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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Native plants,
native plants. Why are native plants so important? Why are
native plants all of a sudden out there everywhere as
part of the buzz. Why is that happening? Then all
of a sudden, you hear the natives, Then you hear cultivars,
then you hear native VARs. Then you hear wild types
or straight species? Which are better? Which or not? Which
(00:21):
should be used? Can I use them all? It gets
your head just starts to spin when you think of
the world of where we are right now, with these
natives trying to get this more and morning to our landscape. Well,
to straighten us all out, to settle down the whirlwind.
To set us straight is our native expert, mister Bill Debord.
The website is Woody Warehouse dot com. Good morning, sir,
(00:43):
Good morning, mister Wilson. I have just one thing to
say to you this morning. Yes, sir, hook em horns,
thank you so much. Well, you guys got a big
you got a big game ahead of you today.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, if we can put a touch down on the board,
I think we'll be.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, Ball State. What a tough start to get
off to this in the football season.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, you know, we can't all play Texas, so we
gotta pick.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We can get.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think it's gonna be a good game, so we'll
see what happens. But yeah, go whatever you want. That's fine.
I'm surprised you're not rooting for the Big ten though.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, sometimes you gotta poke the.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Bear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, that's right. I don't mind. It gets good. I
think it'll be good. I think it'll be a close game.
I'm glad you brought it up. We appreciate that, mister boridermaker.
All right, Uh, natives, growing natives, natives, cultivars, native oars,
wild types, straight species. It just gets so confusing right now.
And of course everybody that's on the total native fences
(01:44):
only natives. And then you got folks out there like
doctor Alan Army, as you say, who actually came up
with a name native ours. It's okay to use these
selections of natives that are grown by man, and some
people are saying no. And then there's the wide and
I hear wild type when I hear straight species. Set
us straight here, what is the deal?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So ron really what we're talking about and I'm going
to keep it broad and simple. When we're talking straight
species or wild type, all we're saying is that this
is open pollinated, meaning seed is collected from these plants,
that their origins are more of wild It's not something
(02:26):
that was taken from a nursery. This is finding native
plants out there in the landscape in natural areas. When
we're talking about cultivars and there's a couple different layers
to this onion, really what we're talking about a lot
of times, and it gets a little confusing and misleading
(02:47):
and people don't understand it. When we're talking about like
a native ar, that's a selection. All that's saying is
that somebody found some characteristic from a wild type species
that said, I like this this. You know, this plant
stays more compact, it has a bigger flower if flowers longer,
(03:08):
and they selected that plant and then reproduce it, you know,
clonally asexually to maintain those characteristics.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Now, when you and so when you say so, folks
are listening clonally basically it's taken from cuttings.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes, yes, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Because the uh, the fortune or unfortunate thing is when
you do something that's open pollinated, you don't know what
you're gonna get. So when you get wild type plants
that are propagated from seed, you're going to get some
that flower longer, shorter, earlier, later, taller, smaller. You never
know what you're gonna get, and that's kind of some
(03:48):
of the beauty of it. But if you like to
have guarantees, then you know something that is selected for
and cloned will give you more consistent results.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay, an example of that for folks that may have
been shopping in their garden centers this past week, and
the garden centers of let you know, just doing great
this week, the cooler weather, I mean it was ninety
seven I think this time last year, hot and dry.
Who wanted to do anything beautiful weather so far out
in planting right now? If they went out to their
(04:20):
local garden center, who happens to sell some native plants
or native selections. I think one of the examples you
brought up, which I think is great button bush versus
sugar shack button bush.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And I think sometimes when we get enthusiastic people that
just want native plants, they want to insert a wild
type native plant in every space, and that's not always appropriate.
