December 6, 2025 • 10 mins
Ron Wilson is joined by the one and only Gary Sullivan, the most listened to home improvement show host in the Solar system. They dive into the latest Pantone Color of the Year, Cloud Dancer, and share their thoughts on why it's not as exciting as expected. They discuss how the color trend is shifting towards lighter, cooler tones, and how it reflects the current design aesthetic. With a mix of humor and insight, they explore the world of color trends and what it means for homeowners and designers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
(00:01):
for little home improvement from the man, the myth, the legend.
He is the most listened to home improvement show host
in the entire Solar system. His website, Garysullivan online dot
com has more content than you can ever imagine about
home improvement, ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, mister
Gary Sullivan, Did you see it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Did you see it, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Mister Sullivan, did you see it? Mister Sullivan, Yes, sir.
It's getting more negative responses on the Internet than any
color choice ever in the history of doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What are we talking about, ladies and gentlemen. We're talking
about Pantones color of the Year finally finally released this
week after everybody else has released all their different colors,
and this one count and they don't count, and this
one ain't even close everybody else's all. Although, although Gary,
it makes sense to me the folks at Garden Media
(01:06):
that always picks their color of the year, and they've
been closed sometimes and off sometimes. Twenty twenty six Garden
Trends report actually had faded pedal Oh okay, which.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is faded out a cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
This year it is cloud Dancer. Most people would look
at that and say it's white. Yeah, well it's a
hue of white. I guess you could say off white.
And of course they've got their whole explanation behind the
whole thing. It says it offers promise of clarity.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well that would be white. You know. It's interesting though, really,
and I know you notice because we've talked about it too,
is pantones color the ear? Everybody thinks that's like pink colors,
and obviously it is a pink color. But that's not
where all their research goes from comes from, right, I mean,
it's the fashion industry, furniture industry, pain industry. And when
(02:08):
you think about it, because I was shocked, just like
you were and probably everybody else, like the color of
the year is off white. Yeah, and because usually it's
the other way, they made a Tangerina's color the year
come on. And then it would go on to explain,
well you could always use this for an accent. Well
blah blah blah blah blah, but really, what are you
(02:29):
seeing in houses, interiors and X tiers now is white
and black? We were talking about this three months ago.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Remember you brought up the thing about the black, especially
in the exterior, and then we are seeing it more
on walls and ceilings and stuff inside, and that you
are right. Ever since you said that, it's like, oh,
there's a house, all sudden it's black.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. I mean I've seen them where I'll be driving
through a neighborhood. I hold it that house was never
white and now the brick is now white.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, trumped it out black.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And it's got to be. So I do think that
is probably relevant that color. So I think we're always
expecting a color that just wows you, you know, that
you just look at and you go like, God, I
really love that color. Or a lot of times we
look at and say who the periwinkle, probably about four
(03:26):
years ago or so, and I was like, well, I
don't want that in my house. Well, maybe it came
from the furniture industry and it was of I don't know,
a lamp or something, you know. I mean, maybe we're
seeing in clothing and scarves and it became kind of
the color of the year. So I don't know. But anyway,
(03:46):
Cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Folks, folks are looking to step back.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And I'm not so sure. It's not very exciting. It's
not a color that's going to wow you, but I
think it's a really relevant color on where we're at
right now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But sure, while the internet yeah wild in all kinds
of mud on this one.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know I had to regain my uh, control my
feet after that. It's like the most sit down, let's
think about this, Why didn't? And then I'm really the
more I thought about it, I'm thinking, like, it really
does kind of make sense. That's really where a lot
of things have been going, is away from the real
rich color and going to more coolish colors, lighter colors,
(04:28):
and then houses with the white and then the black
trimmed offset it. So it kind of makes sense to me,
black friend, and I'm loving it. But have I ever said,
what he pick a color of the ear? Yes? They
finally got it right.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No, but there's been a couple of them that were okay,
some of the real like the grays, and it's like this,
I look at that way, like I really like gray
kind of falls into that same category to me. Yeah yeah,
but yeah, as soon as I saw that, I think
I got to notice like Tuesday, Yeah, yeah, same fronted
it out and said, oh wait, I get to talk
to Gary Saturday about that.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, you know when they used to do the Pantone
Color of the year's it was the end of August,
beginning of September, oh clockwork every year, and you and
I talked about this, and then everybody started doing one.
