Ron Wilson 7/5/2025 Hour 2

Jerry Rose and Dr AAA!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy talking about yarding. Don't forget our website,
it's Ron Wilson online dot com. Of course Facebook page
in the Garden with Ron Wilson as well. Now, every
year we have this young man on our show to
kind of give us an update on well, if you're
into growing giant pumpkins, this is the man we like

(00:54):
to talk to because he is our giant pumpkin growing expert,
and it's always fun to find out how how the
weather affects them. Where we are right now, because you know,
sometime in September and October they're going to be harvesting
these pumpkins that way more than a Volkswagen. So we're
gonna find out. You're right there, Yeah, I am right there.
And of course he has been with us, like I

(01:16):
said many many years. Today's broadcasting to us live from
a unnamed campground in the state of Ohio. We're not
going to tell you where he is because everybody would
flock to find him, but he's camping out this morning.
Jerry Rose, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ron is a sweet smell me.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Let me clarify first, I'm camping about ten miles from
my house because you can't be too far from the pumpkins.
That I'm actually at home right now getting ready to
spray for bugs and diseases.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh well, that was my third question. The first question
was can you smell the blackstone grills firing up already
with pancakes AND's and.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Bacon that will be in a couple three hours. I
it's my wife knows this time of the year, you
don't go real far away from home because I can
put sixty eight hours, six to eight hours a day
into the plants if I want to, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
So, I'm just I'm just telling you. This is Jerry Rose,
who also sleeps with his pumpkins. We'll talk more about
that later. Second question was you have to have like
a huge recycling container at your campground for all those
global cans or whatever you guys decided to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
There's a few. I had a few around the campfire
last night. Yeah, it's the pumpkin girl. I don't don't.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
We don't drink.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You ain't got time for that, but you know, in
your camp and you can sit around the fire and
have a few, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
And third then my question was how can you go
camping when you've got those precious pumpkins back at home?
But you've already answered that one.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, It's like I said, I'll be home till probably
about ten o'clock this morning. And as soon as we
hang up, I got water and all my spray is
ready to go for you know, the bugs and diseases,
which haven't been too bad yet. We've been getting some
cucumber beetles, and I know, other than that, the biggest
test I'm having right now, and me and him are
fighting and we're gonna have a war here quickly. I've
already had a war as a groundhog.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Uh oh, yeah, you need to call me in. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That was my That was two strands of electric fencer
out patch the other day, and I got live traps
and cond of bears and we're gonna we're gonna get
him here eventually.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know. That was my nickname back in the when
I was in the school at high school, was the groundhog.
That was my CEV name because the farmers actually hired
me to help exterminate the groundhogs on their farms.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I do that too.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean, they can occasionally get lead poison, but I
haven't seen this one long enough to get him yet.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, it could be tough talking with Jerry Rose.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
If you want to learn more about all this, go
to Big Pumpkins dot com. Great website. You'll see Jerry's
name and articles and all kinds of stuff on there
for you. So let's get everybody as First of all,
a summary from twenty twenty four, which you when I
saw you in October at the way off in at Oakland,
you were not the happiest camper of all campers when

(04:04):
it comes to the pumpkins. But at the when it
was all said and done, of course, the Stelts did
extremely well.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, he did really well.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh my gosh, Carol did I don't know what Dave did,
but you wound up. You wound up coming in, if
I'm not mistaken, seventy sixth in the world with a
nineteen eighty three and a half pound pumpkin.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, it wasn't too bad. I was expecting it. You know,
you always hear us talking. We call what we go chart,
go heavy, go light. My pumpkin estimated at nineteen eighty
three was estimating a little over twenty two hundred pounds,
and you know, I was hoping for at least a
two thousand pounder and it went what we call light,
so you know it. You know, I think my measurements.

