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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yarding. And you know, one
of the big things that always comes up, always comes
up at a garden talk. We talk about a lot
on our show. That's a major issue pretty much around
the United States. You get out there and you get
that landscape planted and it's looking good, and all of
a sudden, the deer come through. And you haven't seen
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deer in fifty, you know, fifty years, and all of
a sudden they show up in your yard and it
becomes a solid bull and it's a yeah really and
we all kind of deal with it in some level
or another. Well, we're going to talk a little bit
about what you may be able to do to help
eliminate that. But on this I also want to talk
today about something that's affecting deer, that may affect the
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deer that come into your yard and garden, and if
it does, we want to know more about it and
to help us out with this. One is our good friend.
You've heard them on our show many many times, chiming
in on great plants that are out there and of
course great tips as well. The company is Kendrick and
O'Dell Landscaping. Their website is Kendrickodell dot com and he
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happens to be Kevin O'Dell. Good morning. Wow, all your
fans are cheering for you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm not sure about that. Uh. I did people know
we're going to be talking about that today, Roy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I did know how many people were? You know we're
big fans of Kevin O'Dell. Geez, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Sure about that. I'm just a planned guy and a
person who hunts and many other things.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that's why that's why you have such an exciting life.
All right, So, first of all, I want to thank
Sarah Cook for hooking this up. That's like your people
conquacting my peoples, you know, go back and forth, shared share.
Sarah did a very good job, so thank you very
much for doing that. All right, Well, sure you informed
me this past week about a disease that the Ohio
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Department Natural Resources are looking for reports if this happened
to be in your particular area. Now we all, I think,
for the most part, as I was saying earlier, deal
with deer of some type passing through or hanging out
in our yards or whatever it may be. And of
course they we'll talk a little bit more about that
a little bit later on as far as you know,
preventing damages if we can. But here's a situation where
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if deer come into your yard and are acting really unusual,
and I'm sure you're going to tell us what we're
going to be looking for. This is a disease and
I guess affects deer but not us humans. But I
guess it's getting serious enough that now the the od
n R wants to know where we're seeing this and
and of course with a drought situation, I understand this
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makes it even worse. First of all, pronounce what this
disease is, because all I can say is ehday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Episodic hemorrhage disease.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Zotic hemorrhage is very very commonly known as EHD. It's
going to be your easiest thing to google anything that
we speak about today.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I would have. I would have shredded that. I
tried out a million times. There's no way I could
have gotten that one out. So he did a very
good job, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So eh, I'm not definitely, I'm not really sure of
the Bazoudic pronunciation, but we'll call it that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It looks good to me. I think you did a
wonderful job so eh D in deer. First of all,
so that we're not in a panic. It doesn't affect.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Us, no, sir, not at all. And you being you
don't want to consume a deer that is showing signs
of it in typical hunting parlance, you know, you don't
want to see a dead deer, dead deer on the
road that's been hit. Uh, it's just common sense, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so if we if something would happen like all right,
so you're a hunter and you're up on your tree
stand and you have no idea whether this deer had
e h D. And so you shoot it and you
take an home and you address it, and you know,
you put in the freezer. Can that affect you by
eating that venicon?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Not? If you feel a healthy deer?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And you can tell it again, as a person who hunts,
you can tell which deer are sick depressed attitude. I
mean you can almost see them walking through the woods
that it's like this, dear. Maybe in fact, if you
have any questions, just don't don't harvest it. You'll see
the heads down off and you'll see deer around a
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lot of water or any kind of water because they
what they do is it affects their respiratory system. You'll
spight them in the shade. You'll find them near creeks,
even if the creek is not running. It's a cooler
environment that they don't that they you know, it makes
them feel better. I've seen deer creek bottoms and that's
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happening a lot right now. We had we have one
job site in the eastern side of town, probably eight
to ten acres. We have found six dead deer on
there in the last week. Really they're all near all
near dry creeks.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, sir, Wow, So how did the deer get the
ehd well?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's a just it's an annual infestation. The deer are
infected by a midge, which is basically a kind of fly,
and you can the eac comes from very very hot,
dry summers and that's one reason they will go to
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water or water area, a water irrigated lawn that's the
case that we've experienced, and woods nearby water. It's up
this year, I mean because we've had that high dry summers.
We've had a lot of rains this spring, especially in
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and that seems to bring on the hatch of you know,
their healthy flies basically, and that seems to bring on
the hatch when it gets hotter and drier. You know,
we've had the public reports of dead and six deer.
Now this is just updated five days ago by the
Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Twenty and twenty two, fifteen
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hundred cases, twenty twenty three, eighteen cases, twenty twenty four,
two thousand and twenty one hundred. Basically two thousand and
twenty five seven thousand, four hundred and eighty six. That's
almost a four four times increase from last year. Very close. Wow,
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We've got the hot, we've got the wet. We have
the hot, and we have the dry. That's going to
increase the activity of the deer that can transmit it,
and then the flies feeding on dead deer can go
to another deer, healthy deer, and they do all the time.
