October 11, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Eight one hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That is our number. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy talking about yarding. I want to
thank Jeff peep Will again from worm Gannis talking to
us this morning about earthworm castings or warm poop and
interesting process and of course you know verma composting, you
(00:57):
can do that yourself. As a matter of fact, we
talk about getting kids involved with gardening. Uh you know
those verma composting kits, those towers can be you know,
you can buy those things for you know, ninety bucks,
hundred bucks and do your get your red wigglers and
do your own composting, make your own compost t earthworm
tea as well if you want to give that a
(01:19):
try and learn that process and then multiply that by
about a million. And that's what they do at Wormville.
Uh man, I just can't imagine. So I'm on it.
That's on my bucket list to go visit them. I
told Jeff I want to come and visit that. That's
sometimes just to see all the earthworms and how they
process that and interesting enough. You know what he said was,
(01:40):
you know when you smell it, there's no smell to it,
and there really isn't. It's kind of an earthy smell,
but not much of a smell to it at all.
So if you do verma composting in your home, remember that,
you know, that's the same way. It's really you don't
get a whole lot of smell out of if you're
doing it right. Shouldn't be a you know, you do
it right in the house, so it can be a
lot of fun. So another one of those great ways
(02:01):
to get kids involved with gardening. But if you don't
and you want to use more worm castings and your
potting soils and things like that, look for theirs worm
Ganic worm castings and learn more about them at wormville
dot com. A great story and it tells you all
about how they do it in the whole nine yards.
I think it's a lot of fun. Anyway, real quick,
(02:23):
before we go back to the gardening phone lines, we
were talking about somebody we're talking to young lady up
in Marion talking about planningozarborviety and then watering. How important
it is to water these evergreens going through the fall season.
And she was talking about using a soaker hose and
you know, socer hoses are great for the right project,
(02:44):
but that's not one of them. And socer hoses are
much better used when you're soak soaking annual beds, maybe
perennial beds, vegetable gardens, and you'll leave them turned on
for a long time to make sure they soak into
the ground, or watering newly planted trees and shrubs. You've
got to leave those things on almost all the time
(03:06):
to do what you're trying to achieve. As far as watering,
I don't recommend them for that. And I've seen too
many plants that have been lost where we've snaked that
soaker hose around those in that row of arbravity and
it just doesn't provide the water that you need. If
you're using a soaker hose, just turn it on sometime,
come back in two hours and see how much water
(03:28):
you did not get into the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Again, I think there's the right areas to use soaker hoses,
But when it comes to the landscape like that, especially
with newly planted trees and shrubs, the arborvity, the evergreens,
I don't think that's your answer. I think you're gonna
want to do individual hand watering, soaking each plant, tree huggers,
tree sprinklers, tree huggers that go around at stationary sprinklers,
(03:54):
anything like that to really soak them in. Well, all right,
so do keep that in mind. All right, back to
the gardening phone lines, we shall go. Unless you got
Ray and Cincinnatiray.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Good morning, Ron.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
How are you great yourself?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Very good? So I really have three questions, if you
don't mind, Okay. The first one, I want to plant
some groundcover. And I did some research and I came
up with vinca minor I guess you'd call it perrywinkle
or creepy myrtle. And I found a fellow on Amazon
who's selling about two hundred plants bear root, very reasonably priced.
(04:36):
My question is, can I plan a bear root plant
like that at this time of year October, and I'm
a little north of you in Butler County?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I would?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You would not?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I would?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The only way I would do that as a matter
of fact, of all the things that we wouldn't plant
this time of the year, or you start to be
a little bit more cautious, would be like a groundcover
that's in a smaller pot. You know that's maybe a
three inch pot or bear root, because they're not they're
going to start to root in a little bit. But
there's a real good chance that may freeze and thaw
and heave out of the ground. So I would probably
be hesitanting now to pot them up and you know,
(05:14):
over winter mint a garage or something like that, that
would be a different story. But no, I would not
do that this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, all right. My second question is about printing butterfly bushes.
Can I cut a butterfly bush back pretty severely at
this time of year or should I wait till like
March or you know, you can What do you recommend
as far as printing them?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Sure, you can prune butterfly bush either way. You can
cut it back in the fall, cut it back in
the spring. I typically like to just kind of take
them back a little bit over the you know, going
into the winter, but I leave most of the plant
there and you're going to get some winter die back,
and so in the springtime then you can see what's good,
what's bad, and then cut it back or cut it
(06:00):
back totally. I think it helps with the heartiness of
the butterfly bush. If you leave some of those branches
on there over the winter time, so don't take it
back really hard if you do cut it in the fall,
but you know, and then do your major prune and
your major cutback in the springtime.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, like maybe half or something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh yeah, yea. Sometimes you take yeah half now or
third now and in the springtime. I mean we've even
taken those back to the ground in the springtime and
flush them back up from the root system.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, they really grow. And the third question, I have
a hydrange of tree that's bloomed beautifully all summer and
is now going to seed. Should I snip off the
seed pods or just let them go and and maybe
clean it up later.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Again, you got two options. I would leave it on
there for a while. Yet I like to get rid
of those because of the reason being in the fall
is that if you get a lot of snow or
icy conditions and that builds up on those flower buds,
it can bend those over and cause those to snap.
That would that would be the reason I would take
them off going into the winter. Now, some people will
(07:08):
leave them on and use them for you know, for
the winter show. But you do take that risk. You
could always go through at that time and cut them
off if that's the problem and get rid of them.
But I personally will deadhead those late, you know, mid
to late fall, and then do the final final pr
yeah yeah, and still enjoy them because they still look good.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I just wanted to know when to do it. All right,
very good as always your helpful and I love your show,
and thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All right, Ray, good talking to you. Appreciate the call.
Annie in Westchester, good morning, Good.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Morning, Ron. I have questions about growing some of these
interesting new varieties of pumpkins that you're seeing everywhere. We
bought quite a few up at Iron, just fruit form
for decorations. My grandson, my four year old, wants to
grow some next year. Can I take seeds from those plants?
(08:08):
Will I get the same pumpkin.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Or not necessarily?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And it's kind of what I thought.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, sometimes you can get some a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Every year we put pie pumpkins out to decorate in
front of our houses, the smaller pie pumpkins that are
like five six inches in diameter, and the squirrels inevitably
will eat holes in them and then scatter the seeds,
and we always get a couple of volunteer plants here
and there, and we've always let one or two of
those groages to see and unfortunately we've gotten pie pumpkins.