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When I took that to our show in Canfield, I
was estimated to be in fourth place and ended up
being an eighth place because some other guys went heavy.
I went light. Even though one I had down to
Oakland Nursery you should have been was just slightly smaller.
It should have been just under twenty two hundred pounds
and it went eighteen eighty five. So yeah, I was
a little frustrated. I'm trying a few different little things
this year with I don't we don't furlive a lot,

(05:10):
but you know, a few different things. One of the
big things that's talking amongst some of the girls now
is getting the boron levels up in your soil and
then your plants a little bit. You got to be
very careful for boros. You'll kill them too.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
But it's also your bigh what do they call it
the highway. It makes the highway through the plant to
get the calcium and everything. And we know calcium helps
make our pumpkins heavy if we can and keep them
from splitting two.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, and when you say it didn't, you know, it
weighed in the light. And of course they guesstimate before
they weigh these. Uh, there's a reason for doing that.
We won't get into all that, but you know it
came in light. It came in light because of just
didn't have the meat inside it you thought was going
to be there. I mean, is that what the boiler
Dad wasn't.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I must just not as dense.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I wish I knew if I knew what I could
do to make them go heavy. You know, Dave, when
Dave had that big in the world last year at
what twenty seven thirty one, that was only us to
not only but it was estimating I think around twenty
five hundred pounds or something like that, maybe even a
little bit smaller. So he went what we call way heavy.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, yeah, you know, and I was looking at that
because I according to the chart, it was twenty three
to twelve that he was estimate what it was. Yeah,
and it came in a twenty seven thirty one and af.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yep, wow, So that's what that's what our ultimate goal
is to get them to go heavy like that. And
I'm trying a few things, and uh, you know, I
always pour the water to them a lot, you know.
And then even though we've out of you know, I'm
sure you guys too, and been one of our wettest
springs in a long time. You know, I'm growing in
the high tunnel. I don't get none of that. So
I'm I'm been watering. But last year I was putting roughly,

(06:46):
you know, one hundred plus gallons a day on each plant,
and uh, but I was noticing a lot of root
rock problems towards the end of the season and that,
so I'm cutting back this year to around sixty to
seventy gallons per plant. And because the one of the
old theories we all have theories is the more water
you pour to them, the heavier they're going to be
when we go to that chart, you know, because your water,

(07:07):
hopefully you'll suck that water up. But I don't think so.
A nice talking to Dave and he said he was
only putting on around sixty to seventy gallons on each
plant last year, So we're I'm actually going to cut
back on my watering a little.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Bit this year. Interesting talking with Jerry Rose. He is
our giant pumpkin grower world known. Everybody knows Jerry Rose
and the super nice guy, and he does sleep with
his pumpkins. By the way, when the time comes along
that you're protecting him, he grabs all the blankets and
he's out there. And it's an agreement he and missus
Rose have, just like when they go camping, that he's

(07:37):
got to go ten miles away so he can come
back and check his babies. Now, you know, before we
take a break here, you're talking about you're growing yours
now in a high tunnel versus in an open field
or an open patch. So folks understand what is a
high tunnel.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's just basically a big greenhouse thirty by one hundred
and eighty foot long, thirty foot wide. But mine all
the sides roll up, uh six foot plus on the sides,
so like right now, I can I'm standing here, I
can look at it. You know, all my sides are
open and everything. I got a shade cover over the top,
shade cover on the sides to keep it from getting
too hot. And uh, but if it's weather is gonna

(08:13):
get bad. Or it's a really cold night, I can
close the sides down.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And and there's no heat inside there, right you.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, you could have that's the next thing. Yeah, I
guess gotta just gotta get out there and get it,
put a put a furnace in there, especially for the
spring and fall.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And the advantages of doing this obviously is that you
can get hopefully an early start and protect it from
me the colder weather, yes, and and the rain.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I mean it's like as we as we've had. You know,
my boy Jerry's got his plants over next door, and
they're just they're just swamped out because of you know
that it's a couple of weeks ago we had like
six plus inches over a week, you know, and even
last week we had two or three's. This week seems
like it's finally drying out a little bit, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Wow. Talking with Jerry Rose again in the Big Pumpkins
dot com. If you want to check out the website,
it's absolutely outstanding. You actually, so folks understand this too.
You control everything from the beginning to the end, and
you including in choosing the seeds, starting the plants, choosing
the plants, and even choosing the flowers that stay on

