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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Illegal aliens. Listen here, Land is on fire. No everything,

(00:03):
you never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Fifty five cares the talk station. Today. November fourteenth, among
other things, is the seventy sixth birthday of one James
Vincent Young, the only continuous member of the rock band
Sticks from its inception. Let's crank up some blue collar mans.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We've got Roland hears, just.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A blue collar kid from the Chicago area. Was in
a band called the Catalinas in the mid sixties where
they were named the third place and it's something called
the Best Teens in America competition. They went a hunt
to travel to Europe and gained a little bit of variety.

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In nineteen seventy he joined a band called tw four,
which later, as we know, became Sticks, and through every
incarnation he's been a member of Styx. Heavy birthday to
Jay James Young. Before we look at to look back
at significant events and people tied to this particular data

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in history, including but not limited to these this date.
In eighteen fifty one, the way Bill Herman Melville's novel
Moby Dick, published in the United States eighteen eighty nine.
Journalist Back when there were such things as actual journalists,
you know who just reported facts and stuff. Named Nellie

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Bly began an attempt to travel round the world in
eighty days. It's a thing that movies are made about,
in fact have been. She successfully completed that journey in
little more than seventy two days. Ships trains, no automobiles,
but other means of transport as well. Nellie Bly began

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her journey on this date, November fourteenth, nineteen ten, Eugene
b Eli became the first aviator to take off from
a ship. Is Curtis Pusher biplane lifted off the deck.
This is nineteen ten now of the USS Birmingham off
Hampton Roads, Virginia. This flight by a civilian pilot marked

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the beginnings of naval aviation. During World War II, Germany
bombed and destroyed much of the English city of Coventry.
The year was nineteen forty. Flasha had twenty years to
November fourteenth, and a six year old girl named Ruby Bridges,

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being escorted by federal marshals, became the first black child
to desegrate. Desegregate rather an all white elementary school in
New Orleans, Louisiana, nineteen sixty five. Our first known major
military engagement of the Vietnam War began with the United

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States Army starting the Five Day Battle of Idrang in
Southeast Asia. Apollo twelve blasted off for the Moon just
three months after eleven became the first manned mission to
land on it. The year was nineteen sixty nine. And
you talk about things that movies are made of, legends

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are made of. It happened on this date in nineteen
seventy a chartered Southern Airways plane crashed while trying to
land in West Virginia, killed all seventy five people, including
the Marshall University football team and its coaching staff. We
are Marshall Clash of the Titans and all of that.

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This is kind of interesting and kind of funny actually
by comparison with the stock market as we sit in
November of twenty twenty five, and where it is the
Dow Jones this date. In nineteen seventy two, the DJIA,
the Dow Jones industrial average closed above one thousand for

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the first time one thousand. Where are we sitting at
forty eight forty nine thousand today. Granted it's fifty three
years later, but that was a big deal in nineteen
seventy two. Another big deal on this date. In nineteen
ninety three, Dolphins head coach Don Shula became the NFL's

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winning as coach beat the Philadelphia Eagles. He finished his
thirty three year career in the National Football League with
three hundred and forty seven victories, nineteen in the postseason,
and of course that perfect season in nineteen seventy two
with the Dolphins. Famous folks celebrating birthdays Besides j Y

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of Styx, Britain's King Charles the Third is seventy seven. Today,
no kings in America, no matter what the mindless protesters
say or think they got one. In Great Britain, Yanni
is seventy one. The musician with the long flowing hair,

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five time Tour de France winner Bernard Hinault is seventy one.
Basketball Hall of Famer Jack Sigma is seventy Anybody remember
Jack Sigma. I think he played for Seattle the SuperSonics
back when there was such a thing. Or I just

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but a great player, No doubt he's a Hall of Famer,
but he's one of the names that gets omitted sometimes
from the great players of his era. Never won an
NBA Championship All Look who else is on the birthday list?
Run of Run dmc rapper and Reverend Joseph Simmons turned

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sixty one, as is news anchor Bill Hammer, Cincinnati's own
now the Fox News Channel anchor sixty one. Today, drummer
Travis Barker of Blink one eighty two celebrates five ozho
Rnessa Bayer, actress comedian is forty four, and tennis player

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Sophia Kennan or Keenan is twenty seven. If it's your birthday,
I hope it's the best birthday you can possibly imagine
and you get to spend it with family and friends,
doing the things you love to do with the ones
you love. Truly my wish for you, it's five thirteen.
We'll get you going. We've got a lot of stuff today.

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And sometimes when the host says we've got a lot
of stuff, well, I mean you have to have a
lot of stuff to fill four hours. It doesn't mean
it's good stuff. We got a lot of good stuff today,
including Tom Caldwell. You'll want to know who he is,
another survivor of the January sixth witch hunts, and his

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story is really different than a lot of other j
six ers you may have heard from. Also have Adam
Hardage talking about AI and how to protect our kids,
the next generation from the effects of artificial intelligence. David Magik,

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who has done extensive research. It's another JFK book. How
is it different from the others you may ask well,
listen and find out. And coming up at the bottom
of this hour, Vicky Lossandro, who was the president of
Cincinnati's chapter of VCAS it's the Veteran Companible Companion Animal Services.

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Try to combine those two words, Veteran Companion Animal Services
and it's really a unique charity what they're doing for veterans,
what they're doing for shelter animals at the same time,
and what they're attempting to do. And we'll talk about
that effort and plenty more good stuff between now and

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nine o'clock. Gary Jeff Walker in for Brian Thomas on
this Friday, November fourteenth. Great to be with you once again,
and as always, if you're up and you're moving around
and you've got something to talk about. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifty five hundred is the number to get in touch,
and I hope you do. It's the morning show. We

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continue in moments on fifty five KRC. The Talk station
is your retire Sunday of fifty one. It's forty three
now at fifty five KRC, the Talk Station five eighth
TGIF and Carrie jeff In for BT. Another one of

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our gas leader is a historian, Mark Lee Gardner, who
has actually been a lot of books written about the
Old West, historical tomes, fiction and non This is a nonfiction,
I would guess we'll find out later on this morning.
It's called Brothers of the Gun. It's a dual biography

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of Wyatt Earth and Doc Holiday. Thanks to Joe Strecker
for that, and thanks to Joe Strucker for showing up
like he always does well. City Council in Cincinnati approving
a new curfew zone for the short Vine area near
UC's campus yesterday, targeting young people who've been causing safety

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concerns in the business. You mean the young minor criminals
that are that are running around wreaking havoc, committing crime
and making people afraid for their lives and their possessions.
You mean that safety concerns. It was a unanimous vote

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and established a new curfew zone between Daniels and East
Corry Street on Short Vine. The council members said that
businesses and customers in that area need the restrictions. I
love this. I love when anybody uses the phrase at
the end of the day. And I always asked which

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day today, tomorrow, next week, sometime, Mika Owens cheeky Mika
Owens said, at the end of the day, we want
young people to be safe and when you were in
space where you should not be, you should be home.

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Well duh. Now, I'm not one of those people who
was going to consistently poo poo anything this council does,
even though that's very easy to do, or the mayor.

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I mean, they must be wildly supported. They got re
elected again even in the midst of all the carnage
of the last year or two on the streets of Cincinnati.
So I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna, says too little,
too late, not enough. How about actually effectively policing the

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areas in question instead of imposing curfews, Director of Public Safety.
But we'll just wait and see, won't we. It's kind
of like waiting for New York City to ultimately implode

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with a communists becoming the new mayor as of January first.
We'll see, but we know what the reaction has been
to this kind of government every time in the course
of human history, and it ain't good. So we'll see
if the new curfew restrictions. I mean, the city already

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had an eleven o'clock curfew for juveniles city wide. They
reduced the hours to nine pm for a large portion
of downtown, and now short Vine will see those same restrictions.
Nine o'clock, get them off the streets. Anyone under eighteen

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who was not accompanied by a parent or guardian, the
curfew requires them to go home before nine o'clock. According
to Seth Walsh, in effect for high schoolers in below.
So that's the intent there. Part of government is that
we're constantly reacting to what we're seeing out there. How

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about being proactive instead of reactive. Right now, we're seeing
a rise in criminal activity in the short Vine area.
Hopefully this is going to have an impact on that.
And Joe Strecker mentioned what about the street over from
short Vine. They'll just move them over there. Remember that

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brilliant plan, what was it to move the hookers out
of Clifton? And they just went somewhere. They went to
West Price Hill or something right across from Pete Woodie's place.

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We're going to impose these restrictions and this is going
to make everything better. This is going to make public
safety of priority. This is going to make citizens of
Cincinnati and Short Vine a lot safer by imposing this
curfew in these areas. Crime doesn't go away because you

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crack down in one place, It just moves. Of course,
this is in reaction again the City of Cincinnati, the
council being reactive instead of proactive and working on real solutions.

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There have been so many incidences of violent acts committed
by young thugs in Cincinnati, like the shooting in that
area Shortvine on Halloween night. Oh here's a surprise, you see.
Safety director said Tuesday they have seen fourteen and fifteen

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year olds mingling with college aided students and adults along
Short Vine. Well, that's nothing new. Fourteen and fifteen year
olds have been known to mingle with college students for
a long long time, but it didn't spark a crime spree.

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Let's the at East University in short Vine back in April,
the story recalling a twenty five year old man allegedly
shot and killed by a fifteen year old. Was that
fifteen year old allegedly put on trial? Was he convicted?
Was he allegedly incarcerated as he should have been for

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committing murder? Doesn't matter what the age is. Now, the
teens who re fuse to go home can be transported
to Seven Hills Curfew Center in the West End. Those
who commit crimes while violating the curfew will be taken

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to the juvenile detention facility in Mount Auburn. How about
a maximum security daycare? Some council members express concerns that
the curfew might push young people to other areas. Will

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you think didn't we just mention that? But supporters said
it's a good start to addressing safety issues of the district. Again,
I'll leave this story with a big fat wheel, See
it doesn't have. Let's say the odds in Vegas are

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not with the city's curfew. I mean, it's not looking good,
but who knows. The magic bullet of the nine o'clock
curfew is back in Cincinnati for those eighteen and under
or under eighteen, And I'm sure the people who are

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engaging in criminal activity be whatever age they are are
going to pay attention to the curfew like good little
boys and girls. It's five twenty six, fifty five KRCD
Talk Station. Vicki Lisandro from VCAS is up next.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
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Speaker 2 (18:48):
Forty three now at fifty five KRCV Talk States. It
is wonderful once again to speak to Vickylessandro, who is
the head. She is the head cheese man, she's the

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main girl at VCAS here in Cincinnati. And it's been
a while since we first talked when they were just
launching this incredible service for veterans. But it's Veterans Week
and I want to do a check back in and
see how the local chapter of the Veterans Companion Animal

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Service did I get it right? Yes, it was doing
first and foremost Happy Veterans Week. How's it going? You said,
you've been real busy.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Right, Vicky, We've been very busy. I just want to
take an opportunity to thank all the veterans for their
service and their families for their sacrifices to and we've
just we're very honored to be working with this group
of people who've given so much and that we feel

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like we can give something back to them, to a
companion animal.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, explain for people who did not hear the first
couple of times when we spoke, uh, what it is.
Vc A S does just just a mess.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah. We basically rescue dogs from shelters and pair them
with veterans who are who are struggling with PTSD anxiety depression, loneliness,
and we we we provide them with a companion animal.
Have found that animals can really just change.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Your basically your whole outlook on life.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
You know, we've we've seen veterans who really come back.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
From from being.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
In service and struggling and kind of being at the
lowest point in their life sometimes and they get an
animal and it gives them a whole new purpose. So
we are child to be able to do that for
our service service and veterans.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah. And and uh, you also have have done some
things with first responders as well, right, Vicky, No, right now.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Strictly are just not yet We're strictly just working with veterans.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's fantastic. So it's a two pronged rescue because you
are rescuing these shelter dogs, uh, and finding them homes
and then explain, explain the process how it works so
people understand what you do.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
We well, we've been doing some community outreach. We go
to the VA once a month and when the veteran
here's about our services. They sign up and let us
say they're interested in a dog.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
We go through a series of steps.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
They fill out an application, They let us know what
kind of dog.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
So we're very.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
You know, we work really closely.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
With the veterans to make sure that we're getting the
kind of animal that they want, not just a dog,
but if they need a really active dog or a
lap dog, what size dog they want, what you know,
long hair, short hair or whatever. So we then we're
working with four agencies we have signed on right now
for rescues to find that just that right dog. The

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dog goes into foster care for two to four weeks
to decompress from the shelter situation, and once the veteran
meets that dog and says that's my dog, we adopt.
We pay all the fees, We give them the everything
they need for the first year, vetting, leashes, dog bowls,

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We pay all the veterinary care for the first year. Yeah,
so we basically cover so there's no cost at all
to the vet for that first year, just to make
that transition easier for them and the dog.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
How many dogs have you been able to play so far?
Have you been able to place any dogs with veterans yet.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
VICKI, we were really close on one and it kind
of fell through, and we're getting very close on the
second one here. It's kind of a long process, and
it's it's something that, like I said, we're as concerned
about the dog getting in the right house if we
are about the veteran getting the correct dog for them. Sure,

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So it's a process that you know, they may think
that that's the right dog and do a meet and
greet with the dog and say that's that's not going
to work, or we're just not bonding and we will
start over with that veteran.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Then all right, you've got a fundraiser that you wanted
to tell folks about. Tell me about this fundraiser.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes, because we have a lot of costs involved with
every dog that you know, for that whole first year recovering.
We have an online auction going on right now. You
can get to it through the v cost Facebook page
or through v Costs Charity dot org, which is our

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web page, and we have about thirty five really nice
baskets and bundles. We have a signed guitar by David
Lee Rotha van Halen go. Yeah, so anybody who's a
Van Halen fan, you need this. We've also done a calendar,
just finished it up with some dogs of people we know,

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and we've got a veteran in there with her dog.
And that's also a fundraiser for us, just to raise
those funds, cover those costs, and get as many dogs
as we can into those homes.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, if you're covering the costs pretty much for any
veteran for one full year, that is not a lighthearted
under taking that. That is a lot of expense and
you need you need the backup. So how can people
once again get involved with v c A S. I
just thought it was the most wonderful thing in the

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world for veterans and for the dogs. And uh, if
people want to donate, if people want to participate in
the fundraiser again, how do they do that?

