February 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Ron talks to Noelle Johnson. Also, Gary Sullivan joins in with his usual chat.
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Our toll free number, same as it is every weekend.
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Good morning.
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about
yard ning. You know, we have been faced over the
last several years now with some pretty extended many of
us have extended drought periods. And if you think back
to our last two falls through the Midwest here in specifically,
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we are our base station here and all you know,
we've gone through some really dry summers. We've gone through
some really hot and dry falls as well, And of
course the question then becomes, you know, how can I
be a better gardener? It's hard to keep all these
things watered and alive and looking good if we're always
faced with these drought situations. Well, guess what, I found
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a book for you that's filled with all kinds of
great tips on how you can create the water smart garden.
As a matter of fact, that's the name of the book,
The Water Smart Garden Techniques and Strategies for Conserving, capturing,
and efficiently using water in today's climate and tomorrow's as well,
written by Noel Johnson. Her website is azplant Lady dot com.
(01:42):
She's a horticulturist, a landscape consultant, garden writer, and she's
popularly known as the Asy Plant Lady. Is in Arizona
and of course has been doing this thing about water
smart gardening for years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
She knows her.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Stuff, and she's with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Hey, our pleasure. We appreciate you being on with us.
So folks understand, first of all, why do you know
so much about drought gardening.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I grew up in California, which suffers throughout periodically, and
so that was something I always grew up with. Yet
I was surrounded by beauty in the garden, and then
I moved to Arizona, which has more than rocks and cactus.
We have lots of beautiful plants as well. But drought
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is a fact of life throughout the Southwest off and on.
But surprisingly it's also present throughout many parts of the country.
And I'm fortunate to do quite a bit of garden
travel through the Midwest, and I have seen some amazing
outdoor spaces with a lot of water smart techniques used
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in the Midwest, and that's something that we can all
look at implementing certain strategies, some of them are very easy.
And water is something that we can't just not think
about when we just turn on the hose and not
think about an ever ending supply, because less than one
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percent of the world's water is available for our use.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Wow, that's a that kind of brings it all home
when you think about that and what's not available out
there for us to use. And of course all of
our plants and us included, all so dependent on the
rainfall in the water. And I don't know if you
heard earlier, we've been faced with that the last two
or three years here for us, especially going into the
fall and into the winter season, which is horrible, being
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extremely extremely dry, and it's really weird. I don't know
if you've seen the weather this morning, but in the
Midwest we are looking at like Kentucky, they're looking like
four inches of rainfall today. I mean, we're just going
to get hammerd with rain. And sometimes and you probably
find this happens too. You get a really good rainfall
that comes through and really saturate and then we don't
get any for a long time, and folks are like, well,
(04:05):
I don't need the water. We got two inches of
rainfall three weeks ago and you're like, well, that was
three weeks, three weeks ago. That has nothing to do
with today.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It doesn't. And you know, drought can be short term
as well. Yes, it doesn't have to be decades through years.
It can be very short term. Your plans are not
necessarily going to be fine waiting to three weeks, especially
in as the warmer weather hits without water and you know,
whether it's doing all kinds of crazy things all over
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the country, and it's not as predictable as it used
to be, which is another reason why we want to
create resilient gardens. We want to make sure that they're
going to be able to handle these extremes. And I
know it sounds kind of funny talking about it right
now in winter, but you know a lot of us
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are spending time going outdoors of water during our garden
in the middle of summer, and if is it a
hot day, if the mosquitoes are out, you know, there's
things you'd rather be doing than So there's definitely things
that you can can do, and you can start the
planning process now so that as spring comes you can
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start to make some real changes.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And of course, if you're looking to make those changes.
I have the book that has all the tips. It's
called The Water Smart Garden Techniques and Strategies for Conserving, capturing,
and efficiently using water in Today's climate. And I like it,
we said, and tomorrow's because you're exactly right. Noel Johnson
is the author and she is with us this morning.
Her website is aasyplant Lady dot com. Be sure and
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check that out as well. So as I look at this,
I think it's, you know, interesting. We first of all,
I think addressing like water runoff and you know, and
of course now we want to try to conserve that
and keep it on the property. You address two things here.
One is of course rain barrels collecting the water and
also rain gardens.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yes, so rainwater is free. And what many of us
don't consider is when rain flows down the street, you know,
it runs off the streets, collecting pollutants and all of
those things, and then it runs into our watershed. So
you could capture all that rain, and the first way
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you can think of doing it is what we would
call active water harvesting, and a rain barrel is a
great way to do that. It is your rain gutters
direct water into the rain barrel, and at the bottom
of the rain barrel there's a little figot where you
can attach a hose and you can use that water
to irrigate your plants later when it's dry. Rain barrels
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also have this cool little thing at the top called
an overflow, so when they fill up all the way,
then then you know the water will flow, so you're
not going to worry about it flooding over or anything
like that. And it is very nice and rain water
is the best kind of water you can add to
your plants. It's better than what comes out of your
hose or your irrigation system. And then we have another
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method called passive water harvesting, and that means what we're
going to do is we're going to move the earth.
We're going to create berms and swales in the landscape
that directs the water that comes off of the rain
gutter and it can direct it around certain types of plants.
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And one way to do this is creating a rain garden.
And rain gardens are a shallow depression that you that
captures the water and it is planted and so it
allows the water to filter down into the soil and
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the goal is it's going to do it within twenty
four hours, so we don't get those mosquitos we don't want,
but it could be a very beautiful feature of your landscape.
And in my book, I have a whole section of
how to create win.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, and again we're with Noel Johnson. The name
of her book is The Water Smart Garden. Great techniques
and here and tips for you to make your gardening
so you don't spend so much time out there watering
and your plants are much more successful. And we're all
faced with more and more seams, like more and more
drought situations all the time. This book has some great tips.
(08:30):
We talked about saving the water the rain, collecting the
rain water, and you're right. You can go out there
water all day along with a hose. You get one
good rainfall that comes through and your plant looks ten
times better then then when you water with the hose.
Good old mother nature.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Mother nature is just great. And you know when the rain,
the rain captures the nitrogen in the atmosphere and so
your plants get a little healthy dose of fertilizer as well.
All naturally.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Now, when we look at our landscapes and we'll also
talk about the vegetable garden because you address the vegetable garden,
which I'm glad you did in this because you know,
again you know, trying to keep that water and then vegetables,
fruits and berries all need a sufficient amount of moisture
to produce. One of the things that you address in here,
and I think our standing job is building a drought
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resistant soil and how important that is.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It is. And you know, soil is first of all,
the best water bank you can have. It's great at
keeping water and you know, for over a long period
of time for your plants. But if you have sandy
soils or clay soils, that can be difficult to provide
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the right amount of water. So a drought resilient soil.