(09:18):
the plant and which ones get pollinated. And you do
that as well.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh yeah, we hand pollinate, you know. I try to
look when I cross pollinate, I try to look for
my what because you don't know what the plant's going
to produce at the end of the year, So I
look for traits in that plant to cross with the female.
Take the males off of one plant and cross the female.
Like this year, one of my nicest plants was out
of Quinton Warners. What do you call him? The godfather?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Godfather?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, And I took some pollen from his plant
to most of mine because I just really like the
traits and his plant that I'm hoping to carry on
to the next generation.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And as you as well, you picked usually two or
three of the males. You peel the flower off and
uh and literally slitterly roll them around in the female
And yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
But your pumpkins not next to his.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
You gotta walk down the pads. You gotta cut him off,
walk down the patch and you oh, and then when
it's all said and down, you put a cool I
put a when he hot like this, I put a
little styrofoam core with three three Gatorade bottles and Throzen
water in there to keep it cool. You know, it
gets all steamed up in there. You got to keep
it cooled off when you're done.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Is it the pumpkin or you getting steamed up? I
don't want I don't want the answer. I don't want
the answer to that. One talk with Jerry Rose. He
is our giant pumpkin grower and of course big Pumpkins
dot com. If you want to learn more about all
of this and see all the records from the past
and what they're shooting for this year's take a quick break.
We come back. We'll find out more about where we
stand right now with these giant pumpkins with Jerry Rose.

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Speaker 1 (14:11):
Talking Yardening at eight hundred eight two three eighty two
five five. Our special guest this morning, mister Jerry Rose
is with us. He's our giant pumpkin grower again Big
Pumpkins dot com. If you want to check it out, Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Sir, I just set up my rain barrels forty five
hundred gallon tanks underneath my gutter. Is it big enough?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was, geez, I was gonna say I was. Actually
that's one of my Are you reading my list of
questions here today? One of my questions was, you know,
with you as much water as you have to provide
those pumpkins, you know whether you call actually collected.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Water into the first year, I got a fifty by
seventy five build and a thirty six by eighty build,
and plus my house, and I got all the gutters
going into a little volley been there for years, and
I just went to an auction, bought some tank and
got them all set up. And the thing is, I
set them up just in the last week or so.

(15:05):
We haven't had much rain. I've been able to fill
them up pretty much once and I've already used all
the water, and uh so now I'm back to using
well water. So now now I'm after the point where
but hopefully you know, I kind of got the if
I got the mass turntured out, we get about a
third of an inch of rain with all my buildings
all fill them tanks.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So wow, that's unbelievable. So is this the water you're
talking about? Giving those on a daily basis? Does that
continue right up until you harvest to go to the
to the way offs.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now usually start slowing down towards the end a little
bit because they're not absorbing monks don't dry as much.
And that's what I said. I had the root rot
problems last year, and the boys, Jerry is like, you know,
you got actually got spots out here in your pat
where you got like moss growing on the ground. Yeah,
so I think I'm a little too wet. That's why
we're cutting back a little bit this year.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Got it now, Well, you showed me some pictures last
week so I could get an idea where you were
right now. A couple of questions I had when I
looked in there. Obviously I only see a few pumpkin scattered,
and that's off for purpose because it's what one or
two pumpkins per plant, right, one.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
One per plant. I'm down to one per plant now, OK. Yeah,
they're growing pretty good. The oldest one is what am
I now? It's a little over two weeks old, actually
a little over twenty days old, and we're probably about
two hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That thing is two weeks old.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, geez, yep, they're growing they're growing good right now.
They don't like all these ninety degree days. It kind
of burns a little bit. But you know, eighty I
always say about eighty two, eighty three and then a
sixty three degree nights, perfect temperature. And you know, just
like you guys, I think we've had ninety three ninety
four quite a few days in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You know, I feel the air conditioner coming in that
high tunnel.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's not to do that before, for we don't have
air condition of the windows in our house.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
My wife will kill me.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I don't think that would be a good idea.
Talking about Jerry Rose, he is our giant pumpkin grower.
I also noticed a couple of things. One is, obviously
there weren't a lot of other flowers going on in there,
And I sent you a picture of our volunteer again
pump pumpkin came up. That thing's of course right now,
flowering like crazy. All mostly males. Every now and then
we get the female. But do you go through a

