December 27, 2025 • 43 mins
In this hour of In the Garden with Ron Wilson, Ron chats with Scott Beuerlein from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. They dive into the garden's best picks, featuring a list of top-performing plants that have been trialed in the garden's unique conditions. Scott shares the process behind creating this list, from selecting and growing over 600 varieties of plants to evaluating their performance. They also discuss the importance of pollinator gardens and the garden's efforts to promote sustainability and conservation. With Scott's expertise and Ron's enthusiasm, this conversation is a must-listen for any gardening enthusiast.
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Our total free number on this final Saturday twenty twenty
five eight hundred eight two three eight two five five
And by the way, that'll be the same number in
twenty twenty six. But I can't believe it that this
is the last Saturday twenty twenty five. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy, talking about yardening. And uh, you
know when we made a studio change right before COVID
(01:03):
happened to brand new studios. Yeah, COVID happened, and then
we didn't have any guests in the show. And it
just it's difficult to get guests into the studio for
some reason, just the way this way it's set up.
But guess what, we're breaking the ice this morning. I mean,
and we really reached out for that first and studio
guest after all these years. You know who I'm talking about.
(01:25):
He's from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. No, I'm
not talking about Steve Foltz because he wouldn't be up
this early. He's the only guy I know from the Cincinata.
Maybe there's other two that have their own website. The
website is Scottbeerline dot com. Ladies and Gentlemen from the
Cincinnati Botanical Gardener Zoo Scott beer Line. Sit down, he's
(01:49):
already got a big head. Sit down, Good morning, Good morning.
That was quite something. You're quite something. Last time we
had you in the studio, we had the Three Geeks
Tree Geeks, and I think it was Chris Stone. Yeah,
and I don't think would run rothis.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But of course your favorite of all of those times,
I know, it was when the Liz Jacobs was here.
Oh god, because all you did was stare across the
room and never really said too much, but you bumbled,
you just kind of.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
We all did that, yeah, but I did it more
than everybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah. Yeah, those were fun. Those were good shows. Those
were uh you know, and I still I look at
my emails. I save a lot of stuff and I
still have because you guys we did that probably two
or three times, and you always had to bring your
list of favorite trees from different categories, and then we
would go around and kind of voice and argue and
(02:50):
whatever for those particular trees. I still have those lists
out there. It's amazingly people requested those after you guys
were on. Really oh yeah, you know, what were their
top trees?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Again? You know, it's so yeah, probably can't remember what
years I can't. You know, it would change state to
day anyway, So.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I know you can't remember the first one that Liz was.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
On there, No, No, I don't remember anything she said.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I was kind of a maze. Scott Bureau and
it's it's bure line of Burlne Burr line or if
you look at Wayne beuer line. But I've always called
him Scott beer line. And for a good reason, and
for a good reason because it's just easier to say.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Uh, and it kind of describes who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
We enjoy it. It's me a cold one every now. Absolutely, Scott.
Your responsibilities at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. You
are manager of the Botanical Garden Outreach. What in the
heck does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I wish I knew. I put together our symposiums for
salts that we do three a year, right, and which
seed about two hundred and twenty five people.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Actually, yeah, two fifty seventy if you want to really
squeeze them in, and.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You do, yeah, yeah, and they're always sold out always,
I must always almost always, I must always Yeah. Are
Sustainable Urban Landscape Symposium at March, and then Planning Trials
Day in August and Native Plant Symposium in the fall.
Great programs. We brought in a virtual who's who of
American horticulturists, you know, doctor Armitage, who doctor Alan Armitage.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Doctor Allan Apple. Armitage has been a part of those. Yes,
were you down there that morning? He was shooting a
YouTube video or something at the rock Day is it
the Rockdale Garden. Yeah, yeah, that was really cool. Yeah,
it was kind of yeah, yeah, I couldn't get it
to work right and all that. Oh, yeah, that's right.
He had technical issues and some technical problems. He had
(04:45):
somebody on the phone that was helping him out, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
On my phone.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I think you had yours on yours and on mine,
and yeah, we finally got it taken care of, that's right.
So yeah, well you guys do a great job, and
you took that over when you came with the Cincinnati
Botanical Garden a zoo.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah fift years ago now, ye, twenty eleven kind of
was a vague idea of what my role would be,
and it morphed into it almost exactly what I think
Steve had in mind, you know, So they hired you
and just said Scott, we don't know what we want
you to do.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he was. Steve would get angry with me anytime
that I was out there with the string trimmer or whatever.
He's like, this is not what I hired you for
for the kaboda with a plow on the front. Oh,
those stories are legendary. Yeah, I've been taking off snow removal.
I'm not allowed to do it at all. I've had
two bad accidents.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I still remember laughing really hard when I heard about it,
and then stopping because they said, yeah, he got hurt
pretty bad. And then I went seriously, They're like, yeah
he really got hurt. Well, I was like, oh, you know,
not hostile laughing. Then I started laughing again. Oh yeah, yeah.
I lived through it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And I get rassed about that at work on a
weekly you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Know, just so folks know. Scott was lending a hand
push and snow at the Cystinanti Potanical Garden zoo off
the walkways and with a plow in front of the
kaboda and forgot that there was a raised man hole
cover in this one particular area and hit it at about.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Five miles an hour, which sounds very slow. But when
you when you hit something that just stops you, and
you hit the windshield at five miles an hour, you
didn't have your seatbelt on. I did not. You know.
This was in the old days when we were careless
and reckless.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Oh my, but look where it looks where you are today. Yeah,
I think it made me better. Actually, it rearranged my
brain a little bit. And uh, you know, I forgot
a lot. Is it coming back to you? Yeah, So
besides that you do it. I mean, obviously we see
each other a lot of other workshops and seminars, giving
(06:52):
talks and garden talks and things like that, giving classes,
you do a lot of writing, yes, uh yeah. Two
columns with Horticulture Magazine. One is an interview column. So
again I've through my contexts, through the zoo and through
the industry. I've been able to interview top names, you know,
(07:14):
big influencers in this world of horticulture, including one coming
up with Pete Aldolf, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Nice, But that column has been going on, you know,
I wish I could remember these things, probably for five
years now. And then the other column, favorite column is
it the deep Roots column at the end of the
at the back of the magazine. So sometimes mostly humor,
(07:41):
but then other times I'll get into something a little
bit more deeper and more emotional, but mostly humor. Mostly humor,
even though deep emotional stuff is usually pretty funny. I
was going to say, that's humorous for Scott at least,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, that's the name. It's a horticultural speaker and writer.
Yeah whatever else. So you know, those symposiums aren't always
going on at the Sensei Botanical Gardens. So what do
you do in between all that? That's the hard part. Yeah,
I'm always busy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I've become the general office boy, so I'm handle
or Yeah, bring the coffees in and think. Yeah, usually
they make me wear something pretty but good. H yeah, coffee, Uh, emails,
a lot of a lot of emails, payroll, general go
(08:36):
in the break room and try to try to make
everybody laugh during the lunch break, and so you do
a little stand up routine their lunch. Yeah. They practice
for when you're on the comedy club pretty much. Yeah,
for when when I go on the road. Uh, they
actually applaud me in the break room when I go
in when I go in, Oh, no, kidding. Most times.