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They're like any animal flies following around and then that
that midge bite and will then infect the healthy deer.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wow. All right, So that was a lot to say
right there. That was I mean, that's that's crazy stuff there.
I mean, that's really coming on. Talking with Kevin O'Dell
on their websites check it out. It's Kendrick O'Dell dot com.
And Kevin, of course a true plantsman here in our area,
great landscape designer, landscape installer, plantsman, and he's a hunter
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as well, letting us know about a disease that you
may see deer having in your backyard called e HD.
And it's something if you do, uh want to know
about it, this state wants to know about it. And
this isn't more than Ohio, right, Oh yeah, it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Lot of states, a lot of states, more in the
eastern part of the country. You know, with the common
little deer. Okay, a herd gets big, those herds move
out and expand, which is why we have them in
Ohio such a hard time with them. So that disease
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is also spreading by the numbers of deer. The population
of the deer that we have. That disease correlates to
the bigger population of deer kind of follows it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wow, So you know so with this EHD. So how
all right? So then folks are listening saying Okay, I
understand where it's out there, et cetera, et cetera. How
would I know? What do I look for when deer
come into my yard that I may suspect they have
EHD besides the fact that they drop dead by my
water pond or my water bath or whatever it may be,
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what other symptoms would I see?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well? According to the odn R website, which is really
really good, how Department of Natural Reason sources and they
have a you can scroll down in Ohio Department of
Natural Resources EHD. They have a very informal, very good
website on their o d n R e HD and
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the symptoms they vary and usually develop after seven days
to exposure. The deer appear disoriented and show little or
no fear. So, if you have deer and you've been
observing in your garden, yard, wood space, whatever, if you
see them acting funny, uh, and then you know, if
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you're seeing them on a regular basis, like you know
a hundred would you would see, Okay, this year's acting strange.
They might appear feverish. You're going to see someone you
know going the water. If you're hunting in a very
web area, if you have a irrigated lawn, if you
have a small water feature, they're going to go to
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that and they're gonna they're going to appear to you
that they're sick. I mean, there's really no question that
these these animals are sick. And then also you know
then your neighbors that they're seeing them, and the community
seeing them and sending out alerts on it. I just
was on the Indian Hill website earlier. And then they
do a great job of reporting and uh, yeah in
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Newtown does a really good job. You know, we see
these mostly on the east side of town. Uh the
reports of that's also where Better Godell does a lot
of work. We're around them, and we had six on
the site, like like I said earlier, but we've also
had them scattered through you know, our work area parks
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are a good thing on the east side mostly right now,
but you know, it's an easy go anywhere. It's the
weather conditions that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Started sure talking about Kevin O'Dell about this disease. And
again remember you can't get it doesn't affect you, but
we want to know about the deer if they are
in your area, have these symptoms, and you can go
to no matter what state you're in. You can go
here to just learn more about it. The od n
R a high Department of Natural Resources and get the
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information about EHD and learn more about what to look
for in your deer. And if you think you've they've
got it, you need to report it, let them know
about it, and will they do anything about it. They
just basically want to know where you're seeing it, where.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're seeing it, just for recording it. See if there's
any real strong movement, which is in Ohio. It shows that.
There's a great map on again the Ohio Department and
Natural Resources site. There's a map on shows you the
number of infections in every different county in Ohio. Bas
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we started pretty much on the southwest side of Ohio,
migrating different areas of no infection, areas of reported infection,
areas with mild and all the way to you know,
a lot of it there. It's a great colored map
of the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
YEP. So learn more about it, what to look for it.
Go to the od n R a website and you're
looking for general information about EHD affecting deer. We're gonna
take a quick break. We come back. We'll talk to
you Kevin and see what he does to help deer proof?
Is there such a thing the landscapes where there's a
lot of deer here in the garden with Ron Wilson help, So.
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Speaker 1 (15:06):
Talking to your rding at eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five Special guests this morning, Kevin O'Dell.
Their website is Kendrick Odell dot com, talking about little disease.
It's affecting a lot of deer in our area, could
be in your state as well. Learn more about it. Uh,
check out our website first and you can go to
your state as well. O d n R the High
Department of Natural Resources and it's called eh D. I'm
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not about to pronounce the disease. Kevin did a great job,
but I would rip that to shred. So eh D
check it out, learn more about it now. You know
there's a lot of folks out there, Kevin that we're saying.
I wish this a disease would spread more and.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More, absolutely to bron I believe it's going to I mean,
deer can't breathe. We're moving into the breeding season and
it kind of sounds like it's gonna kind of overlap
with the EHD. These midges from they cause the EHD
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are going to die after the first frost. The colder weather,
they're not as active and basically they're going to die
after the first frost, so you're not going to have
transmission from dead midges. So that's cooler. But then we
also have the breeding season coming accident. Actually it's getting
ready to start right now, so you're overlapping dead midges
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dead deer breeding season. If the dose aren't there, they
can't be bred, So you're going to have a decline
in the deer population for at least three to four years,
maybe five in some areas where you don't have many deer.
