December 13, 2025 • 11 mins
Ron chats with Gary Sullivan about winter prep and gardening tips. They discuss the importance of pampering worms during the cold months and the challenges of finding snow blowers in stock. Ron shares a funny story about his friend Joe's experience with a gas-powered snow blower and introduces the concept of snow mats, which can help keep walkways clear. They also talk about gardening history, including an antique seed catalog from 1931 and the evolution of poinsettia care. It's a fun and informative conversation that's perfect for gardeners of all levels.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for the man, the miss he legend. He is the
most listened to holwand Preums show host in the entire
Solar System. His website Garysullivan Online dot com, Ladies and Gentlemen,
the one the Only Gary Summer.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, mister Wilson, I got.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
A question for you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You do yep for me? Yep? Okay, you outside this
morning and pamper your worms.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I don't think the worms one throw some mulch on me.
The worms. You're saying, is that you know?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay? I was just checking he be warm. You're you're
imploring us to pamper the worms sometimes during the year,
and I was wondering if you checked on.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Him this winter, not this morning, not this morning. Gonna
a little cold, they're gonna be covered with a snow
blanket for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, sir, it does sound like it's gonna snow dune.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I think you're gonna We're gonna get a little bit.
And I think it's Danny said, warming up later in
the week, next week.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Fifty five and rain on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So there you go. We'll all go away.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes, it will so'd you say you went and looked
for snowblowers.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I did. I wanted the handheld, you know, the handheld,
the wider one. Yeah, And uh, I just laughed because
I thought about this a couple of weeks ago, because
I'm taking care of my mom's driveway and sidewalk, and
I thought, well, maybe I'll just get one of those
and supportable, and I'm throwing the back of the truck
and go back and.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Forth and say, like the power shovel thing, yeah or
was that that wasn't real snow thrower.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
It was just yeah, just to you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Know, shovel with a kind of blows it away.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah. And they those were available, those displays were totally empty.
And even the ones where the gas powered things, you know. Oh,
I saw two of them sitting in one of the
places and they were empty too. So we went online
and you could find them online. But of course it
was a delivery the twenty second of December.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Something like that, and still snow then.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But that's what we're gonna wind up doing, is order
one online. I don't know if you caught what Joe
Strecker's doing. You know, he's got his wife boughtom a
gas powered one. Yeah, and he had never used it
because it never snowed enough for him to use it.
We went try to start it, couldn't get it started,
so he took it in to get it done. Whatever.
So it's at the shop right now. He bought a
(02:25):
little he bought one of the smaller when handheld ones
and it works okay, but you got to go back and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Forth so he could sell to you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's why I was checking with him to see if
he still use it, because I was going to say,
can I buy it from you? Uh So, anyway he said,
he held up his phone and he said, here's what
I'm doing now, and they and his daughter was taking
a video and he got last this summer, he bought
one of those dragon weed burners.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh jeez, he's got to burn it away.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was out there and then here a little click,
click click, turn it up high and he started walking
up and down the side as driveway melt.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, that is a perfect tool for Joe melting.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And I said, you know what, you look exactly like
Gary Solivon with a powerwasher in his hand. That's a
good tool for him. Yeah, I want pictures of that.
He's got it on video. Oh yeah, I'm serious, and
that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think he and I had a conversation about that
about a year ago. I think that's been on his
mind for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah. Well he couldn't wait, so he let it up
and it worked. It was working pretty nice for him.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So I've never used one, but I've heard of him,
and I always was a little concerned that if that
concrete was really cold, you know where I'm going, Yeah,
what it caused? Does it? Yeah? Does it crack the concrete?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You you know what you think it does?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
As fast as he was moving in across quickly, that
was melting.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't think you're there long enough. I mean, I'm
sure if you just held it there.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would have a problem with you.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So there's a skill and everything.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But there he was said. I told him, I said,
he looked like you with washer. You like the powerwasher
that you do.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know. One of the things nobody ever talks about, really,
is you ever see those snow mats?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Snow mat Yeah? No, so I have.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
To It's been a while since I've seen one. It's
been a while. I have to google that but they're
they're big up north where you can get like a
mat and it's got it heaps up so like you
could put it on the stoop in front of your door,
or maybe the sidewalk down to the driveway comes in
different lengths and it's it's just you know it, it
(04:41):
stays warm. This matt stays warm and so snow doesn't
accumulate on it. I mean, you can't do your whole driveway.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So it's not plugged in or anything, or it is
plugged in.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it is plugged in. So you know, if you're
gonna if you're in an area where you have a
lot of snow, that's certainly an option. And it seems
like this year, like they said, it might be a
snowy year, So.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It might be one of those years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It might be one of those years you want that investment.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Hey, I got a I don't I know you weren't listening,
but I got the folks listen to our show all
these years. Was at an antique show last week in Columbus,
found that Henry Field's seed book Shenandoah, Iowa from nineteen
thirty one. Wow, it's in really good condition. It's actually
has some color illustrations hand drawn on the covers. But
(05:30):
they sell you know, seeds and all kinds of stuff.
