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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yardening, and I am excited
because it's been a while since we've had her on
our show. She co authored a book that I love
and I probably have recommended this book to more people
than most of the books I have because people are
always interested in this. It's a great way to get
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kids involved with this, and it's a great read. You
learn more. I mean, we have Barbie Bletcher, our Queen Bee,
on the show all the time. We learn every time
we have Barbon. You read this book, and I'm telling
you what it is, absolutely outstanding. It's called The Bees
in Your Backyard and it's co authored by Joseph Wilson
and by doctor Olivia Carrill. And guess who's with us
(01:17):
this morning, and she's been studying bees for over twenty years.
Is doctor Olivia Carrill.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Where you been in your morning run? It's nice to
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you've been out and about traveling around.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And have been oh man, yeah, I've been doing a
lot of research, mostly in the west On public lands,
trying to figure out what wild bees they have out
there and what plans they're visiting.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wow, that's crazy. And you know what, I don't think
I said this last time we had you on the show,
But I like the fact that you say wild bees is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I mean, thank you know, rather than the native.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Bees I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I mean it's the same You're talking basically the same thing, right,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
The same thing. It's tricky. I think wild these is
a more accurate term, just because the bees that you
see that aren't honey bees include both you know, species
that have come over from Europe and aren't technically native,
but then also the native bees. The wild beast kind
of encompasses both of those there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I like that wild bees. Yeah, get out there,
take care of the gift, make a bed and breakfast
in your backyard for the wild bees.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's right, That's right exactly, So you know.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know, of course, since you we've written this book,
and I'm being honest, I have recommended this book to
so many people, especially to moms and dads who want
to get the kids more involved with outside. To let
them go through this book and then go out there
and try to find some of these or if they
find a few bees out there, you know, can you
identify them?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And it's and as we talked before, it's a great
read and it absolutely is. And you guys did a
great job. I did not realize. So, so I went
on your website the other day that Joseph Wilson, who
co authored the book with you, wanted to be a lion. Yes,
when he was two years old, he wanted to grow
up to be a lion.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's right, That's right, that's Joe.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So is he.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I love that you found that detail.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So is he out there traveling around too talking about
the world of bees.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Joe's got a couple of projects going on. He works
for Utah State University and so he's been hard at work.
Heup and a lot of undergrads work on projects that
they can do sort of locally. He did a really
cool one last summer where he he and an undergrad
student looked to see how much impact cars were having
on bees. Oh they you know, drive down the road,
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how many end up on the grill of your car,
and sort of what the numbers are for that. It's
kind of an interesting project. I look forward to seeing
what they find.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was going to say, having results. I'd be curious
to see that too. I get more every now and then,
I guess somebody that will say, you know, you know,
you look, you think about all the insects that are
out there in the world today, and bees included obviously,
But you think of all these and it says, they
always say, you know, when I remember when we were
a kid and we would travel in the car and
drive somewhere for vacation, you always got out and cleaned
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off the windshield because it had bee juice all over
it or bug juice all over the insects. And today
you don't seem to see that as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, And I think one of the big things is
that you know, out here in the east, where we
clear the area beside the roads off, and you find
more wild flowers there than you do as you head
into the forest where the flowers kind of disappear, which
concentrates the bees along the edges of the roads. And
in the west, because water's kind of a scarce resource,
a lot of the plants grow where the runoff comes
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from the roads, and so bees are concentrated there as well.
And sort of what that impact is I know, I
know for sure it's millions and millions of bees per day,
but we're still trying to sort of wrap our minds
around how to extrapolate that data best.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Pat Well, I see it is interesting. Yeah, And then
you see those statistics, and of course this spring we
had the major b honeybee loss that it was experienced,
and boy, you put all those together, not a good thing,
not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But it makes something like Pollinator Week which starts this week,
extra important and a good time to get out in
your garden and celebrate those pollinators and look for the
specialists on your zucchini and the bumblebees and your strawberries
and all the little ones that are buzz pollinating your tomatoes.
You can see them right in our gardens. And the
things that we plant around our house become extra important
(05:21):
just to sort of counter some of the stuff that's
happening in wilder landscapes.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, I always tell you know, I tell folks at
all the timemas, so you know what the native were,
the wild bees. They're always in your backyard. They've been
there forever, you know, you just got to look.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
For them and been there forever.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, And the more you plant flowers or whatever that
attract them in and make your backyard a bed and
breakfast for these wild bees. The more you're going to see.
But they're always there. You're just trying to help them
out a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's it. That's it. And I would say, and I'm
just going to put this out there now. I think
one of the best ways to help them is to
learn a little bit about them. And here I am
in Ohio. I'm actually in Ohio right now for a
whole series of walks and talks about wild bees. We're
going to make our way all the way through the state.
We're going to be at University of Mount Union doing
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a workshop and a campfire talk outside. We're going to
be at Forest Park Conservancy looking at bees in the
gardens there. And we're going to travel down to the
Highland Nature Sanctuary and check out bees by Bainbridge and
do a workshop down there and a bee walk. So
because people are interested in learning about the bees so
that they know best how to help them in their
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in their yards and counter you know, what they do
when they drive their car around and stuff, it might
be a good time to do that. There's a lot
of programs this week.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and we'll I mean, we're going to take a
break here in a second, and we'll come back and
we'll kind of walk everybody through where they can find
you this week in Ohio. Now, in this book, I
think what's interesting is, you know, there's you you had
mentioned there's roughly four hundred thousand different bee species in
the United States and Canada and problem four thousand, I'm sorry,
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and in this book you address about nine hundred I think, or.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So yeah, it's like a reasonable member.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Oh, I don't know whatever it is. But anyway, since
you have written this book, have you found more species
that we did not know about or weren't aware of
that are in the United States and Canada?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Absolutely? Yeah. So the number of bees that have you know,
they've been named and identified and published in the literature
is gosh. I think we're at something around three thousand,
six hundred, three thousand, seven hundred. But then we have
a lot of species that we just kind of call
them morpho species. We know they're different from each other,
but no one's gone to the work of putting official
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names on them and making sure that everything matches up
across all the museums across the country. But when you
add all of those in, it's probably around four thousand.
I will say. In some of my works that I've
been doing in the West, though, we're finding new morpho
species to add to that list, so we expect the
number is going to be a little over four thousand
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at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, are these species that still growing? Okay? Well, are
these species that were identified at one time or are
these species that don't match up with anything else so
you're now identifying them as whatever they are?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's just it. There's species that don't match anything
in a collection anywhere, and of course there's several collections,
so it takes a while to kind of verify against
each of those. But these are our new species that
have not been seen before.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Unbelievable. All right, So we're going to take a break.
We're gonna come back and let folks know where they
can find you in the state of Ohio this week.
But let me ask you one last name before we
take the break. How many times? How many times you
get stung? Every year?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You Know what's funny is most years it's like once
I just get I get unluckier. I put my hand
in the net when I shouldn't and and I get
stung once. I mean, I'm not really the main threat
to bees, and they're not really aware that my skin
is what they should be going for when I catch them.
