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the weather and in the trees starring our amateur meteorologist
and Registered Consulting Arborist ISA Board Certified Master Arborist. He's
got some time. As a matter of fact, he has
a new one. I'm sure you'll explain it to us.
His website is Arbordoctor dot com ladies and gentlemen. Mister
ron rothis good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sir, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I am good great to hang out with you this
week at Mad Tree Brewery and uh with Steve Foltz
and Bill de Boor and Missus de Boor and the
whole group and giving away lots of uh uh tupelo
or black gum trees. And I see you got one
for yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I got two for myself.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh you would have taken two?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, he said I could take five, and I was
kind of running late for another engagement because I am,
of course on demand, So yes, a good dad'll Otherwise
I would have I would have made multiple in and
out trips to get my five. But yeah, I got
two at the add to the two that I already
have in my yard. I have a green gables and
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a wildfire black gum in my yard. And these of
course were street species that they were given away the
other night. So yeah, always been one of my favorite trees.
I love that tree and the story that goes with it.
Do we have time for that neat story? You know,
different trees have different common names, and some you know,
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that's why we have botanical names for block gum. It's mississiovatica.
But block gum goes by a lot of different common names.
Block gum, black tupelo, sour gum, tupelo gum, just a
whole bunch of common names. Well, there was a lady
up in Connecticut many many years ago who had a
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son who had major food allergies. And so the doctor said,
you need to bake your own cookies and cakes and
breads so that you will know that the ingredients that
are being put into those are ingredients that your son
is not allergic to. So she did that, and her
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creations were wonderful, and her friends tried them out and said,
you know, this is great. You need to start selling
this stuff. So she lived on a farm in Connecticut
and had an outbuilding. So she turned the outbuilding into
a little bakery where she started to bake her creations
to sell. Well, this bakery, this building was shaded by
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two giant black gum trees. But in Connecticut, the black
the regional name for the black gum is pepperidge tree.
So she named her enterprise Pepperidge Farm. And now you
know the rest of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You know, you should have tried to change your voice
so you sound the more like Paul Harvey.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I should have tried. I always loved Paul Harvey, so
to do that. That actually was a Paul Harvey rest
of the story a number of decades ago, and of
course since black Gum has always been one of my
favorite trees, when he did a rest of the story
on that tree, obviously it's stuck with me. Sure.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh absolutely, I loved those segments. I thought they were great,
all of them, you know, because it was all you
You've paid attention to find out what was the rest
of the story. Uh, those were outstanding. So that's a
great is a great story.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
By the way, Mike Rowe is doing some similar things today.
Matter of fact, he said that it's kind of modeled
after Paul Harvey's rest of the story. He calls it
the way I heard it. It's not exactly the same,
but it's similar. And Mike Rowe has said that he definitely,
you know, really enjoyed the rest of the story segments too.
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So there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's amazing his voiceovers up here and so many different things.
You're watching TV and you realize this Mike row doing
the uh uh doing those talking about Ron Roethlis though,
and that's the important person today. And we do want
to thank the Bill de Boor and all the folks
at Woody Warehouse and of course the folks at Man
Tree Brewery for giving away four hundred and fifty black
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gums to be planted in the Cincinnati area. And they
were absolutely free. Those were nice too. Those were like
four and five feet tall. Those were just little saplings.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, there were beautiful trees. You know what's interesting too.
You mentioned my new credential, which is a prescription tree
pruning credential. I went up to Well, I went up
last fall to Wooster, Ohio for two day workshop with
doctor ed Gilman on prescription tree pruning, and then this
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April Lindsay Purcell did the full prescription tree pruning training
up in Indianapolis. Well, I had ordered some trees from
Woody Warehouse go to Borst Place, and he's been after
me for a couple of years to come out and
see the nursery. So I was going to send one
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of my team numbers up there, but it's like, well,
I'm going up to Indianapolis with my new arborius, Mandy Ganjief,
who comes to us from Portland, Oregon. So Mandy and
I both went up to Indianapolis for the three day
training and prescription tree pruning, and then afterwards I drove
on out to the west to Woody Warehouse and did
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an hour or tour around the nursery with Bill. I
picked up my plants and came back to Cincinnati. So
I got to see Woody Warehouse in their operation, which
is quite impressive out there, while at the same time
you qualifying for the prescription tree purning. So see how
that all gets wrapped up. You know, you're like, where's
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he going with us? Well there you get.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well the whole point you were able to travel for
four or five days and make it a business trip.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, that's all. I'm going to be doing even more
than that, So there you go. I'm doing twenty five
days this fall to New Zealand and Australia for the
International Society of Arboriculture conference, So I'm making that a business.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh excuse me.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
If the International Socide of our Book Culture is going
to have their annual conference in christ Church, New Zealand,
and I just turned sixty years old, so it's like
I've got to start taking advantage of these things.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So, uh, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Me on, and if you want to have me on
in October, we better figure out what the time.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What the time differentially is you'll have to get up
in the middle of the night, I guess and do that.
I'll never make it to eat one of those places,
because I don't think I could stay in an airplane
that long, for that long period of time. But there
you go, all right, talk with Ron Roth.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I already have my flight reservations. It's seventeen hours and
twenty minutes time. Eighteen hours man Dallas to Sydney.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yep. I couldn't do it. I don't think I could
do it. No way, talk with Ron Rothis are certified
oarburst obviously, and of course an amateur meteorologist. So I
guess we're on. The first thing I want to take
a look at is looking back to the spring of
twenty twenty five. If I had to summon up based
on just the gut feeling, I would say it was
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a cooler than usual and more rainfall than usual. And
you're gonna probably come back to him to again say, well,
some days weren't some days weren't. And all I reached
out to where it normally would be, or am I right.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, it was kind of a strange spring. March was
very warm this year, at least here locally, we were
six point seven degrees above normal, and April was two
degrees above normal. So it was the spring was the
spring was warm. May was actually about a degree below normal,
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so we got cooler as the spring went on, But overall,
I think it averaged out in Cincinnati at least well
above normal, although last year was really a normal I
think February last year was ten degrees above normal, so
it probably seemed a little bit cooler this year. Precipitation
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overall was well above normal, but surprisingly May at my
location was an inch below normal. But even that is
misleading because April was way above normal and May had
a lot of wet days. And his buggy Joe has
pointed out a number of times on your show and
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many other places, when you get a lot of heavy rain,
it can actually knock the disease spores off of tree leaves.