Speaker 4 (25:21):
They can go onto our website which is Veterans Oh
my gosh, I'm totally blanking out, which is vcost Charity
dot org. Okay, Or they can go to Facebook. There
is a Veterans Companion Animal Services Facebook page. There's a
link in there on that auction site. They can order

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calendars on the auction site if they're interested in getting
a calendar. We're always in need of foster families, So
if anybody's interested in when when we find that dog
and we pull it out of a shelter, we're looking
for foster families that will foster for two to four weeks.
And you know we'll always tick donations. So there's there's

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so many ways it really that you can help us
make this this possible for our veterans.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And it's VCAS or vodkas charity dot org. Yes, yes, okay, fantastic,
Vicky Lessandro. I wish you great success, especially on Veterans Week.
Let's get some dogs with some veterans and make both
of their lives more whole. It's a fantastic charity. I

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love it.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
We like to say we we rescue dogs to rescue vets.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's wonderful. Thank you, Vic.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
All right, all right, thank you, and thank you so
much for your support.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Take care, Ben, all right, we'll roll along here in
just a moment on a on a Veterans Week just
concluding fifty five, the talk station for the Claremont County
of Veteran Service talked to good God Garry Jeff Walker

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for Brian Town. Yeah, David Lee Roth signed guitar that
vcas is option? All right, man, I saw a video
of David Lee rock. It's not good. I mean today,

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why is it? And listen, there's nothing wrong with old
rock stars, and truly I say this, there's nothing wrong
with aging lesbians. But why do these aging rock stars
look more and more, especially the glam rockers look more

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and more like old women who enjoy rugby. They just
really do. And I'm not slamming rugby or lesbians or
old rock stars. Is saying they do look like we
Kings protesters five one three seven fifty five hundred at

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five forty three. Long time listener and longtime caller Tom
is back. Good morning Tom? How are you?

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (28:19):
Good morning Gary? Yeah? It's what do the kids say?
It's been a minute since since I talked to you.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
What it has because because Brian does not take enough
days off is the problem. I am always available, almost
always available for Joe Strucker to get you know through
through the grinder and call me and say, hey, we
need you. It's an emergency. Could you please break the

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glass and come in and here I am.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
So when when Joe's number comes up on your phone,
you immediately answer and you just say yes, what, It
doesn't matter what the requests.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's that's pretty much it.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Right on.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
He did ask if I could work this coming Monday,
but I'm doing my own show on another station Monday,
So it's just kind of like every once in a
while I'm too busy to answer the call. But usually
when Joe pulls my chain, the light comes.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
On, right off, right off.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So what's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (29:19):
Well, first of all, when you started to show, you
were listing people's birthdays and events and stuff like that,
and you mentioned the lady that wrote the novel Around
the World in Eighty Days and reminding me of it.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Reminded it was Nellie Bly and she was she embarked
on her journey on this day.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
Oh, that's okay, And it reminded me of John Connette,
the comedian you remember him, Vegas, very heavy set guy,
and he did he had a bit where he did
Around the World in eighty buffets. I thought that was
pretty funny. And anybody gets a chance to watch, look
up John Connette, very very far any comedian. I think

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he passed away in the late nineties or something like that,
but hilarious. The main reason I called is that people
are beating up on the old Chuck U Schumer and
because he wasn't able to maintain the shutdown any longer.
And and I obviously don't agree with probably anything he says,

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and I'm definitely not defending the man, but what was
he supposed to do with the eight senators that decided
to cross the aisle? How is that? How is that
his fault? It's it's his fault that they got into
the shutdown to begin with. Now that's a reason for
his career to end. But because eight senators crossed the isle,
now they're gonna all the rest of the liberals are

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going to blame him for that.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think it's a lot like I hate to quote AOC,
but AOC said it this week in the aftermath of
the government reopening. She said, the problem is bigger than
one man. This is part of the seed chain and
what used to be called the Democrat Party that's now
the Democrat socialist or communist party in this country, and
that is what it is transitioning into. Chuck Schumer does

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not fit that mold. He's an establishment swamp guy. Well,
you may not agree with any of what he says
or policies, or certainly the way he grills Burger's raw
with cheese on top. No, but you understand the old
guard is being pushed out by the Kamis. They have finally,

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they have finally usurped the Democrat Party and taken it over.
And they being the likes of Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Casio Cortes,
the Squad, the rest of the squad, and some of
these other socialist leaning senators. There are eight people that

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voted to reopen the government who happen to have d's
in front of their name, who are in moderate districts.
In other words, they're kind of like the last holdouts.
And they're either retiring so they don't have to face reelection,
or they're facing re election in a purple not a

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deep blue or deep hammer and sickle state. So they
were worried about being This was all about who's going
to be re elected. It's all about it's all about power.
It's not about the American people. They're supposed to work
for us, and and and they and they prove, they
prove time and time again that they're working for themselves

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and they're working to retain and accumulate more power.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Right, and they're and they're working for the party.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
Yeah, all these guys, all these guys are supposed to
be working for the people in their district or their senders,
people in the state. And obviously they don't. And you know,
we could accuse Republicans of the same kind of crack.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Sure, they may not.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
They may not do it for the same reason.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Except for except for Thomas Massey will have him this
morning at seven thirty.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Oh, I agree. And this is not a blanket statement
for every politician, but the vast majority of them. So
the problem with the Democrat Party is the Democrat Party
and because of the things that they come up with.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I'll I'll go, I'll go even farther, Tom, the
problem with the Democrat Party is that it simply does
not exist anymore.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Well, yeah, compared to what it used to be. I
wholeheartedly agree. I't I didn't necessarily agree with the old
Democrat Party either, but it's it's gotten way out of hand,
and it's it is a it is a serious, clear
and present danger to this country. Don't so for that
and many other reasons, don't vote Democrat.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Great, No, thank you, Tom. Don't worry about democracy, worry
about the Republic. It's five fifty five KRCV talk station
renew and refresh r S deep talk station. You know, generally,
I have no problem with flags, unless, of course, they're

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taking the place of the American flag, the stars and stripes.
I love the American flag. People have all kinds of flags.
I don't think that people should be protesting in this
country using flags from other countries, or protesting this country,

(34:37):
say with their Pride flag, for example, as a protest
against the United States of America. Guy in Florida last
week was in a Starbucks. There was a Pride flag
up at Starbucks. Again, it's not my flag. I don't

(34:59):
care if I ever I saw another Pride flag in
my life, but it doesn't bother me. There's a Pride
flag up at Starbucks, of all places. This is in
Saint Petersburg, Florida. But the man in question, Tucker Camp,
aged thirty one, was arrested for tearing the Pride flag
off the wall at the Starbucks after throwing his tea

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on the gay right symbol. And my message to Tucker,
age thirty one is that's what they do, Tucker. That's
what the lbgt QIA E I e IO activists do.
The militants, the trans militants, they engage in violence, they

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engage in vandalism. We don't do that. I think Tucker
found out that and apologized. After being fired from his
job at the Dignity Memorial funeral home chain, Kyle Supported

(36:06):
told a Starbucks manager. Starbucks manager, he was offended by
the flag in the fact that they should put up
an American flag. You can be offended all you want, Tucker,
but it's not your flag. You can't burn it, you
can't throw tea on it. It's in a place of business.
We don't and should not behave that way as conservatives,

(36:33):
as supporters of this country, as supporters of law and
order and the constitution, supporters of people like Charlie Kirk
who had his life violently taken from him by a
trans militant who engaged in violence, criminal activity, as they're

(36:55):
doing in Portland, Oregon, as they're doing in Broadview, Illinois,
as they're doing in numerous cities around the country where
Donald Trump is trying to fulfill the campaign promise of
deporting the worst of the worst illegal criminals. The left
does that. The left engages in violence. We don't. Again,

(37:23):
the rainbow is not my favorite symbol as far as
the Pride flag goes. But you can't go tearing up
somebody else's material just because you don't like it. Hmm.
It's not the h And certainly as a Christian, I don't.

(37:45):
I don't find that edifying at all. That didn't help anything,
and you lost your job. Oh well, live and learn, can't.
Hecken Lively, who's written a new book about the government's
cover up of you or UFOs whatever they're calling them
these days, is coming up right after the top of

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the hour on fifty five KRC the talk station.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Today's tough headlines coming up at Togo.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
Violent crime every Day.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
It is RUE fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Kent heck and Lively is a New York Times bestselling author, attorney,
science teacher, and now he's exposing deep state cover ups
in the explosive new book Catastrophic Disclosure. The Deep State,
Aliens and the Truth. It will be out next Tuesday,
on the eighteenth, and we're talking about it now. And
this coming on the heels of some pretty shocking congressional

(38:53):
hearing that happened in September, where to that point, never
before seen video showed a hellfire missile bouncing off of
a UFO off of Yemen's coast back in late October
of twenty twenty four and military whistleblowers testifying about retaliation
for reporting encounters with UFO's UAPs whatever you want to

(39:17):
call them. Again, this book will expose some government cover ups.
Why are they covering it up? What is being covered up?
And all of that yet to be fully answered. But Kent,
great to have you on this show. Welcome, How are you.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
I'm doing great, all right?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
So number one, have you always had an interest in
this particular subject?

Speaker 10 (39:44):
I have, you know, I think like most of the public,
I always have. But I always always say it's been
a recreational interest.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (39:53):
This is my twentieth book.

Speaker 10 (39:55):
I've never done anything on the wild side like this,
anything paranori. So you know, I usually stick to science.
I usually stick to technology media. But like a lot
of the public, in the summer of twenty twenty three,
when David Grush appeared in front of Congress and said
some rather remarkable things along with some other military people,

(40:19):
David Fraber, Ryan Graves. I said to myself, what is
going on? Because I know what it takes to testify
in front of Congress. You are thoroughly vetted before you
appear in front of Congress. So these were legitimate people.
They were making claims that sounded wild, But I thought
I needed to get to the bottom of this story.

(40:42):
And I was really fortunate that one of my good
friends is Michael Mazzola, who's probably the world's leading UFO
documentary filmmaker. So I called him up and I said, Michael,
what is going on with this story? And he said, Ken,
I'm really glad you asked me about that, because we're
hearing behind the scenes that while the military and intelligence

(41:04):
services want to do a controlled disclosure about UFOs, they're
worried about something called catastrophic disclosure. And I thought, well,
you know, I'm trained as an attorney, so you know,
you go to court, you raise your right hand, you say,
I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

(41:24):
nothing but the truth, and why is this subject different?
And he said, there's a lot that's happened behind the
scenes that they don't want to disclose.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
And I thought, well, you.

Speaker 10 (41:38):
Know, I've always got a nose for a good story,
and I thought, well, let me investigate, Congress, let me
talk to the leading experts in the field, people like
doctor Stephen Greer, people like Danny Sheehan, people like independent
journalist Michael Schollenberger.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
And let me create a news story.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
A reinterpretation of the UFO story in light of this
new information we've been learning.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well, we've been fascinated with this, or many of us
for almost eighty years, going back to Roswell in nineteen
forty seven and the initial claim that the army that
a flying saucer had crashed out in the desert, and
then it was a weather balloon, and then there were
all kinds of stories that were either made up or

(42:30):
suppressed ever since. I mean, that kind of began the
nation's fascination with this that still exists to this day.
And while the news about UFOs or UAPs, whatever you
want to call them, has not dominated the news headlines

(42:52):
like it did in other eras, it's starting to again
and it all came to light in this congressional hearing
back back in September of this year, right yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:04):
And so you know, one of the people who I
really got to know very well in the writing of
Catastrophic Disclosure is Congressman Eric Berlison, who released that video
of the hellfire and missile going after the UFO off
the coast of Yemen. And you know, Eric and I
kind of have the same sort of approach to these things,
which is, I can't tell you what's true, but we

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really have a good sense of when people are lying
to us.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And so.