But this year, I was in a space in the
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middle of nowhere in southern Utah and there was I
don't know. I slung my net and ended up with
like thirty bees in my net all at once, And
I got stung four times in like three minutes, and
I decided that I probably deserved it. I probably deserved
it at that point.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But we're talking with doctor Olivia Carrill. Her book is
The Bees in Your Backyard. Check it out. If you
don't have it, you should. We come back. We're going
to find out how you can meet her and experience
all this with her here in the state of Ohio.
This coming up this week Here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson's special
guest this morning, doctor Olivia Carrill. And we've had her
on our show before because she has has written a
co written a book that's absolutely outstanding. If you don't
have it you're missing out. It's a guy that North
America's bees. The bees in your backyard great for you
and the kids. And don't forget you probably don't remember.
My favorite of all these bees in here was the cuckoo,
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the family with the most slackers.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I love that you love the cuckoo bees. They don't
get enough love from the world.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, there you go. You figures I would pick those out,
but I did. I'd I think those are great. But anyway,
you'll learn all about those in her book, The Bees
in Your Backyard. Now you are in the state of
Ohio and you're gonna move through this week, and you've
got several stops along the way.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, that's right. I love coming to Ohio to talk
about bees. I think the most enthusiastic lovers of pollinators
live in this state right here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know it. And you're not just saying that because
you're in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I am not saying that. I tell that to everybody.
I can be in Colorado and tell people that it
is the truth. You guys are so excited and curious
and open minded and want to understand how the world works.
It's really great.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, they really do. And there's a lot of beekeepers
associations through Ohio's south central you know, northern Knox County.
You got the Live bee Keepers. You know, there's a
lot of great information out there as well. You got
a of course, just Tina Block. I think you've met
just Tina with all that she does and just it's
it's great. You're right, and there's a lot of folks
that really are concerned and interested not only with the
(14:23):
honey bees, but with the wild bees as well. So
it's great.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah. And the master gardeners. Master gardeners are a fantastic
group too. They always you know, they they they're out
observing in their gardens and they they see things that
are new to me. I learn a lot from them
every time I see them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, you know, and and again I'm not blowing smoke here.
When you when I first got your book and I
went through it and all you know, once you do that,
then you start to go outside, you notice them more,
I think than you did before you went through, because
now you realize they're there and you kind of know
what to look for, what to look, where to find them,
and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, she was right,
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not that you would ever be wrong, But yeah, she's right.
Those things are in my backyard, I'll be darn.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, Yeah, it's true. It's so much fun. It's one
of my favorite things is just to watch them.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay in my art and that's what you do for
a living. And I think that's outstanding.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
You were able to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you're going to end up the week in Bainbridge, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, you're going to be at the Arc of Appalachia
Preserve I think it is. And again, if you want
more information, if you go there to find out more
about them, it's Arcofappalachia dot org. Arcofappalachia dot org. But
there is a was it a three day workshop going
on there and doing.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
A workshop Friday evening we'll do a lecture with dinner,
and then Saturday's an all day workshop. Will learn how
to identify the bees. We'll go watch them outside on
different plants and sort of figure out their behaviors and
learn about specific ones sort of natural history in the field.
And then we'll wrap it up Sunday morning and do
some sort of small groups to review all of the
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things we've learned and talk through talk through why it's
important to take care of our bees on Sunday morning.
It should be really fun.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well with you being involved and in charge of this thing,
of course, it's going to be a lot of fun.
So if folks is that's the best website for them
to go to to learn more about and to register
correct the Arc of Appellations.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Dot that's the place to go. Yeah, And if people
don't have enough time to spend the whole weekend, we're
also going to do just a lecture, one evening lecture
on specifically bees and flowers and how they sort of
work together on Saturday nights. So folks don't want to
come for the whole weekend, there is a shorter lecture, got.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It, And this will be at the Highlands Nature Sanctuary
in Bainbridge, Ohio, between Hillsboro and Chillicothea. I think is
a great way to describe that. I think it's on yeah,
Route fifty, Route fifty fifty two whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Anyway, Yep, that's me.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know, I'm just trying to think which one it was,
but anyway, and yeah, so it should be a lot
of fun obviously, and you're to meet doctor Olivia Carilla
as well. And I was looking at your restaurant options there.
Did you look at those?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I have not? Yes, someone else is driving the.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Boat okay, because they have a dairy queen there.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Tell me about it. Oh well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So I just I thought I bring that up. And
there is a place that does a fried pies.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Really Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot of fun.
I think you have coming to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, just just eating the food. I think you're gonna
have a great, great time in Bainbridge. So anyway, so
it's a three day and you can sign up. Still
time to sign up for it again. The website is
ARC and it's ARC Arcofappalasia dot org. And then you
get yourself signed up and it's a three day event,
or like Olivia said, you can do the one evening
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event as well.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, yeah, that's exactly correct. And I don't know how
many of your listeners are outside of the Bainbridge area
over by Cincinnati, but also up by Columbus. We're doing
something in Franklin Park on Wednesday, so if it's too
much of a drive to get down to Painridge, there
is an hour two hour lecture at Franklin Park on Wendesday.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Is that in the evening, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
From one to three. We want to get out when
the bees are out so we can go watch them
in the beautiful garden.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Actually drive them from the from southern Ohio to from
Cincinnati to Columbus or out the Bainbridge almost about the same.
So so you can go and find her. And of
course we have folks listening to us on the state
are surrounding Ohio as well, so it would be worth
the drive, trust me to come and meet this young
lady and to see your book and listen to what
she has to say about him, because she knows everything
(18:34):
about these wild bees and as you can tell, very entertaining. Uh,
and would be a lot of fun to visit with
and she'll share all kinds of information. Can you explain
one thing to me? Langstross, Hide and the honey Bee,
the Classic Beekeeper's Manual? Why that was written years and
years ago but continues to be one of the top
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books out there for manuals. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Tell you why?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, we love a classic book that's got all
of the information we need right and we come up
with modern ways. But sometimes the things that we've known
for the longest time are the best, and so I'm
sure that's why. And I bet, I bet if you
went to some birding website and looked at the most
popular books, a manual on how to take care of
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chickens is probably going to be right near the top.
In the same way. So honey bees and chickens super
important and we love to take care of them, and
so those are always going to be good sellers, but
right below them are going to be the bird field
Guides and the wild bee Guides.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And now you know, see, I knew you'd have the answer,
doctor Olivia Carrell. If you want to join her on
any of these workshops, you're going to be at Franklin
Park Conservatory Wednesday one to three. You can go to
the website, I'm sure and find out more about that.
If you want to do the weekend thing, it's going
to be a lot of fun. You're going to miss
out if you don't Arc of Appalachia dot org and
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get yourself registered to meet us wonderful person and you
just it's I was excited to know that we were
kind of a last minute to get you on the show,
but really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I do to Ron, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
All right, have fun in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Thank you. I will all right.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Take care Olivia. Doctor Olivia Carill And does a great
job in this book. Like I said, I've had this
for a long time and it's it's all been up.
