July 26, 2025 • 44 mins
Ron Is joined by Ron Rothhaas. Also the moleman, Tom Schmidt.
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Eight hundred and eight two eighty two, five five, Good morning.
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about yarding.
Kind of a special Saturday show today because we have
our first in house guest since the COVID and we
moved studios at the same time, it made a little
bit different as far as getting people into the studios,
and so we just kind of we just haven't had
(00:56):
the opportunity to do it. Well. He is back with us,
and he to join us in the studio quite a
bit at one time, Ron Roth, it's the arbor doc
And of course we have them on a regular basis,
keeping us updated not only on the weather, but on
trees occasionally as well, but mostly for the weather.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And I have my entourage with me this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You do you brought a couple of young folks that
are just bored as heck right now.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Exactly so for some reason, they just don't get as
excited about trees and gardening as we do. I don't
understand it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't think they get excited about radio like my
grandsons could. I think care less. It's like they don't
listen to radio anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If we were YouTube different, Yeah, yeah, exactly, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They listen to radio. So you know you want to
come down something.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No YouTube influencers, that's the word I was looking for.
We need to be YouTube influences.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, you need to you have the face for YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I have the face for radio.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Everybody has a face for YouTube because everybody's on it anyway,
talking about yardening and if you'd like to join us,
if you've got it, especially if you've got a tree.
A question. We got the expert in the house, Ron
rothis and again his website arbordoctor dot com. As a
matter of fact, let's go to Fennytown. We're talk to
Scott Scott. Good morning, Good morning, how are you, sir?
(02:11):
Good good.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I've got a quick question about a maple tree.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Sure, the mature tree.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I first moved into this place about fourteen years ago,
and it had this big limb that you know, these
like massive limb that shot across my front yard. So
I walked it off. But you know, as a rookie
as I am, I cut it too close. And you
know you're supposed to leave a little out so the
tree could close back up.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I cut it probably about five inches away from the
base of the tree, the main trunk of the tree,
and it's closing up over all these years, but this
one spot that it didn't close up. They don't close
up all the way, and like some black ants got
in there and started burrowing a little hole and stuff.
I was wondering as a way I could like burrow
(03:01):
that out and then put a patch on there they
got like a tree patch or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
No, it's actually better to just more or less leave
that alone. What a tree does is it puts up
chemical barriers to the spread of decay. And if you
go in there and start trying to clean that out
or and put something in there, a lot of times
you will actually end up punching through those chemical barriers
(03:30):
and causing the decay to spread deeper into the tree.
So you're actually better off to just leave it alone
and let the tree kind of take care of itself.
This ants get into the already decaying heartwood, but they're
not going to get into the live parts of the tree.
They're not like bores like emerald ash boar or clear
(03:52):
wing boar or something like that that get into the
live tissue of the tree. They really just stay in
the dead tissue of the tree and kind of increase
the rate of hollowing, and even treating the ants can
get a little bit complicated. Buggy Joe Boggs has shared
with me that if you try to kill the ants
(04:15):
sometimes they'll produce more queens and actually produce more colonies,
So it can actually get kind of complicated trying to
get rid of them as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Gotcha, So leave it alone and it'll clear.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah. And you know, just for other people who are listening,
and even for you, if if you have this situation
on this tree or another tree, it's really best to
not make larger diameter printing cuts near the main trunk
of the tree. It sounds like from your description you
actually kind of did what I would prefer, and that's
(04:55):
to not cut back all the way to the main branch.
With a large your diameter printing cut, we're actually sometimes
if it's more than say six inches in diameter, we're
often leaving a stub of a couple feet, so that
any decay that's happening is happening out there somewhere and
not right by the main trunk. With a smaller diameter cut,
(05:19):
you do want to cut back to, but not into
the collar at the base of the tree. But for
the larger ones, leaving a little bit of a stub
is actually recommended.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Now, right, that's what I heard.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm saying to We're close to the house. It ain't
really bother anything, but I didn't know what I should
just go and watch it or whatever. I appreciate you
answering my question.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Appreciate the call. Appreciate listening to the show as well. Scott,
good luck with that. You know that talk about during
the break we were talking about how things change over
the years, and I was telling you that you know
you today. If I ever retired from my job full time,
retired from my job at what I do answering questions
and uh, working with the retail and all that kind
of stuff where I'm not in touch with what's going
(06:08):
on in the industry and up to updating myself with
the trends and research and all, I would stop doing
the show because I think, you know, things change and
more and more research all the time, changing some of
our old theories, busting some of our old myths that
are out there. One of you know and again one
of which is like this, as far as that pruning.
(06:29):
You know we used to cut. You know, you cut
right back to that any size at one time, any
size trunk, a branch diameter, you go right back to
just above that branch collar and take that thing off.
Now the theory is, nope, you leave that. Like you
were saying, what about a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Two foot Yeah, on larger diam we're.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Talking yeah, big, And to think about it that we're
talking six to eight inches trunk branch diameter, so we're
talking big.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And even then, you know, that's only if there's no
other real alternative. Ideally, if you have a larger diameter
branch and maybe it's gotten too much end weight on
it or something like that, the first probably the first
choice would be to go out toward the end of
the branch and do what's called a reduction cut, which
(07:15):
is a small diameter cut. Maybe you're going to make
two or three or four reduction cuts on that branch
where you're cutting some of the small diameter growth back
to other branches. So you're taking maybe several hundred pounds
off of that branch. But you don't have any cuts
that are large diameter. That would be ideal. But if
you have a branch they partially has died or for
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some reason has to be has to be removed because
there's just nothing left out there, or who knows it's
too low over a parking lot or something like that. Exactly,
then that's when you do this stub type thing. So
we're not saying, you know, just go around and willing
nearly leave trees with thirty or forty stubs all over
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the place. This is just really when when that's about
the only alternative, it's like the the best of two choices,
which aren't ideal, but the better choice would be to
make a reduction cut further out on the on the branch.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And again that just shows how research and time and
what you know, what they're doing today has changed a
lot of the practices. And you know that's why you
do so much training yourself to stay up with that.
You know you were talking earlier about you know, one time,
if a lot of suckers started to come out of
the center of the tree, you know, we'd go in
there and clean all those out. Now, fruit trees different
story obviously, right, but you know in in or shade
(08:37):
trees or whatever. And now new research is showing that
no you you leave those alone and let them do
their thing.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, sprouts are good. That was what was drilled into
us at classes with doctor ed Gilman from the University
of Florida.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And we're not talking suckers around the base of the tree.
We're talking up in the tree right right.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But even on the trunk of the tree, they're not
necessarily bad. If you do have a printing cut where
the trees forming that wound tissue around the cut, very
often it will have a sucker to come out of
that area where the cut was made. That sucker has
leaves that are photosynthesizing, and photosynthesis is how a tree
(09:15):
makes basically food or nutrients for itself, so that sucker
is actually feeding the production of wound tissue around that wound.
So when you have a sucker coming out of a
wound area, a lot of times you want to leave
that sucker. How long, Well, you don't want it to
get too large a diameter, but maybe for a couple
(09:35):
of years, something like that, a few years, but once
it gets up to half inch or an inch in diameter,
you want to you know, if it's not an appropriate place,
you would want to take it off, but at least
for a few years, we've actually seen where you have
basically a round printing cut with rounded wound tissue and
you'll see a bulge out into the wound area adjacent
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to where that's sucker is because of the increased production
of photosynthetes right around where that sucker is growing.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Interesting, all right, just take a quick break, Karen, hang on,
we're going to come right to you after the break.