What we do with that is sandy soils are going
to drain very quickly. They're not going to keep water
around the roots of the plants very long, right, Soil
tend to stay wet for a lot longer, and that
can also not be that great for plants either because
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they don't want their roots wet all the time. So
we have this very wonderful thing that we can do
to help create drought resilient soil, and that's compost. It's
a humble ingredient, but it is miraculous in what it
does for your plants and in your garden and the
application a compost. It helps increase the water holding capacity
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of sandy or soils, and with clay soil it helps
break it up a bit so it improves the soil
texture so that your soil holds onto the right amount
of moisture and that is key for a healthy plant.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Talking with Noel Johnson, the name of a book is
the Water Smart Garden. We've talked about collecting water. We've
talked about building a drought resistant soil. We'll also address
that when we come back from the break in the
vegetable garden and in raised beds one of my favorite ways,
and in container gardening as well. And we have a
lot more to talk about with her. Noel Johnson. Again,
the book is the Water Smart Garden. After the break,
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more questions with Noel. Here in the garden with Ron.
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Speaker 1 (14:24):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. We're
learning how to be a water smart gardener. And I'll
tell you what. I've got a book that has some
tips and techniques that really really can help you really
utilize the water and be a water smart gardener. It
is called The Water Smart Garden, written by Noel Johnson.
She is with us this morning. We're kind of walking
through some of the things that you can do, but
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this book is absolutely loaded with a bazillion tips on
just to be smarter when it comes to figuring out
to make your garden a water smart garden. And it's
a it's a really cool I really appreciate the book,
and it was a fun read. By the way. You
cover a lot of topics in here, but it was interesting.
I like to just sound and go read through the book.
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I mean I start at the beginning and I read
the whole book. This is a it was easy to
do again with and in a lot of great information
as well, so very well written.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh thank you. You know, sometimes people make gardening so
complicated and so I'm always trying to break it down
into simple and easy steps.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, and you did it here, and of course you
have some great charts for us to follow. Trees and
shrubs that they are drought tolerant at that And speaking
of which you, I thought this was great and I
earmark this because otherwise you address the fact what does
drought tolerant really mean when it comes to plants, because
you know, you read that on the sign drought tolerant, Uh,
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what's it really mean?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And you know there's a lot so people think and
if you look at the word drought tolerant, it means
will you can plant it and you don't have to
water it?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, we get that all the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's really a misleading term. And so I think what
is a better descriptive terms low water, meaning that it's
going to need water. But it's not what we would
call a thirsty plant. It's one that either is usually
native to where it's being used planted, or it's from
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a region native to a region that has very similar
conditions in terms of weather and rain. So a drought
tolerant plant is one that can go longer periods without
watering compared to those that need it. Fairly often throughout
tolerant plants often have a smaller leaf you know, plants
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lose water through their leafs, so the smaller the leaf,
the less surface area, and the less water they're going
to lose. Sometimes they'll have a grayish or a silvery
tint to them as well, and oftentimes there's little teeny
tiny hairs on the surface that help prevent water loss
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as well. But just because something's just drought tolerant does
not mean that you can plant it and forget it.
Especially if you're not getting rain. You're going to need
to provide some supplemental water, particularly at the beginning. Young
plants have a small root system and they're going to
need supplemental water to help them, you know, grow a
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more vigorous root zone. And at that point, you know
they won't need water quite as often.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Right, And I'm glad you addressed that today and of
course in your book as well, because you get that
all the time. Well, I didn't water it as much
because it said it was a drought tolerant plant. Well,
it is a drought tolerant plant once it gets usself established,
but in the meantime it needs a little bit of
water to get the kid going there. So talking with
Noel Johnson again, the name of the book, it's a
great one called the Water Smart garden, and it just
shows you ways and tips and techniques to become a
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more water wise gardener out there, and especially during the
drought situations which we continue to see more and more
of all the time. You brought up a thing in
here that I wrote that I read that I didn't.
I don't think I really realized it. But you talk
about how pruning actually adds to the plant's watering needs.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, and it's something people don't think about, you know. Yeah,
often we like to prune our We could prove for
health and for beauty, but sometimes we especially for plants,
if you're pruning them frequently, if you like more of
the formal shape of a shrub. Every time you pune
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a plant, you are removing some of its You're removing
it it's food source, you know. Plants use their foliage,
their leaves to produce food and energy for itself. And
when you prune it away, it's immediately going to release
hormones and it's going to stimulate a new growth to
replace what was lost. So your plant grows back faster.
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And if you hadn't proved it right then to help
that growth process, it's going to need more water. See
and that's a little bit can make it different.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Those are the type of tips that I and again
I didn't I guess I kind of, but I didn't
really think about that. But those are types of tips
that you're going to find in here that really does
help you become the water smart gardener and creating water
smart gardens. We're running out of time. I have so
many great questions. But you also get into uh, water
wise container gardening, which I think is outstanding. You talk
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about also the raised beds and how to be more
water efficient with those as well, which I love raised
bed guarding. And you have the wick beds, and you
have the keyhole gardens, which I think are really cool,
been around a long time. We should probably do that more.
One last thing I want to ask you though, and
we've got about about a minute ago, oie contain that
the oil is is That's why you pronounce that right?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Laka okay?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
SOA are earthenware containers kind of like terra cotta, and
it's an ancient watering practice that is being used now.
And they are buried in the ground and you'll leave
a little about an inch remaining above ground and you
fill them with water so you gig them and you
place them next to plants. You'll place a plant near
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the oia. You can also do it in stainer.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And it's I'd just think it ran out of time,
Noel Johnson. The name of the book is the water
Smart Garden visitor website asyplant Lady dot com. Outstanding book.
Appreciate you spending time with us this morning. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Thank you all right, take care, quick break, we come
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Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. That
is our number. Talking yardening on this post Valentine's Day Saturday,
And like I said earlier, you know, get out there.
I do. It's the day after the holiday. I'm not
being cheap or anything, but you go out there where
they've been selling Valentine's Day flowers, there's a good chance
you're gonna find a lot of that stuff on sale.
You can find orchids and African violets and theorems, and
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you know, miniature roses and things like that at good
prices that you would enjoy in the house for the
rest of the winter, maybe through the summer as well.
Planto's miniature roses outside when the weather breaks in the springtime.
But kind of scarf that stuff up, you never know.
And if you can find some hollow chocolate hearts or
something like that, don't forget you can make your sullies.
Just take the top off of that little bourbon trace,
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a little bourbon cream in the laugh of buffalo trace,
and then make your sully post Valentine's Day. So there
you go. I want to thank again Noel Johnson. She's
the author of the book for the day, is called
The Smart Garden. And you know, as we do see
more and more of these drought periods coming along as
we do like this. You know, last two or three
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falls have been pretty dry for us as well, and
during the summer as well, you know, And we want
to do landscaping, We want to do vegetable gardens, we
want to do the raised beds, we want to do
the container gardening. But you don't want to spend all
your time watering, and you want your plans to be successful.
And she you know is first hand experience obviously gardening
in California and in Arizona and where it stays dry
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a lot on how to be more water smart when
you're gardening. And the tips that are in here are
absolutely wonderful. I think you will pick up quite a few,
so be sure and check it out. And she's got
the wicker raised beds, and you know that I think
this is the first time I've seen where it was.