Every paint manufacturer had their color of the year. Then
we got the color of the month, and then and
then it's like I quit, I don't care, and I
(05:24):
kind of forgot about it untill we talked about it
two weeks ago and I said, you, did you ever
see a Color of the Year from Pantone this year?
You know, I haven't. I haven't when I opened up
the email, Oh about time.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, And I think we kind of said the same
thing last year, and I think they're smart. I think
we both concluded that everybody else is doing this, so
get it out of the system, do all your things,
and then Pantone is going to come along at the
end and say this is the color the color of
the year.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And it is I mean, history of Pantone with color
in all fields, even architecturally, you know, with PMS numbers
for every shade and color you can imagine they keep
track to that. I mean, you can trademark that, so
they're they're the experts. And if they say that's the
color of the.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Ear, who might argue that's right?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Cloud Dancer, Cloud Dancer, I wean't go paint my house,
Cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I can see doing the walls, Cloud Dancer. I want
to see missus Sullivan's reaction when you do that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, that's the only reaction that counts.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, Gary, is our house supposed to look like that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Gary? Why is that wall blue? But Gary will paint
it back to his other color? Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know you could do that. You could do paint
color of the year every year, like in your basement,
like a piece of the wall. That would be cool,
And so every year you'd have so when you went
down there, you'd see all the different colors from twenty
years back.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Did you see the article that Pantuons sent you where
they had the last twenty five years of color of
the Years. I don't know if it was the same
email that you got that I got. No, I didn't
see that, but it was it had after it announced it,
and had had the color and the name and everything
and talked a little bit about it, and then they
(07:07):
had the the last twenty five years of the color
of the year. It was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I bet no they I had the I see here
and now I had the link.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh okay, I click, I just print.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just printed out the opening thing.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, it's pretty interesting. There's some wildish color there. But
I like last year. Wasn't last year the mocha cocoa
or something. I kind of like that. I thought it
was a very soothing darkness.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
There's been a few of those. You and I are
more on the earthy color.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Uh, there's been a few of them. We both like
said that, Yeah, I could, I could apply that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, there's always room for a little color. There's a
little room for a little white also, Uh, probably more
than yeah. Yeah, I mean now, like I said anything else,
probably seventy eighty years ago a lot of houses were
white with black trim kind of went away, and now
we're seeing all out of it again. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I never noticed it to you said, that, is
that right? Well, I didn't really pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I started noticing it. Actually. My first tip off on
it was when my daughter tore her house down right,
have the foundation, and she's telling me she's buying black windows.
I'm going you do what?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I started doing all this looking into that, and
that was right at the beginning. I mean, that's probably
been eight years ago, and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah
I could. I could kind of see it. And she's
got a nice little southern home in Charlotte and it's
a white brick and she's got black door, black windows.
And that was kind of when I got my eyes
(08:40):
open to it. That was pretty short.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I'll be d Dad was wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well I'm done right now.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well you weren't wrong, but you just.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I was just saying, that's unique. And then I remember
even talking to other window makers, is black getting into
your you know category line? And it's like, oh yeah, yeah,
we're definitely getting pressure for that.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So what are we talking about today? Clout dancer, go figure.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Go go fall pipe or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, Gary Sullivan coming up next to up. He's
not find out why he's not complain do whatever, Go
those websites. Garysullivan online dot com. Have a great weekend,
cern have a great hill. Thanks all of our colors,
Thanks our sponsors, thanks, of course, of Danny Gleese and
our producer. Without Danny, none of this stuff would happen.
I'll do yourself a fever. We still got time to
plant a tree or two. Three he planting those native plants.
