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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bulcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson, his
time for a little Southern gardening with our Southern Gardener.
He is a tell you what I could go through
this forever. He's an Extension Research Professor Emeritus of Horticulture,
Mississippi State Fellow, American Society of Horticulture Science, Great American Gardener,
American Horticulture Society. Of course, his award winning book is
one of the best out there. It's called Southern Gardening
(00:22):
All Year Long. Be sure and check it out if
you live in the northches Dad a couple of weeks
to it. You got it made. His website is Gary
Dashgroves dot com. Ladies and Gentlemen, Our Southern Gardener, Head
grower for Heritage Cottage Urban Nano Farm, Gary Bachman. They
(00:44):
called him mister love of Lover, mister boombasted.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh you are never gonna let me. You're never gonna
let me forget that, are you? Ron?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He told me about it as soon as I came
in this morning. I laughed out loud when I saw that.
I said, that was hilarious. Good morning, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh that was that darn that darn auto pill on
the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You look at I say, yeah, darn thing. Yeah, I
know you blame it on the phone. That's fine, We've
got that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, that's my story.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm gonna I was going to say, we've heard stories
that alone. All right, So we are we are experiencing
all Summer's been hot, has been humid, timely rain showers.
But man, I look down at you guys, I'm kind
of glad I don't live in Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Listen, I walked the dog now because I wanted to
wake up in time, unlike last week. I was up
at three o'clock this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Wow, so we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But it was eight It was eighty three degrees when
I was walking the dog at three am.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yikes.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It is just brutal out there.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'm going to guess that the humidity probably matched the temperature.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Very very very close. I think I looked at the
at the heat indecks it was already ninety eight or
some crazy number.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, it was just I was drenched when I came
back in. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, we've always noticed that you don't have that
southern accent, so you know, we're assuming you, you know,
showed up down in the Southern states, coming from the
north to the south. What made you make that decision.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, it's funny. We moved to South Carolina in seventy
eight from Detroit, so and lived there for fifteen years,
so we got kind of acclimated to that, and then
then moved back up to Columbus. You know, from my
PhD went to Tennessee, went to Illinois, got an opportunity
to come south, and I like it because, look, you
(02:47):
don't have to shovel sunshine here. Except this year in
January we had that snowstorm. We had eight inches of
snow that fell in eight hours, but on a Tuesday.
But by Friday it was completely gone.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I was going to say, how long did it take
to go away?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It was completely gone by Friday. Yeah, so yeah, that's
the kind of snow I'll handle. And that was the
first snow I had seen in sixteen years. So it's like, okay,
it was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So you can get acclimated to that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I say, I say that kind of tongue in cheek.
Can't just put it that way, got it. So in
the summertime, it's change clothes. I've changed clothes four times
in a day just because you just you just get drenched.
But you can wear shorts twelve months out of the
year here too.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, I can wear twelve I do it here, so
does Danny twelve months out of the year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I mean when I was in Columbus. Yeah, I
wore shorts twelve months out of the year there too.
So but you don't get cold, no, I got.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I get where you're coming from. Gary Bakman's our southern gardener,
and of course you can check out his website is
Gary Dashgroves dot com. Of course he's also the head
grower for Heritage Cotta's Urban Nano Farm and as a
little seat supply for you as well. So as we
look down south right now. You had mentioned to me
when I we had talked last week about getting you
on the show, that you are now in that in
(04:14):
between the really nasty period of time between the spring
season and the late summer fall season.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yep. And I was going to tell you just give me,
you know, twenty seconds here, I'll run down the seasons
that we have here. Okay, in January we have winter,
then we have fake spring, then we have winter two,
then we have Spring of Deception, winner three, the pollening,
then we finally get the spring, and then summer starts
(04:47):
on April fifteenth, So we have like seven seasons in
you know, three and a half months. We get into
summer and it's hot right now. We're into the period
of time we call front porch hell because it is
just too hot outside front. And then we'll get to
get into we'll get in we'll get into fake fall. Yeah,
(05:08):
summer comes back, and then we get into real fall,
like November fifteenth. So you know, we have interesting seasons
down here. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
When you when you're talking about fake fall, I mean,
are you talking about the temperatures really dropped for a
while and then come back up again.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, Labor Day kind of in that first part of September,
it's not unusual to get three or four days where
the tempts go down to eighty five. Well, I mean
when it's ninety five, goes down to eighty five. Man,
this is pretty cool. This is nice out here. Yes,
but then it gets it gets hot again through most
(05:46):
of October. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. But like I say,
you know, we don't have to deal with snow. I
think that's a plus.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I get it. So if I look out in your
backyard right now at you one hundred and forty two
earth boxes, is that you have all planted and all
your other containers. Are you done with the spring the
first season? Uh, now you're harvesting and then you get
ready to go into the second season.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, tomato, tomatoes are done. I grow tomatoes, I split
them into spring and fall. I pulled the tomatoes. Oh
it was before July one. It got so hot and
we had so much rain. It just obliterated the tomato crop.
