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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Do
you know what a flawn is? Fla w n. We're
going to tell you all about what a flawn is
and why you need to have a flawn. And our
flaw and expert is with us this morning. He is
Anthony Need their website flowering lawn dot com. Good morning sir, Hey,
good morning Ron, Thanks for having me back. Hey, good
(00:22):
to have you back on this show. So folks understand
first fall, let's just start out with a simple question.
What is a flawn?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, simply, a flowering lawn is just taking your existing
grass lawn, which we know as a monoculture usually comprised
of you know, European grasses doesn't really do anything for
our pollinators. That's like a food desert, really ecological desert
out there. So we want to add some low growing
wildflowers to your lawn that's going to help benefit the
(00:54):
pollinators but also lower your maintenance, save your time and money.
That is a.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Flawn that sounds like a lot of fun. Now let
me ask you this. We have folks that listen to
our show that have both cool season lawns and they
also have warm season grasses. Does this apply to both
warm and cool season grasses.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. We have a lot of ways to help
you figure out what one is perfect for you on
our website, but really we're talking about zones three through nine.
So we got people that order all the way up
in Alaska and Canada all the way down to Florida.
And yeah, there's different ones that work all over the country,
but most of them are very versatile. These are you know,
(01:35):
a lot of them are natives to North America North America,
are naturalized here in the America, so they're pretty easy
to grow. It's the grasses that, you know, really take
all that high maintenance, and that's what we're trying to
do is lower that maintenance for you, save you some time,
and help the environment and our pollinators out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
At the same time. Anthony Need is with us this morning.
Their website is flowering lawn dot com flowering lawn dot com.
So let me ask you this, Anthony, how did you
get into being an expert with flowering lawns and doing
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? Absolutely, I mean my parents raised me basically outdoors.
We would go to a state park or national park
basically every weekend, taking day trips and stuff, so I
always just was involved in the outdoors from a young age.
After giving my bachelors in marketing in Wisconsin, I just
(02:28):
fell right into the whole Great Recession and could not
find a corporate job, if you will, and didn't really
like all the cubicles and stars and lighting. So I
ended up going back to school for horticulture and that's
where I found my true passion and what I loved most.
And after starting a lawn care company and being out
there spraying chemicals and having to kill off weeds what
(02:50):
people call weeds and they're really just flowers, I just
had an ultimatum for myself and had to do something,
had to make some change. And this is in the
time when there wasn't really many organic options out there,
so I was trying to find safe products for people
and pets. I didn't like seeing people's pets get cancer
from these chemicals and then hearing about all the colony
(03:14):
collapse and all the issues we're having with monarch decline
and our bumble bees and honey bees. So I really
wanted to do something that was safe for kids, pets,
in the environment, and I just started seeding flowers into
lawns and found out that some of them do better
than others. And that's really what our website is all about,
is helping you select the right flowers to put into
(03:36):
your lawn, and you can get color at different times
of the year, you can get different heights, you can
get different textures, and it really is best to have
a variety. We talked about monoculture already, that's just one variety,
like the grass is monoculture. But by having different flowers
in your lawn at different times of the year, you're
attracting different pollinators, and you're supporting different types of pollinators too.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
All right, So somebody's listened to us and they, you know,
let's just say they've got a cool season lawn turf
type to rescue, and they like the lawn. But they
like what they're hearing here because we know the situation
with the pollinators, we know the situation with pollution and
runoff things like that, you know, trying to be more natural,
be more organic, uh in our in our gardening endeavors.
(04:20):
But they say, you know, I really like my lawn,
I like a green lawn. I'm not sure I want
things at flour that's gonna stand out or are my
neighbors going to accept this? Some of these like it
helped me out here. The micro clover, isn't that something
that you really don't notice too much if you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Use that something nail on the head. Yeah, yeah, so
micro clover. It's Latin name is Tripolium reap in variation peopolina.
It is a dwarf. It is. It has basically been
bred to be very very small. I mean it is
smaller than your pinky fingernail. As far as the leafs
go and as far as the block them, there isn't
any it really. It has been bred to not bloom
(05:02):
like our normal Dutch white clover that you may see
pop up here and there in lawns and in other grasses.
