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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From on fifty five KRCD talk station. A twenty eight
fifty five KRCD talk station. It's that time of the week.
Apploytment listening Daniel Davis Deep Dive retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel
Davis is a podcast called the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.
You can find out wherever we get your podcasts. We
are blessed to have him on the fifty five Cassee
Morning Show every Tuesday at this time to talk about
(00:21):
stuff and things, usually in the area of war and
military activity. Welcome back, sir, It is a pleasure to
have you on the fifty five Carsee Morning Show, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Always a pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having
me back.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What is and let's start. I know you don't know
what I want to start with, so here you go,
Daniel Davis. I know you're capable of fielding your question
from out in the world. The situation of the UN
Security Council a thirteen vote for President Trump's twenty point
peace plan for Gaza, and call it what you will,
but as I read this, and as I understand it,
(00:53):
no recognition of a Palestinian state, the requirement that hamas
disarming the Gaza demilitarized as a first step. Then if
you get to that part, then maybe we'll move on
to what they'll call phase two. But for the most part,
I found it interesting that the UN even approved this,
and that Russia and or China didn't veto it, which
they could have done. They abstained. So we have a
(01:14):
thirteen to zero vote, which I can't remember the last
time a pro US military strategy or US policy was
fully embraced and not just shot down outright. Now, you
can correct me on my history and my recollection, Daniel Davis,
But what's your reaction to at least the UN approving this,
because normally I find them to be a completely worth
this organization.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, just look at terms of what actually happened. There
was the Trump's twenty point piece plan for the foundation
of disagreement, and there is actually point number seventeen. There
is a provision that leads to the eventual Palestinian state.
So at least aspirationally is part of the deal, and
(01:56):
aspiration is far from a concrete action plan, and so
we'll see how.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That works out.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But the first issue is the fact that this was
Trump's plan and it was agreed to by all these parties. However, uh,
it's always you know some however's here you have the
opposition in the Israeli Cabinet led by a guy named Lieberman.
You have Smotrich and some of these others definitely against it,
(02:23):
like vehemently against it. They think that it's a betrayal
of of Israel, that it lays the foundation, especially because
of this international stabilization for us, it's supposed to come
in and provide peace, et cetera. They're like that that's
going to lay the foundation for our insecurity in the
in the future. Then you have the Hamas side, and
they just categorically rejected it, and they said, no, we
(02:43):
don't agree with this because it doesn't give enough benefits
and freedoms to the and guarantees for the Palacinating people,
et cetera. Everybody seems to like it, accept the Israelis
in the in the Hamas side. So I'm not sure
what to make of that. That's not entirely optimistic, but
at least really relatively speaking, the ceasefire is holding the
casually count in the Gaza strip as opposed to the
(03:07):
West Bank, where by the way, violence is spiking to
almost all time high levels, and let's not lose sight
of that fact. But at least in the Gaza strip,
things are relatively holding, and as long as there's one
more day without violence or limited violence in it to
one more day, there's a chance that we can bring
permanent peace to the situation. But we are way far
(03:27):
from this turning into peace. This is just as you
just pointed out, this is relatively This is kind of
like phase one and a half, and now we have
to do the hard part of phase two and we'll
see how it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
In terms of disarming, you know, getting I understand the concept,
how does one bring that about? Obviously very complicated, especially
when Hamas does not want to disarm. It's the only
mechanism they have to contain or maintain any control or power.
But you know, I guess it depends what the Palestinian
people want by way of leadership. Of course, the physical
space of Gaza. But how if they could achieve disarmament,
(04:01):
would that come about giving Humas's resistance.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's gonna be incredibly difficult, and you're gonna have to
have the participation, in cooperation of the Palestinian people And listen,
this is one of the areas. I've several times under
your show here talking about how I've been upset at
the Israeli side because they have used a lot of
violence against the people and they have not, you know,
been straightforward with what they said and what they did, etc.
(04:26):
But I'll tell you right now, the Hummas they have
to be put Lots of pressure has to be put
on them, and primarily I think by the Arab Coalition
and the Arab countries in there, because the longer they
drag their feet and if they actually say, well, we're
not going to accept this, they.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Have no leverage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
All they can do is just be persistent and forget
about trying to do anything that brings the war to
an end and then bring more firepower on the people
of Palestine. So they have nothing to gain except for
a continuation of the war. And I really hope that
both the Palestinian people and the Arabs and the area
bring pressure on them to do exactly what it is.
(05:03):
There's nothing for them to gain and everything for the
Palestinian people to gain by them doing what they're supposed to.
