especially leading into an election season.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Well, I suppose on some level, given the nature of
how she was appointed as police chief, that her if
she is fired, the question will be why are you
firing her? Is it because of these of the violence
in the city, since I and you have misallocated the
resources in the city, or is it an acknowledgment that
because she follows the policies of the city manager, and
I have to have pro ball that it's a reflection

(01:48:26):
of their own failure by appointing her in the first place,
or by dictating how she runs the office. I mean,
that's like, that's like blaming yourself if you fire her.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
I mean, you have to have elected officials that are
willing to stand up every single day and say I
support the police, and I want the police to just
go do their jobs and not holding back and not
create a situation where they're nervous to want to go
out and do their jobs the way that they were trained.
The fact that we are waiting this long to start
going after people who are breaking the law, even minor infractions,

(01:48:59):
is absolutely mind boggling to me. I mean, people have
been complaining about this for a very very long time,
and then to just here this week saying, Okay, we're
going to start going after you, and we're going to
come talk to you, we're going to approach you if
you are doing anything illegal. I mean, the fact that
elected officials weren't supporting and encouraging the police to do

(01:49:19):
this so long ago, I mean, it's no wonder we're
in the situation that we are in. You've got to
be able to support the police, and you've got to
encourage in and allow the police to do their jobs
and not let politics get in the way of that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Amen to that. And then if they are left to
do their job, to run the job independently, make the
choices on their own, free of political pressure, and they
do a poor job, you have a legitimate justification. Hey,
we let her run the show. She failed at that.
We're going to find somebody that does a better job.
That would be more logical and reasonable. But right now
her hands are tied. And again, if they fire her,

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they're firing her because she bent to their will. That'd
be my argument. Anyway, what do you reaction the Jeff
Ruby Entertainment Center closing down. I know the spin in
local media was it was some sort of rent dispute,
but it actually was not. The CEO from Ruby's said
out loud that knows because of security the rental company,

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the property owner wasn't providing adequate security. I think that's
suggesting we need better security downtown. There are employees working
here and they have concerns walking in and out of
the building, or that maybe criminals and evil types might
walk into the building. So the controversy centers around safety,
and they're not there anymore. After that, provol was on

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the TV last night arguing with Corey Bowman claiming Heaps
brought all kinds of businesses in a downsound. But I
don't remember any of that, Liz keating, are we losing
more than we're gaining? Where are we in terms of
drawing people into downtown Cincinnati?

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
You know, I think we have a problem across the board.
We have seen restaurant shut down and those restaurant owners
consistently say that it's because crime, and say is it
been a problem in impacting their businesses? Now, we know
we are in a tough economy. We know that we
already have a lot of forces going against us. But
when you have this kind of economy, you know crime spikes,

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you know mental health issues rise, and you know you
have safety issues. These are things that could have been
prevented and worked on two years ago, but it wasn't.
And now we're consistently hearing You're hearing restaurants in the banks,
you're hearing restaurants in central business district, You're hearing your
restaurants do it in OTR consistently complained about that and
need for more police officers, more police officers walking the beat,

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more security, more private detail to be able to manage
this not just from a security standpoint and a safety standpoint,
but a perception of safety so that people feel safe.
And if people don't feel safe, they are not going
to come support our businesses, and those businesses are going
to hurt. And if we are a city that does
not support these small businesses that are the lifeblood of

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our city and our community, we have a huge, huge
problem down the line. We got to be able to
do better, and we need city officials, particularly city council
step up and actually care about these businesses and make
sure they're getting the support they need from a safety standpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Well, Pauls, bring Liz Keating back. Obviously we know where
she is on crime in downtown Cincinnat. We're going to
get some other ideas she has for as she wins
the council race. Early voting is open, the Board of
Elections is open. Go cast your vote today. Make sure
Liz Keating is among the four or five you actually
vote for. Going back to Christopher Smithman's point, don't vote