Speaker 10 (43:32):
And you know, I really had a good time writing
this book trying to tell the narrative of UFOs, because
there are certain parts of the UFO story which didn't
make sense to me. Like I understood how people were
saying that the explosion of the first atomic bomb created
an interest in our species by these aliens, But I

(43:55):
was wondering to myself, Okay, I don't understand the Roswells
the Roswell story, because we blew up the first atomic
bomb in July fifteenth of nineteen forty five, right, and
it takes till July of forty seven for these craft
to show up, and that led me to a great
book by Jacques Valat and Paula Harris. Now your audience

(44:19):
will know Jacques Valai is one of the leading UFO experts,
but he claimed that there was a UFO crash earlier
than Roswell, basically one month after the explosion of the
first atomic bomb. It's called the Trinity Incident, and they
were just the crash UFO was discovered by two young
boys on horseback. And parts of the Roswell story didn't

(44:40):
make sense to me because when you read Roswell, it
seems like the military knew what they were doing with
crash retrieval. And you know, I'm a big you know,
I'm very interested in like organizational behavior, like how do
organizations respond to things? And as I was reading, I
was like, they know what they're doing. And when I

(45:03):
looked at the Trinity Incident, it was very much like
you would expect.

Speaker 9 (45:08):
This is the first time they knew what was going on.

Speaker 10 (45:11):
And what's really interesting about when you look at it
through that frame is we're the Japanese surrendered on August fifteenth,
nineteen forty five, and so I'm putting my mind in
myself in the mind of a World War two general.
You know, you go to bed on the night of
August fifteenth saying, Okay, this.

Speaker 9 (45:31):
Brutal four year war is over.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
And the next day you're going to work and your
adjutant comes up and says, hey, sir, we had something
crash in New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
What is it?

Speaker 9 (45:41):
Nazi? Is it? Is it Japanese?

Speaker 8 (45:43):
No, sir, it's none of those.

Speaker 9 (45:45):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
Then kind of this cover up makes a lot of
sense to me because you're still in the World War
two mindset.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, we have all of these conspiracies that surround what
are alleged to be government cover up. So you can
go back, obviously to the jfk assassination, which still it
grips people to this day and people question the official story.
And the UFO story is no different because it's gone

(46:15):
on and on and on with millions of people seeing
things that cannot be explained. And then you've got these
military members and whistleblowers who are claiming that they've had
retaliation against them for coming forward with information that the
top brass doesn't want the public to see.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
Yeah, and I think that you're exactly right about that.
And like I say, I've never seen a UFO, no abduction.

Speaker 9 (46:43):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 10 (46:44):
But I can't talk about this subject with friends without like,
you know, one or two of them going, hey, I
had an incident, and you know, it's like, yeah, my
longtime editor, Max Swofford, I've been working with them for
eleven years, and saiday, I'm doing a UFO book Max,
you know, and he goes, oh, have I told you
about my UFO experience?

Speaker 6 (47:05):
And it's like, this is.

Speaker 10 (47:06):
Somebody I've known for fifteen twenty years and suddenly he's
talking about it. And I think all of us who
haven't seen anything have had the experience of people we
know and respect and trust telling us these stories, and
so we're curious.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah. Indeed, the book is catastrophic disclosure the deep State
Aliens in the Truth. The author our guest Kent Heck
and Lively, and the book is out on Tuesday on
post Till Press. I wish you great success with the book, Kent,
thanks for coming on. Thanks lot carry you bet. We'll
continue in moments.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
This is Ted Cruz. Join me Sunday night at seven pm.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
On fifteen Highway Chuck Ingram on fifty five kr SE
the talk station.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
It is nineteen minutes past the hour on this Friday morning.
Gary Jeffen for Brian Thomas, I'm fifty five to RCV
talk station to claim five nine fIF If you were
one of the people who accused Kroger in particular price
gouging during the scam demic, the COVID scam demic, maybe

(48:17):
it wasn't Kroger and you were shopping at Kroger, but
many people, especially at the height of the scam demic,
found it hard to get ahead of let us at Kroger. Uh.
This is a story, of course, said the former Kroger buyer.

(48:40):
Pleading guilty to produce kickback schemes. Forty year old Mark
dis Bennett from Westchester pleaded guilty to charges related to
a kickback scheme that caused consumers to pay high prices
higher prices for produce. This is how it worked. Was
trying to understand this. I think I finally got a

(49:03):
handle on it. He was accused of disclosing to co
conspirator produce vendors the absolute highest price Kroker was willing
to pay for certain produce, so they could jack up
up to that level, even though they could have made
a profit. At a lower level, but not that kind
of profit, and so the prices for consumers on certain

(49:27):
produce items skyrocketed and dispent it. According to what they discovered,
Dispenant received more than one hundred and forty seven thousand
in kickback payments from the vendors. Pretty ingenious. I wonder

(49:50):
who's behind the price hikes in beef. That is a
multi layered kind of reason for beef prices being so
darn But we know about the produce. Now, why has
that salary costing me three dollars? It was this dude,

(50:12):
It wasn't Kroger. He was the third party buyer for Kroger. Well,
you know the ingenious thinking behind and inviting Ohio State
Highway Patrol into Cincinnati to help with law enforcement, mostly

(50:32):
traffic enforcement. It's paid off with twenty three felony arrests
so far since the middle of September. Yeah, that they
conducted five joint operations with Cincinnati police over five days,
had the helicopters up State troopers out in full force,

(50:55):
and they made twenty three felony arrests. When I heard
that they were going to be helping traffic enforcement in
Cincinnati to alleviate crime. I didn't know quite how that
was going to work, but apparently it worked pretty well
if they're making almost two dozen felony arrests in five

(51:18):
days time in five different operations. The police union passed
to vote of no confidence in Mayor purevol who sadly
the citizens of Cincinnati gave him the vote of confidence
and the votes at the ballot box. Just a week

(51:40):
and a half ago, the police chief, Theresa Thiji, placed
on leave. There's an interim chief and according to sources
the CPD, the police department continues to struggle with staffing.
According to the police union president Ken Kober, the department

(52:03):
has nine hundred and ten officers right now. The authorized
compliment is oney fifty nine, so they're down fourteen percent.
So as part of the solution to this, Governor Downe
offered for the Estate Patrol to come down to Cincinnati
for two days to conduct these joint operations. Officials said

(52:26):
from the beginning that residents would not be seeing large
numbers of state troopers on the streets. Officials said they
target known to armed offenders. You know, and here's the
thing about the criminals, and if you ask a law
enforcement officer. You ask a cop, he will tell you.

(52:47):
We know exactly who's committing the crime. We've arrested them
to no avail many times because of the revolving doors
or in the criminal justice system and liberal judges. The

(53:08):
fact is this partnership was launched and they were going
to target known armed defenders, which wasn't that hard to
do because the same finite number of people commit the
same crimes and different crimes, felonious, heinous crimes, over and

(53:32):
over and over again. The police know who they are.
Many cases, they know exactly where they are, and they
find themselves handcuffed for lack of a better term, to
exact justice and to ensure the safety of the public.

(53:55):
So when they started this out, a memo related to
the partnership said there was a desire to focus on
large drug seizures, organized crime, drug trafficking, firearms trafficking, drug
related violent crimes. The Highway Patrol has not highlighted many
arrests to fit that description. So the Ohio State Highway

(54:21):
Patrol has reported twenty three felony arrest as the article mentions,
served seven felony warrants, which means they arrested seven people
who were committing crimes before prior crimes. Among those were
two juveniles, a thirteen year old who fled from police
in a stolen car and caused a crash, and a

(54:43):
fifteen year old found with a gun one of them.
The other the adults that were arrested pulled over for
traffic violation found to have two felony strangulation warrants. A
guy you don't want on the streets. Somebody who was
located using the Highway Patrols helicopter during an investigation into

(55:05):
the assault on a police officer. He's charged with assault
on an officer, robbery and resisting arrest. Somebody else who
has stopped for multiple traffic violations. The troopers said. He
was found with a weapon, charged with operating under the
influence and improperly handling the gun. And it goes on
and on and on. All the cases still working their
way through the courts, and we'll see what the ultimate

(55:27):
outcomes of those are. If proven guilty, are they going
to jail for any length of time. But it's the
same people over and over and over again. Most of
the time. Not a lot of newbies, except maybe the
thirteen year old and the fifteen year old, but they're

(55:48):
just in training, as they say, six twenty seven. Coming
up next Adam Hardage, who has written a new book
called The Alpha Blueprint on how to prepare the next
generation for the great wave of AI that's about to
sweep over all of us. As we continue this morning
on fifty five KOC the talk station, Adam Hartage is

(56:17):
joining us now. Adam is an ex CIA ops officer,
as I just mentioned, and has written a book called
The Alpha Blueprint. It is out now. It is selling well.
And if you want to know the real inner workings
of how our intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, led by
John Brennan, tried to totally take down a president and

(56:40):
the country and he's he I wouldn't say he knows
where the bodies are buried, but he knows who's had
their hands on the shovels Adam Hartage, Welcome to the show.
How are you?

Speaker 9 (56:54):
I'm well sure, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Great here the Alpha blue Print. But what is the
gist of this tone sir?

Speaker 11 (57:03):
Yeah, so it is a father's guide to the next
generation on how to prepare them for entering a world
driven by AI, where it is almost impossible to discern
truth from fiction and where AI has an essence democratized
PhD level of intelligence worldwide for about twenty bucks a month.

(57:26):
So it's a guide for the next generation on how
to maintain their own individuality, to find their God given
purpose in life, and to stay relevant in a world
that's trying.

Speaker 9 (57:38):
To make them a copy of a copy.

Speaker 11 (57:41):
So it's a love letter from a father to the
next generation. And it's designed for families to step into
this most difficult conversation where parents are trying to figure
out how to guide their kids into a.

Speaker 9 (57:56):
World where jobs are going.

Speaker 11 (57:58):
To be going away faster then they can probably change
their college majors.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
So, well, how does this tie in to what you
call the security state aristocracy?

Speaker 11 (58:11):
And yeah, Well, so I look at the world through
a bit of a jaundice lens because I was a
military officer.

Speaker 9 (58:20):
In the Global War on Terror era.

Speaker 11 (58:24):
So I was I graduated from the Air Force Academy
in nineteen ninety seven and then as Air Force guide
and then I went over to the Army Special Forces
and then got picked up by the intelligence community to
go be a clandestine operations officer. And so I've served
in four Wars, and I've been around the world quite
a bit and I speak a few languages, and it's
really colored my perception of reality.

Speaker 9 (58:45):
And the world.

Speaker 11 (58:47):
And when I look at the emerging technology of AI.

Speaker 9 (58:50):
It makes the ability.

Speaker 11 (58:52):
To deceive people and to hide the truth very, very easy.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
And so I'm trying to arm the next generation with.

Speaker 11 (59:02):
The abilities to see through the lies and to come
up with some real practical steps that they can have
and that their parents can give them to maintain, you know,
sanity in a frankly.

Speaker 9 (59:14):
Insane, upside down world. And this relates to the deep
state and.

Speaker 11 (59:18):
To the to the greater security architecture that we've seen
around the world, because if you just look at the
lie that was COVID, and I'm not saying that COVID
was not an actual disease.

Speaker 9 (59:29):
I'm not saying that it did not exist. What I'm
saying is.

Speaker 11 (59:33):
The coordinated global response to the disease, to the pandemic
is what people should be paying attention to, because that
was a globally coordinated information operation simply designed to take
down a sitting president Well and.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And Well and Adam when they come out. And there
are alternate views of treatment and all of that is
censored and people are losing their medical practice. This is
because they're saying, you know, no, you shouldn't be. You
shouldn't be you know, innovating people at this rate, there

(01:00:09):
are other treatments besides just incarcerating people in hospital rooms
and letting them die and there. You know, there are
so many things about that whole period of time that
I railed against without the Afoor knowledge.

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
Yeah, let's talk about that, because at the time running
I was, I had actually been fired by the CIA
in twenty seventeen after Director Brennan came into the station
and basically told us that we didn't need to listen
to the incoming President Trump forty five. And I lost
my mind and raised holy hell about that because it's

(01:00:50):
a it's against the oath of office.

Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
B it's unconstitutional. There's a whole lot of problems that
I had with it.