And that's kind of what everybody's experienced this year, and
(06:32):
it just happens that way sometimes. We're right now, backyard
is all full of peppers. You know. I'm growing unusual
peppers for seed collection and then to go into it
to go into my little seed chop.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So you're kind of specializing in peppers.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right now. Okay, and I'll go I'll go back. I've
already got tomatoes transplants started, will go. Those will go
into earth boxes middle of next month and then we'll
just ride the tomatoes right right through the fall till
we get to a first frost. And so the fall
(07:10):
is really a better time to grow tomatoes in my opinion,
for you just moderating, moderating temperatures. It's just not as
hot peppers right now. Peppers in the fall is the
best time to grow peppers too. So I just think
the spring just gets too hot too quick for a
lot for a lot of our crops right down here
(07:33):
on the coast in zone nine A. So that's the
kind of kind of the strategy that I use.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So when you're looking at selections, especially of course with
your with your earth boxes, do you use more determinants
selections or do you do both determinant and indeterminate and
then there are there selections of tomatoes that perform better
for you in that heat.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That that's one of the things that that I've done
over the years, looking for tomatoes that do well, you
know in our environment. Yeah, I grow primarily determinate tomatoes
because in the in the spring, they're in April first,
they're out by fourth of July, so we just get
that about the six seven week production period, which is
(08:16):
which is fine for determinants. Do that again, do that
again in the fall with the determinants we've done. We
did a study several years ago using looking at fall
tomatoes with indeterminate plants and the indeterminate plants. They all
grew great, but the fruit did not want to did
(08:36):
not want to ripen. And it was really a function
of decreasing temperatures, decreasing sunlight, and that indeterminate plant wanted
to grow vegetatively but also grow reproductively, and there just
wasn't enough energy there to complete that reproductive process. And
so I don't I don't grow any any indeterminate tomatoes
(09:01):
just because it's not it's not worth the time for
the little production that that I that I get here
in zone nine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
A got it? So do any of your selections of
determinants and and I'm assuming you do a hybrids and
air loads, but any of those cross over to some
of the lists that we would see in zone six.
Oh sure, okay, you know we.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Grow, we grow. You know, fourth of July. You turned
me on to that one, but I call it fourth
of June. That's when it that's when, that's when it
that's when it ripens. Yeah, we do get that cross
So we do get that crossover. And I'll tell you
if you sent me those seeds that big dwarf, Yes,
(09:45):
what what a vigorous plant. It handled the heat, but
trying to know something. The fruit didn't ripen if they
it took too long for that fruit to ripen. And
they they were a great look complants, but they but
they weren't productive in our environment. I would really impress
the dense, full, robust, but we didn't get any fruit off.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, you're you're explaining that, you're explaining the ones that
are here also right now from the ones I have,
it's you're exactly right. The plant looks great, dark green,
a stocky, and we do have some fruit and there's
one on there that's probably four inches in diameter and
it looks like it's going to come on one. It's
got blossom in rod. But not high production so far anyway,
which we've kind of had an issue here this year
(10:33):
because of the weather. It was really lit for us
as well, and production has been low. But so far
production of the plant not as what I had anticipated.