But the seed packs are four cents apiece, by the way.
And one of the lines he has in here, and
tell me if you've heard this before, is he said,
I'm going to beat something I've told you in the past.
Plant a good, big garden. That's the way to beat
the high cost of living and the only way to
have the nice, fresh and tasty things that we all like.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know there's a lot of gardens victory gardens.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
During the yep. Well, then we'll think about that. I
mean the thirty one. I mean, what were you two.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Noth of that?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But in the middle of it, they saw so many things.
He was fourteen run.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They have you're on the cover of that seat catalog.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I am around the front there they have the Hendry
Field Company paint.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, and they.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Have all these colors and you can buy paint from him,
and it's in five gallon lots and it's two dollars
per gallon.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Gosh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you get a four inch paint brush with five
gallons or more.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Free, free, that's the deal.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Deal yep.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well we can't even buy a half pint now.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
For Oh and you can paint the barn too, because
they have barn red. Oh yeah, red, lead bright or
dark red. Fifty gallons. It was a buck twenty five a.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Gallon, fifty gallons. Yeah, that's a big barn.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's a lot of paint.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah. Well, the world's changed.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And then on nineteen thirty one, they were also on
two radio stations on a weekly basis talking about gardening.
There you go, RN nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There you go, how about that?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I love reading those old things, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That is pretty cool. So who found that?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It was a couple O Sandra and Tom Zelei from Doyle'stown, Ohio.
They went to Columbus for a big antique show and
said they saw this sitting on a table and said,
let's get that for Ron Wilson and mail it to
them and they did very nice. Yeah, so it's pretty cool, excellent.
Henry Fields is no longer in existence, but Gurney's Seed
and you probably heard of Gurney's. I have bought Henry
(07:36):
Fields and it's now Gurney's Seeds and they're still in existence,
and they have peppers in there they were talking about.
They call them mangoes, which my parents called green peppers. Mangoes. Okay,
that's how they refer to them here. But they're one
hot pepper that they sold. One hot pepper was cayenne. Oh,
and it's called the really hot one.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Descriptive.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You know, my wife would say if she ate that, No, Garry,
this was really hot.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't like hot, even with the cayenne.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Even with it. Why why is my iPad ringing?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't Well, somebody's trying to get a hold of you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, my kar must needs servicing.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, you were you would ask me about pont
Settis last week and we were talking about the leaves
falling off and that's why people throw them away and
all that. I read an article this week somebody talking
about that exact same thing, and they said, what's interesting
is way back when, like seventy sixty seventy years ago,
pont Setti's were kind of leggy anyway back because they
hadn't gotten the hang of really grown them very well.
(08:42):
They would put small greens, evergreen stems in the bottom
of the pot. So you had the evergreens and then
the pond seti of the colorful bracts at the top. Yeah,
And they said, you know, maybe we should start looking
at putting evergreen small pieces back in the pont setia pots.
And it makes a combo planner of both the evergreen
(09:03):
and the pond seti on the top.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And evergreen would stay green for a long while. Yeah,
because it's just a cut branch. Yeah, because it's down
in that moist soil soil. Sure you might even see
it rude start the route, depending on what it is.
But I said, oh, I have to tell Gary about that,
because that's it. That's from seventy years ago. And I
want you to have one of those next year for me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'll have it ready for you.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You well, even a pitcher or you just with your
overalls on holding the pot up and no, what do
you think I would think that looks beautiful?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Do you want my overalls with or without a shirt
or the shorts or the long sleeve?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think a flannel shirt would be appropriate. Okay, you
got to you gotta look like the real McCoy.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
The real like Grandpappy Amos and the birds. The real
McCoy's did you watch that show?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, you could hold your little seap thing in your hand.
What is a pack that costs? Now?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Uh? You know anywhere from a two bucks up? Jesus,
it was four cents back then. What are you gonna talk?
What are you gonna talk about today?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, we're gonna talk about all kinds of things. Seriously,
we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about drainings around your home,
how to do that. We're gonna talk about insurance for
your home. That whole thing's kind of changing a lot.
So Beth Harper is gonna join us on that. And
we're talking about keeping your floors clean from all the
slush and salt. We've got a lot going on there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You go, Ladies and gentlemen. Gary Salvin coming up next.