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hand cut all those out of there.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't worry about the males, but I do take
all the females. But you know, as any cocurbit plant.
You know, you get your main vine, then we call it.
You get your secondary vines, and anything off the secondary
we called tertiaries. And so we leave the main vine
and the secondaries. And then every three or four days
I go out there and your tension between the leaf

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and the secondary vine to get that tertiary vine out
before it starts to grow or just it's just starting
to grow. And a lot of the time the little
male flowers coming up at the same time, so a
lot of the times it does get pinched off when
it's just starting to form there. But I'm not worried
about the males as much as making sure all the
there's only one female on the plants, all of them
will be gone.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Do you bread those and fry those?

Speaker 8 (18:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I know, eating punkins here, that's cannibalism.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Do you eat pumpkin pie Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
They ain't my favorite, but I have.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I love it. Talking with Jerry Rose our giant pumpkin
grow again Big Pumpkins dot com if you want to
check it out. All right, so I got now I
got a personal question. Our pumpkin our volunteer this time
is right by the sidewalk. It was in the landscape
bed for the last couple of years. Now, this one's
out by the sidewalk. I can I can do what
you were talking about. I can actually trim the end
of those vines right to keep it going on.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Once you get yeah, oh yeah, you get a pumpkin
set on their first.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, we got about six pumpkins on it already.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
So well, you're gonna bring in the competition and give
us some competition.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
These are pie pumpkins. Oh they're little. They're a little Now,
I'm not in competition. They're little guys. But I can
trip those off so they don't go onto the sidewalk.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Right exactly, look exactly, keep them trimmed back, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
We even have a contest now, and it's more for
people that don't have much room, such maybe as yourself
or whatever. They call it one hundred and fifty square
foot contest where your plant can only get to be
one hundred and fifty square foot. You got to take
pictures and document it and everything. And last year, guy,
one hundred and fifty square foot plant, I can't.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm growing.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm growing one of them. It's ten by fifteen. I'm
leaving a ten foot wide by fifteen foot long. But
a guy last year had one. I think it was
just shy of fifteen hundred pounds one hundred and fifty
square foot pumpkin plant.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Wow, that's unbelievable. Hey, Jerry Rose, always great talking with you.
I have so many questions. We were always running out
of time. Be again if you want to learn more
about this and get involved. It's a lot of fun.
These giant pumpkin growers are always available to help you out.
I'll answer questions for you. It's amazing. I mean new
people we meet at the way off at Oakland in

(19:43):
Columbus every year that just started doing it, coming in
with three hundred, five hundred, eight hundred pounds pumpkins for Jerry.
If it's just sixteen hundred pounds or less, it's a throwaway,
which just kind of boggles my mind. And by the way,
he does more than that. Last year he came in
eighteenth in the world with a six point seven pounds tomato,
which is unheard of as well. Hey, we'll keep us posted.

(20:04):
We'll get back with you in about a month and
a half. Find out where we stand at that stage,
and keep working till we get to right before the wayoffs.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
All right, Ron, have a good, good day, stay cool,
all right, have.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
A great weekend. Jerry Rose again our giant pumpkin grower.
You can learn more about all this at big Pumpkins
dot com and if you go on there you can
see the charting with all the different weights for the pumpkins,
for the field pumpkins. By the way, there's a difference
in the categories there. He's a major contender in the
field pumpkins, the long gorge. He does all that stuff.

(20:36):
But a six point six pound tomato seven point seven
that's pretty good sized tomato. Anyway, we'll keep posting with
Jerry as we do in the past, find out how
is the pumpkins are coming along? But I cannot believe
what I saw was only two to three weeks old.
That thing is huge already. All right, quick break, we
come back. The doctor's in town, Doctor Alan Apple Armitage. Yeah,

(20:56):
hit me with us here in the garden with Ron Wilson.