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Any rate, I was kind of shown the door by
the agency that and for another thing about that had
to do with the very program that Director of National
Intelligence Tulcy Gabbert discussed at her confirmation hearing, which inquiring
minds want to know they can go back and watch
her confirmation hearing.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
I know that we're limited on time, so I'll move on,
but I will say that.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
So I started running a telehealth company in twenty seventeen,
and when the pandemic hit.

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
We saw very quickly that they that the government was
forcibly removing.

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
Evidence and healthcare providers that were trying to provide known
therapeutic treatment that would that would either cure or correct
the disease that I mean, we're talking about the hydroxychloroquin
and ivermac no multi vitamins I had.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I had those healthcare professionals on the air at the time,
and thankfully I was allowed to, you know, have them
on disseminate that information. But it was roundly poo pooed
by all the establishment sources, and you know, I was
I was regarded by people I even worked with as
some kind of kook because I wasn't adhering to the narrative.

Speaker 11 (01:02:16):
Yeah, listen to this, and that's I go into this
in the book a lot too, because I'm trying to
help kids figure out how to discern truth and understand
when they're.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
Being manipulated and lied to. So check this out.

Speaker 11 (01:02:27):
When I went on national news and I called the
pandemic for what it was, and I was immediately canceled.
Our company was ultimately destroyed. But I mean when I
say canceled, like we could not run ads on Google.
I was banned from Facebook, from Twitter, from Instagram. We
lost our corporate insurance, We lost all of our contracts

(01:02:50):
with the Defense Department, of which we had already won
a dozen contracts.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
We lost them all. We lost our corporate insurance, we
lost the ability process credit cards twice, we.

Speaker 11 (01:03:01):
Were deplatformed across every single thing. But the most amazing
part of it all was how reality could change faster
then we could even respond to it as a company.

Speaker 9 (01:03:12):
And this was before the advent of AI. Right now,
we live in a.

Speaker 11 (01:03:15):
World which is hyper hyper hyper informationally skewable, if you will.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
And it's become very very difficult for people to even
know what is real or which way is up.

Speaker 11 (01:03:28):
So that is why I wrote this book, The Alpha Blueprint,
and I highly recommend everyone get a copy of it,
because this is a conversation that every parent needs to
be having with their kids, like how are you what are.

Speaker 8 (01:03:40):
You going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Mom?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
And dad?

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
You know, my daughter is ten years old, my son
is seven years old. What am I going to tell them?

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
Go get a fortune five hundred job and work for
thirty years and expect that Medicare and Social Security are going.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
To be there for you.

Speaker 11 (01:03:53):
I don't think that world exists anymore. And so since
AI is replacing jobs faster, then.

Speaker 9 (01:03:59):
They can even create manuals to tell the robots what
to do.

Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
People have to figure out how to find their divine
spark and how to really stay real in a world
that is trying to make anything but real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Very scary stuff, and I'm glad that there's somebody out
there shining a light and warning people and letting people
know that there's another way. Adam Hartage is that guy.
The book is the Alpha Blueprint. It's out now, right, Adam.

Speaker 11 (01:04:28):
Yeah, it's out and now it's on Amazon dot com.
And I want to give a shout out to General Flynn,
America's General mild boss, who was kind enough to write
the forward for the book and endorse it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
So if anybody's wondering about either the credibility of the
book or the.

Speaker 11 (01:04:42):
Information that's in there, General Flynn should put their mind
at ease. So you know, I love God, I love America,
I love freedom and the truth. And that's what I
stand for and I will fight for it while I
have breath in my lungs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Amen. Brother, thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:04:58):
Absolutely, thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
And God bless God, bless you again. That's Adam Hartage.
The book The Alpha blue Print, something that you need
to look at and pass along to the next generation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Fifty five KRC.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I knew it was a bomb, the second nature. So
the question this morning is how is your Atlantic meridianal
overturning circulation or AMOC? And last time I checked, mine
was fine. But according to a new study published in

(01:05:37):
a journal known as the Communications Earth and Environment and
Apocalyptic Prediction, Yeah, here's another climate change is going to
end the Earth as we know it. A key Atlantic current,
the Gulf Stream, which is the actually the scientific name

(01:06:00):
is the Atlantic meridianal overturning circulation. I bet you fit
that into a sentence today. A key Atlantic current, the
Gulf Stream, could be pushed to the brink of collapse
within decades, ushering in a new ice age and dramatically
raising sea levels. How many times have we heard the

(01:06:23):
predictions of doom and gloom and dire environmental results because
of climate change. There was a collaboration between researchers at
the Institute of Oceanology in the Chinese Academy of Sciences
and the University of California, San Diego, and the current

(01:06:50):
it includes the Gulf Stream runs from the Gulf of
Mexico to the US East Coast and across the Atlantic
to Europe. This study or this research says that the
source of this marine temperature regulator, the Greenland Ice Sheet,
is being thought amid warming temperatures, causing meltwater runoff to

(01:07:11):
lead or leach into the North Atlantic, leading to stagnation.
And if none of this is alarming you yet, well
you've learned, haven't you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
You.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
We have all been through the wood chipper of climate
alarmism so many times. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome,
and most of us who have any sense at all
aren't listening anymore because there's always flawed data. It's either

(01:07:47):
going to be boiling or we're going to go into
a new ice age. They've been making these wild predictions
ever since the early nineteen seventies when we were headed
for a new ice age, and then it was all
about gloom of warming, and they had certain certain years

(01:08:08):
this was gonna happen within the next twelve years. If
we don't, even if we do something drastic, this is
gonna happen by twenty twenty or twenty ten or nineteen
seventy five. It's just it's such a joke, and it

(01:08:30):
all revolves around the paid for claim that man's activity
and fossil fuels are fueling climate change. What has always
happened on this earth And some of the people who
are still falling for this nonsense will tell you, yeah,
but it's never happened this fast. Really, what about the

(01:08:55):
mini ice age in the seventeen hundreds. It happened pretty fast.
So apparently there's a distinctive temperature fingerprint, according to this study,
located between three two and eighty to over a mile

(01:09:17):
six fifty sixty sixty five sixty feet below the ocean's surface.
So anyway, the AMOC, the Atlantic Ma Dianal overturning circulation
is changing and we all need to put up windmills.

(01:09:42):
Whoever is paying for this is dictating the data and
the computer modeling that spits out the false data. Most
of us have learned to ignore, but this is the latest.
Just so you know, I'm worried that my amok has

(01:10:03):
run amock six forty eight fifty five KRC the talk station.
This is the time of the year most of us
are checking off. There is this report out and this
is not new information. Apparently I didn't notice the story
last year. For the second straight year, about one in

(01:10:26):
five Americans said they would like to leave the US
and move permanently to another country if they could. In
twenty twenty five, the year of Our Lord, forty percent
of women age fifteen to forty four said they would
move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity, four times

(01:10:49):
higher than the ten percent who shared this desire eleven
years ago in twenty fourteen, which shod that was usually
in line with other age and gender groups. I have
never had the desire to go to another country, and
as a result, as a matter of fact, I've never
been to another country. I mean, there are places I'd

(01:11:11):
like to see, but you know, I watched the Travel
Channel when they don't have some stupid paranormal thing on,
you know, so I can travel vicariously. Loved watching Anthony
Bourdain and is no reservations going to distant lands, eating

(01:11:31):
exotic food, and seeing the sights of a beautiful beach
or a volcano or whatever he was visiting at the time.
That's about the extent of my travelogue. I like the
good old us of a But apparently there's been a
sharp rise, especially in younger women wanting to leave the

(01:11:54):
United States. And I'm going to say something that not
going to get me in trouble at my age, because
I mean, unless it's a daughter or a granddaughter, I
have no interest in younger women. My wife is listening,
she'll be glad to know this. And she is a

(01:12:15):
younger woman. I mean she's not fifteen to forty four,
but she's younger than me. That's as young as I
need to get right there. So I mean, if a
bunch of gen Z women left the country, the result,
the effect for me would be the same thing as
Rosie O'Donnell leaving the country or or whomever sizza. I mean,

(01:12:45):
if they want to go, go, but if they think
that there's a place that's better on the globe for
personal aspiration, for opportunity, for happiness, well they've been misled
by tik Tok and Taylor Swift. That's all I got

(01:13:06):
to say about that. It's six fifty five. Coming up
after the news break, we'll have Tom Caldwell. Tom Caldwell
is a January sixth survivor. No, he wasn't part of
the DC Metropolice or in Congress, and know he did

(01:13:29):
not commit any violent acts and yet still spent fifty
days in solitary confinement and his life was ruined all
because he was a supporter of President Trump. His story
slightly varies from other people who are arrested at the
Capitol that day, and he will tell a portion of

(01:13:51):
it and plug his book right after seven o'clock Gary
Jeff Walker and for Brian Thomas at six fifty six
at fifty five KRC, the talk station.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Today's top headlines coming up at the top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
It's a conversation with the decorated Navy Lieutenant Commander Thomas E.
Called Well, a man in his sixties, disabled VET living
peacefully on his Virginia farm when the FBI executed a
pre don swat raid. What were the charges against Tom
called Well? That he was a leader of the oath

(01:14:33):
keepers who stormed the Capitol and hunted down members of
Congress on January sixth. Tom was never a member of
the oath Keepers. He never entered the Capitol, he never
planned an attack. The government has admitted in the aftermath
of all of this that this didn't happen, but not

(01:14:55):
before Tom spent over fifty days in solitary confinement endeared
e years of prosecution and persecution. He has a book
he says he started writing it the day he got
out of solitary confinement, called The Mouths of the Wicked,
a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory.

(01:15:17):
It is out now and we have its author. Lieutenant Commander.
Welcome to the Nightcap.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
How are you, Thank you, mister Walker. It's a pleasure
to be with you and Sharon and I here in
our humble place in the valley of Virginia. Are just
fine and dandy, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Oh, first and foremost, what did you think about your
governor's race that just concluded?

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
Well, I'm disappointing here in Virginia. And if people look
at a map of Virginia, they'll see so much of
this beautiful state is solidly conservative and Christian conservative. Accept
in places where you would expect a concentration of people
on the grift and on the government goal in Fairfax,
all church right across the Potomac from DC. This is

(01:16:04):
a it's a rough time because the incoming governor has
made it clear that she's anti gun, she's pro abortion,
she's anti women's rights, pro men in little girl's locker rooms.
It seems like the devil has the people by the
throat in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Well, we are still living in that world. We're living
in a fallen world, but we know how it ends ultimately,
and that's the positive thing that we can grab a
hold of.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Correct Indeed, indeed, and I'll tell you, as you well
know and your listeners will be interested to know, my
story is very different the story of any other January
sixth defendant that you've ever heard from. Even if people
think that they know something about my case because they
did a Google search, I can tell you that all

(01:16:52):
they have seen is stuff that is totally false, invented
by the prosecutors, and most of the time blown away
during a ten and a half week jury trial that
I was subjected to. In the book, I talk about
things that have been actively kept away from the American public.
As you pointed out, I didn't do anything on January sixth.

(01:17:13):
In fact, my wife and I were together every moment
of the day. We went only to hear President Trump
give his last address, and also to hear a myriad
of other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled to
appear that day and talk to the crowd. The FBI
did zero investigation on me before they sent the SWAT

(01:17:34):
team here. And when Sharon was able to get a
lawyer who wanted to help a January sixth defendant, after
she came up with a six figure retainer for the guy,
and I'm looking at him through bulletproof last in my
solitary confinement dungeon chain handed book. He looked at me

(01:17:55):
and he said, you know, Tom, the DOJ knows you're innocent,
but they don't care. Now that's chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
How do you think you got on this list of theirs? Tom?

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
I am a member of the Oath Keepers, who, as
you are well aware, are not a white supremacist group.
They are a community activist group that helps in times
of natural disasters. During the summer of twenty twenty, they
came to start doing some security work for conservative and
Christian speakers who are being attacked by Antifa, especially in Washington, DC.

(01:18:31):
Most of the oath Keepers are veterans, of course, and
I met one, actually, a young lady who had served
with a Ranger battalion in the Sandbox in Afghanistan, the
kind of person I have a lot of respect for,
and being an old guy, and I said, you know
what it says at Romans twelve, we're supposed to practice hospitality.

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If you ever get broken down in DC, give a call.
Our farm is not that far away. And she walked
away with my phone phone number in her phone and
my first name, but she couldn't even remember my last name.
That's how casual our meeting had been. But she remembered,
and she did what many veterans do. They refer to

(01:19:14):
each other by the rank that they held on active duties.
So sure enough, in her phone, the listing became Commander
Tom because I was a lieutenant commander.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
In the NAB.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
When they they flashbanged her apartment a week or so
after January sixth, only because she was a member of
the Oathkeepers, they scooped up her phone and mister Walker
within two hours of getting her phone, an FBI special
agent had a Federal judge's signature on a warrant for
my arrest as Commander Tom, the commander of the oath

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keepers and the mastermind of January sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
You were a lieutenant commander in the navy. But because
she wrote Commander Tom, apparently you're the one who's who's
making all the calls and planning whatever that they concocted,
that they dreamed up or they lied about. What did
the FBI tell you, if anything, on the morning of
the swat rate on your farm? What did they say?