So in comparison, much smaller doesn't bloom, and you're still
getting all the benefits that these clovers, which are in
the legume family. They basically they transfer nitrogen from the
(05:23):
air into the soil for you, so you don't need
to be adding all these fertilizers. And obviously we're not
going to be applying any of those hazardous chemicals anymore.
We don't need to do that. The culvers do a
really good job of keeping the lawn healthy sustainable. You
don't need to water as much because clovers are a
broad leaf plant, so grasses as narrow blade stems and leaves.
(05:45):
They just let the sun penetrate and just beat the
ground and dry it out real fast. And our clovers
kind of create this canopy that keep it cool and
moist and prevent it from drying out. They also prevent
weed seeds from being able to get down to the
soil and grow, so it is kind of like a
natural weed prevunner as well.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So I can create a flawn without seeing all the
color there with the white flowers by using the micro clover,
and of course it does all the other benefits for me.
So for the folks that really aren't interested or maybe
they're you know, sometimes there's that stigma I guess you
would say about havings, you know, weeds and flower in
your yard. Here's a situation where you can do that
(06:22):
and it's very you know, not noticeable hardly at all
because of the like you said, the way it grows,
and that's the micro clovers. And again you can learn
more about this on their website. It's Flowering Lawn Dot
com we're talking with Anthony need So, Anthony, I don't
know what the weather's been like in your particular area,
but here we've gone through one of the worst droughts
since nineteen eighty eight and we're just getting some relief
(06:45):
this week thanks to UH Helene and some rain shower.
So most of the lawns around here have been totally dormant.
So as I look at that right now, what would
have happened if I had had a flowering lawn, a
flawn and if I if I don't And I'm looking
right now because we still have time to do some
seeding and redo of our lawns. Is now a good
(07:08):
time to do that? And how would it hold up
in the drought situation?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, great questions. And we shouldn't have to rely on
a hurricane here there to get some moisture in our
in our properties. But that's where we're at right now.
But yeah, we really want to try to establish seeds
at a good time of year. We don't want to
be going out there and seeding this in the middle
of July, So right now is the best time to seed,
especially for you know, your guys area there, And I'm
(07:36):
up in Wisconsin right now the perfect time to seed,
so we get basically the seeds germinated and growing in
nice and straw before winter comes. And by next year,
what you're going to have is a more drought resilient,
drought tolerant lawn because you have these broad leaves in
with the grasses. So like we were talking about it,
it's keeping that ground from drying out so quickly from
(07:58):
the sun beating down on it. You don't have to
mow these as much either. We're reducing your maintenance, so
you're mowing, you know, every three to four weeks instead
of every week, right and and that in itself is
going to allow more vegetative cover of the ground and
it's going to hold moisture, and so it's not going
to dry out. If the culvers do go dormant in
a in an extended drought, they're actually going to go
(08:21):
dormant later than grasses would and they're going to come
out of dormancy quicker than grasses would. So that period
of the time when your lawn is you know, yellow
brown crunchy is going to be shortened for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So then but again clover could it could go dormant,
it will go dormant under extreme conditions, but again, a
little bit of moisture, temperatures cool bit, it'll be the
first one to come right back up for you.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I'm sure you've had other guests on that that
you know, talk about the the staples of watering. If
we want to be doing a deep watering once a
week through a drought, not little waterings here and there,
you really need to soak your lawn until it's wet
to the touch, squishy, and let that soak in. And
that's going to water down to the roots. It's not
not gonna help if we're just getting a little bit
(09:05):
of water on the leaves.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Sure, we're talking about flawn or you know, if you're
not familiar with a flawn, it's a flowering lawn. It's
a combination of flowering plants and your lawn as well,
a great combination of the two to help cut down
on your feeding and maintenance and of course help the pollinators.
And it looks good as well. And if you want
to learn more about their website is flowering lawn dot com.