We'll see if it turns out that way, but that's
the biggest impediment in the near term.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, I mean it's I want to draw a parallel
to say something along the lines of will the Abraham
Accords have gotten people to sort of put down their
fighting words and agree to work together for a collective
peace in the agreement in the region that coalition of
I hope ever growing Arab countries. That's the pressure that
can help bring to bear on Hamas in the area.
(05:34):
I mean, is that kind of a working coalition that
can do that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It is, But we also bear in mind that especially
the kingpin of this, the Saudi Arabia want they're willing
to do that, but they also have pressure on the
Israeli side because they said, listen, we'll expand the Abraham
Accords and we'll talk more peace on that, but you
have to at least provide a viable path to a
Palestinian statehood or freedom, and of course Israel doesn't want
(05:59):
to do that. They've been categorically opposed. That's one of
the things that the Israeli side is most opposed to
in this UN deal because it has the aspiration toward that.
And then you know how much pressure is the US
going to bring on Israel to abide by their portion.
How much will Saudi Rabi, who's meeting with Trump today,
by the way, how much pressure will they put on
the Hamas side to do what.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
They're supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So lots of people want peace, and so the matter
of how much pressure they're going to put on the
two sides to bring this all together.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So who would be the ones arming Hamas on a
going forward basis? Given that you know, Iran's economy seems
to be collapsing, They're going to have to move the
capital because of lack of water. Of course, the sanctions,
international pressure. I'm just where are they going to continue
to get their hardware?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Oh yeah, that listen, as long as there's money involved
and there's a hatred of Israel, that weapons will be found.
There's ways they can get smuggled in. You just can't
stop everything, and people are motivated, they will find a
way to get things done. So there's enough people that
hate Israel around the world and there's there's money and
(07:04):
weapons are gonna find their way in there one or
the other point.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Point while taking understood, just needed to be on the
record on that real quick. Here Manuel McCrone planning on
sending one hundred fighter jets to Zelenski over the next
ten years. Ukrainian is still demanding more Tomahawks. That this
is the same conversation you haven't heaven for weeks, Daniel Davis.
Is ain't gonna help anything, is it? No, it is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I actually made that point on my show this
week already that this is this is an extension of
the things that we're doing that don't help, because we've
had the you know, it's gonna be the the attackings,
the long range, and it was gonna be the storm Shadow,
then it was gonna be the F sixteen's that's what
was good and none of them made any difference here
and now talking about just a different kind of jet,
that's not the problem. That's not where uh Israel, that's
(07:51):
not where the Ukraine sides problems are. In fact, it
was a great piece I think it was last Friday
by Julian Rupke, a German, a journalist who's been covering
this war from the beginning, one of the best, most accurate,
definitely pro Ukraine, but he's also accurate in most of
his stuff, and he had a piece where he just said,
let's call this what it is Ukraine is on a
(08:12):
path to a strategic defeat. They will not win if
they keep going in they self delusion, both Ukraine government
and their military and the Western people. And one of
the things he pointed out was you're not doing the
things that actually matter on the battlefield. He said, send
in like millions of drones, not these big high tech
weapons systems. That that's not where the fots wonder lost
(08:33):
on the battlefield. It's with the drone situation. And he said,
Russia has a huge advantage and it's growing, and we're
we're tinkering around with jets over ten years. I no,
come on, man, that's humiliating and it's embarrassing, and it's
just helping for Ukraine to lose.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I'm sorry I laugh over that point, but that's I
really literally laugh when I saw that over ten years,
because it goes back to the reality of it's every
missile system there is, there's a finite amount in a
limit number of places they can go in the world,
and this seemingly unlimited demand for all this hardware.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know, so and you know you know how long
it's going to take to train these pilots up. You
remember when we authorize the F sixteens. When Biden did,
it was like somewhere around nine months or maybe even
longer before they could get their pilots trained up on
the F sixteen. Now you've got to start a whole
new one. Unless something's been going on behind the scenes
that we don't know about. You're talking about multiple months
just to get them to get in the cockpit effectively
(09:26):
and then operate the weapons systems there.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So this is just ridiculous in my view, cold harsh reality,
as we always expect from Daniel Davis. Retireling Colonel Daniel Davis.
Find him where you find your podcast, look for the
Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Love the conversation. Someday we're gonna
have some great positive news toward peace, Daniel, and I'm
waiting for that day. Yeah, wait for it next Tuesday
maybe Ed. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Much love, brother,
(09:49):
will heavy great week, my friend. Eight thirty eight fifty
five KRC DE Talk Station. This is fifty five KRC
and I
From on fifty five KRCD talk station. A twenty eight
fifty five KRCD talk station. It's that time of the week.