Talking with ron rothis the arbor duck. Got a question
about trees. Uh, Ronald, of course, a full of great
information about your trees, and then give us a call
it eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Coming up at the bottom of the hour, we're going
to continue talking about trees. We're going to talk about
an event that we had happened this spring with the cicadas.
(10:28):
There's a huge event in some areas of our area,
in some areas around the state as well. There's always
been the question, and we'll talk about cicada damage, the
question about populations of moles. Do the populations of moles
go up when there's a heavy brew of cicada's getting
ready to emerge, and then go back down again? Well,
we're gonna find out because We're going to the source.
We're going to have the moleman join us. At the
(10:50):
bottom of the hour, Ron rothis the tree dock, the moullman.
At the bottom of the hour, you and me talking
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again
that toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five talking about yardning, also talking about trees.
We've got Ron Rothison with us this morning the arbor
DC and he's full of great new information as well.
He's uh. I think he does more training and more
certification than anybody I know when it comes to arborus
and that's why he's so full of full of information.
(14:33):
Karen in Cincinnati, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
I have a question about a maple tree. Okay, it
has black bark pretty far up the tree. Is it
dying or is that natural?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's kind of natural. It's a uh. It's a fungus
called sooty mode and it can be associated with scale insects.
It can also be a s asociated with aphids. It
can be associated with woodpeckers that get into the tree
and induce sap flow, and sap that kind of drips
(15:11):
down on the trunk and then kind of gets drawn
down by rainfall and things like that. So there are
a lot of different things that can cause it. I
have it does seem and this is just kind of
experiential for me that it seems that trees that have
that going on sometimes are a little bit more stressed.
(15:34):
So sometimes I like to, you know, just kind of
give them a little bit of an extra tension from
a standpoint of making sure that they're mulched properly, and
that would be with a coarse textured mulch out several
feet from the trunk of the tree. Make sure that
they get watered occasionally during dry spells one inch per
(15:54):
week during the growing season may through November. And we
don't want to drown it because especially sugar maples don't
want to be sitting in water all the time. But
if you do get a long dry spell, a little
bit of watering can help. So just little things like that.
What you don't want to do with an older maple tree,
or really any older tree, is to overreact and start
(16:17):
really dumping a lot of fertilizer on them, especially high
nitrogen fertilizer that can actually exacerbate the situation. A little
bit of fertilization where you may be feeding the microbes
in the soil and things like that can be good,
but you really want to be kind of conservative on
older trees when it comes to fertilization.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hey, Karen, as you stand back and look at that
maple tree, compared to the past, they'll past two or
three or four years, still looking good, still still have
full sized leaves, still lots of new growth coming out.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Yeah, well the new growth is kind of kind of
whinding down, but it's it's so pretty in the fall.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
All right, But if you put it but look, yeah,
absolutely want to save that tree. But looking at it
from the spring till right now, you would say it
looks nice. And for the most part, the trop looks
good and healthy, and leaves are full size and look good.
Otherwise we're seeing the black on the trunk, but otherwise
the tree is looking pretty good.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Well, it's skinny anymore, it hasn't. Yes, it has has
some growth, but not as much.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
As it used to.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And they'll slow down as they get older, and there's
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh do you know if it do you know if
it's a red maple or a sugar maple.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
You know it's it's that kind of rough bark.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So I don't know what kind of fall color you get.
Yellow yellow, Okay, sounds like maybe sugar.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Okay, oh okay, okay.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Yeah. I love the tree because my whole yard is
nothing but pine, so.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's the lone tree out there.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, well, you know, and again as Ron and I
and we appreciate the call. As Ron and I talk
all the time. You know, anytime you have a larger
tree like that or the solo tree or whatever and
you've got issues, you know, Ron's here today to help
answer some of those questions, but also having an arborist
come on site, a certified arbist, a registered consulting arbist,
to take just an on site look. And obviously there's
(18:19):
a fee to have somebody come out and do that.
There's no doubt. I mean they've got to pay the
gas to come there, but it's worth that. It's so
different than going to your doctor. Let them take a
look at that mole or whatever that thing is on
you and just to making sure you're okay or if
something else needs to be done. And that's again where
the importance of not just a tree service, but making
sure whoever you come out as a registered arborist, certified
(18:40):
consulting arbist.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah. And you know what you really have to be
careful of is there are a lot of people out
there who do tree pruning and tree cutting, and I
wish they weren't there, but they are that just they
their first reaction is cut it down right. And I
really want someone who does have the certification and does
(19:03):
have the knowledge, who specializes more and giving an opinion
on the tree rather than just someone who's going to
make their money from telling you the tree has to
come down whether it needs it or not. And I
just run into that way too often.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Jim in Cincinnati, Jim, is it a quick question? We
got about a minute and a half to go.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it's it'll be It'll be quick, okay, Okay, Hi Ron, Hey, listen,
I got some maple trees here on my property and
they've been they're probably maybe twenty years old, and they
keep growing up and the roots keep getting exposed to
the point where when I run around it to cut
the grass. I really have to use a push more
or otherwise I'll just chop into the roots. Is Is
(19:47):
it okay if I go ahead and level the area
around there with dirt to raise that up to cover
those roots up? Or is that something bad to do it?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It is okay if you put just a little bit
of dirt down. The problem is that the roots are
going to come right back up through that. What I
recommend is within five or six feet of the trunk
to just have mulch there, and then you won't to
worry about it anymore with the lawnmower.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, or a little groundcover out there or something like that.
But you know the problem is you put that down,
it's a temporary fix because next thing you know, they're
right back up at the top again. Much Yeah, And
you can't keep adding the soil forever right at one time? Shot?
All right, quick break, we come back. What about the
cicadas that we had earlier on? Were there moles extra
moles this year the last couple three years because of
(20:33):
the cicada populations. We're gonna find out. We're gonna talk
to the mole man here in the garden with Ron.
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Speaker 1 (22:47):
Welcome back here. In the garden with Ron Wilson talking yardening,
talking trees, talking moles and what you say you're talking moles? Well,
I got Ron Roethis with us in the Inn studio
today talking about trees. And along with those trees, obvious,
we had the BREWD fourteen that come out about a
month and a half ago, and did's a pretty good
number in isolated areas on some of our trees. And
(23:09):
we'll flagging out there right now a natural cruiting process.
Thank you, mister, Missus cicada right, missus cicada exactly, not mister,
But the question I had several folks say, you know,
we used to talk about this all the time, but
I don't hear brought up too much anymore. Do the
mole populations go up right before we have a huge
brood of cicadas emerge? Do we see the populations go up?
(23:33):
We used to think they did and then go down afterwards.
As a matter of fact, the pickle guy, Tom Tim
Dwyer asked me about that the other day, and I said,
you know what I'm gonna find out because we're going
to have the man who knows more about moles than
moles know about moles themselves. His website is the moleman
dot com. He has been our consultant for taking care
(23:55):
of moles for thirty years. He I mean, he's even
done videos and books about it. He even says moles
make lousy pets, ladies and gentlemen, the Clint Eastwood of
mole trappers, and he is a Clint Eastwood of mole trappers.