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
Well, I submitted to a three hour interrogation. Some would
call it a gestapo grilling because I didn't have anything
to hide, and during that time they accused me of
doing this and that. And yet they had scraped all
of the pictures that I had taken off, you know,
on January sixth. They were all on my phone. My

(01:20:35):
wife and I took over two hundred photos, sometimes crowd shots,
sometimes selfies, videos, and we went through them and they
were accusing me of all this twaddle, and I said,
can you show me any violence here? Can you show
what part of the day are you talking about. It
got to the point where they knew they had made

(01:20:55):
a mistake. And they were busy, and they were texting
the Department of Justice saying and what do he want
us to do with this guy? But the Department of
Justice was still hard over. One of the things that
really bugged me during that interrogation was to find that
the hatred for veterans, of course I did almost twenty
years day per day on active duty in the Naty,

(01:21:16):
was palpable. They said, well, you know, you military people,
you just kill people. You're just a violent bunch of people.
Then they got into the well, I guess you're sorry
that you supported President Trump. Now, huh. All of this
stuff is recorded in the transcripts of the video that

(01:21:36):
they surreptitiously took of my three hour interrogation. I'm telling you,
there's so much stuff here in this book, mister Walker.
People are going to say, what are.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
You kidding me?

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
And I will tell you this is not a woe
is Knee story, and it's not a revenge story. But
I wanted to share my wife and my story and
what I hope readers will finally be a compelling a
first person style. I think people sometimes do read books
nowadays if they're different and there's a real story and

(01:22:07):
I'll tell you what. As an intelligence officer by trade
and training, you better know that I bring the receipts
and I expose a multi agency plot. There's intrigues, fear, pain,
courtroom stuff, stuff will make you laugh out loud, and
miracles provided by the Lord. Because in the final analysis,

(01:22:28):
during this entire time in this country, justice is just us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Tom Caldwell, if you will indulge me, I'm going to
take a quick break and come back and just a
few more questions I had. The book is The Mouths
of the Wicked, a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution,
survival and victory. The author is a veteran Navy Lieutenant
Commander Tom Caldwell, who was terribly mistreated by people in

(01:22:59):
a rogue justice system in this country. That was, obviously
and the most telling thing you just said, Tom, was
I bet you're glad, I bet you're you're sorry now
that you supported Donald Trump, because that's what it was
all about. We'll take a break and come right back
more with Tom Caldwell.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Next fifty five KRC King fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Five KRC the talk station.

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
I hear the train of coming, it's rolling around Apin
and I seen the sunshine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Since I don't know where I'm stuck in pulls in
prisons and time keeps dragging on, but that train keeps
the rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Talking to Navy Lieutenant Tom Caldwell, author of The Mouths
of the Wicked, the True January sixth Story. His January
sixth story of how he was lied about false charges
put him in solitary confinement for fifty days before he
was finally exonerated after much expense and time taken away

(01:24:19):
from his life for no reason. Tom, I've heard others
horror stories about the dc gulag and being placed in
solitary confinement. Give us a thumbnail sketch on your incarceration.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
I was not taken to what they call the DCG
but I was taken to probably the nastiest prison in
the state of Virginia. It's called the Central Virginia Regional
Jail in a little town that sounds nice, Orange, Virginia.
And from the time I got in there, I was
selected for special handling, and my world became sleeping on

(01:24:55):
a concrete floor with icy cold air blown on me
all the time. Four solid walls, free concrete and one
a solid steel door, and that was my world, and
in there, just like in the outer limits, they controlled
the horizontal and the vertical, so they had the ability
to manipulate me with sound and screams and flashing lights

(01:25:19):
and of course the favorite of darkness when they turn
out the lights four days at the time.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
It's really really tough.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
I think, long enough timeline, everybody's sanity might go to
zero in a situation like that where your only actual contact,
physical contact with people is a physical beating. For worse.
The prouty in the prison is just part of the story,
but it's an awful It was an awful part of

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the story.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Were you denied legal assistance at the first time.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
The judge at my first bail hearing, which was a farce,
ask me, quite blank how much money you have in
the bank and I said, I don't know. I might
have a couple thousand dollars. She says, oh, that's enough.
You go get an attorney. But the problem is when
you're in solitary, how do you get an attorney. My wife,
while I was going through hell, was going through her
own help. She was trying to come up with the

(01:26:14):
money to find an attorney to get her husband out
and she knew this is a good situation for us.
Maybe not every other January sixth or had this situation,
but she knew I was in She didn't have to
be convinced because we were together in lockstep that entire
day and did nothing wrong. So she was trying as
hard as she could to save her man, knowing that

(01:26:35):
this was going to be a long, long battle against
these people. And even when I got out, the dirty
tricks kept coming, and they did their best to drive
us into bankruptcy. And my wife is a wonderful, wonderful lady,
and she said, you know what, there are a lot
of people that are taking plea deals. You and I
both know you're not going to do that, because you

(01:26:55):
don't swear to something you didn't do, and we don't.
She said, I don't if we lose everything we have,
which we pick came close to but we didn't, or
we have to live in the back of a car,
which we also didn't, Thank goodness. But she says, we're
going to find a hammer and tong all the way,
and that's what we did. It's only recently that I've

(01:27:17):
been able to talk about this because of the restrictions
that were put on me by the government, and even
with President Trump's personal pardon for me, not on the
day where he pardoned so many, but it came after
that when they really looked at what had been done
to me, not that there's going to be any recourse

(01:27:37):
and he pardoned me. You know, there's not any real restoration.
I am forever marred with the modern day equivalent of
the Scarlett letter J six. So my reputation is ruined.
But you know what, I'm free. I've had a lot
of time to think about this. I've chosen my words
carefully and they're here in the book, and there's stuff

(01:27:58):
like you have never hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I cannot believe that there's no recourse for you to
sue them, to uh be be compensated for your lost time,
the ruination of your reputation, like you said, being tarred
and feathered and being left with that scarlet letter of
J six on you. Uh. I just there's something that's

(01:28:24):
just so unjust about it, even from true even from that,
even from that standpoint, it's obviously all unjust, all false,
all made up. But there's an unjustness in the fact
that you haven't been made a whold.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
Tom well, that's true, and you know, I knew that
when this book came out, I was opening myself up
and that's true. The same the same lies that still
exists out there on the internet are just being recycled
and thrown at me things that we disproved.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
And that's okay.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
Uh, it was in important to tell the story. Some
people would say, hey, you dodge the bullet. Yeah, maybe
I did, But shouldn't I shine a flashlight in the
face of a gunman so that people would know what happened.
But in terms of being restored, the law says that
the prosecutors at the Department of Justice are the members

(01:29:19):
of the judiciary, all of the judges that heard these cases,
including mine in the DC circuit. They all operate under
a thing called absolute immunity, which is codified into law,
and that means they cannot be sued, so they can
lie and cheat and steal and falsify evidence like they
did in my case on suborn perjury, which they did,

(01:29:42):
and participate in witness tampering and every dirty trick you
can imagine, including having my Social Security stopped, having my
military medical benefits stop, and by extension, my wife's too.
Everything they could do to try to get me to
come and sign a piece of paper. These are things
that are going to be exposed when people read the book.

(01:30:04):
But you know that's the law. That stuff's been out
there for a long long time. Most people like you
and I were never exposed to the inner workings, the
dirty part of the lawfair and the weaponization. So now
we can put a real face on it. I want
to stay in my lane. I don't talk about everybody
else's chase at length, but when you see what we've

(01:30:26):
got documented, you're just going to want to tear your
hair out. And the laws that exist to protect these
people to do whatever they want to do for political gain,
for professional gain, and monetary gain, well those things need
to change. But I don't know how you and I
go about doing that, mister Walker.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Well, at least it's being exposed to the sunlight of
your book and conversations like this one. Again, there are
some who insist on due process, for example, for illegal
immigrants like Abrigo Garcia accused of of, you know, human trafficking,
and there's evidence to that, and people with known criminal backgrounds,

(01:31:06):
people with multiple not only charges but convictions, and the
question remains is where was Tom Caldwell's due process?

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
You know, my wife Sharon and I we we sit
here sometimes and we don't we don't hang on every
word or on the newscasts in the evening. We have
other things to do. Sure, but we'll we'll see something
like what you just mentioned, and she'lter to me and
she'll say, where where was Where were your rights? Where
was your due process? Why did why didn't you get

(01:31:37):
Chris van Holland to come and take you out for
margaritea those kinds of things, And it's just, you know,
we just kind of get a right smile and I
laugh together, as a loving husband and wife will tend
to do. But I'll tell you what, there's no way
that we could have gotten through this without our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Amen.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
I hope that we make a strong enough statement about
that in the books. The miracles that came out during
the story that kept me from going back into prison,
possibly for life. Your listeners need to know. They wanted
to put me in prison for the rest of my life.
It is charged me with felonies.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Oh jeez, The Mouths of the Wicked, The True January
sixth story of Corruption, Persecution, survival and victory. It is
out now. The author Tom Caldwell. I am so glad
you're a freeman and I hope maybe this book will
go some ways to making your life better, Tom, when
people read your story and they understand. Thank you again

(01:32:39):
for your time, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Well, thank you so much. If people do want to
find the book and want to find out what really happened,
you can find the book at Puffin Publishers dot com.
That's Puffin like the Seabird pu f fi N Publishers
dot com. And I think you'll be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Very well. God blessed.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
Thank you very much of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
God bless you, Tom Caldwell. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Fifty five KRC.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
The talk station A minute of hope is brought to
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a January sixth survivor Tom Caldwell to a survivor so
far in the fourth District in Northern Kentucky. My Congressman
Thomas Massey joins us for a few minutes on this
Friday as a favor to me, and I really appreciate it.

(01:33:30):
Congressman Massey, how are we this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:33:34):
We're doing good. I've had my first cup of coffee
and I'm ready to go at it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
All right, So my first question is, are you glad
that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats took some heat off you?
Because they're all calling it the Schumer and the Democrat
has shut down of the government, and I've not heard
your name mentioned as a nay vote on the CR
or anything else.

Speaker 12 (01:34:00):
Well, you know, they called it the Schumer shutdown. I
called it the Epstein recess because Congress. You know, normally
when the government shuts down, Congress is in session working
on the solution. But for six weeks we've been in recess.
And the net effect of that recess was to delay

(01:34:21):
the swearing in of the two hundred and eighteenth signature
that I needed to force a vote on releasing the
Epstein files.

Speaker 8 (01:34:29):
But to your but.

Speaker 12 (01:34:30):
Before we switched to that, I want to address your point. Yes,
I did not vote for the Continuing Resolution that kicks
the canda January. And I'll tell you why. What happened
was ridiculous on both parts, on both parties, the Republicans
and the Democrats. I feel like it was a fake

(01:34:51):
fight over nothing. The Republicans opening offer back in September,
which they held for the same position for six weeks
and just voted for, was Joe Biden's budget. The Republicans said, here,
let's just do a continuing resolution. Now, a continuing resolution
means you do the same thing this year, any per penny,

(01:35:14):
dollar for dollar that you did last year. So the
Republicans said, let's do Joe Biden's budget this year, and
the Democrats said, no, we want more. And so that's
what the fight was over over the as far as
the funding goes for the last six weeks. And so
what I think you can take away that you know,
reporters have asked me, what can Republicans take away from

(01:35:37):
this six week fight? I said, well, you can take
away that if your opening offer is Joe Biden's budget,
that you can win a shutdown fight with the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:35:52):
Well, and by the way, there was one very onerous
provision added to this continuing resolution, and that was a
ban on certain hemp derivatives, certain hemp products. And I
think although there probably needs to be regulation on the
hemp products that are psychoactive, that should be done at

(01:36:15):
the state level. And even if you wanted to do
it at the federal level. There was way to do
it without banning everything and destroying an entire industry in Kentucky,
which is what I'm afraid this bill will do. They
added that into the Continuing Resolution, a ban on certain
HMP products.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
You know what taught about that, Thomas, is that hemp
from the very foundations of this country was it was
a It was a prime agricultural product. I mean, George
Washington grew hemp. The founding fathers, many of them who
were who were farming anyway, we're growing hemp, and it

(01:36:55):
was a vital part of their whole portfolio. And and
then there's this move afoot to stamp hemp out of
the of the legal framework of the economy. Do you
find that odd? I do?