Actually you can learn more about these, But if you're
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familiar with earth boxes or planter boxes where they've got
the water reservoir in the bottom and you fill that
up and then the water wix up through the bottom
into the root system of the soil and into the
root system of the plants that are growing on top,
well you can do that by building a wicked raised bed.
So you actually can raise make the raised beds and
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have that reservoir in the bottom using a pond liner
and create the same thing in your backyard with your
raised beds.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And like I say this, you know I've seen it.
I've looked at it on Facebook and for folks have
made their own. But pretty cool. If she's got everything
here that you need and of course, the keyhole gardens.
We've talked about those for years and they that actually
started to believe in Africa where they make these gardens
is shaped like a keyhole. Compost is in the center
of a planting area around the outside. You keep the
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compost going and keep that water and it keeps everything
else watered for you. But it's called a keyhole garden
and it shows you again instructions on how to make
a keyhole garden, which is pretty cool too. So it
addresses everything from container gardening to vegetable garden, to raise bedgardening,
to your regular landscape beds, perennial gardens and the lawn
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as well. The water smart Garden by Noe L. Johnson
and her website is Azplantlady dot com. That's as plant
lady dot com. So keep that in mind as well.
Talking about gardening, of course, get your plans in place
for the vegetable garden, for the landscape, for adding trees
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and screening plantings. Maybe this year get your name in
the pot. If you're looking for landscape design, landscape installation,
I'm telling you I talked to some of the landscape
a couple of landscape firms this week already, as soon
as the weather started to break a little bit, already
starting to get lots of calls, folks getting their names
in the pot to get things taken care of. You
wait much longer, you're not gonna be able to It's
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gonna be July before they're gonna get to you as
far as getting any kind of planting done. So get
your name in the pot. Now, get your plans in place.
Same thing with the tools. You know, you're cleaning the tools,
getting them. What do you need to buy this year
to add to your tool your toolbox for gardening tools,
you know, getting those ready. And how about the mower?
Have you had it serviced yet? Get that mower service
(27:11):
because you're running out of time. And again, as soon
as we start seeing spring around the corner, what's everybody
doing running the mowers to get them service, getting those
more blades sharpened, And the next thing you know, you
got a three week delay. All of a sudden, the
weather breaks, the grass is growing like a weed. And
guess what you don't have. You don't have a more
So make sure you get the mower service right away
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and sharpen those blades, get them an extra set of
sharp blades, so that you know, after you get to
somewhat through the spring season that you can switch out
the blades and have a nice set of sharp blades
to carry you through the summer. Get those old ones
sharpened so you can be getting into the fall. You
can switch those out and have a nice set of
sharp blades going into the fall season. If you could
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do that three times a year, if you do it
more often, would be great. But if you can do
that three times a year, have those laun more blades, Sharpen,
I give you double thumbs up. That gets you through
the spring, The next one gets you through the summer,
the next one gets you through the fall, and I
give you double thumbs up for doing that. Very very
important and very very important cultural practice when it comes
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to mowing the grass is having a very good sharp
blade as you're continuing to mow. So please keep that
in mind as well. Also as you're looking out there
right now, maybe as you're listening to our show and
you're looking out the window and the rain's coming down
or a little bit of snow or whatever it may be,
if you have grass growing around the base of your
trees that are planted in your yard. Maybe they're older
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trees or whatever it may be. Let's make a plan
over the next month or so to go out there
and remove the sod the soil of the grass around
the base of those trees. Make yourself a nice mault
ring around it. If you want to plant groundcover, runner
or whatever, that's great, but let's get the grass away
from the base of the plants, even if it's newly planted.
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You know, no tree newly planted trees should start out
with less than a four to six inch diameter mulch
bed around the base of that tree. Research has shown
that they grow better with less competition with the tree,
They'll grow faster and do a better job for you.
And by having the mulch on the top, you're adding
organic matter to the top, which eventually works its way
into the soil, all benefiting the tree and being more
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successful with the trees you're planning. So again, as you're
looking out in your landscape right now and you have
trees in your yard that has no mulch around them,
and it's all grass up to the base of the tree,
let's make a promise to ourselves. As soon as the
weather breaks and we can get out to start taking
care of that, to remove that grass and add multion.
When you do mulch around them, use a coarse mulch.
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I'm telling you a couple of workshops up workshops I've
been to already this winter, and we've been seeing this
coming along personal experience as well. The more coarse the bark,
the better off you are. And I know sometimes you'll
look at that you go, I really like that triple
quadruple shredded hardwood mulch because it's so easy to work with.
(30:05):
It's really fine, and it just lays. It looks good
now it does. But the problem with some of those
really fine mulches is that over time they start to
compact together and they actually stop letting oxygen, you know,
they stop letting the air movement oxygen CO two. They
stop that, they stop the water movement between the surface
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water and the soil water. It starts to become detrimental
by having these really fine shredded mulches. So the more
coarse the mulch, we're finding out, the better off for
the plants, wood chips, pine bark, pine straw, things like
that that again are more course and more open, more
(30:47):
porous to allow the air, the soil to breathe, and
the moisture to move back and forth. Still does a
job keeping the soil cooler, still does a job protecting
it in the winter, still does a job helping keep
the weeds down and all of that. But it's a
much better thing for you to do rather than those
really finely shredded hardwood mulch. If you like it, go
(31:08):
for it. But I'm telling you benefits for the plants
is much better with the other mulches. Quick break, We
come back. The Man, the Myth, the Legend. Oh wait,
before we we lost him, I didn't. I'm in another
studio this morning. I can barely see our screen. It's
off to my right. Didn't realize we had Matt on hold.
Matt calls back next week and I'll be sure and
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grab you first thing when I see you on the screen.
My apologies, all right, Quick break, We come back The Man,
the Myth, the Legend. A little home improvement from mister
Gary Sullivan here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Welcome back. You're in the garden. With Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website, it's Ron Wilson online dot com. Of
course Facebook page in the Garden with Wilson. Uh got
some great information on there for you, so be sure
and check out both of those. Now it is time
for the most listened to home improveman's show host in
the entire world, the entire Solar System. Yes, he is
the creator of the Sully. His website is Garysullivan Online
(34:18):
dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And mister Wilson. How we find you today?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We find me watching the weather, crazy stuff out.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
I know you're talking about a drought and we're gonna
get three inches of rain.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Come on, Oh, you know what they're saying in Paducah,
And I never realized paduca in that area gets it.
They get it hard with a lot of storms. They're
talking four inches of rain plus fill lakes. I think
the lakes were pretty close hearty being full.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Were they?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, they're saying this is that's a lot of rain.
So a lot of rain, a lot of rain.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
But you know, when I was I knew the forecast,
of course, and then when I heard you talking about
droughts and all that. I'm thinking, you know, the old
rain barrel would be great today. And that was your
next part of the conversation. So on spot as usual.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You'd found you. We'll fill that baby bad boy up.