Mister Tom Schmid, Good morning.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
Sir, Good morning, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You still have that Clint Eastwood or about you when
you walk on to the properties.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
I look like Clint Eastwood anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, I don't know. I thought you did. You got
a little cigar out the side and a cowboy had
on you would be mister Clint Eastwood. So good to happen.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
I wish it was easy.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Good to have you on what it's been a while,
and we stay in touch with email every now and then.
But uh, and I recommend your website still an awful lot,
The moleman dot com. But this question did come up
and typically in the past, and we have talked to
you about this because of course you've got a lot
of experience about moles obviously in mole populations, and you
have said, interestingly enough, you've gone through three brewed fourteen
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emergencies since you been dealing with moles and become the
mole professional. So what does happen do the mole populations
go up in According to the cicada.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
Broods, it's not just it's not just the year of emergence.
It can start four to five years before because all
the cicada are full grown, they just don't come out
of the ground, so it's a big food source for moles,
and the male population can actually start to double five
years before the emergence, and then every year it's an
(25:31):
exponential growth. And that's actually what happens. It starting in
maybe four years before or something, it can increase. I
mean the number of moles that we catch on the
same yards can increase thirty five percent. And the biggest jump,
of course, would be well, actually it's the year before
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emergence is the biggest jump, and that's trapping throughout year.
But actually after the end of May of this year,
the cicada work on and so that population would automatically
start to drop, and it actually can drop, it can
drop eight percent on what we catch. But it just
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means a lot of moles. And you're right about the cicada. Uh,
that's the only reason we talk about it here in
the city. Uh, you know, if it wouldn't be for
our we have two cicada brootes, you know, Brew Cannon
Brew fourteen. So somebody is always talking about mole problems
and stuff like that. But some places once cicada come
up the year after, maybe a year or two after,
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if you live in the woods, you'll see moles in that.
But then eventually you can get maybe maybe eight years,
ten years no molls, no conversations, no calls to run Wilson.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Or no emails to Tom Schmid to come out and
take care of these moles.
Speaker 10 (26:51):
On my problem. No, Well, we have some places, a
lot of properties that we've done just for years, or
cemetery out and in hill in places like that. They
just don't want any any mole hills or tunnels out there,
and so we checked that throughout the year for them
and stuff like that. So it doesn't mean that you
don't catch any moles. That you just catch fewer. But
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you have to look. It's not for want of looking,
and you can't trap it if you're not checking the
properties and that's pretty much what we do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Talking with mister Tom Schmid. He is the Moleman, and
his website is the moleman dot com. As a matter
of fact, a tip sheet that I send out the folks.
That's the first thing I give you is his website
because a lot of the information came from Tom Schmid.
As a matter of fact, that cemetery you're talking about
out an Indian Hill, if you remember, is where I
met you and spent the day traveling around with you
(27:43):
and trapping moles. And I learned more about moles that
day than I've ever learned about moles.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Well that I think that was something around maybe nineteen
ninety one or ninety two. Yeah, they had BREWD fourteen
out there in nineteen ninety one. Yep, that that would be.
And again it wouldn't you know, I'm busier because of
the cicada and stuff like that, and then you hear
about me or we talk or something like that. But
(28:11):
I mean, it's interesting. I think we also went to
the ball field out there.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
We did. Oh yeah, yeah, you took me around, and
I thought what was interesting when we were at the cemetery,
you were showing about some of the headstones that had
started to lean, and you know, you explained to me
and you dug around it and showed me where the
moles were working the outside of those headstones, because the
(28:35):
insects with the moisture and the all were right there
against the headstone. So the moles were work in that
because it was a great source of food.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
Well, it's a big block of marble, and again it
would hold moisture or just the same as a foundation
in the house. But it's funny that. I mean, there's
not a lot of trees and that cemetery, no, but
they can get a lot of all activity and people
walk around in there, and so they don't want to
take chance. We still do that my daughter Sarah, and
Sarah works at cemetery, and and she's out there at
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least once a week walking the whole perimeter and you know,
looking for any kind of activity and kind of nip
it in the bud.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Now, when Sarah was little and you were out there
and carrying all those mole traps rounding your car in
the whole nine yards, and she did shake her head.
And now she's a part of the of the system.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
I think maybe she thought it was a little bit strange,
but oh she had to have somebody reliable. And so
I asked she was working another job or something. I said,
my brother Dick and I could really use it to
uh to get you know, back us up a little bit.
And and that actually could have been, uh, you know,
(29:45):
more towards brew Can over on this side of town.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Interesting and you know, and we're talking with Tom Schmid,
he's the Mallman. His website themollman dot com. At that site,
and I think we went to the ballpark. They had
the wooden posts in the grind to keep where you
parked and you pulled up against the wooden post. You
also took me there and showed me how they traveled
from post to post, doing the exact same thing that
they were doing around the headstones.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
They actually they probably have deep tunnel there. You know,
moles have been around for ten thousand years, so a
lot of the tunnel would be deeper, you know, long
before there was ever a cemetery there or a ball field.
And you know, it seems like they sort of pop
up out of nowhere. People think moles have to walk
in all the time, and they don't. That's all they
(30:33):
have to do. Is come up and they can come
and sometimes this time, you know, if you live out
in the wooded area and you're watering or not watering
this year, Actually part of our problem is the rain
we've had. It's just the grass has been so high
keeping it under control. A lot of the crews just
can't cut that, and it just makes spotting mole tunnels
(30:54):
at a little harder. And we're, you know, keeping up
with it. I'm just I'm aging out of it. And
I don't know. I still I still answered the phone,
and I answered, and I remember these properties, and I
remember the customers, so I remember talking to them a
lot more. But but Sarah and Dick and Jim do
the bulk of the word. Tommy Mahers, he's out. And
(31:14):
Montgomery's been the heaviest this year. Uh as far as
Mole count and in Hill, but Montgomery especially. And actually
they go this brood has gone over into parts of Amberley,
and Amberley actually gets two brutes. They get brew ken
and they get brewed fourteen. So uh, you know where
Sharonville kind of meets Amberley east east side of Amberley.
(31:39):
Were catching some houses there. You would you would think
they I know, they had brew n and all of
a sudden, you're catching a bunch of moles this year.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Interesting, We're gonna take a quick break, Tom, hang with us,
uh and I got more questions for you. I do
want one last comment. You even showed me on that
day where a mole came up on one side of
the road, came across and back down. You found both
those areas where it comes up, went across the road
and came back down on the other side. Totally blew
(32:08):
me away. Tom Schmid, the Moleman. His website is the
moleman dot com. More questions about moles after the break.
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. The
special guest in studio is Ron rothess the arbor Dock
and honestly phone with us A real good friend, known
him for many, many many years. Mister Tom Schmid, he
is the Moleman in his website is the Moleman dot com.
And the moles still make lousy pets, right they sure do,
(34:37):
They sure do.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Sometimes you know, I just tell sometimes it's not the
end of the world. You know, there's not a lot
of damage, you know, and you can fix the damage.
You don't have to trap moles. But but when you
get near these cicada years, you're get an awful lot
of moles. Now that the cicada are out of the ground,
you've got a lot of hungry moles. And you know
(34:58):
you were talking about moles. Moles will cross the road.