Speaker 12 (01:37:12):
I do find it odd. And you know for people
I'm running for reelection that but people say, well, what
have you gotten done? Well, one of the things I
got done in twenty thirteen, and this came out in
the twenty fourteen Farm Bill, was still legalized industrial hemp.
And that was an amendment to the Farm Bill that

(01:37:33):
I offered with Jared Polis and Earl Blumenauer, and it
got passed, it made it into the Farm Bill, and
they started We started growing hemp in Kentucky in twenty
fourteen for the first time, you know, in maybe fifty
or sixty years.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
Since it was banned.

Speaker 12 (01:37:50):
But they expanded that program in I think it was
twenty eighteen whenever the next Farm Bill came up. And
then there werercial products that were psychoactive that were derived
from HIM Delta nine and other things and people. You know,
they've been abused, I do believe, but states have stepped

(01:38:11):
in and started regulating that, and I don't think we
needed this total ban which was implemented here in this
continuing resolution.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
What did you think of Agriculture Secretary brook Rollins claim
that says twenty nine states uncovered nearly two hundred thousand
people with dead people's Social Security numbers, and then twenty
one states are suing to keep their data hidden. I
think one of the most telling things for me and

(01:38:42):
a lot of other people with the government shutdown is
when we found out that one in eight Americans are
receiving Snap benefits forty two million people. I thought that
was absurdly high. What do you think about.

Speaker 12 (01:38:54):
That, Well, it's a lot higher in some Kentucky counties.
I asked a couple of years ago, I asked the
owner of a grocery store here in Lewis County what
percent of their revenue with food stamps? And they told
me forty percent? And I was shocked. Forty percent, not

(01:39:15):
fourteen four zero percent the revenue was from EBT cards.
You know, I think there are the people who need
what the program stands for, supplemental nutrition assistance program. Maybe
I do need another cup of coffee. I need some
supplemental caffeine to get those words out. But you know,

(01:39:38):
we don't normally say what these acronyms stand for. But
that's what SNAP stands.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:39:44):
I have always been a proponent that we shouldn't be
funding sugary drinks in SNAP that SNAP stands for supplemental nutrition.
I don't think high fructose corn syrup is supplemental nutrition,
and I do think it does lead to an obesity problem.

(01:40:05):
So that then shows up on Medicaid and Medicare in
some circumstances, So we should take that off the menu.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Well, there's no reason for anyone in this country to starve,
not with the abundance that we do have on the
other hand, anytime there is a government program, especially at
the federal level, and it is handing out things, whether

(01:40:36):
it be food or medicine or healthcare or you know,
child tax credits, basically there is going to be massive fraud.
Do you find that that's the case.

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:40:55):
And to address your first question there about brook rawlins
and covering so many accounts that were fraudulently receiving dead
people the SNAP program.

Speaker 7 (01:41:07):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 12 (01:41:08):
The states and even the grocery store lobby are not
interested in ferreting out that fraud because that's money that,
even though it may be fraudulent, it's filtering into those states,
and it's filtering into their economy, and it's filtering into
those grocery stores. They don't want the fraud taken out

(01:41:29):
of the program, but we should. Taxpayer should want it
taken out, and anybody that relies on food stamps that
needs them should want the fraud taken out as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
One one quick thing, Congressman Massey, can you stand by
for another Can you get another cup of coffee and
stick around for a few more minutes?

Speaker 12 (01:41:48):
Absolutely, I want to talk about this Epstein resolution in
the past next week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
The first thing The thing I want to the thing
I want to ask you real quick before we go
to break, is do you find a continuance of the
Biden budget less heinous than than adding another one and
a half trillion dollars as the Democrats.

Speaker 12 (01:42:11):
One, Yes, it's a lot less heinous than that. But
let me tell you something. They added two hundred billion
dollars above Joe Biden's budget in the reconciliation Bill, so
that it's really not just Joe Biden's budget. It's Joe
Biden's budget plus another one hundred to two hundred billion
dollars a year for the next three years.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
All right, Thomas Massey, our guest for the next few minutes,
my congressman in Northern Kentucky, and we'll be right back
on fifty five KRCV talk station. We've got a double
Jack Bottler face seven forty two on a Friday morning,
Gary jeffn for Brian Thomas and our guest once again,
Congressman Thomas Massey from the fourth District in Northern Kentucky

(01:42:55):
where I live. And one thing I have all was appreciated, Thomas,
is that you go your own way when it something
does not meet your standards or your values. You're not

(01:43:16):
a rubber stamp or a s man for any political party,
but you consider yourself to be working for the people
of your district, which is I think the concept that
a lot of people in Congress are missing, since many
of them don't even live in the districts where there

(01:43:37):
are not from the districts that they're serving supposedly as
working for. And of course you've drawn the ire of
President Trump, and they're trying to primary you, going to
primary you in the upcoming primary elections in twenty six
you are running again for that seat, and I will

(01:43:58):
vote for you again, even though I don't agree with
every stance you take. I don't agree with every stance
President Trump has, and I think that you should vote
your conscience and your values, and you you do that.
It's one of the things I really appreciate about you,
is your authenticity in that regard.

Speaker 12 (01:44:19):
Well, don't give me too much credit. I vote with
the party ninety one percent of the time. I know,
you know, they say they call me mister no, and
they say never votes with us. I vote with the
Republican Party, which means I vote with Trump ninety one
percent of the time. What they're upset about is the
nine percent that I don't vote with them. Yeah, but

(01:44:40):
in that case, they're starting wars abroad. They're not cutting spending,
they're spending us into oblivion. And in the most recent example,
they're trying to keep the Epstein file secret. And this
has been an effort that I have been on for months.

Speaker 6 (01:44:58):
I talked about it years ago.

Speaker 12 (01:45:00):
Some people say, oh, he didn't care about it until
Trump was president.

Speaker 6 (01:45:03):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:45:04):
I cared about it when Joe Biden was president, and
I started really caring about it when the FBI director,
the assistant FBI director, the attorney general, the vice president.
They all flipped one hundred and eighty degrees, including the president,
And instead of releasing the files, they're trying to keep
the file secret. They might, you know, and they you know,

(01:45:27):
they'll claim privately they're trying to avoid embarrassment for some
of the President's friends, and they'll say that privately, they
won't say that publicly. But I don't think embarrassment is
a good reason. Like saving somebody from embarrassment is a
good reason to protect dozens of men who prayed on

(01:45:49):
underage women in a sex trafficking operation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
No, I agree with you that wholeheartedly. I would say
that Joe Biden had four years to do it and didn't.
The Democrats didn't want these released either until President Trump
was in office, because I thought there were some little
morsels that they could fire at the president. Uh And

(01:46:14):
and they've tried to do that again with the twenty
thousand or whatever emails, and three mentioned Trump's name. But
they don't. Yeah, they don't. They do not. They do
not indicate any kind of wrongdoing by President Trump.

Speaker 12 (01:46:31):
No, I don't see any wrongdoing in those emails. In fact,
if you read them a certain way, they may exonerate him.
It looks like from those emails that perhaps Epstein and
Maxwell were suspicious of Trump that he might inform on them.
That's the way I read those emails. And there and

(01:46:53):
there'll be me more to come out. But I don't
think we should protect the billionaires who are named in there.

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
Either way.

Speaker 12 (01:47:02):
I find this really interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:47:03):
I am.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
I have led this.

Speaker 12 (01:47:05):
Effort, and by the way, we succeeded this week in
forcing the House vote. That vote will probably happen next week.
But I've led that effort, and in return, I've got
three billionaires who are coming after me to try to
get me unelected. And one of them is in the

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previously released Epstein's Black Book. Now that's not a list
of guilty people, but it's a list. It's Epstein's personal
phone book that he kept that had personal cell numbers
and contacts in it. And so one of these billionaires
was in the Epstein I call it the Epstein class,
the class of people. This is not class warfare. If

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you became a billionaire by working hard, you know, good
for you in capitalism. But if you're using that money
and expect to have certain privileges that don't you know,
as far as is breaking the law, that don't extend
to every American. And I'm sorry you're part of the
Epstein class. Well, if you're, and that's who's you know,

(01:48:09):
funding the the attack ads.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
On me that some people have seen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Regardless of how you made your money, Thomas, if you're
illegally using your status to cause harm and commit sexual
crimes against underage people, you have no class in my opinion, right,

(01:48:35):
that's I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:48:36):
That is obvious, I think on his face. But you know,
this week, this week was one of the biggest breakthroughs
ever people, you know, when they ask, what have you
gotten done? I just did something that's only been done
maybe twenty times in the history of our country. I
got a bill to the floor over the objections of

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the Speaker of the House, House and the chairman of
the committees. It's called a discharge petition. It's a parliamentary
procedure that's been in place over one hundred years, where
if you can get two hundred and eighteen signatures, you
can bypass the Speaker, and you can bypass the committee chairman,
and you can bring a bill straight to the floor
of the House. Well, I just got the two hundred

(01:49:20):
and eighteen signature. And you know what happened on that
day when the two hundred and eighteen signature was getting
sworn into Congress, the President, the FBI Director, and the
Attorney General were all and the Speaker himself. We're still
trying to get people to take their signatures off of
my petition. They took Warren Bobert over. She went willingly,

(01:49:44):
but she went to the situation room at the White
House where they tried to convince her to take her
name off of my petition so that we would never
get to to eighteen. And God bless her for staying strong.
She did not cave or crumble or yield. And so
it was only because of Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Green,

(01:50:05):
Lauren Bobert. Those were my three co signers that put
this Republican co signers that put this petition over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
So you say that privately, privately, administration officials and these
people who are are balking at releasing this information that
we were promised, are doing so because Donald Trump thinks
it would be bad for business, because it might embarrass
people that are friends of his or he has plans

(01:50:38):
for business.

Speaker 12 (01:50:39):
Well, in fact, I won't just put on administration, I
would say, and I can't prove this because this was
in a conversation, but Donald Trump himself has said that
the release the f Steam files are going to hurt
his friends in West Palm Beach, and I may have
just made news there. And uh, but here's the thing.

(01:51:05):
I think it's not just gonna implicate them, some of
his billionaire friends and donors. I think it's going to
implicate our own intelligence agencies. And then I can also
tell you that on the day we were the day
before we got the two hundred and eighteen signature. It
was this massive effort by the White House to get
my co signers to take their names off the petition.

(01:51:27):
They told one of my co signers, we can't let
Massey have a win. Is that crazy? Like the pettiness
of that they are And there they have full blown
Massy derangement syndrome. The political you know, uh chattering bunch

(01:51:49):
there at the White House that surround the President. They
don't want the victims to get justice, They don't want
Americans to have transparency because they didn't want Massey to
have a win. Well, guess what we won anyway, and
we won for the victims and the survivors. And we're
going to have this vote when we go back next week,

(01:52:10):
and that's going to be a very important vote for
a lot of congressmen. I'll give a shout out to
Warren Davidson there in Ohio. He's in the i think
the listening area. He's representatives there north of Cincinnati. He
said he's going to vote for it, and I think
really everybody should vote for it because the promise over

(01:52:31):
at to White House. Now they're handing out Trump endorsements
like their pens, candy and they're saying, here, you take
this Trump endorsement, you be against releasing the Epstein files,
and we will protect you in your primary and we'll
come camp. The President will come campaign for you and
help you raise money. But don't release those Epstein files. Well,

(01:52:54):
you know, in twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty, especially
in twenty five, the President's not going to be able
to help people who took a bad vote to cover
up for pedophiles. So I would remind my colleagues your
voting record is going to outlast this presidency, so be
very careful next week when you vote on whether to

(01:53:14):
release the Epstein files or not.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Thomas Massey, thank you so much for your time, very generous.
I appreciate it. And keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 12 (01:53:23):
Man, all right, I'm starting it up. Thanks Gary, Jeff Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Thank you, Congressman Thomas Massey. This morning, it's seven fifty
three at fifty five KRC, the talk station.

Speaker 12 (01:53:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Easy. Are you or have you ever been a fan
of the Old West, the Wild American West, A stuff
like White IRP and Doc Holliday to shootout at the
OK Corral. Brothers of the Gun is a brand new
book by historian Mark League Gardner. We will talk about

(01:53:57):
this fresh look. It's a duel, a biography of both
Wider and Doc Holiday. I'm chomping at the bit to
find out more myself. We'll get into that in just
a few moments. On this Friday morning on fifty five
krc DE talk station.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
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and pistol.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
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to my tree six minutes after the hour and a Friday.

