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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Our toll free number eight hundred and eight two three
eight two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personally yard boy, trying to work our way through
this hot month of July. We'll see what happens here,
but just gotta stay cool. Work in the morning, work
in the evening. Keep those plants watered as best you can,
and keep adding organic matter back to the soil. Remember
(00:57):
how important that is when we get into these times
of the year, that organic man I can really make
or break a lot of things. So plants, and keep
your you know again, I say, pamper your worms. That's
one of the ways you're doing it. You keep pampering
those worms, You're gonna make your plants happy campers as well.
So make sure we keep adding those orghatograntic matter as
(01:18):
best we can as we plant on a regular basis.
To the gardening phone lines, we shall go to Deer Park, Ohio. Joe,
Good morning, Hey, Good morning, Ron.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Joe? I'm great and yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, i'd be better if the deer we're not eating
my bobo hydranges.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh don't you love that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You know, Ron, We've never had deer in our neighborhood
until this year really, and this year, I mean there's
like seven or eight.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Deer running around.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
But anyway, they pretty much eaten all the foliage off
of the high Ranges, the High Biscus. But anyway, my
question is Runnyway too. Is there a decent repellent that actually,
you know, actually work?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know there wasn't. There was a joke there at
the very beginning. But I'm sure you've heard that before.
You live in Deer Park and you've never had any deer.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I know, that's what everybody shayd.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, they've never been a problem until this year. I'll
put it that one.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, you know, and in an amazing in some years
you have, some years don't, and it's just yeah, they're
just it's becoming more and more of an issue. But
to answer your question, are the repellents out there that
really do work? You know? The thing of it is,
most of the repellents that are sold commercially that you'll
see on the shelf has a guarantee that they work,
and you know, they've been tested and researched and they
(02:34):
typically do work. As far as being a pretty good
repellent to keep them moving on. But there's other issues involved.
If the if the deer are in high population areas
where there's a bunch of them around, they'll go through
about anything to eat. I mean, it's a matter of survival.
So they go right through the repellents and they continue
to feed on plants that you know that they enjoy
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that that that that's part of their their brows. Uh,
So they'll go through it. Some times they get used
to the repellents that you put out. So folks use
the same repellent time after time after time over time,
and kind of they get used to it and then
they go through that. So we have found that mixing
it up, so using one for a while then coming
and using another one for a while seems to work
(03:17):
a little bit better. And one thing I've also found
is that if you freshen up the deer spray every week.
Now I'm not talking about going out there and spraying everything,
but what I'm talking about is doing whatever you're going
to apply your deer repellents and then maybe when you're
out there on a Saturday morning or whatever, take I
was ready to use bottle of what you use and
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just kind of lightly missed it here and there, just
to kind of freshen it up a bit. Doctor Allen
Armidy's taught me that several years ago, and he said,
it's amazing. Just freshening it up just a tad when
you're out there really does help. So what repellents work
the best? Oh and one last thing, you know, there's
nothing better than physical barriers. That's your that's your sure cure.
(04:02):
But you obviously you're not going to do that with
these hydrangees and all that. So what do we do?
There is a there's one product out there called a
scarecrow motion detector. You hook it up to a garden hose.
It has a motion detector that picks up the movement
of the deer, goes right to the deer and shoots
someone with a spray of water and it does a
really good job of moving them on. And if you
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google scarecrow deer repellent or deer scarecrow deer with chaser,
it would come up and show you how they how
it works. But anyway, that's a possibility. When it comes
to repellents. Some of the good standbys that continue to
be strong out there are liquid fence, deer scram repels
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all Bobex is another one, and using those all interchangeably,
so you use one for a while, you use another
one for a while, I think you'll find better success.
And there's one more I'll add to the list that
I've been We've been using for about two years now
and it's getting really good reviews from a lot of folks.
I gave a bunch of it away just so folks
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can try it. It's called deer ribbon or yeah, deer
ribbon deer guard ribbon, and it's actually a ribbon of
material that you like stream through your plants and it's
stood a pretty darn good job. The other thing you
want to do, Joe, is not only spray to protect
the plants that you know that you're trying to protect,
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but also go out to the edges of your property
and do some of those deer repellents out there too,
hopefully to get the deer to move on to the
neighbor's yard and not come in yours, because they smell
that right off the bat, so we can stop them out.
So if you can stop them out further away from
the house, great, if they do wander into there, then
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you've got the second back up around your plants that
you're trying to protect, you know. And sometimes folks will
go oh and go ahead and put the nylon netting
over them or in front of them or whatever. The
deer hate that as well. But it's usually a combination
of all of those things and you can hopefully get
them to reduce the brows and uh and get them
(06:15):
to move on more. But I you know, again, they're
all guaranteed to work, and they do, but there's just
so many other factors involved. Weather can be another factor
as well, So you just try to use a good combination.
Use them regular, keep them freshened, use them out away
from the house as well as up close to the house.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You put all those factors together, hopefully we can keep
moving on.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So Ron, it sounds like you like the liquids better
than the granular.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, no, I like. Now deer scram comes both ways.
As a matter of fact. It's it's a granular and
they are now working on a on a liquid or
water soluble if they haven't gotten that one out there yet.
But I like deer scram and that's one you would
sprinkle around the base of the plants, and that that
deer scram we've had that for a long time does great.
And I and and then you can back that up
with a foli or spray such as liquid fence would
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probably be second on my list. Bob as is right there.
And the thing about repels all is I think that's
probably the only one that's labeled for around edibles. She
had to be careful about that too, around around your
vegetable gardens. So those are four plus that that uh,
that deer ribbon. I tell you what that. I tell
(07:25):
you that deer ribbon has gotten some really good results.
I'd keep that one in mind as well.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I will thank you, thank you, line right, Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Good luck with everything. Appreciate the call. I appreciate appreciate
you listening to the show. I tell you, deer tough,
and you know, it's fun sometimes to hear what folks
have done to get the deer to move on. But
the bottom line is is that you know you've got
to just keep mixing it up, try to do whatever
you can. You're trying to trick them. And I think
the one thing we forget about is you try to
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get out away from the house, out onto your property
lines more or to get them to move on so
they don't even come into the property to see what's
in there for them to browse from your salad bowl.
That our landscapes have all become for deer, and of
course they become more used to the people and the
smells and all of that. So you got to keep
(08:16):
mixing it up doing whatever that's scarecrow. Those motion detectors,
they do work. They're extremely effective and they don't waste
water to one and that's it. But they're very good too,
and that's something you would put further out away from
the property to keep those deer from moving on. And
if you have problems with kids coming in the yard
and toilet paper in your yard, that's a good way
(08:37):
to stop them from doing that too. Is it'll course
court tim as well, but anyway that that's a great
way to do that. So again it's a mix it up,
be creative. That the deer guard ribbon again, I say
two years now and we have gotten really good results
from that. And so as a combination of all of
the above, and again look at some of the lists
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of playing said dear, don't browse as much and tried
maybe even have to go that farting and switch it out.