You know, our wild type button bush gets eight ten
feet tall and wide. That doesn't need to go right
(04:56):
next to the foundation of your house. And so when
we look to some of these native rs, they have
been selected to stay smaller, compact, longer flowering, and so
when we have space constraints, there is a good opportunity
(05:17):
to start using some of these native rs in that
space because they will fit and do better less maintenance,
less things that the homeowner has to.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Do with them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
All right, we're talking with Bill Debor. The website is
Woody warehouse dot com. They're a nursery that grows native
plants and great resource. Go to look at their plant
lists on there. Great information for you as well. They
sell to a lot of the garden centers and nurseries
that you may be dealing with. And if your nursery
is having a hard time or garden center stocking themselves
(05:49):
with native plants and they say we can't find them,
give them this this website, what do you warehouse dot
com and say have at it because they have a
great selection. But trying to get this thing straight out
because it can be very confusing. Now, one of the
other arguments that folks, you know, it comes into this mix. Then,
is the native plants the wild type versus the native
(06:10):
ar cultivar? And if we're talking about pollinators, who has
the most nectar and the most pollen and not the selections?
The native of ours may not, and some of them do,
and some of them have even higher than the natives.
But isn't that becoming a part of the argument as well.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, and I did you know.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm sure what you did prior to this run as
looking up academic journals, just like your casual listener does
for this sort of thing. But the research consensus is
we don't know, and it depends. And so I think
if there's the biggest takeaway here, it is you cannot
(06:51):
make bold claims that straight species are always better or
cultivars are always bad, and vice versa. And so I
think when we're trying to, as a consumer make these
conscientious decisions, we have to look at some of the
ecological benefits. You know, is this plant I'll take Echinaesia
(07:14):
for example. Ron So if we have a sterile, double
or triple flowering Echinasia ornamentally great, beautiful, love it. It
is a plant portrait. It is not offering food sources
to pollinators, and likewise it's not going to be producing
seed that goldfinches and other birds will love. And so
(07:36):
from the ecological perspective, it's not very powerful. We look
at the straight specie Acinaesia, and it is a huge
pollinator magnet. And then the second you have you know,
purple cone flower, pale cone flower, any of the native species,
then you produce seed and you'll watch goldfinches, you know,
bounce from plant to plant to plant. So when we're
(07:58):
trying to make this termination, what are we really looking
for is can these insects you know, if we're talking
about caterpillars because we want butterflies, are they going to
feed on that plant? And so even the research here
is conflicted. Sometimes when you start changing the color from
the straight green to a purple or a red or something,
(08:22):
insects may or may not be able to find that
in forage on that quite as well as just the
straight species, but with some of the cultivars, they have
been bred to have longer bloom times or larger blooms,
and so when you start looking at pollinator's ability to
utilize that, now you're doing something that's more advantageous because
(08:45):
there is a longer opening to that buffet for the
pollinators to utilize.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know. I'm caffeinated, so I can go deeper.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And that is deep. I mean I don't want that.
I am. I am.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That is deep stuff. Hey, by the way, before we
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Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, we don't like to. We don't associate the Ohio
part of that, but yes we do.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Okay, just checking a quick break. We come back.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
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Speaker 1 (10:44):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson talking
natives wild type straight species called the bars native ours
with our native plant expert build a bore from a
woody warehouse his website woodywaarhouse dot com. Be sure and
check it out. And I'm serious. If you have a
garden center you work with or and they say they
just can't get native plants, blah blah blah, no good source,
give them that website and then tell them to go
(11:06):
check it out because mister Debor has everything they need
to have native plants in their retail location. You know,
I think you mentioned did you mention Mount Cuba Center
to me in one of our conversations.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, And I think for anyone who kind of wants
to look at simple research and kind of find out
how these straight species versus named cultivars are doing from
a pollinator perspective, that is a wonderful resource and website
to go to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, they've got a great, great The charts are phenomenal.