(08:37):
But they can be sometimes they're a little larger or
a little smaller, you know, so they can cross pollinate
and sometimes get something a little different. But you know,
it's worth saving the seed and giving it a try
anyway to see what you get. So would I do
that absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Okay, I did get a volunteer pumpkin this year, which
is where this whole interest started. I neglected to pull
my out of my flower bed and it kind of
rotted down in and then got mulched over and grew
a pumpkin. Yes, it was very fun for the kids.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh, it's you know, it's a great it's a great
educational tool, it really is. You know, to see the
male flowers, female flowers, watch the pumpkins get you know,
form and to grow on there. And then it's amazing
what little care they need to grow the small pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah. Yeah, mine mine for some reason, the I think
bugs got to it. The plant died out late July,
but I still had a pumpkin big enough that I
could keep in the basement until now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, okay, well, what's the Just put the seeds on
paper and let them dry off.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, them an envelope. Yeah, once you have them out,
just to put them on paper towels or whatever. Let
let them dry and then put them in a paper envelope.
As a matter of fact, if you put them on
paper towels and kind of stick on to that, you
can just roll that paper towel up and put it
in an envelope or whatever, and then in the springtime
just pull them off the paper towel. It makes it
really easy for you. It's like a you know, they're
(10:06):
just stuck to it, and then start start them inside
or direct so either way.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Okay, if we're direct sewing, would it be just after frost.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Nope, temperature's got to get up to about sixty five
seventy degrees in that soil temperature. Okay, don't be too early,
too anxious to plant those in the ground.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's probably why the other plant didn't last very long
because it was coming up quite early.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, you want to you want them to come up,
you know, as a matter of fact, some of the
pumping grows won't do anything until they get to about
the first of June or so and then start planting
at that point. So keep that in mind real quick.
Kevin O'Dell, good morning, Good.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Morning, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
How are you.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I am absolutely beautiful and beautiful sunrise this morning. I
saw some there dater on that brought me back to
the appreciation that you and I have for a plant.
Now we have a tree eadium size ornamental tree that's glowing,
glowing with pink right now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And podium.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
There you go it seven sunflower.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I have one in my back garden.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And I was gone for a while, came back and
this just glowing.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Thinks.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I went by a project the other day where you
use three of the larger growing varieties on an entryway
to a property. I came around the bend and those
things just popped. And I thought, you know, everybody wants
to pink dog with, everybody wants to pink crab, apple
and this and that. But what a replacement for those plants,
(11:41):
you know, the multi stems, the foliating carts. I thought,
what a fall showed that I'm gone for a few.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Weeks probably, and think how long the white flowers lasted.
First of all, you know, in the summer, late summer,
I had all that and then those kind of disappeared,
and all a sudden boom, you're back into business again
with these Pinky's red bracts. You know, the sea's coming
on there is phenomenal. But again seven seven sunflowers, the
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common name hepticodium may be hard for you to find
out there, but it is if you find one, is spectacular.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
And it's a wonderful, wonderful pollinator. I've been down to
the nursery af somebody just left real big and they're
absolutely amazing with the number of pollinators that are on
those plants. So it's our it's our Sason plant that
we love so much.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell. Always a pleasure you too, sir,
all I take care. Coming up next, guess what you get?
Three segments of Buggy Joe Boggs Here in the garden. Yeah,
here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Rahmin Wilson and
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Speaker 3 (15:55):
Are you awake, I'm awake. I'm although well, you know,
the sun isn't quite up. I don't know what is
going on there. I mean, I Kevin was saying, a
beautiful sunrise. I'm thinking, I'll wait a minute, where.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What tree standing is Kevin in this morning that he's
seeing that earth sun come up already?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, I'll tell you I think I think he picked
one of the better, one of the best. You guys
were talking about one of the best trees, and I
I kind of question mark that at the end because
it's a it's not a big tree. No, you know,
it's not going to be like an oak. But my goodness,
he's right about the pollinators. Sometimes it gets dangerous under.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Those I started to say, you know, and I were
running out of time because I was going to say
you should see Joe Boggs when he's standing around his
seven sunflower. He's in seventh Heaven with all those bugs
flying around everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, well that's why the danger, isn't I said that wrong?
So I'm sure some of the listeners thought, well, wait
a minute, I don't want a tree. You know, it's
going to bring in a lot of insects. Maybe bring
exactly that's the danger right there. And and other entomologists
just tripping over themselves. I mean, goodness, that's that's the
problem there.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You know, you you had the ant farm when you
were growing up, and of course with your kids as well.
Did you ever do verma composting?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
No? I did. I really didn't. Oh well, you know,
I take it back, I didn't. I didn't realize that,
you know, growing up. You know again where you you
know you you grew up in Appleach. I did too,
in West Virginia that you know, our trash pal was
really verma culturing. We there you go with that. When
(17:38):
we didn't have hogs to feed the leftover vegetables, you know,
then you know when we when we put them out
there in the pile, that's uh, that's where we did
get fish fishing worms. I mean, I'm actually I'm actually serious.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
About that now I come to think of it, Well,
Tony Tony Bender was talking the other day about fishing.
He said, you know what I used to when I
was a kid. I could go somewhere like a dig
in our backyard, get through four nightcrawlers, get them out
there and go fishing. He said, I couldn't find those
a day in my yard whatsoever. And I said, well,
it's a little bit different. I said. You try a
compost pile or throwing a few vegetables out in the
corner of the yard for a couple, you know, a
couple of months, go out there and do that, and
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then you're going to find some worms underneath there.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You know it is. You bring up a good point.
How easy it is, you know, just to I'm trying
to say this kindly, but our memories can become a
little bit more positive than they were at the time sometimes.
But be that as it may. There are some differences.
(18:38):
And you and I have talked about this fraud. A
lot of the homes that you that we you know,
that we grew up in, and many people grew up in,
those are houses that were not built in a development.
They were built in a place where basically the only
disturbance of the soil happened at where the house sets right,
and so a lot of the I'm interrupting just to
(19:01):
kind of give an example. One of the roads that
goes past our development, and I live in a development.
There are quite a few homes that I actually looked
into some of the property histories and built in the
nineteen seventies, ranch style homes, nineteen seventies, sixties some of them.
(19:24):
And when our lawn was going brown here over the
last month because of the drought, those lawns were remaining
green and last year, and I talked about exactly the
same thing. Now, it got a little bit worse last year,
and I'm kind of overstating it, but the point being
is that the grass did not go dormant as quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Oh, and I reminded him
that break, his soil was probably out of his basement.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So we'll talk more exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We'll talk more about that after the break with Buggy
Joe Boggs. Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Non
(20:13):
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of three parts of the Well You
Joe Bobbs, Joe Boggs as your extension B White Easy
by G. L. Dot O s U dot.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
E d U.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And I did remind Tony Bender that the probably the
soil in his backyard was from his basement.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's it is, you know, I had been this first say,
but that first segment kind of went a little fast,
isn't it. I'm poor Gary, I mean, I tell you,
And I was already to start talking about paint and
everything call king and everything else.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But yeah, but you're you do that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I do paint. I just well I read about it ron. Yeah,
I mean I'm an expert, you know, from the uh
the book perspective. But back to the soil. You know,
I used to go dig earthworms everywhere, right, I mean
you could just find them anywhere you are. And the
first thing that we have to keep in mind, though,
(22:54):
is that we have had some changes in our earthworms.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
We've had earth worms that are mostly from Asia that
have been accidentally introduced. They're much more aggressive. You and
I talked about it before, a lot of different names,
you know, crazy worms, I forget the other jumping worms,
and so you know that's part of it. But we
(23:19):
kind of have to remember that a lot of our
major earthworms in the United States, particularly here in the
North part of the United States, are non natives as well,
because the glaciers wiped out, you know, the earth worms.