So that's out there for you too. All right, we're
gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we've
got Gary Slivon with a little home improvement. And then
after Gary Slivon, you know who's up after that, the man,
mister Buggy, Joe Boggs. And it's all happening here in
the garden with Ron Wilson, dream.
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Speaker 1 (12:28):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for a little home improvement. That's right, home improvement, not
talking about landscaping, but your home actually physically your home interior, exterior.
And there's only one person that we go to to
learn more about home improvement because he is the most
listened to home improvement show host in the entire world,
(12:51):
the entire solar system. His website, Gary Suilon Online dot com.
Ladies and gentlemen, the mandament, the legend, the one, the
only Gary. I'm home. I look for you. What was
that Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday night, I looked for you?
(13:15):
Where did you look for me? I was watching this
band cover the eighties? Is that Liberty? Square Liberty.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh yeah up there, Yeah, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It looked like your crowd and I just hung out.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What do you mean, Mike crowd?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh I'm sorry, what's that supposed to mean? But I
hung out and I thought for sure I see you
and Sue show up and no.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It is a good time out there.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, folks are having a great time. But agree, but
it was interesting. Why am I Why are more of
these cover bands that's more of the eighties now nineties?
What happened the sixties and seventies?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, I don't think we need to go to that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think the crowd would enjoy them a little bit
more if it dipped back into the seventies a bit,
Is that right? I really do?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, I'll pass that on.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Would you pass that long form? Well, I'm sure you
have a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Actually, Thursday night was a nice night.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It was a wonderful night. Soon as the sun went down,
we you know, we had a little dinner there on
the one of the restaurants, and then the came out
there and sat and watched the band for a little
while and realized the solvents weren't going to be home
be there, so then we left so no, I did
not go to bed.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You didn't know.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm not as old as you. I still was able
to stay awake.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And do a few things. Actually, Thursday night it finally
got cool enough. I actually cut the front yard.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh did you?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's what I was doing? No music for me?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Made my music? What is going on with the nuts
nuts edge?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What do we have lots of rainfall? Do we have moisture? Water?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sets it?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I was with a group of people yesterday and that
came up like three different times.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
What do they call that?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah? And I thought we used to talk about that
all the time. It seemed like twenty years ago. I
mean it was everywhere well in mind, I guess I
got it controlled. I just didn't have it. And then
this year, bam, it's back, and you're right, it's the
heat and the water.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And then twenty years ago, we didn't have anything that
could control it that homeowners could get. You had to
call in the professionals or kill everything out and start
all over again. And of course now that's all about
you know, those are available for homeowners to use it,
to treat it. We know more about it, we know
to watch for it. We don't identify it, know what
it can do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You can't misidentifying it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it's you know where it's where it gets tough sometimes.
And this is a tough one. You know. You know
what loriopy is, right? Uh hun you guys if you
get that growing in the loriopey, yeah, sometimes it kind
of yeah, it kind of blends together a little bit.
You're kind of like, and then what do you do?
How do you spray that? Well, the kicker is you
can use those over the top sprays because the reopey
(15:49):
is not really a grass. Huh, So you can actually
do that. But I think we know more about it.
You know, we still see it, I mean still there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, but it's just not been an issue.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And the issue yeah, perfect conditions, so no doubt. All right,
I got questions for you home improvement man. Oh are
you ready? Somebody's working you Are you ready? Those the
what do you call the I know it's just going
to be a simple name. The thing you put on
the hydraulic that pulls the screen doors closed closer is
(16:24):
that it is a screen door closer, storm door closed
storm door closer. There you go. We have two on
ours each one. I swear I put a new one
on there, and they just don't seem how often you
have to replace those, Like right now, I've got those
things screwed in. You know, you adjust the little screw
right all the way back and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just heavy door something. Because seriously, I've heard people talking
about what you're talking about, and that is a cash
every year I'm replacing that. I've got two lightweight screen doors,
not necessarily storm doors that are on the porch, and
those closers are twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's because it's you, no, these are these are storm
doors that have the glass, uh huh, that have the glass,
a good window that goes up and down right, So
it's a heavier.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It might be the weight.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, it's the heavier thing. And then it seems like
I and you got to replace them both. You can't
just do one right. I never I could never get
the adjustments right. I don't know. I screw around those
all the time, and I just.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They I haven't chopped form lately r. But they used
to have like more of a heavy duty one too,
had a little bigger bar in a barrel, I guess
you would call it. And you know, I think it
was pneumatic, and those might be a little stronger. It
might be the way to the door would be my
(17:50):
guess right.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It faces the west, so if anything, you know, it
really does work there a little bit more because the
winds sometime, you know, or they're obviously coming out of
the west a little bit more, so it has to
work a little bit harder than the one in the
back of the house that faces the east.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'll tell you what really screws those up really fast, grandkids.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
So you don't know about the.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Closures, but I know the screens. There was a period
in there. I think I was changing out the screen
in the screen door, probably annually. Huh. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What, I can't I can't look at a screen door
without thinking of you, Now, what did I do?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Don't you remember that thirty years ago with a screen
door thing?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I don't think so, But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That you would repair the screen doors for people?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh yeah, boy, that is that is a long time.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
How did that get started?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Somebody mentioned they should bring a screen door to me
on radio broadcasts?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And somebody did, Yes, oh goad the days all right,
all right, So that was one okay. Second one, you know,
we do use obviously the stones now, the tumbler stones
and all that for our patios and walkways, including still
using the eighteen and twenty four inch squares concrete steppers.
(19:17):
Is it advisable to take those and we're done putting
those in and actually using a concrete seiler on those
like we would our sidewalks and our driveways, Would it
make those last longer?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I don't think so, Farkos, I mean, unless it's going
to be. I think really what destroys concrete and pavers
and everything else is corrosive materials we use on those things,
aka rock, salt, and ice melders. That's really what does
(19:52):
the damage. The advantage to use in a seiler on
that would be to minimize water penetration. Not so much
because the water is gonna break down the concrete. It's
just that it's that moisture is gonna stay on the
surface or in that concrete for an extended period of time.
(20:13):
In other words, it's not going to dry out by
nine point thirty in the morning. It right not dry
out till noon and then molden mildew becomes an issue.
But really, not cutting down the life more of a
cosmetic and there's also some sealers out there that have
a little bit of sheen to it which really looks
good on a brick.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So yes, if you want to, but not necessarily not necessary.
Got it? Gary Sullivan Always a pleasure, Gary solivon his website,
Garysullivan online dot COMY sure and check it out. Of course,
listen to his shows because are always great as well.