If he's not coming up next on the radio station
you're listening to us on right now, call him and
find out why not. All right, Thanks to all our callers,
Thanks our sponsors. Thanks of course with Dan Glease and
our producer. Without Danny and no other stuff, what happens.
So Dan, thank you so much for all that you do.
Now do yourself a favor. Be safe this weekend. Go
out and make it the best weekend of your life.
See uh dream time or not? Rod who can help?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And one eight hundred and eighty two three talk This
is in the garden with Rod Wilson that my count
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for the man, the miss he legend. He is the
most listened to holwand Preums show host in the entire
Solar System. His website Garysullivan Online dot com, Ladies and Gentlemen,
the one the Only Gary Summer.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, mister Wilson, I got.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
A question for you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You do yep for me? Yep? Okay, you outside this
morning and pamper your worms.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I don't think the worms one throw some mulch on me.
The worms. You're saying, is that you know?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay? I was just checking he be warm. You're you're
imploring us to pamper the worms sometimes during the year,
and I was wondering if you checked on.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Him this winter, not this morning, not this morning. Gonna
a little cold, they're gonna be covered with a snow
blanket for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, sir, it does sound like it's gonna snow dune.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I think you're gonna We're gonna get a little bit.
And I think it's Danny said, warming up later in
the week, next week.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Fifty five and rain on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So there you go. We'll all go away.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes, it will so'd you say you went and looked
for snowblowers.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I did. I wanted the handheld, you know, the handheld,
the wider one. Yeah, And uh, I just laughed because
I thought about this a couple of weeks ago, because
I'm taking care of my mom's driveway and sidewalk, and
I thought, well, maybe I'll just get one of those
and supportable, and I'm throwing the back of the truck
and go back and.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Forth and say, like the power shovel thing, yeah or
was that that wasn't real snow thrower.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
It was just yeah, just to you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Know, shovel with a kind of blows it away.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah. And they those were available, those displays were totally empty.
And even the ones where the gas powered things, you know. Oh,
I saw two of them sitting in one of the
places and they were empty too. So we went online
and you could find them online. But of course it
was a delivery the twenty second of December.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Something like that, and still snow then.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But that's what we're gonna wind up doing, is order
one online. I don't know if you caught what Joe
Strecker's doing. You know, he's got his wife boughtom a
gas powered one. Yeah, and he had never used it
because it never snowed enough for him to use it.
We went try to start it, couldn't get it started,
so he took it in to get it done. Whatever.
So it's at the shop right now. He bought a
(02:25):
little he bought one of the smaller when handheld ones
and it works okay, but you got to go back and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Forth so he could sell to you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's why I was checking with him to see if
he still use it, because I was going to say,
can I buy it from you? Uh So, anyway he said,
he held up his phone and he said, here's what
I'm doing now, and they and his daughter was taking
a video and he got last this summer, he bought
one of those dragon weed burners.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh jeez, he's got to burn it away.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was out there and then here a little click,
click click, turn it up high and he started walking
up and down the side as driveway melt.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, that is a perfect tool for Joe melting.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And I said, you know what, you look exactly like
Gary Solivon with a powerwasher in his hand. That's a
good tool for him. Yeah, I want pictures of that.
He's got it on video. Oh yeah, I'm serious, and
that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think he and I had a conversation about that
about a year ago. I think that's been on his
mind for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah. Well he couldn't wait, so he let it up
and it worked. It was working pretty nice for him.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So I've never used one, but I've heard of him,
and I always was a little concerned that if that
concrete was really cold, you know where I'm going, Yeah,
what it caused? Does it? Yeah? Does it crack the concrete?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You you know what you think it does?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
As fast as he was moving in across quickly, that
was melting.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't think you're there long enough. I mean, I'm
sure if you just held it there.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would have a problem with you.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So there's a skill and everything.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But there he was said. I told him, I said,
he looked like you with washer. You like the powerwasher
that you do.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know. One of the things nobody ever talks about, really,
is you ever see those snow mats?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Snow mat Yeah? No, so I have.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
To It's been a while since I've seen one. It's
been a while. I have to google that but they're
they're big up north where you can get like a
mat and it's got it heaps up so like you
could put it on the stoop in front of your door,
or maybe the sidewalk down to the driveway comes in
different lengths and it's it's just you know it, it
(04:41):
stays warm. This matt stays warm and so snow doesn't
accumulate on it. I mean, you can't do your whole driveway.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So it's not plugged in or anything, or it is
plugged in.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it is plugged in. So you know, if you're
gonna if you're in an area where you have a
lot of snow, that's certainly an option. And it seems
like this year, like they said, it might be a
snowy year, So.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It might be one of those years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It might be one of those years you want that investment.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Hey, I got a I don't I know you weren't listening,
but I got the folks listen to our show all
these years. Was at an antique show last week in Columbus,
found that Henry Field's seed book Shenandoah, Iowa from nineteen
thirty one. Wow, it's in really good condition. It's actually
has some color illustrations hand drawn on the covers. But
(05:30):
they sell you know, seeds and all kinds of stuff.