Apploytment listening Daniel Davis Deep Dive retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel
Davis is a podcast called the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.
You can find out wherever we get your podcasts. We
are blessed to have him on the fifty five Cassee
Morning Show every Tuesday at this time to talk about
(00:21):
stuff and things, usually in the area of war and
military activity. Welcome back, sir, It is a pleasure to
have you on the fifty five Carsee Morning Show, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Always a pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having
me back.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What is and let's start. I know you don't know
what I want to start with, so here you go,
Daniel Davis. I know you're capable of fielding your question
from out in the world. The situation of the UN
Security Council a thirteen vote for President Trump's twenty point
peace plan for Gaza, and call it what you will,
but as I read this, and as I understand it,
(00:53):
no recognition of a Palestinian state, the requirement that hamas
disarming the Gaza demilitarized as a first step. Then if
you get to that part, then maybe we'll move on
to what they'll call phase two. But for the most part,
I found it interesting that the UN even approved this,
and that Russia and or China didn't veto it, which
they could have done. They abstained. So we have a
(01:14):
thirteen to zero vote, which I can't remember the last
time a pro US military strategy or US policy was
fully embraced and not just shot down outright. Now, you
can correct me on my history and my recollection, Daniel Davis,
But what's your reaction to at least the UN approving this,
because normally I find them to be a completely worth
this organization.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, just look at terms of what actually happened. There
was the Trump's twenty point piece plan for the foundation
of disagreement, and there is actually point number seventeen. There
is a provision that leads to the eventual Palestinian state.
So at least aspirationally is part of the deal, and
(01:56):
aspiration is far from a concrete action plan, and so
we'll see how.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That works out.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But the first issue is the fact that this was
Trump's plan and it was agreed to by all these parties. However, uh,
it's always you know some however's here you have the
opposition in the Israeli Cabinet led by a guy named Lieberman.
You have Smotrich and some of these others definitely against it,
(02:23):
like vehemently against it. They think that it's a betrayal
of of Israel, that it lays the foundation, especially because
of this international stabilization for us, it's supposed to come
in and provide peace, et cetera. They're like that that's
going to lay the foundation for our insecurity in the
in the future. Then you have the Hamas side, and
they just categorically rejected it, and they said, no, we
(02:43):
don't agree with this because it doesn't give enough benefits
and freedoms to the and guarantees for the Palacinating people,
et cetera. Everybody seems to like it, accept the Israelis
in the in the Hamas side. So I'm not sure
what to make of that. That's not entirely optimistic, but
at least really relatively speaking, the ceasefire is holding the
casually count in the Gaza strip as opposed to the
(03:07):
West Bank, where by the way, violence is spiking to
almost all time high levels, and let's not lose sight
of that fact. But at least in the Gaza strip,
things are relatively holding, and as long as there's one
more day without violence or limited violence in it to
one more day, there's a chance that we can bring
permanent peace to the situation. But we are way far
(03:27):
from this turning into peace. This is just as you
just pointed out, this is relatively This is kind of
like phase one and a half, and now we have
to do the hard part of phase two and we'll
see how it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
In terms of disarming, you know, getting I understand the concept,
how does one bring that about? Obviously very complicated, especially
when Hamas does not want to disarm. It's the only
mechanism they have to contain or maintain any control or power.
But you know, I guess it depends what the Palestinian
people want by way of leadership. Of course, the physical
space of Gaza. But how if they could achieve disarmament,
(04:01):
would that come about giving Humas's resistance.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's gonna be incredibly difficult, and you're gonna have to
have the participation, in cooperation of the Palestinian people And listen,
this is one of the areas. I've several times under
your show here talking about how I've been upset at
the Israeli side because they have used a lot of
violence against the people and they have not, you know,
been straightforward with what they said and what they did, etc.
(04:26):
But I'll tell you right now, the Hummas they have
to be put Lots of pressure has to be put
on them, and primarily I think by the Arab Coalition
and the Arab countries in there, because the longer they
drag their feet and if they actually say, well, we're
not going to accept this, they.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Have no leverage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
All they can do is just be persistent and forget
about trying to do anything that brings the war to
an end and then bring more firepower on the people
of Palestine. So they have nothing to gain except for
a continuation of the war. And I really hope that
both the Palestinian people and the Arabs and the area
bring pressure on them to do exactly what it is.
(05:03):
There's nothing for them to gain and everything for the
Palestinian people to gain by them doing what they're supposed to.