I've got it here with me. All been up and
you used a lot. But it's uh. It's the Bees
in Your Backyard by Olivia Messinger carill It's a cool one.
Check it out. Quick break, we come back, kess. Who's
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Speaker 1 (22:59):
Welcome back. You're a garden with Ron Wilson, We're just
gonna keep talking bugs. We go from the bees to
the bugs with the buggy Joe Bogs depart mister Joe Bogs,
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Speaker 4 (23:32):
Morning, sir, Good morning. How you doing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I am good. Are you feeling better?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I am doing great. I'll tell you. It's just everything
is finally coming together this season, you know, feeling good,
getting hot. The insects are out in droves, lightning beetles.
I mean, it's just oh, in periodical cicadas. What more
can I say?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
We saw our first lightning beetle in our backyard a
couple of nights ago. It's incredible, I said, lightning beetle.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I am very well. I look, I give everyone a
pass on that because about half the time it's lightning
bug for me too.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If you dontil. Ten years ago when we met Buggy
Joe Boggs, well.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I'm going to be sporting for Father's Day. My
daughter gave me a shirt that says, wait, I see
a bug.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
That is you. I'm going to be were I would hope.
So Hey, by the way, you know what a spit
poultice is, right?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm sorry, what was that I dropped my ear piece.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Spit spit poultice.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, I I thought you said that. No, what is that?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, it's when you take like a little piece of
leaf of tobacco and you chew it, get it all sliming,
and put it on something like a poultice. I a poultice, poultice. Yes,
through that term out this morning?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Where is that heading?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I just being from West Virginia, I figured you would
know the term spit poultice.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I never heard it called a spit poultice. Now I
know about tobacco poultice and mustard poultice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's well, I'll tell you it is, uh, some of
some of our old ways. Except I'm not too sure
about a spit poultice. I mean it, you know, it
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just depends I guess. I guess it just depends on what.
You know, what, what's what person has been eating.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Doing?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, that's what it boils down to.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's what it boils down to. So what are we
going to talk about?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm going to get started with I'm going to get
you started with the cicada which we've been experiencing in
our area. Now, finally you can tell just by the
sound we're over the peak.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're getting over the peak.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
We have.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh yeah, but not like they used to be, not
like they were exactly right. And the flagging is starting
to show.
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I did not.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's the Mason water tank. I took it. Yes, I
took it at Dixon Park, and I thought I got
to get that in there because that'll be a nice
you know, because you're I'll tell you your your your
mom's home, that area your your pseudo stomping grounds. I
guess we're your stomping grounds. Now it has been it
(26:54):
has really been a bit of a centerpiece for for cicadas.
What do you think of that? I mean, it's just
been something.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Did you have a lot right at your hat? Your home?
I mean I've been No. Now that's that is interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Isn't it get any flagging? Some some chirping, but not much.
I mean, I knew, we knew they were there. We've
got some carcasses on the swing, you know, the usual thing.
But no, not that, not like at my mom's house,
Jeezy were everywhere. I mean, her ginkgo tree was loaded
with him. Corner of uh, nobody knows where this is,
(27:31):
but Fields Irtle and Snyder.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
That was just sweah.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They had the construction crews there. It's worth it's worth
getting the red light so you can watch those guys
because all of a sudden you see him throwing their
hats in the air and jumping around.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It's just they This brood has been very interesting. You know,
we had a of course last year. A lot of
listeners are saying, wait a second, you know, you can't
top out we had last year. You know, those folks
in the southern part of the United States really really
had a big emergence. But they probably experienced this as well.
You know, where you can have huge numbers. I mean,
(28:08):
as you just said, they're just flying everywhere, you know,
flying at your car, you know, flying all over and
then you drive down the road a short distance and nothing.
Just yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like you're at a different part a quarter of a
mile or less.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well that's right, I mean where you live to where
they're really heavy, you can almost walk easily. Yeah, So yeah,
it's been on the I've ever told you this story
when during the emergence in twenty twenty one, Uh, we
had a we had a car that you know, had
some well, you know, this day and age, you have
(28:44):
a little bit of self driving all just about every car,
you know, where you can where it will you know,
remain between the lines or at the very least, you know,
remain a certain distance from the car in front of you. Right.
So there's there's a lot you know, that's it's well,
it was kind of new for us in twenty twenty one.
In fact, it was very new and uh and we
(29:07):
were going to we were going down to Louisville and uh,
and the car was new, and I thought, boy, this
is great. You know, this will be really something to
you know, to try out. So you know, I hit
all the buttons and set it up, you know, and
and the way we go, and then it started acting
really goofy ron. I mean it started like speeding up
(29:28):
and slowing down and and you know, and I didn't
even dare put the lane you know, assistance on because
I had it on for a second, but then it
just started and uh and finally I thought, well, we
got something's wrong here. So the rest off, he pulled
off and I got out, walked around. There was a
cicada sitting right on top the camera. My life and
(29:52):
I still talk about that. It's just like it was
probably just using his little tarsy just say I'm going
to fix you.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But it was let's let's make let's make them slow down.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, we're really having fun now. But but yeah, you
know that emergence was fairly heavy, but this one, this one,
the singing has been extremely loud, much louder than I've
ever experienced, quite frankly, and just to sheer numbers. And
I think we're going to see a lot of flagging.
(30:27):
And of course that's where the tips die back, which
does not cause any harm to any tree over what
about ten feet tall, maybe a little less.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Smaller trees obviously will it could affect them, But yeah,
you affect them a bit because in the medium size,
larger trees, it's just a natural pruning exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
And as we keep reminding people, you know, our periodical
cicadas and our trees grew up together. So even I mean,
you know, the non native trees, you might say, well,
what about Joe, you wrote that you're seeing egg laying
on ginko, and you mentioned ginko, and of course egg
laying on don redwood. Well, it still doesn't hurt those
(31:10):
trees because the cicadas have evolved with other trees to
not kill them, if that makes sense. Basically, yeah, basically
the tree just serves as a repository for the eggs.
And I did an alert and I hope, I hope
it came out. I did some graphics this time showing
(31:31):
exactly kind of trying to demonstrate exactly how the cicada
lays eggs. It's it's it's kind of an interesting thing
to see. You can see a shot of her or
of the cicada with her overpositor egg layer into the
stem and she will insert that and that that overpositor
(31:51):
is like a nail run it is. It is hard
as all get out, in the fact, it actually has
incorporated in some that makes it even harder than the
rest of the insects. So it's kind of a interesting
structure that we don't find another insects commonly. But she
jabs that into the stem and then the eggs come
(32:15):
out just like It's like about the best thing I
can describe dates me and you. You know, when an
airline used to arrive, they used to have a gangway.