But the seed packs are four cents apiece, by the way.
And one of the lines he has in here, and
tell me if you've heard this before, is he said,
I'm going to beat something I've told you in the past.
Plant a good, big garden. That's the way to beat
the high cost of living and the only way to
have the nice, fresh and tasty things that we all like.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know there's a lot of gardens victory gardens.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
During the yep. Well, then we'll think about that. I
mean the thirty one. I mean, what were you two.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Noth of that?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But in the middle of it, they saw so many things.
He was fourteen run.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They have you're on the cover of that seat catalog.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I am around the front there they have the Hendry
Field Company paint.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, and they.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Have all these colors and you can buy paint from him,
and it's in five gallon lots and it's two dollars
per gallon.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Gosh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you get a four inch paint brush with five
gallons or more.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Free, free, that's the deal.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Deal yep.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well we can't even buy a half pint now.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
For Oh and you can paint the barn too, because
they have barn red. Oh yeah, red, lead bright or
dark red. Fifty gallons. It was a buck twenty five a.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Gallon, fifty gallons. Yeah, that's a big barn.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's a lot of paint.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah. Well, the world's changed.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And then on nineteen thirty one, they were also on
two radio stations on a weekly basis talking about gardening.
There you go, RN nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There you go, how about that?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I love reading those old things, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That is pretty cool. So who found that?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It was a couple O Sandra and Tom Zelei from Doyle'stown, Ohio.
They went to Columbus for a big antique show and
said they saw this sitting on a table and said,
let's get that for Ron Wilson and mail it to
them and they did very nice. Yeah, so it's pretty cool, excellent.
Henry Fields is no longer in existence, but Gurney's Seed
and you probably heard of Gurney's. I have bought Henry
(07:36):
Fields and it's now Gurney's Seeds and they're still in existence,
and they have peppers in there they were talking about.
They call them mangoes, which my parents called green peppers. Mangoes. Okay,
that's how they refer to them here. But they're one
hot pepper that they sold. One hot pepper was cayenne. Oh,
and it's called the really hot one.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Descriptive.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You know, my wife would say if she ate that, No, Garry,
this was really hot.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't like hot, even with the cayenne.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Even with it. Why why is my iPad ringing?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't Well, somebody's trying to get a hold of you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, my kar must needs servicing.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, you were you would ask me about pont
Settis last week and we were talking about the leaves
falling off and that's why people throw them away and
all that. I read an article this week somebody talking
about that exact same thing, and they said, what's interesting
is way back when, like seventy sixty seventy years ago,
pont Setti's were kind of leggy anyway back because they
hadn't gotten the hang of really grown them very well.
(08:42):
They would put small greens, evergreen stems in the bottom
of the pot. So you had the evergreens and then
the pond seti of the colorful bracts at the top. Yeah,
And they said, you know, maybe we should start looking
at putting evergreen small pieces back in the pont setia pots.
And it makes a combo planner of both the evergreen
(09:03):
and the pond seti on the top.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And evergreen would stay green for a long while. Yeah,
because it's just a cut branch. Yeah, because it's down
in that moist soil soil. Sure you might even see
it rude start the route, depending on what it is.
But I said, oh, I have to tell Gary about that,
because that's it. That's from seventy years ago. And I
want you to have one of those next year for me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'll have it ready for you.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You well, even a pitcher or you just with your
overalls on holding the pot up and no, what do
you think I would think that looks beautiful?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Do you want my overalls with or without a shirt
or the shorts or the long sleeve?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think a flannel shirt would be appropriate. Okay, you
got to you gotta look like the real McCoy.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
The real like Grandpappy Amos and the birds. The real
McCoy's did you watch that show?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, you could hold your little seap thing in your hand.
What is a pack that costs? Now?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Uh? You know anywhere from a two bucks up? Jesus,
it was four cents back then. What are you gonna talk?
What are you gonna talk about today?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, we're gonna talk about all kinds of things. Seriously,
we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about drainings around your home,
how to do that. We're gonna talk about insurance for
your home. That whole thing's kind of changing a lot.
So Beth Harper is gonna join us on that. And
we're talking about keeping your floors clean from all the
slush and salt. We've got a lot going on there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You go, Ladies and gentlemen. Gary Salvin coming up next.
If he's not coming up next on the radio station
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