Somebody had asked me a couple of weeks ago. They
were showing me they're showing a picture of hydrangis and
somebody's and they're beekeepers and wanted to know, if you know,
do the bees come to that particular one. And they said, no,
I really don't see too many bees on this one,
but I do get it on this one. And of
course I went to Mount Cuba Center. Of course they've
(11:58):
got a whole chart the hydrange is, you know, especially
the arborescence, which is the wild hydrangeer for the middle landing.
And you know, it showed the different native of ours
that are ranked just as high as the wild species,
and then it was amazing how many weren't good at
all for the pollinators. So yeah, they've done an excellent job.
And a great source that would be Mount Cubas Center.
(12:22):
I think it's Mount Cubacenter dot org if I'm not mistaken,
but be sure and check that out if you're really
interested in finding out. They'd have done an excellent job.
And I'm sure you've visited there many times.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I have frequent their trial garden research findings because it's
always good to stay on top of how certain things
are doing and ranked in terms of ecological benefits. And
that is one of the few sources that's actually looking
at that, so really good source.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and that's open to the public and they have
classes and things there and it's a great place to visit.
Put it on your bucket list. It's the Mount Cuba
Center and check it out. And even recommended by mister
Bill from a Woody warehouse. So, you know, for folks
that are listening and are saying, okay, so native plants,
I get it, things have been growing here. How what
is the criteria to officially be called a native plant
(13:14):
for our area?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, and that really depends on how strict UH the
definition you're looking for, Ron. I think my mind tends
to be a little more liberal, just because I'm in sales.
A lot of people, especially like USDA, when they're coming
they're looking at historical records and going out and whether
(13:39):
or not they find that plant there or have historical
records to say, you know, that plant was found there
at one hundred you know or so years ago. From
my perspective is I have a broader context where I
look at geographical locations, and so I may say something like, hey,
this is me to the Midwest. That does not mean
(14:02):
it's appropriate for all of the Midwest. But I look
at native in terms of geographical locations. So something that
does well in middle southern Kentucky is probably not going
to do well in Michigan, although it may be the
exact same, you know, species that we're talking about. So
(14:24):
we always have to take into account local climates and
whether or not that species will do well. And we
see that even in the native cultivars, if it is
a more southern UH selection, that may not perform as
well in colder climates and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right talking about Bill Deborg in the website is a
woody warehouse. Dot org yeah, dot com.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, we're for profits dot com.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Uh yeah, and uh anyway, talk at native plants and
native ours and the wild species and all that it gets,
and it can't get very confusing. So, you know, I
think with Bill, as you and I talk, and we
we've talked a lot over the last few years and
talking about this as it's coming along, as we look
at landscaping and trying to use more native plants diversity,
(15:18):
it sounds to me and that's what I've always kind
of gone with. Seems to be, you know, look at
the natives if they work for the particular location, like
you were saying, if not, look at the native ours
or the cultivars of those native plants and use those.
And you know, I also look at it this way.
I look at and say, you know, if you really want
to if you've already got an existing landscape, don't you
(15:40):
know you don't want to tear.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It all out? Start?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
How about you know, we talk about creating pollinator gardens,
why can't we do that with our pollinator gardens because
and create native plant gardens where it's both woody shrubs,
you know, evergreens, perennials and et cetera, et cetera that
are native and make it more of a native garden.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and I hear, I see, I listen to a
lot of people that start getting emotional about native plants,
you know. I hear people that just say, well, this
isn't native, so we've got to rip it out and
start and everything has to be native. I don't think
we need to go to that point. I think, as
(16:24):
you were detailing, start somewhere, and I think you're going
to be at awe of how small changes can have
big impacts. You know, we just had our annual field
day for wholesale customers at the nurcery last week, and
we're walking past our herbaceous section with one gallon herbaceous natives,
(16:47):
and we had meadow Blazing Star, which is a leatres
that gets four or five almost six feet with the
floral spike. And all these customers were watching in awe
as there was thirty forty monarchs flying all over this plant.