(01:52:36):
for all nine. You don't need to do that, just
vote for the ones you want. It's vote Liz Keating
K E A T I G. Vote Liz Keating dot com.
We'll bring her back right from the station eight eighteen
fifty five ker ce De Talk Station. So there's a
very important election in the city of Cincinnati coming up

(01:52:56):
in November, and Liz Keating's on the battle for Sincy
City Council. Joining the program this wanting to talk about that.
So as we move away from a crime, I had
one of the other huge issues for the residents of
the city. And we saw this unfold and Bond Hill
and Hyde Park they collectively painted this connected communities zoning
rule over all of the neighborhoods without consulting with local

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communities about whether they wanted it or not, and then
start making exceptions for well connected developers and in other
areas without consulting those local communities like the residents of
Hyde Park. We all know how that worked out for
the mayor and the city council. What is the Liz
Keating approach to let's say, affordable housing. I know Parvall
said even again last night he wants forty thousand new

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affordable called affordable homes. Maybe you can define that for me,
because I don't know what that means in the next
ten years. But that's four thousand a year. They haven't
even come close to that goal, Liz, keeping your reaction
to property.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Yeah, I think the number one reason why they haven't
come close to that goal is because they're not actually
having productive debate there. I mean, if you if you
look at these situations, they're going all or nothing. So
you've got council members who are voting yes, just get
down there and give speeches as to why they're voting yes.
And then you got council members they're voting no, and
they're giving speeches as to why they're voting no. So

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they go all or nothing. A lot of these communities
are saying, yeah, we do want housing, we do want investment,
we do want something. Can you just work with us
into what fits within the design of our community. And
if it's all or nothing, everyone loses. You end up
with nothing, as you're seeing it in High Park. Whereas
a lot of the High Park neighborhood said, you know

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our squares, olde, It's been a while since we've gotten
some sort of investment. We'd be happy to have a
little bit of a facelift. Can you work within our
current voting?

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Can you?

Speaker 6 (01:54:46):
Can you work within the current design? Can you? Can
you respect the architectural history of our square? And if
you had done that, you would actually be moving forward
on a project right now that one fits with a
neighbor that makes the neighborhood happy, and you'd actually have
more units than you have now. Guess how many we
have now because of the absolute failure of City Council zero.

(01:55:09):
I mean, it's insane. If you look at the way
the city approaches development in our urban core, it is
very proactive, it's strategic, it's intentional, and it respects the
historic architecture of our downtown. And I've said this before.
You wouldn't build a big box apartment building on the

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empty parking lot next to music Hall.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
You just want it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:34):
Nobody would even fathom doing that. But when you go
to the neighborhoods that things like that are like, oh, well,
you're a nimbi if you don't want this, and it's
absolutely absurd, Like you rarely see opposition of housing being
built in the urban core because of how careful and
how intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
They are on it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
And if we can take that same proactive approach in
our neighborhoods, work with our neighborhoods of what you want
and how do we make this fit, you can actually
be much more proactive and figure out had to incentivize
that kind of investment, and particularly for disinvested neighborhoods, they
can get that added investment more housing units the way

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that fits within the neighborhood, and you'd be much further along.
If you continue this all or nothing approach and absolutely
fail and having a productive debate, you get where you
are now, which is zero.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Well, it seems to me this connect communities and it's
all about affordable housing. I don't know what that word means.
I know that if somebody built an apartment complex in
Hyde Park, and maybe it was one hundred units and
each one only had let's say five hundred square feet,
you're going to get a hell of a lot more
rent in that unit than you are. And pick one
of the other fifty two neighborhoods where maybe the crime

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is a lot higher, maybe the amenities aren't is maybe
there's not as much shopping or grocery store access, they're
not going to command as much rent just by virtue
of location. You can't control that unless you put in
some kind of rent control, can you, Liz, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
It's more the way I look at it is is
figuring out how we can get more two, three, four
families built, because if you look on public transit lines,
you can build within neighborhoods, these smaller what you know
professionals call the missing middle housing. You're building up those,
and then more people can can actually build those. You