When you get a lot of wet, damp, moist days,
it just allows the disease spores to party hardy and
you get a lot of follier diseases. And because we
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had so many wet days this spring and in May
a lot of cool wet days when it didn't rain hard,
but it was just drizzly, or maybe we got a
tenth or two tenths to one inch rain really facilitated
a lot of disease issues. We had a diagnostic walk
about on Monday with Buggy Joe Hi, a Green Industry
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Association down at Spring Grove Cemetery and Arboretum, and we
looked at the original the parent plant for the Spring
Grove dogwood, and it was ravaged with I think it
was septory at least spot really was being affected by it.
And I know Joe made the comments that he'd never
seen that on Spring Grove cultivar before, and it's just because,
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I mean, I think the consensus was the tree is
going to be okay, but esthetically it didn't look too good.
And I think the consensus was that, you know, it's
just been one of those years. And of course Spring
Grove Cemetery itself is down in the Mill Creek Valley
of Cincinnati, so you get a little bit more fog
and moisture down there, and if you get more fogging moisture,
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you're in a year that's already voiced. It's really just
facilitate those bowler diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And I think I've gotten more emails this year with
the leaf spot on dogwood that I think I've ever seen. Uh,
and you know, not just a tree form, but the
red twig variegated. All of those have all had leave spot,
probably worse than I think I've ever seen it. Basically,
like you said, because of the way the weather has
been talking with Ron rothis' website is arbordoctor dot com.
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So we're gonna come out of this spring season going
in again to the summer season. What does he see.
We're into the meteorological summer already starting the first of June.
So what's Ron gonna see over the June, July, and
August months of summer. We'll find out after the break.
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the Garden with Ron Wilson, special guest this morning the
arbor Dock Ronroth is his website arbordoctor dot com talking
about the spring season, what it felt like, but yet
what's the reality of it? And that's what he's all about,
is that he charts it so we know exactly the
reality of what we thought. Is typically never what we thought.
It's always something different. But in the end it all
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seems to average out, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, it does. And just because I was that way,
I think some of the other areas in the Ohio
Valley were actually were even a little bit wetter. In May,
there was one some storm complex sticular that dumped on
the airport and they and moved in my direction and
I could see it for my house, and it was
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coming in, and it just dissolved as it came in,
and I got almost nothing. I think the airport got
an inch and I got nothing. So I was an
inch below normal for the month, and that one missing,
that one thunderstorm made that difference. So you know, other
areas I think were closer to normal or even a
little bit above normal for May. But I think the
take on message is that whether you were a little
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bit below normal or normal, we had a lot of
wet days and that's what really was. It was the
biggest factor when it came to horticulture.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And then in the second take home, I wanted to
just quickly mention before we talk about your prediction, is
that you brought up seeing the leaf spot on the
spring Grove dogwood, which is an outstanding selection of white dogwoods.
By the way, that thing is phenomenal. But seeing a
lot do I, oh, yeah, it's it's and if you
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want to see the parent plant, I just go to
Spring Grove Cemetery and I'll read them. But seeing a
lot of love, well yeah, but still, I mean it's
a great tree. But and even it was the protection
that it had got lost with a storm and there
was some questionnaire to see what it would do now
was in full sun, and it's still doing great. So
but point being is, at this stage in the game,
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we're seeing a lot of leaf spot on. We're seeing
an apple scab, we're seeing the subtory leaf spot, we're
seeing these leaf diseases showing up some on the hydrangees.
At this point, when you see that, there's nothing you
can do. It's more you know, it's too late to
try to protect them anyway, so you just kind of
keep the plant as healthy as possible, rake up the
leaves as they drop. But no fund style applications, I'm
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assuming at this stage.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, that's that's pretty well right. I mean we're pretty
well past the I mean, fungicides generally prevent or suppress infection.
They don't cure it once it's there. But I think
one of the other take on messages is that, you know,
we talked about the spring grove, something doug wood down
there that doesn't look good this year. People tend to
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see that. They panic, you know, they start dumping fertilizer
on the tree and the run out and get a
fung aside. I've even had people see, you know, that
leaf spottle over a tree like that and they'll run
out and get malefion and spray it, which is insecticide,
which says nothing, you know, and it's like, no, just
settle down, calm down, you know, we don't have to
go crazy. Just realize that that one year, one bad year,
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is not going to destroy the plane, at least not
with a lot of these leaf spot diseases. If it's
a cultivar or a plant that gets them every year,
that is going to cut down in the photosynthetic potential
a lot. So you might want to plan a you know,
fungicide program in the future for you know, future years
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for a plant like that. But if it's one bad year,
don't sweat it, you know, just write it out this
year and then it'll probably be fine next year.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So, but but you know, overreacting, you know, fertilizer can
actually lots of you know, lectro fertilizer can actually increase
disease susceptibility. Uh, you know, mauthion, you're just killing beneficial accepts.
You're not doing anything with a fungal disease.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah. The bottom line is, don't spray anything until you
know for sure what it is. And whether or not
you even need to spray, and I get that all
the time. Well, I got out those the whatever, then
I sprayed it and that still has it. Well, guess what,
It's a disease, not an insect, and you know whatever.
But yeah, make sure you know what it is, diagnose it,
figure out if you even need to spray for it,
and then what is the best thing to spray with
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Talking with Ron rothis the arbordoctor auberdoctor dot com. Okay,
we got about a minute a half to go, So
we're looking now we're into the meteorological summer June, July
and August. What are you seeing as we trans this
amount of where we've been this spring end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'll tell you what I'm seeing my manage meadow at
my house, although my summer blooming plants coming on strong,
so I'm looking forward to it. From a standpoint of weather,
it's looking hot over a good part of the country
this summer, above normal over most of the country with
a caveat. When we say above normal, we're saying, you know,
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above the thirty year average, which with climate change tends
to be more often than not anymore. It looks like
the best chance of being closer to normal or the
or the area that maybe isn't going to be quite
as bad is going to be from the upper Mississippi
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Valley in Great Lakes down in the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys,
so those areas might be have more days that are
more moderate, maybe even some cooler days thrown in like
we've had already this early summer. But New England and
Florida and areas from Louisiana to the northwest, it's going
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to be hot a lot of the areas, a lot
of the country is going to be dry, but east
coast the Appalachians are the best chance of above normal
precipitation in the High Valley and to go either way.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
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of course we've been addressing this major uh coming out
of the winter loss this year of the honeybees in
the United States. And I'm talking major, big time hit,
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millions of bees lost and of course affecting our honey
and the bee population having just you know, a lot
of money involved here and a lot of bees gone
as well, what the heck happened?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Will?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They've been doing a lot of research, and Barbie Bletcher,
our Queen Bee, has been keeping us updated and we
this week have gotten a new report on some of
their findings. So joining us this morning is our Queen Bee,
Barbie b Letcher. Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Finally we got some news.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Finally got some news. And you know what's funny is
your your first email to me said I haven't had
a chance to read through the report yet, but give
me time. I still haven't made it through that report.