But the problem is right now we usually have them
shut off. We aren't filling them.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Up, I know. So you know because we really can
open them up for about four hours.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Today about ten ten minutes or so. Yeah, crazy weather. Yeah,
well you know what's going to get there. There's nothing
we can do about it, that's for sure. Look at
the look out the window and deal with it.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
You know the phrase I'm going to hear all next week.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Garry got a leak in my basement? You know, it
only leaks when it rains hard. And how many times
have you heard that? I mean, everybody says.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
That it only leaks when it rains really hard.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's usually when it happens, you know, But
it leaks, it's not going to go away.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's a problem, but only when it rains hard.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Only when it rains hard. So if you wanted to
leak when it rains hard, I guess, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Just leave it alone, let it leak.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yeah, but if you're a little worried about it, it's
probably not going to go away.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So if I do have one of those you know
that you always see those paint sealers and all that stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah, does that stuff work? I mean look at.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah, you know all those things seilers. They can hold
back about ten pounds per square inch of water. That's
a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
But then the question is, and this is where people
get in trouble. It'll definitely stop the leak, just like
hydraulic cement expandable epoxy foams. People will pump those into cracks.
The issue is where's that water go? Then? And then
the question to ask yourself, because you know, you got
(36:56):
your finger in the dike. It's not leaking, but you
still got that water problem. So where did they go
on the foundation?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah? So where did they go from that point? Somehow,
somehow it's coming in a crack. So now it's somewhere
in the foundation.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Or it's just sitting there and it's going to crack again.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, so I'm saying it's city right, yeah, in that
foundation area.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And then maybe it goes away. I mean, maybe it
dries up and you get into one of the droughts
you're talking about, and then if you've got a lot
of limestone and you got clay soil, that's that dries out.
But I have to tell you some of that blue
clay and you know what I'm talking about. That stuff
never dries out, but it does start shrinking away from
(37:36):
the foundation and then you got less support. It's it's
not like I'm trying to scare anybody. It's like when
people say, hey, should I put some dry lock on there,
I say, you sure can, and it will stop it
from weeping in. And if it's just a little weep
and no crack, that's going to be wonderful. But if
you got a crack of waters flowing through it, you
(37:58):
got to patch the crack and then you put the
dry where's that water going? It always takes a path
least resistance. It's gonna win. Is that wall crack five
feet down the wall? Or do we get another drought
and you forget about it for a while. Who knows?
But they don't go away. The problems exist. They stay there.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So the answer is if water is leaking through, don't
try to fix it yourself.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Well, it's yeah, I mean really permanently. From a permanent standpoint,
that's very true. The real question is hear the term
waterproof all the time. I mean, boats are waterproof, right,
they float right. But at your house, it's really about
water control. It's not about water proofing. It's about water control.
(38:41):
So the problem's not on the inside the house, problems
on the outside the house, right, that's what people got
to keep in mind. So we're plugging the dyke and
that may work for a while, but the water's still
out there, and you know, you get dry spells, wet spells,
and it's like, somebody explain this to me one time,
and it made sense. It's like when you're standing on
the shore at the beach and you got your you know,
(39:05):
you're you're you're firmly planted in the sand, and the
waves start washing over your feet and another wave, and
all of a sudden, you just start settling into that sand. Now, granted,
our houses aren't built on sand, but we do dig
a hole and plan a house. And as that water
table's going up I'm not talking about the sidewall leaks,
(39:26):
but as the water table's going up and down and
up and down and up and down. Everything's just got
seddling a little bit, and the you know, the cracks
start happening, and it's a process. You know, it's a process.
And we just got to keep in mind about control
water control.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So do you have recent or current experience with that?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Me?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, the sand building up and shinking you down in there.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
No, not for a while. I go to beaches that
are real hard sand, a good foundation.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It's always important, uh, I get it.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
No soft sand for me.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
No castles made of sand fall into the sea. Eventually,
yes they do, yes they do. So ten bucks. You
tell me who sang that song?
Speaker 5 (40:11):
You know, I can.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I know that's why I made I was gonna make
it a hundred, but you know, didn't want to take
the chance. Jimmy Hendrix. There you go, one of your
least favorite artists out there.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
I know I'm want to hear him.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I love it. By the way, I'm thinking of you
again yesterday because walking through the candy aisle, you know,
there's not much in the Valentine aisle that's hollow chocolate,
you know, to make that Valentine, I didn't sully.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
For any I didn't shop for any chocolates.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
But as but as they were clearing off This is
the honestly goodness truth. As they were clearing off the
Valentine stuff, the cases of Easter stuff was already there,
so you could get started with a Sully Easter bunny
here within a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
You think they send that Valentine's chocolate melted down and
turned in Easter bunnies. No, I never thought that. I didn't,
But no, I don't. I don't think they would do that.
I don't think so either. No, I don't think so either.
But it sure sounds good.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes it does.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Did you have some chocolates? No?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I did not.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
You did not either?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Oh no, oh, I take it back. I had a
Recei's heart yesterday. Yeah. I was traveling and I didn't.
I didn't have dinner, so I just had a Receis
chocolate and a Gatorade.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Gave you a good pickup and go.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
It was a took care of it.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's good stuff.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
So you're going to find good stuff win this weekend. Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah? I like you know what, and you probably aren't
be talking about I. I like going in a post
of like Valentine's Day or whatever, because a lot of times.
If they sell flowers, you can find orchids and leftover,
you know, miniature roses and things a really good price
and give yourself some nice winter color. No, I'm a romantic, right,
Uh yeah, what'd you do?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Well? Sue and I we went in the store and
there's some orchids, really nice looking orchids. Don't want to.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Warm too much, I understand, right, But I looked at it,
and don't do the ice cube thing.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
No. I looked at my lovely wife and I picked
up this orkid.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
And she is lovely, by the way, I know, missus
put up with me for a long time.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, she has the took that orchid and I said, Sue,
happy Valentine's Day, and I handed it to her. She
looked at you. That's nice and I put my hand
back out. She put it in. I put it back
on a shelf. What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
That's my Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
You know you can tell when you've been married a
few years, because not only did I laugh, she thought
it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
She did, oh, yeah, oh that's even better. Well, if
that worked, that's great.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Then we went back to the meat department.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Go all right, all right, you got them all happened.
So what are you gonna talk about today?
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Rain? Rain, rain, and yeah, in control, that's exactly what
we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay, sure, yeah, all right, we'll have a good show.
You always do.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Come on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
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Speaker 2 (44:11):
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Our toll free number, same as it is every weekend.
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Good morning.
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about
yard ning. You know, we have been faced over the
last several years now with some pretty extended many of
us have extended drought periods. And if you think back
to our last two falls through the Midwest here in specifically,
(01:00):
we are our base station here and all you know,
we've gone through some really dry summers. We've gone through
some really hot and dry falls as well, And of
course the question then becomes, you know, how can I
be a better gardener? It's hard to keep all these
things watered and alive and looking good if we're always
faced with these drought situations. Well, guess what, I found
(01:21):
a book for you that's filled with all kinds of
great tips on how you can create the water smart garden.
As a matter of fact, that's the name of the book,
The Water Smart Garden Techniques and Strategies for Conserving, capturing,
and efficiently using water in today's climate and tomorrow's as well,
written by Noel Johnson. Her website is azplant Lady dot com.