But the plant itself a tough little cookie. It's a
good look at plants.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So yeah, I was very impressed. I was very hopeful,
and it's like, oh my gosh, here's here's a tomato
that maybe can stand up to you know, the heat
and the humidity that that's just the down fall of
many of the tomatoes it's made that heirlooms, especially then
we try and grow here.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Got it talking with Gary Bachman. He is the head
grower for Heritage Cottage Urban Nano Farm. His website Garydashgroves
dot com. We'll take a quick break find out more
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, our Southern gardener, mister Gary Bombastik Bachmann,
headgrower for Harry's Corgan Nano Farm. His website is Gary
dash grows dot com. Be sharing, check it out, Always
have fun with Gary. And uh, you know, are you
doing you still do the micro greens indoors?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Absolutely, I don't do. I don't do them to the
extent that I did and when when we were at
the market and selling to the restaurants and things. But
but I've I've always got four trays going bags of
them in the in the refrigerator and oh yeah, it's
it's a fun, easy way to get some, you know,
(13:28):
to get some easy, easy growing greens. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So if you have four trays, do you have your
favorites or do you grow basically the same thing all
the time. I love I love the cilantro ones. I
think they're cilantro ones which are kind of interesting, little
at little cilantro bite. But radishes I think are great.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, radishes are good. I tend to like the kale
and the and the broccoli. There. There's a Johnny's has
a kale mix called Kalette and and it's a it's
a mix of three or four different kales that are
all different colors and leaf shapes. I also like red choy.
(14:06):
That that's basically I don't like, you know, some of
the random mixes that they have. And I do some
of the I do some of the herbs sometimes, but
but the herb microgreens they're a little finicky and I
sometimes I just don't have the patience to to grow those.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
What mister lover Lover doesn't have the patience for some
of the microgreens.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, listen, I want I want to make things easy. Yeah.
And you know a guy that likes things easy.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
His name's Gary too. Oh, I know it is that
it could talk with Gary Bachman again. His website is
garydashgrows dot com. And if you're ever interested in growing
microgreens indoors twofold one. I have a couple of tip
sheets that he wrote a few years ago that they're
(14:56):
absolutely outstanding, probably two of the best, and I keep
the links to those on hand all the time. We're
happy to send that to you. But it's a great
way to learn, and he mentioned Johnny Seeds. Johnny Seeds
probably has three pages of micro green seeds that you
can order. Unbelievable some of the plants on there. I
had no idea you to grow as a micro green
(15:17):
and eat them, eat them fresh like that. But it's crazy.
But if you want to try it, and it's like
Gary said, it's really actually pretty easy to do, and
you can get into it at all levels and you
can do it year round. Doesn't take a whole lot,
But let me know and I'll leave ellos back to you.
But they are truly two of the best the tip
sheets I've ever seen when it comes to growing microgreens,
(15:38):
and Gary Bachman had everything to do with that. So
we'll send them to you and can check it out.
So as we look outside right now, looking at your lawn.
I'm assuming these warm season grasses are loving it or
do they hate the ups and downs too?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
They are loving the temperature. There are times when they
don't like all the rain. But when we've been getting
like two or three days where we get like an
inch and a half a day and and everything just
gets soggy. And what that does that that creates conditions
for dollar weed to pop up, because that's where dollar
(16:14):
weed's really an aquatic plant. But but when you see
it in your lawn, that means, man, it is just
too wet out there.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's tough to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It tends, it tends. It is very hard to get
rid of it really is. Sometimes I kind of look
at it. I used to fight it, but I'm thinking, man,
it's green, you know. And if if people are just
driving by, you know, the God, look, Gary's lawn looking
pretty green out there, you know, as long as you
don't look too close. Sometimes that.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Was my old predecessor used to say, if it's green
from the street, you're okay, listen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And my batchor's is in turf management, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But I'm kind of I'm kind of thinking I'm kind
of okay with Hey, it looks green. I'm good. We'll
just go with that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh, I love it all right. So let's go past
your yard then in the lawn and let's look at
the hell strip out between the sidewalk and the street.
Because Gary Bachman every year does something different with that
hell strip out there, and it's very unique. As a
matter of fact, one year he was growing wheats and
grains and things like that. What do you got out
there this year?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This year, I'm growing a small mix of zinnia that
I've been I've been collecting the seeds over the years
and it's gonna be an item for my seed store.