I mean, the food's gone. You think about you know,
cicada will say feeding a thousand moles, and all of
a sudden, all the food's gone, and these moles have
to find food and start or starve, and most of
them will starve out even the first year. But you know,
if you're hungry enough, you walk across the street. The
(35:21):
sheriffs out in Indian Hill used to tell me because
they patrol at night in the country roads out there,
and they would see them waddle across.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
The Streetn't that interesting talking with Tom Schmid, the mole man,
you know, you know, you're talking about the food source
and all, and of course, over all the years and
you've learned all and obviously you teach everybody about this
and half for years. But you know, when folks sometimes
will go out there and treat the lawn for grubs
because they have moles. Obviously is not the answer. And
you know you only treat your lawn for grubs if
(35:49):
you have grub problems that are causing problems with your turf.
It's trapping the moles. And again, there's repellents available today.
You're probably still not a big avocate of repellents and never.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
Have been, right, I haven't seen any advantage to having it. Uh.
It just it's putting an awful lot of chemical down
uh that that you may not need, you know. And
I know there are people that spray the yard in
case they get moles, or you take an aspirin in
case you get a headache, but you know, it's probably
something that you don't necessarily need. People just fuss on.
(36:22):
And then there are a lot of a lot of
uh trappers, not mole trappers, just regular trappers, uh, you know,
saying they do moles and stuff like that, and they
give you all this scary information and the sidewalks are
gonna collapse and all this stuff like that moles do
aesthetic damage, only they just they just get you upset.
And again you're trying to grow stuff. If you're buying
(36:45):
plants and watering them and stuff like that, and you
kind of hate to see something get in there, you know,
like a mole. But like I said, right now, there's
a lot of hungry moles around and they're probably gonna
be hungry for another couple of months. Uh, and then
they're gonna have to be living on grubs and whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But and the earthworms obviously they I mean, that's still
a lot of yeah, major source for them. But but
point being is, you know, and then I took take
it away from you, is the fact that the only
short cure is physical removal. And that's a not just
a one time trapping, but typically when you get involved,
it's a it's a year round trapping.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
Well again, if you're not going to kill the tenth one,
don't kill the first one, right, It gets to be
that way. But like I said, you can repair damage.
They can't do anything that you can't take care of.
But now you get a lot of seniors that they
can't get out and stuff like that. But but it's
a lot of especially as much rain as we've had,
these mold tunnels are easy to push down. They're not
(37:42):
really browning out we've we've had enough rain that the
roots kind of stay moist enough where the grass doesn't
really turn brown if we go through a drought. If
we go, you know, maybe a couple of weeks without rain,
you'll see some of those tunnels start to turn brown.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Now, you know, as far when it comes to the trapping,
you know, you are obviously going after most of the time.
I think those search tunnels that are at the top
of the ground. But there's also tunnels obviously that you
showed me that are down deeper in the ground, which
are basically their highways that they move from around the property.
Speaker 10 (38:14):
Correct exactly, they'll go around the foundation and that and
again there are enough pillbugs and ants around the the
in the shrubs and worms and things like that. But
different times during the year you'll see tunnels coming out
from from around the foundation. Generally they'll have tunnel all
the way around the foundation. They'll have it. But again,
(38:36):
and if they're not running tunnels, sometimes you don't even
know they're they're but I know that they almost have
to be. So if you dig down, sometimes not real
deep around the house, maybe six inches down, but those
tunnels don't show from above ground.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Right, because we went to an area where there was
no mole activity. Surface tunnels, which are their feeding tunnels
right where they're looking at the insects, and there were
none there, but yet you were to dig down and
you found one. It was about six or eight inches
below the ground. It looked like a PVC pipe, the
inside of a PVC pipe, nice and smooth except for
the size where they had used those huge paws to
(39:12):
move themselves. And I think you explained to me the
way their hair is, it moves back and forth. They
can go almost as fast forward as they can backwards.
Speaker 10 (39:20):
They actually can. But they can also flip around.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
They can turn around.
Speaker 10 (39:24):
Yeah, the muscles are all in the upper upper chest area,
so it's it would be like a golf ball with
with hind legs, but anyway, it can flip around. And
and I'm amazed at how much you remember about what
we talked about out there, because there are a lot
of people. Don't you paid attention to put it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Hey, when you're hunting with Clint Eastwood, the mole Man,
you remember, well, I mean we we've we've had a
lot of conversations on this show and and again talking
with each other, and so it just I'm amazed at
your your information. As a matter of fact, you you know,
there was a time there. Of course there's more in
full out there about moles today, but there was a
time you were these sources. You were the only person
(40:04):
that actually went out and did research. And of course
you you know, with the book about the the I
forget the book you gave me all about moles. And
then of course your video you did of moles make
Lousy Pets was super information nobody knew about truly about moles.
And one of my point is that I again share
from you telling me that, and it makes sense, is
(40:27):
you got to learn about the mole and understand the
mole and their their habitat, and then it makes it
a lot easier to either accept them or to figure
out how to trap them or what to do about them.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And I think that's you know, all key, and that's
why I sent many people to your website to learn
just learn more about them before you attempt to do anything.
By the way, great story, you were not always the
moleman the trapper. You used to make candy. You were
a candy maker, correct, yes, I was, and you got
involved with it because you had moles and you couldn't
get rid of them in your yard. And if I'm
(41:00):
not mistaken, you almost burnt your car up using the
old exhaust pipe method.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
I think I did well. I messed up the timing.
It was an old V eight that would road run
on natural gas, unleaded gas or excuse me, letted gas.
And it was an old Buick V eight. Yeah. Now,
I put that pipe down on the ground and blew
all the couplings off, the off the hose that got
the hose got so hot. I tried everything underneath the sign.
(41:26):
Like I said, sometimes even if you're a trapper, if
a homeowner is a good mold trapper, sometimes you're can
repair the damage in half the time it would take
to set a mole trap. So it's not the end
of the world. Sometimes you push that stuff down, it
stays down. I always tell people, they said, it's you know,
it's like if you go out in the front yard
and you see a pile of horse manoir and you
go get a gun looking for a horse, pick up
(41:48):
the manure. You may never see it again.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I love it. Talk with Tom Smith the Moleman his
website is Themollman dot com. Uh, I'll tell you one
of the I thought the greatest one of the greatest days,
the things of that day that you and I trapped together,
is when that one mole stuck his head out. You
looked at him and said, go ahead, make my day.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
Yeah right, Yeah, I have a thirty eight in my hands.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I love it, all right, Tom, I appreciate you spending
time with us this morning. Uh, we really do great
information Again the Moollman dot com. Check it out and again,
physical removal if they if they're a real problem in
your yard is the best answer. And learn more about
him at the moleman dot com. Sir, always a pleasure,
appreciate talking with you.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
You take care of yourself, all right, Take care.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Tom Smidt. The moleman website is the moman dot com.
You ever work with trees and dig him up and
find cicadas all attached to the trunks are the roots?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I mean, I've found cicadas in the ground, but I
can't say that I've.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Ever actually seen them attached to that.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, I haven't done that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
But what's interesting is they don't cause problems to the
trees health.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, they've adopted to each other over many, many, you know, centuries.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, what a life, huh, seventeen years underground in the darkness.
Suck it on a tree route, come up, you emerge,
you come out, you mate, and you die.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
That's why they make so much noise and get so
excited when they come out. I mean, what a.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Life, I tell you. Ron Roths is in the house.
He's the arbor doc. His website is arbordoctor dot com.
We're gonna take a break, we come back. We're gonna
continue to talk about trees. If you've got questions eight
hundred eight two three eight two five five, don't forget
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Speaker 5 (43:53):
Help so the do it yourself gardener at one eight
hundred eight two three talk You're in the Garden with
Ron Wilson.