(01:42):
She's a horticulturist, a landscape consultant, garden writer, and she's
popularly known as the Asy Plant Lady. Is in Arizona
and of course has been doing this thing about water
smart gardening for years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
She knows her.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Stuff, and she's with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Hey, our pleasure. We appreciate you being on with us.
So folks understand, first of all, why do you know
so much about drought gardening.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I grew up in California, which suffers throughout periodically, and
so that was something I always grew up with. Yet
I was surrounded by beauty in the garden, and then
I moved to Arizona, which has more than rocks and cactus.
We have lots of beautiful plants as well. But drought
(02:34):
is a fact of life throughout the Southwest off and on.
But surprisingly it's also present throughout many parts of the country.
And I'm fortunate to do quite a bit of garden
travel through the Midwest, and I have seen some amazing
outdoor spaces with a lot of water smart techniques used
(02:57):
in the Midwest, and that's something that we can all
look at implementing certain strategies, some of them are very easy.
And water is something that we can't just not think
about when we just turn on the hose and not
think about an ever ending supply, because less than one
(03:19):
percent of the world's water is available for our use.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Wow, that's a that kind of brings it all home
when you think about that and what's not available out
there for us to use. And of course all of
our plants and us included, all so dependent on the
rainfall in the water. And I don't know if you
heard earlier, we've been faced with that the last two
or three years here for us, especially going into the
fall and into the winter season, which is horrible, being
(03:45):
extremely extremely dry, and it's really weird. I don't know
if you've seen the weather this morning, but in the
Midwest we are looking at like Kentucky, they're looking like
four inches of rainfall today. I mean, we're just going
to get hammerd with rain. And sometimes and you probably
find this happens too. You get a really good rainfall
that comes through and really saturate and then we don't
get any for a long time, and folks are like, well,
(04:05):
I don't need the water. We got two inches of
rainfall three weeks ago and you're like, well, that was
three weeks, three weeks ago. That has nothing to do
with today.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It doesn't. And you know, drought can be short term
as well. Yes, it doesn't have to be decades through years.
It can be very short term. Your plans are not
necessarily going to be fine waiting to three weeks, especially
in as the warmer weather hits without water and you know,
whether it's doing all kinds of crazy things all over
(04:36):
the country, and it's not as predictable as it used
to be, which is another reason why we want to
create resilient gardens. We want to make sure that they're
going to be able to handle these extremes. And I
know it sounds kind of funny talking about it right
now in winter, but you know a lot of us
(04:58):
are spending time going outdoors of water during our garden
in the middle of summer, and if is it a
hot day, if the mosquitoes are out, you know, there's
things you'd rather be doing than So there's definitely things
that you can can do, and you can start the
planning process now so that as spring comes you can
(05:18):
start to make some real changes.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And of course, if you're looking to make those changes.
I have the book that has all the tips. It's
called The Water Smart Garden Techniques and Strategies for Conserving, capturing,
and efficiently using water in Today's climate. And I like it,
we said, and tomorrow's because you're exactly right. Noel Johnson
is the author and she is with us this morning.
Her website is aasyplant Lady dot com. Be sure and
(05:41):
check that out as well. So as I look at this,
I think it's, you know, interesting. We first of all,
I think addressing like water runoff and you know, and
of course now we want to try to conserve that
and keep it on the property. You address two things here.
One is of course rain barrels collecting the water and
also rain gardens.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yes, so rainwater is free. And what many of us
don't consider is when rain flows down the street, you know,
it runs off the streets, collecting pollutants and all of
those things, and then it runs into our watershed. So
you could capture all that rain, and the first way
(06:24):
you can think of doing it is what we would
call active water harvesting, and a rain barrel is a
great way to do that. It is your rain gutters
direct water into the rain barrel, and at the bottom
of the rain barrel there's a little figot where you
can attach a hose and you can use that water
to irrigate your plants later when it's dry. Rain barrels
(06:48):
also have this cool little thing at the top called
an overflow, so when they fill up all the way,
then then you know the water will flow, so you're
not going to worry about it flooding over or anything
like that. And it is very nice and rain water
is the best kind of water you can add to
your plants. It's better than what comes out of your
hose or your irrigation system. And then we have another
(07:12):
method called passive water harvesting, and that means what we're
going to do is we're going to move the earth.
We're going to create berms and swales in the landscape
that directs the water that comes off of the rain
gutter and it can direct it around certain types of plants.
(07:34):
And one way to do this is creating a rain garden.
And rain gardens are a shallow depression that you that
captures the water and it is planted and so it
allows the water to filter down into the soil and
(07:54):
the goal is it's going to do it within twenty
four hours, so we don't get those mosquitos we don't want,
but it could be a very beautiful feature of your landscape.
And in my book, I have a whole section of
how to create win.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, and again we're with Noel Johnson. The name
of her book is The Water Smart Garden. Great techniques
and here and tips for you to make your gardening
so you don't spend so much time out there watering
and your plants are much more successful. And we're all
faced with more and more seams, like more and more
drought situations all the time. This book has some great tips.
(08:30):
We talked about saving the water the rain, collecting the
rain water, and you're right. You can go out there
water all day along with a hose. You get one
good rainfall that comes through and your plant looks ten
times better then then when you water with the hose.
Good old mother nature.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Mother nature is just great. And you know when the rain,
the rain captures the nitrogen in the atmosphere and so
your plants get a little healthy dose of fertilizer as well.
All naturally.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Now, when we look at our landscapes and we'll also
talk about the vegetable garden because you address the vegetable garden,
which I'm glad you did in this because you know,
again you know, trying to keep that water and then vegetables,
fruits and berries all need a sufficient amount of moisture
to produce. One of the things that you address in here,
and I think our standing job is building a drought
(09:20):
resistant soil and how important that is.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It is. And you know, soil is first of all,
the best water bank you can have. It's great at
keeping water and you know, for over a long period
of time for your plants. But if you have sandy
soils or clay soils, that can be difficult to provide
(09:46):
the right amount of water. So a drought resilient soil.
What we do with that is sandy soils are going
to drain very quickly. They're not going to keep water
around the roots of the plants very long, right, Soil
tend to stay wet for a lot longer, and that
can also not be that great for plants either because
(10:07):
they don't want their roots wet all the time. So
we have this very wonderful thing that we can do
to help create drought resilient soil, and that's compost. It's
a humble ingredient, but it is miraculous in what it
does for your plants and in your garden and the
application a compost. It helps increase the water holding capacity
(10:31):
of sandy or soils, and with clay soil it helps
break it up a bit so it improves the soil
texture so that your soil holds onto the right amount
of moisture and that is key for a healthy plant.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Talking with Noel Johnson, the name of a book is
the Water Smart Garden. We've talked about collecting water. We've
talked about building a drought resistant soil. We'll also address
that when we come back from the break in the
vegetable garden and in raised beds one of my favorite ways,
and in container gardening as well. And we have a
lot more to talk about with her. Noel Johnson. Again,
the book is the Water Smart Garden. After the break,
(11:10):
more questions with Noel. Here in the garden with Ron.