But it's a mix of small flowered zinia that only
get eighteen to twenty four inches high. Nice, and so
I've been saved keeping those kind of isolated, saving the seeds,
(17:46):
growing those back out again. And yeah, it's actually turned
out turned out pretty good. You know. It's like I say,
they're only about twenty four inches tall, you know, the
small one inch one and a half inch flowers, and
it just it just gives a real different look than
some of those big, you know, three four inch in
the elegance that that we that we that are great
(18:08):
for cutting and it's just just just a nice option.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'll bet the pollinators are loving that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Man butterflies are all over it. Lots of swallow tails,
the giant swallowtail, which is the caterpillars forage on the
citrus trees. Haven't seen I haven't seen any monarchs, which
really kind of disappoints me because I'm an oe monitoring
site here on the coast. Oe is that is that
(18:38):
that monarch parasite and and so we we we catch
the monarchs and we grab them and put some tape
on their abdomen, and so you can pull some scales
off you and you can see the the the parasite,
the spores if they're if they're on there. I just
did a a video, you know that. I've got a
(19:00):
post of taking a monarch that I got a caterpillar
raised it and sampling it. So I've got to I've
got to post that. But it's it's you know, it's
just something fun to do in my retirement years. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So so when you if you do detect the parasites,
I mean, what what are you doing with I mean
what what what information is being shared or what are
we trying to do.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
What I do is I I collect the data and
we send it into a entomologist at University of Georgia
who is who is then monitoring and mapping out across
the gulf where we're where we're picking up.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Oe got it? And can I be treated?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No? Not not really, it's it's it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, I get it. But you're but you're monitoring, and
so keep it in touch, Gary Blackman, Always a pleasure
hearing from you. Keep keep reporting from this side. We
love hearing from all all the things that you're doing there.
I know Ron Roethis has got to be jealous as
heck with all the different seasons up and down throughout
the entire year. Maybe he'll come down and hang out
with you as well. But always a pleasure again, Gary
dash Grows dot com. Have a great summer. We'll talk
(20:12):
to you as we get closer to the fall.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Great Ron, Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
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Bulcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson, his
time for a little Southern gardening with our Southern Gardener.
He is a tell you what I could go through
this forever. He's an Extension Research Professor Emeritus of Horticulture,
Mississippi State Fellow, American Society of Horticulture Science, Great American Gardener,
American Horticulture Society. Of course, his award winning book is
one of the best out there. It's called Southern Gardening
(00:22):
All Year Long. Be sure and check it out if
you live in the northches Dad a couple of weeks
to it. You got it made. His website is Gary
Dashgroves dot com. Ladies and Gentlemen, Our Southern Gardener, Head
grower for Heritage Cottage Urban Nano Farm, Gary Bachman. They
(00:44):
called him mister love of Lover, mister boombasted.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh you are never gonna let me. You're never gonna
let me forget that, are you? Ron?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He told me about it as soon as I came
in this morning. I laughed out loud when I saw that.
I said, that was hilarious. Good morning, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh that was that darn that darn auto pill on
the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You look at I say, yeah, darn thing. Yeah, I
know you blame it on the phone. That's fine, We've
got that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, that's my story.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm gonna I was going to say, we've heard stories
that alone. All right, So we are we are experiencing
all Summer's been hot, has been humid, timely rain showers.
But man, I look down at you guys, I'm kind
of glad I don't live in Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Listen, I walked the dog now because I wanted to
wake up in time, unlike last week. I was up
at three o'clock this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Wow, so we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But it was eight It was eighty three degrees when
I was walking the dog at three am.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yikes.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It is just brutal out there.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'm going to guess that the humidity probably matched the temperature.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Very very very close. I think I looked at the
at the heat indecks it was already ninety eight or
some crazy number.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, it was just I was drenched when I came
back in. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, we've always noticed that you don't have that
southern accent, so you know, we're assuming you, you know,
showed up down in the Southern states, coming from the
north to the south. What made you make that decision.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, it's funny. We moved to South Carolina in seventy
eight from Detroit, so and lived there for fifteen years,
so we got kind of acclimated to that, and then
then moved back up to Columbus. You know, from my
PhD went to Tennessee, went to Illinois, got an opportunity
to come south, and I like it because, look, you
(02:47):
don't have to shovel sunshine here. Except this year in
January we had that snowstorm. We had eight inches of
snow that fell in eight hours, but on a Tuesday.