(17:08):
And I would be surprised if it wasn't twenty five
to forty percent of the people that walk past there
walked out with meadow Blazing Star from you know, our
field day. And so the reason I tell that story
is you can have that sort of impact by a
singular plant if you choose. You don't have to start
(17:31):
by saying, hey, I'm going to do sixty seventy natives.
Makes that one selection and watch what happens when you
add that to your landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, And I think a great point. And then and
then take it from there and continue to expand and
work and again perennials, woody shrubs, trees are included in
that as well, and see where it takes you. And
I think that's I think that's the best way to
do it. Little diversity and work it, work it out,
and work its as goes alone. I guess, you know,
(18:05):
research on the native ours is that, you know, are
we seeing more and more of that all the time,
more selections of native of ours coming out there. It
seems to me they are.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, And I, you know, doing research for this, I
saw more research out there than you know, I previously
had seen. But compared to you know, more traditional horticulture research,
it's still very limited. And so the question remains, are
all of these things okay? And the answer is, we
(18:35):
don't know. Some of them may be less beneficial than others.
But once again, where we start philosophically having this conversation
is we need more native plants in the landscape. And
so while a named cultivar nine bark may not be
ecologically as beneficial as like a straight species nine bark,
(19:00):
still holds value. And so we don't have to rank
and file and say, well, it's terrible if you're not
just using straight species natives. I think the need is
there that we need more green spaces, we need more diversity,
and we need to help these you know, organisms and
and you know out to help rebound from some of
(19:24):
the things we've done. And we can't do that as
long as we're not focused on the purity aspect.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
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Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, I think we're going to leave you in a
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Speaker 1 (19:42):
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Woodiwarehouse dot Com appreciate you spending time with us this morning,
and you too, roun All right, take care, build a
boar woodiwarehouse dot com, and again give that to your
local garden center or our nursery. If they don't have
a good supply of native plants for you, there's a
(20:04):
great source for them to have them for you. All right,
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So let's do it yourself gardener at one eight hundred
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Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Native plants,
native plants. Why are native plants so important? Why are
native plants all of a sudden out there everywhere as
part of the buzz. Why is that happening? Then all
of a sudden, you hear the natives, Then you hear cultivars,
then you hear native VARs. Then you hear wild types
or straight species? Which are better? Which or not? Which
(00:21):
should be used? Can I use them all? It gets
your head just starts to spin when you think of
the world of where we are right now, with these
natives trying to get this more and morning to our landscape. Well,
to straighten us all out, to settle down the whirlwind.
To set us straight is our native expert, mister Bill Debord.
The website is Woody Warehouse dot com. Good morning, sir,
(00:43):
Good morning, mister Wilson. I have just one thing to
say to you this morning. Yes, sir, hook em horns,
thank you so much. Well, you guys got a big
you got a big game ahead of you today.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, if we can put a touch down on the board,
I think we'll be.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, Ball State. What a tough start to get
off to this in the football season.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, you know, we can't all play Texas, so we
gotta pick.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We can get.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think it's gonna be a good game, so we'll
see what happens. But yeah, go whatever you want. That's fine.
I'm surprised you're not rooting for the Big ten though.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, sometimes you gotta poke the.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Bear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, that's right. I don't mind. It gets good. I
think it'll be good. I think it'll be a close game.
I'm glad you brought it up. We appreciate that, mister boridermaker.
All right, Uh, natives, growing natives, natives, cultivars, native oars,
wild types, straight species. It just gets so confusing right now.