They used to have a staircase that went up to it, right,
and everybody just kind of came off on that. Well,
of course now they don't do that. But if you
picture that, that's exactly how the eggs are being inserted
(32:38):
into the stem, one after the other, like soldiers marching
by one behind the other. And then she pulls the
elbow poster out and just moves forward a little bit,
maybe about a quarter inch, maybe half an inch, maybe
even less, and jabs in again and lays another clutch
of eggs. So, as I said on my big Old Alert,
(32:58):
I tried to capture that. I don't know if I
did a good a good job of it, but you
can sort of see exactly how that process occurs. But
the whole idea is really that's the only interaction that
she basically has with the tree, just jabbing eggs into it,
is she does what she can withdraw a little bit
(33:20):
of water from the xyland, but doesn't feed much and
doesn't cause any damage. So when you think about it,
you know, the tree might as well just be a
you know, a peep, just any other piece of wood.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Right, yeah, you're right, So we gotta take a break,
But I have real quick I brought this piece in
with me because I've never seen this before, and Ken
Nator gave me this yesterday. His ash tree was losing
leaves like crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, Where am I headed with us? Two places?
What go ahead? Well, I have shots from Dixon Park
of a very heavy leaf loss from ohen Ash and
there were two problems. One was the cicadas who were
laying eggs and that will trigger that. The other, though,
(34:08):
was intractnos, which was causing leaf loss.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, he doesn't have he doesn't have anthractnos, but he
has the cicadas. But the cicada the eggs are in
that is it is? I? Well, yeah, the ratchews that's
actually the.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Oh yeah yeah yeah. The main stem also attached to
the main stem.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, yeah, there is a little narrow, sixteenth of an
inch in diameter piece of wood and after the yeah,
they're exactly three eighths of an inch apart from each other.
I mean she measured it out when she put these
in there. How quick break, we come back. We'll talk
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Speaker 1 (37:06):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website, Ron Wilson Online dot com Facebook page
in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Oh, s U great website.
Go to theirs b y g L dot O, s
U dot E d U and you'll find the recent
posting of the cicadas that Joe's talking about. And it's
time for part two of the Buggy to Bobs talking
(37:28):
about these cicada's actually laying eggs in these roches roches.
H I s the roches because it's not the petti.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
All, it's not the petty. Oh, you're right, you're right.
It is interesting. There are these different these different words,
and I'm gonna throw another one at sore. That's one
that I I almost don't even try, Ron, seriously, I
mess it up. Racus is another playout racus, right, the
(37:59):
best it And then there's another one, you know if.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You look at actually the better way.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think I've heard it pronounced that way, but I'm
not sure. But you know, sometimes I pronounced you know,
my first name, you know, Jahel instead of Joe. It
just it just depends, right, I don't know. By the way,
I need to say this very quickly, what a great
interview with Olivia. I'm really that was uh was really fantastic.
(38:30):
She really is. She's an outstanding speaker. I've had the
you know, the luck, pleasure or whatever to have have
met her a couple of times and heard her speak
a couple of times, and the great speaker. Fantastic with
identifying not just identifying that that sort of puts it
(38:51):
just kind of a straightforward level, but not only identifying,
but talking about the behavior of these different bees. There
are different circumstances and different ecosystems, and you know, around
one thing that spent happening in last would you say,
probably ten to fifteen years. I mean, certainly it's accelerated
(39:12):
over the last ten years where people are starting to
recognize that just the significance, as the title of her
book says, B's in your backyard, that more and more
folks are taking a very close look at exactly what's
going on there and of course how they interact, you know,
(39:34):
with their environment and so you know, experts like Olivia
and others, just it really does enrich our knowledge of
what's going on. I'm sorry I had to get on.
I meant to do that right off the bat, as
soon as I came on, and occurred to me during
the raik. Oh my goodness, I need to say something
because that was great that you had her on and
(39:55):
that is a great book.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Oh we've had yeah, we've had on a couple of times.
I mean, she just fun. When this book first came out,
you know, and of course you can tell yeah and
it's she's Yeah. I was when I found out she
was going to be in Ohio and this, you know,
said hey, can we get her on the show. And absolutely,
She's always a great time.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
It's fantastic. Oh yeah, yeah. On Ark of Appalachia, that's
a neat that's a neat area over there. We have
to go on a road trip.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, I looked at the I looked at the food
play the restaurants there. I got a whole list of them.
Oh yeah, I got the list of weight where you
can eat in Bainbridge and it's a I I did
make sure she knew there was a dairy Queen there,
so like she can get ice cream, but yeah, dinners
and Minnonite bakery and oh.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, oh bakery. Sorry, oh no, where where where were we?
I don't know? I drifted away, you know what?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But I knew you were going to say, I absolutely,
but I ken and I had ever seen them lay
eggs in that particular. I didn't have any idea that
they did that.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
So you know, you learn every day, well you do
in twenty twenty one, you know, when our last big
emergency racus racus, I think, yeah, and in pet yeah,
I So I got to say this because this is
(41:27):
really so how do you tell a buck eye from
a horse chestnut if you looked at the lead of
the compound leaf? And I didn't. I mean, I've ron,
honestly and truly, I've given up over the year years
trying to tell you know, when in the genus escalist,
of course, we have a group called you know, buck eyes,
we have another part called horse chestnuts, right and so
(41:49):
and you know, okay, you've got you know, sticky budge,
you have you know the smell. Yeah, that's a lot
of different things. Oh geez, but doctor, she'd say An
Shannon did her PhD. Research. She's with Osh Extension in
Lake Kenty, Ohio up there working with the nurseries. She
(42:10):
did her PhD on escalus on buckeyes and horse chestnuts,
and about a few years ago this came up on
one of our Zoom meetings and she just laid it out.
She said, a surefired way is if you take a
look at the lead of the compound leaf. You know,
it kind of looks like your hand, right, I mean,
the leaflets are like the fingers on both horse chestnuts
(42:33):
and buckeyes. If you see a little a little stem,
it almost looks you know, So the leaflet so attaches
at the center point, and then you have the petiole.
It attaches to the tree. If there's a little stem
on the bottom of the leaflet's attaching it to that centerpiece,
(42:55):
that's a buckeye. And that little stem it's called a
oh penny. I came and said, Petty Louie, petty old
something like that. I can't I can never pronounce it.
But then on horse chestnuts, if you take a look
at that compound leaf, the leaflet's attached directly to that
(43:16):
center point. And that's a surefired way. Except for the
hybrids You're gonna get it right every time. But I
can't pronounce why why. I just don't know why. You
just said why didn't you why? But who's on second?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I don't know. Hey, Joe, always a pleasure. Great information
byg L dot OSU dot edu. We'll talk to you
next Saturday.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
You take care on. I have a great week.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
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(44:05):
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make it the best weekend of your life. See green
Tom or not.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Ron can help at one eight hundred eighty two three
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Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yardening, and I am excited
because it's been a while since we've had her on
our show. She co authored a book that I love
and I probably have recommended this book to more people
than most of the books I have because people are
always interested in this. It's a great way to get
(00:57):
kids involved with this, and it's a great read. You
learn more. I mean, we have Barbie Bletcher, our Queen Bee,
on the show all the time. We learn every time
we have Barbon. You read this book, and I'm telling
you what it is, absolutely outstanding. It's called The Bees
in Your Backyard and it's co authored by Joseph Wilson
and by doctor Olivia Carrill. And guess who's with us
(01:17):
this morning, and she's been studying bees for over twenty years.