Coming up next, Buggy Joe Boggs Here in the Garden
with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (23:08):
Welcome back here in the Guard with Ron Wilson, in
this time for the Buggy Joe Boggs. Important mister Joe
Boggs and says a professor commercial hord coach, educator for
the Old House Tate University Extension no Issue Department of Entomology,
post a boy for OSUE Extension, co creator of Mathra
Coffee Imporium. The website b Y G L dot O,
s U dot E d U, Ladies and gentlemen, Mister
(23:30):
common sense, you called himself Buggy Joe Bogs. Hello Joe,
Hello Joe, Hello.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You got the coffee, and uh, we've got the conversation. Coffee,
conversation can't be better than.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Now, coffee and conversation. Uh, no, are you ready for
Are you ready for a road trip?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I'm I'm always ready for a road trip. I uh,
we had.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We are headed to Cape Cod.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Oh my gosh, what brought that on?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, starting tomorrow it's the Cape Cod Hydrangia Festival.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Oh my goodness. Life doesn't get any better than that,
does it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's a four day event.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Wow, jeez.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know hidrada beer, you know hydrangea food, hid You
look at gardens and everything, eating a few probably a
few crabs and some lobsters and lobster and.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, hyd you know. I didn't know this. I got
a question. I had a question a few years ago
from a grower out, you know, in the Cape Cod area,
and I did not know that they have they have
some huge hydrangea plantings. And and then I saw it,
you know, online and and uh, in some kind of publication,
(24:58):
you know, one of the one of the professional magazines
and horticulture magazines. And that really surprised me. I just
did not know that. Apparently they're fairly well known for that.
So a festival makes good sense, doesn't yep?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And I think most a lot of them are the
macrofilas which do well there. And of course then you
get all the different blues and pinks and lavenders. They
get a really good assortment of colors with the pH
of the soil, so they do really well. So it's
quite a show. Then you come back and you're all
excited and they don't perform quite as well here.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know, it isn't that the way of things? You know,
It's like we spot a fantastic plant usually, you know,
when we're visiting somewhere else, right, Rodney, this is a
good example of you're visiting somewhere else and I've got
to have that. I must have that my landscaping. And
of course then you bring it back and you know,
(25:59):
you get a lot while Yeah, one plant though, one
tree that has been forever just a heartbreak for me.
And you know, I love purple. I like plants. I
like trees that they get the purplish foliage in general.
My wife I doesn't like that color as much as
I do. But I've always liked that Canada red cherry.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, one of my favorites.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Oh, my gosh, one of my favorites. And who knew
that it was so susceptible to black None of us knew, you,
I mean, no one. It never showed up. And there's
an interesting there. There must be an interesting story there someplace,
because that came out of what Schumard cherry and I
(26:46):
think that the Canada red part, you know, came from
selections that that that weren't from around here, as we say, right, Yeah,
point being, point being is that obviously where that was elected,
the disease wasn't a problem. You know, it would have
it would have shown up. So that's always kind of
the risk with as you know, plant breeding, is that
(27:09):
that you take it to another location. Crab apples, for example,
very seldom get apple scab out in the drier Pacific,
nor in the drier Western States, whereas here, you know,
we've already seen the leaf loss. Right, So different locations
because of different weather, different environmental conditions, and the plant
(27:30):
behaves differently. I agree, I don't know where I'm going either.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I had a great email question this week. Somebody said, Ron,
can you explain to me why all the crab apples
are dying in our area?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah? There you go, really does.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They're not dying, but.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Please explain they look.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I just told them, I said, let me, let me
give you all the reasons why they look like they
look right now.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
This and and the environmental side of things. You know,
we teach this teach about diseases. You know, the disease triangle.
You know, you have to have an environmental you have
to have environmental conditions conducive to infection. You have to
have a susceptible host, and then finally, you have to
have the pathogen. You know, if you don't have the pathogen,
you won't have a disease developing. But here's what's very
(28:19):
very important with that disease triangles. You have to have
all three at the same time. If you if you
lose one, you end up not having the disease development. So,
for example, you know, out in the drier Western States
with apple scab, the pathogen may be there in very
low at a very low level, and maybe a crab
(28:40):
apple that we cannot get past. First of July here
in Ohio with all the leaves gone, highly susceptible. However,
I keep saying, the dry conditions of the of the
Western States this spring was just ideal for a number
of diseases, apple scab inarticular, and so so there you
(29:01):
have it. And and here's what I'm also getting some
emails about, well, this wasn't this wasn't the problem you
know last year or year before. I mean, they've never
seen the tree do this this bad before. And there
you have it. It's just okay, the environmental conditions were
just so incredible for infection. On the other hand, when
(29:24):
we summarize this season, and I'm hearing this not just
in Ohio, I'm hearing this elsewhere. Some disease, a disease
group that I'm very surprised just isn't running rampant would
be the entract noos diseases. I really thought this year
that we wouldn't. We'd have huge amount of oak and
(29:45):
tract nose, maple and thract nose, sycamore and tract nos.
And for for the listeners that that, okay, I haven't
come across that term before. I'm saying a group of
diseases they are different fungi, but they are and they
are specific their hosts. So maple and track notes that
fungus will not infect oaks and vice versa. We see pockets.
(30:08):
And I've gotten some pictures and reports of the foliation,
but Ron, honestly, I thought it would be rampant. I
don't have an explanation. The environment was perfect, you see it?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, it's same way. The only thing now, I have
gotten multiple reports, pictures leaves of you know, and obviously
I can never be one hundred percent correct, but look
like anthragnos on maple, But I have not gotten them.
And typically it's like sycamores. You know, you get all that.
You know, ash Ash always got it. Uh, you know, Yeah,
(30:40):
you're right, and but I the only one I've seen
so far this year has been Maple's, which I thought
was kind of interesting. So yeah, and I agree with you.
And you know, I thought I would have seen more
as well. By the way, Uh a gentleman, I don't
know if I afford this to you or not, but
Matt Stutter sent me a picture of a stag beetle.
This thing is huge, he said, I'll bet, I'll bet
Beuggy Joe love these.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Well, yeah, it's it's true. What they have huge mandibles.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's got unbelievably large. It's one of the biggest ones
I think i've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You know, I have very few pictures of stag beetles,
so the ones that have the huge mandibles, and they
really do look threatening. Those they have, you know, and
they can open it well. Of course, unfortunately they with
the size of the mandible, they've kind of lost the power,
so they at best they just kind of pinch. But
(31:32):
those with the huge mandibles are the males, kind of
think of. I love the name stag because that obviously
works the same way with deer, right, you know, the deer,
it's the white tail deer. It's the males that have
the but they have the antlers. But but that is uh,
stag beetles. And you know, if you go online and
(31:53):
do a little I just did this again, uh you know, UK,
you'll find that there's a great interest with staf beetles
elsewhere in the world as well, not just here. But
I don't I don't see enough of them for my
for to me, I'll take a lot of pictures, believe
it or not, I don't have many pictures of them.
(32:13):
But aren't they're just startling looking things?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Oh yeah, he he he kind of said that it's
he sent it to Buggy Joe Bangles Buggy Joe Babels.
But he said, I'll bet by you. Joe love this
one said, yes, he will, will make sure we get
that to him, So I will. There you go all
forward that onto you. We got to take a break,
but I have a quick question for you, Cevic Garden Center.