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have more mom and pops that can build a two family.
It's a pathway to home ownership because somebody can buy
a two family and rent out the other side and
offset their mortgage, which you know brings the cost down.
But when you're buying real estate, which we all know
builds that generational wealth. But then more people can partake
in that because there aren't very many people who can
afford to big, big apartment buildings like you're seeing in

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the urban core. And so if you can take that approach,
and I think High Park is a perfect example. If
you look at all these cross streets around High Park Square,
like Z'mstein and Barry and Michigan and Erie and observatory.
You do have a lot of two three four families.
I grew up on a street two doors down with
a four family because I lived right off of a
major road on Linwood Road. And it gives more people

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the opportunity. You allow more people to be able to build,
and it offsets the cost to be able to create
that pathway to home ownership and generational wealth. And I
think that's the best approach because those smaller missing middle housing,
the two three four family units that fits into neighborhoods,
it works. And if you're doing it on public transit lines,
if you're doing in these neighborhood business districts, if you're

(01:58:32):
doing it in near schools and house centers and daycares,
you know it fits so perfectly and more people get
to partake in it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
And I presume that this entire conversation has to be
predicated on one of those smaller builders maybe or any
any builder actually realizing a profit by building that type
of unit as opposed to going for the full freight
really big apartments or really expensive housing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
There is cool think about the number of people that
could move forward on doing that versus one massive project
that takes years and years to get all the approvals,
to get all the financing and move forward. And I
think the problem with this council is that the you know,
they keep this all or nothing approach and then they
panic because they have it move forward on any numbers,

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and so they just want one big project so they
can you know, tally up and say we got this
many versus trying to figure out how to be much
more proactive and strategic and working with the community to
make it fit. There is a way to do this.
We have seen other cities do this, and we just
need council members who are willing to take the time

(01:59:39):
and actually have that productive debate to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Early voting is open. I recommend listeners check out their
website vote Lizketing dot com. In spite of the fact
that we're running out of time in terms of now
in the election just a few weeks away, it's not
too late for folks to help out with your campaign,
get involved and maybe even donate or are we past that?
Liz keating.

Speaker 6 (01:59:59):
A absolutely not pass that all of the above, So
we definitely need help and we will take any and
all help. Obviously, donations are extremely helpful, particularly at these
last few weeks to help with ads and the mailers.
We need people at the polling locations on election day
talking to your neighbors, your friends as they come in

(02:00:22):
to vote and in you know, getting yard signs up
and just making sure people are aware because you know,
voter turnout is extremely low on these off year elections
and that's why we end up with what we have
right now. And if you want to have a voice,
if you want to have productive debate, if you want
somebody who's going to fight crime and fight the causes

(02:00:42):
of crime. If you want somebody who is going to
make sure those potholes are filled and the roads are
paved and we actually plow snow when it's when it
snows out. We need to have you show up. We
need to have you talking about it and make sure
you got your networks to show up.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
To vote too.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
If those sound like great ideas, then need to vote.
Liz Keating, I recommend people do that again.

Speaker 6 (02:01:02):
Vote listen a great idea. Sorry I'm interrupting you here.
That is not even a great idea, That is just
common sense foundation of local government. It shouldn't be that hard.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
I'm glad I said it Cincinnati. I'm glad I said.

Speaker 6 (02:01:16):
That change down there, right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
I'm glad I said that because you put the exclamation
point on it. Amen, Liz Keaty, good luck. If we
don't talk between now and then, and I hope we do.
I wish you all the best, and I really just
for the benefit of the city that I love so much,
we need a new administration who can focus on this
logical and reasonable strategy. Thanks Liz Keating, keep up the
great work, and I'll wish you all the best as

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we fast approach election day coming up.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
Many things to be thankful for, to be otherwise, brother,
you know that is I know it's been a very
good day.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
That's why I love the post you put up on
Facebook because I always have this inspirational, positive message. You know,
there's always something positive you can focus on, and that's
why I like you so much. You're good man. Jay
rat left and what happened to Southwest? Real quick? Here
carve all time. Last time you were on you were
talking I think was Spirit Airlines. Who's getting rid of
reclining seats or you had to pay extra for them?