Is doctor Olivia Carrill.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Where you been in your morning run? It's nice to
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you've been out and about traveling around.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And have been oh man, yeah, I've been doing a
lot of research, mostly in the west On public lands,
trying to figure out what wild bees they have out
there and what plans they're visiting.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wow, that's crazy. And you know what, I don't think
I said this last time we had you on the show,
But I like the fact that you say wild bees is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I mean, thank you know, rather than the native.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Bees I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I mean it's the same You're talking basically the same thing, right,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
The same thing. It's tricky. I think wild these is
a more accurate term, just because the bees that you
see that aren't honey bees include both you know, species
that have come over from Europe and aren't technically native,
but then also the native bees. The wild beast kind
of encompasses both of those there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I like that wild bees. Yeah, get out there,
take care of the gift, make a bed and breakfast
in your backyard for the wild bees.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's right, That's right exactly, So you know.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know, of course, since you we've written this book,
and I'm being honest, I have recommended this book to
so many people, especially to moms and dads who want
to get the kids more involved with outside. To let
them go through this book and then go out there
and try to find some of these or if they
find a few bees out there, you know, can you
identify them?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And it's and as we talked before, it's a great
read and it absolutely is. And you guys did a
great job. I did not realize. So, so I went
on your website the other day that Joseph Wilson, who
co authored the book with you, wanted to be a lion. Yes,
when he was two years old, he wanted to grow
up to be a lion.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's right, That's right, that's Joe.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So is he.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I love that you found that detail.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So is he out there traveling around too talking about
the world of bees.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Joe's got a couple of projects going on. He works
for Utah State University and so he's been hard at work.
Heup and a lot of undergrads work on projects that
they can do sort of locally. He did a really
cool one last summer where he he and an undergrad
student looked to see how much impact cars were having
on bees. Oh they you know, drive down the road,
(03:32):
how many end up on the grill of your car,
and sort of what the numbers are for that. It's
kind of an interesting project. I look forward to seeing
what they find.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was going to say, having results. I'd be curious
to see that too. I get more every now and then,
I guess somebody that will say, you know, you know,
you look, you think about all the insects that are
out there in the world today, and bees included obviously,
But you think of all these and it says, they
always say, you know, when I remember when we were
a kid and we would travel in the car and
drive somewhere for vacation, you always got out and cleaned
(04:00):
off the windshield because it had bee juice all over
it or bug juice all over the insects. And today
you don't seem to see that as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, And I think one of the big things is
that you know, out here in the east, where we
clear the area beside the roads off, and you find
more wild flowers there than you do as you head
into the forest where the flowers kind of disappear, which
concentrates the bees along the edges of the roads. And
in the west, because water's kind of a scarce resource,
a lot of the plants grow where the runoff comes
(04:32):
from the roads, and so bees are concentrated there as well.
And sort of what that impact is I know, I
know for sure it's millions and millions of bees per day,
but we're still trying to sort of wrap our minds
around how to extrapolate that data best.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Pat Well, I see it is interesting. Yeah, And then
you see those statistics, and of course this spring we
had the major b honeybee loss that it was experienced,
and boy, you put all those together, not a good thing,
not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But it makes something like Pollinator Week which starts this week,
extra important and a good time to get out in
your garden and celebrate those pollinators and look for the
specialists on your zucchini and the bumblebees and your strawberries
and all the little ones that are buzz pollinating your tomatoes.
You can see them right in our gardens. And the
things that we plant around our house become extra important
(05:21):
just to sort of counter some of the stuff that's
happening in wilder landscapes.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, I always tell you know, I tell folks at
all the timemas, so you know what the native were,
the wild bees. They're always in your backyard. They've been
there forever, you know, you just got to look.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
For them and been there forever.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, And the more you plant flowers or whatever that
attract them in and make your backyard a bed and
breakfast for these wild bees. The more you're going to see.
But they're always there. You're just trying to help them
out a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's it. That's it. And I would say, and I'm
just going to put this out there now. I think
one of the best ways to help them is to
learn a little bit about them. And here I am
in Ohio. I'm actually in Ohio right now for a
whole series of walks and talks about wild bees. We're
going to make our way all the way through the state.
We're going to be at University of Mount Union doing
(06:09):
a workshop and a campfire talk outside. We're going to
be at Forest Park Conservancy looking at bees in the
gardens there. And we're going to travel down to the
Highland Nature Sanctuary and check out bees by Bainbridge and
do a workshop down there and a bee walk. So
because people are interested in learning about the bees so
that they know best how to help them in their
(06:31):
in their yards and counter you know, what they do
when they drive their car around and stuff, it might
be a good time to do that. There's a lot
of programs this week.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and we'll I mean, we're going to take a
break here in a second, and we'll come back and
we'll kind of walk everybody through where they can find
you this week in Ohio. Now, in this book, I
think what's interesting is, you know, there's you you had
mentioned there's roughly four hundred thousand different bee species in
the United States and Canada and problem four thousand, I'm sorry,
(06:59):
and in this book you address about nine hundred I think, or.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So yeah, it's like a reasonable member.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Oh, I don't know whatever it is. But anyway, since
you have written this book, have you found more species
that we did not know about or weren't aware of
that are in the United States and Canada?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Absolutely? Yeah. So the number of bees that have you know,
they've been named and identified and published in the literature
is gosh. I think we're at something around three thousand,
six hundred, three thousand, seven hundred. But then we have
a lot of species that we just kind of call
them morpho species. We know they're different from each other,
but no one's gone to the work of putting official
(07:41):
names on them and making sure that everything matches up
across all the museums across the country. But when you
add all of those in, it's probably around four thousand.
I will say. In some of my works that I've
been doing in the West, though, we're finding new morpho
species to add to that list, so we expect the
number is going to be a little over four thousand
(08:03):
at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, are these species that still growing? Okay? Well, are
these species that were identified at one time or are
these species that don't match up with anything else so
you're now identifying them as whatever they are?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's just it. There's species that don't match anything
in a collection anywhere, and of course there's several collections,
so it takes a while to kind of verify against
each of those. But these are our new species that
have not been seen before.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Unbelievable. All right, So we're going to take a break.
We're gonna come back and let folks know where they
can find you in the state of Ohio this week.
But let me ask you one last name before we
take the break. How many times? How many times you
get stung? Every year?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You Know what's funny is most years it's like once
I just get I get unluckier. I put my hand
in the net when I shouldn't and and I get
stung once. I mean, I'm not really the main threat
to bees, and they're not really aware that my skin
is what they should be going for when I catch them.