The point being though, is that is that you know,
when you and I were growing up, most of the
soil around the holmes had not been heavily disturbed moved
(23:41):
around like you said the basement. You know, soil spread
in the front yard or the backyard, and so you
had a high organic batter and it was easy to
find much easier to find earth worms because that's what
they eat. And of course you had to go out
with somebody with a car battery hooked up to two
electrodes that they can stick into the ground. Right. I
(24:07):
that was magical. When I first saw that, I thought, man,
this is this is this is magical. And and it
also disclosed something else, and that was that, you know,
hand digging wasn't so easy so as to find earthworms.
That wasn't the best way to do it. So as you,
(24:27):
as you advise, just pile up some you know, leftover
vegetable scraps, things like that. Be careful piling up such
things as grass clippings, because you can really you can
you know they can compact down to the point where
you get what we call anaerobic decomposition. Then you get
a big stinky thing, and even earthworms won't go into that, right.
(24:50):
But but you know, a compost pile, and I like
I like seeing compost bins, you know that are maintained
or even you know the the I forget the name
of them, you know, the the above ground. They look
like a cement mixer. Just compost tumbler, tumbler, Thank you,
thank you. More coffee is in the future for me,
(25:11):
is all I can say. But but I love seeing those.
They look very neat, and they should. But you know,
just just in the back corner of your property or whatever,
if you have a place to just pile up organic matter,
turn it occasionally. But if you're a fisherman, that's where
you're going to get the earthworms.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's why I told him, I said, you start a
little compost pile in the back corner of your property.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He said. The problem is he doesn't fish anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
There still start a compost pile.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's still a good thing to do. It's still but
beyond that, you know, you know, I've talked about soils before.
I mean, it's the foundation upon which we build plants,
and it is amazing. And you know, I talked about
soul testing, but you know, it is amazing how easy
it is to forget about the importance of soil myself included. Ron.
(26:09):
I'm saying that very fast because even though you and
I talk about all the time, how often, you know,
do we start on a you know, a diagnostic conversation
where we're above ground when we should be thinking below ground.
I mean, it's I just did that the other day
(26:29):
and it just occurred to me. You know, I can't
believe I didn't, I didn't think about that part that
we cannot see that it is so important. So we're
going into the fall and we're making plans for next
year soil test that should be done right now, that
should be done. You know, as you're wrapping things up,
don't you know, don't migrate to the couch to watch
(26:52):
Ohio State win in other games?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well maybe today you want to set Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
All right, that's true. That that's true. Okay, go out
this afternoon when the lesser teams are playing.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
There you go, there, you go, Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That's right. When when does the when does the tide
come out? Roll out? I mean, I'm not sure when
they roll out.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
This that's when you can work in the yard, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
That's when you go out because you know you've just
you've seen the best place.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's right. That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Harold's probably looking for the phone right now.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right, he's laughing, probably spin his coffee out.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But you know, it is the perfect time of the
year to soil test if you depends on what state
you're in, you know, they're I just realized that didn't
come out by right, what.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
State you're in, what state you live in? Well, no,
that doesn't work either.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, that's right, that's right. And and for those who
haven't had all their coffee yet, I mean a I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The geographic region, live in.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
The geographic region. I like that. Then that will influence
a bit on how you may go about soul testing.
In some cases, you know, the extension office can be
very directly involved. We're not in Ohio other than providing
you with help. And you can get kits soil testing kits,
for example, at the Franklin County Extension Office, but not
(28:18):
every extension office has that But the point being is
if you go actually for anyone its just ignore the
last part of it. But if you go to a
website called Ohio Line, it's just one word Ohio and
then l ine. That's where our fact sheets show up.
(28:38):
And we do have a fact sheet on soul testing
for Horticultural Needs. And you and I talked about that before,
and that's SOL testing for Horticultural Needs. It's an updated version.
Why I said to ignore the back part of it
is that we well, maybe not actually we have a
list of soil testing labs there, but we chose labs
(29:00):
that were in and around Ohio. You can still use them,
you know, if you're in in Georgia or Alabama or
where you probably have labs closer hand. The point being
is read the first part of it, because we described
very clearly how to go about, you know, getting the samples,
why you should do it, and all that. And this
is the perfect time of the year to do it
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because you'll get your results back. Number One, if you're
thinking about planting, let's say, a tree or a shrub,
sit doing something like that in your landscaping, this can
help guide you on what type of plants might do
best I would predict, for example, someone soil testing here
in Greater Cincinnati, we probably would We probably would learn
(29:44):
we can't plant rhododendrons right well we might, well we could,
we could, but you're shoveling against the tide. You know,
That's how I worked at an I'm just going to
keep doing that. But but if you you know these
what's called airicacious plants, that's the family. They really like
acidic soils. And if you find your soil is basic,
(30:08):
is high in pH, then air cacious plants like rhododendrons
and azaleas may not do well. But you know, you
go down to South Carolina, right and there are you know,
azalie capital of the world. You can grow as, and
you'll find the soil down there is different. But we're
speaking in broad brushes because some soil test results within
(30:31):
our region can be slightly acidic ron And then you
know that always surprises me when that occurs, but that's
because we had glacial outwash, so we have a little
different soils and little different locations. However, as you and
I keep preaching, let the soil tests select your plants.
I'll just let that kind of fade away, and.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You can make your adjustments now. If you're doing something
for next spring, there's a lot of these things that
you need to make adjustments. You could be doing that
now and be ready to go next spring. Uh, based
on your soils. And again, I'm glad you brought up
the PAH thing because so many people think the soil
test looking for the np K, which you know, that's fine, uh,
(31:19):
and it's probably always going to be low and nitrogen,
don't you think in many cases. But but you know,
but the PA is so important and and a lot
of times they don't think about that pH and how
important role if that plays in our soils and the
plants that we choose, you know how you know, the
whole nine yards and it's uh. But again, soil testing,
(31:40):
we preach it, we preach it, we preach it, but
yet folks don't do it. But if the folks that
do do it are glad that they did it because
they learned a lot about the soil exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
And again, if you want to plant azelias and high
pH soils, you can do it. If you plan that
you're going to have to acidify the soil every year,
and which is okay too. If you know you need
to do it. But yeah, you know ahead of time,
you know your work's gonna be cut out for you.