Speaker 9 (01:54:34):
Morning, many a soldiers online.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Willie maybe whaling, But we're going back even farther than them,
to the wild so called Wild West of America's past.
Historian Mark Lee Gardner has written the first duel biography
of gunslingers Whitep and Doc Holiday. It's called Brothers of
the Gun, and it is out this week. Mark is

(01:55:04):
an authority on the Old West, has been featured in
Wired's Tech Support over five million views there, the hit
Netflix docusaries Wide Erp and The Cowboy War, and also
as an award winning musician specializes in the music of
the Old West. We probably should have lined up so
we could have him do his own bumper music to

(01:55:26):
fit the topic. Brothers of the Gun, the lives of
those two men mentioned, Wide Erp and Doc Holliday, those
of course our famous names in the history of this
country in the Old West for the you know, the
fight at the Ok Corral, the gunfight there. And one

(01:55:49):
was a part time lawman, the other a part time dentist,
and they were Brothers of the Gun. Now, to talk
about the book a little bit, and why you should
if you're if you're a history buffer, American history buff,
you got to have this, Mark Lee Gardner, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:56:05):
Hey, thanks, Gary, happy to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Now. You're an award winning musician and you specialize in
the music of Old West. That struck me right away.
What kind of instruments do you play, Mark, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:56:21):
Playing mostly the banjo, the five string banjo, and you
know the banjo's that actually goes hundreds of years back
to Africa, starts out as an African instrument. But I
became fascinated by the music of the nineteenth century West,
and there was a lot of banjo in the nineteenth
century West.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Yes, there was this here was do you have any
modern day banjo players that you kind of revere and
look up to, because there's a lot of good ones.

Speaker 5 (01:56:48):
I'd say you my hero was Earl Scruggs. He's no
longer with us, but he developed the scrug style picking.
But you know, the historic banjo. When I started learning
the history of it, scrunk style starts in the nineteen forties,
and I was wanting stuff in the eighteen forties, and
that's actually an African playing style. People still playing the

(01:57:10):
dance called clawhammer or frailing. So I tend to lean
towards the older playing styles on the banjo.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
Well, you see the guys by the campfire being depicted,
you know, in these romatic ways, and there's the stars
and the campfire and the dogies are retiring, as they say,
and they're picking guitars. But guitars weren't really that prominent
back in the eighteen fifties, were they.

Speaker 5 (01:57:35):
Oh no, no, I mean there were guitars, but it
wasn't They didn't have the boom really until the early
twentieth century, the nineteen twenties, and of course that's also
the birth of the film industry, so it made sense
that you're singing cowboys are going to be playing guitars.
But if you're if they had a movie in the
eighteen seventies, the Singing Cowboys would have had a banjo.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
White Urb and Doc Holiday. They are eternally fascinating when
people think about the American West and the Old West.
What do you think sets those two particular characters apart?
That always provides people with a lot of just they're

(01:58:17):
almost spellbound when they hear those names.

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Well, you know, a big part of that, Gary is
is that gunfight in Tombstone, Arizona. I mean, that's where
they've become legendary. But also it's every movie or TV
show that deals with these you know that has Wider
b and Doc Holliday.

Speaker 8 (01:58:37):
They tell us that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:37):
They're friends, but they don't really tell us why they're
friends or how they became friends, but they are, you know,
they are anchored in the American imagination is the most
famous friendship. And it really starts because they're side by
side with White's brothers at the OK Corral. But it
goes much deeper than that, which is what I talk

(01:58:58):
about in the book, was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Was what happened at the OK Corral.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Was well, what.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
Happens is and and this is why it's one of
the biggest stories in American history. Is it's that it's
that classic clash. What has come down to is between
good and bad. And you've got the you know, Wider
and Virgil and Doc and Morgan representing the law going
up against the crustler element called.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
The cowboys, the Clinton's and all of that, and the Macaris. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
what what kind of a lawman was white? If you
broke broke it down?

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
Yeah, he was an exceptional lawman. The irony is he
was only a lawman a very short time. But in
cowtown's like Wichita and Dodge City, where he really made
his mark, he was considered, you know, if not the
best among the best. And one of his primary jobs
as a lawman was essentially disarming unruly cowboys, drunken cowboys

(02:00:07):
because all these boottails Gary, they had anti gun laws.
You couldn't carry a gun on the streets. And so
the lawman, like Erth and others.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Go ahead, Well, now see that's gonna shock a lot
of people, myself included, because apparently I've not read enough.
I've not read your book yet, and don't know enough
about the history of the Old West, but it seems
so odd to me that they had gun control laws,
which most of us Second Amendment people who are fans

(02:00:37):
of the Second amendmen call them people control laws. Right,
And you have this idea of a wide open Old
West where everybody had a gun, and not true.

Speaker 5 (02:00:50):
Everybody, most everybody had a gun. But if you're going
into those cowtowns, there were city ordinances that prevented you
from carrying a weapon. And in fact, that was one
of the precursors of the Okay Corral gunfight. The Earths
were going to meet the cowboys to disarm them because
they were breaking the law. So yes, there were all

(02:01:10):
kinds of anti gun laws in the Old West.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
What did Hollywood get right in telling the story of
the ok Corral shootout? And then what did they get wrong?

Speaker 5 (02:01:23):
Well, it's mostly wrong. So yeah, it's mostly wrong, I mean,
and it varies. But Gary, I mean, I'm not I
don't get too upset about Hollywood. I mean, it's another reality.
You know, it's not history.

Speaker 7 (02:01:39):
Yeah, you know what they what they get right?

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
You know, thers they were brothers. Morgan was assassinated the
cowboys were rustlers, but a lot of times, even the
fight itself, you know, it happened in a lot that
was like fifteen feet wide. Wow, very narrow space. In
most movies it's really you know, the running all over
the place.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
Oh, it's a wide open it's a wide open expanse,
you know, and they're exactly and they're shooting around the
corners of buildings. You say the space was fifteen feet.

Speaker 5 (02:02:10):
Yes, according to some accounts. And it wasn't even at
the OK Corral. That's a big myths. It was in
a lot that was behind the OK Corral.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
Huh. Well, okay, what what was doc Holiday like and
what was he a successful dentist? What was dentistry like
in the in the eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies.

Speaker 5 (02:02:34):
Well, he actually went to the best dental school in
the country was in Philadelphia and got a degree in
dental surgery. And his first place where he was a
professional dentist or when he had a partner in Dallas,
they actually won awards at the local fair for their dentistry.
So he was an accomplished dentist. The problem was he

(02:02:57):
was also a gambling addict and to bat masters, and
if you wanted an appointment, you'd have to go to
the gambling mall. He was rarely in his office. And
then he also he drank a lot, and that may
have been self medication for his tuberculosis. He had tuberculosis,
so he was ill, and when he drank he could
get violent and me and and unpredictable. So it wasn't

(02:03:23):
He didn't stay in the ditches very long. He became
a professional gambler.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
Brothers of the Gun is the book. Mark Lee Gardner
is our guest. Mark, Can you hang for one more
quick segment or do you need to go?

Speaker 5 (02:03:35):
You bet?

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
You bet? All right, we'll talk more about Doc Holliday
and Wyatt erb and the real stories and their real
friendship and the book that Mark is touting. Who did
he did all the research? He knows. It's eight fifteen
and fifty five KRCV talk station. Winter is coming and
that cold wind isn't Just all right, We're talking with

(02:03:58):
Mark Lee Gardner the book Brothers of the Gun, about
White Urb and Doc Holiday, the good, bad and ugly
of the two infamous friends who were at the oh
Well in the lot behind the Ok Corral. I just
found out this morning. So your research process mark into this.

(02:04:26):
How long did it take you to gather information before
you could even write the book? Or were you writing
as you were going and doing where? Where did you
find this information that heretofore wasn't available to just the
casual reader of American history?

Speaker 5 (02:04:43):
Sure? Well, I took a couple of years just to
research before I started writing. And I went all over
the country looking at manuscript materials. You know, White Earth's
first person narrative that he dictated is in the Tombstone
Courthouse State Park in tunesdone Arizona, and I made copies
started out as a photostatic copy, and I made copies

(02:05:05):
of that and went to San Marino, California, to the
Huntington Library where an early biographer all his papers were
Arizona Historical Society. You know. My thing is Gary, is
that I do primary resource research. I don't just read
other books. I want to look at the actual documents. Yeah,
and do my own research.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
All right, So, I mean you were going through newspaper
records and court records exactly, yes.

Speaker 5 (02:05:31):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
Letters and diaries.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
Yes. One of the great yeah, I mean, okay, Corral
was there was a hearing that was held afterwards with
thirty witnesses that gave testimony lasted a month, so we
have a lot of information on the gunfight itself.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
All right, People certainly lived different lives then. We didn't
have the technology that we have today, and there are
some of us who who clamor to go back to
a less connected, less on the grid kind of life.
What was life like at the time of White RP

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and Doc Holiday for most people? How hard scrabble was it?

Speaker 5 (02:06:16):
Yeah? It was well in the towns, that's the thing
out you know, where somebody's farming in a sawbuster or something. Yeah,
it's it's rough. It's hard scrabble. But you know, the
lives of Whyte and Doc were always in towns and
booming towns of that. So, you know, places like Tombstone
you could get oysters, I mean, the finest champagnes and wines.

(02:06:37):
You know, there was money there, so they had money
to bring things in. So it was actually a pretty
darn good life in the cities. You know, the gambling
halls had Brussels carpet and paintings and in the latest newspapers,
so it was a pretty nice life if you were
in town right right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
I think today there's an effort by a lot of
people to move out of the towns because life isn't
life isn't quite as idyllic today as maybe it was
in the Old West. How did they stray outside the law,
the law man and the dentist.

Speaker 5 (02:07:14):
That's they did that a lot. I mean, especially why
it's youth and he you know, he didn't want this known,
of course, but at one point he operated a brothel
on a boat in the river. His wives were almost
three of them, were all former prostitutes. And of course

(02:07:34):
Whyatt was a gambler as well. He was arrested once
for stealing the horse as a young man. So he
had a dark past that a lot of people don't
know about.

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
Huh. Well, I mean you said that Doc hung out
in brothels a lot and was a gambler. Yes, did
he incur a lot of gambling debts in his time?

Speaker 5 (02:07:59):
Well, well, we don't really know that information. There's one
famous debt, and it's really sad. It's towards the end
of his life, and he owed a man five dollars,
which wouldn't seem like that much, and they got in
the gunfight over it. But he was penniless when he
died in glynn Wood Springs from his tuberculusis at age
thirty six.

Speaker 2 (02:08:20):
Thirty six years old? Now how old did how long
did whyitet Earth live?

Speaker 5 (02:08:26):
Wyatt live for another forty years. He lived to the
age of eighty. He died in nineteen twenty nine. His
pallbears included Tom Mix movie Star.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
And Williams Heart How about that?

Speaker 5 (02:08:38):
How about that as he got to see his legend,
he got to live to see his legend doc Halla,
They didn't?

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Yeah, I mean what did he do in the latter
years of his life? Wyatt?

Speaker 5 (02:08:50):
Whyatt Earth eked out in existence. He was also broke,
and he had a little mind called the happy day
mind that he would spend summers grinding out, you know,
trying to get some war and make a little living.
But one of his biggest things he did was trying
to get his story told and writing it down. And
his hope was that they would make money because everybody

(02:09:11):
else was making the money off of his story.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
And he felt he should make some money off Oh heck, yeah, yeah,
he should have had you around as a ghostwriter. I
bet you would have loved that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:22):
I would have loved that. Yeah, I would have liked
a nun Wider if he was that interesting individual.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Are you working on any new projects.

Speaker 8 (02:09:29):
Mark, Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:09:31):
My current book project is the story of Jesse and
Frank James during the Civil War as bushwhackers.

Speaker 2 (02:09:37):
There you go, So this is this is before the
crime spree, right.

Speaker 8 (02:09:42):
Exactly, but it led to it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:44):
It's how it led to that crime spree.

Speaker 2 (02:09:47):
Well, we'll have to keep touch and when you have
that one ready in a couple of years or whatever, Oh,
definitely we'll discuss that. Mark Lee Gardner is the man.
The book is Brothers of the Gun about White RP
and Doc Holiday. Thank you so much for your time,
very very interested.

Speaker 5 (02:10:05):
In this now, Thank you, Gary.

Speaker 2 (02:10:08):
I enjoyed it all right, you bet. We continued doctor David,
Matt Gary Jeffan for Brian on this Friday morning on
fifty five KRC. As much as America has always been
fascinated about the subjects of our last previous segment, White
ERP and Doc Holiday, the assassination of JFK dominates the

(02:10:33):
American psyche to this day, sixty three years later. Who
did it? What happened? What really happened? Our guest in
this half hour is a doctor PhD. David Mantick spent

(02:10:53):
many years in private practice. He's out in the in
the Palm Deayara in California. He became a parapatetic radiation oncologist,
currently licensed in eight states. Also worked in Hawaii, New Zealand.
In his spare time, David Mantick does research and writes
about the JFK assassination and has made some amazing discoveries

(02:11:17):
that heretofore have not been made by anybody else. He
spent nine full days at the National Archives to view
and perform measurements on the JFK autopsy, X rays, the
photographs from the autopsy, his clothing, ballistic artifacts. We now
know that the War and Commission was not very interested

(02:11:38):
in the truth, but that indifference still seems to afflect
Washington d C. Even here in twenty twenty five. He
is a co author of the book The Final Analysis
with doctor Jerome Corsi, another one of my favorite people
on the planet. I love Jerry. Also, doctor Mann has written,

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among other things, JFK was killed by Consensus, and now
he joins us this morning for a conversation about the
latest book JFK. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
The final Analysis, Doctor David Mannick, good morning, and thank
you for joining us so early.

