October 18, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning, I am Ron Wilson. You're
personally yard boy talking about yard ning, moving our way
through the month of October. By the way, don't forget
our websites, Ron Wilson online dot com, Facebook page. In
the Garden with Ron Wilson. readA is making a salad
this week. Check out her recipe. Our plan of the week,
A deciduous holly with the beautiful berries that you might
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want to incorporate into screen plantings or border plantings, something
like that. But the beautiful berries this time of the year,
throughout the fall and into the winter season great for
holiday planters, and the birds love them as well. A
couple posts from Buggy Joe Boggs beach blight, aphids and
the ant lions roar again, so be sure and check
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those out as well, and scroll down you find some
of our past postings on there too. So again it's
at Ron Wilson online dot com. This week's show, we're
trying to help you out, save you a little bit
on that back and that hard labor. We learn more
and more all the time from my good buddy at home,
Improven expert Gary Sullivan about it's all about easy and
you know, work smarter, not harder. So you know, anytime
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we can find the tools and things and processes to
make it easier for all of us in the garden,
we'll try to share that with you. And I'm still
telling you a soil knife. You gotta have a soil knife.
It comes in so handy and you can go to
there's many of them out there. You can google soil knife.
I'll take you to many locations to find them. I
like the ones from am Leinard. Their retail catalog is
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Gardener's Edge, but I like that one. I don't think
you can break that particular soil knife. It's outstanding. Great
Christmas present as well when it comes to planting, especially
if you're doing any Stintson planting, doing all those spring
flowering bulbs this time of the year, annuals in the spring,
anything planting that you know, you know, you just don't
have the strength with a shovel or to bend over
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all the time. Power planners they do it. Outstanding job.
And when you buy one these augers they last forever.
I mean they do. And you put them on your
drill and you're good to go. Powerplanter dot com. We
thank Greg Neewell for joining us for that one. And
of course, mister garlic, if you're not growing garlic, whether
it's in a container, raised bed in the ground, you
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should be. You know how good it is for you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And the mister Neil Bevla Aqua, of course, mister garlic expert.
And of course he has the Earthlifter tool, which again
talk about making it easy for you gardening for like
breaking up the soil, harvesting root crops, so many things
you can use the Earthlifter tool for is phenomenal. But
you can learn more about the garlic and all that
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at earthlifter dot com. And some of the things that
he was getting too much. He uses a lot of
mushroom compost activated biochar. He likes that in his beds
for garlic. And he said as he mentioned, he likes
he thinks garlic loves seafood and he uses kelp and
seaweed and composts of shells of lobsters and crabs, anything
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receive source a matter of fact, the liquid fish emulsion possibly,
and you know we've talked about Coast of Maine potting soils,
raised bedmixes. They do a great job as composted. It's
a combination of composts, lobster, crab and shell meal, kelp meal,
worm castings, micro riseing, all the stuff that he likes
that make he thinks makes garlic the best. And again
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that's the Coast of Maine potting and you'll find that
at your locally owned independent garden centers as well. But
again you can learn more about it at their website
is earthlifter dot com. So be sure and check all
those out to make your gardening a little bit easier
and make you a little bit healthier when you harvest
your own grown garlic next summer. The Cincinnati we go John, Good, morning, morning.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
How you doing good?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
John? Yourself?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Good? What can we do for you?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I got a couple of questions. I guess I'm in
the process of kind of raising some of my yard.
I guess raising it up and stuff. I've been doing
it from a friendly tree guy that has been doing
tree shreddings, and I've been getting getting all of those delivered,
and I've been moving around and stuff. And I guess
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my question is how long after I put those in
do I need to wait before I can actually put
a tree or do any plannings.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And in the wood chips, the fresh wood chips.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean year to year. You know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The thing of it is with fresh I don't use
an example of when when you grind out a stump,
all right, a wood stump, and they come in and
they grind all that out and that gets mixed. Those
chips get mixed in with the soil. And as those
chips get mixed in with the soil, they'll probably get
into when you go back to try to replant. If
you don't get all of those chips out of there
is the fact that as they break down, there are
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a tremendous sponge for taking nutrients out of the soil
and it takes it away from the plant. So you
have a hard time getting a new plant to grow,
having grass to grow, whatever, unless you can get the
chips out. Now, the fresh chips are great as a
top dressing, all right, but it's not as a soil amendment.
So composting wise, six months to a year of composting
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really gets you past that sponge level of absorbing all
those nutrients. And the more you compost it's the better
you off you are, so I would say at least
a year or so. Where you go in there and
you turn that over, it's hard to tell that it
was wood chips anymore, that it's you know, actual soil.
And I'll tell you what I would also be doing
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in those areas, John is adding, throw fertilizer in there,
throw commoneure in there, throw chicken manure in with that
stuff as it's composting. Uh, you know, things like that
that you can add to it to help speed up
the process and to help supply nutrients to speed up
the decomposing process. I'd say, you know, again, I'd have
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to kind of watch it and see how fast it decomposes,
but maybe minimum of six to eight months, but maybe
a year.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And on top of that, I guess so if I
if I kind of make the burn and then put
dirt behind it, that would be fine, and that the bill,
and then put the trees into the dirt versus the chips.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yep. Absolutely, And again feel free to use the chips
for the top dressing, but don't use them as a
soil amendment unless they've been composted.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And how how big of those dirt areas do you need?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I guess is my question.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
As much as you can give it, I mean, are
you really And I know that's very vague, but you know,
as much soil as you can give around it, the
better off you're going to be. And I think the
thing remember too, is as you're putting that soil around there,
make sure that you try to walk it in and
water it in so it's settling and compact, you know,
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not getting compacted, but settling down because it will settle
over time. And you've got to make sure because you
don't want to have to come back in and fill
that back up again. So you know, again, as much
as much of an area as you can take with
the top soil or the new soil you bring in,
the more the better. That's all I guess I can
say is the more the better.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, And I'm trying to do some uh green giants,
but I have a try and do some screaming and stuff.
But I have a a probably a thirty year old
pine tree. I'm trying to think the brand of it
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through fine needles on it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
White pine probably Yeah, yeah, that's probably it.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
How close can I plant to that without that that
taking all the water?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, you know, you're know what I mean, Yeah, you know,
as far out as those branches go of the white pine,
you know you're going to have roots to that point,
and they usually go out twice as much as that
if they've been if it's an established a tree, So
they're going to go out even you know further. So
any anything you get, you know, within you know, ten
feet of the drip line of that tree, they're still
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going to be competing with the roots that have come
out that far. So you know, you're you know, you're
you're going to be water. I mean, after they finally
get themselves established two or three years down the road,
they'll be able to compete with that pine a little
bit better. But for the first two or three years,
you're gonna have to really stick with it. But you know, again,
the further away from it you can get, the better off.