How do you How do you read that?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
My gosh. I kept back. I was like, I just
I would read about three sentences and I would go,
what did that say? I finally, I'll be honest with you.
I finally put it down and said, we'll talk to
Barb on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Some of the virus stuff, the materials and methods was
kind of over my head.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You went over your head. Yes, well I don't feel
so bad then? Yeah? That was that was That was
That was pretty complicated. So so anyway they've been doing
for folks that don't know we're talking about, which I'm
surprised because it has been quite a bit in the news,
A major loss of honey bees coming out of the
winner this year, obviously tracked by the major bee keepers,
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and it was right about time of shipping bees to
the almond groves and all the bees being moved around
for spring pollination, and these bees were all showing up.
Well not they're all dead. And you know, again, the
dollar value of the losses over this year is phenomenal
in b production, B products, things like that. But of
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course then the big question is what happened. And you know,
we went through this several years ago where the colony
collapse disorder came into effect, which really got things started, right,
I mean, as far as really good research and money
put into what's going on with the bees, that really
did kick it off. And that's where we kind of
got involved with you more at that time, trying to
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figure out what was going on. And so it's been interesting.
So anyway, the report a report has been published, and
you are here to help us kind of sore through
and tell us what what are they finding out?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, so they're estimating a six hundred million dollar loss
and that doesn't count lost to the blueberries and the
apples down the road. You know that are not being
pollinated as well as they should be, so that that's
substantial to all of us. Yeah really, yeah, I mean,
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I just it's kind of staggering to think about that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So, they they had many, many, many reports from beekeepers
and they looked at both live, dying, and dead colonies
from six of the major beekeepers who had about one
hundred and eighty four thousand colonies, which is only a
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small percentage of our total a number of population of
colonies in the United States, but they all had substantial losses.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
One hundred and eighty four thousand colonies.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yeah, okay, I think that the largest the beekeeper with
the largest number of colonies in the United States, And
I always got this wrong, but I think it's eighty
thousand colonies. One beekeeper who manages eighty thousand colonies. No way,
he has lots of drones.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And worker bees to help him.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Holy yeah, so they so, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So they looked at these bees and they did find
several key viruses, the four well, I guess the four
main ones that struck out. There's two deformed wing viruses.
They call it A and B, but deformed wing virus
which is linked with verroamites because the romites vector virus
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just like a dear tickle vector.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Viruses to us right diseases, disease does.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So they had two of those. They had Israeli Acute
paralysis virus, which is they call IAPV, and that was
linked with colony collapse, with the disappearing of the colonies.
So they had really high levels of that. It's like
seventy seventy eight percent or seventy two percent of the
colonies and the bees individually that they looked at had
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that Israeli acute paralysis virus. Then they had acute B
paralysis virus two, which were really high levels. So they
found like seven other viruses, but those four were extremely
high compared to a normal colony with viruses, so that
kind of peaked your interests. So they started looking at
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those viruses and they found it present in all the
colonies they examined. But the weird thing is that they
found them in the healthy colonies as well as the
dead and dying collies. So you can't just say, well,
these bees had viruses and these didn't. It wasn't it
wasn't that easy. But they found individual bees that had
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really high virulent strains or races of these viruses to
the point that they were showing symptoms. You know, they
kind of stagger, their tongue, they sticking out, they kind
of look like they're drunk walking around in front of
the hive. So they saw those, So they took viruses
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out of these really sick bees showing symptoms and they
injected them into the pupa that developing bees and adult
bees of healthy bees, and then they got those symptoms.
So what they found is that there's even though collectively
the colonies had these viruses, there are certain bees individuals
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in each colony that had these really high levels to
the point that they were staggering and dying. If they
took the virus out of those and gave them to
the other bees, they got that same high level of
virus and it killed them. Even like I think they
you know, a small percentage of a very weak dilution
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of that virus injected into what seemed like healthy bees,
they would get that really high virulent strain of virus
and they would kill them. So, you know, bees, when
they're sick, they beg for food from their sisters, and
they feed each other anyhow. But the sick ones are
begging food from the others. So the sisters that are
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really sick are spreading it to each other. And then
you only need one sick mite or one mite that
has this virus to spread it to all her brothers
and sisters and they all get it. So you don't
have to have a whole colony with high virus. You
only need even one really sick bee to virtually kill
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the entire colony within days. Wow, that's the part that
I had to read three times. Yeah, I really understand
what they were trying to say reading your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I much appreciated the two pages there because it made
sense to me. After I read your interpretation, I was
reading another one, I was like, I'm lost. I don't
know Barbile explained it to us. So I appreciate you
doing that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
So can virtually kill sixty six million exposed bees. Wow,
with a dilution a solution, it can still kill them.
So these are really virulent, highly infectious strains of.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
These viruses, and so folks understand how they're getting the
viruses and are these are these high strains? Has just
just come on recently, that's the first question. And secondly
is of course those are vector to those bees through
a mite.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right through the they're all linked to a sub or
a might so and that was the other part of
the study is that you know, commercial beekeeper or so
they have they have to keep their bottom line slightly
above you know, they have to make some kind of
profit because it's their livelihood, right, so they use amtres.
They use a formulation of amatras, which is a common
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MITA side that they can kind of afford to treat
for their MIGHT So because it is it is less
expensive and it has worked in the past, they have
been using that same mitaside over and over again and
not checking their to see if it worked. And you think,
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if you have you know, even twenty even two thousand colonies,
how do you check them on a regular basis to
see if your MIGHT product is working. So they're using
this might product might control product, and the bee the
might developed a resistance to it. So the mites weren't
even being killed by this mit aside. So that just
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added to it because these mites were just you know,
even one one mite that spreads that virus can kill
that entire colony and all the other colonies because you know,
bees are going to flowers and dropping off virus. You know,
there they rob from each other, and the mites are
dropping off each the bees as they're going from colony
to colony, so when they're hungry they don't have enough food.
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Bees rob from each other other colonies, so the mites
are on these bees, they drop off in another colony,
and whammo, you know all the other colonies that are
affected as well.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I mean, it really is to think this through,
so we know higher strains and that's kind of unique,
I guess. And then you get this that might have
said it's all of a sudden not working and no
one's really kind of paying attention. You put all that together.