You want to go to one of the classes on Wednesday,
August the sixth with.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Me, depending on who is teaching it. Now what do
we who's teaching it?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I don't know who's teaching it, but I don't I
don't know. But it's called incredible edible insects.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Oh no, I told I told.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You he wouldn't do it. I told you he would
not go Buggy Joe ain't gonna do it? Right there?
Quick break, we can quick break, We'll come back and
more with a Buggy Joe bog report. Here in the
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Speaker 1 (35:27):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of the Buggy Joe Boggs Important, Mister
Joe Buggs O s U Extension b Y g L
DOT O s U dot E d U Hello.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Joe Killer Ron you know, I yeah, before the break
the subject that came up with the offer of the
road trip and you know, an evening, I guess it's
is during the evening. Is that what I'm hearing at
the Civic Garden Center? Oh the h yeah yeah, yeah, yes,
(36:02):
caused me to really take a second look at my coffee.
I mean, I have to tell you I'm still I'm
just still not over it something that yes, I'll tell you, well,
a couple of things. Uh. But what I really like
about when we get started with our discussions every Saturday
morning is how often they're going to be We never
(36:23):
know what It's just like what happens outside with us still.
You know, you would go outside and every day and
we looked around and boom, you know something something appears
that we didn't expect. Like, for example, we could be
walking around looking at purple cone flowers and uh, by golly,
maybe the heads are dangling there or they have no
(36:44):
heads at all, off with their heads, you know, maybe
they're decapitated, headless, headless headless cone flowers. This is really
taking an interesting turn, you know, with their heads off
with their heads you know, Louis the sixteen began his rain,
you know, at six feet tall. He ended at about
round five to two. So it's sort of the same idea. Yes,
(37:07):
that's pretty adrupt, an abrupt and dramatic loss of thatcher.
And we're seeing the same thing. We're seeing the same
thing with I should say, members of the Astor family.
So I was at a local park two days ago
where they have a mass planting of purple cone flowers,
and here and there, and I'm going to get to
(37:28):
why it wasn't all over, but here and there you
could see these heads dangling and the call pron is
called in one of our one of our favorite names
for an insect, right, the sunflower head clipping weebel. And
it's a native insects. Yep, yep, it's a native insect,
and it is a problem out in the Great Plains,
(37:49):
you know, where you see a lot more sunflowers grown.
The female uses her her mouth parts at the end
of her rostrum, which is like a big long nose,
except it's not a nose. It's just a part of
the weavil that holds the mouthparts, and she uses those
mouthparts to cut a ring around the stem just below
(38:12):
the flower. Head not too far, may about an inch
or so. She just keeps doing that until that flower
head breaks over. Now I want to stress something I mentioned.
Purple cone flowers. I mentioned you know, the common name sunflower, yes,
but also members of the Silfium family or Selfium genus
(38:34):
rather for you know, things like compass plant, prairie dog
cup plant, rosen wood or rosin wood. The point I'm
trying to drive at is that there can be a
lot of different members of that Astaceae family that can
be affected, and they are very popular plants being used,
(38:55):
for example, in native plant planting or pollinator gardens or
prairie restoration, things like that. And if you see these
flowerheads dangling there, why she does that is that those
two things. Number one is that it cuts off any
type of defense chemicals that could affect her offspring, So
(39:18):
that's number one. Of course, purple cone flowers actually have
some fairly heavy duty defense chemicals, so that does that. Also,
it takes away any competitors because now the flowerhead's dangling
there and it's it's basically you know, being sensed by
other insects as being dead. She then mates. In fact,
(39:41):
a lot of times you'll look at the end of
these dangling flowerheads, and you'll see a lot of weavils
in there, and we won't go into detail on what's
going on, but they mate and then she lays eggs,
and then the flowerhead drops from the plant, and the
immature weavil develops, you know, feeds on eats that be
headed head. Really, how can we manage these?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, let me ask you this. When they lay eggs?
When you say that, and obviously that little orgy going
on in there, she lays.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Eggs, I didn't want to say that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Do they do this again? I mean, do they she
go to another one and do that is a matter
of fact, So she'll be doing that multiple times. Now
here's my other question. How many eggs does she lay?
And we got about three minutes? How many eggs does
she lay? And in that, I mean, so, how many
are going to hatch out inside that flowerhead?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Well you could have as many okay there, yeah, well overall,
but in that one pirate And now here's here's the key.
I know we're about out of time. So then let's
take advantage of the fact that the achilles heels they
are in those flowerheads. So if you pick up and
destroy those fallen flowerheads. You can eliminate the population. That's
(40:53):
what happened in the park that I was in. They
had a real problem several years ago and they've stayed
at it. And so you know, as I said, when
I was in there this past week walking around, I
just saw a few run It was amazing. It's very
few now. You have to kind of keep up with it.
But you can't spray, right because these are flowering plants.
(41:14):
You're going to kill pollinators, right, So just picking up,
just picking up and destroying those flowreheads that are on
the ground, that will destroy the larvae and that'll break
the cycle. And these mass plantings, plantings where you really
like to have, you know, great flower display, you can
eliminate the evil for a time and maybe forever. I
(41:36):
mean they're not exactly that common, but you can, you know,
put a serious dent in the population just by doing that.
And I can tell you there have been two or
three places where I've advised this, I've visited, and it's
gone from really being a problem where you say, boy,
it's not going to any seed that's going to go
(41:57):
to next year, to where you don't find it at all.
Or very very little. So sunflower head clipping, weavil. What
do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Why do you pick sunflower? Because that was where they
first saw it.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, it is a native insect. I should have said
that it's a native insect. And wasn't Louis the sixteen,
the son King. I don't know. Maybe he wasn't. Maybe
I'm getting that confused, but I started off talking about him,
you loss of stature. But maybe maybe they're gonna be
listeners say oh I heard a collective grown I heard
(42:29):
I heard.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
No, No, that's Buddy Joe for you. That's what they're saying,
that old Buddy Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Right. Well that but but at any rate, that is
and so next week we're going to be visiting the
largest one of our largest wasps found in Ohio and
as a matter of fact, actually found in the US.
That maybe out there are going after some singing insect?
Right now? What do you think of that? I'm getting it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You're making me, you're making me scared.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I'm very I'm very serious. Yeah, we don't. So just
don't go outside till next week and we can learn
about it.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Okay, I'll be I'll be sure and stay inside by
the way, uh, you know, we got about a minute
to go here, but you forgot to ask me about
the eagle.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Oh I forgot to ask you.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Okay, see I left that guy, I left that hanging
with you last week and that look here's the music.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Now I got to go to the next week.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'll just give you a hint. There was an eagle
in our backyard last week.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
There you go again. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It was unbelievable, unbelievable. Stay on, I will tell you this.
I'll tell you the story off there. But yeah, it
was unbelievable. I got to actually witness an eagle in
our backyards. It was pretty dark cool, Bucky Joe Boggs
always a pleasure again, b Y G L dot O
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Speaker 4 (43:55):
Thank you, sir, Thank you, and have a great week.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
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Our toll free number eight hundred and eight two three
eight two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personally yard boy, trying to work our way through
this hot month of July. We'll see what happens here,
but just gotta stay cool. Work in the morning, work
in the evening. Keep those plants watered as best you can,
and keep adding organic matter back to the soil. Remember
(00:57):
how important that is when we get into these times
of the year, that organic man I can really make
or break a lot of things. So plants, and keep
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one of the ways you're doing it. You keep pampering
those worms, You're gonna make your plants happy campers as well.