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
Well, actually that's West Jets West and yeah, West Jet
in Canada. They're they're kind of the Southwest Airlines, if
you will, of Canada to a smaller version. They're premium
seats are seats that we can pay extra for if
we want, if you want to really like the premium
service of reclining. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
But Southwest just has redesigned their interiors of all some
of their airplanes anyway, and they're now switching to brand
new Reccaro R two seats featuring multi adjustable headrest kutchin,
integrated tablet and phone holder in the rear, and in
seat power with integrated USBA and seaports. Sounds like they're
going the opposite direction. Didn't they pay attention to making

(02:02:49):
us more miserable in order to make more money?

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
Jay, Well, you know, but part of this is also
so they can put in their premium seats, which are
things that they are just now doing because they've got
the assigned seats that are coming up, and they've got
the premium seats where you can pay to sit in
a seat that's got a little bit more leg room.
Because Southwest really learned a couple of years ago that
they really needed to start paying attention to the fact

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that there's a segment of the traveling pump population that's
willing to pay above and beyond what they would normally
pay for an airfare for a more comfortable seat with
more legram. And I love the fact they're going to
assigned seating. That means no more of these wheelchairs out
the door type of thing where people are just trying
to get on early. But the idea that you're going

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to have the ability to have a premium seat, which
is a little bit larger seat, a little bit more legram,
well I don't think the seat's larger, but you've got
more legroom, more pitched between rows, is going to be
a great thing. Because Delta and United reported earnings recently
and they were incredibly strong, and they credited the premium
seats that they've been selling and how popular they have been,

(02:03:57):
and how they continue to make that one of their
uh primary you know, marketing points. And you know other
airlines are doing the same thing. They're recognizing that. Look, yeah,
cramming as many seats onto an aircraft as you can
is one thing. It's like that double decker aircraft, the
Airbus A three eighty. If it's all coach configuration, no
business class, no first class, no premium seats. You can

(02:04:19):
put eight hundred people on that airplane.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Oh lord, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
That's tempting fate. But that's another story.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
But that's the first reaction I had came from you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:31):
Got that right. So, but you know, when when airlines
start putting in the first class seats, the business class,
and then these premium seats, which are the you know,
the extra comfortable coach seats. Uh, some airlines found out
that the coach, the premium coach seats were more popular
than some of their first class seats and some of
their business class. So we've actually seen airlines over the

(02:04:51):
last couple of years removing some of the business class
first class seats so they can make more room to
put more of these premium se seats in because even
though they obviously sell them at a reduced price versus
what they took out, they can put in more of those,
and they sell those out much more frequently than they
do the seats that many times are just an upgrade

(02:05:12):
for people with their frequent flyer miles.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
Where really, you know, they're not getting a huge.

Speaker 4 (02:05:18):
Uh you know, benefit from a revenue standpoint. So yeah,
it's fascinating to see this shift to premium seats. It
doesn't surprise me because as tough as it is to
endure travel these days, to pay a couple extra dollars
to sit in those premium seats, it's certainly the way.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
To do it well, and almost a requirement considering society's
collective girth is increasing even as we speak. Got to
have room to put the person, and I would be
willing to pay extra for some space if I had
a girth issue. Pause from it will bring Jay Ryley
back plenty to talk about with his mass revenue wreckon
River near Dell High Seat ingram on fifty five KOC

(02:05:56):
the talk station. We've never been in a cockpit before,
A thirty eight fifty one cair C DE talk station,
returning with iHeartMedia Aviation expert Jay Ratliffe. You were one
other thing right and again not on your list?

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
But how.