You're going to be less competition. But it can come
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out easily the same amount that it's where the drip
area let's say it's twenty feet wide, it can come
out another twenty feet with no problem. Okay, And again
when you start to dig, you're gonna find out because
you're gonna start to hit a few roots here and there,
and they'll just give you an idea how much competition
there would be underground with that white pine. And the
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other thing I think is competing was is for sun obviously,
but with the white pine typically they're a little more open,
little more sun gets through. Shouldn't be much of an
issue there.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, that's one of the areas I'm grazing up back
there around the rounded and stuff. So right, because I
got a slipping land back in that area, I'm trying
to raise that, bring it up to be more usable.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Sure, yep, yep, sounds good, but I you know, stick
with it with the watering. I think. You know, again
we talk about the evergreens. That's a key you know,
to get the success of those is to water especially.
I always say with evergreens, you know, you're committed for
the first two maybe three years of regular watering, especially
during the drought situations and dry dry spells, to make
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sure that they're rooted in and able to compete. And
it's a it's a two or three year process, and
you're still going to be looking at doing that, you know,
even when they're established. Water as needed, So stick with
them with the watering. And I you know, again, far
away from the pine as you can, uh within reason,
and as much soil as you can around that immediate
root ball and uh and stick with them with the
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watering and feeding. It's gonna take a little bit of
feeding as well. Uh, but you should be good to go.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I kid, well, thanks, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Hey, our pleasure, appreciate the call. And do remember folks,
you know we've started to getting a few frosts out there,
haven't really seen freezes. We got a long way to
go before we get a serious, serious freezing. So you
got plenty of time for planting. Remember falls a great
time to plant, and the astrological fall, what does that stop?
December the thirty or twenty first, got a long way
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to go. So as long as the weather sticks with us,
we've got plenty of time for planting. So when you
get starting with these frosts, don't let that slow you down.
Keep right on going. If you've got cannas and bananas
and dallys and things that you need to dig up,
let mother nature frost them a few times on the
top a few times to kill those off. Then dig
them up and take them in as well. But again,
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don't let cooler weather. Couple frosts here there, slow you down.
We got a long way to go when it comes
to planting. Fall is a great time to plant. Quick break,
We come back a little home improvement from the man
met the legend, Mister Gary Sullivan and then Buggy Joe
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
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Gary Celibate.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes, sir, mister Wilson, how in the world are you?
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I'm great, by the way, it's Gary all of an
online dot com. For got to throw that in there.
More content than you could ever imagine. You think, Oh,
I know you're the man I am. I many years
You've been putting content in that website, years and years, hundreds,
hundreds feels like hundreds, hundreds of years, doesn't.
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It feel like hundreds?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
No? No, no, it's so much fun, mister Sullivan. It's
so much fun to have the opportunity to be a
small part of working with you that you know it
time flies, Yes, it does, so I totally enjoy it.
By the way, are you carving pumpkins this year?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
We have pumpkins cars yet, so it's kind of years.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I've seen folks that already carve their pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, they'll have pretty scary little natures, nature's answer to
pumpkin pie on. You carve them, you know as well
as I do. They get moldy and mushy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And doesn't doesn't take very long.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
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number of years ago about taking if you have any
leftover wet and forgetting spraining that on the inside. It
really worked.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It kept him from getting black. I mean it really does.
They They still start to shrivel a little bit. Moisture moisture, right, yeah,
as soon as you penetrate the skin, moisture starts to
come out, right. But yeah, that wet and forget, which
eats the algae and mold and all that stuff. It
doesn't apeve.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
You can do it early, do it with a little
wet and forget. But I don't, I don't know. I
think we're just good. And we have them next to
the moms. We have a couple of them, two three,
nice little arrangement out in front of the house. And
I think we might just leave him now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do you know what that's a new trend? Now they've
noticed over the last couple of years. Your trendy what
you always have. You've always been on the cutting edge
in the whole nine yards, always way ahead of what's
going on. Is pumpkin escaping.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, so you know now that you mentioned that, I
do see something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, And so you know not to buy the pumpkins
anymore for carving, right strictly for because now we've got
all the different gords that are available, all different types
of dis and colors. So we buy those now to
put in the in the planters and by the front
door and in the landscape and all that to.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Work in between maybe a bush or two. And then
there's those mums that just continue to keep growing. We
thinned it out and they still continue to keep growing.
We just set three pumpkins out there. It looks nice.
I mean it does pumpkins kind of the area looks nice.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Pumpkin scaping.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I didn't know I was trending.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And you know, the other thing I've I realized the
last couple of years is that if you go to
sites to talk about carving your pumpkins and all, they
don't carve with taking the top off anymore. They take
the bottom out of it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, yeah, that makes sense. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Think about this though, and and I thought about this,
I thought, well, maybe that's so. What they do is
you take the bottom out first, all right, and then
do it just like you with the top, so it'll
set back on it and seal back up, and then
you clean it out, all right. Then you carve your pumpkin,
and then you put your candle or whatever you're gonna
put on the bottom piece and put the pumpkin and
set the pumpkin back on top of it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You don't burn yourself in so you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Burn yourself, which is always thought was part of the deal,
you know, sticking your hand down there with a match.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know what I mean, what's a little trip to
the you know, the little clinic of the emergency room,
if you know, I mean, what's Halloween without.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
That on your hand? The first thing is cut trying
to like the pumpkin. It was a great time, but yeah,
cut in there, cutting the bottom out and then then
just sitting it on top, pick the whole pumpkin up
and then go from there. I thought was an.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Interesting Well because of you. If I don't continue being
trendy with the pump pumpkin scaping and I carve it,
I'll carve from the bottom. But I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We quit carving a cup, I don't know, probably two
or three years ago. Yeah, we've been pumpkin scaping as well.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Well, I'm up with the Woolfs. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, no, we follow Actually I saw that when I
drove by your house, and we try to copy that
out there. Ron, you were allowed to drive drive by
his house? Well I can barely. I had the binoculars
all pictures, yeah, pictures, and look back way back there
on the estate and could tell what he had done there.
So what are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh my gosh, the leaves are coming, baby, And I
know people get tired of me talking about gutters, but
we're going to talk about gutters. Yeah, absolutely, going to
talk about gutters and also applying sealers that are slip resistant.
You know, we keep seeing all these decorative coatings and
stuff on garage floors and walkways and stuff, and you know,
I've gotten a lot of questions about safety, and well,
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so we're going to talk about slip resistant coatings on
decorative concrete. It's pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Nice. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Is a fall color getting later this year? And then
every year?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, I'll tell you what, absolutely isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think we used to talk about the ashes turning
colors three weeks ago, five.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Years ago, usually about the twentieth of October. I got kneed,
I got it lives up to my knees.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Not this year, Not this year. Gary Sullivan Website, Garysullivan
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So instead of instead of introducing, you just shoot off
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I mean, no, no, no, I don't think I'm at.