But this year, I was in a space in the
(09:03):
middle of nowhere in southern Utah and there was I
don't know. I slung my net and ended up with
like thirty bees in my net all at once, And
I got stung four times in like three minutes, and
I decided that I probably deserved it. I probably deserved
it at that point.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But we're talking with doctor Olivia Carrill. Her book is
The Bees in Your Backyard. Check it out. If you
don't have it, you should. We come back. We're going
to find out how you can meet her and experience
all this with her here in the state of Ohio.
This coming up this week Here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson's special
guest this morning, doctor Olivia Carrill. And we've had her
on our show before because she has has written a
co written a book that's absolutely outstanding. If you don't
have it you're missing out. It's a guy that North
America's bees. The bees in your backyard great for you
and the kids. And don't forget you probably don't remember.
My favorite of all these bees in here was the cuckoo,
(13:11):
the family with the most slackers.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I love that you love the cuckoo bees. They don't
get enough love from the world.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, there you go. You figures I would pick those out,
but I did. I'd I think those are great. But anyway,
you'll learn all about those in her book, The Bees
in Your Backyard. Now you are in the state of
Ohio and you're gonna move through this week, and you've
got several stops along the way.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, that's right. I love coming to Ohio to talk
about bees. I think the most enthusiastic lovers of pollinators
live in this state right here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know it. And you're not just saying that because
you're in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I am not saying that. I tell that to everybody.
I can be in Colorado and tell people that it
is the truth. You guys are so excited and curious
and open minded and want to understand how the world works.
It's really great.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, they really do. And there's a lot of beekeepers
associations through Ohio's south central you know, northern Knox County.
You got the Live bee Keepers. You know, there's a
lot of great information out there as well. You got
a of course, just Tina Block. I think you've met
just Tina with all that she does and just it's
it's great. You're right, and there's a lot of folks
that really are concerned and interested not only with the
(14:23):
honey bees, but with the wild bees as well. So
it's great.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah. And the master gardeners. Master gardeners are a fantastic
group too. They always you know, they they they're out
observing in their gardens and they they see things that
are new to me. I learn a lot from them
every time I see them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, you know, and and again I'm not blowing smoke here.
When you when I first got your book and I
went through it and all you know, once you do that,
then you start to go outside, you notice them more,
I think than you did before you went through, because
now you realize they're there and you kind of know
what to look for, what to look, where to find them,
and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, she was right,
(14:57):
not that you would ever be wrong, But yeah, she's right.
Those things are in my backyard, I'll be darn.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, Yeah, it's true. It's so much fun. It's one
of my favorite things is just to watch them.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay in my art and that's what you do for
a living. And I think that's outstanding.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
You were able to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you're going to end up the week in Bainbridge, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, you're going to be at the Arc of Appalachia
Preserve I think it is. And again, if you want
more information, if you go there to find out more
about them, it's Arcofappalachia dot org. Arcofappalachia dot org. But
there is a was it a three day workshop going
on there and doing.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
A workshop Friday evening we'll do a lecture with dinner,
and then Saturday's an all day workshop. Will learn how
to identify the bees. We'll go watch them outside on
different plants and sort of figure out their behaviors and
learn about specific ones sort of natural history in the field.
And then we'll wrap it up Sunday morning and do
some sort of small groups to review all of the
(16:00):
things we've learned and talk through talk through why it's
important to take care of our bees on Sunday morning.
It should be really fun.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well with you being involved and in charge of this thing,
of course, it's going to be a lot of fun.
So if folks is that's the best website for them
to go to to learn more about and to register
correct the Arc of Appellations.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Dot that's the place to go. Yeah, And if people
don't have enough time to spend the whole weekend, we're
also going to do just a lecture, one evening lecture
on specifically bees and flowers and how they sort of
work together on Saturday nights. So folks don't want to
come for the whole weekend, there is a shorter lecture, got.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It, And this will be at the Highlands Nature Sanctuary
in Bainbridge, Ohio, between Hillsboro and Chillicothea. I think is
a great way to describe that. I think it's on yeah,
Route fifty, Route fifty fifty two whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Anyway, Yep, that's me.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know, I'm just trying to think which one it was,
but anyway, and yeah, so it should be a lot
of fun obviously, and you're to meet doctor Olivia Carilla
as well. And I was looking at your restaurant options there.
Did you look at those?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I have not? Yes, someone else is driving the.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Boat okay, because they have a dairy queen there.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Tell me about it. Oh well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So I just I thought I bring that up. And
there is a place that does a fried pies.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Really Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot of fun.
I think you have coming to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, just just eating the food. I think you're gonna
have a great, great time in Bainbridge. So anyway, so
it's a three day and you can sign up. Still
time to sign up for it again. The website is
ARC and it's ARC Arcofappalasia dot org. And then you
get yourself signed up and it's a three day event,
or like Olivia said, you can do the one evening
(17:45):
event as well.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, yeah, that's exactly correct. And I don't know how
many of your listeners are outside of the Bainbridge area
over by Cincinnati, but also up by Columbus. We're doing
something in Franklin Park on Wednesday, so if it's too
much of a drive to get down to Painridge, there
is an hour two hour lecture at Franklin Park on Wendesday.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Is that in the evening, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
From one to three. We want to get out when
the bees are out so we can go watch them
in the beautiful garden.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Actually drive them from the from southern Ohio to from
Cincinnati to Columbus or out the Bainbridge almost about the same.
So so you can go and find her. And of
course we have folks listening to us on the state
are surrounding Ohio as well, so it would be worth
the drive, trust me to come and meet this young
lady and to see your book and listen to what
she has to say about him, because she knows everything
(18:34):
about these wild bees and as you can tell, very entertaining. Uh,
and would be a lot of fun to visit with
and she'll share all kinds of information. Can you explain
one thing to me? Langstross, Hide and the honey Bee,
the Classic Beekeeper's Manual? Why that was written years and
years ago but continues to be one of the top
(18:55):
books out there for manuals. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Tell you why?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, we love a classic book that's got all
of the information we need right and we come up
with modern ways. But sometimes the things that we've known
for the longest time are the best, and so I'm
sure that's why. And I bet, I bet if you
went to some birding website and looked at the most
popular books, a manual on how to take care of
(19:23):
chickens is probably going to be right near the top.
In the same way. So honey bees and chickens super
important and we love to take care of them, and
so those are always going to be good sellers, but
right below them are going to be the bird field
Guides and the wild bee Guides.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And now you know, see, I knew you'd have the answer,
doctor Olivia Carrell. If you want to join her on
any of these workshops, you're going to be at Franklin
Park Conservatory Wednesday one to three. You can go to
the website, I'm sure and find out more about that.
If you want to do the weekend thing, it's going
to be a lot of fun. You're going to miss
out if you don't Arc of Appalachia dot org and
(19:58):
get yourself registered to meet us wonderful person and you
just it's I was excited to know that we were
kind of a last minute to get you on the show,
but really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I do to Ron, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
All right, have fun in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Thank you. I will all right.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Take care Olivia. Doctor Olivia Carill And does a great
job in this book. Like I said, I've had this
for a long time and it's it's all been up.