Eight hundred and eight two eighty two, five five, Good morning.
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about yarding.
Kind of a special Saturday show today because we have
our first in house guest since the COVID and we
moved studios at the same time, it made a little
bit different as far as getting people into the studios,
and so we just kind of we just haven't had
(00:56):
the opportunity to do it. Well. He is back with us,
and he to join us in the studio quite a
bit at one time, Ron Roth, it's the arbor doc
And of course we have them on a regular basis,
keeping us updated not only on the weather, but on
trees occasionally as well, but mostly for the weather.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And I have my entourage with me this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You do you brought a couple of young folks that
are just bored as heck right now.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Exactly so for some reason, they just don't get as
excited about trees and gardening as we do. I don't
understand it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't think they get excited about radio like my
grandsons could. I think care less. It's like they don't
listen to radio anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If we were YouTube different, Yeah, yeah, exactly, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They listen to radio. So you know you want to
come down something.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No YouTube influencers, that's the word I was looking for.
We need to be YouTube influences.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, you need to you have the face for YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I have the face for radio.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Everybody has a face for YouTube because everybody's on it anyway,
talking about yardening and if you'd like to join us,
if you've got it, especially if you've got a tree.
A question. We got the expert in the house, Ron
rothis and again his website arbordoctor dot com. As a
matter of fact, let's go to Fennytown. We're talk to
Scott Scott. Good morning, Good morning, how are you, sir?
(02:11):
Good good.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I've got a quick question about a maple tree.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Sure, the mature tree.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I first moved into this place about fourteen years ago,
and it had this big limb that you know, these
like massive limb that shot across my front yard. So
I walked it off. But you know, as a rookie
as I am, I cut it too close. And you
know you're supposed to leave a little out so the
tree could close back up.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I cut it probably about five inches away from the
base of the tree, the main trunk of the tree,
and it's closing up over all these years, but this
one spot that it didn't close up. They don't close
up all the way, and like some black ants got
in there and started burrowing a little hole and stuff.
I was wondering as a way I could like burrow
(03:01):
that out and then put a patch on there they
got like a tree patch or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
No, it's actually better to just more or less leave
that alone. What a tree does is it puts up
chemical barriers to the spread of decay. And if you
go in there and start trying to clean that out
or and put something in there, a lot of times
you will actually end up punching through those chemical barriers
(03:30):
and causing the decay to spread deeper into the tree.
So you're actually better off to just leave it alone
and let the tree kind of take care of itself.
This ants get into the already decaying heartwood, but they're
not going to get into the live parts of the tree.
They're not like bores like emerald ash boar or clear
(03:52):
wing boar or something like that that get into the
live tissue of the tree. They really just stay in
the dead tissue of the tree and kind of increase
the rate of hollowing, and even treating the ants can
get a little bit complicated. Buggy Joe Boggs has shared
with me that if you try to kill the ants
(04:15):
sometimes they'll produce more queens and actually produce more colonies,
So it can actually get kind of complicated trying to
get rid of them as well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Gotcha, So leave it alone and it'll clear.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah. And you know, just for other people who are listening,
and even for you, if if you have this situation
on this tree or another tree, it's really best to
not make larger diameter printing cuts near the main trunk
of the tree. It sounds like from your description you
actually kind of did what I would prefer, and that's
(04:55):
to not cut back all the way to the main branch.
With a large your diameter printing cut, we're actually sometimes
if it's more than say six inches in diameter, we're
often leaving a stub of a couple feet, so that
any decay that's happening is happening out there somewhere and
not right by the main trunk. With a smaller diameter cut,
(05:19):
you do want to cut back to, but not into
the collar at the base of the tree. But for
the larger ones, leaving a little bit of a stub
is actually recommended.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Now, right, that's what I heard.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm saying to We're close to the house. It ain't
really bother anything, but I didn't know what I should
just go and watch it or whatever. I appreciate you
answering my question.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Appreciate the call. Appreciate listening to the show as well. Scott,
good luck with that. You know that talk about during
the break we were talking about how things change over
the years, and I was telling you that you know
you today. If I ever retired from my job full time,
retired from my job at what I do answering questions
and uh, working with the retail and all that kind
of stuff where I'm not in touch with what's going
(06:08):
on in the industry and up to updating myself with
the trends and research and all, I would stop doing
the show because I think, you know, things change and
more and more research all the time, changing some of
our old theories, busting some of our old myths that
are out there. One of you know and again one
of which is like this, as far as that pruning.
(06:29):
You know we used to cut. You know, you cut
right back to that any size at one time, any
size trunk, a branch diameter, you go right back to
just above that branch collar and take that thing off.
Now the theory is, nope, you leave that. Like you
were saying, what about a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Two foot Yeah, on larger diam we're.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Talking yeah, big, And to think about it that we're
talking six to eight inches trunk branch diameter, so we're
talking big.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And even then, you know, that's only if there's no
other real alternative. Ideally, if you have a larger diameter
branch and maybe it's gotten too much end weight on
it or something like that, the first probably the first
choice would be to go out toward the end of
the branch and do what's called a reduction cut, which
(07:15):
is a small diameter cut. Maybe you're going to make
two or three or four reduction cuts on that branch
where you're cutting some of the small diameter growth back
to other branches. So you're taking maybe several hundred pounds
off of that branch. But you don't have any cuts
that are large diameter. That would be ideal. But if
you have a branch they partially has died or for
(07:38):
some reason has to be has to be removed because
there's just nothing left out there, or who knows it's
too low over a parking lot or something like that. Exactly,
then that's when you do this stub type thing. So
we're not saying, you know, just go around and willing
nearly leave trees with thirty or forty stubs all over
(07:59):
the place. This is just really when when that's about
the only alternative, it's like the the best of two choices,
which aren't ideal, but the better choice would be to
make a reduction cut further out on the on the branch.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And again that just shows how research and time and
what you know, what they're doing today has changed a
lot of the practices. And you know that's why you
do so much training yourself to stay up with that.
You know you were talking earlier about you know, one time,
if a lot of suckers started to come out of
the center of the tree, you know, we'd go in
there and clean all those out. Now, fruit trees different
story obviously, right, but you know in in or shade
(08:37):
trees or whatever. And now new research is showing that
no you you leave those alone and let them do
their thing.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, sprouts are good. That was what was drilled into
us at classes with doctor ed Gilman from the University
of Florida.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And we're not talking suckers around the base of the tree.
We're talking up in the tree right right.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But even on the trunk of the tree, they're not
necessarily bad. If you do have a printing cut where
the trees forming that wound tissue around the cut, very
often it will have a sucker to come out of
that area where the cut was made. That sucker has
leaves that are photosynthesizing, and photosynthesis is how a tree
(09:15):
makes basically food or nutrients for itself, so that sucker
is actually feeding the production of wound tissue around that wound.
So when you have a sucker coming out of a
wound area, a lot of times you want to leave
that sucker. How long, Well, you don't want it to
get too large a diameter, but maybe for a couple
(09:35):
of years, something like that, a few years, but once
it gets up to half inch or an inch in diameter,
you want to you know, if it's not an appropriate place,
you would want to take it off, but at least
for a few years, we've actually seen where you have
basically a round printing cut with rounded wound tissue and
you'll see a bulge out into the wound area adjacent
(09:59):
to where that's sucker is because of the increased production
of photosynthetes right around where that sucker is growing.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Interesting, all right, just take a quick break, Karen, hang on,
we're going to come right to you after the break.