So it is going to be a blessing, and I've
explained that to gardeners. Yes, some people feel sorry for
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the deer because they're dying, but other people are very
joyous about that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well they can be. I get it, I both I
see both sides there, and I feel bad for them
going through this too. But you know, again, reducing populations
a little bit is a real plus as well. Let
me ask you a question here. If I go into
a break, because we've got about a minute and a
half to go before we go to the break here,
because I spent too much time talking in the first
break there. Can you hang on and when we come back,
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give us one more segment about what you do to
to do a more deer proof landscape.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Certainly, but I'm going to say leading into that there
is no dear proof exact.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, that's that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Can cut down on them and cut down on the
use of the use more than de resistant.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's it. And I think that's my whole lead into
this whole thing before as a little tease, is that
are there really deer proof landscapes? No? Kevin and I
both agree on that. Are there deer proof proof plants
out there? I think Kevin and I both agree on
this one too. Probably not low brows, maybe one thing,
but actual deer proof not many on that list anymore.
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So let's take a quick break, all right, and we'll
come back and we're gonna get put Kevin on the
hold again. Go to the website, check it out. It's
a good website, Kendrickodell dot com and learn about more
about his company there. They do a great job of
a well known landscaped division or firm in art particular area.
But he does a lot of landscaping and areas that
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are heavily populated with deer, like Indian Hill and Madeer
and Montgomery places like that, heavily populated with deer. So
how do you deal with that? You know, we've got
the repellents, We've got low brows plants. You get to
see the list of deer resistant plants, which I don't
go for anymore. I say lows lowbrows are rarely damaged.
But Kevin's got some great insights on this as well.
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So we'll take a break here at the at the
bottom of the hour, and Kevin's gonna go on hold
for us, So state stay with us because I think
he's got some good tips to share with us as
far as this deer thing. And again, learn more about
this disease. Go to the od n r's website, look
up EHD learn more about it. If you're deer in
your area seem to be exhibiting this disease, let them
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, Kevin O'Dell. He's a true plassman in
our area landscape designer. Does an excellent job talking about EHD,
a little disease that we're seeing the deer in our
area in other states as well, and what to look
for for that. But the next question is, all right,
so you do a lot of landscaping, Kevin, and heavily
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deer populated areas such as Indian Hill and the surroundings.
But you know a lot of work in situations like that,
how do you approach doing a new landscaping, renovating a
landscape whatever may be, when you know darn well there
are deer lurking everywhere that can't wait to try out
your new landscape design.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Ron, there's a few things you can try. The most
effective one and again, as a person who hunts, we're permitted.
Hunting is a great advantaged disadvantage to the deer because
they can be hunted. If the deer aren't there, they
can't breathe and you know, make a bigger hurt. Right,
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That's you know, that's my little pitch for allowing hunting.
You know, most of the hunts in those areas are
archery only. Most of the time you're in a tree stand,
you are going down. There's a lot of places now,
communities and things that are allowing deer hunting in them.
Always buy our tree. The places you can do do
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this at or a lot of the parks, a lot
of the community areas. Indian Hill has a great hunting program.
It's all by bow. You have to take a task,
be serified, but to know where you're going to be hunting.
But they will also give you permission to hunt on
private land. Well you can get permission hunt on privately
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and all the time, but the police and we'll find
you up an area that you can hunt with the
land owners agreement. They call the police. Sean Purdue as
an officer there who was in charge of that program.
They're a great guy. He's going to find a place
for you to hunt. I mean there's private homes that
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don't get asked to hunt on foot. They know these
people and they will work out a deal. Where you've
been on the other thing, you know it's on a
oh it has to be maintained. It's a deer fencing.
It's a plastic fencing. We definitely recommend the six foot
high fencing of a plastic type and then that way
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the deer can't get in. It will have to be maintained,
especially in order sites from a limb coming down. Deer
will crawl underneath it. So you have to make sure
there's no gaps in the deer fencing when you're crossing
a low spotas they will crawl or they will jump
steep slopes. They're not going to jump over because they
don't feel safe jumping from a lower area to a
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higher area the or vice versa. It's a good deterrent
for them. With the fencing. We use a lot of
sprace for the deer. I think, well, let's go back
a little bit. I think there's plants that you can
plant that are not dearproof, the deer resistant. There's a
great site on the Ohio website. Again you hit to
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go to Ohio and theyavigate through it, but it tells
you some great information about the deer resistant plants and
Rutgers University. It's wreckers l M dot com. They have
a very good website. In fact, I think it's a
little more more correct than the more exclusive than the
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Ohio or the Cornell University. Again that's regers. Yeah, we
use university.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We use the Rutger one all the time. I mean that,
you know. And again they've addressed that because their categories
are rarely damaged, it starts out at rarely damaged to
load a moderate to extreme damage rather, you know. And
again they talk about the fact that no plants deer
proof and deer resistant. You know, there are still plants
out there the deer will avoid, but they have those
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categor which I think are outstanding.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, sir, they are well, you know deer and there's
certain conditions will eat anything, Yeah, they have to eat
to survive or a room and an animal, I mean
they have to adjust so much food per day. And
there's a test have shown that a healthy adult animal
needs to eat seven to nine pounds of foliage a day,
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which is a lot of lettuce, you know, a lot
of foliage. So you know they're gonna eat, they eat,
you know, temperatures there they have to eat every day
of the year or they're going to die and they're
gonna starve to death. Eventually be slower growing animals to
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reproductive cycle will be lower if they aren't healthy. Deer
aren't there. We have deer in our backyard I live
and should hit and very small lot, a little a
little bit of hedging in the back connects at homes
and that we have a deer here. You can tell
that the dough she has a scar on her side.