But we do have some beautiful as elias in Greater
Cincinnati where people do that. You know, I should, I
(32:13):
should stress that, But good time a year to make
that part of your planning. And then after the break,
which I have the feeling is coming up, we're gonna
be talking about one of our one of our favorite insects,
and it has been with us all season. Basically you
have them hanging out around Yeah, I think next to
your porch or next to your steps, probably so, probably so.
(32:36):
So we're going to head into the pits.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
All right, Oh sounds good. We'll leave you with that.
One 'll roll tide and take a break, and then
we come back. We'll talk more about what's in those
pits with Buggy Joe Boggs. Here in the garden with
Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (34:31):
Welcome back to time for part three. Yes, you missed
the first two parts. It's part three of the Buggers,
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We're gonna find out what's in those pits. But before
we find out what's in those pits, you know, I
don't know. I know you didn't catch this earlier on
our show because you just got up about twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
But talking about I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Know you're stilling. I tellyboy that he's doing that late
in bed.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I hope you know that I am. I'm just lounging around.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I get it. All the research coming out today and
just some more that just came out. Why you and
I are so healthy because kids would get to play
in the dirt and mud and garden and the grass
in the whole nine yards. The microbial activity that they
get on their skin and then their microorganisms and their
gut from doing that makes them a lot healthier and
(35:23):
of course mind you know, psychological well being as well,
and just how important it is to let kids get
dirty in the yard and garden.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Eat a little dirt. True, come mom and grandma say,
eat a little dirt.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, there was a reason for that.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Mud pies were literal right. Oh, absolutely, it is true.
It is a very interesting thing when you look at that. Yes,
you know, we want to protect our children. You know,
we went through that. I mean, maybe we protected our
children a little more than we were protected. I think
that happens with these generations. However, however, you know, when
(36:06):
we look now at at some of the things that
are all that also come out about about different microbes,
different things that can be out there in the soil,
and every once in a while there's a story that
pops up about, you know, something to do with mults,
or maybe you can be you know, stabbed by you know,
a rose thorn and have a bad infection. All those
(36:27):
things can happen. I mean, it's just the fact is
we share the planet with a lot of micro organisms
that kind of don't have our best interests in mind
all the time. But on the other hand, exposure to
some of those, just like getting an inoculation, you know,
I've I'm waiting, I'm gonna have to get my flu
vaccine here shortly, can protect us against you know, becoming ill.
(36:49):
It works the same way. It works exactly the same
way that exposure. So yeah, that's that's kind of interesting.
That is something that I even remember back, you know,
when my children were playing outside and every so often,
you know, Katelyn would come up and oh, gosh sake,
she's all dirty, you know, the kind of well we
(37:12):
better clean her up, you know, a little bit of
a panic. Well, you and I probably ran around looking
that way, you know, looking for Sunday started licking her arms.
Oh my gosh, I tell you, we would just get
out the washcloth, right, you know, I don't know why.
Well at least she at least she never fell into
(37:33):
the pits that were.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I didn't mean to get us off like that, but yeah,
So so what are these pets that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, you know it started with with we talked about
this earlier in the season and and you have these
uh well they're next to your deck is that back
steps in front door? Next to the front door. So
while we're talking about are what are commonly called ant lions,
and the and the name is because they feed on ants.
(38:05):
They feed on a lot of other different insects. But
the way they do it is they make these conical
pits in the soil. And of course they're pit traps actually,
So picture in your mind, and I'm actually going to
do even though it's picture in your mind the pit
of doom. I'm sorry you got me started there. I
(38:27):
don't know where that came from. At the bottom of
these pits, their arrests a single insect and if you
look closely, if you look down in there, and and
sometimes you might want to consider shining a flashlight down there,
because again you can have shadows. These are these are
a conical pit in the dry soil, and that's important.
(38:51):
You may see these two structures that look like sickles,
look like grass sharing, you know, the sickles that we
would i grass with. There are two of them, and
they're opposite of each other, and they're they're open. You
have to look closely to see this. Well, that is
the business end. You see them, Oh yeah, yeah, they are.
(39:14):
They're exposed. It's and the first time I ever saw it.
It's like I can't. Yeah, the rest of the insect
is off to one side, buried. But that's the business end.
Those are the mandibles and they they are depending on
the species they're they either have a groove to the
inside or they are hollow. So now let's go back
(39:35):
and kind of step wise progression. How'd you like that?
Then stepping into a pit. Let's say you're a little ant,
you're crawl along, you fall into this pit. Well, you know,
ants probably fall off into things all the time, except
in this case it's lined with loose soil. Because ant
lions love to make their pits in dry soil. It's
(39:55):
not just to keep themselves alive by not being flooded,
it's so that dry soil can be formed into a pit.
This insect is one of the very few insects. In fact,
we were talking about eye and another nimology were talking
about this last week. I think maybe it's the only
group of insects that can only walk backwards. They can't
(40:17):
walk forwards. And so what they do in this loose
soil is they go backwards and they spiral and they
just keep spiraling and spiraling until they're spiraling down because
as they're moving backwards, they're flipping soil out. So they
construct these pits. They do it at night and pretty quickly.
(40:39):
When you watch them, it's amazing how fast they get
this done. So at the bottom of the pit, once
they construct their pit, they are they're waiting there if
their mandibles open, and the ant comes along stumbles in
as it tries to climb out of the pit. Of course,
it's trying to climb against loose soil particles. And if
that doesn't work, if they don't fall in and get
(41:00):
grabbed by these mandibles, the ant lion starts using its
head and it actually starts flipping dirt soil at its victim.
I'm sorry for laughing. That's not awful, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, Well, eventually, you know, as soon as that ant
gets down to the bottom and the sickle shaped mandibles
close on it, and then the antline injects a little
bit of saliva that has digestive enzymes, and it does
all the inside of the insect, and then they have
an insect slurpey. Now, if you look closely, yes, if
(41:33):
you look closely around the edge of these pits, you'll
see dehydrated looking you know, just kind of you know,
just discarded past victims. So they're very entertaining. If you
see them, don't destroy them. They're doing a good thing.
And we finally got to talk about ant lions before
the end of the program.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
By the way, I'm going to tell everybody on Joe Boggs.
He used to do that. He used to do in
his house ant lions on top of an ant farm
and let the ants fall into the antlions for entertainment
for his kids.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It was called the anti ant farm, Anti.
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Eight one hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That is our number. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy talking about yarding. I want to
thank Jeff peep Will again from worm Gannis talking to
us this morning about earthworm castings or warm poop and
interesting process and of course you know verma composting, you
(00:57):
can do that yourself. As a matter of fact, we
talk about getting kids involved with gardening. Uh you know
those verma composting kits, those towers can be you know,
you can buy those things for you know, ninety bucks,
hundred bucks and do your get your red wigglers and
do your own composting, make your own compost t earthworm
tea as well if you want to give that a
(01:19):
try and learn that process and then multiply that by
about a million. And that's what they do at Wormville.