Talking with ron rothis the arbor duck. Got a question
about trees. Uh, Ronald, of course, a full of great
information about your trees, and then give us a call
it eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Coming up at the bottom of the hour, we're going
to continue talking about trees. We're going to talk about
an event that we had happened this spring with the cicadas.
(10:28):
There's a huge event in some areas of our area,
in some areas around the state as well. There's always
been the question, and we'll talk about cicada damage, the
question about populations of moles. Do the populations of moles
go up when there's a heavy brew of cicada's getting
ready to emerge, and then go back down again? Well,
we're gonna find out because We're going to the source.
We're going to have the moleman join us. At the
(10:50):
bottom of the hour, Ron rothis the tree dock, the moullman.
At the bottom of the hour, you and me talking
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again
that toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five talking about yardning, also talking about trees.
We've got Ron Rothison with us this morning the arbor
DC and he's full of great new information as well.
He's uh. I think he does more training and more
certification than anybody I know when it comes to arborus
and that's why he's so full of full of information.
(14:33):
Karen in Cincinnati, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
I have a question about a maple tree. Okay, it
has black bark pretty far up the tree. Is it
dying or is that natural?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's kind of natural. It's a uh. It's a fungus
called sooty mode and it can be associated with scale insects.
It can also be a s asociated with aphids. It
can be associated with woodpeckers that get into the tree
and induce sap flow, and sap that kind of drips
(15:11):
down on the trunk and then kind of gets drawn
down by rainfall and things like that. So there are
a lot of different things that can cause it. I
have it does seem and this is just kind of
experiential for me that it seems that trees that have
that going on sometimes are a little bit more stressed.
(15:34):
So sometimes I like to, you know, just kind of
give them a little bit of an extra tension from
a standpoint of making sure that they're mulched properly, and
that would be with a coarse textured mulch out several
feet from the trunk of the tree. Make sure that
they get watered occasionally during dry spells one inch per
(15:54):
week during the growing season may through November. And we
don't want to drown it because especially sugar maples don't
want to be sitting in water all the time. But
if you do get a long dry spell, a little
bit of watering can help. So just little things like that.
What you don't want to do with an older maple tree,
or really any older tree, is to overreact and start
(16:17):
really dumping a lot of fertilizer on them, especially high
nitrogen fertilizer that can actually exacerbate the situation. A little
bit of fertilization where you may be feeding the microbes
in the soil and things like that can be good,
but you really want to be kind of conservative on
older trees when it comes to fertilization.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hey, Karen, as you stand back and look at that
maple tree, compared to the past, they'll past two or
three or four years, still looking good, still still have
full sized leaves, still lots of new growth coming out.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Yeah, well the new growth is kind of kind of
whinding down, but it's it's so pretty in the fall.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
All right, But if you put it but look, yeah,
absolutely want to save that tree. But looking at it
from the spring till right now, you would say it
looks nice. And for the most part, the trop looks
good and healthy, and leaves are full size and look good.
Otherwise we're seeing the black on the trunk, but otherwise
the tree is looking pretty good.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Well, it's skinny anymore, it hasn't. Yes, it has has
some growth, but not as much.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
As it used to.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And they'll slow down as they get older, and there's
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh do you know if it do you know if
it's a red maple or a sugar maple.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
You know it's it's that kind of rough bark.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So I don't know what kind of fall color you get.
Yellow yellow, Okay, sounds like maybe sugar.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Okay, oh okay, okay.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Yeah. I love the tree because my whole yard is
nothing but pine, so.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's the lone tree out there.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, well, you know, and again as Ron and I
and we appreciate the call. As Ron and I talk
all the time. You know, anytime you have a larger
tree like that or the solo tree or whatever and
you've got issues, you know, Ron's here today to help
answer some of those questions, but also having an arborist
come on site, a certified arbist, a registered consulting arbist,
to take just an on site look. And obviously there's
(18:19):
a fee to have somebody come out and do that.
There's no doubt. I mean they've got to pay the
gas to come there, but it's worth that. It's so
different than going to your doctor. Let them take a
look at that mole or whatever that thing is on
you and just to making sure you're okay or if
something else needs to be done. And that's again where
the importance of not just a tree service, but making
sure whoever you come out as a registered arborist, certified
(18:40):
consulting arbist.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah. And you know what you really have to be
careful of is there are a lot of people out
there who do tree pruning and tree cutting, and I
wish they weren't there, but they are that just they
their first reaction is cut it down right. And I
really want someone who does have the certification and does
(19:03):
have the knowledge, who specializes more and giving an opinion
on the tree rather than just someone who's going to
make their money from telling you the tree has to
come down whether it needs it or not. And I
just run into that way too often.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Jim in Cincinnati, Jim, is it a quick question? We
got about a minute and a half to go.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it's it'll be It'll be quick, okay, Okay, Hi Ron, Hey, listen,
I got some maple trees here on my property and
they've been they're probably maybe twenty years old, and they
keep growing up and the roots keep getting exposed to
the point where when I run around it to cut
the grass. I really have to use a push more
or otherwise I'll just chop into the roots. Is Is
(19:47):
it okay if I go ahead and level the area
around there with dirt to raise that up to cover
those roots up? Or is that something bad to do it?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It is okay if you put just a little bit
of dirt down. The problem is that the roots are
going to come right back up through that. What I
recommend is within five or six feet of the trunk
to just have mulch there, and then you won't to
worry about it anymore with the lawnmower.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, or a little groundcover out there or something like that.
But you know the problem is you put that down,
it's a temporary fix because next thing you know, they're
right back up at the top again. Much Yeah, And
you can't keep adding the soil forever right at one time? Shot?
All right, quick break, we come back. What about the
cicadas that we had earlier on? Were there moles extra
moles this year the last couple three years because of
(20:33):
the cicada populations. We're gonna find out. We're gonna talk
to the mole man here in the garden with Ron.
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Speaker 1 (22:47):
Welcome back here. In the garden with Ron Wilson talking yardening,
talking trees, talking moles and what you say you're talking moles? Well,
I got Ron Roethis with us in the Inn studio
today talking about trees. And along with those trees, obvious,
we had the BREWD fourteen that come out about a
month and a half ago, and did's a pretty good
number in isolated areas on some of our trees. And
(23:09):
we'll flagging out there right now a natural cruiting process.
Thank you, mister, Missus cicada right, missus cicada exactly, not mister,
But the question I had several folks say, you know,
we used to talk about this all the time, but
I don't hear brought up too much anymore. Do the
mole populations go up right before we have a huge
brood of cicadas emerge? Do we see the populations go up?
(23:33):
We used to think they did and then go down afterwards.
As a matter of fact, the pickle guy, Tom Tim
Dwyer asked me about that the other day, and I said,
you know what I'm gonna find out because we're going
to have the man who knows more about moles than
moles know about moles themselves. His website is the moleman
dot com. He has been our consultant for taking care
(23:55):
of moles for thirty years. He I mean, he's even
done videos and books about it. He even says moles
make lousy pets, ladies and gentlemen, the Clint Eastwood of
mole trappers, and he is a Clint Eastwood of mole trappers.
Mister Tom Schmid, Good morning.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
Sir, Good morning, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You still have that Clint Eastwood or about you when
you walk on to the properties.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
I look like Clint Eastwood anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, I don't know. I thought you did. You got
a little cigar out the side and a cowboy had
on you would be mister Clint Eastwood. So good to happen.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
I wish it was easy.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Good to have you on what it's been a while,
and we stay in touch with email every now and then.