But by Friday it was completely gone.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I was going to say, how long did it take
to go away?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It was completely gone by Friday. Yeah, so yeah, that's
the kind of snow I'll handle. And that was the
first snow I had seen in sixteen years. So it's like, okay,
it was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So you can get acclimated to that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I say, I say that kind of tongue in cheek.
Can't just put it that way, got it. So in
the summertime, it's change clothes. I've changed clothes four times
in a day just because you just you just get drenched.
But you can wear shorts twelve months out of the
year here too.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, I can wear twelve I do it here, so
does Danny twelve months out of the year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I mean when I was in Columbus. Yeah, I
wore shorts twelve months out of the year there too.
So but you don't get cold, no, I got.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I get where you're coming from. Gary Bakman's our southern gardener,
and of course you can check out his website is
Gary Dashgroves dot com. Of course he's also the head
grower for Heritage Cotta's Urban Nano Farm and as a
little seat supply for you as well. So as we
look down south right now. You had mentioned to me
when I we had talked last week about getting you
on the show, that you are now in that in
(04:14):
between the really nasty period of time between the spring
season and the late summer fall season.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yep. And I was going to tell you just give me,
you know, twenty seconds here, I'll run down the seasons
that we have here. Okay, in January we have winter,
then we have fake spring, then we have winter two,
then we have Spring of Deception, winner three, the pollening,
then we finally get the spring, and then summer starts
(04:47):
on April fifteenth, So we have like seven seasons in
you know, three and a half months. We get into
summer and it's hot right now. We're into the period
of time we call front porch hell because it is
just too hot outside front. And then we'll get to
get into we'll get in we'll get into fake fall. Yeah,
(05:08):
summer comes back, and then we get into real fall,
like November fifteenth. So you know, we have interesting seasons
down here. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
When you when you're talking about fake fall, I mean,
are you talking about the temperatures really dropped for a
while and then come back up again.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, Labor Day kind of in that first part of September,
it's not unusual to get three or four days where
the tempts go down to eighty five. Well, I mean
when it's ninety five, goes down to eighty five. Man,
this is pretty cool. This is nice out here. Yes,
but then it gets it gets hot again through most
(05:46):
of October. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. But like I say,
you know, we don't have to deal with snow. I
think that's a plus.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I get it. So if I look out in your
backyard right now at you one hundred and forty two
earth boxes, is that you have all planted and all
your other containers. Are you done with the spring the
first season? Uh, now you're harvesting and then you get
ready to go into the second season.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, tomato, tomatoes are done. I grow tomatoes, I split
them into spring and fall. I pulled the tomatoes. Oh
it was before July one. It got so hot and
we had so much rain. It just obliterated the tomato crop.
And that's kind of what everybody's experienced this year, and
(06:32):
it just happens that way sometimes. We're right now, backyard
is all full of peppers. You know. I'm growing unusual
peppers for seed collection and then to go into it
to go into my little seed chop.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So you're kind of specializing in peppers.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right now. Okay, and I'll go I'll go back. I've
already got tomatoes transplants started, will go. Those will go
into earth boxes middle of next month and then we'll
just ride the tomatoes right right through the fall till
we get to a first frost. And so the fall
(07:10):
is really a better time to grow tomatoes in my opinion,
for you just moderating, moderating temperatures. It's just not as
hot peppers right now. Peppers in the fall is the
best time to grow peppers too. So I just think
the spring just gets too hot too quick for a
lot for a lot of our crops right down here
(07:33):
on the coast in zone nine A. So that's the
kind of kind of the strategy that I use.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So when you're looking at selections, especially of course with
your with your earth boxes, do you use more determinants
selections or do you do both determinant and indeterminate and
then there are there selections of tomatoes that perform better
for you in that heat.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That that's one of the things that that I've done
over the years, looking for tomatoes that do well, you
know in our environment. Yeah, I grow primarily determinate tomatoes
because in the in the spring, they're in April first,
they're out by fourth of July, so we just get
that about the six seven week production period, which is
(08:16):
which is fine for determinants. Do that again, do that
again in the fall with the determinants we've done. We
did a study several years ago using looking at fall
tomatoes with indeterminate plants and the indeterminate plants. They all
grew great, but the fruit did not want to did
(08:36):
not want to ripen. And it was really a function
of decreasing temperatures, decreasing sunlight, and that indeterminate plant wanted
to grow vegetatively but also grow reproductively, and there just
wasn't enough energy there to complete that reproductive process. And
so I don't I don't grow any any indeterminate tomatoes
(09:01):
just because it's not it's not worth the time for
the little production that that I that I get here
in zone nine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
A got it? So do any of your selections of
determinants and and I'm assuming you do a hybrids and
air loads, but any of those cross over to some
of the lists that we would see in zone six.