(09:27):
Talk with Anthony Need and we're gonna take a break
and come back because I got a lot of more
questions on how do how do we go about getting
this thing established? And right now would be a great
time for you to be looking at doing that again.
Go to the website Flowering Lawn dot com. So all
happening here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Ron Wilson. We're talking about flawns. Would you like to
have a flawn we'll learn more about it at flowering
(11:38):
lawn dot com. Anthony Need is with us this morning,
so let me ask you this. You know, we've been
delayed doing any overseating or pretty much any lawn care
because of the draft that we've been going through. Good
moisture back in the ground at this stage. So next
week I say, Okay, I'm gonna go out. Lawn's looking pretty,
it's starting to come back up a little thin. So
I want a core air rate. I want to do
(12:00):
some overseating, which I'll probably use a slice seater, and
then I want to consider using like maybe the micro
clover or whatever may be, whatever I would choose. Where
does that work into the process.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, absolutely, You do all of your prep first, and ideally,
if you want to go to a flaw and you
really don't even need to go through the trouble of
air rating. That is a great practice for maintaining a
normal grass lawn. But if you're looking to just get
the clover integrated in with your existing grass, all you
really need to do is mow it really short, like
right down to the ground and lightly rake and then
(12:35):
shake our seats better right over into the existing grass
so it can be a very very simple process, and
we've taken a lot of time and effort to make
it as easy as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And I even noticed a year on this. You've got
your bundles that you're selling right now, which you actually
get the bundle or whatever you decide to use. Plus
you've got a free spreader involved with that.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, for some of those larger air it is, you know,
nice to have something that can just get that evenly
applicated throughout the whole area. Our shaker spreaders come in
either a tube, a jug or a carton like a
milk tartan eco friendly and those are your spreader too,
and they actually come with compost soil builders all mixed
in with the seed all ready to go. But like
(13:20):
you're talking about overseeing grass, if you want to have
a grasp only area and thicken it up, we do
sell bundles of grass seed with that nice handspreader there.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Interesting, so you know, again putting this down, you know
some we automatically think about starter fertilizers and that in
this case where we're using the flowering plants, we don't
need a starter fertilizer.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No, most likely not. And what you would do Actually,
if you put too much fertilizer on your lawn, you're
just gonna boost your grass growth. And when you're trying
to incorporate another species like the clover, basically what you're
going to do is have the grass out compete those
little seedlings. So ideas we want to try to pull
back on those fertilizers, just just resist the urge really
(14:05):
to feed your lawn and and let the let the
little seed things get established on their own. And these
are these are all you know, a lot of them
are wild flowers, a lot of them are natives to
North America and area, and and they don't need all
this extra help and input that you know, humans have
been doing for grass lawns for for decades now. It's
it's really just let let it be, let nature take
(14:27):
its course, and they'll be just fine.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Seed soil contact always very important when you're putting grass
seed down. I'm assuming the same when we're using the
seeds from from creating our flawn.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, but we don't need to be burying them.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We're not mixing it in you know, soil and putting
it an inch flow or anything like that. You mentioned
it seed soil contact. So that's all we really need.
So when you shake the seed over the top or
use that spreader and spread it out over the top,
just go over lightly. Again, I like to actually take
a plastic leaf break and turn it upside down on
its back and just kind of goes slowly and that
(15:03):
just kind of pushes the seed and the soil together,
making sure we have that good contact.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's a good idea good good tip. Talking with Anthony
Need again their website flowering lawn dot com. So if
I'm looking at a couple of things, your phs of
soils ours is typically in our area about seven two
seven four. How flexible are these these different types of
seeds flowering seeds as far as pH goes, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's it's much more forgivable than it is a draft
that really likes to be in that six and a
half seven range, which is a very narrow margin. And
these clovers and the other wildflowers, like I was saying,
they're adapted to the soils of North America. They've been
here for millennia, and you know, we haven't been out
there applying lime and gyps them and everything for them.