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That's that's a good point. They could to some terrible misunderstanding.
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Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Speaking of speaking of miss, I don't have a good segue.
I had one there for a second, but it went away.
It's not age related, right, So that's when I'm claiming forever.
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So yeah, keep claiming it please. By the way, I.
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Keep claiming it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't know where. I don't know where you were
at it, but I had several emails this week saying
that Buggy Joe I always learned something from Buggy Joe,
sending pictures of their ant lions there you go, had
no idea what those were until you talked about them
last week, and then they saw the posting and they go,
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now we know what those little cones things are by
the underneath the overhang and by the front door or wherever.
And they were sending pictures and said that Buggy Joe,
I tell you what he's something else.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well, yeah, you know it is interesting. And now you
have you have your own private stock there. Well yeah,
I know, next to your Yeah. But here's well, here's
the here's the question. And this is have you noticed
over the years. I think we've talked about this before. Yeah,
one year you see a lot and then they and
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then you don't see them for a while, and then
you see a lot. I mean they rise and fall
from year to year. Two years.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That would that could be a book, A fifty page book,
The Rise and Fall of the ant Lion.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's it, that's exactly right. You know. Maybe they were
attacked from the north. Who knows, Yeah right, yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, they No, I won't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But I seem to have them every year we have
lucked out and find I find one or two somewhere
in some years. They're more than others.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, but I was to them.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Because we have this big overhang and it's dry underneath there,
and they love it.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That's just perfect. It's perfect. Yeah, we have an overhang.
It's actually, of course, we have a gas fireplace, you know,
which isn't really a fireplace. It's just a fire, but
you know, the overhang for that. They started showing up
a few years ago and that's been pretty consistent. But
I have noticed though, and they do take two to
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three years. This is something that I didn't know until
last year. They don't they just they don't have just
one generation per year. They take two or three years
to complete their development. So I've been speculating that maybe
this rise and fall has to do with Okay, some
years you have fewer completing development compared to other years,
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and we might just be in a high point year
because like you, I was very surprised at how many
people emailed that they that they were seeing them. They
had seen them, but they didn't know what they were exactly.
And in past years there's a Sharon Sharon Woods Park
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has always been my go to place for Alliance in
their main parking lot, you know, where they have a
little village there. Yeah, those dry areas under the bigger trees.
It's just it's just perfect. Which at the other place
you'll find eve and in my experience, if it's not
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overhanging from a building or even up next to the foundation,
let's say on the side of the house, where you know,
just because of the direction of winds and so forth,
they don't get hammered. But around big trees, that little
dry area that's often found around very large trees. And
at Sharonville that's what you see, you know, year to year,
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two years. Sometimes I go over there and it's just well,
like you, you know, it's kind of hard to find.
It's not that there's zero, but just hard to find.
But I think, and of course no one's really keeping count,
not keeping count, but it must be that we are
just seeing a lot more this year because, as I said,
you know, I was very surprised and a nice learning
(27:09):
experience for folks. And I'll tell you the other one
that has surprised me are the stiletto brandishing boogie woogie aphans.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That you've seen more and more.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It seems that way. Yes, I got, you know, most
definitely when I posted that that big alert just boom.
You know that's the sound when I get email. I
have a set up that way. It's not a starter
pistol but here just a little bit of an explosion.
But yeah, oh my gosh, she took me back, you know,
(27:47):
Terry bombs. Oh you know, I'll tell you demographically, I'm
sure we lost part of the audience right there, because
what do you mean M eighty? What's he talking about there?
I don't know how long those You can't buy them anymore,
can you? I have no years ago, I have no idea. Well,
I'm pretty sure I could be wrong. Somebody needs to
type in below the line here right. No, wait, we're
(28:09):
not doing that. But we don't know if.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You're going to talk more about that boogie woogie aphan.
But I got I got an interesting one. I don't
see very often. A picture this this week, and I
didn't send it to you, but it was interesting. Lady
had a mass planning of barbary leaves to fall going
away and start scratching around in the mulch below it,
(28:37):
and all these little loopers inch worms were underneath it.
Black white stripe down the side spots barbary looper.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Do you know that's on my bucket list? I'm serious.
I have not ever gotten a picture of those.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
She she said, you know, she she kept trying to
figure out what was he and the leaves off of barbary. Yeah,
got underneath them and starts kind of scratching the mault away.
And there was like four or five of them right
there at the base of one of the plants. And
so she emailed me, said you know what these things
are because I'm losing all the leaves, and so I said, yeah,
you know, and I think correct me if I'm wrong
(29:17):
in our area? Can we get a couple of generations
of those?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We can? It's all it's it's kind of almost continuous.
But you know, you don't see barbaries nearly as much
as I think we once did. Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Or people use them like they used to.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, and so I guess that's probably part of it.
I mean, there is Yeah, they're not all barbaries the same,
and we need to always say this. And yes, there
are some that may be able to kind of crawl
away with their looper, right, but but I don't know.
And maybe also people are tired when they have to
(29:54):
do a little pruning. You can't prune a barbary without
you know, getting.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Stuck at least once.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
At least once. I mean I generally, you know, when
I used to the landscape, I used to manage we
had barbaries for security reasons. Actually, that's that's something that
that another point to barbarys that we tend to forget.
But anyway, I used to, uh just kind of grab
them real fast before I prune them. So I knew
when I was getting pickled, right, you know, I knew
(30:23):
when I that makes sense, I just get it over with.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Hit your hand with a ham hammer.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah. Gary Sulivan's always recommended that if you're building a
deck or something, hit your thumb first with a hammer,
get it out of the way, get it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Out of the way, and then because you know, it's
coming otherwise, you know, you're uh but uh, but but
I I've always been very interested in this Barbary looper because,
like you said, there are multiple generations, plus it's kind
of an interesting thing, and that it moves around on
the plant quite a lot. You know, most of these
general defoliators actually Barbarie loopers, not general defoliator. It goes
(31:05):
after Barbary. But you know, they mostly stay put somewhere
in the foliage. But these things are very mobile, and
it's one reason I love the description. You know, she
said the leaves are just disappearing. Yeah, well, you know,
they move around quite a bit. But I have never
gotten a picture of one. And umail her on Monday and.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
See if she'll let you come over.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, there you go, and then I'll just grab hold
of one. No wait, I'm not going to be pruning them,
but I still.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I guess I learned also because I was looking to
see how many generations they had. But they also like Mahonia,
which you don't see Mahonia much in our our area
anymore either.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's that Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, I'm just
I'm sitting here just kind of amazed at all these
plants that are coming gone, which is a great segue
for where I was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
But you can't but you leave it hanging because he's
got to take a I am that's exactly where it
was by Joe yesterday. It's like a where was Waldo?