(08:58):
Not always, you know, I'll walk in and they'll break
into applause. It's weird, it's hilarious. You whatch met is it?
Matt Riff No, I don't know YouTube No from Ohio. Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He's got your sense of humor. Stand up, you bad
bad sense. You'll you'll have to look at That's.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What I like it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Scott beryline with us this morning. He is our special guest.
Gonna stick with us for the rest of the show.
We're gonna talk about We're gonna be taking your calls,
obviously talking about some of the great things that's the
Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo has done over the years
and continues to and gets stronger and stronger all the time,
including their best of And I'm telling you what, I
don't care if you live in Cincinnati, Ohio, surrounding states
(09:39):
anywhere zones five, six, seven, eight. Their lists that they
have on their website are absolutely outstanding and very helpful
for homeowners. And of course the Cinstinati Botanical Garden is
the same way. And we'll talk more about Scott what
those best are things that they're doing, what they've been
doing over the years and taking your calls at eight
hundred eight two three A two five five. Here in
(10:01):
the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again.
That toll free number and we are taking your calls
at eight hundred eight two three eight two five five
in studio Guests this morning, mister Scott beer Line from
the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. Uh, if you're in
our if you live in our area, you know what
that's all about. It It's fantastic. It's a phenomenal visit
to go there. I mean folks do it on a
(13:26):
weekly basis, monthly basis. Take the kids. They all love it.
As a matter of fact, what this is, the Sensinti
Botanical Garden and Zoo, even though it's named the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical Garden is a huge botanical garden with
some animals in it. And you kind of have to
look through all the botanical to find the animals. As
a matter of fact, they've done such a great job
with the botanicals setting it up that they have more
(13:48):
reproduction there from the wild animals than anywhere else, because
it's like living at home.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Right, Yeah, good habitat, good habitat. Yeah, I mean the
whole nine yards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Steve Folks, who has been on our show on a
regular basis, takes credit for most of that. But we
know it's the folks, right, Yeah, it's there up to the.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Little people in the department that take care of the
place and make it look so great, right, And you know,
the golden finger is great. I have a picture of
him literally pointing to something with Kira there.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well you sent that to me, yeah, did I? Well,
I put a poster together with that on there, and
then I had a picture of Fiona and the Steve. Yeah,
and I forgot to bring it. That's when I introduced
him at that at the at the the thing coming
up in February. Oh yeah, yeah. I had to fill
(14:40):
in for Joe Box. So I had this thing scram
want to put this thing together, and I forgot to
take it with me. Dang, But I had that and
I had a golden boss and it was blowing in
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was. It was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Uh. Anyway, talking with Scott beer Lynon and and of
course Scott's in charge of their botanical garden outreach and
all their classes and things like that. But it's amazing,
how you know, looking at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden Zoo,
the things they have added and changed over all these
years from I've got pictures when I was there at
five years old, front of the bare cages. You know,
there's still that hill there, but no, what you guys
(15:13):
have done to turn that into a truly a botanical garden.
And then the education that comes out of those botanical gardens,
out of a botanical garden is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You know, It's it's got a synergy all its own,
you know, the combination of the animals and the botanical garden,
and then also kind of the renewal that this zoo
has been going through for the past fifteen years. Basically
it was we're the oldest, second oldest zoo in the
United States. All the infrastructure was kind of old and crumbling,
(15:45):
and Mark Fisher, or vice president of Sustainability and Facilities,
came in and started making everything very sustainable rebuilding, a
lot of the building shuffling things around. We hired an
architect who you know, the process. It's been kind of
a mixed thing because anytime you have a construction project,
(16:09):
you lose some old old horticulture, old gardens, you lose
old plants, tree might have to come down. But then
you've got a blank slate once the construction is done,
to come back in with the new gardens sometimes kind
of representing Asia or Africa or wherever, but also spaces
(16:32):
just to do more of our trialing, so our annuals
perennial shrubs, trees, putting in new plants using old good
ones that that we know will work in places where
we need them to work, especially with shade trees that
are so important. But you know, it just all that
combined kind of happening together. More awareness at the zoo
(16:58):
in general of the important of a botanical garden. It's
led to some really good stuff there is.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And in course I think the trial gardens, which I
think is interesting. I mean, you could always go there
and I used to always tell folks this was way
back when when you go to the Cincinnati Botanical Gardens,
and I say that all the time, it's the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical garden, but I think the botanical part
should be first. But when you go there, I always
used to say, take your camera so you can take pictures,
(17:26):
and a notebook so you can write down things. Well,
you don't have to do that anymore because you've got
your cell phone and everything's labeled, so you can just
take a picture of it with the label and you
got it. But you can go through there and see
so many great plants that you like, and it's labeled
and you can take a picture of it, learn more
about it, and of course if they go to your
website where you've done these trials. But you think back,
how you guys have just changed that alone to make
(17:48):
it more educational for folks to walk through and subtly
be able to know what all those plants are, and
then all of a sudden to create the colors and
the spectacular looks, and folks just look at it like
you just did this really nice garden. But in essence,
what it is, it's a trial garden, right that you
guys are doing to trial new annuals and perennials and
(18:10):
things like that. And there are all things that folks
can find at the garden centers and nurseries down the road.
Then you actually do the trials and then you actually
put the list together, and that's where folks can go
to your website at cincinnatizoo dot org and learn about
all these best of for how long ten years back?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh well, I've been there fifteen years. We've been doing
it that whole time. And I believe to a lesser
degree with especially with the annuals trialing that that has
gone back to two thousand and two, believe it or not. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, and even containers, yeah, even things growing at containers.
So you find out what's And I look back and
I think, to me, what really got the big jump start,
and maybe I'm wrong, was when you started planning all
the tulips.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That you know that is a big crowd, brings in
a lot of people. And when you have those tulip displays,
when those come out, you have to backfill with something,
what are you gonna do. You're gonna do annuals because
you know you're coming back in with tulips the following year.
So that's been just a beautiful process. The tulips are
(19:18):
so popular and you know, before I worked at the zoo,
I like tulips. I didn't plant any myself. But when
you go there and you see one hundred thousand tulips
and that saturated color, especially for evening or morning events
when the back lighting is there, that is simply breathtaking.
(19:39):
It is just about as beautiful a display as you
can get.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And in addition to the one hundred thousand tulip bulbs
that you have, there are a million daffodils crocus bulbs
scattered throughout the rest of the botanical garden. Yeah, so
the tulips and mass are spectacular, but the whole botanical
garden has all kinds of spring flowering bulbs scattered everywhere.