So make sure we keep adding those orghatograntic matter as
(01:18):
best we can as we plant on a regular basis.
To the gardening phone lines, we shall go to Deer Park, Ohio. Joe,
Good morning, Hey, Good morning, Ron.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Joe? I'm great and yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, i'd be better if the deer we're not eating
my bobo hydranges.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh don't you love that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You know, Ron, We've never had deer in our neighborhood
until this year really, and this year, I mean there's
like seven or eight.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Deer running around.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
But anyway, they pretty much eaten all the foliage off
of the high Ranges, the High Biscus. But anyway, my
question is Runnyway too. Is there a decent repellent that actually,
you know, actually work?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know there wasn't. There was a joke there at
the very beginning. But I'm sure you've heard that before.
You live in Deer Park and you've never had any deer.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I know, that's what everybody shayd.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, they've never been a problem until this year. I'll
put it that one.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, you know, and in an amazing in some years
you have, some years don't, and it's just yeah, they're
just it's becoming more and more of an issue. But
to answer your question, are the repellents out there that
really do work? You know? The thing of it is,
most of the repellents that are sold commercially that you'll
see on the shelf has a guarantee that they work,
and you know, they've been tested and researched and they
(02:34):
typically do work. As far as being a pretty good
repellent to keep them moving on. But there's other issues involved.
If the if the deer are in high population areas
where there's a bunch of them around, they'll go through
about anything to eat. I mean, it's a matter of survival.
So they go right through the repellents and they continue
to feed on plants that you know that they enjoy
(02:54):
that that that that's part of their their brows. Uh,
So they'll go through it. Some times they get used
to the repellents that you put out. So folks use
the same repellent time after time after time over time,
and kind of they get used to it and then
they go through that. So we have found that mixing
it up, so using one for a while then coming
and using another one for a while seems to work
(03:17):
a little bit better. And one thing I've also found
is that if you freshen up the deer spray every week.
Now I'm not talking about going out there and spraying everything,
but what I'm talking about is doing whatever you're going
to apply your deer repellents and then maybe when you're
out there on a Saturday morning or whatever, take I
was ready to use bottle of what you use and
(03:38):
just kind of lightly missed it here and there, just
to kind of freshen it up a bit. Doctor Allen
Armidy's taught me that several years ago, and he said,
it's amazing. Just freshening it up just a tad when
you're out there really does help. So what repellents work
the best? Oh and one last thing, you know, there's
nothing better than physical barriers. That's your that's your sure cure.
(04:02):
But you obviously you're not going to do that with
these hydrangees and all that. So what do we do?
There is a there's one product out there called a
scarecrow motion detector. You hook it up to a garden hose.
It has a motion detector that picks up the movement
of the deer, goes right to the deer and shoots
someone with a spray of water and it does a
really good job of moving them on. And if you
(04:25):
google scarecrow deer repellent or deer scarecrow deer with chaser,
it would come up and show you how they how
it works. But anyway, that's a possibility. When it comes
to repellents. Some of the good standbys that continue to
be strong out there are liquid fence, deer scram repels
(04:49):
all Bobex is another one, and using those all interchangeably,
so you use one for a while, you use another
one for a while, I think you'll find better success.
And there's one more I'll add to the list that
I've been We've been using for about two years now
and it's getting really good reviews from a lot of folks.
I gave a bunch of it away just so folks
(05:10):
can try it. It's called deer ribbon or yeah, deer
ribbon deer guard ribbon, and it's actually a ribbon of
material that you like stream through your plants and it's
stood a pretty darn good job. The other thing you
want to do, Joe, is not only spray to protect
the plants that you know that you're trying to protect,
(05:33):
but also go out to the edges of your property
and do some of those deer repellents out there too,
hopefully to get the deer to move on to the
neighbor's yard and not come in yours, because they smell
that right off the bat, so we can stop them out.
So if you can stop them out further away from
the house, great, if they do wander into there, then
(05:53):
you've got the second back up around your plants that
you're trying to protect, you know. And sometimes folks will
go oh and go ahead and put the nylon netting
over them or in front of them or whatever. The
deer hate that as well. But it's usually a combination
of all of those things and you can hopefully get
them to reduce the brows and uh and get them
(06:15):
to move on more. But I you know, again, they're
all guaranteed to work, and they do, but there's just
so many other factors involved. Weather can be another factor
as well, So you just try to use a good combination.
Use them regular, keep them freshened, use them out away
from the house as well as up close to the house.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You put all those factors together, hopefully we can keep
moving on.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So Ron, it sounds like you like the liquids better
than the granular.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, no, I like. Now deer scram comes both ways.
As a matter of fact. It's it's a granular and
they are now working on a on a liquid or
water soluble if they haven't gotten that one out there yet.
But I like deer scram and that's one you would
sprinkle around the base of the plants, and that that
deer scram we've had that for a long time does great.
And I and and then you can back that up
with a foli or spray such as liquid fence would
(07:04):
probably be second on my list. Bob as is right there.
And the thing about repels all is I think that's
probably the only one that's labeled for around edibles. She
had to be careful about that too, around around your
vegetable gardens. So those are four plus that that uh,
that deer ribbon. I tell you what that. I tell
(07:25):
you that deer ribbon has gotten some really good results.
I'd keep that one in mind as well.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I will thank you, thank you, line right, Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Good luck with everything. Appreciate the call. I appreciate appreciate
you listening to the show. I tell you, deer tough,
and you know, it's fun sometimes to hear what folks
have done to get the deer to move on. But
the bottom line is is that you know you've got
to just keep mixing it up, try to do whatever
you can. You're trying to trick them. And I think
the one thing we forget about is you try to
(07:54):
get out away from the house, out onto your property
lines more or to get them to move on so
they don't even come into the property to see what's
in there for them to browse from your salad bowl.
That our landscapes have all become for deer, and of
course they become more used to the people and the
smells and all of that. So you got to keep
(08:16):
mixing it up doing whatever that's scarecrow. Those motion detectors,
they do work. They're extremely effective and they don't waste
water to one and that's it. But they're very good too,
and that's something you would put further out away from
the property to keep those deer from moving on. And
if you have problems with kids coming in the yard
and toilet paper in your yard, that's a good way
(08:37):
to stop them from doing that too. Is it'll course
court tim as well, but anyway that that's a great
way to do that. So again it's a mix it up,
be creative. That the deer guard ribbon again, I say
two years now and we have gotten really good results
from that. And so as a combination of all of
the above, and again look at some of the lists
(08:59):
of playing said dear, don't browse as much and tried
maybe even have to go that farting and switch it out.