Where was Buggy Joe? We're going to find out after
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Welcome back here in the U, Here in the Garden
with Ronnick Wilson personal yard Boy talking with Where was
Buggy Joe Boggs yesterday?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Well, well, I was at a location that that had
a very interesting program on fantastic people. Uh, they got
desperate and had to have a speaker towards the end,
and that's why I was there. The International Plant Producers
Society meeting in Louisville, Louisville, Louisville at.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Louisville, Louisville.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That Louisville, you know, it was. It was a very
interesting group and I have to say, you know, for
folks that are very interested in plants, that that is
just an excellent group. Uh, to be aware of first
of all, because it was sharing of information about plants,
plant selection, new plants, so International Plant Propagators Society. And
(34:57):
and I also ran across Matt bar Let down there right, Matthew, Yes, yes,
And I have to say, you're on the most interesting thing.
He and Jordan hole Camp, you know, you know Jordan
Air Jordan with E h R and Fort White Kentucky.
So so Matt you know, with you and Natorp's and
(35:20):
they were showing an aerial view of this very large
nursery and and I turned to the person sitting next
to me and said, well, where is that? And she said, well,
that's that's natorp on. It was an aerial view and
you know that's just something that we typically don't see,
right except you could see it with Google Earth and
(35:43):
so forth, or Google Maps. She could look down on things.
But I was very surprised. Ron you and I've talked
about this before, the growth of the nursery production there.
It's astounding, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean, yeah, well, you know, what can I say?
I'm proud, you know, probably.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
A very small that stuff, well a very small part,
and I think it reflects I have to say it
reflects the industry in general. There's a there's there's there's
something where I'm heading to here, and that is I
think listeners, you know, just need to maybe get a glimpse,
get a snapshot of this industry behind all these plants
that they go by, they go purchase the garden centers
(36:24):
that it actually kind of doesn't matter where they buy,
and there are groups of professionals behind those plants. So
spend a lot of time, you know, discussing the pluses
and minuses supporting research. Teresa Colly, doctor Teresa Colley from
University of Cincinnati, gave a talk in the morning let
me guess on boxwood, on boxwood and boxwoods that are
(36:48):
clearly resistant to box tree made I mean just tremendously
now what she's doing, and this was funded by the industry.
It's actually funded by by a grant that's called the
Horticultural Research Institute Grants HRI. And she's using genetics. She's
(37:08):
taking basically snapshots of pieces of the DNA of boxwoods
so that she can learn, Okay, is this boxwood what
we used to call winter green or what we still
call winter green, or is this boxwood winter gym? You
see where I'm heading. We have these names, but as
(37:29):
you and I have discussed before, you know, names are great.
We want people to recognize. I mean the same with cars.
We want people to know a Chevy from a Ford. Right. However,
as you know with plants, the downside is, you know,
well over the years, you know, plants change, there's new
breeding to plant, you know, produce new plants, and sometimes
(37:51):
the names sort of get a little bit lost in
connection to the original plant. Maybe it was called something
in nineteen fifty and then now it's you know, there's
a slight change, but maybe it's still closely related to
that boxwood in nineteen fifties. See where I'm heading. It's
just that. But genetics do not lie, Genetics don't change.
(38:12):
And so what she did, what she has done, is
she went around. Because we're seeing and this is a
very important point relative to boxwoods in their future. Clearly,
you know, we are seeing boxwoods that are basically remaining
almost untouched. Now, they're never going to be completely untouched
because box treemoth only has one host, and that's boxwoods.
(38:36):
So even the most resistant ones will get fed upon.
But you wouldn't even notice it. I mean we're seeing
that over in Loveland, Ohio, where there's a hot spot
you just don't even notice the damage. So she has
evaluated to determine the genetics. Are those boxwoods that are
the most resistant found so far, and then those are
the least resistant, and then started putting means to these.
(38:59):
And it was a a fantastic presentation yesterday, well received
by the industry because it's demonstrating two things. Number one,
and you've been at this a long time like myself,
and you know, taking that route which has long been
used for corn and soybeans, and we have talked about
(39:22):
this before. This is really kind of a new scientific approach.
So it was just very interesting hearing that. And then
you know, I came along and kind of you know,
confused everybody for a little bit and then almost ran away.
Stayed long enough a little bit, yes, but then I
stayed long enough to hear, you know, an overview of
(39:44):
new plants and it was just kind of remarkable. And
I guess I'm just getting a little carried away because
I just want people to know that this industry, first
of all, it continues to grow and that's no pun. Well,
I guess it is a little bit of a fun
and that's why the pictures of nasorps because you know,
I've known you for many years, I've known the nursery
(40:07):
for many years, and it's just great to see this
expansion for thriving just continue to be very healthy. And
it's not the only nursery going that route, right, I mean,
there are other nurseries, other production that's pulling go guns.
I think it's as good for people to know that
these times, because fall is for planting, right, there's a
(40:30):
lot that we want people to do, and to know
that behind those plants being selected, there's a lot of thought,
a lot of science, and quite a bit of let's
just be perfectly experience. And so here we were talking
about barberries and then mahoney, you know I would say, mahoney, mahonia, mahonia.
(40:57):
I didn't know that county was named after that plant. Sorry,
that was mamonia.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Those are plants that we grew up with, didn't we.
I mean, you know, and now they're less favored, but
that happens also. But it just is important to know
that there's a lot of thought that goes into this,
and that's why when you do go in like to
your local garden center to you know, well, I have
this place over here, what should I use?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
There's a lot of good a lot of good experience,
and like I said, now more and more science going
into those selections. You know, you like that segue.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I always great, you know, but I always think back,
and I bring this up every now and then, especially
in the spring. When I first started in high school
with a garden center, what the perennial selection was back then,
you know, it was hostas and day lilies and a
few black guys, Susans and maybe a pony here and there,
and that was about it. Now look at it today.
(41:52):
I mean, you can't keep up in grocery stock the
same way annuals. It's crazy, but it's a it's a
great industry and we're glad that you are a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Sir Maul, Thank you, sir, and go Buck, go buck.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Talk to you next Saturday.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Bah blah blah, all right, thank you, bugging Joe Buggs.
Thanks all of our colors, our sponsors, Thanks of course
of Danny Gleeson, our producer, because without Danny Gleeson, none
of this stuff would happen. So Daniel, thank you so
much for all that you do. Now do yourself a favor.
Plenty of time to get out and plant that tree
or two or three. Keep plant for those pollinators, plant
those native selections. Get out there and do that. Pamper
your worms, get the kids and dogs of ball with gardening,
(42:31):
and by all means, make it the best weekend of
your life.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
See you not gardening questions.