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Speaker 1 (23:05):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson, and
as I promised, he is back with us. Can you
believe this? Ladies and gentlemen, this has got to be
a record. He's been on our show so many times.
I cannot believe it. You know who I'm talking about.
He's a professor emeritus of Horticulture, University of Georgia. His
latest books, of course, The Field Guide, especially Cut Flowers,
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(23:27):
his Great Garden Plants. He's getting another award next week. Unbelievable.
Gonna have to bike a bigger house to put all
of his awards. Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only,
Doctor Alan Apple Armitage. Sit down, Sit down. She's all

(23:49):
these Ohio people, they're all standing and applauding. They can't
wait for you when you get into coming to Columbus.
What is that in the week.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yes, that's a big horticulture show called Cultivator is in
Columbus and gosh, yeah that's next weekend. So yeah, I'll be,
I'll be, I'll be close to your to your home. Well,
we'll no, I'll look forward to seeing anybody who's out there.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
The population of Ohio will increase knowing that doctor Allan
Armonies will be in Columbus, Ohio. By the way, it
was interesting to learn that you'd rather visit garden centers
than grocery shop.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Well that's a given, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean, I mean, not only did they look better,
they they don't make it fat.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Here I love that. Here I am watching an interview
with doctor Allan Armonies and he says, you know what,
I just really encourage growers to visit garden centers to
learn more. But I'd rather, you know, I'd visit. I'd
rather do that than go to a grocery store. Okay, well,
well that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Is the thing, ain't Rod and many of the listeners
you know just becauesn't be listening to you for so long.
Understand that to get a plant to the local garden center,
there's a whole bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes.
Somebody has to breed, if somebody has to grow, if
somebody has to you know, do all those things. And
as a grower, and we you know, you and I

(25:11):
have been in many many greenhouses. It's so lovely when
your greenhouse is empty. You know, that means all your
product has been sold and people like it. But most times,
I said, most times, you know, the person who has
done the growing and all not really actually sure what
that thing looks like when it's in somebody's gardens or
the garden set.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's not as My.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Point wasn't the should do anything more than they're doing.
My point is, you know, these plants that we grow
from a seed or from a cutting or from whatever. Gosh,
they're just so spectacular once they get in the garden,
and it's nice to sort of, you know, look and
see what you've been doing and how well you've been
doing it.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, and it's you're right, I mean, and the communication
there between growers and garden centers and the people to
buy the plants and plant them in their own gardens
is a very important chain there to stay in touch with.
So and of course they're the beginning of the whole thing.
So now I thought it was well to and I
just well, I just thought, you know, I figured you'd
be the kind of guy I wanted to go to
the grocery store and do some grocery shopping, like, yeah,

(26:08):
there you go. Do you like to talk to people
with people at Costco?

Speaker 5 (26:10):
So I mean, there, you you know, oh gosh, oh god,
Now what I am expecting in your next interview is
to grab that acoustic guitar that's behind you and sing
a few songs while you're doing the interview.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'll write a song about this great industry and the
great gardeners and and people we meet. You know, it'll
be calling I can't believe who I see. Well, we'll
just have fun. But anyway, I I pitdle around with
a guitar string every now and then and sounds pretty awful.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Susan closes the door, but we have fun.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I don't blame her. I was watching a TV show
last night and I thought of you, because I think
we're going to come up with this show for you.
It was the guy's name is Anthony something. He's a
water garden installer, dust pools and from England, er somewhere,
but anyway, he's got a hat similar to yours. I
hate to say it, and he's a really particular but