So that's out there for you too. All right, we're
gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we've
got Gary Slivon with a little home improvement. And then
after Gary Slivon, you know who's up after that, the man,
mister Buggy, Joe Boggs. And it's all happening here in
the garden with Ron Wilson, dream.
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
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talking about landscaping, but your home actually physically your home interior, exterior.
And there's only one person that we go to to
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(12:51):
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Ladies and gentlemen, the mandament, the legend, the one, the
only Gary. I'm home. I look for you. What was
that Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday night, I looked for you?
(13:15):
Where did you look for me? I was watching this
band cover the eighties? Is that Liberty? Square Liberty.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh yeah up there, Yeah, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It looked like your crowd and I just hung out.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What do you mean, Mike crowd?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh I'm sorry, what's that supposed to mean? But I
hung out and I thought for sure I see you
and Sue show up and no.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It is a good time out there.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, folks are having a great time. But agree, but
it was interesting. Why am I Why are more of
these cover bands that's more of the eighties now nineties?
What happened the sixties and seventies?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, I don't think we need to go to that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think the crowd would enjoy them a little bit
more if it dipped back into the seventies a bit,
Is that right? I really do?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, I'll pass that on.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Would you pass that long form? Well, I'm sure you
have a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Actually, Thursday night was a nice night.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It was a wonderful night. Soon as the sun went down,
we you know, we had a little dinner there on
the one of the restaurants, and then the came out
there and sat and watched the band for a little
while and realized the solvents weren't going to be home
be there, so then we left so no, I did
not go to bed.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You didn't know.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm not as old as you. I still was able
to stay awake.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And do a few things. Actually, Thursday night it finally
got cool enough. I actually cut the front yard.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh did you?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's what I was doing? No music for me?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Made my music? What is going on with the nuts
nuts edge?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What do we have lots of rainfall? Do we have moisture? Water?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sets it?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I was with a group of people yesterday and that
came up like three different times.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
What do they call that?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah? And I thought we used to talk about that
all the time. It seemed like twenty years ago. I
mean it was everywhere well in mind, I guess I
got it controlled. I just didn't have it. And then
this year, bam, it's back, and you're right, it's the
heat and the water.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And then twenty years ago, we didn't have anything that
could control it that homeowners could get. You had to
call in the professionals or kill everything out and start
all over again. And of course now that's all about
you know, those are available for homeowners to use it,
to treat it. We know more about it, we know
to watch for it. We don't identify it, know what
it can do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You can't misidentifying it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it's you know where it's where it gets tough sometimes.
And this is a tough one. You know. You know
what loriopy is, right? Uh hun you guys if you
get that growing in the loriopey, yeah, sometimes it kind
of yeah, it kind of blends together a little bit.
You're kind of like, and then what do you do?
How do you spray that? Well, the kicker is you
can use those over the top sprays because the reopey
(15:49):
is not really a grass. Huh, So you can actually
do that. But I think we know more about it.
You know, we still see it, I mean still there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, but it's just not been an issue.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And the issue yeah, perfect conditions, so no doubt. All right,
I got questions for you home improvement man. Oh are
you ready? Somebody's working you Are you ready? Those the
what do you call the I know it's just going
to be a simple name. The thing you put on
the hydraulic that pulls the screen doors closed closer is
(16:24):
that it is a screen door closer, storm door closed
storm door closer. There you go. We have two on
ours each one. I swear I put a new one
on there, and they just don't seem how often you
have to replace those, Like right now, I've got those
things screwed in. You know, you adjust the little screw
right all the way back and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just heavy door something. Because seriously, I've heard people talking
about what you're talking about, and that is a cash
every year I'm replacing that. I've got two lightweight screen doors,
not necessarily storm doors that are on the porch, and
those closers are twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's because it's you, no, these are these are storm
doors that have the glass, uh huh, that have the glass,
a good window that goes up and down right, So
it's a heavier.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It might be the weight.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, it's the heavier thing. And then it seems like
I and you got to replace them both. You can't
just do one right. I never I could never get
the adjustments right. I don't know. I screw around those
all the time, and I just.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They I haven't chopped form lately r. But they used
to have like more of a heavy duty one too,
had a little bigger bar in a barrel, I guess
you would call it. And you know, I think it
was pneumatic, and those might be a little stronger. It
might be the way to the door would be my
(17:50):
guess right.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It faces the west, so if anything, you know, it
really does work there a little bit more because the
winds sometime, you know, or they're obviously coming out of
the west a little bit more, so it has to
work a little bit harder than the one in the
back of the house that faces the east.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'll tell you what really screws those up really fast, grandkids.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
So you don't know about the.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Closures, but I know the screens. There was a period
in there. I think I was changing out the screen
in the screen door, probably annually. Huh. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What, I can't I can't look at a screen door
without thinking of you, Now, what did I do?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Don't you remember that thirty years ago with a screen
door thing?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I don't think so, But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That you would repair the screen doors for people?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh yeah, boy, that is that is a long time.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
How did that get started?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Somebody mentioned they should bring a screen door to me
on radio broadcasts?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And somebody did, Yes, oh goad the days all right,
all right, So that was one okay. Second one, you know,
we do use obviously the stones now, the tumbler stones
and all that for our patios and walkways, including still
using the eighteen and twenty four inch squares concrete steppers.
(19:17):
Is it advisable to take those and we're done putting
those in and actually using a concrete seiler on those
like we would our sidewalks and our driveways, Would it
make those last longer?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I don't think so, Farkos, I mean, unless it's going
to be. I think really what destroys concrete and pavers
and everything else is corrosive materials we use on those things,
aka rock, salt, and ice melders. That's really what does
(19:52):
the damage. The advantage to use in a seiler on
that would be to minimize water penetration. Not so much
because the water is gonna break down the concrete. It's
just that it's that moisture is gonna stay on the
surface or in that concrete for an extended period of time.
(20:13):
In other words, it's not going to dry out by
nine point thirty in the morning. It right not dry
out till noon and then molden mildew becomes an issue.
But really, not cutting down the life more of a
cosmetic and there's also some sealers out there that have
a little bit of sheen to it which really looks
good on a brick.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So yes, if you want to, but not necessarily not necessary.
Got it? Gary Sullivan Always a pleasure, Gary solivon his website,
Garysullivan online dot COMY sure and check it out. Of course,
listen to his shows because are always great as well.