They come back year after year. Right, It's unbelievable. That's
(20:06):
why I was going to say, if you're within distance
of the driving distance, or if you're ever in Cincinnati,
you gotta put them on your bucket list. It's a
great place to go. We're going to spend more time
with Scott beer Line after the break here in the
garden with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (22:21):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson's special
guests this morning in studio. In house is Scott Beerline
from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden Zoo, an absolutely wonderful website,
Cincinnati Zoo dot org. I just wish they'd had that
Cincinnati botanicald be so nice, and I do I you know,
Christina and all whoever did the marketing had the one
(22:44):
printed ad that said every April we turned into the
Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo you made my life. I'm
gonna I've been saving this, Gonna put it in a
frame and put it on my office because that's been
my whole thing all along. And I get it because
obviously the animals cute. Anybody relates to the the animal's
Fiona and all that stuff. So yeah, but but you know,
(23:06):
it is the Botanical Garden. And I always you guys
always kid about folks that come in and want to
know where the botanical gardens are.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Every now and then you get a question, it is
a botanical garden. You are in it look around.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's what you got talking with Scott beer lyon Cincinnati
Botanical Garden Zoo. And of course we're taking your calls.
Scott's uh, Scott knows more than I do when it
comes to horticulture. So you know, we we got a
couple of people. You're going to answer your questions again.
An eight hundred and eight two three eight two five five.
We were talking earlier about the programs he put together
in this best of thing, which I think is absolutely
outstanding in garden centers, landscapers. Anybody can print that out.
(23:44):
It's a great thing to give to the to their
customers as a reference. But these are plants that you
guys have looked at growing through the year and then
are evaluated by whom.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Mostly well, it's it's pretty much the whole apartment. But
Kira back runs the whole annual annuals trialing. Other people
do more on the perennials and things, but the annuals
Trialing is our biggest one and the best example to
talk about. And you know, Kira and her team, they
(24:19):
do such a good job of getting all that material
out there and doing it. It's kind of amazing because
people think it looks so good. Oh, this was designed
all winter long and figured out it doesn't work that way.
The plants come in. We have somewhere around six hundred,
seven hundred varieties, sixty thousand plants. They're grown in a
(24:41):
very fairly small greenhouse from plugs up to four inch
or six inch plants. And when those plants are ready
whenever that is, and that time frame in the spring,
that's when they get put on a cart and hauled
out into the gardens. And so the design takes place
on the fly and she's matching up you know, growing conditions,
(25:05):
sun shape, all of that, and matching it with color combinations,
and she pulls it out every year. It's just an
amazing process. Then as they're growing through the season, we're
looking at them and seeing what performs well for our trialing.
We tend to be on the conservative side, where you know,
(25:26):
we one year is probably not enough for us to
go and put it on some lists somewhere. We may
talk about it, we may mention that it was really
good this year, we're excited to try it next year.
But for our true best of lists, those are ones
that we know perform multiple years really well. Very reliable.
We want people to have success when they look at
our lists and put those plants in their gardens.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Do old names continue to show up on new lists?
Absolutely good, So the old ones don't get tossed out. Right,
If you're still performing with the new guys, you're still there. Yeah,
I mean Steve Foltz always has mystic dally on there, Alice,
you can always count a mystic value, definitely, And it's
such a great what's your favorite mystic value?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah? Mine too, Oh, isn't it? Yeah? I just love
that plant. Come on, I've got our list of the
plants that that they're looking at for our best of
list this year right at the top because it's an
a word angel Angelonia angel face white, which has been
out a million years. Unbelievable, you know, great plant.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I have noticed, I don't know if you've noticed this
now in catalogs signage suppliers are changing that to summer
sun dragon or snap dragon.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah. Yeah, and it's tripping me up.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, you know what, I looked back many years ago
when Angelonia first came on the market, no way knew
what angelonia was, and there's still a lot of folks don't.
And I always described it as it's it's kind of
like a snap dragon. Yeah, but it's tougher and more
durable and upright, and the colors are spectacular summer long,
all summer long. I mean, snaps are pretty tough. Yeah,
but I always referred to it as a snap drag.
(27:00):
I can like annual. And I don't know if that's why.
There's not because of me, but I'm just saying, because
it's because of you. No, But I'm yeah, right, you know,
is that because isn't a summer snapdragon? Know what they're
saying now?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's actually no, I think about it,
you know, I get tripped up because it's a new
new word, you know, and I have to remember that now. Yeah,
but that is a great description of the plant. And
the way is the way you use it in the garden.
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I remember the first time I planted angelonia west side
container plants always wielded down. I couldn't keep things, you know,
so I'm always holding nine yards. I put Perilla mcgilla,
remember that one. I always looked Perila mcgilla. I put
Liis Machia goldilocks on the bottom, and I put Angelonia
in there. I never I mean I did have to water,
(27:50):
but not very often. It's a tough place. Those were
three plants that just shined, you know, yeah, unbelievable, especially
the angelonia. That was the first that we really had
started to see angelonia. And now today they've got the
uprights and smaller ones that kind of weep over hanging baskets,
so many, the whole series of angelonias. But they are
talk about sun and durable. Yeah, and they don't recede. No,
(28:14):
Some snaps used to come back. Snaps used to come
back from the roots, went back in the year, in
a warmer year, in a warmer winter. Sometimes you'd have
that happen. But Angelonia, I'm glad to see that on
the list. That's that's a tough plant. Yeah, yeah, what
else you're see it?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, I can't get away from begonias. And apparently
this list was put together by Kira in her group,
so I only saw it just a few weeks ago.
But begonias, I mean, I'm well well well past my
plants and up stage you know where I would have
looked at Pegoonia and say, oh, you know, that's so
(28:49):
commonly used. But it's so commonly used because it's so
reliable and good, you're going to have success with it
and sun shade.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
All right, now, I'm gonna have to ask you this.
Somebody says, how do I take care of my hibiscus?
I have to say, what type of hibiscus is?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes? Right, so we're talking about pagonias. I'm talking the
wax types, right, and but.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Sure, the old well some of the riggers. I mean,
Grandma used to take those inside as a house plant,
you know, we always have that one or two. But
wax magonias are the old stand by, old standbys. But
they've been coming out with new ones, you know, bigger ones.
The colors are more or less the same.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's always red, rose or well sure or white, you know,
just the dark foliage types offsetting that that white flower.
I love that. One of the new ones, I say,
pretty new just a few years now is the Stone
Stonehenge series, which are bigger than even the whoppers and
the bigs. And you know, when I think of these things,
(29:49):
I think of like those impossible spots like dense shade,
go ahead and put something in, but also for big landscapes,
put a mass of them together and and you can
do that, especially with the bigger types. You know, just
if you want to fill space with color, there you
go sun or shade. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Really I remember Toyota over on the Creek.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Road Coop Cooper Road.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yes, used to have those real long beautiful as we
planted those, there was like two or three thousand wax
but go yeah, full sun bacon like crazy, and they
always looked spectacular.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah. And they don't need a lot of water, nope,
you know, just just produce. Yeah. Oh that's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, anything else stowed outistic Dalia.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Actually you brought up the riggers, uh the what is
it Solenia series and oh yeah yellow really good value
as you mentioned, Yeah, there's some values on the list.
We had a bad year with Dalias in the beginning
of the year when it was so wet the weather
was Yeah, and then they came along after it tried
(30:55):
out and boyded it try out this summer. But Kira
and her crew are really excited about uh, well, Mystic Fantasy.