We'll see if it turns out that way, but that's
the biggest impediment in the near term.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, I mean it's I want to draw a parallel
to say something along the lines of will the Abraham
Accords have gotten people to sort of put down their
fighting words and agree to work together for a collective
peace in the agreement in the region that coalition of
I hope ever growing Arab countries. That's the pressure that
can help bring to bear on Hamas in the area.
(05:34):
I mean, is that kind of a working coalition that
can do that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It is, But we also bear in mind that especially
the kingpin of this, the Saudi Arabia want they're willing
to do that, but they also have pressure on the
Israeli side because they said, listen, we'll expand the Abraham
Accords and we'll talk more peace on that, but you
have to at least provide a viable path to a
Palestinian statehood or freedom, and of course Israel doesn't want
(05:59):
to do that. They've been categorically opposed. That's one of
the things that the Israeli side is most opposed to
in this UN deal because it has the aspiration toward that.
And then you know how much pressure is the US
going to bring on Israel to abide by their portion.
How much will Saudi Rabi, who's meeting with Trump today,
by the way, how much pressure will they put on
the Hamas side to do what.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
They're supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So lots of people want peace, and so the matter
of how much pressure they're going to put on the
two sides to bring this all together.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So who would be the ones arming Hamas on a
going forward basis? Given that you know, Iran's economy seems
to be collapsing, They're going to have to move the
capital because of lack of water. Of course, the sanctions,
international pressure. I'm just where are they going to continue
to get their hardware?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Oh yeah, that listen, as long as there's money involved
and there's a hatred of Israel, that weapons will be found.
There's ways they can get smuggled in. You just can't
stop everything, and people are motivated, they will find a
way to get things done. So there's enough people that
hate Israel around the world and there's there's money and
(07:04):
weapons are gonna find their way in there one or
the other point.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Point while taking understood, just needed to be on the
record on that real quick. Here Manuel McCrone planning on
sending one hundred fighter jets to Zelenski over the next
ten years. Ukrainian is still demanding more Tomahawks. That this
is the same conversation you haven't heaven for weeks, Daniel Davis.
Is ain't gonna help anything, is it? No, it is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I actually made that point on my show this
week already that this is this is an extension of
the things that we're doing that don't help, because we've
had the you know, it's gonna be the the attackings,
the long range, and it was gonna be the storm Shadow,
then it was gonna be the F sixteen's that's what
was good and none of them made any difference here
and now talking about just a different kind of jet,
that's not the problem. That's not where uh Israel, that's
(07:51):
not where the Ukraine sides problems are. In fact, it
was a great piece I think it was last Friday
by Julian Rupke, a German, a journalist who's been covering
this war from the beginning, one of the best, most accurate,
definitely pro Ukraine, but he's also accurate in most of
his stuff, and he had a piece where he just said,
let's call this what it is Ukraine is on a
(08:12):
path to a strategic defeat. They will not win if
they keep going in they self delusion, both Ukraine government
and their military and the Western people. And one of
the things he pointed out was you're not doing the
things that actually matter on the battlefield. He said, send
in like millions of drones, not these big high tech
weapons systems. That that's not where the fots wonder lost
(08:33):
on the battlefield. It's with the drone situation. And he said,
Russia has a huge advantage and it's growing, and we're
we're tinkering around with jets over ten years. I no,
come on, man, that's humiliating and it's embarrassing, and it's
just helping for Ukraine to lose.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I'm sorry I laugh over that point, but that's I
really literally laugh when I saw that over ten years,
because it goes back to the reality of it's every
missile system there is, there's a finite amount in a
limit number of places they can go in the world,
and this seemingly unlimited demand for all this hardware.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know, so and you know you know how long
it's going to take to train these pilots up. You
remember when we authorize the F sixteens. When Biden did,
it was like somewhere around nine months or maybe even
longer before they could get their pilots trained up on
the F sixteen. Now you've got to start a whole
new one. Unless something's been going on behind the scenes
that we don't know about. You're talking about multiple months
just to get them to get in the cockpit effectively
(09:26):
and then operate the weapons systems there.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So this is just ridiculous in my view, cold harsh reality,
as we always expect from Daniel Davis. Retireling Colonel Daniel Davis.
Find him where you find your podcast, look for the
Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Love the conversation. Someday we're gonna
have some great positive news toward peace, Daniel, and I'm
waiting for that day. Yeah, wait for it next Tuesday
maybe Ed. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Much love, brother,
(09:49):
will heavy great week, my friend. Eight thirty eight fifty
five KRC DE Talk Station. This is fifty five KRC
and I
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