By the way, Joe strecker vious, I don't know if
you're saying to you when he called you, but uh,
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does the bee diarrhea fall into this anywhere?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Actually I'm glad, he I'm glad, he asked. They have
found high levels of a not teama in most of
these colonies.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
There you go, Joe, that's at just disease.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, he was curious because he's always curious about that
bee diarrhea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Yeah, they all had it and.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
We laugh, but it's not funny. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Oh well, you think how you feel after one night
of Montezuma's revenge. Yeah, and those poor beasts feel the
same way.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So then you get that, and then you get the
mites and you get the viruses. Not a good situation.
Uh So now it's starting to all them together while
they just all kind of hit the fan at the
same time. It sounds like to me and that's why
we had this major white bet Let's take a quick
break talk with Barbie Bletcher about the major honeybee loss
we had this past winter, going into the spring season,
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finding out what's going on. And there you go. So
we'll talk more with Barbie after the break. Here in
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Wilson's special guests. This morning, the Queen Bee Barbie Butcher,
finally got an update on what happened with all those
bees this spring, the huge loss, and it's gonna trickle
down for a couple of years. You're gonna see, you
know again, you lose that many bees. It's going to
affect a lot of different things, including what we don't
think about, and that's the pollination of the almonds and
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the blueberries and all of the produce out there, the
fruits and berries and all that. It's gonna take a
couple of years, and you know, do you ever fully
recover from that? I mean, thinking the bee keepers trying
to recover and rebuild their colonies is crazy, so I guess.
So the bottom line is, we found this out, we
see what's going on. Now, what's the next step.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Well, there's more to come yet, they're still working on
they colected these wax and bee bread and stuff to
look at. So there's more more to come. But I
think we have all learned some lessons from this. And
one of the key things, which you know, we learned
this in school and we've been taught, but we don't
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always follow through, is we need to switch or rotate
our chemical classes. You know, whether we're treating the tomatoes
in our backyard or treating bees. You know, we can't
depend on the same chemical class. We can't keep using
amtras over and over again and not expected to have
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a resistance issue. So we need to remember to do that,
and we need to monitor our mic level on a
regular basis, and then we treat and treat if you
have to. And then after you've treated, then you check
your mic levels again to see if your product actually
worked if you get the target. So I think there's
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some lessons that we need to learn and we need
to run. This is where you come in. We need
a better mic control product. You and Joe Boggs see
if you can come up with a new mic control
product that is inexpensive and effective.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And safe and doesn't kill bees and.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Doesn't kill it doesn't kill bees.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You forgot to throw that in there. Yeah, well, Barb,
you didn't tell us we couldn't kill the bees.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, you know, shoes always work, you know, a strong boot.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Can you see Joe in a basement somewhere, chemical lab
trying to come up with something.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Oh oh absolutely with all the bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's Joe. Yeah, no doubt about it.
So you know, so well this, so this is start.
So you think other things are going to come up
as well as far as other things are going to
find Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, they're still looking. They're still trying to find
out if there's some other pasticide that they pecked out
and brought in.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Or other things.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
So more as things are down the road. But yeah,
this part at least we can learn from, and we
need to teach and we need to remember to exercise ourselves.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And that's for all beekeepers, whether it's a home backyard
beekeeper or your commercial beekeeper, like these folks that travel
around and you know you and talk to me about
this many many years ago about how easy it is
for these viruses to spread, especially when you're in the
business of transporting your bees around to different states, different
areas of the country. They're also mingling with other bees,
(36:43):
and how easy it is to spread those viruses. I
take my forty colonies and go somewhere and then are clean,
and somebody else takes their forty colonies and they're not clean,
and next thing, you know, my colonies have that as well.
And how easy that is and how important it is
for all everybody. You've got to really stay on top
of this thing.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah, you know, they have holding yards out there in
California and they'll have several hundred thousand, well not one
hundred thousands, of hundreds to thousands of colonies just sitting
there waiting to move into almonds or to move back
out to another state, and they're just sitting there. And
then food and I forgot to bring that up, but
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you know, they need better nutrition, so they we can't.
You know, we feed our bees, but there's nothing better
than wild flowers, no wild natural sources of nectar and pollen.
So bees that have that are much better able to
tolerate and deal with, you know, other other stresses. So
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you know, we can all help with that by just
not having five acres of mood grass, but have some
flowers have some flowering trees.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I just h yeah, I got a think from the
I forget the game name and come small company has
done a lot of research on wildflower pollinator SOD that
they're actually growing SOD now with these wildflowers that they
you know, grow it for a year so it's all
rooted in and then they can cut that into springtime,
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roll it up, ship it out, you put it down,
keep it watered, and it's already got all of the
pollinator wildflowers yeah, in the sod. And it's a yeah,
I mean that's a that's phenomenal. So it's it would
be easy for you to you know, tear up a
you know, eight by ten, eight by twenty whatever in
your yard and put this in. You know, it's instant
(38:37):
and they're already growing and already rated. You just have
to keep it water. So I think it's pretty cool.
I saw a thing the other day, and I don't
know if I said this to you or not. Uh,
there's a global campaign out there for pollinators called be Wild.
Are you familiar with that one? I mean there's so
many out there today. And they started looking at the
emerging threats that could accelerate pollination losses, and of course
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still at the top of the list, like you just said,
habitat loss And you know, there's something that we all
can do our part, like you just said, and changing
our yards and gardens, our beautiful landscapes can stay just
as beautiful they are, or not or maybe even more
beautiful by changing them into a bed and breakfast for
all of our pollinators out there. But that's still at
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the top of the list. You know, pesticide still continues
to be a threat climate change, and I don't think
we think about that, but as the climate has been changing,
like you told us last fall, the golden rod, the
pollen wasn't there because of the dry warm, dry fall past.
Obviously invasive species obviously. Then they were still talking about
weather threats, and they were talking about pollution and you know,
(39:44):
air pollution and artificial light. I mean, there's so many
things to just make this cocktail of issues out there.
But the big thing one of right now that we
all can still do, and that is the be habitat,
making yard a bed and breakfast plan. Sunflowers they make
everybody smile. They're great to see and it's great for
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the bees. Plant sunflowers, says the Queen Bee Barbie Bletcher.