(27:07):
he creates these huge, all natural pools and ponds. And
I said, you know what, that's all we need to
do with doctor Armitage. Get you know, get him a
show that where you come in you know how you
do that, and you go into somebody's backyard and turn
it into a perennial garden.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
There we go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
And then you know, we'll put a little bit more
g in it.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, why not? And you have your crew come in
and you know you'd be real picky about everything, and
you know, and then have them do stuff, and then
you only got two days to get it done.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
And what do you think We'll bring the trucks in
and all of a sudden it'll be just a five
in this garden and people won't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
And what we started I good idea. I kept watch
I saying we're gonna do this with doctor Armitage. I
think it'd be outstanding. By the way, before you had
you on, we had a friend of mine who was
a giant pumpkin grower on talking about his giant pumpkins.
That might be something else you might want to try
in your perennial garden this year.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Well, I'm having enough trouble with tomatoes. I don't know
if I could do pumpkins. Tomatoes are ripe, and we're
having great tomato sandwiches. So life is definitely good in
the fascinating Well that's good.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now see here we're about three weeks behind, so we
are just now starting to find some riping tomatoes in
the garden.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well, I don't know how you're so far behind. If
you're ninety two degrees today, that's let's.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Car it's catching up. It's catching up. I'll tell you
talk with doctor Allan Armitage, and of course his website
is Alan Armandy's dot net. Check out all his great books,
and of course that garden app you can't live without it.
And you'll have doctor Armitage right there in your back pocket.
So any questions come up, you got it. By the way,
I was impressed when you said coming up a storm,
mister southern man. Coming up with some of those Southern expressions.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
They just they just sort of they just catch you
by surprise, don't so.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
This guy, this guy just throws me off every time.
So all right, I got some serious questions for you,
and then after the break we'll come back and talk
a little bit about debate and what we're going to
see this year. But I got a couple things for you.
First of all, I'm finishing up our landscape plantings that
after the show today, I'm installing three more American gold
rush Rebecca I love that plant.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
That is a five of this plant, and I would
recommend it to anybody who well wants something that blooms
in the summer. It's bright, it works well, it's disease resistant,
it's an American native, that's a native r but it's
American roots and all I agree with you one hundred
percent and a great a great addition.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Great show, and low maintenance. And you're right. The least
spot I don't see that on there, and I mean
it's a I think it was a twenty twenty three
Perennial of the year.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
If I'm not, I think you're correct. I think you're correct,
and that means that everybody has it.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So that's a good thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. But I have just absolutely loved
that plant and a container are in the ground and
then we're pretty well finished out. But the other ones
I want to throw at you is this time of
the year, I start to hear from folks I want
to hit two different types of perennials. One is this
still being. The other one is coral bells. I hear
from folks who it still be right now all of
a sudden, starting to get the crispy leaves, I'm not

(30:07):
doing so well. I love a stillby, but I've always
that's always seemed to be a major issue to me
if they're not maintained. Where do you come from when
it comes to a still belly.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Oh no, I can still be on a scale of
one to ten for me. And again, anybody has ninety three.
Temperatures for me is maybe a three. And I say
that because it's fabulous in the spring. I mean it's
certainly cold, hardy, and it's wonderful in the spring, and
if you have sufficient rains, it loves moisture, it loves
cool and if you have dry heat and it's done
so good. And at this time of year they're getting crispy.

(30:41):
I don't even recommend them at all down here, and
worse further south than you are. But even when you are,
I think they're a bit ifsy. They're going to look
good for if you can just say hey, they look
good for.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
A while and then they go away.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
But if they get real crispy in the summer, they're
not going to come back next spring. So you just
have to maintain the moisture all the time and then
hide them in some annuals as they get crispy.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, and it's it's just and I was just curious
with you because I just I'm the same way. I
don't recommend them. I just don't know. And we still
grow a lot, we still sell a lot. Some folks
have success with them. If you don't keep the moisture
to them, they're not gonna They're just not gonna do it.
But it's a great flower, great foliage.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's a great plan and there's a lot of cultivars
and all. And I think it all came, you know,
how well they do in Europe and in England, and
we go visit and we see them, and they do
well on the West coast, and they do well, you know,
quite a bit further north. But you know, they're not
all plants work in all places. That's just the way
it is.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's a great point. Talking with doctor Allan Armadage his website,
Alan Armidy's dot net, we come back, we'll talk about
coral bells, kind of the same questions there, and then
we'll talk about cultivate that's coming up in Columbus, Ohio
in about another week. You can actually go there and
meet doctor Allan armity. It's just all happening here in
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Speaker 1 (34:04):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, special
guest this morning. The doctor is where us doctor Allen
Apple arm andage his website Alan armineach dot net. And
we're talking about some perennials here. We talk about it Stillby,
which is one of those ones you just love to
be able to grow, but boy just don't seem to
do all that well in our area. And the other
one I want to throw at you today in general

