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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yarding, and I'm excited because
it's been a while since we've had her on our show.
She co authored a book that I love and I
probably have recommended this book to more people than most
of the books I have because people are always interested
in this. It's a great way to get kids involved

(00:24):
with this, and it's a great read. You learn more.
I mean, we have Barbie Bletcher, our Queen Bee, on
the show all the time. We learn every time we
have Barbon. You read this book, and I'm telling you
what it is, absolutely outstanding. It's called The Bees in
Your Backyard and it's co authored by Joseph Wilson and
by doctor Olivia Carrill. And guess who's with us this morning,

(00:45):
and she's been studying bees for over twenty years is
doctor Olivia Carrill. Where you been in Good.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Morning, run. It's nice to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So you've been out and about traveling around and.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Have been oh man, yeah, I've been doing a lot
of research, mostly in the west On public lands, trying
to figure out what wild bees they have out there,
and what plants they're visiting.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Wow, that's crazy. And you know what, I don't think
I said this last time we had you on the show,
But I like the fact that you say wild bees
is I mean, thank you know, rather than the native bees.
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I mean it's the same You're talking basically the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Right, kind of the same thing. It's tricky. I think
wild bees is a more accurate term just because the
bees that you see that aren't honey bees include both,
you know, species that have come over from Europe and
aren't technically natives, but then also the native bees. The
wild beast kind of encompasses both of those.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, so I like that wild bees. Yeah, get out there,
take care of the gift, make a bed and breakfast
in your backyard for the wild bees.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's right, That's right exactly, So you.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Know, you know, of course, since you we've written this book,
and I'm being honest, I have recommended this book to
so many people, especially to moms and dads who want
to get the kids more involved without side to let
him go through this book and then go out there
and try to find some of these or if they
find a few bees out there, you know, can you
identify them? Uh? And it's and as we talked before,
it's a great read and it absolutely is. And uh,

(02:12):
you guys did a great job. I did not realize.
So so I went on your website the other day
that Joseph Wilson, who co authored a book with you,
wanted to be a lion. Yeah, when he was two
years old he wanted to grow up to be a lion.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's right, That's right, that's Joe.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So is he.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I love that you found that detail.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So is he out the traveling around to talking about
the world of bees.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Joe's got a couple.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Of projects going on.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
He works for Utah State University, and so he's been
hard at work helping a lot of undergrads work on
projects that they can do sort of locally. He did
a really cool one last summer where he he and
an undergrad student looked to see how much impact cars
were having on bees. Oh they you know, drive down
the road, how many end up on the grill of

(03:00):
your car, and sort of what the numbers are for that.
It's kind of an interesting project. I look forward to
seeing what they find.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I was going to say having results. I'd be curious
to see that too. I get more every now and then,
I guess somebody that will say, you know, you know, look,
you think about all the insects that are out there
and the world today, and bees included obviously, But you
think of all these and it says they always say,
you know, I remember when we were a kid and
we would travel in the car and drive somewhere for vacation,
you always got out and cleaned off the windshield because

(03:28):
it had bee juice all over it or bug juice
all over the insects. And today you don't seem to
see that as much anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, And I think one of the big things is
that you know, out here in the east, where we
clear the area beside the roads off and you find
more wild flowers there than you do as you head
into the forest where the flowers kind of disappear, which
concentrates the bees along the edges of the roads. And
in the west, because water's kind of a scarce resource,
a lot of the plants grow where the runoff comes

(03:59):
from the road, and so bees are concentrated there as well.
And sort of what that impact is I know, I
know for sure it's millions and millions of bees per day,
but we're still trying to sort of wrap our minds
around how to extrapolate that data best.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, I see it interesting, Yeah, And then you see
those statistics, and of course this spring we had the
major be honeybee loss that it was experienced, and boy,
you put all those together, not a good thing, not
a good thing.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
But it makes something like Pollinator Week which starts this week,
extra important and a good time to get out in
your garden and celebrate those pollinators and look for the
specialists on your zucchini and the bumble bees on your strawberries,
and all the little ones that are buzz pollinating your tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
You can see them right in our gardens.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And the things that we plan around our house become
extra important just to sort of counter some of the
stuff that's happening in wilder landscapes.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah. No, I will tell you know, I tell folks
at all the time. And so you know what the
native were, the wild bees. They're always in your backyard.
They've been there for you know, you just got to look.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
For them and been there forever.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes, And the more you plant flowers or whatever that
attract them in and make your backyard a bed and
breakfast for these wild bees. The more you're going to see.
But they're always there. You're just trying to help them
out a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's it, And I would say, and I'm just going
to put this out there now. I think one of
the best ways to help them is to learn a
little bit about them. And here I am in Ohio.
I'm actually in Ohio right now for a whole series
of walks and talks about wild bees. We're going to
make our way all the way through the state. We're
going to be at University of Mount Union doing a