And of course everybody that's on the total native fences
(01:44):
only natives. And then you got folks out there like
doctor Alan Army, as you say, who actually came up
with a name native ours. It's okay to use these
selections of natives that are grown by man, and some
people are saying no. And then there's the wide and
I hear wild type when I hear straight species. Set
us straight here, what is the deal?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So ron really what we're talking about and I'm going
to keep it broad and simple. When we're talking straight
species or wild type, all we're saying is that this
is open pollinated, meaning seed is collected from these plants,
that their origins are more of wild It's not something
(02:26):
that was taken from a nursery. This is finding native
plants out there in the landscape in natural areas. When
we're talking about cultivars and there's a couple different layers
to this onion, really what we're talking about a lot
of times, and it gets a little confusing and misleading
(02:47):
and people don't understand it. When we're talking about like
a native ar, that's a selection. All that's saying is
that somebody found some characteristic from a wild type species
that said, I like this this. You know, this plant
stays more compact, it has a bigger flower if flowers longer,
(03:08):
and they selected that plant and then reproduce it, you know,
clonally asexually to maintain those characteristics.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Now, when you and so when you say so, folks
are listening clonally basically it's taken from cuttings.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes, yes, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Because the uh, the fortune or unfortunate thing is when
you do something that's open pollinated, you don't know what
you're gonna get. So when you get wild type plants
that are propagated from seed, you're going to get some
that flower longer, shorter, earlier, later, taller, smaller. You never
know what you're gonna get, and that's kind of some
(03:48):
of the beauty of it. But if you like to
have guarantees, then you know something that is selected for
and cloned will give you more consistent results.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay, an example of that for folks that may have
been shopping in their garden centers this past week, and
the garden centers of let you know, just doing great
this week, the cooler weather, I mean it was ninety
seven I think this time last year, hot and dry.
Who wanted to do anything beautiful weather so far out
in planting right now? If they went out to their
(04:20):
local garden center, who happens to sell some native plants
or native selections. I think one of the examples you
brought up, which I think is great button bush versus
sugar shack button bush.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And I think sometimes when we get enthusiastic people that
just want native plants, they want to insert a wild
type native plant in every space, and that's not always appropriate.
You know, our wild type button bush gets eight ten
feet tall and wide. That doesn't need to go right
(04:56):
next to the foundation of your house. And so when
we look to some of these native rs, they have
been selected to stay smaller, compact, longer flowering, and so
when we have space constraints, there is a good opportunity
(05:17):
to start using some of these native rs in that
space because they will fit and do better less maintenance,
less things that the homeowner has to.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Do with them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
All right, we're talking with Bill Debor. The website is
Woody warehouse dot com. They're a nursery that grows native
plants and great resource. Go to look at their plant
lists on there. Great information for you as well. They
sell to a lot of the garden centers and nurseries
that you may be dealing with. And if your nursery
is having a hard time or garden center stocking themselves
(05:49):
with native plants and they say we can't find them,
give them this this website, what do you warehouse dot
com and say have at it because they have a
great selection. But trying to get this thing straight out
because it can be very confusing. Now, one of the
other arguments that folks, you know, it comes into this mix. Then,
is the native plants the wild type versus the native
(06:10):
ar cultivar? And if we're talking about pollinators, who has
the most nectar and the most pollen and not the selections?
The native of ours may not, and some of them do,
and some of them have even higher than the natives.
But isn't that becoming a part of the argument as well.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, and I did you know.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm sure what you did prior to this run as
looking up academic journals, just like your casual listener does
for this sort of thing. But the research consensus is
we don't know, and it depends. And so I think
if there's the biggest takeaway here, it is you cannot
(06:51):
make bold claims that straight species are always better or
cultivars are always bad, and vice versa. And so I
think when we're trying to, as a consumer make these
conscientious decisions, we have to look at some of the
ecological benefits. You know, is this plant I'll take Echinaesia
(07:14):
for example. Ron So if we have a sterile, double
or triple flowering Echinasia ornamentally great, beautiful, love it. It
is a plant portrait. It is not offering food sources
to pollinators, and likewise it's not going to be producing
seed that goldfinches and other birds will love. And so
(07:36):
from the ecological perspective, it's not very powerful. We look
at the straight specie Acinaesia, and it is a huge
pollinator magnet. And then the second you have you know,
purple cone flower, pale cone flower, any of the native species,
then you produce seed and you'll watch goldfinches, you know,
bounce from plant to plant to plant. So when we're
(07:58):
trying to make this termination, what are we really looking
for is can these insects you know, if we're talking
about caterpillars because we want butterflies, are they going to
feed on that plant? And so even the research here
is conflicted. Sometimes when you start changing the color from
the straight green to a purple or a red or something,
(08:22):
insects may or may not be able to find that
in forage on that quite as well as just the
straight species, but with some of the cultivars, they have
been bred to have longer bloom times or larger blooms,
and so when you start looking at pollinator's ability to
utilize that, now you're doing something that's more advantageous because
(08:45):
there is a longer opening to that buffet for the
pollinators to utilize.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know. I'm caffeinated, so I can go deeper.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And that is deep. I mean I don't want that.