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She's had two fawns, three fawns and two fawns this year.
That's an explosive deer, you know. And that's that's in
the residential area. So again I think defencing where it's
applicable in small areas, maybe where you like a collection
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of plants that costas. For instance, we try to keep
the the deer resistant plants in a smaller area so
we can't concentrate the sprays, the treatment, even the fencing. Sometimes,
you know, if you want to plant a hoste garden,
you definitely have to do something right. So we start
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out with the fencing is the best, and then you're
going too the sprays.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
When you're when you're when you're doing that, you know,
and and of course obviously you're looking at low bars
or or you know, what are could you know, tip
should be deer resistant type plants abwously, there are other
plants that folks want to use. So you know, we say, okay, well,
you know they could they could browse on this, So
we're going to treat with some kind of a repellent
to try to keep them moving on. When you're using
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repellents in the landscape, do you do a combination of
like do you go out to the edge of the
property as well as within the property to try to
keep them moving on first of all, and then trying
to treat up closer to where these uh more high
brows plants would be. And how often do you do that?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Uh there?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Ecally? You know, if the rains will wash some of
this soft. So you're really talking if you want to
keep intense control every two weeks you get three days
of rain, you better do it right after it stops raining,
after the fold and strives well so it can absorb it.
Like the one thing about the deer control, is there
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an animal that will pattern again that have to eat
so much foliage a day. There we use deer scram
which is a dry application. The one we're using now
is deer stopper. The other one we'll use that I
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don't know that. Uh, that's this is not my I
don't know everything about this, and I will admit that
the deer stripper, that's what our our garden Tear division
really likes using. And then the liquid fence is another one,
and you want to rotate those. You know, if people
also hang garlic, there's a little garlic clips you can buy.
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There's uh you know, put the old human hair in
a mesh bag and hang it in a bar of
Irish spring soap is going to deter him. But again
it's it's the deer population in the area. And it's
also they're going to get used to that sooner.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Or later, So you keep changing it up so they
don't get used to what you're doing out there. I mean,
as a matter of fact, if you checked it with
a lot of these manufacturers of deer repellents, they'll all
te they guarantee to work, but they all tell you
is to mix it up, you know, don't always you know,
if you use liquid fence all the time, they get
they can kind of get used to that. So, you know,
deer scram then you mixed up with a little liquid
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fence and a little deer stopper repels all whatever, and
you kind of keep, you know, mixing it up, so
they had different smells. I think I have found that
that you probably have to be to be more effective
than just stick with one particular type.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, are always always switching them up. And you know,
some of them, like the deer stopper does not have
much of the odor. The liquid fence has no odor,
and then the deer scram has an odor. The other
one is bob X.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The odor is not good, I'll put it that way,
but again mixing it up certain areas up close personal
with your home, your living space, and that you didn't
want to go with one that has a less odor
to it naturally. And then out in the you know
I call it the back forty. Yeah, plants back there
that you know, maybe you can take a little bit
(30:21):
more great and yeah, that rod text is it is
a product is called. And then rosemary oil is also
something that will I think the deer stripper contains rosemary.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, so small. I just
saw deer scram, and I know Dave Cutabac, who developed
deer scram, has now a liquid deer scram that should
be available for everybody next year, twenty twenty six. And
it's got rosemary in it. I think it's got cinnamon, garlic,
a couple other things as well. So it's a it's
a different formula than like the original deer the granular
(30:55):
deer scram, but it's two different types, and of course
then that's great because you can alternate them back and forth.
So yeah, rosemary seems to always fall into that those
deer repellent categories. They don't don't like that one, and
then sometimes I don't like that one either, all right,
Kevin O'Dell. Always great information. We appreciate it. We always
appreciate when you call in and share information about plants
(31:16):
as well. We love your knowledge. You do a great
job and appreciate you spending time with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I appreciate the time we're on. Again, I'm not the
expert on all this. There's a you know, go to
a rector site or the Ohio State, Ohio Department of
Natural Resource. They're great sources and I think you all
would enjoy those and learn something from them like I did.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell again. The website is Kendrick
O'Dell dot com have a great weekend, sir, Thank you
all right, take care Kevin O'Dell and we'll take a
quick break. We come back. Phone lines are open for you.