Thank you so much. We'll stay in touch with you,
all right. Take care, quick break we come back. Phone
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His website is Arbordoctor dot com ladies and gentlemen. Mister
ron rothis good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sir, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I am good great to hang out with you this
week at Mad Tree Brewery and uh with Steve Foltz
and Bill de Boor and Missus de Boor and the
whole group and giving away lots of uh uh tupelo
or black gum trees. And I see you got one
for yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I got two for myself.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh you would have taken two?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, he said I could take five, and I was
kind of running late for another engagement because I am,
of course on demand, So yes, a good dad'll Otherwise
I would have I would have made multiple in and
out trips to get my five. But yeah, I got
two at the add to the two that I already
have in my yard. I have a green gables and
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a wildfire black gum in my yard. And these of
course were street species that they were given away the
other night. So yeah, always been one of my favorite trees.
I love that tree and the story that goes with it.
Do we have time for that neat story? You know,
different trees have different common names, and some you know,
(02:15):
that's why we have botanical names for block gum. It's mississiovatica.
But block gum goes by a lot of different common names.
Block gum, black tupelo, sour gum, tupelo gum, just a
whole bunch of common names. Well, there was a lady
up in Connecticut many many years ago who had a
(02:36):
son who had major food allergies. And so the doctor said,
you need to bake your own cookies and cakes and
breads so that you will know that the ingredients that
are being put into those are ingredients that your son
is not allergic to. So she did that, and her
(02:57):
creations were wonderful, and her friends tried them out and said,
you know, this is great. You need to start selling
this stuff. So she lived on a farm in Connecticut
and had an outbuilding. So she turned the outbuilding into
a little bakery where she started to bake her creations
to sell. Well, this bakery, this building was shaded by
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two giant black gum trees. But in Connecticut, the black
the regional name for the black gum is pepperidge tree.
So she named her enterprise Pepperidge Farm. And now you
know the rest of the story.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You know, you should have tried to change your voice
so you sound the more like Paul Harvey.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I should have tried. I always loved Paul Harvey, so
to do that. That actually was a Paul Harvey rest
of the story a number of decades ago, and of
course since black Gum has always been one of my
favorite trees, when he did a rest of the story
on that tree, obviously it's stuck with me. Sure.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh absolutely, I loved those segments. I thought they were great,
all of them, you know, because it was all you
You've paid attention to find out what was the rest
of the story. Uh, those were outstanding. So that's a
great is a great story.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
By the way, Mike Rowe is doing some similar things today.
Matter of fact, he said that it's kind of modeled
after Paul Harvey's rest of the story. He calls it
the way I heard it. It's not exactly the same,
but it's similar. And Mike Rowe has said that he definitely,
you know, really enjoyed the rest of the story segments too.
(04:42):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's amazing his voiceovers up here and so many different things.
You're watching TV and you realize this Mike row doing
the uh uh doing those talking about Ron Roethlis though,
and that's the important person today. And we do want
to thank the Bill de Boor and all the folks
at Woody Warehouse and of course the folks at Man
Tree Brewery for giving away four hundred and fifty black
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gums to be planted in the Cincinnati area. And they
were absolutely free. Those were nice too. Those were like
four and five feet tall. Those were just little saplings.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, there were beautiful trees. You know what's interesting too.
You mentioned my new credential, which is a prescription tree
pruning credential. I went up to Well, I went up
last fall to Wooster, Ohio for two day workshop with
doctor ed Gilman on prescription tree pruning, and then this
(05:35):
April Lindsay Purcell did the full prescription tree pruning training
up in Indianapolis. Well, I had ordered some trees from
Woody Warehouse go to Borst Place, and he's been after
me for a couple of years to come out and
see the nursery. So I was going to send one
(05:55):
of my team numbers up there, but it's like, well,
I'm going up to Indianapolis with my new arborius, Mandy Ganjief,
who comes to us from Portland, Oregon. So Mandy and
I both went up to Indianapolis for the three day
training and prescription tree pruning, and then afterwards I drove
on out to the west to Woody Warehouse and did
(06:16):
an hour or tour around the nursery with Bill. I
picked up my plants and came back to Cincinnati. So
I got to see Woody Warehouse in their operation, which
is quite impressive out there, while at the same time
you qualifying for the prescription tree purning. So see how
that all gets wrapped up. You know, you're like, where's
(06:37):
he going with us? Well there you get.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well the whole point you were able to travel for
four or five days and make it a business trip.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, that's all. I'm going to be doing even more
than that, So there you go. I'm doing twenty five
days this fall to New Zealand and Australia for the
International Society of Arboriculture conference, So I'm making that a business.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh excuse me.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
If the International Socide of our Book Culture is going
to have their annual conference in christ Church, New Zealand,
and I just turned sixty years old, so it's like
I've got to start taking advantage of these things.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So, uh, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Me on, and if you want to have me on
in October, we better figure out what the time.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What the time differentially is you'll have to get up
in the middle of the night, I guess and do that.
I'll never make it to eat one of those places,
because I don't think I could stay in an airplane
that long, for that long period of time. But there
you go, all right, talk with Ron Roth.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I already have my flight reservations. It's seventeen hours and
twenty minutes time. Eighteen hours man Dallas to Sydney.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yep. I couldn't do it. I don't think I could
do it. No way, talk with Ron Rothis are certified
oarburst obviously, and of course an amateur meteorologist. So I
guess we're on. The first thing I want to take
a look at is looking back to the spring of
twenty twenty five. If I had to summon up based
on just the gut feeling, I would say it was
(08:07):
a cooler than usual and more rainfall than usual. And
you're gonna probably come back to him to again say, well,
some days weren't some days weren't. And all I reached
out to where it normally would be, or am I right.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, it was kind of a strange spring. March was
very warm this year, at least here locally, we were
six point seven degrees above normal, and April was two
degrees above normal. So it was the spring was the
spring was warm. May was actually about a degree below normal,
(08:47):
so we got cooler as the spring went on, But overall,
I think it averaged out in Cincinnati at least well
above normal, although last year was really a normal I
think February last year was ten degrees above normal, so
it probably seemed a little bit cooler this year. Precipitation
(09:08):
overall was well above normal, but surprisingly May at my
location was an inch below normal. But even that is
misleading because April was way above normal and May had
a lot of wet days. And his buggy Joe has
pointed out a number of times on your show and
(09:30):
many other places, when you get a lot of heavy rain,
it can actually knock the disease spores off of tree leaves.
When you get a lot of wet, damp, moist days,
it just allows the disease spores to party hardy and
you get a lot of follier diseases. And because we
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had so many wet days this spring and in May
a lot of cool wet days when it didn't rain hard,
but it was just drizzly, or maybe we got a
tenth or two tenths to one inch rain really facilitated
a lot of disease issues. We had a diagnostic walk
about on Monday with Buggy Joe Hi, a Green Industry
(10:15):
Association down at Spring Grove Cemetery and Arboretum, and we
looked at the original the parent plant for the Spring
Grove dogwood, and it was ravaged with I think it
was septory at least spot really was being affected by it.