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Ron has the answer at one eight hundred eighty two
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Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
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A deciduous holly with the beautiful berries that you might
(00:58):
want to incorporate into screen plantings or border plantings, something
like that. But the beautiful berries this time of the year,
throughout the fall and into the winter season great for
holiday planters, and the birds love them as well. A
couple posts from Buggy Joe Boggs beach blight, aphids and
the ant lions roar again, so be sure and check
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those out as well, and scroll down you find some
of our past postings on there too. So again it's
at Ron Wilson online dot com. This week's show, we're
trying to help you out, save you a little bit
on that back and that hard labor. We learn more
and more all the time from my good buddy at home,
Improven expert Gary Sullivan about it's all about easy and
you know, work smarter, not harder. So you know, anytime
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we can find the tools and things and processes to
make it easier for all of us in the garden,
we'll try to share that with you. And I'm still
telling you a soil knife. You gotta have a soil knife.
It comes in so handy and you can go to
there's many of them out there. You can google soil knife.
I'll take you to many locations to find them. I
like the ones from am Leinard. Their retail catalog is
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have the strength with a shovel or to bend over
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And when you buy one these augers they last forever.
I mean they do. And you put them on your
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thank Greg Neewell for joining us for that one. And
of course, mister garlic, if you're not growing garlic, whether
it's in a container, raised bed in the ground, you
(02:47):
should be. You know how good it is for you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And the mister Neil Bevla Aqua, of course, mister garlic expert.
And of course he has the Earthlifter tool, which again
talk about making it easy for you gardening for like
breaking up the soil, harvesting root crops, so many things
you can use the Earthlifter tool for is phenomenal. But
you can learn more about the garlic and all that
(03:13):
at earthlifter dot com. And some of the things that
he was getting too much. He uses a lot of
mushroom compost activated biochar. He likes that in his beds
for garlic. And he said as he mentioned, he likes
he thinks garlic loves seafood and he uses kelp and
seaweed and composts of shells of lobsters and crabs, anything
(03:33):
receive source a matter of fact, the liquid fish emulsion possibly,
and you know we've talked about Coast of Maine potting soils,
raised bedmixes. They do a great job as composted. It's
a combination of composts, lobster, crab and shell meal, kelp meal,
worm castings, micro riseing, all the stuff that he likes
that make he thinks makes garlic the best. And again
(03:57):
that's the Coast of Maine potting and you'll find that
at your locally owned independent garden centers as well. But
again you can learn more about it at their website
is earthlifter dot com. So be sure and check all
those out to make your gardening a little bit easier
and make you a little bit healthier when you harvest
your own grown garlic next summer. The Cincinnati we go John, Good, morning, morning.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
How you doing good?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
John? Yourself?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Good? What can we do for you?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I got a couple of questions. I guess I'm in
the process of kind of raising some of my yard.
I guess raising it up and stuff. I've been doing
it from a friendly tree guy that has been doing
tree shreddings, and I've been getting getting all of those delivered,
and I've been moving around and stuff. And I guess
(04:50):
my question is how long after I put those in
do I need to wait before I can actually put
a tree or do any plannings.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And in the wood chips, the fresh wood chips.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean year to year. You know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The thing of it is with fresh I don't use
an example of when when you grind out a stump,
all right, a wood stump, and they come in and
they grind all that out and that gets mixed. Those
chips get mixed in with the soil. And as those
chips get mixed in with the soil, they'll probably get
into when you go back to try to replant. If
you don't get all of those chips out of there
is the fact that as they break down, there are
(05:29):
a tremendous sponge for taking nutrients out of the soil
and it takes it away from the plant. So you
have a hard time getting a new plant to grow,
having grass to grow, whatever, unless you can get the
chips out. Now, the fresh chips are great as a
top dressing, all right, but it's not as a soil amendment.
So composting wise, six months to a year of composting
(05:51):
really gets you past that sponge level of absorbing all
those nutrients. And the more you compost it's the better
you off you are, so I would say at least
a year or so. Where you go in there and
you turn that over, it's hard to tell that it
was wood chips anymore, that it's you know, actual soil.
And I'll tell you what I would also be doing
(06:13):
in those areas, John is adding, throw fertilizer in there,
throw commoneure in there, throw chicken manure in with that
stuff as it's composting. Uh, you know, things like that
that you can add to it to help speed up
the process and to help supply nutrients to speed up
the decomposing process. I'd say, you know, again, I'd have
(06:33):
to kind of watch it and see how fast it decomposes,
but maybe minimum of six to eight months, but maybe
a year.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And on top of that, I guess so if I
if I kind of make the burn and then put
dirt behind it, that would be fine, and that the bill,
and then put the trees into the dirt versus the chips.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yep. Absolutely, And again feel free to use the chips
for the top dressing, but don't use them as a
soil amendment unless they've been composted.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And how how big of those dirt areas do you need?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I guess is my question.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
As much as you can give it, I mean, are
you really And I know that's very vague, but you know,
as much soil as you can give around it, the
better off you're going to be. And I think the
thing remember too, is as you're putting that soil around there,
make sure that you try to walk it in and
water it in so it's settling and compact, you know,
(07:38):
not getting compacted, but settling down because it will settle
over time. And you've got to make sure because you
don't want to have to come back in and fill
that back up again. So you know, again, as much
as much of an area as you can take with
the top soil or the new soil you bring in,
the more the better. That's all I guess I can
say is the more the better.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, And I'm trying to do some uh green giants,
but I have a try and do some screaming and stuff.
But I have a a probably a thirty year old
pine tree. I'm trying to think the brand of it
(08:20):
through fine needles on it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
White pine probably Yeah, yeah, that's probably it.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
How close can I plant to that without that that
taking all the water?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, you know, you're know what I mean, Yeah, you know,
as far out as those branches go of the white pine,
you know you're going to have roots to that point,
and they usually go out twice as much as that
if they've been if it's an established a tree, So
they're going to go out even you know further. So
any anything you get, you know, within you know, ten
feet of the drip line of that tree, they're still
(08:54):
going to be competing with the roots that have come
out that far. So you know, you're you know, you're
you're going to be water. I mean, after they finally
get themselves established two or three years down the road,
they'll be able to compete with that pine a little
bit better. But for the first two or three years,
you're gonna have to really stick with it. But you know, again,
the further away from it you can get, the better off.
You're going to be less competition. But it can come
(09:17):
out easily the same amount that it's where the drip
area let's say it's twenty feet wide, it can come
out another twenty feet with no problem. Okay, And again
when you start to dig, you're gonna find out because
you're gonna start to hit a few roots here and there,
and they'll just give you an idea how much competition
there would be underground with that white pine. And the
(09:37):
other thing I think is competing was is for sun obviously,
but with the white pine typically they're a little more open,
little more sun gets through. Shouldn't be much of an
issue there.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, that's one of the areas I'm grazing up back
there around the rounded and stuff. So right, because I
got a slipping land back in that area, I'm trying
to raise that, bring it up to be more usable.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Sure, yep, yep, sounds good, but I you know, stick
with it with the watering. I think. You know, again
we talk about the evergreens. That's a key you know,
to get the success of those is to water especially.