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two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yarding. And you know, one
of the big things that always comes up, always comes
up at a garden talk. We talk about a lot
on our show. That's a major issue pretty much around
the United States. You get out there and you get
that landscape planted and it's looking good, and all of
a sudden, the deer come through. And you haven't seen
(00:23):
deer in fifty, you know, fifty years, and all of
a sudden they show up in your yard and it
becomes a solid bull and it's a yeah really and
we all kind of deal with it in some level
or another. Well, we're going to talk a little bit
about what you may be able to do to help
eliminate that. But on this I also want to talk
today about something that's affecting deer, that may affect the
(00:45):
deer that come into your yard and garden, and if
it does, we want to know more about it and
to help us out with this. One is our good friend.
You've heard them on our show many many times, chiming
in on great plants that are out there and of
course great tips as well. The company is Kendrick and
O'Dell Landscaping. Their website is Kendrickodell dot com and he
(01:05):
happens to be Kevin O'Dell. Good morning. Wow, all your
fans are cheering for you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm not sure about that. Uh. I did people know
we're going to be talking about that today, Roy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I did know how many people were? You know we're
big fans of Kevin O'Dell. Geez, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Sure about that. I'm just a planned guy and a
person who hunts and many other things.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that's why that's why you have such an exciting life.
All right, So, first of all, I want to thank
Sarah Cook for hooking this up. That's like your people
conquacting my peoples, you know, go back and forth, shared share.
Sarah did a very good job, so thank you very
much for doing that. All right, Well, sure you informed
me this past week about a disease that the Ohio
(01:56):
Department Natural Resources are looking for reports if this happened
to be in your particular area. Now we all, I think,
for the most part, as I was saying earlier, deal
with deer of some type passing through or hanging out
in our yards or whatever it may be. And of
course they we'll talk a little bit more about that
a little bit later on as far as you know,
preventing damages if we can. But here's a situation where
(02:18):
if deer come into your yard and are acting really unusual,
and I'm sure you're going to tell us what we're
going to be looking for. This is a disease and
I guess affects deer but not us humans. But I
guess it's getting serious enough that now the the od
n R wants to know where we're seeing this and
and of course with a drought situation, I understand this
(02:39):
makes it even worse. First of all, pronounce what this
disease is, because all I can say is ehday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Episodic hemorrhage disease.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Zotic hemorrhage is very very commonly known as EHD. It's
going to be your easiest thing to google anything that
we speak about today.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I would have. I would have shredded that. I
tried out a million times. There's no way I could
have gotten that one out. So he did a very
good job, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So eh, I'm not definitely, I'm not really sure of
the Bazoudic pronunciation, but we'll call it that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It looks good to me. I think you did a
wonderful job so eh D in deer. First of all,
so that we're not in a panic. It doesn't affect.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Us, no, sir, not at all. And you being you
don't want to consume a deer that is showing signs
of it in typical hunting parlance, you know, you don't
want to see a dead deer, dead deer on the
road that's been hit. Uh, it's just common sense, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so if we if something would happen like all right,
so you're a hunter and you're up on your tree
stand and you have no idea whether this deer had
e h D. And so you shoot it and you
take an home and you address it, and you know,
you put in the freezer. Can that affect you by
eating that venicon?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Not? If you feel a healthy deer?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And you can tell it again, as a person who hunts,
you can tell which deer are sick depressed attitude. I
mean you can almost see them walking through the woods
that it's like this, dear. Maybe in fact, if you
have any questions, just don't don't harvest it. You'll see
the heads down off and you'll see deer around a
(04:32):
lot of water or any kind of water because they
what they do is it affects their respiratory system. You'll
spight them in the shade. You'll find them near creeks,
even if the creek is not running. It's a cooler
environment that they don't that they you know, it makes
them feel better. I've seen deer creek bottoms and that's
(04:56):
happening a lot right now. We had we have one
job site in the eastern side of town, probably eight
to ten acres. We have found six dead deer on
there in the last week. Really they're all near all
near dry creeks.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, sir, Wow, So how did the deer get the
ehd well?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's a just it's an annual infestation. The deer are
infected by a midge, which is basically a kind of fly,
and you can the eac comes from very very hot,
dry summers and that's one reason they will go to
(05:40):
water or water area, a water irrigated lawn that's the
case that we've experienced, and woods nearby water. It's up
this year, I mean because we've had that high dry summers.
We've had a lot of rains this spring, especially in
(06:01):
and that seems to bring on the hatch of you know,
their healthy flies basically, and that seems to bring on
the hatch when it gets hotter and drier. You know,
we've had the public reports of dead and six deer.
Now this is just updated five days ago by the
Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Twenty and twenty two, fifteen
(06:24):
hundred cases, twenty twenty three, eighteen cases, twenty twenty four,
two thousand and twenty one hundred. Basically two thousand and
twenty five seven thousand, four hundred and eighty six. That's
almost a four four times increase from last year. Very close. Wow,
(06:47):
We've got the hot, we've got the wet. We have
the hot, and we have the dry. That's going to
increase the activity of the deer that can transmit it,
and then the flies feeding on dead deer can go
to another deer, healthy deer, and they do all the time.
(07:09):
They're like any animal flies following around and then that
that midge bite and will then infect the healthy deer.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wow. All right, So that was a lot to say
right there. That was I mean, that's that's crazy stuff there.
I mean, that's really coming on. Talking with Kevin O'Dell
on their websites check it out. It's Kendrick O'Dell dot com.