So the whole Mystic series is pretty good, right, you know,
dark foliage, beautiful flowers, and then they're looking at Venti
Fireburst is a good one. Venti Venti Fireburst Vente series.
(31:17):
You have Fireburst.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, you know, I think I've been in this business
a long time, longer a lot of people. But anyway,
thinking back when I was in high school in the
garden centers when you got annuals in and looking at
the garden centers today, when you walk in there and
you look at all those annuals that are out there,
and the perennials too, and the shrubs too, but you know,
perennials and annuals, your head just spins it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, it can be overwhelming, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And you have the proven winners, and you have the
all the different branded names that are out there. Yeah,
and then you see them all and they're marketed, and wow,
it's just whoa. Your choices today are phenomenal. And that's
where something like this comes in handy because now you've
got those on trial. In the trials, you know, you
(32:00):
eat them all the same, and whether the weather's bad
or the weather's good. And look how those recovered. We're
able to see that, even know they look bad the
days came back. That's where your trial gardens come in
great because here they are all are Take a look,
and this is how they're going to perform in your
backyard as well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It is really gratifying to walk through the zoo and
see people taking pictures of labels of the plants they like,
whether you know, across the gamut, annuals, perennials, whatever, trees
and shrubs, and know that we're having an influence, you know,
and especially with those the pamphlet series that we put
(32:38):
out which is online, to have horticulture professors send me
thirty of those. Please, you know, landscape companies, can we
want these in our trucks. It's really cool and we
put a lot of effort into those to make sure
that it's good information. It's not you know, flash in
(33:01):
the pan type plants or or you know, just whatever
is hot. It's what's we've planted. We've grown in pretty
normal conditions, not doing anything you know, unusual.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Soil is pretty good in places mostly it is. That's
not a good job, and that's the.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Key to gardening anyway, you know, the homeowners and planter
as happy as the soil exactly got exactly. But we're
not you know, going we're not acidifying soil to try
to please you know, rhododendrons. They're just not on our list,
you know, except for maybe one or two that do
pretty well here. So yeah, we're trying pretty hard, and
I hope people take advantage of that work.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No matter where you live, you should come and check.
This should be on the bucket list, Seriously, I'm not.
It's the greenest zoo in the world. It's easy to
say that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean, sixty five percent of our energy comes from
the solar panels that we have in our parking lot.
The whole place is green and shaded and just packed
with plants. You'd catch all the runoff water. We big
task below.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
There's the botanical guards that you don't even see. No,
you know, the parking lots and things like that. You
don't even know that they're there. No things that you do.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's just it captures the water and puts it in
uh you know the water features right zoo and right
some of our irrigation.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
In drinking phones. No, just canting, just kidding. Right by
the way, they're not walking through the zoo and taking
pictures of those plants and their labels, are walking through
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again
that toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
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the house with us. He is from the Cincinnati Botanical
Gardener Zoo talking about some of their best stubs. And
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each other, including Ron, So check that out. And it's
his birthday, so be sure and wish him a happy
birthday as well. So there you go, Ron Rock, Happy
twenty first birthday. Ron.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You think he's twenty, I bet he's more like twenty seven,
maybe twenty eight, twenty eight maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, that's just twenty eight with the maturity level of fourteen.
Ron Rothis that was Scott Beerline. That was not me.
It was right. He got me with a good joke
a couple of weeks ago. Oh well it was minor,
did you say, I still do? You see pictures of
him learning how to be a camel jockey no, I
have not seen those pictures. Oh yeah, Ron on a
(38:08):
camel learning how to race a camel. Oh that's scary.
They're only like fifteen feet high.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, he had a picture, was talk about scary. It
was of both of just so you can see the
camel's face and Ron's.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
There's so many things we could say.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And there you go talking with Scott Beier. Like Cincinnati, Yeah,
that's it, Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo or some know
it as the Zoo and Botanical Garden website Cincinnati zoo
dot org. Their best of lists, their top picks are
on there, and you can be sure and check those
out because they are absolutely wonderful reference lists for you
if you're looking for a medium, small shrub, large tree,
(38:50):
whatever may be. These are things that they've tested in
their botanical garden and highly recommend them. And they do
this every year and update it all the time, so
be sure and check it out. You guys also got
into as the concern came with the butterflies, the pollinators,
the bees and all. Then you started focusing on pollinator
plants and pollinator gardens. I remember when you started doing
(39:13):
that shift over. You did that first garden where you
walked in the entrance to the right, there had the
tanks and the recycling tanks and you planted all kinds
of pollinator plants in there and starting to bring the
focus around to that and man, has dad exploded for
you guys, And what you did about how you raided
those pollinators with the kids and the cameras was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
There's such a good story with that. One of the
sod that was a buzz troop and we were doing
pollinator gardens before anybody even called them that. But that
was started by Deb Zurich, who we had the volunteins
coming in fourteen year old ish that were volunteer in
the summer, and you know, what would you do with them?
(39:58):
What's a cool project to do? And Deb Zurich, our
manager at the time, started a bus troop. Give them
a camera, send them out there, have them take pictures
of pollinators on plants. Start to kind of collect some
of that data, which plants did really good. Bog on
a flower, take a picture of it. Now, let me
tell you a story that's really cool about that, because
(40:19):
there was a young teenage girl who really took to that,
really had got really interested in insects in pioneers and
she did that for two or three years and then
actually went into pre med at Miami University, but she
(40:41):
came back for a summer job with us as a
seasonal help, you know, her freshman sophomore year. And she
still had that interest, you know, that was there, and
she was working at the Rockdale Garden and she would
do you know, normal garden tasks, but also keep an
eye on what's pony what And she found that well,
(41:02):
first of all, she found on our scutlaria in cana,
which is a a what is it hoary skullcap terrible name.
Discovered that a certain bumblebee, northern golden bumblebee, which is
maybe endangered, very very rare, was visiting the gardens first
of all, which was unexpected, but then almost exclusively on
(41:26):
that plant. You know, it would be on no other
plant in the garden. It would be on scutllar area
every time. And you know, that's kind of cool citizen science.
She's put it out on an eye naturalist and actually
I want to get her to do a blog on
that and get that out there. But it's those little
(41:48):
things you're learning with the pollinators there's so it's such
a big world and just getting to know that there's
associations between this insect and that plant. You know, what
was that bumblebee feeding on when scuttle area wasn't in bloom?
Ready to go? What to do? You know, it's it's
really fascinating. I think we're only scratching the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
What does it do? I don't know what is that?
We saw it on some Salvius. I mean, isn't that interesting?
So what else does it do? I mean we're obviously
goes somewhere else, right, enjoy something else? But yeah, that's cool,
And I got the kids involved, of course. Now you've
got your pollinator program, yes as well. Let's take a
break top of the hour. We're gonna talk more with
Scott beer Line. He's gonna stick with us for the
(42:28):
rest of the show. I will talk more with Scott
with this pollinator program, how you can get involved with that.