Speaker 4 (02:06:14):
Why reference what I send you that's mine?

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
No, we'll get to all that. I just like to
buildle fit all the time your show, brother, you lead.
I don't want to have to go back and leave
myself to my own devices. I have you as a
vehicle to keep the conversation going. Jay. You know that's fine,
Pete Heggsa's flight had to divert. They a windshield got cracked.
Oh yeah, how does the windshield get cracked or is

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this a fairly common phenomenon. I've never read about that before.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
Well, you know, when when you're talking about a cockpit windshield,
you're talking about several different layers of protection. When you
look at it, because it's multi layered, it's obviously very
high strength, and there's a lot of times that this
this acrylic glass, if you will, can't and shatter. It's

(02:07:02):
not like it blows out, but it cracks, and when
you're in the cockpit when that happens, it sounds like
a gun went off. But because of the fact it's
multi layered, a lot of times you've just got one
layer of those I think three that you have there
that has been impacted. So what happens is the plane
normally will make an unscheduled landing. It's not necessarily considered

(02:07:24):
an emergency landing, but the land because obviously you're worried
about the rest of the windshield components, which even though
they're in separately, contains separately. It happens frequently. The biggest
issue is if they're landing. It could impair the pilot's
ability to see the runway to an extent. But no,

(02:07:45):
I mean it's they happen. And when you look at
the number of flights that we have in the course
of a day, a week, a month, a year, I'm
surprised we don't have more occurrences of that taking place.
But the pictures when you do a Google image of
the cockpit windshields when they do this, yeah, it's something
to look at for sure. Fair enough in aviation terms,

(02:08:08):
it's almost a non event, other than the fact that
if you're drinking coffee when it starts, you might spill
your coffee, because you get it's quite a start because
you've got that cockpit, the flight deck that's contained, so
anything in there it echoes, but at a much louder sound.
And believe me, the flight crew was made aware of
it immediately when it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
Happened, I imagine, so so in addition to cleaning up
the coffee, you probably had to hit the restroom and
do a shorts change, at least I would. Anyway. Oh
to Boeing, it looks like they're on the move in
terms of deliveries. They're increasing the deliveries behind air Bus, though,
but are they delivering planes that are safe?

Speaker 4 (02:08:43):
Jay, We hope so that is the plan, and normally
Boeing an Airbus it's fifty to fifty, but obviously with
the production delays that we've been talking about with Boeing,
that's not been the case for the last several years.
But Boeing is starting to close the gap. I was
looking at the numbers for Airbus. Airbus has delivered five
hundred and sixty eight aircraft to date and Boeing four

(02:09:06):
hundred and forty. Now that's a little bit closer than
what it's been of late. But what's really interesting, Brian,
and we've talked about this from time to time, is
the backlog of airplanes. Now, keep in mind Airbus is
hoping to deliver about nine hundred airplanes this year. They
have a backlog at Airbus of eight thousand, seven hundred
and sixteen jets that they still have to build. Airbus

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has got the eighty seven hundred. Boeing's backlog is sixty
five hundred and thirty one jets Between them, that's fifteen
thousand planes that have been ordered that they have yet
to be built and delivered. And that's why if you
order a jet today, yeah, it's going to be delivered
sometime during the next presidential administration, because it's going to

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take a long time. When you when you're cranking out
a thousand airplanes a year and you you've got a
backlog of eighty seven hundred, Yeah, it's going to take
some time. And that's why a lot of times we
talked about why do one airline buy another airline because
the fact that if you want to increase the size
of your fleet, yeah, you can get in line with
everybody else, or you can go buy a Spirit or

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somebody else and immediately increase your fleet by a couple
hundred aircraft of the type that that you want to use.
So that's one of the reasons a lot of times
you'll see those acquisitions. It's not so much market based,
you like where they fly, the schedule type of thing.
It's the fact that you want the equipment that that
air airline saw or flies. But yeah, Boeing's making up