And Kevin, of course a true plantsman here in our area,
great landscape designer, landscape installer, plantsman, and he's a hunter
(07:37):
as well, letting us know about a disease that you
may see deer having in your backyard called e HD.
And it's something if you do, uh want to know
about it, this state wants to know about it. And
this isn't more than Ohio, right, Oh yeah, it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Lot of states, a lot of states, more in the
eastern part of the country. You know, with the common
little deer. Okay, a herd gets big, those herds move
out and expand, which is why we have them in
Ohio such a hard time with them. So that disease
(08:14):
is also spreading by the numbers of deer. The population
of the deer that we have. That disease correlates to
the bigger population of deer kind of follows it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wow, So you know so with this EHD. So how
all right? So then folks are listening saying Okay, I
understand where it's out there, et cetera, et cetera. How
would I know? What do I look for when deer
come into my yard that I may suspect they have
EHD besides the fact that they drop dead by my
water pond or my water bath or whatever it may be,
(08:49):
what other symptoms would I see?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well? According to the odn R website, which is really
really good, how Department of Natural Reason sources and they
have a you can scroll down in Ohio Department of
Natural Resources EHD. They have a very informal, very good
website on their o d n R e HD and
(09:19):
the symptoms they vary and usually develop after seven days
to exposure. The deer appear disoriented and show little or
no fear. So, if you have deer and you've been
observing in your garden, yard, wood space, whatever, if you
see them acting funny, uh, and then you know, if
(09:42):
you're seeing them on a regular basis, like you know
a hundred would you would see, Okay, this year's acting strange.
They might appear feverish. You're going to see someone you
know going the water. If you're hunting in a very
web area, if you have a irrigated lawn, if you
have a small water feature, they're going to go to
(10:05):
that and they're gonna they're going to appear to you
that they're sick. I mean, there's really no question that
these these animals are sick. And then also you know
then your neighbors that they're seeing them, and the community
seeing them and sending out alerts on it. I just
was on the Indian Hill website earlier. And then they
do a great job of reporting and uh, yeah in
(10:30):
Newtown does a really good job. You know, we see
these mostly on the east side of town. Uh the
reports of that's also where Better Godell does a lot
of work. We're around them, and we had six on
the site, like like I said earlier, but we've also
had them scattered through you know, our work area parks
(10:54):
are a good thing on the east side mostly right now,
but you know, it's an easy go anywhere. It's the
weather conditions that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Started sure talking about Kevin O'Dell about this disease. And
again remember you can't get it doesn't affect you, but
we want to know about the deer if they are
in your area, have these symptoms, and you can go
to no matter what state you're in. You can go
here to just learn more about it. The od n
R a high Department of Natural Resources and get the
(11:23):
information about EHD and learn more about what to look
for in your deer. And if you think you've they've
got it, you need to report it, let them know
about it, and will they do anything about it. They
just basically want to know where you're seeing it, where.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're seeing it, just for recording it. See if there's
any real strong movement, which is in Ohio. It shows that.
There's a great map on again the Ohio Department and
Natural Resources site. There's a map on shows you the
number of infections in every different county in Ohio. Bas
(12:00):
we started pretty much on the southwest side of Ohio,
migrating different areas of no infection, areas of reported infection,
areas with mild and all the way to you know,
a lot of it there. It's a great colored map
of the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
YEP. So learn more about it, what to look for it.
Go to the od n R a website and you're
looking for general information about EHD affecting deer. We're gonna
take a quick break. We come back. We'll talk to
you Kevin and see what he does to help deer proof?
Is there such a thing the landscapes where there's a
lot of deer here in the garden with Ron Wilson help, So.
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Speaker 1 (15:06):
Talking to your rding at eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five Special guests this morning, Kevin O'Dell.
Their website is Kendrick Odell dot com, talking about little disease.
It's affecting a lot of deer in our area, could
be in your state as well. Learn more about it. Uh,
check out our website first and you can go to
your state as well. O d n R the High
Department of Natural Resources and it's called eh D. I'm
(15:29):
not about to pronounce the disease. Kevin did a great job,
but I would rip that to shred. So eh D
check it out, learn more about it now. You know
there's a lot of folks out there, Kevin that we're saying.
I wish this a disease would spread more and.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More, absolutely to bron I believe it's going to I mean,
deer can't breathe. We're moving into the breeding season and
it kind of sounds like it's gonna kind of overlap
with the EHD. These midges from they cause the EHD
(16:03):
are going to die after the first frost. The colder weather,
they're not as active and basically they're going to die
after the first frost, so you're not going to have
transmission from dead midges. So that's cooler. But then we
also have the breeding season coming accident. Actually it's getting
ready to start right now, so you're overlapping dead midges
(16:26):
dead deer breeding season. If the dose aren't there, they
can't be bred, So you're going to have a decline
in the deer population for at least three to four years,
maybe five in some areas where you don't have many deer.