I've got it here with me. All been up and
you used a lot. But it's uh. It's the Bees
in Your Backyard by Olivia Messinger carill It's a cool one.
Check it out. Quick break, we come back, kess. Who's
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Welcome back. You're a garden with Ron Wilson, We're just
gonna keep talking bugs. We go from the bees to
the bugs with the buggy Joe Bogs depart mister Joe Bogs,
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mister common Sensical himself, Buggy Joe Bobs, good morning, Good.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Morning, sir, Good morning. How you doing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I am good. Are you feeling better?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I am doing great. I'll tell you. It's just everything
is finally coming together this season, you know, feeling good,
getting hot. The insects are out in droves, lightning beetles.
I mean, it's just oh, in periodical cicadas. What more
can I say?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
We saw our first lightning beetle in our backyard a
couple of nights ago. It's incredible, I said, lightning beetle.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I am very well. I look, I give everyone a
pass on that because about half the time it's lightning
bug for me too.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If you dontil. Ten years ago when we met Buggy
Joe Boggs, well.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I'm going to be sporting for Father's Day. My
daughter gave me a shirt that says, wait, I see
a bug.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
That is you. I'm going to be were I would hope.
So Hey, by the way, you know what a spit
poultice is, right?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm sorry, what was that I dropped my ear piece.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Spit spit poultice.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, I I thought you said that. No, what is that?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, it's when you take like a little piece of
leaf of tobacco and you chew it, get it all sliming,
and put it on something like a poultice. I a poultice, poultice. Yes,
through that term out this morning?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Where is that heading?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I just being from West Virginia, I figured you would
know the term spit poultice.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I never heard it called a spit poultice. Now I
know about tobacco poultice and mustard poultice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's well, I'll tell you it is, uh, some of
some of our old ways. Except I'm not too sure
about a spit poultice. I mean it, you know, it
(25:39):
just depends I guess. I guess it just depends on what.
You know, what, what's what person has been eating.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Doing?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, that's what it boils down to.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's what it boils down to. So what are we
going to talk about?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm going to get started with I'm going to get
you started with the cicada which we've been experiencing in
our area. Now, finally you can tell just by the
sound we're over the peak.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're getting over the peak.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
We have.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh yeah, but not like they used to be, not
like they were exactly right. And the flagging is starting
to show.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
The flagging is starting. I hope you appreciated. You know,
I did the posting yesterday, the lead picture. Did you
see what was in the background?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I did not.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's the Mason water tank. I took it. Yes, I
took it at Dixon Park, and I thought I got
to get that in there because that'll be a nice
you know, because you're I'll tell you your your your
mom's home, that area your your pseudo stomping grounds. I
guess we're your stomping grounds. Now it has been it
(26:54):
has really been a bit of a centerpiece for for cicadas.
What do you think of that? I mean, it's just
been something.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Did you have a lot right at your hat? Your home?
I mean I've been No. Now that's that is interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Isn't it get any flagging? Some some chirping, but not much.
I mean, I knew, we knew they were there. We've
got some carcasses on the swing, you know, the usual thing.
But no, not that, not like at my mom's house,
Jeezy were everywhere. I mean, her ginkgo tree was loaded
with him. Corner of uh, nobody knows where this is,
(27:31):
but Fields Irtle and Snyder.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
That was just sweah.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They had the construction crews there. It's worth it's worth
getting the red light so you can watch those guys
because all of a sudden you see him throwing their
hats in the air and jumping around.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It's just they This brood has been very interesting. You know,
we had a of course last year. A lot of
listeners are saying, wait a second, you know, you can't
top out we had last year. You know, those folks
in the southern part of the United States really really
had a big emergence. But they probably experienced this as well.
You know, where you can have huge numbers. I mean,
(28:08):
as you just said, they're just flying everywhere, you know,
flying at your car, you know, flying all over and
then you drive down the road a short distance and nothing.
Just yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like you're at a different part a quarter of a
mile or less.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well that's right, I mean where you live to where
they're really heavy, you can almost walk easily. Yeah, So yeah,
it's been on the I've ever told you this story
when during the emergence in twenty twenty one, Uh, we
had a we had a car that you know, had
some well, you know, this day and age, you have
(28:44):
a little bit of self driving all just about every car,
you know, where you can where it will you know,
remain between the lines or at the very least, you know,
remain a certain distance from the car in front of you. Right.
So there's there's a lot you know, that's it's well,
it was kind of new for us in twenty twenty one.
In fact, it was very new and uh and we
(29:07):
were going to we were going down to Louisville and uh,
and the car was new, and I thought, boy, this
is great. You know, this will be really something to
you know, to try out. So you know, I hit
all the buttons and set it up, you know, and
and the way we go, and then it started acting
really goofy ron. I mean it started like speeding up
(29:28):
and slowing down and and you know, and I didn't
even dare put the lane you know, assistance on because
I had it on for a second, but then it
just started and uh and finally I thought, well, we
got something's wrong here. So the rest off, he pulled
off and I got out, walked around. There was a
cicada sitting right on top the camera. My life and
(29:52):
I still talk about that. It's just like it was
probably just using his little tarsy just say I'm going
to fix you.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But it was let's let's make let's make them slow down.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, we're really having fun now. But but yeah, you
know that emergence was fairly heavy, but this one, this one,
the singing has been extremely loud, much louder than I've
ever experienced, quite frankly, and just to sheer numbers. And
I think we're going to see a lot of flagging.
(30:27):
And of course that's where the tips die back, which
does not cause any harm to any tree over what
about ten feet tall, maybe a little less.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Smaller trees obviously will it could affect them, But yeah,
you affect them a bit because in the medium size,
larger trees, it's just a natural pruning exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
And as we keep reminding people, you know, our periodical
cicadas and our trees grew up together. So even I mean,
you know, the non native trees, you might say, well,
what about Joe, you wrote that you're seeing egg laying
on ginko, and you mentioned ginko, and of course egg
laying on don redwood. Well, it still doesn't hurt those
(31:10):
trees because the cicadas have evolved with other trees to
not kill them, if that makes sense. Basically, yeah, basically
the tree just serves as a repository for the eggs.
And I did an alert and I hope, I hope
it came out. I did some graphics this time showing
(31:31):
exactly kind of trying to demonstrate exactly how the cicada
lays eggs. It's it's it's kind of an interesting thing
to see. You can see a shot of her or
of the cicada with her overpositor egg layer into the
stem and she will insert that and that that overpositor
(31:51):
is like a nail run it is. It is hard
as all get out, in the fact, it actually has
incorporated in some that makes it even harder than the
rest of the insects. So it's kind of a interesting
structure that we don't find another insects commonly. But she
jabs that into the stem and then the eggs come
(32:15):
out just like It's like about the best thing I
can describe dates me and you. You know, when an
airline used to arrive, they used to have a gangway.