(09:30):
Hamper your worms. Get the kids involved with gardening. Have
a great weekend. Go box see it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Landscaping made easier with your personal yard boy. He's hitting
the garden and he's Ron Wilson.
Come back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
(00:01):
for little home improvement from the man, the myth, the legend.
He is the most listened to home improvement show host
in the entire Solar system. His website, Garysullivan online dot
com has more content than you can ever imagine about
home improvement, ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, mister
Gary Sullivan, Did you see it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Did you see it, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Mister Sullivan, did you see it? Mister Sullivan, Yes, sir.
It's getting more negative responses on the Internet than any
color choice ever in the history of doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What are we talking about, ladies and gentlemen. We're talking
about Pantones color of the Year finally finally released this
week after everybody else has released all their different colors,
and this one count and they don't count, and this
one ain't even close everybody else's all. Although, although Gary,
it makes sense to me the folks at Garden Media
(01:06):
that always picks their color of the year, and they've
been closed sometimes and off sometimes. Twenty twenty six Garden
Trends report actually had faded pedal Oh okay, which.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is faded out a cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
This year it is cloud Dancer. Most people would look
at that and say it's white. Yeah, well it's a
hue of white. I guess you could say off white.
And of course they've got their whole explanation behind the
whole thing. It says it offers promise of clarity.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well that would be white. You know. It's interesting though, really,
and I know you notice because we've talked about it too,
is pantones color the ear? Everybody thinks that's like pink colors,
and obviously it is a pink color. But that's not
where all their research goes from comes from, right, I mean,
it's the fashion industry, furniture industry, pain industry. And when
(02:08):
you think about it, because I was shocked, just like
you were and probably everybody else, like the color of
the year is off white. Yeah, and because usually it's
the other way, they made a Tangerina's color the year
come on. And then it would go on to explain,
well you could always use this for an accent. Well
blah blah blah blah blah, but really, what are you
(02:29):
seeing in houses, interiors and X tiers now is white
and black? We were talking about this three months ago.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Remember you brought up the thing about the black, especially
in the exterior, and then we are seeing it more
on walls and ceilings and stuff inside, and that you
are right. Ever since you said that, it's like, oh,
there's a house, all sudden it's black.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. I mean I've seen them where I'll be driving
through a neighborhood. I hold it that house was never
white and now the brick is now white.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, trumped it out black.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And it's got to be. So I do think that
is probably relevant that color. So I think we're always
expecting a color that just wows you, you know, that
you just look at and you go like, God, I
really love that color. Or a lot of times we
look at and say who the periwinkle, probably about four
(03:26):
years ago or so, and I was like, well, I
don't want that in my house. Well, maybe it came
from the furniture industry and it was of I don't know,
a lamp or something, you know. I mean, maybe we're
seeing in clothing and scarves and it became kind of
the color of the year. So I don't know. But anyway,
(03:46):
Cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Folks, folks are looking to step back.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And I'm not so sure. It's not very exciting. It's
not a color that's going to wow you, but I
think it's a really relevant color on where we're at
right now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But sure, while the internet yeah wild in all kinds
of mud on this one.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know I had to regain my uh, control my
feet after that. It's like the most sit down, let's
think about this, Why didn't? And then I'm really the
more I thought about it, I'm thinking, like, it really
does kind of make sense. That's really where a lot
of things have been going, is away from the real
rich color and going to more coolish colors, lighter colors,
(04:28):
and then houses with the white and then the black
trimmed offset it. So it kind of makes sense to me,
black friend, and I'm loving it. But have I ever said,
what he pick a color of the ear? Yes? They
finally got it right.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No, but there's been a couple of them that were okay,
some of the real like the grays, and it's like this,
I look at that way, like I really like gray
kind of falls into that same category to me. Yeah yeah,
but yeah, as soon as I saw that, I think
I got to notice like Tuesday, Yeah, yeah, same fronted
it out and said, oh wait, I get to talk
to Gary Saturday about that.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, you know when they used to do the Pantone
Color of the year's it was the end of August,
beginning of September, oh clockwork every year, and you and
I talked about this, and then everybody started doing one.