(05:37):
workshop and a campfire talk outside. We're going to be
at Forest Park Conservancy looking at bees in the gardens there.
And we're going to travel down to the Highland Nature
Sanctuary and check out bees by Bainbridge and do a
workshop down there and a bee walk.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
So if people are interested.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
In learning about the bees so that they know best
how to help them in their in their yards and
counter you know, what they do when they drive their
car around and stuff, that might be a good time
to do that. There's a lot of programs this week.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and well, I mean now we're going to take
a break here in a second, and we'll come back
and we'll kind of walk everybody through where they can
find you this week in Ohio. Now, in this book,
I think what's interesting is, you know, there's you you
had mentioned there's roughly four hundred thousand different bee species
in the United States and Canada, and probably four thousand
I'm sorry, and in this book you address about nine

(06:29):
hundred I think, or.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So, yeah, it's like a reasonable member.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh, I don't know whatever it is. But anyway, since
you have written this book, have you found more species
that we did not know about or weren't aware of
that are in the United States and Canada?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
So the number of bees that have you know, they've
been named and identified and published in the literature is gosh.
I think we're at something around three thousand, six hundred,
three thousand, seven hundred. But then we have a lot
of species that we just kind of call them morpho species.
We know they're different from each other, but no one's
gone to the work of putting official names on them

(07:09):
and making sure that everything matches up across all the
museums across the country. But when you add all of
those in it's probably around four thousand, I will say
in some of my works that I've been doing in
the West, though, we're finding new morpho species to add
to that list, so we expect the number is going
to be a little over four thousand at this point.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, are these species that still growing?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Okay? Well, are these species that were identified at one
time or are these species that don't match up with
anything else so you're now identifying them as whatever they are?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, that's just it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
There's species that don't match anything in a collection anywhere,
and of course there's several collections, so it takes a
while to kind of verify against each of those. But
these are our new species that have not been seen before.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Unbelievable. All right, So we're going to take a break
and going to come back and let folks know where
they can find in the state of Ohio this week.
But let me ask you one last name before we
take the break. How many times? How many times you
get stung? Every year?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
You Know what's funny is most years it's like once
I just get I get unluckier, I put my hand
in the net when I shouldn't and and I get stung. Once.
I mean, I'm not really the main threat to bees,
and they're not really aware that my skin is what
they should be going for when I catch them. But
this year, I was in a space in the middle

(08:31):
of nowhere in southern Utah and there was I don't know.
I slung my net and ended up with like thirty
bees in my net all at once, and I got
stung four times in like three minutes, and I decided
that I probably deserved it. I probably deserved it at
that point.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
But we're talking with doctor Olivia Carrill. Her book is
The Bees in Your Backyard. Check it out. If you
don't have it, you should. We come back. We're going
to find out how you can meet her and experience
all this with her here in the state of o
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Speaker 1 (11:28):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson's special
guest this morning, doctor Olivia Carrill. And we've had her
on our show before because she has has written a
co written a book that's absolutely outstanding. If you don't
have it, you're missing out. It's a guy in North
America's Bees. The Bees in your Backyard great for you
and the kids. And don't forget you probably don't remember.
My favorite of all these bees in here was the

(11:48):
cuckoo the family with the most slackers.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I love that you love the cuckoo bees.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
They don't get enough left from the world.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
There you go. You figures I would pick those out,
but I did. I think those are great. But anyway,
you'll learn all about those in her book, The Bees
in Your Backyard. Now you are in the state of Ohio,
and you're going to move through this week, and you've
got several stops along the way.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, that's right. I love coming to Ohio to talk
about bees.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I think the most enthusiastic lovers of pollinators live in
this state right here.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know it. And you're not just saying that because
you're in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I am not saying that. I tell that to everybody.
I can be in Colorado and tell people that it
is the truth. You guys are so excited and curious
and open minded and want to understand how the world works.
It's really great.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, they really do. And there's a lot of beekeepers
associations through Ohio, South Central you know Northern Knox County,
you got the Ohio bee keepers. You know, there's a
lot of great information out there as well. You got
to of course, just Tina Block. I think you've met
Justina with all that she does, and it's great. You're right,
and there's a lot of fun foks that really are

(13:01):
concerned and interested not only with the honey bees, but
with the wild bees as well. So it's a great Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
And the master gardeners. Master gardeners are a fantastic group.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah too.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
They always you know, they they they're out observing in
their gardens and they they see things that are new
to me. I learn a lot from them every time
I see them.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, you know, and I and again I'm not blowing
smoke here. When you when I first got your book
and I went through it, and all you know, once
you do that, then you start to go outside, you
notice them more, I think than you did before you
went through, because now you realize they're there and you
kind of know what to look for, what to look,
where to find them, and all of a sudden, it's like, wow,
she was right, not that you would ever be wrong,