(02:10:33):
some distance there and yeah, we'll see if they can
continue to close that gap.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
All right, Well, considering the data, the data of you know,
signing the contract to purchase and the data delivery decade.
What of all the technological advances that might occur for
that period of time, wouldn't you want the most state
of the art, safest, quietest, most efficient fuel wise aircraft?
And I got to imagine that type of research and
development is going on all the time. We've got a
lot quieter planes out in the world than we used to. So, oh, yeah,

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are you getting today? Like if I order in twenty
twenty five, is that the kind of technology I'm getting
in twenty thirty five when the thing shows up? Or
do you get the benefit of an improvements you do?

Speaker 4 (02:11:10):
Because what happens the avionics package is normally one of
the last things that they're going to be putting in,
so it's going to be the state of the art
of what you have. A lot like the power plant
or the engines that you put on an aircraft or
are you know, towards the end of the aircraft be
being produced and installed. So that's one of the things
that you look at there. So yeah, you would be
getting the benefit of that. That would be almost insult

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to injury if you had to worry, if you had
to worry about getting an airplane. Yeah, that had a
package of you know, ten years old on some of
its components. Yeah, that's not what we're after, and fortunately
that's not the case. But you know, these airplanes, they
continue to get more quiet, they continue to get more
fuel efficient, and they allow the airlines to be more profitable.

(02:11:52):
And you know, one of the things that blows my
mind to this day is continuing to see airlines like
Delta in United that report quarterly profits of more than
a billion dollars. Delta just last week announced their third
quarter profit was one point four billion dollars in the
third quartered United was a much less impressive nine hundred million,

(02:12:16):
I think or so in the third quarter. But Brian,
what just blows my mind is, I remember all the
decades when airlines were losing money like crazy. You couldn't
get Warren Buffett to buy an airline stock if you
dared him. But what happened was airlines have gotten to
the point now where they're using the credit cards and
the other things to help them make this money. From

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a revenue standpoint, last year, the big four airlines made
eight billion dollars in profit collectively, those four But when
you look at the boring numbers, what we talk about
the available seat miles per carrier and the revenue generated
per available seat mile. They're actually losing money on the
transportation side of the equation. Oh my lord, think about that.

(02:12:58):
If all they did was transportation and that was the
sole vein of their revenue stream, they would be losing
money in a lot of it. But because they've got
the ancillary fairs and those credit cards, you're now seeing
this revenue being generated at just an unbelievable pace. And
that's why. You know, everybody's got a credit card that's

(02:13:19):
tied to miles and things of this nature. Whether or
not we use them or not another thing. But that's
where they're making this money from other resources in additional
revenue streams, and it's really become a multifaceted business where
you've got these multiple revenue streams that are contributing to
these un I mean, the idea that an airline could
make a billion dollars in profit in a year was

(02:13:40):
unthinkable a number of years ago. Now you've got United
doing it almost every quarter, as is Delta, and it
just it's mind.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
Boggling mind modeling. Most notably that it isn't based upon
the core function of their business, which is air trapl
Why do that, Well.

Speaker 4 (02:13:54):
You know, any business has multiple revenue streams they need to.
But when you look at the fact that, hey, we're
in business to transport people and just because of the competition,
thank God for the low cost carriers. That's why anytime
we get a low cost carrier in Cincinnati, and we've
had some recent news with Frontier and Allegiance which has
really been exciting at Cincinnati, I love it because the

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stronger these low cost carriers are, the more in check
they keep these larger legacy carriers. And regardless of which
city I'm talking to across the country, when they say, hey, Jay,
we just landed a Breeze or a Legion or Frontier,
I'm thinking great, make sure you support them because they're
the reason that we have these low fairs. If these airlines,
like a Spirit and others start to disappear from the landscape,

(02:14:38):
we're toast because these large legacy carriers will start to
raise their fares. As we've seen before the yeah, the
old CD and that's what well, we had no competition
at the time, no low cost carriers, so Frontier kind
of broke that model a number of years ago. Thank
God for that bringing that one flight from Dayton that
they had for seven years down to Cincinnati to Denver