So it is going to be a blessing, and I've
explained that to gardeners. Yes, some people feel sorry for
(16:51):
the deer because they're dying, but other people are very
joyous about that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well they can be. I get it, I both I
see both sides there, and I feel bad for them
going through this too. But you know, again, reducing populations
a little bit is a real plus as well. Let
me ask you a question here. If I go into
a break, because we've got about a minute and a
half to go before we go to the break here,
because I spent too much time talking in the first
break there. Can you hang on and when we come back,
(17:18):
give us one more segment about what you do to
to do a more deer proof landscape.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Certainly, but I'm going to say leading into that there
is no dear proof exact.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, that's that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Can cut down on them and cut down on the
use of the use more than de resistant.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's it. And I think that's my whole lead into
this whole thing before as a little tease, is that
are there really deer proof landscapes? No? Kevin and I
both agree on that. Are there deer proof proof plants
out there? I think Kevin and I both agree on
this one too. Probably not low brows, maybe one thing,
but actual deer proof not many on that list anymore.
(18:01):
So let's take a quick break, all right, and we'll
come back and we're gonna get put Kevin on the
hold again. Go to the website, check it out. It's
a good website, Kendrickodell dot com and learn about more
about his company there. They do a great job of
a well known landscaped division or firm in art particular area.
But he does a lot of landscaping and areas that
(18:22):
are heavily populated with deer, like Indian Hill and Madeer
and Montgomery places like that, heavily populated with deer. So
how do you deal with that? You know, we've got
the repellents, We've got low brows plants. You get to
see the list of deer resistant plants, which I don't
go for anymore. I say lows lowbrows are rarely damaged.
But Kevin's got some great insights on this as well.
(18:45):
So we'll take a break here at the at the
bottom of the hour, and Kevin's gonna go on hold
for us, So state stay with us because I think
he's got some good tips to share with us as
far as this deer thing. And again, learn more about
this disease. Go to the od n r's website, look
up EHD learn more about it. If you're deer in
your area seem to be exhibiting this disease, let them
(19:06):
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, Kevin O'Dell. He's a true plassman in
our area landscape designer. Does an excellent job talking about EHD,
a little disease that we're seeing the deer in our
area in other states as well, and what to look
for for that. But the next question is, all right,
so you do a lot of landscaping, Kevin, and heavily
(21:06):
deer populated areas such as Indian Hill and the surroundings.
But you know a lot of work in situations like that,
how do you approach doing a new landscaping, renovating a
landscape whatever may be, when you know darn well there
are deer lurking everywhere that can't wait to try out
your new landscape design.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Ron, there's a few things you can try. The most
effective one and again, as a person who hunts, we're permitted.
Hunting is a great advantaged disadvantage to the deer because
they can be hunted. If the deer aren't there, they
can't breathe and you know, make a bigger hurt. Right,
(21:49):
That's you know, that's my little pitch for allowing hunting.
You know, most of the hunts in those areas are
archery only. Most of the time you're in a tree stand,
you are going down. There's a lot of places now,
communities and things that are allowing deer hunting in them.
Always buy our tree. The places you can do do
(22:13):
this at or a lot of the parks, a lot
of the community areas. Indian Hill has a great hunting program.
It's all by bow. You have to take a task,
be serified, but to know where you're going to be hunting.
But they will also give you permission to hunt on
private land. Well you can get permission hunt on privately
(22:37):
and all the time, but the police and we'll find
you up an area that you can hunt with the
land owners agreement. They call the police. Sean Purdue as
an officer there who was in charge of that program.
They're a great guy. He's going to find a place
for you to hunt. I mean there's private homes that
(22:57):
don't get asked to hunt on foot. They know these
people and they will work out a deal. Where you've
been on the other thing, you know it's on a
oh it has to be maintained. It's a deer fencing.
It's a plastic fencing. We definitely recommend the six foot
high fencing of a plastic type and then that way
(23:21):
the deer can't get in. It will have to be maintained,
especially in order sites from a limb coming down. Deer
will crawl underneath it. So you have to make sure
there's no gaps in the deer fencing when you're crossing
a low spotas they will crawl or they will jump
steep slopes. They're not going to jump over because they
don't feel safe jumping from a lower area to a
(23:43):
higher area the or vice versa. It's a good deterrent
for them. With the fencing. We use a lot of
sprace for the deer. I think, well, let's go back
a little bit. I think there's plants that you can
plant that are not dearproof, the deer resistant. There's a
great site on the Ohio website. Again you hit to
(24:07):
go to Ohio and theyavigate through it, but it tells
you some great information about the deer resistant plants and
Rutgers University. It's wreckers l M dot com. They have
a very good website. In fact, I think it's a
little more more correct than the more exclusive than the
(24:31):
Ohio or the Cornell University. Again that's regers. Yeah, we
use university.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We use the Rutger one all the time. I mean that,
you know. And again they've addressed that because their categories
are rarely damaged, it starts out at rarely damaged to
load a moderate to extreme damage rather, you know. And
again they talk about the fact that no plants deer
proof and deer resistant. You know, there are still plants
out there the deer will avoid, but they have those
(24:59):
categor which I think are outstanding.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, sir, they are well, you know deer and there's
certain conditions will eat anything, Yeah, they have to eat
to survive or a room and an animal, I mean
they have to adjust so much food per day. And
there's a test have shown that a healthy adult animal
needs to eat seven to nine pounds of foliage a day,
(25:23):
which is a lot of lettuce, you know, a lot
of foliage. So you know they're gonna eat, they eat,
you know, temperatures there they have to eat every day
of the year or they're going to die and they're
gonna starve to death. Eventually be slower growing animals to
(25:45):
reproductive cycle will be lower if they aren't healthy. Deer
aren't there. We have deer in our backyard I live
and should hit and very small lot, a little a
little bit of hedging in the back connects at homes
and that we have a deer here. You can tell
that the dough she has a scar on her side.