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That is deep stuff. Hey, by the way, before we
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Well, we don't like to. We don't associate the Ohio
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Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson talking
natives wild type straight species called the bars native ours
with our native plant expert build a bore from a
woody warehouse his website woodywaarhouse dot com. Be sure and
check it out. And I'm serious. If you have a
garden center you work with or and they say they
just can't get native plants, blah blah blah, no good source,
give them that website and then tell them to go
(11:06):
check it out because mister Debor has everything they need
to have native plants in their retail location. You know,
I think you mentioned did you mention Mount Cuba Center
to me in one of our conversations.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, And I think for anyone who kind of wants
to look at simple research and kind of find out
how these straight species versus named cultivars are doing from
a pollinator perspective, that is a wonderful resource and website
to go to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, they've got a great, great The charts are phenomenal.
Somebody had asked me a couple of weeks ago. They
were showing me they're showing a picture of hydrangis and
somebody's and they're beekeepers and wanted to know, if you know,
do the bees come to that particular one. And they said, no,
I really don't see too many bees on this one,
but I do get it on this one. And of
course I went to Mount Cuba Center. Of course they've
(11:58):
got a whole chart the hydrange is, you know, especially
the arborescence, which is the wild hydrangeer for the middle landing.
And you know, it showed the different native of ours
that are ranked just as high as the wild species,
and then it was amazing how many weren't good at
all for the pollinators. So yeah, they've done an excellent job.
And a great source that would be Mount Cubas Center.
(12:22):
I think it's Mount Cubacenter dot org if I'm not mistaken,
but be sure and check that out if you're really
interested in finding out. They'd have done an excellent job.
And I'm sure you've visited there many times.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I have frequent their trial garden research findings because it's
always good to stay on top of how certain things
are doing and ranked in terms of ecological benefits. And
that is one of the few sources that's actually looking
at that, so really good source.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and that's open to the public and they have
classes and things there and it's a great place to visit.
Put it on your bucket list. It's the Mount Cuba
Center and check it out. And even recommended by mister
Bill from a Woody warehouse. So, you know, for folks
that are listening and are saying, okay, so native plants,
I get it, things have been growing here. How what
is the criteria to officially be called a native plant
(13:14):
for our area?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, and that really depends on how strict UH the
definition you're looking for, Ron. I think my mind tends
to be a little more liberal, just because I'm in sales.
A lot of people, especially like USDA, when they're coming
they're looking at historical records and going out and whether
(13:39):
or not they find that plant there or have historical
records to say, you know, that plant was found there
at one hundred you know or so years ago. From
my perspective is I have a broader context where I
look at geographical locations, and so I may say something like, hey,
this is me to the Midwest. That does not mean
(14:02):
it's appropriate for all of the Midwest. But I look
at native in terms of geographical locations. So something that
does well in middle southern Kentucky is probably not going
to do well in Michigan, although it may be the
exact same, you know, species that we're talking about. So
(14:24):
we always have to take into account local climates and
whether or not that species will do well. And we
see that even in the native cultivars, if it is
a more southern UH selection, that may not perform as
well in colder climates and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right talking about Bill Deborg in the website is a
woody warehouse. Dot org yeah, dot com.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, we're for profits dot com.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Uh yeah, and uh anyway, talk at native plants and
native ours and the wild species and all that it gets,
and it can't get very confusing. So, you know, I
think with Bill, as you and I talk, and we
we've talked a lot over the last few years and
talking about this as it's coming along, as we look
at landscaping and trying to use more native plants diversity,
(15:18):
it sounds to me and that's what I've always kind
of gone with. Seems to be, you know, look at
the natives if they work for the particular location, like
you were saying, if not, look at the native ours
or the cultivars of those native plants and use those.