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Welcome back here in the Guard with Ron Wilson, in
this time for the Buggy Joe Boggs. Important mister Joe
Boggs and says a professor commercial hord coach, educator for
the Old House Tate University Extension no Issue Department of Entomology,
post a boy for OSUE Extension, co creator of Mathra
Coffee Imporium. The website b Y G L dot O,
s U dot E d U, Ladies and gentlemen, Mister
(23:30):
common sense, you called himself Buggy Joe Bogs. Hello Joe,
Hello Joe, Hello.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You got the coffee, and uh, we've got the conversation. Coffee,
conversation can't be better than.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Now, coffee and conversation. Uh, no, are you ready for
Are you ready for a road trip?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I'm I'm always ready for a road trip. I uh,
we had.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We are headed to Cape Cod.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Oh my gosh, what brought that on?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, starting tomorrow it's the Cape Cod Hydrangia Festival.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Oh my goodness. Life doesn't get any better than that,
does it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's a four day event.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Wow, jeez.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know hidrada beer, you know hydrangea food, hid You
look at gardens and everything, eating a few probably a
few crabs and some lobsters and lobster and.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, hyd you know. I didn't know this. I got
a question. I had a question a few years ago
from a grower out, you know, in the Cape Cod area,
and I did not know that they have they have
some huge hydrangea plantings. And and then I saw it,
you know, online and and uh, in some kind of publication,
(24:58):
you know, one of the one of the professional magazines
and horticulture magazines. And that really surprised me. I just
did not know that. Apparently they're fairly well known for that.
So a festival makes good sense, doesn't yep?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And I think most a lot of them are the
macrofilas which do well there. And of course then you
get all the different blues and pinks and lavenders. They
get a really good assortment of colors with the pH
of the soil, so they do really well. So it's
quite a show. Then you come back and you're all
excited and they don't perform quite as well here.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know, it isn't that the way of things? You know,
It's like we spot a fantastic plant usually, you know,
when we're visiting somewhere else, right, Rodney, this is a
good example of you're visiting somewhere else and I've got
to have that. I must have that my landscaping. And
of course then you bring it back and you know,
(25:59):
you get a lot while Yeah, one plant though, one
tree that has been forever just a heartbreak for me.
And you know, I love purple. I like plants. I
like trees that they get the purplish foliage in general.
My wife I doesn't like that color as much as
I do. But I've always liked that Canada red cherry.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, one of my favorites.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Oh, my gosh, one of my favorites. And who knew
that it was so susceptible to black None of us knew, you,
I mean, no one. It never showed up. And there's
an interesting there. There must be an interesting story there someplace,
because that came out of what Schumard cherry and I
(26:46):
think that the Canada red part, you know, came from
selections that that that weren't from around here, as we say, right, Yeah,
point being, point being is that obviously where that was elected,
the disease wasn't a problem. You know, it would have
it would have shown up. So that's always kind of
the risk with as you know, plant breeding, is that
(27:09):
that you take it to another location. Crab apples, for example,
very seldom get apple scab out in the drier Pacific,
nor in the drier Western States, whereas here, you know,
we've already seen the leaf loss. Right, So different locations
because of different weather, different environmental conditions, and the plant
(27:30):
behaves differently. I agree, I don't know where I'm going either.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I had a great email question this week. Somebody said, Ron,
can you explain to me why all the crab apples
are dying in our area?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah? There you go, really does.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They're not dying, but.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Please explain they look.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I just told them, I said, let me, let me
give you all the reasons why they look like they
look right now.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
This and and the environmental side of things. You know,
we teach this teach about diseases. You know, the disease triangle.
You know, you have to have an environmental you have
to have environmental conditions conducive to infection. You have to
have a susceptible host, and then finally, you have to
have the pathogen. You know, if you don't have the pathogen,
you won't have a disease developing. But here's what's very
(28:19):
very important with that disease triangles. You have to have
all three at the same time. If you if you
lose one, you end up not having the disease development. So,
for example, you know, out in the drier Western States
with apple scab, the pathogen may be there in very
low at a very low level, and maybe a crab
(28:40):
apple that we cannot get past. First of July here
in Ohio with all the leaves gone, highly susceptible. However,
I keep saying, the dry conditions of the of the
Western States this spring was just ideal for a number
of diseases, apple scab inarticular, and so so there you
(29:01):
have it. And and here's what I'm also getting some
emails about, well, this wasn't this wasn't the problem you
know last year or year before. I mean, they've never
seen the tree do this this bad before. And there
you have it. It's just okay, the environmental conditions were
just so incredible for infection. On the other hand, when
(29:24):
we summarize this season, and I'm hearing this not just
in Ohio, I'm hearing this elsewhere. Some disease, a disease
group that I'm very surprised just isn't running rampant would
be the entract noos diseases. I really thought this year
that we wouldn't. We'd have huge amount of oak and
(29:45):
tract nose, maple and thract nose, sycamore and tract nos.
And for for the listeners that that, okay, I haven't
come across that term before. I'm saying a group of
diseases they are different fungi, but they are and they
are specific their hosts. So maple and track notes that
fungus will not infect oaks and vice versa. We see pockets.
(30:08):
And I've gotten some pictures and reports of the foliation,
but Ron, honestly, I thought it would be rampant. I
don't have an explanation. The environment was perfect, you see it?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, it's same way. The only thing now, I have
gotten multiple reports, pictures leaves of you know, and obviously
I can never be one hundred percent correct, but look
like anthragnos on maple, But I have not gotten them.
And typically it's like sycamores. You know, you get all that.
You know, ash Ash always got it. Uh, you know, Yeah,
(30:40):
you're right, and but I the only one I've seen
so far this year has been Maple's, which I thought
was kind of interesting. So yeah, and I agree with you.
And you know, I thought I would have seen more
as well. By the way, Uh a gentleman, I don't
know if I afford this to you or not, but
Matt Stutter sent me a picture of a stag beetle.
This thing is huge, he said, I'll bet, I'll bet
Beuggy Joe love these.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Well, yeah, it's it's true. What they have huge mandibles.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's got unbelievably large. It's one of the biggest ones
I think i've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You know, I have very few pictures of stag beetles,
so the ones that have the huge mandibles, and they
really do look threatening. Those they have, you know, and
they can open it well. Of course, unfortunately they with
the size of the mandible, they've kind of lost the power,
so they at best they just kind of pinch. But
(31:32):
those with the huge mandibles are the males, kind of
think of. I love the name stag because that obviously
works the same way with deer, right, you know, the deer,
it's the white tail deer. It's the males that have
the but they have the antlers. But but that is uh,
stag beetles. And you know, if you go online and
(31:53):
do a little I just did this again, uh you know, UK,
you'll find that there's a great interest with staf beetles
elsewhere in the world as well, not just here. But
I don't I don't see enough of them for my
for to me, I'll take a lot of pictures, believe
it or not, I don't have many pictures of them.
(32:13):
But aren't they're just startling looking things?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Oh yeah, he he he kind of said that it's
he sent it to Buggy Joe Bangles Buggy Joe Babels.
But he said, I'll bet by you. Joe love this
one said, yes, he will, will make sure we get
that to him, So I will. There you go all
forward that onto you. We got to take a break,
but I have a quick question for you, Cevic Garden Center.
You want to go to one of the classes on Wednesday,
August the sixth with.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Me, depending on who is teaching it. Now what do
we who's teaching it?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I don't know who's teaching it, but I don't I
don't know. But it's called incredible edible insects.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Oh no, I told I told.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You he wouldn't do it. I told you he would
not go Buggy Joe ain't gonna do it? Right there?