(15:50):
That's it's just nature taking its own course. So these
plants are much more forgivable in soils. They can grow
in loam, sand, silk, clay. So we have a great
little chart on our website. Basically on every page that
shows a product, we have the chart that shows you
what plants do best and what types of soils for you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Sun or shade, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Absolutely, I mean it spans the gamut, and their clovers
are much more shade tolerant than grasses. Obviously at some
point you're going to get to know too much shade.
So what I'd like to say is just take a
little sprinkle. You can either buy a small pouch first
or if you do go all in, just take a
little bit first and sprinkle it from like the trunk
of the tree out towards a more sunny area. And
(16:36):
these are really quick to germinate. The clovers are like
three to five days, so within a week week and
a half you're going to see kind of that point
of diminishing returns of where it is two shade. I mean,
we're not growing directly underneath the pine tree, but if
it's limbed up and you can get parts on parts
shade there, these are going to work much better than
grass as well.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And if I look out there right now, and I've
got a lot of different weeds out there, and I'd
like to get rid of those before I do this
new planting. Should I take care of those first? Do
I not worry about those and just do my flawd seeding?
How would I handle that?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well? This is a great time of year because there
isn't as much pressure from our annual weeds, which have
all basically quit for the year called it called it
the year. Yes, they may have gone to seed, and
there might still be some seeds next year that come up,
but the clovers and these other broad leaves mixed in
with your grasses are going to do a great job
of preventing annual weeds going forward. But if you do
(17:33):
have a severe, you know, creeping time problem, or any
kind of like ground ivy or wild strawberry or something
like that that is real thick on the ground, we've
got to get that vegetation out of the way. Because
we talk about seed soil contact being so important. If
these seeds are just going to land on top of
leaves of other weeds, we got a mole real short.
(17:54):
Either bag your clippings or use like a metal or
a defach rake and try to grab as much that
vegetation and get it out of there. And yeah, don't
mulch mow it back in because a lot of times
especially with like stolen itfferous grasses like creeping bent grass,
and you can be repropagating it, like you can take
creeping Charlie from your front yard to your backyard with
(18:15):
your lawn mower if you're not careful. So bag it up,
get rid of it, come to hot compost it. And
then once you have your ground nice and open, that's
the time to seed and you'll get what you You'll
get more and more of the desirables that you want
and less and less of those weads that you had
and don't want.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And mowing wise, still is it the same practice?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Absolutely not, It can be if you want to. You
talk about the micro clover and like keeping up with
the Joneses in the front yard. You know, so maybe
you're out there every week and it really will look
exactly like a lawn. I mean, you drive by a
micro clover grass lawn and you can't tell the difference
until you're you know, walking on it and looking down.
But those leaves are smaller than your pinky fingernail. For
(18:58):
that micro clover, you might have the that in the
front and then you might have the party in the back.
We call it, you know, the mullet mix, and you
got your whole, you know, slawn with the clover, the
self heel the creeping time that, you know, I like
to let that bloom and it's for the pollinator, So
I don't cut that while it's in bloom. Once you
(19:19):
see the flowers kind of calling it a year and
they start to turn brown, then I kind of cut
the heads off there. So your mowing is reduced about
seventy five percent, you know, at minimum, we do want
to be mowing once in the spring and once in
the fall still, and that's just to try to keep
everything in balance.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Interesting talking with Anthony Need again. Flowering lawn dot Com
is the website. If you're interested, you think you might
want to this is something you might want to do.
If you're in a cool season grass situation right now,
this is the time to do it. Warm season grasses,
I would imagine would be something we would do more
in the spring rather than the fall.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, late late late winter, early springing for you guys there.
But we we sell a Finefesti which is a sustainable
mo less lawn draft that goes from stones three to nine.
So that's a good time to get.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That downe Anthony need always a pleasure, really cool. I mean,
this is a great stuff. Learn more about a flawn.