They used to have a staircase that went up to it, right,
and everybody just kind of came off on that. Well,
of course now they don't do that. But if you
picture that, that's exactly how the eggs are being inserted
(32:38):
into the stem, one after the other, like soldiers marching
by one behind the other. And then she pulls the
elbow poster out and just moves forward a little bit,
maybe about a quarter inch, maybe half an inch, maybe
even less, and jabs in again and lays another clutch
of eggs. So, as I said on my big Old Alert,
(32:58):
I tried to capture that. I don't know if I
did a good a good job of it, but you
can sort of see exactly how that process occurs. But
the whole idea is really that's the only interaction that
she basically has with the tree, just jabbing eggs into it,
is she does what she can withdraw a little bit
(33:20):
of water from the xyland, but doesn't feed much and
doesn't cause any damage. So when you think about it,
you know, the tree might as well just be a
you know, a peep, just any other piece of wood.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Right, yeah, you're right, So we gotta take a break,
But I have real quick I brought this piece in
with me because I've never seen this before, and Ken
Nator gave me this yesterday. His ash tree was losing
leaves like crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, Where am I headed with us? Two places?
What go ahead? Well, I have shots from Dixon Park
of a very heavy leaf loss from ohen Ash and
there were two problems. One was the cicadas who were
laying eggs and that will trigger that. The other, though,
(34:08):
was intractnos, which was causing leaf loss.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, he doesn't have he doesn't have anthractnos, but he
has the cicadas. But the cicada the eggs are in
that is it is? I? Well, yeah, the ratchews that's
actually the.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Oh yeah yeah yeah. The main stem also attached to
the main stem.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, yeah, there is a little narrow, sixteenth of an
inch in diameter piece of wood and after the yeah,
they're exactly three eighths of an inch apart from each other.
I mean she measured it out when she put these
in there. How quick break, we come back. We'll talk
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posting of the cicadas that Joe's talking about. And it's
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about these cicada's actually laying eggs in these roches roches.
H I s the roches because it's not the petti.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
All, it's not the petty. Oh, you're right, you're right.
It is interesting. There are these different these different words,
and I'm gonna throw another one at sore. That's one
that I I almost don't even try, Ron, seriously, I
mess it up. Racus is another playout racus, right, the
(37:59):
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Speaker 1 (38:03):
You look at actually the better way.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think I've heard it pronounced that way, but I'm
not sure. But you know, sometimes I pronounced you know,
my first name, you know, Jahel instead of Joe. It
just it just depends, right, I don't know. By the way,
I need to say this very quickly, what a great
interview with Olivia. I'm really that was uh was really fantastic.
(38:30):
She really is. She's an outstanding speaker. I've had the
you know, the luck, pleasure or whatever to have have
met her a couple of times and heard her speak
a couple of times, and the great speaker. Fantastic with
identifying not just identifying that that sort of puts it
(38:51):
just kind of a straightforward level, but not only identifying,
but talking about the behavior of these different bees. There
are different circumstances and different ecosystems, and you know, around
one thing that spent happening in last would you say,
probably ten to fifteen years. I mean, certainly it's accelerated
(39:12):
over the last ten years where people are starting to
recognize that just the significance, as the title of her
book says, B's in your backyard, that more and more
folks are taking a very close look at exactly what's
going on there and of course how they interact, you know,
(39:34):
with their environment and so you know, experts like Olivia
and others, just it really does enrich our knowledge of
what's going on. I'm sorry I had to get on.
I meant to do that right off the bat, as
soon as I came on, and occurred to me during
the raik. Oh my goodness, I need to say something
because that was great that you had her on and
(39:55):
that is a great book.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Oh we've had yeah, we've had on a couple of times.
I mean, she just fun. When this book first came out,
you know, and of course you can tell yeah and
it's she's Yeah. I was when I found out she
was going to be in Ohio and this, you know,
said hey, can we get her on the show. And absolutely,
She's always a great time.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
It's fantastic. Oh yeah, yeah. On Ark of Appalachia, that's
a neat that's a neat area over there. We have
to go on a road trip.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, I looked at the I looked at the food
play the restaurants there. I got a whole list of them.
Oh yeah, I got the list of weight where you
can eat in Bainbridge and it's a I I did
make sure she knew there was a dairy Queen there,
so like she can get ice cream, but yeah, dinners
and Minnonite bakery and oh.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, oh bakery. Sorry, oh no, where where where were we?
I don't know? I drifted away, you know what?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But I knew you were going to say, I absolutely,
but I ken and I had ever seen them lay
eggs in that particular. I didn't have any idea that
they did that.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
So you know, you learn every day, well you do
in twenty twenty one, you know, when our last big
emergency racus racus, I think, yeah, and in pet yeah,
I So I got to say this because this is
(41:27):
really so how do you tell a buck eye from
a horse chestnut if you looked at the lead of
the compound leaf? And I didn't. I mean, I've ron,
honestly and truly, I've given up over the year years
trying to tell you know, when in the genus escalist,
of course, we have a group called you know, buck eyes,
we have another part called horse chestnuts, right and so
(41:49):
and you know, okay, you've got you know, sticky budge,
you have you know the smell. Yeah, that's a lot
of different things. Oh geez, but doctor, she'd say An
Shannon did her PhD. Research. She's with Osh Extension in
Lake Kenty, Ohio up there working with the nurseries. She
(42:10):
did her PhD on escalus on buckeyes and horse chestnuts,
and about a few years ago this came up on
one of our Zoom meetings and she just laid it out.
She said, a surefired way is if you take a
look at the lead of the compound leaf. You know,
it kind of looks like your hand, right, I mean,
the leaflets are like the fingers on both horse chestnuts
(42:33):
and buckeyes. If you see a little a little stem,
it almost looks you know, So the leaflet so attaches
at the center point, and then you have the petiole.
It attaches to the tree. If there's a little stem
on the bottom of the leaflet's attaching it to that centerpiece,
(42:55):
that's a buckeye. And that little stem it's called a
oh penny. I came and said, Petty Louie, petty old
something like that. I can't I can never pronounce it.
But then on horse chestnuts, if you take a look
at that compound leaf, the leaflet's attached directly to that
(43:16):
center point. And that's a surefired way. Except for the
hybrids You're gonna get it right every time. But I
can't pronounce why why. I just don't know why. You
just said why didn't you why? But who's on second?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I don't know. Hey, Joe, always a pleasure. Great information
byg L dot OSU dot edu. We'll talk to you
next Saturday.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
You take care on. I have a great week.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Bye bye bye, Bucky Joe Boggs right there. Thanks all
of our colors, Thanks for our sponsors, thanks of course,
and Danny Gleeson a our producer, because without Danny Gleeson,
none of this stuff would happen, including my screen coming
on this morning. So thank you Dan for all that
you do in that magical touch that you have. Not
do yourself a favorite still tying to plant trees, native plants,
native selections. Uh, get out and take care of those
(44:05):
wild bees, keep the kids involved, pamper your worms, and
make it the best weekend of your life. See green
Tom or not.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
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