More of the best ups. And then I've got a well,
I got the little list here, Scott. We're gonna do
us the Lightning round. Oh boy, well, Scott beer Line,
where you get to tell us what you like the
best of two choices.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh that's terrible. Oh no, this will be a good one.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Okay, and and uh and a whole lot more and
taking your calls all right. So, if you've got a
question or tip you'd like to share during all this conversation,
we're here for you. Eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Green,
(43:16):
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Speaker 3 (43:17):
Ron can help at one eight hundred eighty two three talk.
This is in the Garden with Ron Wilson.
Our total free number on this final Saturday twenty twenty
five eight hundred eight two three eight two five five
And by the way, that'll be the same number in
twenty twenty six. But I can't believe it that this
is the last Saturday twenty twenty five. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy, talking about yardening. And uh, you
know when we made a studio change right before COVID
(01:03):
happened to brand new studios. Yeah, COVID happened, and then
we didn't have any guests in the show. And it
just it's difficult to get guests into the studio for
some reason, just the way this way it's set up.
But guess what, we're breaking the ice this morning. I mean,
and we really reached out for that first and studio
guest after all these years. You know who I'm talking about.
(01:25):
He's from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. No, I'm
not talking about Steve Foltz because he wouldn't be up
this early. He's the only guy I know from the Cincinata.
Maybe there's other two that have their own website. The
website is Scottbeerline dot com. Ladies and Gentlemen from the
Cincinnati Botanical Gardener Zoo Scott beer Line. Sit down, he's
(01:49):
already got a big head. Sit down, Good morning, Good morning.
That was quite something. You're quite something. Last time we
had you in the studio, we had the Three Geeks
Tree Geeks, and I think it was Chris Stone. Yeah,
and I don't think would run rothis.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But of course your favorite of all of those times,
I know, it was when the Liz Jacobs was here.
Oh god, because all you did was stare across the
room and never really said too much, but you bumbled,
you just kind of.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
We all did that, yeah, but I did it more
than everybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah. Yeah, those were fun. Those were good shows. Those
were uh you know, and I still I look at
my emails. I save a lot of stuff and I
still have because you guys we did that probably two
or three times, and you always had to bring your
list of favorite trees from different categories, and then we
would go around and kind of voice and argue and
(02:50):
whatever for those particular trees. I still have those lists
out there. It's amazingly people requested those after you guys
were on. Really oh yeah, you know, what were their
top trees?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Again? You know, it's so yeah, probably can't remember what
years I can't. You know, it would change state to
day anyway, So.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I know you can't remember the first one that Liz was.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
On there, No, No, I don't remember anything she said.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I was kind of a maze. Scott Bureau and
it's it's bure line of Burlne Burr line or if
you look at Wayne beuer line. But I've always called
him Scott beer line. And for a good reason, and
for a good reason because it's just easier to say.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Uh, and it kind of describes who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
We enjoy it. It's me a cold one every now. Absolutely, Scott.
Your responsibilities at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. You
are manager of the Botanical Garden Outreach. What in the
heck does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I wish I knew. I put together our symposiums for
salts that we do three a year, right, and which
seed about two hundred and twenty five people.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Actually, yeah, two fifty seventy if you want to really
squeeze them in, and.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You do, yeah, yeah, and they're always sold out always,
I must always almost always, I must always Yeah. Are
Sustainable Urban Landscape Symposium at March, and then Planning Trials
Day in August and Native Plant Symposium in the fall.
Great programs. We brought in a virtual who's who of
American horticulturists, you know, doctor Armitage, who doctor Alan Armitage.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Doctor Allan Apple. Armitage has been a part of those. Yes,
were you down there that morning? He was shooting a
YouTube video or something at the rock Day is it
the Rockdale Garden. Yeah, yeah, that was really cool. Yeah,
it was kind of yeah, yeah, I couldn't get it
to work right and all that. Oh, yeah, that's right.
He had technical issues and some technical problems. He had
(04:45):
somebody on the phone that was helping him out, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
On my phone.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I think you had yours on yours and on mine,
and yeah, we finally got it taken care of, that's right.
So yeah, well you guys do a great job, and
you took that over when you came with the Cincinnati
Botanical Garden a zoo.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah fift years ago now, ye, twenty eleven kind of
was a vague idea of what my role would be,
and it morphed into it almost exactly what I think
Steve had in mind, you know, So they hired you
and just said Scott, we don't know what we want
you to do.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he was. Steve would get angry with me anytime
that I was out there with the string trimmer or whatever.
He's like, this is not what I hired you for
for the kaboda with a plow on the front. Oh,
those stories are legendary. Yeah, I've been taking off snow removal.
I'm not allowed to do it at all. I've had
two bad accidents.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I still remember laughing really hard when I heard about it,
and then stopping because they said, yeah, he got hurt
pretty bad. And then I went seriously, They're like, yeah
he really got hurt. Well, I was like, oh, you know,
not hostile laughing. Then I started laughing again. Oh yeah, yeah.
I lived through it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And I get rassed about that at work on a
weekly you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Know, just so folks know. Scott was lending a hand
push and snow at the Cystinanti Potanical Garden zoo off
the walkways and with a plow in front of the
kaboda and forgot that there was a raised man hole
cover in this one particular area and hit it at about.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Five miles an hour, which sounds very slow. But when
you when you hit something that just stops you, and
you hit the windshield at five miles an hour, you
didn't have your seatbelt on. I did not. You know.
This was in the old days when we were careless
and reckless.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Oh my, but look where it looks where you are today. Yeah,
I think it made me better. Actually, it rearranged my
brain a little bit. And uh, you know, I forgot
a lot. Is it coming back to you? Yeah, So
besides that you do it. I mean, obviously we see
each other a lot of other workshops and seminars, giving
(06:52):
talks and garden talks and things like that, giving classes,
you do a lot of writing, yes, uh yeah. Two
columns with Horticulture Magazine. One is an interview column. So
again I've through my contexts, through the zoo and through
the industry. I've been able to interview top names, you know,
(07:14):
big influencers in this world of horticulture, including one coming
up with Pete Aldolf, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Nice, But that column has been going on, you know,
I wish I could remember these things, probably for five
years now. And then the other column, favorite column is
it the deep Roots column at the end of the
at the back of the magazine. So sometimes mostly humor,
(07:41):
but then other times I'll get into something a little
bit more deeper and more emotional, but mostly humor. Mostly humor,
even though deep emotional stuff is usually pretty funny. I
was going to say, that's humorous for Scott at least,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, that's the name. It's a horticultural speaker and writer.
Yeah whatever else. So you know, those symposiums aren't always
going on at the Sensei Botanical Gardens. So what do
you do in between all that? That's the hard part. Yeah,
I'm always busy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I've become the general office boy, so I'm handle
or Yeah, bring the coffees in and think. Yeah, usually
they make me wear something pretty but good. H yeah, coffee, Uh, emails,
a lot of a lot of emails, payroll, general go
(08:36):
in the break room and try to try to make
everybody laugh during the lunch break, and so you do
a little stand up routine their lunch. Yeah. They practice
for when you're on the comedy club pretty much. Yeah,
for when when I go on the road. Uh, they
actually applaud me in the break room when I go
in when I go in, Oh, no, kidding. Most times.