(13:38):
but yeah, she's right. Those things are you know in
my backyard, I'll be darn.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's one of my favorite things is just to watch them.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay in my yard.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
And that's what you do for a living. And I
think that's outstanding.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
You were able to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
So you're going to end up the week in Bainbridge, Ohio.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
That is correct.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, you're going to be at the Arc of Appalachia
Preserve I think it is. And again, if you want
more information, if you go there to find out more
about them, it's Arcofappalachia dot org. Arcofappalation dot org. But
there is a was it a three day workshop going
on there?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I'm doing a workshop Friday evening. We'll do a lecture
with dinner, and then Saturday's an all day workshop. Will
learn how to identify the bees. We'll go watch them
outside on different plants and sort of figure out their
behaviors and learn about specific ones sort of natural history
in the field. And then we'll wrap it up Sunday
morning and do some sort of small groups to review

(14:39):
all of the things we've learned and talk through talk
through why it's important to take care of our bees.
On Sunday morning. It should be really fun.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well with you being involved and in charge of this thing,
of course, it's going to be a lot of fun.
So if folks is that's the best website for them
to go to to learn more about and to register
correct the Arc of Appalation.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, that's the place to go. Yeah, And if people
don't have enough time to spend the whole weekend, we're
also going to do just a lecture, one evening lecture
on specifically bees and flowers and how they sort of
work together on Saturday nights. So folks don't want to
come for the whole weekend, there is a shorter lecture, got.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It, And this will be at the Highlands Nature Sanctuary
in Bainbridge, Ohio, between Hillsboro and Chillicothee. I think is
a great way to describe that. I think it's on yeah,
a route fifty, Route fifty fifty two whatever. Anyway, yep,
so that's me. I know, I'm just trying to think
which one it was, but anyway, and yeah, so it
should be a lot of fun obviously, and you'll get

(15:39):
to meet doctor Olivia Carilla as well. And I was
looking at your restaurant options there. Did you look at those?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yes, someone else is driving the.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Voat okay, because they have a dairy queen there.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Tell me about it. Oh well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
So I just I thought I bring that up. And
there is a place that does a fried pies.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Wow. Really?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot of fun. I
think you have coming to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, just just eating the food. I think you're gonna
have a great, great time in Bainbridge. So anyway, so
it's a three day and you can sign up. Still
time to sign up for it again. The website is
ARC and it's ARC Arcofappalasia dot org. And then you
get yourself signed up and it's a three day event,
or like Olivia said, you can do the one evening

(16:25):
event as well.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Right, Yeah, that's exactly correct. And I don't know how
many of your listeners are outside of the Bainbridge area
over by Cincinnati, but also up by Columbus. We're doing
something in Franklin Park on Wednesday, so if it's too
much of a drive to get down to Bainbridge, there
is an hour two hour lecture at Franklin Park on Wendesday.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Is that in the evening.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
No, it's from.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
One to three. You want to get out when the
bees are out so we can go watch them in
the beautiful garden.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Actually drive them from the from southern Ohio to from
Cincinnati to Columbus or out the Bainbridge almost about the same,
so so you can go and finer. And of course
we have folks listening to us on the state are
surrounding Ohio as well, so it would be worth the drive,
trust me to come and meet this young lady and
to see your book and listen to what she has
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(17:14):
wild bees, and as you can tell, very entertaining and
would be a lot of fun to visit with, and
she'll share all kinds of information. Can you explain one
thing to me? Langstross, Hide and the honey Bee, the
classic Beekeeper's Manual? Why that was written years and years
ago but continues to be one of the top books

(17:35):
out there for manuals.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Isn't that amazing for.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Me to tell you why?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I mean we love a classic book that's got all
of the information we need, right, I mean we come
up with modern ways, but sometimes the things that we've
known for the longest time are the best, and so
I'm sure that's that's why. And I bet, I bet
if you went to some birding website and looked at
the most popular books, a manual on how to take

(18:02):
care of chickens is probably going to be right near
the top. In the same way. So honey bees and
chickens super important and we love to take care of them,
and so those are always going to be good sellers,
but right below them are going to be the bird
Field Guides and the wild Beat Guides.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now you know, see, I knew you'd have the answer,
doctor Olivia Carell. If you want to join her on
any of these workshops, You're going to be at Franklin
Park Conservatory Wednesday one to three. You can go to
the website, I'm sure and find out more about that.
If you want to do the weekend thing, it's going
to be a lot of fun. You're going to miss
out if you don't Arc of Appalachia dot org and

(18:38):
get yourself registered to meet this wonderful person and you
just's I was excited to know that we're kind of
a last minute to get you on the show, but
really appreciate.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It I do too, Ron, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, have fun in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Thank you. I will all right.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Take care Olivia Doctor Olivia Carill and does a great
job in this book. Like I said, I've had this
long time. It's it's all been up. I've got it
here with me. All been up and you used a lot.
But it's uh. It's the Bees in your Backyard by
Olivia Messinger carill It's a cool one. Check it out.

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