I always say with evergreens, you know, you're committed for
the first two maybe three years of regular watering, especially
during the drought situations and dry dry spells, to make
(10:22):
sure that they're rooted in and able to compete. And
it's a it's a two or three year process, and
you're still going to be looking at doing that, you know,
even when they're established. Water as needed, So stick with
them with the watering. And I you know, again, far
away from the pine as you can, uh within reason,
and as much soil as you can around that immediate
root ball and uh and stick with them with the
(10:43):
watering and feeding. It's gonna take a little bit of
feeding as well. Uh, but you should be good to go.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I kid, well, thanks, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Hey, our pleasure, appreciate the call. And do remember folks,
you know we've started to getting a few frosts out there,
haven't really seen freezes. We got a long way to
go before we get a serious, serious freezing. So you
got plenty of time for planting. Remember falls a great
time to plant, and the astrological fall, what does that stop?
December the thirty or twenty first, got a long way
(11:13):
to go. So as long as the weather sticks with us,
we've got plenty of time for planting. So when you
get starting with these frosts, don't let that slow you down.
Keep right on going. If you've got cannas and bananas
and dallys and things that you need to dig up,
let mother nature frost them a few times on the
top a few times to kill those off. Then dig
them up and take them in as well. But again,
(11:35):
don't let cooler weather. Couple frosts here there, slow you down.
We got a long way to go when it comes
to planting. Fall is a great time to plant. Quick break,
We come back a little home improvement from the man
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
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time for the Man, the mid the legend. He is
the most listened to home improvement show host in the
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Gary Celibate.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes, sir, mister Wilson, how in the world are you?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I'm great, by the way, it's Gary all of an
online dot com. For got to throw that in there.
More content than you could ever imagine. You think, Oh,
I know you're the man I am. I many years
You've been putting content in that website, years and years, hundreds,
hundreds feels like hundreds, hundreds of years, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It feel like hundreds?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
No? No, no, it's so much fun, mister Sullivan. It's
so much fun to have the opportunity to be a
small part of working with you that you know it
time flies, Yes, it does, so I totally enjoy it.
By the way, are you carving pumpkins this year?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
We have pumpkins cars yet, so it's kind of years.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I've seen folks that already carve their pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, they'll have pretty scary little natures, nature's answer to
pumpkin pie on. You carve them, you know as well
as I do. They get moldy and mushy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And doesn't doesn't take very long.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
No, it doesn't. Infact, remember when we talked about a
number of years ago about taking if you have any
leftover wet and forgetting spraining that on the inside. It
really worked.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It kept him from getting black. I mean it really does.
They They still start to shrivel a little bit. Moisture moisture, right, yeah,
as soon as you penetrate the skin, moisture starts to
come out, right. But yeah, that wet and forget, which
eats the algae and mold and all that stuff. It
doesn't apeve.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
You can do it early, do it with a little
wet and forget. But I don't, I don't know. I
think we're just good. And we have them next to
the moms. We have a couple of them, two three,
nice little arrangement out in front of the house. And
I think we might just leave him now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do you know what that's a new trend? Now they've
noticed over the last couple of years. Your trendy what
you always have. You've always been on the cutting edge
in the whole nine yards, always way ahead of what's
going on. Is pumpkin escaping.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, so you know now that you mentioned that, I
do see something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, And so you know not to buy the pumpkins
anymore for carving, right strictly for because now we've got
all the different gords that are available, all different types
of dis and colors. So we buy those now to
put in the in the planters and by the front
door and in the landscape and all that to.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Work in between maybe a bush or two. And then
there's those mums that just continue to keep growing. We
thinned it out and they still continue to keep growing.
We just set three pumpkins out there. It looks nice.
I mean it does pumpkins kind of the area looks nice.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Pumpkin scaping.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I didn't know I was trending.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And you know, the other thing I've I realized the
last couple of years is that if you go to
sites to talk about carving your pumpkins and all, they
don't carve with taking the top off anymore. They take
the bottom out of it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, yeah, that makes sense. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Think about this though, and and I thought about this,
I thought, well, maybe that's so. What they do is
you take the bottom out first, all right, and then
do it just like you with the top, so it'll
set back on it and seal back up, and then
you clean it out, all right. Then you carve your pumpkin,
and then you put your candle or whatever you're gonna
put on the bottom piece and put the pumpkin and
set the pumpkin back on top of it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You don't burn yourself in so you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Burn yourself, which is always thought was part of the deal,
you know, sticking your hand down there with a match.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know what I mean, what's a little trip to
the you know, the little clinic of the emergency room,
if you know, I mean, what's Halloween without.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
That on your hand? The first thing is cut trying
to like the pumpkin. It was a great time, but yeah,
cut in there, cutting the bottom out and then then
just sitting it on top, pick the whole pumpkin up
and then go from there. I thought was an.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Interesting Well because of you. If I don't continue being
trendy with the pump pumpkin scaping and I carve it,
I'll carve from the bottom. But I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We quit carving a cup, I don't know, probably two
or three years ago. Yeah, we've been pumpkin scaping as well.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Well, I'm up with the Woolfs. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, no, we follow Actually I saw that when I
drove by your house, and we try to copy that
out there. Ron, you were allowed to drive drive by
his house? Well I can barely. I had the binoculars
all pictures, yeah, pictures, and look back way back there
on the estate and could tell what he had done there.
So what are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh my gosh, the leaves are coming, baby, And I
know people get tired of me talking about gutters, but
we're going to talk about gutters. Yeah, absolutely, going to
talk about gutters and also applying sealers that are slip resistant.
You know, we keep seeing all these decorative coatings and
stuff on garage floors and walkways and stuff, and you know,
I've gotten a lot of questions about safety, and well,
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so we're going to talk about slip resistant coatings on
decorative concrete. It's pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Nice. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Is a fall color getting later this year? And then
every year?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, I'll tell you what, absolutely isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think we used to talk about the ashes turning
colors three weeks ago, five.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Years ago, usually about the twentieth of October. I got kneed,
I got it lives up to my knees.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Not this year, Not this year. Gary Sullivan Website, Garysullivan
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Welcome Back. You're in the Garden with Ron Wilson, and
it is time.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
For the.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Fucking Joe Bob and purpose and Joe Bobs. He says
a professor commercial order shooter near hum State University stench.
I know what sho departed with it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
That wasn't me.
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Post a boy for OSU Extension, co creator of Matha
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dot Edu. Mister Commonsensey called himself Buggy Joe bugg.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I lied.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That was me.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I couldn't help it. It was you. It was me.