You may want a flawn instead of the lawn that
you have right now. Go to their website flowering lawn
dot com. That's flowering lawn dot com. After the break,
phone lines are open for you at eight hundred eight
two three, eight two five five. Gary Sullivan coming up
(20:31):
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Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Do
you know what a flawn is? Fla w n. We're
going to tell you all about what a flawn is
and why you need to have a flawn. And our
flaw and expert is with us this morning. He is
Anthony Need their website flowering lawn dot com. Good morning sir, Hey,
good morning Ron, Thanks for having me back. Hey, good
(00:22):
to have you back on this show. So folks understand
first fall, let's just start out with a simple question.
What is a flawn?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, simply, a flowering lawn is just taking your existing
grass lawn, which we know as a monoculture usually comprised
of you know, European grasses doesn't really do anything for
our pollinators. That's like a food desert, really ecological desert
out there. So we want to add some low growing
wildflowers to your lawn that's going to help benefit the
(00:54):
pollinators but also lower your maintenance, save your time and money.
That is a.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Flawn that sounds like a lot of fun. Now let
me ask you this. We have folks that listen to
our show that have both cool season lawns and they
also have warm season grasses. Does this apply to both
warm and cool season grasses.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. We have a lot of ways to help
you figure out what one is perfect for you on
our website, but really we're talking about zones three through nine.
So we got people that order all the way up
in Alaska and Canada all the way down to Florida.
And yeah, there's different ones that work all over the country,
but most of them are very versatile. These are you know,
(01:35):
a lot of them are natives to North America North America,
are naturalized here in the America, so they're pretty easy
to grow. It's the grasses that, you know, really take
all that high maintenance, and that's what we're trying to
do is lower that maintenance for you, save you some time,
and help the environment and our pollinators out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
At the same time. Anthony Need is with us this morning.
Their website is flowering lawn dot com flowering lawn dot com.
So let me ask you this, Anthony, how did you
get into being an expert with flowering lawns and doing
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? Absolutely, I mean my parents raised me basically outdoors.
We would go to a state park or national park
basically every weekend, taking day trips and stuff, so I
always just was involved in the outdoors from a young age.
After giving my bachelors in marketing in Wisconsin, I just
(02:28):
fell right into the whole Great Recession and could not
find a corporate job, if you will, and didn't really
like all the cubicles and stars and lighting. So I
ended up going back to school for horticulture and that's
where I found my true passion and what I loved most.
And after starting a lawn care company and being out
there spraying chemicals and having to kill off weeds what
(02:50):
people call weeds and they're really just flowers, I just
had an ultimatum for myself and had to do something,
had to make some change. And this is in the
time when there wasn't really many organic options out there,
so I was trying to find safe products for people
and pets. I didn't like seeing people's pets get cancer
from these chemicals and then hearing about all the colony
(03:14):
collapse and all the issues we're having with monarch decline
and our bumble bees and honey bees. So I really
wanted to do something that was safe for kids, pets,
in the environment, and I just started seeding flowers into
lawns and found out that some of them do better
than others. And that's really what our website is all about,
is helping you select the right flowers to put into
(03:36):
your lawn, and you can get color at different times
of the year, you can get different heights, you can
get different textures, and it really is best to have
a variety. We talked about monoculture already, that's just one variety,
like the grass is monoculture. But by having different flowers
in your lawn at different times of the year, you're
attracting different pollinators, and you're supporting different types of pollinators too.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
All right, So somebody's listened to us and they, you know,
let's just say they've got a cool season lawn turf
type to rescue, and they like the lawn. But they
like what they're hearing here because we know the situation
with the pollinators, we know the situation with pollution and
runoff things like that, you know, trying to be more natural,
be more organic, uh in our in our gardening endeavors.
(04:20):
But they say, you know, I really like my lawn,
I like a green lawn. I'm not sure I want
things at flour that's gonna stand out or are my
neighbors going to accept this? Some of these like it
helped me out here. The micro clover, isn't that something
that you really don't notice too much if you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Use that something nail on the head. Yeah, yeah, so
micro clover. It's Latin name is Tripolium reap in variation peopolina.
It is a dwarf. It is. It has basically been
bred to be very very small. I mean it is
smaller than your pinky fingernail. As far as the leafs
go and as far as the block them, there isn't
any it really. It has been bred to not bloom
(05:02):
like our normal Dutch white clover that you may see
pop up here and there in lawns and in other grasses.