But uh, and I recommend your website still an awful lot,
The moleman dot com. But this question did come up
and typically in the past, and we have talked to
you about this because of course you've got a lot
of experience about moles obviously in mole populations, and you
have said, interestingly enough, you've gone through three brewed fourteen
(24:58):
emergencies since you been dealing with moles and become the
mole professional. So what does happen do the mole populations
go up in According to the cicada.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
Broods, it's not just it's not just the year of emergence.
It can start four to five years before because all
the cicada are full grown, they just don't come out
of the ground, so it's a big food source for moles,
and the male population can actually start to double five
years before the emergence, and then every year it's an
(25:31):
exponential growth. And that's actually what happens. It starting in
maybe four years before or something, it can increase. I
mean the number of moles that we catch on the
same yards can increase thirty five percent. And the biggest jump,
of course, would be well, actually it's the year before
(25:53):
emergence is the biggest jump, and that's trapping throughout year.
But actually after the end of May of this year,
the cicada work on and so that population would automatically
start to drop, and it actually can drop, it can
drop eight percent on what we catch. But it just
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means a lot of moles. And you're right about the cicada. Uh,
that's the only reason we talk about it here in
the city. Uh, you know, if it wouldn't be for
our we have two cicada brootes, you know, Brew Cannon
Brew fourteen. So somebody is always talking about mole problems
and stuff like that. But some places once cicada come
up the year after, maybe a year or two after,
(26:37):
if you live in the woods, you'll see moles in that.
But then eventually you can get maybe maybe eight years,
ten years no molls, no conversations, no calls to run Wilson.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Or no emails to Tom Schmid to come out and
take care of these moles.
Speaker 10 (26:51):
On my problem. No, Well, we have some places, a
lot of properties that we've done just for years, or
cemetery out and in hill in places like that. They
just don't want any any mole hills or tunnels out there,
and so we checked that throughout the year for them
and stuff like that. So it doesn't mean that you
don't catch any moles. That you just catch fewer. But
(27:14):
you have to look. It's not for want of looking,
and you can't trap it if you're not checking the
properties and that's pretty much what we do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Talking with mister Tom Schmid. He is the Moleman, and
his website is the moleman dot com. As a matter
of fact, a tip sheet that I send out the folks.
That's the first thing I give you is his website
because a lot of the information came from Tom Schmid.
As a matter of fact, that cemetery you're talking about
out an Indian Hill, if you remember, is where I
met you and spent the day traveling around with you
(27:43):
and trapping moles. And I learned more about moles that
day than I've ever learned about moles.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Well that I think that was something around maybe nineteen
ninety one or ninety two. Yeah, they had BREWD fourteen
out there in nineteen ninety one. Yep, that that would be.
And again it wouldn't you know, I'm busier because of
the cicada and stuff like that, and then you hear
about me or we talk or something like that. But
(28:11):
I mean, it's interesting. I think we also went to
the ball field out there.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
We did. Oh yeah, yeah, you took me around, and
I thought what was interesting when we were at the cemetery,
you were showing about some of the headstones that had
started to lean, and you know, you explained to me
and you dug around it and showed me where the
moles were working the outside of those headstones, because the
(28:35):
insects with the moisture and the all were right there
against the headstone. So the moles were work in that
because it was a great source of food.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
Well, it's a big block of marble, and again it
would hold moisture or just the same as a foundation
in the house. But it's funny that. I mean, there's
not a lot of trees and that cemetery, no, but
they can get a lot of all activity and people
walk around in there, and so they don't want to
take chance. We still do that my daughter Sarah, and
Sarah works at cemetery, and and she's out there at
(29:06):
least once a week walking the whole perimeter and you know,
looking for any kind of activity and kind of nip
it in the bud.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Now, when Sarah was little and you were out there
and carrying all those mole traps rounding your car in
the whole nine yards, and she did shake her head.
And now she's a part of the of the system.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
I think maybe she thought it was a little bit strange,
but oh she had to have somebody reliable. And so
I asked she was working another job or something. I said,
my brother Dick and I could really use it to
uh to get you know, back us up a little bit.
And and that actually could have been, uh, you know,
(29:45):
more towards brew Can over on this side of town.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Interesting and you know, and we're talking with Tom Schmid,
he's the Mallman. His website themollman dot com. At that site,
and I think we went to the ballpark. They had
the wooden posts in the grind to keep where you
parked and you pulled up against the wooden post. You
also took me there and showed me how they traveled
from post to post, doing the exact same thing that
they were doing around the headstones.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
They actually they probably have deep tunnel there. You know,
moles have been around for ten thousand years, so a
lot of the tunnel would be deeper, you know, long
before there was ever a cemetery there or a ball field.
And you know, it seems like they sort of pop
up out of nowhere. People think moles have to walk
in all the time, and they don't. That's all they
(30:33):
have to do. Is come up and they can come
and sometimes this time, you know, if you live out
in the wooded area and you're watering or not watering
this year, Actually part of our problem is the rain
we've had. It's just the grass has been so high
keeping it under control. A lot of the crews just
can't cut that, and it just makes spotting mole tunnels
(30:54):
at a little harder. And we're, you know, keeping up
with it. I'm just I'm aging out of it. And
I don't know. I still I still answered the phone,
and I answered, and I remember these properties, and I
remember the customers, so I remember talking to them a
lot more. But but Sarah and Dick and Jim do
the bulk of the word. Tommy Mahers, he's out. And
(31:14):
Montgomery's been the heaviest this year. Uh as far as
Mole count and in Hill, but Montgomery especially. And actually
they go this brood has gone over into parts of Amberley,
and Amberley actually gets two brutes. They get brew ken
and they get brewed fourteen. So uh, you know where
Sharonville kind of meets Amberley east east side of Amberley.
(31:39):
Were catching some houses there. You would you would think
they I know, they had brew n and all of
a sudden, you're catching a bunch of moles this year.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Interesting, We're gonna take a quick break, Tom, hang with us,
uh and I got more questions for you. I do
want one last comment. You even showed me on that
day where a mole came up on one side of
the road, came across and back down. You found both
those areas where it comes up, went across the road
and came back down on the other side. Totally blew
(32:08):
me away. Tom Schmid, the Moleman. His website is the
moleman dot com. More questions about moles after the break.
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. The
special guest in studio is Ron rothess the arbor Dock
and honestly phone with us A real good friend, known
him for many, many many years. Mister Tom Schmid, he
is the Moleman in his website is the Moleman dot com.
And the moles still make lousy pets, right they sure do,
(34:37):
They sure do.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Sometimes you know, I just tell sometimes it's not the
end of the world. You know, there's not a lot
of damage, you know, and you can fix the damage.
You don't have to trap moles. But but when you
get near these cicada years, you're get an awful lot
of moles. Now that the cicada are out of the ground,
you've got a lot of hungry moles. And you know
(34:58):
you were talking about moles. Moles will cross the road.
I mean, the food's gone. You think about you know,
cicada will say feeding a thousand moles, and all of
a sudden, all the food's gone, and these moles have
to find food and start or starve, and most of
them will starve out even the first year. But you know,
if you're hungry enough, you walk across the street. The
(35:21):
sheriffs out in Indian Hill used to tell me because
they patrol at night in the country roads out there,
and they would see them waddle across.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
The Streetn't that interesting talking with Tom Schmid, the mole man,
you know, you know, you're talking about the food source
and all, and of course, over all the years and
you've learned all and obviously you teach everybody about this
and half for years. But you know, when folks sometimes
will go out there and treat the lawn for grubs
because they have moles. Obviously is not the answer. And
you know you only treat your lawn for grubs if
(35:49):
you have grub problems that are causing problems with your turf.