I mean it's like a race starting. I'll tell you
somebody needs they need to have a starter pistol to
go off, and then you just start.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So instead of instead of introducing, you just shoot off
a pit starter pistol.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, no, no, no, I don't think I'm at.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That's that's a good point. They could to some terrible misunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Speaking of speaking of miss, I don't have a good segue.
I had one there for a second, but it went away.
It's not age related, right, So that's when I'm claiming forever.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So yeah, keep claiming it please. By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Keep claiming it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't know where. I don't know where you were
at it, but I had several emails this week saying
that Buggy Joe I always learned something from Buggy Joe,
sending pictures of their ant lions there you go, had
no idea what those were until you talked about them
last week, and then they saw the posting and they go,
(23:50):
now we know what those little cones things are by
the underneath the overhang and by the front door or wherever.
And they were sending pictures and said that Buggy Joe,
I tell you what he's something else.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well, yeah, you know it is interesting. And now you
have you have your own private stock there. Well yeah,
I know, next to your Yeah. But here's well, here's
the here's the question. And this is have you noticed
over the years. I think we've talked about this before. Yeah,
one year you see a lot and then they and
(24:23):
then you don't see them for a while, and then
you see a lot. I mean they rise and fall
from year to year. Two years.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That would that could be a book, A fifty page book,
The Rise and Fall of the ant Lion.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's it, that's exactly right. You know. Maybe they were
attacked from the north. Who knows, Yeah right, yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, they No, I won't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But I seem to have them every year we have
lucked out and find I find one or two somewhere
in some years. They're more than others.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, but I was to them.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Because we have this big overhang and it's dry underneath there,
and they love it.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That's just perfect. It's perfect. Yeah, we have an overhang.
It's actually, of course, we have a gas fireplace, you know,
which isn't really a fireplace. It's just a fire, but
you know, the overhang for that. They started showing up
a few years ago and that's been pretty consistent. But
I have noticed though, and they do take two to
(25:21):
three years. This is something that I didn't know until
last year. They don't they just they don't have just
one generation per year. They take two or three years
to complete their development. So I've been speculating that maybe
this rise and fall has to do with Okay, some
years you have fewer completing development compared to other years,
(25:44):
and we might just be in a high point year
because like you, I was very surprised at how many
people emailed that they that they were seeing them. They
had seen them, but they didn't know what they were exactly.
And in past years there's a Sharon Sharon Woods Park
(26:07):
has always been my go to place for Alliance in
their main parking lot, you know, where they have a
little village there. Yeah, those dry areas under the bigger trees.
It's just it's just perfect. Which at the other place
you'll find eve and in my experience, if it's not
(26:27):
overhanging from a building or even up next to the foundation,
let's say on the side of the house, where you know,
just because of the direction of winds and so forth,
they don't get hammered. But around big trees, that little
dry area that's often found around very large trees. And
at Sharonville that's what you see, you know, year to year,
(26:48):
two years. Sometimes I go over there and it's just well,
like you, you know, it's kind of hard to find.
It's not that there's zero, but just hard to find.
But I think, and of course no one's really keeping count,
not keeping count, but it must be that we are
just seeing a lot more this year because, as I said,
you know, I was very surprised and a nice learning
(27:09):
experience for folks. And I'll tell you the other one
that has surprised me are the stiletto brandishing boogie woogie aphans.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That you've seen more and more.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It seems that way. Yes, I got, you know, most
definitely when I posted that that big alert just boom.
You know that's the sound when I get email. I
have a set up that way. It's not a starter
pistol but here just a little bit of an explosion.
But yeah, oh my gosh, she took me back, you know,
(27:47):
Terry bombs. Oh you know, I'll tell you demographically, I'm
sure we lost part of the audience right there, because
what do you mean M eighty? What's he talking about there?
I don't know how long those You can't buy them anymore,
can you? I have no years ago, I have no idea. Well,
I'm pretty sure I could be wrong. Somebody needs to
type in below the line here right. No, wait, we're
(28:09):
not doing that. But we don't know if.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You're going to talk more about that boogie woogie aphan.
But I got I got an interesting one. I don't
see very often. A picture this this week, and I
didn't send it to you, but it was interesting. Lady
had a mass planning of barbary leaves to fall going
away and start scratching around in the mulch below it,
(28:37):
and all these little loopers inch worms were underneath it.
Black white stripe down the side spots barbary looper.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Do you know that's on my bucket list? I'm serious.
I have not ever gotten a picture of those.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
She she said, you know, she she kept trying to
figure out what was he and the leaves off of barbary. Yeah,
got underneath them and starts kind of scratching the mault away.
And there was like four or five of them right
there at the base of one of the plants. And
so she emailed me, said you know what these things
are because I'm losing all the leaves, and so I said, yeah,
you know, and I think correct me if I'm wrong
(29:17):
in our area? Can we get a couple of generations
of those?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We can? It's all it's it's kind of almost continuous.
But you know, you don't see barbaries nearly as much
as I think we once did. Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Or people use them like they used to.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, and so I guess that's probably part of it.
I mean, there is Yeah, they're not all barbaries the same,
and we need to always say this. And yes, there
are some that may be able to kind of crawl
away with their looper, right, but but I don't know.
And maybe also people are tired when they have to
(29:54):
do a little pruning. You can't prune a barbary without
you know, getting.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Stuck at least once.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
At least once. I mean I generally, you know, when
I used to the landscape, I used to manage we
had barbaries for security reasons. Actually, that's that's something that
that another point to barbarys that we tend to forget.
But anyway, I used to, uh just kind of grab
them real fast before I prune them. So I knew
when I was getting pickled, right, you know, I knew
(30:23):
when I that makes sense, I just get it over with.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Hit your hand with a ham hammer.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah. Gary Sulivan's always recommended that if you're building a
deck or something, hit your thumb first with a hammer,
get it out of the way, get it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Out of the way, and then because you know, it's
coming otherwise, you know, you're uh but uh, but but
I I've always been very interested in this Barbary looper because,
like you said, there are multiple generations, plus it's kind
of an interesting thing, and that it moves around on
the plant quite a lot. You know, most of these
general defoliators actually Barbarie loopers, not general defoliator. It goes
(31:05):
after Barbary. But you know, they mostly stay put somewhere
in the foliage. But these things are very mobile, and
it's one reason I love the description. You know, she
said the leaves are just disappearing. Yeah, well, you know,
they move around quite a bit. But I have never
gotten a picture of one. And umail her on Monday and.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
See if she'll let you come over.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, there you go, and then I'll just grab hold
of one. No wait, I'm not going to be pruning them,
but I still.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I guess I learned also because I was looking to
see how many generations they had. But they also like Mahonia,
which you don't see Mahonia much in our our area
anymore either.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's that Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, I'm just
I'm sitting here just kind of amazed at all these
plants that are coming gone, which is a great segue
for where I was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
But you can't but you leave it hanging because he's
got to take a I am that's exactly where it
was by Joe yesterday. It's like a where was Waldo?