So in comparison, much smaller doesn't bloom, and you're still
getting all the benefits that these clovers, which are in
the legume family. They basically they transfer nitrogen from the
(05:23):
air into the soil for you, so you don't need
to be adding all these fertilizers. And obviously we're not
going to be applying any of those hazardous chemicals anymore.
We don't need to do that. The culvers do a
really good job of keeping the lawn healthy sustainable. You
don't need to water as much because clovers are a
broad leaf plant, so grasses as narrow blade stems and leaves.
(05:45):
They just let the sun penetrate and just beat the
ground and dry it out real fast. And our clovers
kind of create this canopy that keep it cool and
moist and prevent it from drying out. They also prevent
weed seeds from being able to get down to the
soil and grow, so it is kind of like a
natural weed prevunner as well.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So I can create a flawn without seeing all the
color there with the white flowers by using the micro clover,
and of course it does all the other benefits for me.
So for the folks that really aren't interested or maybe
they're you know, sometimes there's that stigma I guess you
would say about havings, you know, weeds and flower in
your yard. Here's a situation where you can do that
(06:22):
and it's very you know, not noticeable hardly at all
because of the like you said, the way it grows,
and that's the micro clovers. And again you can learn
more about this on their website. It's Flowering Lawn Dot
com we're talking with Anthony need So, Anthony, I don't
know what the weather's been like in your particular area,
but here we've gone through one of the worst droughts
since nineteen eighty eight and we're just getting some relief
(06:45):
this week thanks to UH Helene and some rain shower.
So most of the lawns around here have been totally dormant.
So as I look at that right now, what would
have happened if I had had a flowering lawn, a
flawn and if I if I don't And I'm looking
right now because we still have time to do some
seeding and redo of our lawns. Is now a good
(07:08):
time to do that? And how would it hold up
in the drought situation?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, great questions. And we shouldn't have to rely on
a hurricane here there to get some moisture in our
in our properties. But that's where we're at right now.
But yeah, we really want to try to establish seeds
at a good time of year. We don't want to
be going out there and seeding this in the middle
of July, So right now is the best time to seed,
especially for you know, your guys area there, And I'm
(07:36):
up in Wisconsin right now the perfect time to seed,
so we get basically the seeds germinated and growing in
nice and straw before winter comes. And by next year,
what you're going to have is a more drought resilient,
drought tolerant lawn because you have these broad leaves in
with the grasses. So like we were talking about it,
it's keeping that ground from drying out so quickly from
(07:58):
the sun beating down on it. You don't have to
mow these as much either. We're reducing your maintenance, so
you're mowing, you know, every three to four weeks instead
of every week, right and and that in itself is
going to allow more vegetative cover of the ground and
it's going to hold moisture, and so it's not going
to dry out. If the culvers do go dormant in
a in an extended drought, they're actually going to go
(08:21):
dormant later than grasses would and they're going to come
out of dormancy quicker than grasses would. So that period
of the time when your lawn is you know, yellow
brown crunchy is going to be shortened for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So then but again clover could it could go dormant,
it will go dormant under extreme conditions, but again, a
little bit of moisture, temperatures cool bit, it'll be the
first one to come right back up for you.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I'm sure you've had other guests on that that
you know, talk about the the staples of watering. If
we want to be doing a deep watering once a
week through a drought, not little waterings here and there,
you really need to soak your lawn until it's wet
to the touch, squishy, and let that soak in. And
that's going to water down to the roots. It's not
not gonna help if we're just getting a little bit
(09:05):
of water on the leaves.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Sure, we're talking about flawn or you know, if you're
not familiar with a flawn, it's a flowering lawn. It's
a combination of flowering plants and your lawn as well,
a great combination of the two to help cut down
on your feeding and maintenance and of course help the pollinators.
And it looks good as well. And if you want
to learn more about their website is flowering lawn dot com.