And I know Joe made the comments that he'd never
seen that on Spring Grove cultivar before, and it's just because,
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I mean, I think the consensus was the tree is
going to be okay, but esthetically it didn't look too good.
And I think the consensus was that, you know, it's
just been one of those years. And of course Spring
Grove Cemetery itself is down in the Mill Creek Valley
of Cincinnati, so you get a little bit more fog
and moisture down there, and if you get more fogging moisture,
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you're in a year that's already voiced. It's really just
facilitate those bowler diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And I think I've gotten more emails this year with
the leaf spot on dogwood that I think I've ever seen. Uh,
and you know, not just a tree form, but the
red twig variegated. All of those have all had leave spot,
probably worse than I think I've ever seen it. Basically,
like you said, because of the way the weather has
been talking with Ron rothis' website is arbordoctor dot com.
(11:27):
So we're gonna come out of this spring season going
in again to the summer season. What does he see.
We're into the meteorological summer already starting the first of June.
So what's Ron gonna see over the June, July, and
August months of summer. We'll find out after the break.
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the Garden with Ron Wilson, special guest this morning the
arbor Dock Ronroth is his website arbordoctor dot com talking
about the spring season, what it felt like, but yet
what's the reality of it? And that's what he's all about,
is that he charts it so we know exactly the
reality of what we thought. Is typically never what we thought.
It's always something different. But in the end it all
(12:58):
seems to average out, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, it does. And just because I was that way,
I think some of the other areas in the Ohio
Valley were actually were even a little bit wetter. In May,
there was one some storm complex sticular that dumped on
the airport and they and moved in my direction and
I could see it for my house, and it was
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coming in, and it just dissolved as it came in,
and I got almost nothing. I think the airport got
an inch and I got nothing. So I was an
inch below normal for the month, and that one missing,
that one thunderstorm made that difference. So you know, other
areas I think were closer to normal or even a
little bit above normal for May. But I think the
take on message is that whether you were a little
(13:43):
bit below normal or normal, we had a lot of
wet days and that's what really was. It was the
biggest factor when it came to horticulture.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And then in the second take home, I wanted to
just quickly mention before we talk about your prediction, is
that you brought up seeing the leaf spot on the
spring Grove dogwood, which is an outstanding selection of white dogwoods.
By the way, that thing is phenomenal. But seeing a
lot do I, oh, yeah, it's it's and if you
(14:14):
want to see the parent plant, I just go to
Spring Grove Cemetery and I'll read them. But seeing a
lot of love, well yeah, but still, I mean it's
a great tree. But and even it was the protection
that it had got lost with a storm and there
was some questionnaire to see what it would do now
was in full sun, and it's still doing great. So
but point being is, at this stage in the game,
(14:34):
we're seeing a lot of leaf spot on. We're seeing
an apple scab, we're seeing the subtory leaf spot, we're
seeing these leaf diseases showing up some on the hydrangees.
At this point, when you see that, there's nothing you
can do. It's more you know, it's too late to
try to protect them anyway, so you just kind of
keep the plant as healthy as possible, rake up the
leaves as they drop. But no fund style applications, I'm
(14:56):
assuming at this stage.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, that's that's pretty well right. I mean we're pretty
well past the I mean, fungicides generally prevent or suppress infection.
They don't cure it once it's there. But I think
one of the other take on messages is that, you know,
we talked about the spring grove, something doug wood down
there that doesn't look good this year. People tend to
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see that. They panic, you know, they start dumping fertilizer
on the tree and the run out and get a
fung aside. I've even had people see, you know, that
leaf spottle over a tree like that and they'll run
out and get malefion and spray it, which is insecticide,
which says nothing, you know, and it's like, no, just
settle down, calm down, you know, we don't have to
go crazy. Just realize that that one year, one bad year,
(15:43):
is not going to destroy the plane, at least not
with a lot of these leaf spot diseases. If it's
a cultivar or a plant that gets them every year,
that is going to cut down in the photosynthetic potential
a lot. So you might want to plan a you know,
fungicide program in the future for you know, future years
(16:04):
for a plant like that. But if it's one bad year,
don't sweat it, you know, just write it out this
year and then it'll probably be fine next year.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So, but but you know, overreacting, you know, fertilizer can
actually lots of you know, lectro fertilizer can actually increase
disease susceptibility. Uh, you know, mauthion, you're just killing beneficial accepts.
You're not doing anything with a fungal disease.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah. The bottom line is, don't spray anything until you
know for sure what it is. And whether or not
you even need to spray, and I get that all
the time. Well, I got out those the whatever, then
I sprayed it and that still has it. Well, guess what,
It's a disease, not an insect, and you know whatever.
But yeah, make sure you know what it is, diagnose it,
figure out if you even need to spray for it,
and then what is the best thing to spray with
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Talking with Ron rothis the arbordoctor auberdoctor dot com. Okay,
we got about a minute a half to go, So
we're looking now we're into the meteorological summer June, July
and August. What are you seeing as we trans this
amount of where we've been this spring end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'll tell you what I'm seeing my manage meadow at
my house, although my summer blooming plants coming on strong,
so I'm looking forward to it. From a standpoint of weather,
it's looking hot over a good part of the country
this summer, above normal over most of the country with
a caveat. When we say above normal, we're saying, you know,
(17:25):
above the thirty year average, which with climate change tends
to be more often than not anymore. It looks like
the best chance of being closer to normal or the
or the area that maybe isn't going to be quite
as bad is going to be from the upper Mississippi
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Valley in Great Lakes down in the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys,
so those areas might be have more days that are
more moderate, maybe even some cooler days thrown in like
we've had already this early summer. But New England and
Florida and areas from Louisiana to the northwest, it's going
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to be hot a lot of the areas, a lot
of the country is going to be dry, but east
coast the Appalachians are the best chance of above normal
precipitation in the High Valley and to go either way.
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eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. And
of course we've been addressing this major uh coming out
of the winter loss this year of the honeybees in
the United States. And I'm talking major, big time hit,
(20:48):
millions of bees lost and of course affecting our honey
and the bee population having just you know, a lot
of money involved here and a lot of bees gone
as well, what the heck happened?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Will?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They've been doing a lot of research, and Barbie Bletcher,
our Queen Bee, has been keeping us updated and we
this week have gotten a new report on some of
their findings. So joining us this morning is our Queen Bee,
Barbie b Letcher. Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Finally we got some news.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Finally got some news. And you know what's funny is
your your first email to me said I haven't had
a chance to read through the report yet, but give
me time. I still haven't made it through that report.