Where was Buggy Joe? We're going to find out after
the break here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Welcome back here in the U, Here in the Garden
with Ronnick Wilson personal yard Boy talking with Where was
Buggy Joe Boggs yesterday?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Well, well, I was at a location that that had
a very interesting program on fantastic people. Uh, they got
desperate and had to have a speaker towards the end,
and that's why I was there. The International Plant Producers
Society meeting in Louisville, Louisville, Louisville at.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Louisville, Louisville.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That Louisville, you know, it was. It was a very
interesting group and I have to say, you know, for
folks that are very interested in plants, that that is
just an excellent group. Uh, to be aware of first
of all, because it was sharing of information about plants,
plant selection, new plants, so International Plant Propagators Society. And
(34:57):
and I also ran across Matt bar Let down there right, Matthew, Yes, yes,
And I have to say, you're on the most interesting thing.
He and Jordan hole Camp, you know, you know Jordan
Air Jordan with E h R and Fort White Kentucky.
So so Matt you know, with you and Natorp's and
(35:20):
they were showing an aerial view of this very large
nursery and and I turned to the person sitting next
to me and said, well, where is that? And she said, well,
that's that's natorp on. It was an aerial view and
you know that's just something that we typically don't see,
right except you could see it with Google Earth and
(35:43):
so forth, or Google Maps. She could look down on things.
But I was very surprised. Ron you and I've talked
about this before, the growth of the nursery production there.
It's astounding, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean, yeah, well, you know, what can I say?
I'm proud, you know, probably.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
A very small that stuff, well a very small part,
and I think it reflects I have to say it
reflects the industry in general. There's a there's there's there's
something where I'm heading to here, and that is I
think listeners, you know, just need to maybe get a glimpse,
get a snapshot of this industry behind all these plants
that they go by, they go purchase the garden centers
(36:24):
that it actually kind of doesn't matter where they buy,
and there are groups of professionals behind those plants. So
spend a lot of time, you know, discussing the pluses
and minuses supporting research. Teresa Colly, doctor Teresa Colley from
University of Cincinnati, gave a talk in the morning let
me guess on boxwood, on boxwood and boxwoods that are
(36:48):
clearly resistant to box tree made I mean just tremendously
now what she's doing, and this was funded by the industry.
It's actually funded by by a grant that's called the
Horticultural Research Institute Grants HRI. And she's using genetics. She's
(37:08):
taking basically snapshots of pieces of the DNA of boxwoods
so that she can learn, Okay, is this boxwood what
we used to call winter green or what we still
call winter green, or is this boxwood winter gym? You
see where I'm heading. We have these names, but as
(37:29):
you and I have discussed before, you know, names are great.
We want people to recognize. I mean the same with cars.
We want people to know a Chevy from a Ford. Right. However,
as you know with plants, the downside is, you know,
well over the years, you know, plants change, there's new
breeding to plant, you know, produce new plants, and sometimes
(37:51):
the names sort of get a little bit lost in
connection to the original plant. Maybe it was called something
in nineteen fifty and then now it's you know, there's
a slight change, but maybe it's still closely related to
that boxwood in nineteen fifties. See where I'm heading. It's
just that. But genetics do not lie, Genetics don't change.
(38:12):
And so what she did, what she has done, is
she went around. Because we're seeing and this is a
very important point relative to boxwoods in their future. Clearly,
you know, we are seeing boxwoods that are basically remaining
almost untouched. Now, they're never going to be completely untouched
because box treemoth only has one host, and that's boxwoods.
(38:36):
So even the most resistant ones will get fed upon.
But you wouldn't even notice it. I mean we're seeing
that over in Loveland, Ohio, where there's a hot spot
you just don't even notice the damage. So she has
evaluated to determine the genetics. Are those boxwoods that are
the most resistant found so far, and then those are
the least resistant, and then started putting means to these.
(38:59):
And it was a a fantastic presentation yesterday, well received
by the industry because it's demonstrating two things. Number one,
and you've been at this a long time like myself,
and you know, taking that route which has long been
used for corn and soybeans, and we have talked about
(39:22):
this before. This is really kind of a new scientific approach.
So it was just very interesting hearing that. And then
you know, I came along and kind of you know,
confused everybody for a little bit and then almost ran away.
Stayed long enough a little bit, yes, but then I
stayed long enough to hear, you know, an overview of
(39:44):
new plants and it was just kind of remarkable. And
I guess I'm just getting a little carried away because
I just want people to know that this industry, first
of all, it continues to grow and that's no pun. Well,
I guess it is a little bit of a fun
and that's why the pictures of nasorps because you know,
I've known you for many years, I've known the nursery
(40:07):
for many years, and it's just great to see this
expansion for thriving just continue to be very healthy. And
it's not the only nursery going that route, right, I mean,
there are other nurseries, other production that's pulling go guns.
I think it's as good for people to know that
these times, because fall is for planting, right, there's a
(40:30):
lot that we want people to do, and to know
that behind those plants being selected, there's a lot of thought,
a lot of science, and quite a bit of let's
just be perfectly experience. And so here we were talking
about barberries and then mahoney, you know I would say, mahoney, mahonia, mahonia.
(40:57):
I didn't know that county was named after that plant. Sorry,
that was mamonia.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Those are plants that we grew up with, didn't we.
I mean, you know, and now they're less favored, but
that happens also. But it just is important to know
that there's a lot of thought that goes into this,
and that's why when you do go in like to
your local garden center to you know, well, I have
this place over here, what should I use?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
There's a lot of good a lot of good experience,
and like I said, now more and more science going
into those selections. You know, you like that segue.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I always great, you know, but I always think back,
and I bring this up every now and then, especially
in the spring. When I first started in high school
with a garden center, what the perennial selection was back then,
you know, it was hostas and day lilies and a
few black guys, Susans and maybe a pony here and there,
and that was about it. Now look at it today.
(41:52):
I mean, you can't keep up in grocery stock the
same way annuals. It's crazy, but it's a it's a
great industry and we're glad that you are a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Sir Maul, Thank you, sir, and go Buck, go buck.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Talk to you next Saturday.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Bah blah blah, all right, thank you, bugging Joe Buggs.
Thanks all of our colors, our sponsors, Thanks of course
of Danny Gleeson, our producer, because without Danny Gleeson, none
of this stuff would happen. So Daniel, thank you so
much for all that you do. Now do yourself a favor.
Plenty of time to get out and plant that tree
or two or three. Keep plant for those pollinators, plant
those native selections. Get out there and do that. Pamper
your worms, get the kids and dogs of ball with gardening,
(42:31):
and by all means, make it the best weekend of
your life.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
See you not gardening questions.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Ron has the answer at one eight hundred eighty two
three Talk You're in the Garden with Ron Wilson.
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