(09:27):
Talk with Anthony Need and we're gonna take a break
and come back because I got a lot of more
questions on how do how do we go about getting
this thing established? And right now would be a great
time for you to be looking at doing that again.
Go to the website Flowering Lawn dot com. So all
happening here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Ron Wilson. We're talking about flawns. Would you like to
have a flawn we'll learn more about it at flowering
(11:38):
lawn dot com. Anthony Need is with us this morning,
so let me ask you this. You know, we've been
delayed doing any overseating or pretty much any lawn care
because of the draft that we've been going through. Good
moisture back in the ground at this stage. So next
week I say, Okay, I'm gonna go out. Lawn's looking pretty,
it's starting to come back up a little thin. So
I want a core air rate. I want to do
(12:00):
some overseating, which I'll probably use a slice seater, and
then I want to consider using like maybe the micro
clover or whatever may be, whatever I would choose. Where
does that work into the process.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, absolutely, You do all of your prep first, and ideally,
if you want to go to a flaw and you
really don't even need to go through the trouble of
air rating. That is a great practice for maintaining a
normal grass lawn. But if you're looking to just get
the clover integrated in with your existing grass, all you
really need to do is mow it really short, like
right down to the ground and lightly rake and then
(12:35):
shake our seats better right over into the existing grass
so it can be a very very simple process, and
we've taken a lot of time and effort to make
it as easy as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And I even noticed a year on this. You've got
your bundles that you're selling right now, which you actually
get the bundle or whatever you decide to use. Plus
you've got a free spreader involved with that.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, for some of those larger air it is, you know,
nice to have something that can just get that evenly
applicated throughout the whole area. Our shaker spreaders come in
either a tube, a jug or a carton like a
milk tartan eco friendly and those are your spreader too,
and they actually come with compost soil builders all mixed
in with the seed all ready to go. But like
(13:20):
you're talking about overseeing grass, if you want to have
a grasp only area and thicken it up, we do
sell bundles of grass seed with that nice handspreader there.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Interesting, so you know, again putting this down, you know
some we automatically think about starter fertilizers and that in
this case where we're using the flowering plants, we don't
need a starter fertilizer.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No, most likely not. And what you would do Actually,
if you put too much fertilizer on your lawn, you're
just gonna boost your grass growth. And when you're trying
to incorporate another species like the clover, basically what you're
going to do is have the grass out compete those
little seedlings. So ideas we want to try to pull
back on those fertilizers, just just resist the urge really
(14:05):
to feed your lawn and and let the let the
little seed things get established on their own. And these
are these are all you know, a lot of them
are wild flowers, a lot of them are natives to
North America and area, and and they don't need all
this extra help and input that you know, humans have
been doing for grass lawns for for decades now. It's
it's really just let let it be, let nature take
(14:27):
its course, and they'll be just fine.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Seed soil contact always very important when you're putting grass
seed down. I'm assuming the same when we're using the
seeds from from creating our flawn.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, but we don't need to be burying them.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We're not mixing it in you know, soil and putting
it an inch flow or anything like that. You mentioned
it seed soil contact. So that's all we really need.
So when you shake the seed over the top or
use that spreader and spread it out over the top,
just go over lightly. Again, I like to actually take
a plastic leaf break and turn it upside down on
its back and just kind of goes slowly and that
(15:03):
just kind of pushes the seed and the soil together,
making sure we have that good contact.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's a good idea good good tip. Talking with Anthony
Need again their website flowering lawn dot com. So if
I'm looking at a couple of things, your phs of
soils ours is typically in our area about seven two
seven four. How flexible are these these different types of
seeds flowering seeds as far as pH goes, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's it's much more forgivable than it is a draft
that really likes to be in that six and a
half seven range, which is a very narrow margin. And
these clovers and the other wildflowers, like I was saying,
they're adapted to the soils of North America. They've been
here for millennia, and you know, we haven't been out
there applying lime and gyps them and everything for them.