Uh man, I just can't imagine. So I'm on it.
That's on my bucket list to go visit them. I
told Jeff I want to come and visit that. That's
sometimes just to see all the earthworms and how they
process that and interesting enough. You know what he said was,
(01:40):
you know when you smell it, there's no smell to it,
and there really isn't. It's kind of an earthy smell,
but not much of a smell to it at all.
So if you do verma composting in your home, remember that,
you know, that's the same way. It's really you don't
get a whole lot of smell out of if you're
doing it right. Shouldn't be a you know, you do
it right in the house, so it can be a
lot of fun. So another one of those great ways
(02:01):
to get kids involved with gardening. But if you don't
and you want to use more worm castings and your
potting soils and things like that, look for theirs worm
Ganic worm castings and learn more about them at wormville
dot com. A great story and it tells you all
about how they do it in the whole nine yards.
I think it's a lot of fun. Anyway, real quick,
(02:23):
before we go back to the gardening phone lines, we
were talking about somebody we're talking to young lady up
in Marion talking about planningozarborviety and then watering. How important
it is to water these evergreens going through the fall season.
And she was talking about using a soaker hose and
you know, socer hoses are great for the right project,
(02:44):
but that's not one of them. And socer hoses are
much better used when you're soak soaking annual beds, maybe
perennial beds, vegetable gardens, and you'll leave them turned on
for a long time to make sure they soak into
the ground, or watering newly planted trees and shrubs. You've
got to leave those things on almost all the time
(03:06):
to do what you're trying to achieve. As far as watering,
I don't recommend them for that. And I've seen too
many plants that have been lost where we've snaked that
soaker hose around those in that row of arbravity and
it just doesn't provide the water that you need. If
you're using a soaker hose, just turn it on sometime,
come back in two hours and see how much water
(03:28):
you did not get into the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Again, I think there's the right areas to use soaker hoses,
But when it comes to the landscape like that, especially
with newly planted trees and shrubs, the arborvity, the evergreens,
I don't think that's your answer. I think you're gonna
want to do individual hand watering, soaking each plant, tree huggers,
tree sprinklers, tree huggers that go around at stationary sprinklers,
(03:54):
anything like that to really soak them in. Well, all right,
so do keep that in mind. All right, back to
the gardening phone lines, we shall go. Unless you got
Ray and Cincinnatiray.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Good morning, Ron.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
How are you great yourself?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Very good? So I really have three questions, if you
don't mind, Okay. The first one, I want to plant
some groundcover. And I did some research and I came
up with vinca minor I guess you'd call it perrywinkle
or creepy myrtle. And I found a fellow on Amazon
who's selling about two hundred plants bear root, very reasonably priced.
(04:36):
My question is, can I plan a bear root plant
like that at this time of year October, and I'm
a little north of you in Butler County?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I would?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You would not?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I would?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The only way I would do that as a matter
of fact, of all the things that we wouldn't plant
this time of the year, or you start to be
a little bit more cautious, would be like a groundcover
that's in a smaller pot. You know that's maybe a
three inch pot or bear root, because they're not they're
going to start to root in a little bit. But
there's a real good chance that may freeze and thaw
and heave out of the ground. So I would probably
be hesitanting now to pot them up and you know,
(05:14):
over winter mint a garage or something like that, that
would be a different story. But no, I would not
do that this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, all right. My second question is about printing butterfly bushes.
Can I cut a butterfly bush back pretty severely at
this time of year or should I wait till like
March or you know, you can What do you recommend
as far as printing them?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Sure, you can prune butterfly bush either way. You can
cut it back in the fall, cut it back in
the spring. I typically like to just kind of take
them back a little bit over the you know, going
into the winter, but I leave most of the plant
there and you're going to get some winter die back,
and so in the springtime then you can see what's good,
what's bad, and then cut it back or cut it
(06:00):
back totally. I think it helps with the heartiness of
the butterfly bush. If you leave some of those branches
on there over the winter time, so don't take it
back really hard if you do cut it in the fall,
but you know, and then do your major prune and
your major cutback in the springtime.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, like maybe half or something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh yeah, yea. Sometimes you take yeah half now or
third now and in the springtime. I mean we've even
taken those back to the ground in the springtime and
flush them back up from the root system.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, they really grow. And the third question, I have
a hydrange of tree that's bloomed beautifully all summer and
is now going to seed. Should I snip off the
seed pods or just let them go and and maybe
clean it up later.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Again, you got two options. I would leave it on
there for a while. Yet I like to get rid
of those because of the reason being in the fall
is that if you get a lot of snow or
icy conditions and that builds up on those flower buds,
it can bend those over and cause those to snap.
That would that would be the reason I would take
them off going into the winter. Now, some people will
(07:08):
leave them on and use them for you know, for
the winter show. But you do take that risk. You
could always go through at that time and cut them
off if that's the problem and get rid of them.
But I personally will deadhead those late, you know, mid
to late fall, and then do the final final pr
yeah yeah, and still enjoy them because they still look good.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I just wanted to know when to do it. All right,
very good as always your helpful and I love your show,
and thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All right, Ray, good talking to you. Appreciate the call.
Annie in Westchester, good morning, Good.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Morning, Ron. I have questions about growing some of these
interesting new varieties of pumpkins that you're seeing everywhere. We
bought quite a few up at Iron, just fruit form
for decorations. My grandson, my four year old, wants to
grow some next year. Can I take seeds from those plants?
(08:08):
Will I get the same pumpkin.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Or not necessarily?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And it's kind of what I thought.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, sometimes you can get some a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Every year we put pie pumpkins out to decorate in
front of our houses, the smaller pie pumpkins that are
like five six inches in diameter, and the squirrels inevitably
will eat holes in them and then scatter the seeds,
and we always get a couple of volunteer plants here
and there, and we've always let one or two of
those groages to see and unfortunately we've gotten pie pumpkins.
(08:37):
But they can be sometimes they're a little larger or
a little smaller, you know, so they can cross pollinate
and sometimes get something a little different. But you know,
it's worth saving the seed and giving it a try
anyway to see what you get. So would I do
that absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Okay, I did get a volunteer pumpkin this year, which
is where this whole interest started. I neglected to pull
my out of my flower bed and it kind of
rotted down in and then got mulched over and grew
a pumpkin. Yes, it was very fun for the kids.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh, it's you know, it's a great it's a great
educational tool, it really is. You know, to see the
male flowers, female flowers, watch the pumpkins get you know,
form and to grow on there. And then it's amazing
what little care they need to grow the small pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah. Yeah, mine mine for some reason, the I think
bugs got to it. The plant died out late July,
but I still had a pumpkin big enough that I
could keep in the basement until now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, okay, well, what's the Just put the seeds on
paper and let them dry off.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, them an envelope. Yeah, once you have them out,
just to put them on paper towels or whatever. Let
let them dry and then put them in a paper envelope.