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Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. We're
learning how to be a water smart gardener. And I'll
tell you what. I've got a book that has some
tips and techniques that really really can help you really
utilize the water and be a water smart gardener. It
is called The Water Smart Garden, written by Noel Johnson.
She is with us this morning. We're kind of walking
through some of the things that you can do, but
(14:45):
this book is absolutely loaded with a bazillion tips on
just to be smarter when it comes to figuring out
to make your garden a water smart garden. And it's
a it's a really cool I really appreciate the book,
and it was a fun read. By the way. You
cover a lot of topics in here, but it was interesting.
I like to just sound and go read through the book.
(15:06):
I mean I start at the beginning and I read
the whole book. This is a it was easy to
do again with and in a lot of great information
as well, so very well written.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh thank you. You know, sometimes people make gardening so
complicated and so I'm always trying to break it down
into simple and easy steps.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, and you did it here, and of course you
have some great charts for us to follow. Trees and
shrubs that they are drought tolerant at that And speaking
of which you, I thought this was great and I
earmark this because otherwise you address the fact what does
drought tolerant really mean when it comes to plants, because
you know, you read that on the sign drought tolerant, Uh,
(15:48):
what's it really mean?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And you know there's a lot so people think and
if you look at the word drought tolerant, it means
will you can plant it and you don't have to
water it?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, we get that all the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's really a misleading term. And so I think what
is a better descriptive terms low water, meaning that it's
going to need water. But it's not what we would
call a thirsty plant. It's one that either is usually
native to where it's being used planted, or it's from
(16:23):
a region native to a region that has very similar
conditions in terms of weather and rain. So a drought
tolerant plant is one that can go longer periods without
watering compared to those that need it. Fairly often throughout
tolerant plants often have a smaller leaf you know, plants
(16:45):
lose water through their leafs, so the smaller the leaf,
the less surface area, and the less water they're going
to lose. Sometimes they'll have a grayish or a silvery
tint to them as well, and oftentimes there's little teeny
tiny hairs on the surface that help prevent water loss
(17:07):
as well. But just because something's just drought tolerant does
not mean that you can plant it and forget it.
Especially if you're not getting rain. You're going to need
to provide some supplemental water, particularly at the beginning. Young
plants have a small root system and they're going to
need supplemental water to help them, you know, grow a
(17:27):
more vigorous root zone. And at that point, you know
they won't need water quite as often.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Right, And I'm glad you addressed that today and of
course in your book as well, because you get that
all the time. Well, I didn't water it as much
because it said it was a drought tolerant plant. Well,
it is a drought tolerant plant once it gets usself established,
but in the meantime it needs a little bit of
water to get the kid going there. So talking with
Noel Johnson again, the name of the book, it's a
great one called the Water Smart garden, and it just
shows you ways and tips and techniques to become a
(17:56):
more water wise gardener out there, and especially during the
drought situations which we continue to see more and more
of all the time. You brought up a thing in
here that I wrote that I read that I didn't.
I don't think I really realized it. But you talk
about how pruning actually adds to the plant's watering needs.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, and it's something people don't think about, you know. Yeah,
often we like to prune our We could prove for
health and for beauty, but sometimes we especially for plants,
if you're pruning them frequently, if you like more of
the formal shape of a shrub. Every time you pune
(18:37):
a plant, you are removing some of its You're removing
it it's food source, you know. Plants use their foliage,
their leaves to produce food and energy for itself. And
when you prune it away, it's immediately going to release
hormones and it's going to stimulate a new growth to
replace what was lost. So your plant grows back faster.
(19:00):
And if you hadn't proved it right then to help
that growth process, it's going to need more water. See
and that's a little bit can make it different.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Those are the type of tips that I and again
I didn't I guess I kind of, but I didn't
really think about that. But those are types of tips
that you're going to find in here that really does
help you become the water smart gardener and creating water
smart gardens. We're running out of time. I have so
many great questions. But you also get into uh, water
wise container gardening, which I think is outstanding. You talk
(19:31):
about also the raised beds and how to be more
water efficient with those as well, which I love raised
bed guarding. And you have the wick beds, and you
have the keyhole gardens, which I think are really cool,
been around a long time. We should probably do that more.
One last thing I want to ask you though, and
we've got about about a minute ago, oie contain that
the oil is is That's why you pronounce that right?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Laka okay?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
SOA are earthenware containers kind of like terra cotta, and
it's an ancient watering practice that is being used now.
And they are buried in the ground and you'll leave
a little about an inch remaining above ground and you
fill them with water so you gig them and you
place them next to plants. You'll place a plant near
(20:17):
the oia. You can also do it in stainer.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And it's I'd just think it ran out of time,
Noel Johnson. The name of the book is the water
Smart Garden visitor website asyplant Lady dot com. Outstanding book.
Appreciate you spending time with us this morning. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Thank you all right, take care, quick break, we come
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Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. That
is our number. Talking yardening on this post Valentine's Day Saturday,
And like I said earlier, you know, get out there.
I do. It's the day after the holiday. I'm not
being cheap or anything, but you go out there where
they've been selling Valentine's Day flowers, there's a good chance
you're gonna find a lot of that stuff on sale.
You can find orchids and African violets and theorems, and
(23:24):
you know, miniature roses and things like that at good
prices that you would enjoy in the house for the
rest of the winter, maybe through the summer as well.
Planto's miniature roses outside when the weather breaks in the springtime.
But kind of scarf that stuff up, you never know.
And if you can find some hollow chocolate hearts or
something like that, don't forget you can make your sullies.
Just take the top off of that little bourbon trace,
(23:47):
a little bourbon cream in the laugh of buffalo trace,
and then make your sully post Valentine's Day. So there
you go. I want to thank again Noel Johnson. She's
the author of the book for the day, is called
The Smart Garden. And you know, as we do see
more and more of these drought periods coming along as
we do like this. You know, last two or three
(24:08):
falls have been pretty dry for us as well, and
during the summer as well, you know, And we want
to do landscaping, We want to do vegetable gardens, we
want to do the raised beds, we want to do
the container gardening. But you don't want to spend all
your time watering, and you want your plans to be successful.
And she you know is first hand experience obviously gardening
in California and in Arizona and where it stays dry
(24:31):
a lot on how to be more water smart when
you're gardening. And the tips that are in here are
absolutely wonderful. I think you will pick up quite a few,
so be sure and check it out. And she's got
the wicker raised beds, and you know that I think
this is the first time I've seen where it was.
Actually you can learn more about these, But if you're
(24:52):
familiar with earth boxes or planter boxes where they've got
the water reservoir in the bottom and you fill that
up and then the water wix up through the bottom
into the root system of the soil and into the
root system of the plants that are growing on top,
well you can do that by building a wicked raised bed.
So you actually can raise make the raised beds and
(25:12):
have that reservoir in the bottom using a pond liner
and create the same thing in your backyard with your
raised beds.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And like I say this, you know I've seen it.
I've looked at it on Facebook and for folks have
made their own. But pretty cool. If she's got everything
here that you need and of course, the keyhole gardens.