(02:15:00):
and the next thing you know, they're going crazy. Here
comes Allegiant, here comes everybody else. Right, So it's because
of that, So please continue to support those low cost carriers.
And at that the website at the Cincinnat Airport CBG Airport,
you can see where some of these new low cost
carriers are bringing him back some of their seasonal service,
introducing new service, and it's really some exciting things to
see and I'm thrilled that the community is supporting them

(02:15:22):
as we are.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
Jay ratlif pause, We're ringing back for a real quick hit.
We'll end on a comical note, even though it involves
a sad and pathetic passenger and to get a hub delay,
don't go way right backers the talk station eight if
you want, if you have Arcite talk station closing another
Thursday with one more segment with iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay

(02:15:44):
rat Leff from the Don't Be That Guy File. We
got another passenger attacking crew members. What's this one all about? Jay?

Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
Yeah, this is a don't be that woman story because
this was a sixty sixty one year old passenger that
was a boarded a Last Airline's flight. It was scheduled
to fly from Portland to Dallas. But during the course
of the flight, this woman started acting irrationally and flight
attendants were trying to come to her aid, well, that's
when she struck them, and that's all it took that

(02:16:11):
she was immediately restrained. Flight was diverted, and you know
it's bad when you have to divert to Boise, Idaho,
but that's where they landed to get her off, and
obviously the airline quickly came out saying, you know, charges
could be filed obviously, you know, assaulting a flight attendant,
and also that she'll never be flying the Last Airlines
ever again, which is good. But then back to my

(02:16:33):
overused comment that she can still fly any other airline
in the country she wants to after assaulting a crew member,
which should not be allowed, but continues to be so.
So one of these Brian, it's going to take something
serious and that's when the airlines are going to decide
that that's when they need to do it, at which
point we'll be screaming, why did it take this long
for us to make that kind of of a decision.

Speaker 1 (02:16:56):
It's like our lithium battery discussions from time to time. Yeah,
wait till that happens on an eight hundred passenger airplane.
Jay Ratliff, let's hope, not hope, not lee, all right,
as we typically do or always do, if we can
fit in hub delays. How's it looking out there today
for air travel one of.

Speaker 4 (02:17:12):
The days of the week we've had to fly. I
think Salt Lake City is about the only hub that
I've been able to find from a weather standpoint that
could see some delays. Chicago maybe late in the day,
but I think that's going to be minimal. I think
it's going to be Salt Lake and I don't think
the delays are going to be any more than thirty
to forty minutes there. So if you picked today, you
picked a great one knowledge from the good weather standpoint,

(02:17:32):
but probably a reduction in turbulence, which is also nice.
But that doesn't mean not to keep seat bet On,
please do so.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Is you flying fair enough? But what I'm hearing is
the government shutdown, even though it may impact air traffic
controller salaries or something, is not impacting air travel itself
at least yet.

Speaker 4 (02:17:48):
No last Friday, we had thirty nine hundred flights that
were delayed, and a lot of that's being touted because
of the shut down blah blah blah blah blah. But
again to introduce facts to the story, the average number
of delays we've had this year has been forty one
hundred a day. We actually had fewer delays on the
snapshot I took on Friday than what we normally have,

(02:18:11):
So that would lend me to say, yes, we are
having pockets of problems. I won't discount that, but Brian,
don't tell me we're having a coast to coast problem
if we have fewer delays now per day than what
we have normally.

Speaker 1 (02:18:24):
Fair enough, Jay Raliffe, thank you so much for joining
the program every week. I thoroughly enjoy our exchange and
the information we talk about. And I'll look for to
next Thursday. Another discussion between now and then. Best of
health and love to you, and of course you're better half.

Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
Same to you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
Thank you, Thanks brother. It's a fifty four right now.
If you're get a chance to listen, Dan