How do you How do you read that?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
My gosh. I kept back. I was like, I just
I would read about three sentences and I would go,
what did that say? I finally, I'll be honest with you.
I finally put it down and said, we'll talk to
Barb on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Some of the virus stuff, the materials and methods was
kind of over my head.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You went over your head. Yes, well I don't feel
so bad then? Yeah? That was that was That was
That was pretty complicated. So so anyway they've been doing
for folks that don't know we're talking about, which I'm
surprised because it has been quite a bit in the news,
A major loss of honey bees coming out of the
winner this year, obviously tracked by the major bee keepers,
(22:14):
and it was right about time of shipping bees to
the almond groves and all the bees being moved around
for spring pollination, and these bees were all showing up.
Well not they're all dead. And you know, again, the
dollar value of the losses over this year is phenomenal
in b production, B products, things like that. But of
(22:38):
course then the big question is what happened. And you know,
we went through this several years ago where the colony
collapse disorder came into effect, which really got things started, right,
I mean, as far as really good research and money
put into what's going on with the bees, that really
did kick it off. And that's where we kind of
got involved with you more at that time, trying to
(22:58):
figure out what was going on. And so it's been interesting.
So anyway, the report a report has been published, and
you are here to help us kind of sore through
and tell us what what are they finding out?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, so they're estimating a six hundred million dollar loss
and that doesn't count lost to the blueberries and the
apples down the road. You know that are not being
pollinated as well as they should be, so that that's
substantial to all of us. Yeah really, yeah, I mean,
(23:33):
I just it's kind of staggering to think about that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So, they they had many, many, many reports from beekeepers
and they looked at both live, dying, and dead colonies
from six of the major beekeepers who had about one
hundred and eighty four thousand colonies, which is only a
(23:57):
small percentage of our total a number of population of
colonies in the United States, but they all had substantial losses.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
One hundred and eighty four thousand colonies.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yeah, okay, I think that the largest the beekeeper with
the largest number of colonies in the United States, And
I always got this wrong, but I think it's eighty
thousand colonies. One beekeeper who manages eighty thousand colonies. No way,
he has lots of drones.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And worker bees to help him.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Holy yeah, so they so, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So they looked at these bees and they did find
several key viruses, the four well, I guess the four
main ones that struck out. There's two deformed wing viruses.
They call it A and B, but deformed wing virus
which is linked with verroamites because the romites vector virus
(25:01):
just like a dear tickle vector.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Viruses to us right diseases, disease does.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So they had two of those. They had Israeli Acute
paralysis virus, which is they call IAPV, and that was
linked with colony collapse, with the disappearing of the colonies.
So they had really high levels of that. It's like
seventy seventy eight percent or seventy two percent of the
colonies and the bees individually that they looked at had
(25:31):
that Israeli acute paralysis virus. Then they had acute B
paralysis virus two, which were really high levels. So they
found like seven other viruses, but those four were extremely
high compared to a normal colony with viruses, so that
kind of peaked your interests. So they started looking at
(25:54):
those viruses and they found it present in all the
colonies they examined. But the weird thing is that they
found them in the healthy colonies as well as the
dead and dying collies. So you can't just say, well,
these bees had viruses and these didn't. It wasn't it
wasn't that easy. But they found individual bees that had
(26:17):
really high virulent strains or races of these viruses to
the point that they were showing symptoms. You know, they
kind of stagger, their tongue, they sticking out, they kind
of look like they're drunk walking around in front of
the hive. So they saw those, So they took viruses
(26:37):
out of these really sick bees showing symptoms and they
injected them into the pupa that developing bees and adult
bees of healthy bees, and then they got those symptoms.
So what they found is that there's even though collectively
the colonies had these viruses, there are certain bees individuals
(26:59):
in each colony that had these really high levels to
the point that they were staggering and dying. If they
took the virus out of those and gave them to
the other bees, they got that same high level of
virus and it killed them. Even like I think they
you know, a small percentage of a very weak dilution
(27:22):
of that virus injected into what seemed like healthy bees,
they would get that really high virulent strain of virus
and they would kill them. So, you know, bees, when
they're sick, they beg for food from their sisters, and
they feed each other anyhow. But the sick ones are
begging food from the others. So the sisters that are
(27:45):
really sick are spreading it to each other. And then
you only need one sick mite or one mite that
has this virus to spread it to all her brothers
and sisters and they all get it. So you don't
have to have a whole colony with high virus. You
only need even one really sick bee to virtually kill
(28:09):
the entire colony within days. Wow, that's the part that
I had to read three times. Yeah, I really understand
what they were trying to say reading your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I much appreciated the two pages there because it made
sense to me. After I read your interpretation, I was
reading another one, I was like, I'm lost. I don't
know Barbile explained it to us. So I appreciate you
doing that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
So can virtually kill sixty six million exposed bees. Wow,
with a dilution a solution, it can still kill them.
So these are really virulent, highly infectious strains of.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
These viruses, and so folks understand how they're getting the
viruses and are these are these high strains? Has just
just come on recently, that's the first question. And secondly
is of course those are vector to those bees through
a mite.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right through the they're all linked to a sub or
a might so and that was the other part of
the study is that you know, commercial beekeeper or so
they have they have to keep their bottom line slightly
above you know, they have to make some kind of
profit because it's their livelihood, right, so they use amtres.
They use a formulation of amatras, which is a common
(29:33):
MITA side that they can kind of afford to treat
for their MIGHT So because it is it is less
expensive and it has worked in the past, they have
been using that same mitaside over and over again and
not checking their to see if it worked. And you think,
(29:54):
if you have you know, even twenty even two thousand colonies,
how do you check them on a regular basis to
see if your MIGHT product is working. So they're using
this might product might control product, and the bee the
might developed a resistance to it. So the mites weren't
even being killed by this mit aside. So that just
(30:19):
added to it because these mites were just you know,
even one one mite that spreads that virus can kill
that entire colony and all the other colonies because you know,
bees are going to flowers and dropping off virus. You know,
there they rob from each other, and the mites are
dropping off each the bees as they're going from colony
to colony, so when they're hungry they don't have enough food.
(30:42):
Bees rob from each other other colonies, so the mites
are on these bees, they drop off in another colony,
and whammo, you know all the other colonies that are
affected as well.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I mean, it really is to think this through,
so we know higher strains and that's kind of unique,
I guess. And then you get this that might have
said it's all of a sudden not working and no
one's really kind of paying attention. You put all that together.