And you know, I also look at it this way.
I look at and say, you know, if you really want
to if you've already got an existing landscape, don't you
(15:40):
know you don't want to tear.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It all out? Start?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
How about you know, we talk about creating pollinator gardens,
why can't we do that with our pollinator gardens because
and create native plant gardens where it's both woody shrubs,
you know, evergreens, perennials and et cetera, et cetera that
are native and make it more of a native garden.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and I hear, I see, I listen to a
lot of people that start getting emotional about native plants,
you know. I hear people that just say, well, this
isn't native, so we've got to rip it out and
start and everything has to be native. I don't think
we need to go to that point. I think, as
(16:24):
you were detailing, start somewhere, and I think you're going
to be at awe of how small changes can have
big impacts. You know, we just had our annual field
day for wholesale customers at the nurcery last week, and
we're walking past our herbaceous section with one gallon herbaceous natives,
(16:47):
and we had meadow Blazing Star, which is a leatres
that gets four or five almost six feet with the
floral spike. And all these customers were watching in awe
as there was thirty forty monarchs flying all over this plant.
(17:08):
And I would be surprised if it wasn't twenty five
to forty percent of the people that walk past there
walked out with meadow Blazing Star from you know, our
field day. And so the reason I tell that story
is you can have that sort of impact by a
singular plant if you choose. You don't have to start
(17:31):
by saying, hey, I'm going to do sixty seventy natives.
Makes that one selection and watch what happens when you
add that to your landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, And I think a great point. And then and
then take it from there and continue to expand and
work and again perennials, woody shrubs, trees are included in
that as well, and see where it takes you. And
I think that's I think that's the best way to
do it. Little diversity and work it, work it out,
and work its as goes alone. I guess, you know,
(18:05):
research on the native ours is that, you know, are
we seeing more and more of that all the time,
more selections of native of ours coming out there. It
seems to me they are.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, And I, you know, doing research for this, I
saw more research out there than you know, I previously
had seen. But compared to you know, more traditional horticulture research,
it's still very limited. And so the question remains, are
all of these things okay? And the answer is, we
(18:35):
don't know. Some of them may be less beneficial than others.
But once again, where we start philosophically having this conversation
is we need more native plants in the landscape. And
so while a named cultivar nine bark may not be
ecologically as beneficial as like a straight species nine bark,
(19:00):
still holds value. And so we don't have to rank
and file and say, well, it's terrible if you're not
just using straight species natives. I think the need is
there that we need more green spaces, we need more diversity,
and we need to help these you know, organisms and
and you know out to help rebound from some of
(19:24):
the things we've done. And we can't do that as
long as we're not focused on the purity aspect.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Mister Bildeboor woodiwearhouse dot com, when you and missus Debor
are out gardening this weekend, will you be guarding natively?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, I think we're going to leave you in a
little bit of lay for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, got it? Hey, uh go boiler makers. I hope
you guys do well. Good talking with you, great information again,
Woodiwarehouse dot Com appreciate you spending time with us this morning,
and you too, roun All right, take care, build a
boar woodiwarehouse dot com, and again give that to your
local garden center or our nursery. If they don't have
a good supply of native plants for you, there's a
(20:04):
great source for them to have them for you. All right,
quick break, we come back. Phone lines are open for
you at eight hundred eight two three eight two five
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