As a matter of fact, if you put them on
paper towels and kind of stick on to that, you
can just roll that paper towel up and put it
in an envelope or whatever, and then in the springtime
just pull them off the paper towel. It makes it
really easy for you. It's like a you know, they're
(10:06):
just stuck to it, and then start start them inside
or direct so either way.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Okay, if we're direct sewing, would it be just after frost.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Nope, temperature's got to get up to about sixty five
seventy degrees in that soil temperature. Okay, don't be too early,
too anxious to plant those in the ground.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's probably why the other plant didn't last very long
because it was coming up quite early.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, you want to you want them to come up,
you know, as a matter of fact, some of the
pumping grows won't do anything until they get to about
the first of June or so and then start planting
at that point. So keep that in mind real quick.
Kevin O'Dell, good morning, Good.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Morning, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
How are you.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I am absolutely beautiful and beautiful sunrise this morning. I
saw some there dater on that brought me back to
the appreciation that you and I have for a plant.
Now we have a tree eadium size ornamental tree that's glowing,
glowing with pink right now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And podium.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
There you go it seven sunflower.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I have one in my back garden.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And I was gone for a while, came back and
this just glowing.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Thinks.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I went by a project the other day where you
use three of the larger growing varieties on an entryway
to a property. I came around the bend and those
things just popped. And I thought, you know, everybody wants
to pink dog with, everybody wants to pink crab, apple
and this and that. But what a replacement for those plants,
(11:41):
you know, the multi stems, the foliating carts. I thought,
what a fall showed that I'm gone for a few.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Weeks probably, and think how long the white flowers lasted.
First of all, you know, in the summer, late summer,
I had all that and then those kind of disappeared,
and all a sudden boom, you're back into business again
with these Pinky's red bracts. You know, the sea's coming
on there is phenomenal. But again seven seven sunflowers, the
(12:08):
common name hepticodium may be hard for you to find
out there, but it is if you find one, is spectacular.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
And it's a wonderful, wonderful pollinator. I've been down to
the nursery af somebody just left real big and they're
absolutely amazing with the number of pollinators that are on
those plants. So it's our it's our Sason plant that
we love so much.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell. Always a pleasure you too, sir,
all I take care. Coming up next, guess what you get?
Three segments of Buggy Joe Boggs Here in the garden. Yeah,
here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
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Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Rahmin Wilson and
as I promised, believe it or not, we have three
segments of the Buggy, Joe Box and Purpose and Joe Boggs.
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d U, Ladies and gentlemen, Buggy Joe Ball.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Are you awake, I'm awake. I'm although well, you know,
the sun isn't quite up. I don't know what is
going on there. I mean, I Kevin was saying, a
beautiful sunrise. I'm thinking, I'll wait a minute, where.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What tree standing is Kevin in this morning that he's
seeing that earth sun come up already?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, I'll tell you I think I think he picked
one of the better, one of the best. You guys
were talking about one of the best trees, and I
I kind of question mark that at the end because
it's a it's not a big tree. No, you know,
it's not going to be like an oak. But my goodness,
he's right about the pollinators. Sometimes it gets dangerous under.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Those I started to say, you know, and I were
running out of time because I was going to say
you should see Joe Boggs when he's standing around his
seven sunflower. He's in seventh Heaven with all those bugs
flying around everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, well that's why the danger, isn't I said that wrong?
So I'm sure some of the listeners thought, well, wait
a minute, I don't want a tree. You know, it's
going to bring in a lot of insects. Maybe bring
exactly that's the danger right there. And and other entomologists
just tripping over themselves. I mean, goodness, that's that's the
problem there.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You know, you you had the ant farm when you
were growing up, and of course with your kids as well.
Did you ever do verma composting?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
No? I did. I really didn't. Oh well, you know,
I take it back, I didn't. I didn't realize that,
you know, growing up. You know again where you you
know you you grew up in Appleach. I did too,
in West Virginia that you know, our trash pal was
really verma culturing. We there you go with that. When
(17:38):
we didn't have hogs to feed the leftover vegetables, you know,
then you know when we when we put them out
there in the pile, that's uh, that's where we did
get fish fishing worms. I mean, I'm actually I'm actually serious.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
About that now I come to think of it, Well,
Tony Tony Bender was talking the other day about fishing.
He said, you know what I used to when I
was a kid. I could go somewhere like a dig
in our backyard, get through four nightcrawlers, get them out
there and go fishing. He said, I couldn't find those
a day in my yard whatsoever. And I said, well,
it's a little bit different. I said. You try a
compost pile or throwing a few vegetables out in the
corner of the yard for a couple, you know, a
couple of months, go out there and do that, and
(18:13):
then you're going to find some worms underneath there.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You know it is. You bring up a good point.
How easy it is, you know, just to I'm trying
to say this kindly, but our memories can become a
little bit more positive than they were at the time sometimes.
But be that as it may. There are some differences.
(18:38):
And you and I have talked about this fraud. A
lot of the homes that you that we you know,
that we grew up in, and many people grew up in,
those are houses that were not built in a development.
They were built in a place where basically the only
disturbance of the soil happened at where the house sets right,
and so a lot of the I'm interrupting just to
(19:01):
kind of give an example. One of the roads that
goes past our development, and I live in a development.
There are quite a few homes that I actually looked
into some of the property histories and built in the
nineteen seventies, ranch style homes, nineteen seventies, sixties some of them.
(19:24):
And when our lawn was going brown here over the
last month because of the drought, those lawns were remaining
green and last year, and I talked about exactly the
same thing. Now, it got a little bit worse last year,
and I'm kind of overstating it, but the point being
is that the grass did not go dormant as quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Oh, and I reminded him
that break, his soil was probably out of his basement.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So we'll talk more exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We'll talk more about that after the break with Buggy
Joe Boggs. Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Non
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of three parts of the Well You
Joe Bobbs, Joe Boggs as your extension B White Easy
by G. L. Dot O s U dot.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
E d U.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And I did remind Tony Bender that the probably the
soil in his backyard was from his basement.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's it is, you know, I had been this first say,
but that first segment kind of went a little fast,
isn't it. I'm poor Gary, I mean, I tell you,
And I was already to start talking about paint and
everything call king and everything else.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But yeah, but you're you do that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I do paint. I just well I read about it ron. Yeah,
I mean I'm an expert, you know, from the uh
the book perspective. But back to the soil. You know,
I used to go dig earthworms everywhere, right, I mean
you could just find them anywhere you are. And the
first thing that we have to keep in mind, though,
(22:54):
is that we have had some changes in our earthworms.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
We've had earth worms that are mostly from Asia that
have been accidentally introduced. They're much more aggressive. You and
I talked about it before, a lot of different names,
you know, crazy worms, I forget the other jumping worms,
and so you know that's part of it. But we
(23:19):
kind of have to remember that a lot of our
major earthworms in the United States, particularly here in the
North part of the United States, are non natives as well,
because the glaciers wiped out, you know, the earth worms.