(26:06):
She's had two fawns, three fawns and two fawns this year.
That's an explosive deer, you know. And that's that's in
the residential area. So again I think defencing where it's
applicable in small areas, maybe where you like a collection
(26:26):
of plants that costas. For instance, we try to keep
the the deer resistant plants in a smaller area so
we can't concentrate the sprays, the treatment, even the fencing. Sometimes,
you know, if you want to plant a hoste garden,
you definitely have to do something right. So we start
(26:49):
out with the fencing is the best, and then you're
going too the sprays.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
When you're when you're when you're doing that, you know,
and and of course obviously you're looking at low bars
or or you know, what are could you know, tip
should be deer resistant type plants abwously, there are other
plants that folks want to use. So you know, we say, okay, well,
you know they could they could browse on this, So
we're going to treat with some kind of a repellent
to try to keep them moving on. When you're using
(27:15):
repellents in the landscape, do you do a combination of
like do you go out to the edge of the
property as well as within the property to try to
keep them moving on first of all, and then trying
to treat up closer to where these uh more high
brows plants would be. And how often do you do that?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Uh there?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Ecally? You know, if the rains will wash some of
this soft. So you're really talking if you want to
keep intense control every two weeks you get three days
of rain, you better do it right after it stops raining,
after the fold and strives well so it can absorb it.
Like the one thing about the deer control, is there
(27:56):
an animal that will pattern again that have to eat
so much foliage a day. There we use deer scram
which is a dry application. The one we're using now
is deer stopper. The other one we'll use that I
(28:18):
don't know that. Uh, that's this is not my I
don't know everything about this, and I will admit that
the deer stripper, that's what our our garden Tear division
really likes using. And then the liquid fence is another one,
and you want to rotate those. You know, if people
also hang garlic, there's a little garlic clips you can buy.
(28:43):
There's uh you know, put the old human hair in
a mesh bag and hang it in a bar of
Irish spring soap is going to deter him. But again
it's it's the deer population in the area. And it's
also they're going to get used to that sooner.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Or later, So you keep changing it up so they
don't get used to what you're doing out there. I mean,
as a matter of fact, if you checked it with
a lot of these manufacturers of deer repellents, they'll all
te they guarantee to work, but they all tell you
is to mix it up, you know, don't always you know,
if you use liquid fence all the time, they get
they can kind of get used to that. So, you know,
deer scram then you mixed up with a little liquid
(29:22):
fence and a little deer stopper repels all whatever, and
you kind of keep, you know, mixing it up, so
they had different smells. I think I have found that
that you probably have to be to be more effective
than just stick with one particular type.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, are always always switching them up. And you know,
some of them, like the deer stopper does not have
much of the odor. The liquid fence has no odor,
and then the deer scram has an odor. The other
one is bob X.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The odor is not good, I'll put it that way,
but again mixing it up certain areas up close personal
with your home, your living space, and that you didn't
want to go with one that has a less odor
to it naturally. And then out in the you know
I call it the back forty. Yeah, plants back there
that you know, maybe you can take a little bit
(30:21):
more great and yeah, that rod text is it is
a product is called. And then rosemary oil is also
something that will I think the deer stripper contains rosemary.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, so small. I just
saw deer scram, and I know Dave Cutabac, who developed
deer scram, has now a liquid deer scram that should
be available for everybody next year, twenty twenty six. And
it's got rosemary in it. I think it's got cinnamon, garlic,
a couple other things as well. So it's a it's
a different formula than like the original deer the granular
(30:55):
deer scram, but it's two different types, and of course
then that's great because you can alternate them back and forth.
So yeah, rosemary seems to always fall into that those
deer repellent categories. They don't don't like that one, and
then sometimes I don't like that one either, all right,
Kevin O'Dell. Always great information. We appreciate it. We always
appreciate when you call in and share information about plants
(31:16):
as well. We love your knowledge. You do a great
job and appreciate you spending time with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I appreciate the time we're on. Again, I'm not the
expert on all this. There's a you know, go to
a rector site or the Ohio State, Ohio Department of
Natural Resource. They're great sources and I think you all
would enjoy those and learn something from them like I did.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell again. The website is Kendrick
O'Dell dot com have a great weekend, sir, Thank you
all right, take care Kevin O'Dell and we'll take a
quick break. We come back. Phone lines are open for you.
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out there. Matter of fact, giving an update on some
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