We've talked about those for years and they that actually
started to believe in Africa where they make these gardens
is shaped like a keyhole. Compost is in the center
of a planting area around the outside. You keep the
(25:45):
compost going and keep that water and it keeps everything
else watered for you. But it's called a keyhole garden
and it shows you again instructions on how to make
a keyhole garden, which is pretty cool too. So it
addresses everything from container gardening to vegetable garden, to raise bedgardening,
to your regular landscape beds, perennial gardens and the lawn
(26:06):
as well. The water smart Garden by Noe L. Johnson
and her website is Azplantlady dot com. That's as plant
lady dot com. So keep that in mind as well.
Talking about gardening, of course, get your plans in place
for the vegetable garden, for the landscape, for adding trees
(26:27):
and screening plantings. Maybe this year get your name in
the pot. If you're looking for landscape design, landscape installation,
I'm telling you I talked to some of the landscape
a couple of landscape firms this week already, as soon
as the weather started to break a little bit, already
starting to get lots of calls, folks getting their names
in the pot to get things taken care of. You
wait much longer, you're not gonna be able to It's
(26:49):
gonna be July before they're gonna get to you as
far as getting any kind of planting done. So get
your name in the pot. Now, get your plans in place.
Same thing with the tools. You know, you're cleaning the tools,
getting them. What do you need to buy this year
to add to your tool your toolbox for gardening tools,
you know, getting those ready. And how about the mower?
Have you had it serviced yet? Get that mower service
(27:11):
because you're running out of time. And again, as soon
as we start seeing spring around the corner, what's everybody
doing running the mowers to get them service, getting those
more blades sharpened, And the next thing you know, you
got a three week delay. All of a sudden, the
weather breaks, the grass is growing like a weed. And
guess what you don't have. You don't have a more
So make sure you get the mower service right away
(27:33):
and sharpen those blades, get them an extra set of
sharp blades, so that you know, after you get to
somewhat through the spring season that you can switch out
the blades and have a nice set of sharp blades
to carry you through the summer. Get those old ones
sharpened so you can be getting into the fall. You
can switch those out and have a nice set of
sharp blades going into the fall season. If you could
(27:53):
do that three times a year, if you do it
more often, would be great. But if you can do
that three times a year, have those laun more blades, Sharpen,
I give you double thumbs up. That gets you through
the spring, The next one gets you through the summer,
the next one gets you through the fall, and I
give you double thumbs up for doing that. Very very
important and very very important cultural practice when it comes
(28:16):
to mowing the grass is having a very good sharp
blade as you're continuing to mow. So please keep that
in mind as well. Also as you're looking out there
right now, maybe as you're listening to our show and
you're looking out the window and the rain's coming down
or a little bit of snow or whatever it may be,
if you have grass growing around the base of your
trees that are planted in your yard. Maybe they're older
(28:38):
trees or whatever it may be. Let's make a plan
over the next month or so to go out there
and remove the sod the soil of the grass around
the base of those trees. Make yourself a nice mault
ring around it. If you want to plant groundcover, runner
or whatever, that's great, but let's get the grass away
from the base of the plants, even if it's newly planted.
(28:59):
You know, no tree newly planted trees should start out
with less than a four to six inch diameter mulch
bed around the base of that tree. Research has shown
that they grow better with less competition with the tree,
They'll grow faster and do a better job for you.
And by having the mulch on the top, you're adding
organic matter to the top, which eventually works its way
into the soil, all benefiting the tree and being more
(29:22):
successful with the trees you're planning. So again, as you're
looking out in your landscape right now and you have
trees in your yard that has no mulch around them,
and it's all grass up to the base of the tree,
let's make a promise to ourselves. As soon as the
weather breaks and we can get out to start taking
care of that, to remove that grass and add multion.
When you do mulch around them, use a coarse mulch.
(29:43):
I'm telling you a couple of workshops up workshops I've
been to already this winter, and we've been seeing this
coming along personal experience as well. The more coarse the bark,
the better off you are. And I know sometimes you'll
look at that you go, I really like that triple
quadruple shredded hardwood mulch because it's so easy to work with.
(30:05):
It's really fine, and it just lays. It looks good
now it does. But the problem with some of those
really fine mulches is that over time they start to
compact together and they actually stop letting oxygen, you know,
they stop letting the air movement oxygen CO two. They
stop that, they stop the water movement between the surface
(30:26):
water and the soil water. It starts to become detrimental
by having these really fine shredded mulches. So the more
coarse the mulch, we're finding out, the better off for
the plants, wood chips, pine bark, pine straw, things like
that that again are more course and more open, more
(30:47):
porous to allow the air, the soil to breathe, and
the moisture to move back and forth. Still does a
job keeping the soil cooler, still does a job protecting
it in the winter, still does a job helping keep
the weeds down and all of that. But it's a
much better thing for you to do rather than those
really finely shredded hardwood mulch. If you like it, go
(31:08):
for it. But I'm telling you benefits for the plants
is much better with the other mulches. Quick break, We
come back. The Man, the Myth, the Legend. Oh wait,
before we we lost him, I didn't. I'm in another
studio this morning. I can barely see our screen. It's
off to my right. Didn't realize we had Matt on hold.
Matt calls back next week and I'll be sure and
(31:29):
grab you first thing when I see you on the screen.
My apologies, all right, Quick break, We come back The Man,
the Myth, the Legend. A little home improvement from mister
Gary Sullivan here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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H H H H.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Welcome back. You're in the garden. With Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website, it's Ron Wilson online dot com. Of
course Facebook page in the Garden with Wilson. Uh got
some great information on there for you, so be sure
and check out both of those. Now it is time
for the most listened to home improveman's show host in
the entire world, the entire Solar System. Yes, he is
the creator of the Sully. His website is Garysullivan Online
(34:18):
dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And mister Wilson. How we find you today?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We find me watching the weather, crazy stuff out.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
I know you're talking about a drought and we're gonna
get three inches of rain.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Come on, Oh, you know what they're saying in Paducah,
And I never realized paduca in that area gets it.
They get it hard with a lot of storms. They're
talking four inches of rain plus fill lakes. I think
the lakes were pretty close hearty being full.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Were they?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, they're saying this is that's a lot of rain.
So a lot of rain, a lot of rain.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
But you know, when I was I knew the forecast,
of course, and then when I heard you talking about
droughts and all that. I'm thinking, you know, the old
rain barrel would be great today. And that was your
next part of the conversation. So on spot as usual.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You'd found you. We'll fill that baby bad boy up.