The point being though, is that is that you know,
when you and I were growing up, most of the
soil around the holmes had not been heavily disturbed moved
(23:41):
around like you said the basement. You know, soil spread
in the front yard or the backyard, and so you
had a high organic batter and it was easy to
find much easier to find earth worms because that's what
they eat. And of course you had to go out
with somebody with a car battery hooked up to two
electrodes that they can stick into the ground. Right. I
(24:07):
that was magical. When I first saw that, I thought, man,
this is this is this is magical. And and it
also disclosed something else, and that was that, you know,
hand digging wasn't so easy so as to find earthworms.
That wasn't the best way to do it. So as you,
(24:27):
as you advise, just pile up some you know, leftover
vegetable scraps, things like that. Be careful piling up such
things as grass clippings, because you can really you can
you know they can compact down to the point where
you get what we call anaerobic decomposition. Then you get
a big stinky thing, and even earthworms won't go into that, right.
(24:50):
But but you know, a compost pile, and I like
I like seeing compost bins, you know that are maintained
or even you know the the I forget the name
of them, you know, the the above ground. They look
like a cement mixer. Just compost tumbler, tumbler, Thank you,
thank you. More coffee is in the future for me,
(25:11):
is all I can say. But but I love seeing those.
They look very neat, and they should. But you know,
just just in the back corner of your property or whatever,
if you have a place to just pile up organic matter,
turn it occasionally. But if you're a fisherman, that's where
you're going to get the earthworms.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's why I told him, I said, you start a
little compost pile in the back corner of your property.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He said. The problem is he doesn't fish anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
There still start a compost pile.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's still a good thing to do. It's still but
beyond that, you know, you know, I've talked about soils before.
I mean, it's the foundation upon which we build plants,
and it is amazing. And you know, I talked about
soul testing, but you know, it is amazing how easy
it is to forget about the importance of soil myself included. Ron.
(26:09):
I'm saying that very fast because even though you and
I talk about all the time, how often, you know,
do we start on a you know, a diagnostic conversation
where we're above ground when we should be thinking below ground.
I mean, it's I just did that the other day
(26:29):
and it just occurred to me. You know, I can't
believe I didn't, I didn't think about that part that
we cannot see that it is so important. So we're
going into the fall and we're making plans for next
year soil test that should be done right now, that
should be done. You know, as you're wrapping things up,
don't you know, don't migrate to the couch to watch
(26:52):
Ohio State win in other games?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well maybe today you want to set Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
All right, that's true. That that's true. Okay, go out
this afternoon when the lesser teams are playing.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
There you go, there, you go, Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That's right. When when does the when does the tide
come out? Roll out? I mean, I'm not sure when
they roll out.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
This that's when you can work in the yard, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
That's when you go out because you know you've just
you've seen the best place.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's right. That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Harold's probably looking for the phone right now.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right, he's laughing, probably spin his coffee out.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But you know, it is the perfect time of the
year to soil test if you depends on what state
you're in, you know, they're I just realized that didn't
come out by right, what.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
State you're in, what state you live in? Well, no,
that doesn't work either.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, that's right, that's right. And and for those who
haven't had all their coffee yet, I mean a I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The geographic region, live in.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
The geographic region. I like that. Then that will influence
a bit on how you may go about soul testing.
In some cases, you know, the extension office can be
very directly involved. We're not in Ohio other than providing
you with help. And you can get kits soil testing kits,
for example, at the Franklin County Extension Office, but not
(28:18):
every extension office has that But the point being is
if you go actually for anyone its just ignore the
last part of it. But if you go to a
website called Ohio Line, it's just one word Ohio and
then l ine. That's where our fact sheets show up.
(28:38):
And we do have a fact sheet on soul testing
for Horticultural Needs. And you and I talked about that before,
and that's SOL testing for Horticultural Needs. It's an updated version.
Why I said to ignore the back part of it
is that we well, maybe not actually we have a
list of soil testing labs there, but we chose labs
(29:00):
that were in and around Ohio. You can still use them,
you know, if you're in in Georgia or Alabama or
where you probably have labs closer hand. The point being
is read the first part of it, because we described
very clearly how to go about, you know, getting the samples,
why you should do it, and all that. And this
is the perfect time of the year to do it
(29:21):
because you'll get your results back. Number One, if you're
thinking about planting, let's say, a tree or a shrub,
sit doing something like that in your landscaping, this can
help guide you on what type of plants might do
best I would predict, for example, someone soil testing here
in Greater Cincinnati, we probably would We probably would learn
(29:44):
we can't plant rhododendrons right well we might, well we could,
we could, but you're shoveling against the tide. You know,
That's how I worked at an I'm just going to
keep doing that. But but if you you know these
what's called airicacious plants, that's the family. They really like
acidic soils. And if you find your soil is basic,
(30:08):
is high in pH, then air cacious plants like rhododendrons
and azaleas may not do well. But you know, you
go down to South Carolina, right and there are you know,
azalie capital of the world. You can grow as, and
you'll find the soil down there is different. But we're
speaking in broad brushes because some soil test results within
(30:31):
our region can be slightly acidic ron And then you
know that always surprises me when that occurs, but that's
because we had glacial outwash, so we have a little
different soils and little different locations. However, as you and
I keep preaching, let the soil tests select your plants.
I'll just let that kind of fade away, and.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You can make your adjustments now. If you're doing something
for next spring, there's a lot of these things that
you need to make adjustments. You could be doing that
now and be ready to go next spring. Uh, based
on your soils. And again, I'm glad you brought up
the PAH thing because so many people think the soil
test looking for the np K, which you know, that's fine, uh,
(31:19):
and it's probably always going to be low and nitrogen,
don't you think in many cases. But but you know,
but the PA is so important and and a lot
of times they don't think about that pH and how
important role if that plays in our soils and the
plants that we choose, you know how you know, the
whole nine yards and it's uh. But again, soil testing,
(31:40):
we preach it, we preach it, we preach it, but
yet folks don't do it. But if the folks that
do do it are glad that they did it because
they learned a lot about the soil exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
And again, if you want to plant azelias and high
pH soils, you can do it. If you plan that
you're going to have to acidify the soil every year,
and which is okay too. If you know you need
to do it. But yeah, you know ahead of time,
you know your work's gonna be cut out for you.