Oh sure, okay, you know we.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Grow, we grow. You know, fourth of July. You turned
me on to that one, but I call it fourth
of June. That's when it that's when, that's when it
that's when it ripens. Yeah, we do get that cross
So we do get that crossover. And I'll tell you
if you sent me those seeds that big dwarf, Yes,
(09:45):
what what a vigorous plant. It handled the heat, but
trying to know something. The fruit didn't ripen if they
it took too long for that fruit to ripen. And
they they were a great look complants, but they but
they weren't productive in our environment. I would really impress
the dense, full, robust, but we didn't get any fruit off.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, you're you're explaining that, you're explaining the ones that
are here also right now from the ones I have,
it's you're exactly right. The plant looks great, dark green,
a stocky, and we do have some fruit and there's
one on there that's probably four inches in diameter and
it looks like it's going to come on one. It's
got blossom in rod. But not high production so far anyway,
which we've kind of had an issue here this year
(10:33):
because of the weather. It was really lit for us
as well, and production has been low. But so far
production of the plant not as what I had anticipated.
But the plant itself a tough little cookie. It's a
good look at plants.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So yeah, I was very impressed. I was very hopeful,
and it's like, oh my gosh, here's here's a tomato
that maybe can stand up to you know, the heat
and the humidity that that's just the down fall of
many of the tomatoes it's made that heirlooms, especially then
we try and grow here.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Got it talking with Gary Bachman. He is the head
grower for Heritage Cottage Urban Nano Farm. His website Garydashgroves
dot com. We'll take a quick break find out more
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, our Southern gardener, mister Gary Bombastik Bachmann,
headgrower for Harry's Corgan Nano Farm. His website is Gary
dash grows dot com. Be sharing, check it out, Always
have fun with Gary. And uh, you know, are you
doing you still do the micro greens indoors?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Absolutely, I don't do. I don't do them to the
extent that I did and when when we were at
the market and selling to the restaurants and things. But
but I've I've always got four trays going bags of
them in the in the refrigerator and oh yeah, it's
it's a fun, easy way to get some, you know,
(13:28):
to get some easy, easy growing greens. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So if you have four trays, do you have your
favorites or do you grow basically the same thing all
the time. I love I love the cilantro ones. I
think they're cilantro ones which are kind of interesting, little
at little cilantro bite. But radishes I think are great.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, radishes are good. I tend to like the kale
and the and the broccoli. There. There's a Johnny's has
a kale mix called Kalette and and it's a it's
a mix of three or four different kales that are
all different colors and leaf shapes. I also like red choy.
(14:06):
That that's basically I don't like, you know, some of
the random mixes that they have. And I do some
of the I do some of the herbs sometimes, but
but the herb microgreens they're a little finicky and I
sometimes I just don't have the patience to to grow those.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
What mister lover Lover doesn't have the patience for some
of the microgreens.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, listen, I want I want to make things easy. Yeah.
And you know a guy that likes things easy.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
His name's Gary too. Oh, I know it is that
it could talk with Gary Bachman again. His website is
garydashgrows dot com. And if you're ever interested in growing
microgreens indoors twofold one. I have a couple of tip
sheets that he wrote a few years ago that they're
(14:56):
absolutely outstanding, probably two of the best, and I keep
the links to those on hand all the time. We're
happy to send that to you. But it's a great
way to learn, and he mentioned Johnny Seeds. Johnny Seeds
probably has three pages of micro green seeds that you
can order. Unbelievable some of the plants on there. I
had no idea you to grow as a micro green
(15:17):
and eat them, eat them fresh like that. But it's crazy.