(08:58):
Not always, you know, I'll walk in and they'll break
into applause. It's weird, it's hilarious. You whatch met is it?
Matt Riff No, I don't know YouTube No from Ohio. Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He's got your sense of humor. Stand up, you bad
bad sense. You'll you'll have to look at That's.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What I like it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Scott beryline with us this morning. He is our special guest.
Gonna stick with us for the rest of the show.
We're gonna talk about We're gonna be taking your calls,
obviously talking about some of the great things that's the
Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo has done over the years
and continues to and gets stronger and stronger all the time,
including their best of And I'm telling you what, I
don't care if you live in Cincinnati, Ohio, surrounding states
(09:39):
anywhere zones five, six, seven, eight. Their lists that they
have on their website are absolutely outstanding and very helpful
for homeowners. And of course the Cinstinati Botanical Garden is
the same way. And we'll talk more about Scott what
those best are things that they're doing, what they've been
doing over the years and taking your calls at eight
hundred eight two three A two five five. Here in
(10:01):
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again.
That toll free number and we are taking your calls
at eight hundred eight two three eight two five five
in studio Guests this morning, mister Scott beer Line from
the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. Uh, if you're in
our if you live in our area, you know what
that's all about. It It's fantastic. It's a phenomenal visit
to go there. I mean folks do it on a
(13:26):
weekly basis, monthly basis. Take the kids. They all love it.
As a matter of fact, what this is, the Sensinti
Botanical Garden and Zoo, even though it's named the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical Garden is a huge botanical garden with
some animals in it. And you kind of have to
look through all the botanical to find the animals. As
a matter of fact, they've done such a great job
with the botanicals setting it up that they have more
(13:48):
reproduction there from the wild animals than anywhere else, because
it's like living at home.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Right, Yeah, good habitat, good habitat. Yeah, I mean the
whole nine yards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Steve Folks, who has been on our show on a
regular basis, takes credit for most of that. But we
know it's the folks, right, Yeah, it's there up to the.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Little people in the department that take care of the
place and make it look so great, right, And you know,
the golden finger is great. I have a picture of
him literally pointing to something with Kira there.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well you sent that to me, yeah, did I? Well,
I put a poster together with that on there, and
then I had a picture of Fiona and the Steve. Yeah,
and I forgot to bring it. That's when I introduced
him at that at the at the the thing coming
up in February. Oh yeah, yeah. I had to fill
(14:40):
in for Joe Box. So I had this thing scram
want to put this thing together, and I forgot to
take it with me. Dang, But I had that and
I had a golden boss and it was blowing in
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was. It was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Uh. Anyway, talking with Scott beer Lynon and and of
course Scott's in charge of their botanical garden outreach and
all their classes and things like that. But it's amazing,
how you know, looking at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden Zoo,
the things they have added and changed over all these
years from I've got pictures when I was there at
five years old, front of the bare cages. You know,
there's still that hill there, but no, what you guys
(15:13):
have done to turn that into a truly a botanical garden.
And then the education that comes out of those botanical gardens,
out of a botanical garden is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You know, It's it's got a synergy all its own,
you know, the combination of the animals and the botanical garden,
and then also kind of the renewal that this zoo
has been going through for the past fifteen years. Basically
it was we're the oldest, second oldest zoo in the
United States. All the infrastructure was kind of old and crumbling,
(15:45):
and Mark Fisher, or vice president of Sustainability and Facilities,
came in and started making everything very sustainable rebuilding, a
lot of the building shuffling things around. We hired an
architect who you know, the process. It's been kind of
a mixed thing because anytime you have a construction project,
(16:09):
you lose some old old horticulture, old gardens, you lose
old plants, tree might have to come down. But then
you've got a blank slate once the construction is done,
to come back in with the new gardens sometimes kind
of representing Asia or Africa or wherever, but also spaces
(16:32):
just to do more of our trialing, so our annuals
perennial shrubs, trees, putting in new plants using old good
ones that that we know will work in places where
we need them to work, especially with shade trees that
are so important. But you know, it just all that
combined kind of happening together. More awareness at the zoo
(16:58):
in general of the important of a botanical garden. It's
led to some really good stuff there is.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And in course I think the trial gardens, which I
think is interesting. I mean, you could always go there
and I used to always tell folks this was way
back when when you go to the Cincinnati Botanical Gardens,
and I say that all the time, it's the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical garden, but I think the botanical part
should be first. But when you go there, I always
used to say, take your camera so you can take pictures,
(17:26):
and a notebook so you can write down things. Well,
you don't have to do that anymore because you've got
your cell phone and everything's labeled, so you can just
take a picture of it with the label and you
got it. But you can go through there and see
so many great plants that you like, and it's labeled
and you can take a picture of it, learn more
about it, and of course if they go to your
website where you've done these trials. But you think back,
how you guys have just changed that alone to make
(17:48):
it more educational for folks to walk through and subtly
be able to know what all those plants are, and
then all of a sudden to create the colors and
the spectacular looks, and folks just look at it like
you just did this really nice garden. But in essence,
what it is, it's a trial garden, right that you
guys are doing to trial new annuals and perennials and
(18:10):
things like that. And there are all things that folks
can find at the garden centers and nurseries down the road.
Then you actually do the trials and then you actually
put the list together, and that's where folks can go
to your website at cincinnatizoo dot org and learn about
all these best of for how long ten years back?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh well, I've been there fifteen years. We've been doing
it that whole time. And I believe to a lesser
degree with especially with the annuals trialing that that has
gone back to two thousand and two, believe it or not. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, and even containers, yeah, even things growing at containers.
So you find out what's And I look back and
I think, to me, what really got the big jump start,
and maybe I'm wrong, was when you started planning all
the tulips.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That you know that is a big crowd, brings in
a lot of people. And when you have those tulip displays,
when those come out, you have to backfill with something,
what are you gonna do. You're gonna do annuals because
you know you're coming back in with tulips the following year.
So that's been just a beautiful process. The tulips are
(19:18):
so popular and you know, before I worked at the zoo,
I like tulips. I didn't plant any myself. But when
you go there and you see one hundred thousand tulips
and that saturated color, especially for evening or morning events
when the back lighting is there, that is simply breathtaking.
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It is just about as beautiful a display as you
can get.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And in addition to the one hundred thousand tulip bulbs
that you have, there are a million daffodils crocus bulbs
scattered throughout the rest of the botanical garden. Yeah, so
the tulips and mass are spectacular, but the whole botanical
garden has all kinds of spring flowering bulbs scattered everywhere.