(15:50):
That's it's just nature taking its own course. So these
plants are much more forgivable in soils. They can grow
in loam, sand, silk, clay. So we have a great
little chart on our website. Basically on every page that
shows a product, we have the chart that shows you
what plants do best and what types of soils for you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Sun or shade, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Absolutely, I mean it spans the gamut, and their clovers
are much more shade tolerant than grasses. Obviously at some
point you're going to get to know too much shade.
So what I'd like to say is just take a
little sprinkle. You can either buy a small pouch first
or if you do go all in, just take a
little bit first and sprinkle it from like the trunk
of the tree out towards a more sunny area. And
(16:36):
these are really quick to germinate. The clovers are like
three to five days, so within a week week and
a half you're going to see kind of that point
of diminishing returns of where it is two shade. I mean,
we're not growing directly underneath the pine tree, but if
it's limbed up and you can get parts on parts
shade there, these are going to work much better than
grass as well.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And if I look out there right now, and I've
got a lot of different weeds out there, and I'd
like to get rid of those before I do this
new planting. Should I take care of those first? Do
I not worry about those and just do my flawd seeding?
How would I handle that?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well? This is a great time of year because there
isn't as much pressure from our annual weeds, which have
all basically quit for the year called it called it
the year. Yes, they may have gone to seed, and
there might still be some seeds next year that come up,
but the clovers and these other broad leaves mixed in
with your grasses are going to do a great job
of preventing annual weeds going forward. But if you do
(17:33):
have a severe, you know, creeping time problem, or any
kind of like ground ivy or wild strawberry or something
like that that is real thick on the ground, we've
got to get that vegetation out of the way. Because
we talk about seed soil contact being so important. If
these seeds are just going to land on top of
leaves of other weeds, we got a mole real short.
(17:54):
Either bag your clippings or use like a metal or
a defach rake and try to grab as much that
vegetation and get it out of there. And yeah, don't
mulch mow it back in because a lot of times
especially with like stolen itfferous grasses like creeping bent grass,
and you can be repropagating it, like you can take
creeping Charlie from your front yard to your backyard with
(18:15):
your lawn mower if you're not careful. So bag it up,
get rid of it, come to hot compost it. And
then once you have your ground nice and open, that's
the time to seed and you'll get what you You'll
get more and more of the desirables that you want
and less and less of those weads that you had
and don't want.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And mowing wise, still is it the same practice?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Absolutely not, It can be if you want to. You
talk about the micro clover and like keeping up with
the Joneses in the front yard. You know, so maybe
you're out there every week and it really will look
exactly like a lawn. I mean, you drive by a
micro clover grass lawn and you can't tell the difference
until you're you know, walking on it and looking down.
But those leaves are smaller than your pinky fingernail. For
(18:58):
that micro clover, you might have the that in the
front and then you might have the party in the back.
We call it, you know, the mullet mix, and you
got your whole, you know, slawn with the clover, the
self heel the creeping time that, you know, I like
to let that bloom and it's for the pollinator, So
I don't cut that while it's in bloom. Once you
(19:19):
see the flowers kind of calling it a year and
they start to turn brown, then I kind of cut
the heads off there. So your mowing is reduced about
seventy five percent, you know, at minimum, we do want
to be mowing once in the spring and once in
the fall still, and that's just to try to keep
everything in balance.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Interesting talking with Anthony Need again. Flowering lawn dot Com
is the website. If you're interested, you think you might
want to this is something you might want to do.
If you're in a cool season grass situation right now,
this is the time to do it. Warm season grasses,
I would imagine would be something we would do more
in the spring rather than the fall.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, late late late winter, early springing for you guys there.
But we we sell a Finefesti which is a sustainable
mo less lawn draft that goes from stones three to nine.
So that's a good time to get.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That downe Anthony need always a pleasure, really cool. I mean,
this is a great stuff. Learn more about a flawn.
You may want a flawn instead of the lawn that
you have right now. Go to their website flowering lawn
dot com. That's flowering lawn dot com. After the break,
phone lines are open for you at eight hundred eight
two three, eight two five five. Gary Sullivan coming up
(20:31):
in the next hour along with the Buggy Joe Boggs.
Here in the Garden with Ron.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
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