Speaker 7 (02:12:23):
Here a bok others it's dark and it's five thirty
in the morning. Well half away.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
Well I know. And when our friend Eric set this
interview up for me, I said, well, I'm on till
nine o'clock eastern. Can we get him to squeeze in
maybe a little bit at eight thirty. This was the
last stop for me today. So I really do appreciate
you volunteering to get up this early to plug And now,

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how many books about JFK have you written, doctor Mannick?

Speaker 7 (02:12:55):
Well, three in my name, but I'd contributed to many
other ones going all the way back to nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (02:13:05):
Okay, what is your particular fascination with this piece of
American history? Is it the fact that the official sources
still won't come clean with it. Is it the fact
that there have been so many conspiracy theories surrounded about
who actually did it, who orchestrated it, and why it happened.

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I mean, there's a lot of questions out there. Is
it just curiosity or is this something else that drives
you to continue to study the assassination of President John Kennedy.

Speaker 5 (02:13:43):
When Oliver Stones movie came out around nineteen ninety, I
was hoping we would get.

Speaker 7 (02:13:49):
A clear cut answer to these questions. Who killed JFK,
Who pulled the triggers? Why did they do this? That's
what my recent book is all about. Those are the
questions I addressed. But in the nineteen nineties, these questions
were not answered, and I actually became quite angry at

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the historians for failing us. We the American public needed
to know what was going on in this case, and
they absolutely let us down. So I was furious. I
was literally angry at the historians because they they could not,
they would not, they didn't have the courage to face

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these issues. And I actually wrote an essay called the
Silence of the Historians, which was one of my first
essays that was published in one of our first books,
Murder and Daily Plaza, which you can still purchase at Amazon.
So that's what drove me. Anger drove me.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
I was lived.

Speaker 7 (02:14:54):
I wanted to know why we didn't why they didn't
tell us.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Yeah. In another book, he wrote JFK was killed by consensus.
The subtitle is Dally Plaza was just the final stop.
When you say killed by consensus, what do you mean, Yeah,
that's the issue.

Speaker 7 (02:15:17):
I mean that the power elite in this country, the
American power elite, had come to an agreement that JFK
was a trader. He was betraying us in the co
War to the Communists, and in order to save the country,
they had to kill him. That is literally what they

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all agreed on. We're talking about the powerful elite in
the military, the political elite, the banking industry, the oil industry,
steel finance. All these powerful people who know each other
for elons silently agreed that he had to go. He

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was just too dangerous to let.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
Live well, because he didn't think that we should be
in Vietnam making war. I mean you mentioned the military
was one part of it.

Speaker 7 (02:16:10):
Yes, it was one part of it. The Pentagon was
really eager to fight in Vietnam, and so all the
top military officials, the Joint chiefs, were seriously opposed to JFK.

Speaker 2 (02:16:26):
How much do you think was their acquiescence on the
part of government leaders like LBJ They knew about it
but didn't participate. I mean, how many how many different
moving parts were there was the mafia involved, was Cuba involved,
Castro involved? I mean because JFK was definitely a threat

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to Castro too.

Speaker 5 (02:16:54):
Well.

Speaker 7 (02:16:54):
Castro was meeting at the moment AFK was killed. He
was meeting with a French journalists named Jean Danielle, and
Castro responded very promptly, he said, now everything is going
to change. You see JFK had sent out peace sealers
via Jean Danielle, and JFK was indicating that he wanted

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a kind of reproachewant with a Castro. Castro understood this,
and he knew that LBJ did not share these same
feelings with him. So that's why he said, now everything
is going to change, and it did.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
How much? Was what evidence did you find or have
you found answers? Have you found that Lyndon Baines Johnson
was an active participant or was just acquiescent in what
went on in the killing of JFK.

Speaker 7 (02:17:51):
I don't think he was a very active participant, but
he had to know in advance. Yeah, because all the
government agencies involved, the EYE, the CIA, the Secret Service,
they all had to cover their rear ends or they
would have been in deep trouble. So they had to
know in advance that LBJ would cover for them, and
he did. At Parkland Hospital, for example, the Secret Service

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immediately moved JFK's limousine once a few people recognized that
there was a bullet hole in the windfield that could
not be allowed. And there are scenes of the Secret
Service washing out the limousine. They're destroying evidence in a
murder scene. How is that possible? Well, the Secret Service

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apparently had a widespread water to cover this up, So
only albu J could have protected their rear ends in
the situation.

Speaker 2 (02:18:48):
And so the Warren Commission and all of that that
followed in the aftermath of this, that was all of
Wincoln and nod by official Washington, the establishment to swamp
whatever you want I want to call it.

Speaker 7 (02:19:01):
Yes, And likewise the follow up investigations like the Rockefeller Commission,
which was led by Nelson Rockefeller, who I named in
my book as one of the guilty parties. He was
deeply involved in supervising covert operations, something most Americans are
not aware of, but he had an official position in
that role. You can read about it in the biography

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of him, and that's listed in my book. So this
is one of the surprising things that I learned that
Nelson Rockefeller was so involved. He thought Nelson Rockefeller was
involved in the coup in Guatemala. He had huge financial
interests at stake in Guatemala, so he was actually provided

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with inside technical information on the covert operation there. It
was important for his holdings there that he know what
was going on.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
Did Khrushev know?

Speaker 7 (02:20:00):
Khrushchev didn't know in advance, of course, but the Soviet
Union conducted its own investigation and they clearly decided that
this was a domestic conspiracy by the right wing in
the US. They knew that.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
What about the mob's involvement, Doctor Mantick, Well, let me add.

Speaker 7 (02:20:19):
One more comment about that. The family of JFK sent
a personal emissary to Khrushchev and they told Kruschief that
they understood that the Soviet was not involved. In fact,
when Krushchef came to the funeral, which was quite impressive,

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I believe he was crying at one point because he
and JFK had developed such a close relationship after the
Cuban missile crisis that they both hoped that they could
change the world forever. And the holany, of course, is
that Khrushchev himself was replaced by a coup in less
than twelve months by his own right wares there in

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mon style.

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
Uh, doctor Mannick, you're already awake. Can you hang for
one more quick segment? Or do you need to go? Yes?
All right? The Final Analysis The Assassination of JFK co
written with doctor Jerome Corsi, our guest, doctor David Mantik,
who has done all this wonderful research, and we will
pick this back up in just a few It's eight

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forty at fifty five KRCV talk station. My dad's skin
with tear every time I changed this bandation. We're talking
with doctor David Mannick, who has written three books on
the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the latest, of course,
the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The Final Analysis.
So does this mark the last in your your JFK books?

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Have you said everything you can say? Have you done
all the research, you uncovered all the stones, doctor Mantick?
Or is there more?

Speaker 7 (02:21:56):
Well? I think the major questions were the ones we
just got. Who pulled the triggers into the plaza, and
I cite names and show photographs who ordered the execution,
and I show multiple photographs of the people who were
in the American power elite and why did they do it?
So all three of these major questions are answered in

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my book. So what is left to say after that?
Probably not a whole lot. A little bits and pieces
here and there probably can fill in the gaps, but
in my opinion, ninety five percent of the information is there.
It's like putting a crossword puzzle together. We may have
a few pieces missing here and there, but we can

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see the whole picture.

Speaker 2 (02:22:42):
Now, what about the Mob and sam Gy and Kana.

Speaker 7 (02:22:46):
Yeah, they were involved too, s they let their role,
and in my book discusses the long time connection between
the CIA and the Mob, going back to Lucky Luciano
who is in jail during World War two, but he
provided the necessary connections in Sicily so that our Allied
landings there would be successful, and as a result, after

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World War two was over, he was released from jail
and was allowed to go back to Sicily, where ironically
he was temporarily put in jail by the Sicilians as well.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
I was looking at your bio, doctor Mantick, and it
says you were raised in a country school. You spent
eight years in like a one room country school and
then went to high school. How did you wind up
becoming a radiation on collegist?

Speaker 7 (02:23:37):
Well, I was too curious.

Speaker 6 (02:23:40):
I owned a PhD.

Speaker 7 (02:23:43):
Post at the University of Wisconsin Madison, and of all things,
it was on X ray scale. So my life touched
on very early. But then I chose to go to
medical school at the University of Michigan and eventually became
board certified and radiation on college, where I am required
to read X rays every day and in order to

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pinpoint tumors. I don't know where that author is or
I will miss it.

Speaker 2 (02:24:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, I just with all of the material
that's been written and all the research that's been done,
what do you think sets your books and this latest
book apart from the others Doctor Manting, Well.

Speaker 7 (02:24:26):
The fact that I have a doctorate in physics and
an MD with a specialty in X rays is unique.
There's no other author out there who can say that,
nor can anyone else. To the National Archives on nine
full days and taken hundreds of measurements from the X

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ray and the clothing and the photographs, and done stereo
viewing of all photographs there's no one who's done anything
remotely like that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
Well, I'd be interested to see the book and see
what the autopsy photos and X rays told you about
this assassination.

Speaker 7 (02:25:07):
Critical, they were critical. That's before that at my background
in medicine and X rays.

Speaker 6 (02:25:14):
Was the entry.

Speaker 2 (02:25:16):
Yeah, as far as where the the UH wounds, how
the wounds happened, and and at one angles and all
of the rest of that. Well, I wish you great
success with this book and all your books. And like
I said, people are still to this day, people who
weren't alive at the time I was. I was almost

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three years old when the assassination occurred.

Speaker 7 (02:25:40):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
And what I remember most about it was, I mean
from an early age, I was a TV kid and
UH for three full days. Here I am, almost three
years old in November of nineteen sixty three, crying because
my cartoons aren't on, and my mom and dad are crying,

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and I thought they were crying because my cartoons were
not So I mean, I've been fascinated by it, and
it is a subject of great interest, even the sixty
three years later. I wish you well, Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (02:26:20):
Thank you You've been wonderful. It's a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (02:26:23):
Thanks for getting up for us, Doctor David Mantik and
the final analysis the assassination of JFK will wrap up
in just a moment. Coming up on eight forty nine
at fifty five KRC. The talk station. You're listening to
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As we wrap up this morning, Mark Kohne.

Speaker 1 (02:26:47):
Oot on my blue sweet shoes and boarded the plane.

Speaker 2 (02:26:53):
So what's in a cheer mom? In the middle of
the in Callum, Wifornia, murder is in the heart of
a cheer mom? Torrence, California, Scharie Lynette Townsend, forty seven
years old on trial for murder. Prosecutors said Townsend responsible

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for the fatal stabbing of a sixty six year old
woman named Susan Leeds, a retired nurse, who was found
bleeding in her Mercedes back on May third of twenty eighteen.
She had just finished a shopping trip the Promenade on
the Peninsula Mall in Rolling Hills, California. Died minutes after

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she was found. The cheer mom, Scharie Lynette Townsend, had
also been shopping there that day, and her gold Sedan
was seen leaving the same parking structure where Leeds was
found bleeding to death. According to prosecutors, Townsend was experiencing
financial difficulties in the day before leeds death and posted

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about her troubles on social media. One sc a civic
point of contention was a cheerleading trip to Florida for
her then fourteen year old daughter. Prosecutors say that Townsend
offered to bring two of her daughter's friends with them
on the trip, and the friends each gave Townsend three
hundred and fifty dollars for their tickets, but according to prosecutors,

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those tickets never purchased. A criminal complaint said the investigators
spoke to the general manager of the cheerleading team that
Townsends daughter was on. The manager told investigators that Townsend
had been writing checks that kept bouncing, and she'd been
asked to provide cash or cashiers checks to pay them
for fees. She used Google to search for different ways

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to obtain money, including duplicating credit cards, robbing coin operated
washing machines, celebrity donations, even finding a sugar daddy. Also,
prosecutors cited Google searches from prom on the Peninsula and
Jim's in the area. Townsend wanted to start a GoFundMe

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to raise money for the trip, but she thought her
children would be embarrassed. Are they? Are they more embarrassed
because you're on trial for murder for robbing and killing
a woman so your daughter could go on the cheer trip? Boy,
this is this is mean? Girls? All grown up? Isn't it?

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Been a pleasure? Been a blast. Thanks to Joe Strucker.
Thanks to you who hung around and put up with
me until the next time. Gary Jeff saying peace out,
like Ryan Seacrest with only about I don't know one
one thousandth of his money. It's eight fifty six. Glenn

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