But if you want to try it, and it's like
Gary said, it's really actually pretty easy to do, and
you can get into it at all levels and you
can do it year round. Doesn't take a whole lot,
But let me know and I'll leave ellos back to you.
But they are truly two of the best the tip
sheets I've ever seen when it comes to growing microgreens,
(15:38):
and Gary Bachman had everything to do with that. So
we'll send them to you and can check it out.
So as we look outside right now, looking at your lawn.
I'm assuming these warm season grasses are loving it or
do they hate the ups and downs too?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
They are loving the temperature. There are times when they
don't like all the rain. But when we've been getting
like two or three days where we get like an
inch and a half a day and and everything just
gets soggy. And what that does that that creates conditions
for dollar weed to pop up, because that's where dollar
(16:14):
weed's really an aquatic plant. But but when you see
it in your lawn, that means, man, it is just
too wet out there.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's tough to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It tends, it tends. It is very hard to get
rid of it really is. Sometimes I kind of look
at it. I used to fight it, but I'm thinking, man,
it's green, you know. And if if people are just
driving by, you know, the God, look, Gary's lawn looking
pretty green out there, you know, as long as you
don't look too close. Sometimes that.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Was my old predecessor used to say, if it's green
from the street, you're okay, listen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And my batchor's is in turf management, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But I'm kind of I'm kind of thinking I'm kind
of okay with Hey, it looks green. I'm good. We'll
just go with that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh, I love it all right. So let's go past
your yard then in the lawn and let's look at
the hell strip out between the sidewalk and the street.
Because Gary Bachman every year does something different with that
hell strip out there, and it's very unique. As a
matter of fact, one year he was growing wheats and
grains and things like that. What do you got out
there this year?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This year, I'm growing a small mix of zinnia that
I've been I've been collecting the seeds over the years
and it's gonna be an item for my seed store.
But it's a mix of small flowered zinia that only
get eighteen to twenty four inches high. Nice, and so
I've been saved keeping those kind of isolated, saving the seeds,
(17:46):
growing those back out again. And yeah, it's actually turned
out turned out pretty good. You know. It's like I say,
they're only about twenty four inches tall, you know, the
small one inch one and a half inch flowers, and
it just it just gives a real different look than
some of those big, you know, three four inch in
the elegance that that we that we that are great
(18:08):
for cutting and it's just just just a nice option.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'll bet the pollinators are loving that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Man butterflies are all over it. Lots of swallow tails,
the giant swallowtail, which is the caterpillars forage on the
citrus trees. Haven't seen I haven't seen any monarchs, which
really kind of disappoints me because I'm an oe monitoring
site here on the coast. Oe is that is that
(18:38):
that monarch parasite and and so we we we catch
the monarchs and we grab them and put some tape
on their abdomen, and so you can pull some scales
off you and you can see the the the parasite,
the spores if they're if they're on there. I just
did a a video, you know that. I've got a
(19:00):
post of taking a monarch that I got a caterpillar
raised it and sampling it. So I've got to I've
got to post that. But it's it's you know, it's
just something fun to do in my retirement years. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So so when you if you do detect the parasites,
I mean, what what are you doing with I mean
what what what information is being shared or what are
we trying to do.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
What I do is I I collect the data and
we send it into a entomologist at University of Georgia
who is who is then monitoring and mapping out across
the gulf where we're where we're picking up.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Oe got it? And can I be treated?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No? Not not really, it's it's it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, I get it. But you're but you're monitoring, and
so keep it in touch, Gary Blackman, Always a pleasure
hearing from you. Keep keep reporting from this side. We
love hearing from all all the things that you're doing there.
I know Ron Roethis has got to be jealous as
heck with all the different seasons up and down throughout
the entire year. Maybe he'll come down and hang out
with you as well. But always a pleasure again, Gary
dash Grows dot com. Have a great summer. We'll talk
(20:12):
to you as we get closer to the fall.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Great Ron, Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
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