But the problem is right now we usually have them
shut off. We aren't filling them.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Up, I know. So you know because we really can
open them up for about four hours.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Today about ten ten minutes or so. Yeah, crazy weather. Yeah,
well you know what's going to get there. There's nothing
we can do about it, that's for sure. Look at
the look out the window and deal with it.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
You know the phrase I'm going to hear all next week.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Garry got a leak in my basement? You know, it
only leaks when it rains hard. And how many times
have you heard that? I mean, everybody says.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
That it only leaks when it rains really hard.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's usually when it happens, you know, But
it leaks, it's not going to go away.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's a problem, but only when it rains hard.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Only when it rains hard. So if you wanted to
leak when it rains hard, I guess, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Just leave it alone, let it leak.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yeah, but if you're a little worried about it, it's
probably not going to go away.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So if I do have one of those you know
that you always see those paint sealers and all that stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah, does that stuff work? I mean look at.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah, you know all those things seilers. They can hold
back about ten pounds per square inch of water. That's
a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
But then the question is, and this is where people
get in trouble. It'll definitely stop the leak, just like
hydraulic cement expandable epoxy foams. People will pump those into cracks.
The issue is where's that water go? Then? And then
the question to ask yourself, because you know, you got
(36:56):
your finger in the dike. It's not leaking, but you
still got that water problem. So where did they go
on the foundation?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah? So where did they go from that point? Somehow,
somehow it's coming in a crack. So now it's somewhere
in the foundation.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Or it's just sitting there and it's going to crack again.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, so I'm saying it's city right, yeah, in that
foundation area.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And then maybe it goes away. I mean, maybe it
dries up and you get into one of the droughts
you're talking about, and then if you've got a lot
of limestone and you got clay soil, that's that dries out.
But I have to tell you some of that blue
clay and you know what I'm talking about. That stuff
never dries out, but it does start shrinking away from
(37:36):
the foundation and then you got less support. It's it's
not like I'm trying to scare anybody. It's like when
people say, hey, should I put some dry lock on there,
I say, you sure can, and it will stop it
from weeping in. And if it's just a little weep
and no crack, that's going to be wonderful. But if
you got a crack of waters flowing through it, you
(37:58):
got to patch the crack and then you put the
dry where's that water going? It always takes a path
least resistance. It's gonna win. Is that wall crack five
feet down the wall? Or do we get another drought
and you forget about it for a while. Who knows?
But they don't go away. The problems exist. They stay there.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So the answer is if water is leaking through, don't
try to fix it yourself.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Well, it's yeah, I mean really permanently. From a permanent standpoint,
that's very true. The real question is hear the term
waterproof all the time. I mean, boats are waterproof, right,
they float right. But at your house, it's really about
water control. It's not about water proofing. It's about water control.
(38:41):
So the problem's not on the inside the house, problems
on the outside the house, right, that's what people got
to keep in mind. So we're plugging the dyke and
that may work for a while, but the water's still
out there, and you know, you get dry spells, wet spells,
and it's like, somebody explain this to me one time,
and it made sense. It's like when you're standing on
the shore at the beach and you got your you know,
(39:05):
you're you're you're firmly planted in the sand, and the
waves start washing over your feet and another wave, and
all of a sudden, you just start settling into that sand. Now, granted,
our houses aren't built on sand, but we do dig
a hole and plan a house. And as that water
table's going up I'm not talking about the sidewall leaks,
(39:26):
but as the water table's going up and down and
up and down and up and down. Everything's just got
seddling a little bit, and the you know, the cracks
start happening, and it's a process. You know, it's a process.
And we just got to keep in mind about control
water control.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So do you have recent or current experience with that?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Me?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, the sand building up and shinking you down in there.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
No, not for a while. I go to beaches that
are real hard sand, a good foundation.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It's always important, uh, I get it.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
No soft sand for me.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
No castles made of sand fall into the sea. Eventually,
yes they do, yes they do. So ten bucks. You
tell me who sang that song?
Speaker 5 (40:11):
You know, I can.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I know that's why I made I was gonna make
it a hundred, but you know, didn't want to take
the chance. Jimmy Hendrix. There you go, one of your
least favorite artists out there.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
I know I'm want to hear him.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I love it. By the way, I'm thinking of you
again yesterday because walking through the candy aisle, you know,
there's not much in the Valentine aisle that's hollow chocolate,
you know, to make that Valentine, I didn't sully.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
For any I didn't shop for any chocolates.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
But as but as they were clearing off This is
the honestly goodness truth. As they were clearing off the
Valentine stuff, the cases of Easter stuff was already there,
so you could get started with a Sully Easter bunny
here within a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
You think they send that Valentine's chocolate melted down and
turned in Easter bunnies. No, I never thought that. I didn't,
But no, I don't. I don't think they would do that.
I don't think so either. No, I don't think so either.
But it sure sounds good.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes it does.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Did you have some chocolates? No?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I did not.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
You did not either?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Oh no, oh, I take it back. I had a
Recei's heart yesterday. Yeah. I was traveling and I didn't.
I didn't have dinner, so I just had a Receis
chocolate and a Gatorade.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Gave you a good pickup and go.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
It was a took care of it.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's good stuff.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
So you're going to find good stuff win this weekend. Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah? I like you know what, and you probably aren't
be talking about I. I like going in a post
of like Valentine's Day or whatever, because a lot of times.
If they sell flowers, you can find orchids and leftover,
you know, miniature roses and things a really good price
and give yourself some nice winter color. No, I'm a romantic, right,
Uh yeah, what'd you do?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Well? Sue and I we went in the store and
there's some orchids, really nice looking orchids. Don't want to.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Warm too much, I understand, right, But I looked at it,
and don't do the ice cube thing.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
No. I looked at my lovely wife and I picked
up this orkid.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
And she is lovely, by the way, I know, missus
put up with me for a long time.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, she has the took that orchid and I said, Sue,
happy Valentine's Day, and I handed it to her. She
looked at you. That's nice and I put my hand
back out. She put it in. I put it back
on a shelf. What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
That's my Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
You know you can tell when you've been married a
few years, because not only did I laugh, she thought
it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
She did, oh, yeah, oh that's even better. Well, if
that worked, that's great.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Then we went back to the meat department.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Go all right, all right, you got them all happened.
So what are you gonna talk about today?
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Rain? Rain, rain, and yeah, in control, that's exactly what
we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay, sure, yeah, all right, we'll have a good show.
You always do.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Come on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
There you go. Gary Sullivan online dot com. Be sure
check out his website. Thank you, sir. All right, don't
forget the book. The day to day was The Water
Smart Garden by Noel Johnson. Be sure and check it
out our website again, azplant Lady dot com. Thanks all
of our colors, Thanks our sponsors. Thanks of course, Danny,
Danny Salvan, Danny Gleeson, Danny solvs Rain. It was a
(43:36):
race car driver. I saw him last week as a
matter of fact that I did. But anyway, uh, Danny
Gleeson for all that he does, because without Danny, none
of this stuff what happened. So Dan, thank you so
much for all that you do. Now do yourself a favor.
Start thinking about it. Get your plans in place. Where
are you gonna plant that tree? Where you gonna or
two or three we're gonna plant those data plants, pollinator plants.
How are you gonna pamper your worms? I bet the water.
(43:58):
Smart gardening helps him out, get the kids and dogs
involved with gardening. By all means making the best weekend
of your life. See you.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Not gardening questions.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Ron has the answers at one eight hundred and eighty
two three Talk You're in the Garden with Ron Wilson,
place for Brian Thomason.
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