They come back year after year. Right, It's unbelievable. That's
(20:06):
why I was going to say, if you're within distance
of the driving distance, or if you're ever in Cincinnati,
you gotta put them on your bucket list. It's a
great place to go. We're going to spend more time
with Scott beer Line after the break here in the
garden with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (22:21):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson's special
guests this morning in studio. In house is Scott Beerline
from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden Zoo, an absolutely wonderful website,
Cincinnati Zoo dot org. I just wish they'd had that
Cincinnati botanicald be so nice, and I do I you know,
Christina and all whoever did the marketing had the one
(22:44):
printed ad that said every April we turned into the
Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo you made my life. I'm
gonna I've been saving this, Gonna put it in a
frame and put it on my office because that's been
my whole thing all along. And I get it because
obviously the animals cute. Anybody relates to the the animal's
Fiona and all that stuff. So yeah, but but you know,
(23:06):
it is the Botanical Garden. And I always you guys
always kid about folks that come in and want to
know where the botanical gardens are.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Every now and then you get a question, it is
a botanical garden. You are in it look around.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's what you got talking with Scott beer lyon Cincinnati
Botanical Garden Zoo. And of course we're taking your calls.
Scott's uh, Scott knows more than I do when it
comes to horticulture. So you know, we we got a
couple of people. You're going to answer your questions again.
An eight hundred and eight two three eight two five five.
We were talking earlier about the programs he put together
in this best of thing, which I think is absolutely
outstanding in garden centers, landscapers. Anybody can print that out.
(23:44):
It's a great thing to give to the to their
customers as a reference. But these are plants that you
guys have looked at growing through the year and then
are evaluated by whom.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Mostly well, it's it's pretty much the whole apartment. But
Kira back runs the whole annual annuals trialing. Other people
do more on the perennials and things, but the annuals
Trialing is our biggest one and the best example to
talk about. And you know, Kira and her team, they
(24:19):
do such a good job of getting all that material
out there and doing it. It's kind of amazing because
people think it looks so good. Oh, this was designed
all winter long and figured out it doesn't work that way.
The plants come in. We have somewhere around six hundred,
seven hundred varieties, sixty thousand plants. They're grown in a
(24:41):
very fairly small greenhouse from plugs up to four inch
or six inch plants. And when those plants are ready
whenever that is, and that time frame in the spring,
that's when they get put on a cart and hauled
out into the gardens. And so the design takes place
on the fly and she's matching up you know, growing conditions,
(25:05):
sun shape, all of that, and matching it with color combinations,
and she pulls it out every year. It's just an
amazing process. Then as they're growing through the season, we're
looking at them and seeing what performs well for our trialing.
We tend to be on the conservative side, where you know,
(25:26):
we one year is probably not enough for us to
go and put it on some lists somewhere. We may
talk about it, we may mention that it was really
good this year, we're excited to try it next year.
But for our true best of lists, those are ones
that we know perform multiple years really well. Very reliable.
We want people to have success when they look at
our lists and put those plants in their gardens.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Do old names continue to show up on new lists?
Absolutely good, So the old ones don't get tossed out. Right,
If you're still performing with the new guys, you're still there. Yeah,
I mean Steve Foltz always has mystic dally on there, Alice,
you can always count a mystic value, definitely, And it's
such a great what's your favorite mystic value?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah? Mine too, Oh, isn't it? Yeah? I just love
that plant. Come on, I've got our list of the
plants that that they're looking at for our best of
list this year right at the top because it's an
a word angel Angelonia angel face white, which has been
out a million years. Unbelievable, you know, great plant.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I have noticed, I don't know if you've noticed this
now in catalogs signage suppliers are changing that to summer
sun dragon or snap dragon.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah. Yeah, and it's tripping me up.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, you know what, I looked back many years ago
when Angelonia first came on the market, no way knew
what angelonia was, and there's still a lot of folks don't.
And I always described it as it's it's kind of
like a snap dragon. Yeah, but it's tougher and more
durable and upright, and the colors are spectacular summer long,
all summer long. I mean, snaps are pretty tough. Yeah,
but I always referred to it as a snap drag.
(27:00):
I can like annual. And I don't know if that's why.
There's not because of me, but I'm just saying, because
it's because of you. No, But I'm yeah, right, you know,
is that because isn't a summer snapdragon? Know what they're
saying now?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's actually no, I think about it,
you know, I get tripped up because it's a new
new word, you know, and I have to remember that now. Yeah,
but that is a great description of the plant. And
the way is the way you use it in the garden.
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I remember the first time I planted angelonia west side
container plants always wielded down. I couldn't keep things, you know,
so I'm always holding nine yards. I put Perilla mcgilla,
remember that one. I always looked Perila mcgilla. I put
Liis Machia goldilocks on the bottom, and I put Angelonia
in there. I never I mean I did have to water,
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but not very often. It's a tough place. Those were
three plants that just shined, you know, yeah, unbelievable, especially
the angelonia. That was the first that we really had
started to see angelonia. And now today they've got the
uprights and smaller ones that kind of weep over hanging baskets,
so many, the whole series of angelonias. But they are
talk about sun and durable. Yeah, and they don't recede. No,
(28:14):
Some snaps used to come back. Snaps used to come
back from the roots, went back in the year, in
a warmer year, in a warmer winter. Sometimes you'd have
that happen. But Angelonia, I'm glad to see that on
the list. That's that's a tough plant. Yeah, yeah, what
else you're see it?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, I can't get away from begonias. And apparently
this list was put together by Kira in her group,
so I only saw it just a few weeks ago.
But begonias, I mean, I'm well well well past my
plants and up stage you know where I would have
looked at Pegoonia and say, oh, you know, that's so
(28:49):
commonly used. But it's so commonly used because it's so
reliable and good, you're going to have success with it
and sun shade.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
All right, now, I'm gonna have to ask you this.
Somebody says, how do I take care of my hibiscus?
I have to say, what type of hibiscus is?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes? Right, so we're talking about pagonias. I'm talking the
wax types, right, and but.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Sure, the old well some of the riggers. I mean,
Grandma used to take those inside as a house plant,
you know, we always have that one or two. But
wax magonias are the old stand by, old standbys. But
they've been coming out with new ones, you know, bigger ones.
The colors are more or less the same.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's always red, rose or well sure or white, you know,
just the dark foliage types offsetting that that white flower.
I love that. One of the new ones, I say,
pretty new just a few years now is the Stone
Stonehenge series, which are bigger than even the whoppers and
the bigs. And you know, when I think of these things,
(29:49):
I think of like those impossible spots like dense shade,
go ahead and put something in, but also for big landscapes,
put a mass of them together and and you can
do that, especially with the bigger types. You know, just
if you want to fill space with color, there you
go sun or shade. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Really I remember Toyota over on the Creek.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Road Coop Cooper Road.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yes, used to have those real long beautiful as we
planted those, there was like two or three thousand wax
but go yeah, full sun bacon like crazy, and they
always looked spectacular.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah. And they don't need a lot of water, nope,
you know, just just produce. Yeah. Oh that's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, anything else stowed outistic Dalia.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Actually you brought up the riggers, uh the what is
it Solenia series and oh yeah yellow really good value
as you mentioned, Yeah, there's some values on the list.
We had a bad year with Dalias in the beginning
of the year when it was so wet the weather
was Yeah, and then they came along after it tried
(30:55):
out and boyded it try out this summer. But Kira
and her crew are really excited about uh, well, Mystic Fantasy.
So the whole Mystic series is pretty good, right, you know,
dark foliage, beautiful flowers, and then they're looking at Venti
Fireburst is a good one. Venti Venti Fireburst Vente series.