By the way, Joe strecker vious, I don't know if
you're saying to you when he called you, but uh,
(31:16):
does the bee diarrhea fall into this anywhere?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Actually I'm glad, he I'm glad, he asked. They have
found high levels of a not teama in most of
these colonies.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
There you go, Joe, that's at just disease.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, he was curious because he's always curious about that
bee diarrhea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Yeah, they all had it and.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
We laugh, but it's not funny. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Oh well, you think how you feel after one night
of Montezuma's revenge. Yeah, and those poor beasts feel the
same way.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So then you get that, and then you get the
mites and you get the viruses. Not a good situation.
Uh So now it's starting to all them together while
they just all kind of hit the fan at the
same time. It sounds like to me and that's why
we had this major white bet Let's take a quick
break talk with Barbie Bletcher about the major honeybee loss
we had this past winter, going into the spring season,
(32:14):
finding out what's going on. And there you go. So
we'll talk more with Barbie after the break. Here in
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talk station. Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron
(33:12):
Wilson's special guests. This morning, the Queen Bee Barbie Butcher,
finally got an update on what happened with all those
bees this spring, the huge loss, and it's gonna trickle
down for a couple of years. You're gonna see, you
know again, you lose that many bees. It's going to
affect a lot of different things, including what we don't
think about, and that's the pollination of the almonds and
(33:33):
the blueberries and all of the produce out there, the
fruits and berries and all that. It's gonna take a
couple of years, and you know, do you ever fully
recover from that? I mean, thinking the bee keepers trying
to recover and rebuild their colonies is crazy, so I guess.
So the bottom line is, we found this out, we
see what's going on. Now, what's the next step.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Well, there's more to come yet, they're still working on
they colected these wax and bee bread and stuff to
look at. So there's more more to come. But I
think we have all learned some lessons from this. And
one of the key things, which you know, we learned
this in school and we've been taught, but we don't
(34:17):
always follow through, is we need to switch or rotate
our chemical classes. You know, whether we're treating the tomatoes
in our backyard or treating bees. You know, we can't
depend on the same chemical class. We can't keep using
amtras over and over again and not expected to have
(34:37):
a resistance issue. So we need to remember to do that,
and we need to monitor our mic level on a
regular basis, and then we treat and treat if you
have to. And then after you've treated, then you check
your mic levels again to see if your product actually
worked if you get the target. So I think there's
(35:00):
some lessons that we need to learn and we need
to run. This is where you come in. We need
a better mic control product. You and Joe Boggs see
if you can come up with a new mic control
product that is inexpensive and effective.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And safe and doesn't kill bees and.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Doesn't kill it doesn't kill bees.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You forgot to throw that in there. Yeah, well, Barb,
you didn't tell us we couldn't kill the bees.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, you know, shoes always work, you know, a strong boot.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Can you see Joe in a basement somewhere, chemical lab
trying to come up with something.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Oh oh absolutely with all the bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's Joe. Yeah, no doubt about it.
So you know, so well this, so this is start.
So you think other things are going to come up
as well as far as other things are going to
find Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, they're still looking. They're still trying to find
out if there's some other pasticide that they pecked out
and brought in.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Or other things.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
So more as things are down the road. But yeah,
this part at least we can learn from, and we
need to teach and we need to remember to exercise ourselves.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And that's for all beekeepers, whether it's a home backyard
beekeeper or your commercial beekeeper, like these folks that travel
around and you know you and talk to me about
this many many years ago about how easy it is
for these viruses to spread, especially when you're in the
business of transporting your bees around to different states, different
areas of the country. They're also mingling with other bees,
(36:43):
and how easy it is to spread those viruses. I
take my forty colonies and go somewhere and then are clean,
and somebody else takes their forty colonies and they're not clean,
and next thing, you know, my colonies have that as well.
And how easy that is and how important it is
for all everybody. You've got to really stay on top
of this thing.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah, you know, they have holding yards out there in
California and they'll have several hundred thousand, well not one
hundred thousands, of hundreds to thousands of colonies just sitting
there waiting to move into almonds or to move back
out to another state, and they're just sitting there. And
then food and I forgot to bring that up, but
(37:22):
you know, they need better nutrition, so they we can't.
You know, we feed our bees, but there's nothing better
than wild flowers, no wild natural sources of nectar and pollen.
So bees that have that are much better able to
tolerate and deal with, you know, other other stresses. So
(37:45):
you know, we can all help with that by just
not having five acres of mood grass, but have some
flowers have some flowering trees.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I just h yeah, I got a think from the
I forget the game name and come small company has
done a lot of research on wildflower pollinator SOD that
they're actually growing SOD now with these wildflowers that they
you know, grow it for a year so it's all
rooted in and then they can cut that into springtime,
(38:15):
roll it up, ship it out, you put it down,
keep it watered, and it's already got all of the
pollinator wildflowers yeah, in the sod. And it's a yeah,
I mean that's a that's phenomenal. So it's it would
be easy for you to you know, tear up a
you know, eight by ten, eight by twenty whatever in
your yard and put this in. You know, it's instant
(38:37):
and they're already growing and already rated. You just have
to keep it water. So I think it's pretty cool.
I saw a thing the other day, and I don't
know if I said this to you or not. Uh,
there's a global campaign out there for pollinators called be Wild.
Are you familiar with that one? I mean there's so
many out there today. And they started looking at the
emerging threats that could accelerate pollination losses, and of course
(38:58):
still at the top of the list, like you just said,
habitat loss And you know, there's something that we all
can do our part, like you just said, and changing
our yards and gardens, our beautiful landscapes can stay just
as beautiful they are, or not or maybe even more
beautiful by changing them into a bed and breakfast for
all of our pollinators out there. But that's still at
(39:20):
the top of the list. You know, pesticide still continues
to be a threat climate change, and I don't think
we think about that, but as the climate has been changing,
like you told us last fall, the golden rod, the
pollen wasn't there because of the dry warm, dry fall past.
Obviously invasive species obviously. Then they were still talking about
weather threats, and they were talking about pollution and you know,
(39:44):
air pollution and artificial light. I mean, there's so many
things to just make this cocktail of issues out there.
But the big thing one of right now that we
all can still do, and that is the be habitat,
making yard a bed and breakfast plan. Sunflowers they make
everybody smile. They're great to see and it's great for
(40:07):
the bees. Plant sunflowers, says the Queen Bee Barbie Bletcher.
Thank you so much. We'll stay in touch with you,
all right. Take care, quick break we come back. Phone
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