It's trapping the moles. And again, there's repellents available today.
You're probably still not a big avocate of repellents and never.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
Have been, right, I haven't seen any advantage to having it. Uh.
It just it's putting an awful lot of chemical down
uh that that you may not need, you know. And
I know there are people that spray the yard in
case they get moles, or you take an aspirin in
case you get a headache, but you know, it's probably
something that you don't necessarily need. People just fuss on.
(36:22):
And then there are a lot of a lot of
uh trappers, not mole trappers, just regular trappers, uh, you know,
saying they do moles and stuff like that, and they
give you all this scary information and the sidewalks are
gonna collapse and all this stuff like that moles do
aesthetic damage, only they just they just get you upset.
And again you're trying to grow stuff. If you're buying
(36:45):
plants and watering them and stuff like that, and you
kind of hate to see something get in there, you know,
like a mole. But like I said, right now, there's
a lot of hungry moles around and they're probably gonna
be hungry for another couple of months. Uh, and then
they're gonna have to be living on grubs and whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But and the earthworms obviously they I mean, that's still
a lot of yeah, major source for them. But but
point being is, you know, and then I took take
it away from you, is the fact that the only
short cure is physical removal. And that's a not just
a one time trapping, but typically when you get involved,
it's a it's a year round trapping.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
Well again, if you're not going to kill the tenth one,
don't kill the first one, right, It gets to be
that way. But like I said, you can repair damage.
They can't do anything that you can't take care of.
But now you get a lot of seniors that they
can't get out and stuff like that. But but it's
a lot of especially as much rain as we've had,
these mold tunnels are easy to push down. They're not
(37:42):
really browning out we've we've had enough rain that the
roots kind of stay moist enough where the grass doesn't
really turn brown if we go through a drought. If
we go, you know, maybe a couple of weeks without rain,
you'll see some of those tunnels start to turn brown.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Now, you know, as far when it comes to the trapping,
you know, you are obviously going after most of the time.
I think those search tunnels that are at the top
of the ground. But there's also tunnels obviously that you
showed me that are down deeper in the ground, which
are basically their highways that they move from around the property.
Speaker 10 (38:14):
Correct exactly, they'll go around the foundation and that and
again there are enough pillbugs and ants around the the
in the shrubs and worms and things like that. But
different times during the year you'll see tunnels coming out
from from around the foundation. Generally they'll have tunnel all
the way around the foundation. They'll have it. But again,
(38:36):
and if they're not running tunnels, sometimes you don't even
know they're they're but I know that they almost have
to be. So if you dig down, sometimes not real
deep around the house, maybe six inches down, but those
tunnels don't show from above ground.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Right, because we went to an area where there was
no mole activity. Surface tunnels, which are their feeding tunnels
right where they're looking at the insects, and there were
none there, but yet you were to dig down and
you found one. It was about six or eight inches
below the ground. It looked like a PVC pipe, the
inside of a PVC pipe, nice and smooth except for
the size where they had used those huge paws to
(39:12):
move themselves. And I think you explained to me the
way their hair is, it moves back and forth. They
can go almost as fast forward as they can backwards.
Speaker 10 (39:20):
They actually can. But they can also flip around.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
They can turn around.
Speaker 10 (39:24):
Yeah, the muscles are all in the upper upper chest area,
so it's it would be like a golf ball with
with hind legs, but anyway, it can flip around. And
and I'm amazed at how much you remember about what
we talked about out there, because there are a lot
of people. Don't you paid attention to put it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Hey, when you're hunting with Clint Eastwood, the mole Man,
you remember, well, I mean we we've we've had a
lot of conversations on this show and and again talking
with each other, and so it just I'm amazed at
your your information. As a matter of fact, you you know,
there was a time there. Of course there's more in
full out there about moles today, but there was a
time you were these sources. You were the only person
(40:04):
that actually went out and did research. And of course
you you know, with the book about the the I
forget the book you gave me all about moles. And
then of course your video you did of moles make
Lousy Pets was super information nobody knew about truly about moles.
And one of my point is that I again share
from you telling me that, and it makes sense, is
(40:27):
you got to learn about the mole and understand the
mole and their their habitat, and then it makes it
a lot easier to either accept them or to figure
out how to trap them or what to do about them.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And I think that's you know, all key, and that's
why I sent many people to your website to learn
just learn more about them before you attempt to do anything.
By the way, great story, you were not always the
moleman the trapper. You used to make candy. You were
a candy maker, correct, yes, I was, and you got
involved with it because you had moles and you couldn't
get rid of them in your yard. And if I'm
(41:00):
not mistaken, you almost burnt your car up using the
old exhaust pipe method.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
I think I did well. I messed up the timing.
It was an old V eight that would road run
on natural gas, unleaded gas or excuse me, letted gas.
And it was an old Buick V eight. Yeah. Now,
I put that pipe down on the ground and blew
all the couplings off, the off the hose that got
the hose got so hot. I tried everything underneath the sign.
(41:26):
Like I said, sometimes even if you're a trapper, if
a homeowner is a good mold trapper, sometimes you're can
repair the damage in half the time it would take
to set a mole trap. So it's not the end
of the world. Sometimes you push that stuff down, it
stays down. I always tell people, they said, it's you know,
it's like if you go out in the front yard
and you see a pile of horse manoir and you
go get a gun looking for a horse, pick up
(41:48):
the manure. You may never see it again.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I love it. Talk with Tom Smith the Moleman his
website is Themollman dot com. Uh, I'll tell you one
of the I thought the greatest one of the greatest days,
the things of that day that you and I trapped together,
is when that one mole stuck his head out. You
looked at him and said, go ahead, make my day.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
Yeah right, Yeah, I have a thirty eight in my hands.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I love it, all right, Tom, I appreciate you spending
time with us this morning. Uh, we really do great
information Again the Moollman dot com. Check it out and again,
physical removal if they if they're a real problem in
your yard is the best answer. And learn more about
him at the moleman dot com. Sir, always a pleasure,
appreciate talking with you.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
You take care of yourself, all right, Take care.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Tom Smidt. The moleman website is the moman dot com.
You ever work with trees and dig him up and
find cicadas all attached to the trunks are the roots?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I mean, I've found cicadas in the ground, but I
can't say that I've.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Ever actually seen them attached to that.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, I haven't done that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
But what's interesting is they don't cause problems to the
trees health.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, they've adopted to each other over many, many, you know, centuries.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, what a life, huh, seventeen years underground in the darkness.
Suck it on a tree route, come up, you emerge,
you come out, you mate, and you die.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
That's why they make so much noise and get so
excited when they come out. I mean, what a.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Life, I tell you. Ron Roths is in the house.
He's the arbor doc. His website is arbordoctor dot com.
We're gonna take a break, we come back. We're gonna
continue to talk about trees. If you've got questions eight
hundred eight two three eight two five five, don't forget
our website, Ron Wilson online dot com, Facebook page. In
the Garden with Ron Wilson. A little bit more after
the break. Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Help so the do it yourself gardener at one eight
hundred eight two three talk You're in the Garden with
Ron Wilson.
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