But we do have some beautiful as elias in Greater
Cincinnati where people do that. You know, I should, I
(32:13):
should stress that, But good time a year to make
that part of your planning. And then after the break,
which I have the feeling is coming up, we're gonna
be talking about one of our one of our favorite insects,
and it has been with us all season. Basically you
have them hanging out around Yeah, I think next to
your porch or next to your steps, probably so, probably so.
(32:36):
So we're going to head into the pits.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
All right, Oh sounds good. We'll leave you with that.
One 'll roll tide and take a break, and then
we come back. We'll talk more about what's in those
pits with Buggy Joe Boggs. Here in the garden with
Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (34:31):
Welcome back to time for part three. Yes, you missed
the first two parts. It's part three of the Buggers,
Joe Bogs and Port Joe Boggs. O is your extension
p y G L dot O SU dot E EDU.
We're gonna find out what's in those pits. But before
we find out what's in those pits, you know, I
don't know. I know you didn't catch this earlier on
our show because you just got up about twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
But talking about I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Know you're stilling. I tellyboy that he's doing that late
in bed.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I hope you know that I am. I'm just lounging around.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I get it. All the research coming out today and
just some more that just came out. Why you and
I are so healthy because kids would get to play
in the dirt and mud and garden and the grass
in the whole nine yards. The microbial activity that they
get on their skin and then their microorganisms and their
gut from doing that makes them a lot healthier and
(35:23):
of course mind you know, psychological well being as well,
and just how important it is to let kids get
dirty in the yard and garden.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Eat a little dirt. True, come mom and grandma say,
eat a little dirt.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, there was a reason for that.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Mud pies were literal right. Oh, absolutely, it is true.
It is a very interesting thing when you look at that. Yes,
you know, we want to protect our children. You know,
we went through that. I mean, maybe we protected our
children a little more than we were protected. I think
that happens with these generations. However, however, you know, when
(36:06):
we look now at at some of the things that
are all that also come out about about different microbes,
different things that can be out there in the soil,
and every once in a while there's a story that
pops up about, you know, something to do with mults,
or maybe you can be you know, stabbed by you know,
a rose thorn and have a bad infection. All those
(36:27):
things can happen. I mean, it's just the fact is
we share the planet with a lot of micro organisms
that kind of don't have our best interests in mind
all the time. But on the other hand, exposure to
some of those, just like getting an inoculation, you know,
I've I'm waiting, I'm gonna have to get my flu
vaccine here shortly, can protect us against you know, becoming ill.
(36:49):
It works the same way. It works exactly the same
way that exposure. So yeah, that's that's kind of interesting.
That is something that I even remember back, you know,
when my children were playing outside and every so often,
you know, Katelyn would come up and oh, gosh sake,
she's all dirty, you know, the kind of well we
(37:12):
better clean her up, you know, a little bit of
a panic. Well, you and I probably ran around looking
that way, you know, looking for Sunday started licking her arms.
Oh my gosh, I tell you, we would just get
out the washcloth, right, you know, I don't know why.
Well at least she at least she never fell into
(37:33):
the pits that were.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I didn't mean to get us off like that, but yeah,
So so what are these pets that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, you know it started with with we talked about
this earlier in the season and and you have these
uh well they're next to your deck is that back
steps in front door? Next to the front door. So
while we're talking about are what are commonly called ant lions,
and the and the name is because they feed on ants.
(38:05):
They feed on a lot of other different insects. But
the way they do it is they make these conical
pits in the soil. And of course they're pit traps actually,
So picture in your mind, and I'm actually going to
do even though it's picture in your mind the pit
of doom. I'm sorry you got me started there. I
(38:27):
don't know where that came from. At the bottom of
these pits, their arrests a single insect and if you
look closely, if you look down in there, and and
sometimes you might want to consider shining a flashlight down there,
because again you can have shadows. These are these are
a conical pit in the dry soil, and that's important.
(38:51):
You may see these two structures that look like sickles,
look like grass sharing, you know, the sickles that we
would i grass with. There are two of them, and
they're opposite of each other, and they're they're open. You
have to look closely to see this. Well, that is
the business end. You see them, Oh yeah, yeah, they are.
(39:14):
They're exposed. It's and the first time I ever saw it.
It's like I can't. Yeah, the rest of the insect
is off to one side, buried. But that's the business end.
Those are the mandibles and they they are depending on
the species they're they either have a groove to the
inside or they are hollow. So now let's go back
(39:35):
and kind of step wise progression. How'd you like that?
Then stepping into a pit. Let's say you're a little ant,
you're crawl along, you fall into this pit. Well, you know,
ants probably fall off into things all the time, except
in this case it's lined with loose soil. Because ant
lions love to make their pits in dry soil. It's
(39:55):
not just to keep themselves alive by not being flooded,
it's so that dry soil can be formed into a pit.
This insect is one of the very few insects. In fact,
we were talking about eye and another nimology were talking
about this last week. I think maybe it's the only
group of insects that can only walk backwards. They can't
(40:17):
walk forwards. And so what they do in this loose
soil is they go backwards and they spiral and they
just keep spiraling and spiraling until they're spiraling down because
as they're moving backwards, they're flipping soil out. So they
construct these pits. They do it at night and pretty quickly.
(40:39):
When you watch them, it's amazing how fast they get
this done. So at the bottom of the pit, once
they construct their pit, they are they're waiting there if
their mandibles open, and the ant comes along stumbles in
as it tries to climb out of the pit. Of course,
it's trying to climb against loose soil particles. And if
that doesn't work, if they don't fall in and get
(41:00):
grabbed by these mandibles, the ant lion starts using its
head and it actually starts flipping dirt soil at its victim.
I'm sorry for laughing. That's not awful, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, Well, eventually, you know, as soon as that ant
gets down to the bottom and the sickle shaped mandibles
close on it, and then the antline injects a little
bit of saliva that has digestive enzymes, and it does
all the inside of the insect, and then they have
an insect slurpey. Now, if you look closely, yes, if
(41:33):
you look closely around the edge of these pits, you'll
see dehydrated looking you know, just kind of you know,
just discarded past victims. So they're very entertaining. If you
see them, don't destroy them. They're doing a good thing.
And we finally got to talk about ant lions before
the end of the program.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
By the way, I'm going to tell everybody on Joe Boggs.
He used to do that. He used to do in
his house ant lions on top of an ant farm
and let the ants fall into the antlions for entertainment
for his kids.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It was called the anti ant farm, Anti.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Ant farm at Buggy Joe Boggs. Joe Boggs, always a
pleasure of great information. Appreciate you spending time with us,
and go bucks.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
You go Bocks and you have a great week.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
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all our cars, thanks to our sponsors, Thanks to Danny
leest our producer, because without Danny Gleeson, none of the
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data plants, pamper your worms, get the kids and dogs
of all with gardening, and make it the best weekend
of your life.
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