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You have Fireburst.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, you know, I think I've been in this business
a long time, longer a lot of people. But anyway,
thinking back when I was in high school in the
garden centers when you got annuals in and looking at
the garden centers today, when you walk in there and
you look at all those annuals that are out there,
and the perennials too, and the shrubs too, but you know,
perennials and annuals, your head just spins it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, it can be overwhelming, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And you have the proven winners, and you have the
all the different branded names that are out there. Yeah,
and then you see them all and they're marketed, and wow,
it's just whoa. Your choices today are phenomenal. And that's
where something like this comes in handy because now you've
got those on trial. In the trials, you know, you
(32:00):
eat them all the same, and whether the weather's bad
or the weather's good. And look how those recovered. We're
able to see that, even know they look bad the
days came back. That's where your trial gardens come in
great because here they are all are Take a look,
and this is how they're going to perform in your
backyard as well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It is really gratifying to walk through the zoo and
see people taking pictures of labels of the plants they like,
whether you know, across the gamut, annuals, perennials, whatever, trees
and shrubs, and know that we're having an influence, you know,
and especially with those the pamphlet series that we put
(32:38):
out which is online, to have horticulture professors send me
thirty of those. Please, you know, landscape companies, can we
want these in our trucks. It's really cool and we
put a lot of effort into those to make sure
that it's good information. It's not you know, flash in
(33:01):
the pan type plants or or you know, just whatever
is hot. It's what's we've planted. We've grown in pretty
normal conditions, not doing anything you know, unusual.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Soil is pretty good in places mostly it is. That's
not a good job, and that's the.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Key to gardening anyway, you know, the homeowners and planter
as happy as the soil exactly got exactly. But we're
not you know, going we're not acidifying soil to try
to please you know, rhododendrons. They're just not on our list,
you know, except for maybe one or two that do
pretty well here. So yeah, we're trying pretty hard, and
I hope people take advantage of that work.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No matter where you live, you should come and check.
This should be on the bucket list, Seriously, I'm not.
It's the greenest zoo in the world. It's easy to
say that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean, sixty five percent of our energy comes from
the solar panels that we have in our parking lot.
The whole place is green and shaded and just packed
with plants. You'd catch all the runoff water. We big
task below.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
There's the botanical guards that you don't even see. No,
you know, the parking lots and things like that. You
don't even know that they're there. No things that you do.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's just it captures the water and puts it in
uh you know the water features right zoo and right
some of our irrigation.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
In drinking phones. No, just canting, just kidding. Right by
the way, they're not walking through the zoo and taking
pictures of those plants and their labels, are walking through
the botanical garden. Eight hundred and eight two three eight
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You think he's twenty, I bet he's more like twenty seven,
maybe twenty eight, twenty eight maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, that's just twenty eight with the maturity level of fourteen.
Ron Rothis that was Scott Beerline. That was not me.
It was right. He got me with a good joke
a couple of weeks ago. Oh well it was minor,
did you say, I still do? You see pictures of
him learning how to be a camel jockey no, I
have not seen those pictures. Oh yeah, Ron on a
(38:08):
camel learning how to race a camel. Oh that's scary.
They're only like fifteen feet high.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, he had a picture, was talk about scary. It
was of both of just so you can see the
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Speaker 2 (38:25):
There's so many things we could say.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And there you go talking with Scott Beier. Like Cincinnati, Yeah,
that's it, Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo or some know
it as the Zoo and Botanical Garden website Cincinnati zoo
dot org. Their best of lists, their top picks are
on there, and you can be sure and check those
out because they are absolutely wonderful reference lists for you
if you're looking for a medium, small shrub, large tree,
(38:50):
whatever may be. These are things that they've tested in
their botanical garden and highly recommend them. And they do
this every year and update it all the time, so
be sure and check it out. You guys also got
into as the concern came with the butterflies, the pollinators,
the bees and all. Then you started focusing on pollinator
plants and pollinator gardens. I remember when you started doing
(39:13):
that shift over. You did that first garden where you
walked in the entrance to the right, there had the
tanks and the recycling tanks and you planted all kinds
of pollinator plants in there and starting to bring the
focus around to that and man, has dad exploded for
you guys, And what you did about how you raided
those pollinators with the kids and the cameras was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
There's such a good story with that. One of the
sod that was a buzz troop and we were doing
pollinator gardens before anybody even called them that. But that
was started by Deb Zurich, who we had the volunteins
coming in fourteen year old ish that were volunteer in
the summer, and you know, what would you do with them?
(39:58):
What's a cool project to do? And Deb Zurich, our
manager at the time, started a bus troop. Give them
a camera, send them out there, have them take pictures
of pollinators on plants. Start to kind of collect some
of that data, which plants did really good. Bog on
a flower, take a picture of it. Now, let me
tell you a story that's really cool about that, because
(40:19):
there was a young teenage girl who really took to that,
really had got really interested in insects in pioneers and
she did that for two or three years and then
actually went into pre med at Miami University, but she
(40:41):
came back for a summer job with us as a
seasonal help, you know, her freshman sophomore year. And she
still had that interest, you know, that was there, and
she was working at the Rockdale Garden and she would
do you know, normal garden tasks, but also keep an
eye on what's pony what And she found that well,
(41:02):
first of all, she found on our scutlaria in cana,
which is a a what is it hoary skullcap terrible name.
Discovered that a certain bumblebee, northern golden bumblebee, which is
maybe endangered, very very rare, was visiting the gardens first
of all, which was unexpected, but then almost exclusively on
(41:26):
that plant. You know, it would be on no other
plant in the garden. It would be on scutllar area
every time. And you know, that's kind of cool citizen science.
She's put it out on an eye naturalist and actually
I want to get her to do a blog on
that and get that out there. But it's those little
(41:48):
things you're learning with the pollinators there's so it's such
a big world and just getting to know that there's
associations between this insect and that plant. You know, what
was that bumblebee feeding on when scuttle area wasn't in bloom?
Ready to go? What to do? You know, it's it's
really fascinating. I think we're only scratching the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
What does it do? I don't know what is that?
We saw it on some Salvius. I mean, isn't that interesting?
So what else does it do? I mean we're obviously
goes somewhere else, right, enjoy something else? But yeah, that's cool,
And I got the kids involved, of course. Now you've
got your pollinator program, yes as well. Let's take a
break top of the hour. We're gonna talk more with
Scott beer Line. He's gonna stick with us for the
(42:28):
rest of the show. I will talk more with Scott
with this pollinator program, how you can get involved with that.
More of the best ups. And then I've got a well,
I got the little list here, Scott. We're gonna do
us the Lightning round. Oh boy, well, Scott beer Line,
where you get to tell us what you like the
best of two choices.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh that's terrible. Oh no, this will be a good one.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Okay, and and uh and a whole lot more and
taking your calls all right. So, if you've got a
question or tip you'd like to share during all this conversation,
we're here for you. Eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Green,
(43:16):
tom or not.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Ron can help at one eight hundred eighty two three talk.
This is in the Garden with Ron Wilson.
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