Quick break, we can quick break, We'll come back and
more with a Buggy Joe bog report. Here in the
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Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of the Buggy Joe Boggs Important, Mister
Joe Buggs O s U Extension b Y g L
DOT O s U dot E d U Hello.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Joe Killer Ron you know, I yeah, before the break
the subject that came up with the offer of the
road trip and you know, an evening, I guess it's
is during the evening. Is that what I'm hearing at
the Civic Garden Center? Oh the h yeah yeah, yeah, yes,
(36:02):
caused me to really take a second look at my coffee.
I mean, I have to tell you I'm still I'm
just still not over it something that yes, I'll tell you, well,
a couple of things. Uh. But what I really like
about when we get started with our discussions every Saturday
morning is how often they're going to be We never
(36:23):
know what It's just like what happens outside with us still.
You know, you would go outside and every day and
we looked around and boom, you know something something appears
that we didn't expect. Like, for example, we could be
walking around looking at purple cone flowers and uh, by golly,
maybe the heads are dangling there or they have no
(36:44):
heads at all, off with their heads, you know, maybe
they're decapitated, headless, headless headless cone flowers. This is really
taking an interesting turn, you know, with their heads off
with their heads you know, Louis the sixteen began his rain,
you know, at six feet tall. He ended at about
round five to two. So it's sort of the same idea. Yes,
(37:07):
that's pretty adrupt, an abrupt and dramatic loss of thatcher.
And we're seeing the same thing. We're seeing the same
thing with I should say, members of the Astor family.
So I was at a local park two days ago
where they have a mass planting of purple cone flowers,
and here and there, and I'm going to get to
(37:28):
why it wasn't all over, but here and there you
could see these heads dangling and the call pron is
called in one of our one of our favorite names
for an insect, right, the sunflower head clipping weebel. And
it's a native insects. Yep, yep, it's a native insect,
and it is a problem out in the Great Plains,
(37:49):
you know, where you see a lot more sunflowers grown.
The female uses her her mouth parts at the end
of her rostrum, which is like a big long nose,
except it's not a nose. It's just a part of
the weavil that holds the mouthparts, and she uses those
mouthparts to cut a ring around the stem just below
(38:12):
the flower. Head not too far, may about an inch
or so. She just keeps doing that until that flower
head breaks over. Now I want to stress something I mentioned.
Purple cone flowers. I mentioned you know, the common name sunflower, yes,
but also members of the Silfium family or Selfium genus
(38:34):
rather for you know, things like compass plant, prairie dog
cup plant, rosen wood or rosin wood. The point I'm
trying to drive at is that there can be a
lot of different members of that Astaceae family that can
be affected, and they are very popular plants being used,
(38:55):
for example, in native plant planting or pollinator gardens or
prairie restoration, things like that. And if you see these
flowerheads dangling there, why she does that is that those
two things. Number one is that it cuts off any
type of defense chemicals that could affect her offspring, So
(39:18):
that's number one. Of course, purple cone flowers actually have
some fairly heavy duty defense chemicals, so that does that. Also,
it takes away any competitors because now the flowerhead's dangling
there and it's it's basically you know, being sensed by
other insects as being dead. She then mates. In fact,
(39:41):
a lot of times you'll look at the end of
these dangling flowerheads, and you'll see a lot of weavils
in there, and we won't go into detail on what's
going on, but they mate and then she lays eggs,
and then the flowerhead drops from the plant, and the
immature weavil develops, you know, feeds on eats that be
headed head. Really, how can we manage these?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, let me ask you this. When they lay eggs?
When you say that, and obviously that little orgy going
on in there, she lays.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Eggs, I didn't want to say that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Do they do this again? I mean, do they she
go to another one and do that is a matter
of fact, So she'll be doing that multiple times. Now
here's my other question. How many eggs does she lay?
And we got about three minutes? How many eggs does
she lay? And in that, I mean, so, how many
are going to hatch out inside that flowerhead?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Well you could have as many okay there, yeah, well overall,
but in that one pirate And now here's here's the key.
I know we're about out of time. So then let's
take advantage of the fact that the achilles heels they
are in those flowerheads. So if you pick up and
destroy those fallen flowerheads. You can eliminate the population. That's
(40:53):
what happened in the park that I was in. They
had a real problem several years ago and they've stayed
at it. And so you know, as I said, when
I was in there this past week walking around, I
just saw a few run It was amazing. It's very
few now. You have to kind of keep up with it.
But you can't spray, right because these are flowering plants.
(41:14):
You're going to kill pollinators, right, So just picking up,
just picking up and destroying those flowreheads that are on
the ground, that will destroy the larvae and that'll break
the cycle. And these mass plantings, plantings where you really
like to have, you know, great flower display, you can
eliminate the evil for a time and maybe forever. I
(41:36):
mean they're not exactly that common, but you can, you know,
put a serious dent in the population just by doing that.
And I can tell you there have been two or
three places where I've advised this, I've visited, and it's
gone from really being a problem where you say, boy,
it's not going to any seed that's going to go
(41:57):
to next year, to where you don't find it at all.
Or very very little. So sunflower head clipping, weavil. What
do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Why do you pick sunflower? Because that was where they
first saw it.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, it is a native insect. I should have said
that it's a native insect. And wasn't Louis the sixteen,
the son King. I don't know. Maybe he wasn't. Maybe
I'm getting that confused, but I started off talking about him,
you loss of stature. But maybe maybe they're gonna be
listeners say oh I heard a collective grown I heard
(42:29):
I heard.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
No, No, that's Buddy Joe for you. That's what they're saying,
that old Buddy Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Right. Well that but but at any rate, that is
and so next week we're going to be visiting the
largest one of our largest wasps found in Ohio and
as a matter of fact, actually found in the US.
That maybe out there are going after some singing insect?
Right now? What do you think of that? I'm getting it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You're making me, you're making me scared.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I'm very I'm very serious. Yeah, we don't. So just
don't go outside till next week and we can learn
about it.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Okay, I'll be I'll be sure and stay inside by
the way, uh, you know, we got about a minute
to go here, but you forgot to ask me about
the eagle.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Oh I forgot to ask you.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Okay, see I left that guy, I left that hanging
with you last week and that look here's the music.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Now I got to go to the next week.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'll just give you a hint. There was an eagle
in our backyard last week.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
There you go again. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It was unbelievable, unbelievable. Stay on, I will tell you this.
I'll tell you the story off there. But yeah, it
was unbelievable. I got to actually witness an eagle in
our backyards. It was pretty dark cool, Bucky Joe Boggs
always a pleasure again, b Y G L dot O
s U dot e ed.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Thank you, sir, Thank you, and have a great week.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
All right, you two. Thanks to all our callers, Thanks
to our sponsors, Thanks of course to Danny Gleeson, our producer,
because without Danny know this stuff, what happens with Dan.
Thank you so much for all that you do. Not
do yourself a favor where you gonna plant those trees
this fall, Keep planting those native plants, keep planting the
pollinator plants, keep those bees happy, pollinators, be pollinator polite kid.
The kids involved with gardening, you make it the best
weekend of your life. See ya.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Help so look do it yourself gardener. At one eight
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