Every paint manufacturer had their color of the year. Then
we got the color of the month, and then and
then it's like I quit, I don't care, and I
(05:24):
kind of forgot about it untill we talked about it
two weeks ago and I said, you, did you ever
see a Color of the Year from Pantone this year?
You know, I haven't. I haven't when I opened up
the email, Oh about time.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, And I think we kind of said the same
thing last year, and I think they're smart. I think
we both concluded that everybody else is doing this, so
get it out of the system, do all your things,
and then Pantone is going to come along at the
end and say this is the color the color of
the year.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And it is I mean, history of Pantone with color
in all fields, even architecturally, you know, with PMS numbers
for every shade and color you can imagine they keep
track to that. I mean, you can trademark that, so
they're they're the experts. And if they say that's the
color of the.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Ear, who might argue that's right?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Cloud Dancer, Cloud Dancer, I wean't go paint my house,
Cloud Dancer.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I can see doing the walls, Cloud Dancer. I want
to see missus Sullivan's reaction when you do that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, that's the only reaction that counts.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, Gary, is our house supposed to look like that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Gary? Why is that wall blue? But Gary will paint
it back to his other color? Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know you could do that. You could do paint
color of the year every year, like in your basement,
like a piece of the wall. That would be cool,
And so every year you'd have so when you went
down there, you'd see all the different colors from twenty
years back.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Did you see the article that Pantuons sent you where
they had the last twenty five years of color of
the Years. I don't know if it was the same
email that you got that I got. No, I didn't
see that, but it was it had after it announced it,
and had had the color and the name and everything
and talked a little bit about it, and then they
(07:07):
had the the last twenty five years of the color
of the year. It was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I bet no they I had the I see here
and now I had the link.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh okay, I click, I just print.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just printed out the opening thing.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, it's pretty interesting. There's some wildish color there. But
I like last year. Wasn't last year the mocha cocoa
or something. I kind of like that. I thought it
was a very soothing darkness.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
There's been a few of those. You and I are
more on the earthy color.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Uh, there's been a few of them. We both like
said that, Yeah, I could, I could apply that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, there's always room for a little color. There's a
little room for a little white also, Uh, probably more
than yeah. Yeah, I mean now, like I said anything else,
probably seventy eighty years ago a lot of houses were
white with black trim kind of went away, and now
we're seeing all out of it again. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I never noticed it to you said, that, is
that right? Well, I didn't really pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I started noticing it. Actually. My first tip off on
it was when my daughter tore her house down right,
have the foundation, and she's telling me she's buying black windows.
I'm going you do what?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I started doing all this looking into that, and
that was right at the beginning. I mean, that's probably
been eight years ago, and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah
I could. I could kind of see it. And she's
got a nice little southern home in Charlotte and it's
a white brick and she's got black door, black windows.
And that was kind of when I got my eyes
(08:40):
open to it. That was pretty short.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I'll be d Dad was wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well I'm done right now.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well you weren't wrong, but you just.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I was just saying, that's unique. And then I remember
even talking to other window makers, is black getting into
your you know category line? And it's like, oh yeah, yeah,
we're definitely getting pressure for that.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So what are we talking about today? Clout dancer, go figure.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Go go fall pipe or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, Gary Sullivan coming up next to up. He's
not find out why he's not complain do whatever, Go
those websites. Garysullivan online dot com. Have a great weekend,
cern have a great hill. Thanks all of our colors,
Thanks our sponsors, thanks, of course, of Danny Gleese and
our producer. Without Danny, none of this stuff would happen.
I'll do yourself a fever. We still got time to
plant a tree or two. Three he planting those native plants.
(09:30):
Hamper your worms. Get the kids involved with gardening. Have
a great weekend. Go box see it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Landscaping made easier with your personal yard boy. He's hitting
the garden and he's Ron Wilson.
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