(34:25):
would be coral bells. How do you feel about coral bells?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Well, you know, coral bells exploded kind of like hostas
home flowers, and they exploded everywhere. There's lots of different
colors of foliage, and so they're out there. I like
them very much. Again, they're a little bit finicky if
it gets real dry or real hot. But in general,
you know, if I that scale of one to ten,
thing for me either about a six or is maybe

(34:52):
a seven. But the key for me and perhaps for you,
or what I recommend people to do, particularly in the
winter in the fall is to is to kind of
put soil around the crown of the coral bells, and
they then can root into that soil, and that just
makes them stronger, because after a few years they tend
to get a little I don't know what I call

(35:14):
skinny necks, and they kind of flip and flop around
a little bit. But for me, if I get five years.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Out of them, unhappiest.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Heck, yeah, well, I wrote, they're certainly not a long
lasting frangle for at least for me.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, And I wrote that in my notes here. You know,
would you consider them a short lived perennial night three
to five years? I think you're probably right. I never
forget the first time I really grew a patch of
coral bells, and I've did them with multiple colors, so
it looks like I quilt work pattern. After the second year,
I went in there to kind of rake a little
bit in the springtime to kind of clean out around them.
Of course, I pulled half of them out of the ground,

(35:48):
you know. And I guess that's a good point about
putting the soil around there to get them to root
in them a little bit deeper.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
What about Yeah, they're not deeply rooted.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
And the other thing too, Ron, is that cross between
yukara or coral bells and this foamy bells called tiarella
is called you corella.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Wait a minute, that's my next one. That's my next question.
You're reading my notes too, you have notes. I actually
had notes here today.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well my next question. Well, first of all, one is
you'll find them labeled. And I think this gets very confusing.
You go to any book anyway, they're labeled sun to
part shade.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Oh god, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
And I really don't look at them as a sun plant,
I mean as a full south But yet but yet
we all labeled them as sun to part son.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah. Well, for what it's worse. And not that I'm
going to let the cat of the bag here, but
you and I are going to talk about this later on.
I have a new book coming out in the fall,
and it's called The Common Sense Gardener, And it's common
sense O here, you know, what the heck does even
sun or shade even mean? But but but we'll go
there at another time. So I want to answer those

(37:00):
questions when the time comes. What the fact is all
the coral bells and the folly bells and all those things.
They are not full sun plants, right, They absolutely do
not do. They do not do well with afternoon sun.
You know, essentially, that's what sun and shade simply mean.
Keep them in or keep them out of afternoon sun.
The morning sun is.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Not an issue.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
So yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. It
should not be labeled sun or it should be labeled
them out of afternoon sun.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
But they'll never get that in a little.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, you know, I look at many of the hydrange,
it's the same way. I mean, you know, they'll take sun,
but on the same token, if my my recommendation morning
sun shade in the heat of the day for all
of them, and they'll do so much better for you
in a situation like that.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
So especially with the mop head types, you know, your
grandmother's types of blues and the pinks, they absolutely do.
I mean, they do not tolerate afternoon sun terriby well,
unless they're you know, very mature. The mature plants once
they get you know, five ten years on them, they
probably tolerate anything. But boy, to get them established, keep
them out of the afternoon sun.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
If you can all right. So now let's go back
to my other question I had about here, what about
the book the when they when the tiarellas, and then
of course you've got the hookarellas, and you know, do
those seem to be a little tougher than the hookaoes.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
In my in my experience.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Uh Tiarella, which is again our foam flower. Uh, you
know again another lovely native plant native to the east
to the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Those are pretty good. Now, they're gonna look pretty rough
in the summertime, they kind of go dormant on you.
They just kind of disappear, but they did come back
every year. Again absolutely need afternoon shade. Uh. But but
these are shay tolerant plants and they're woodland plants, and
that's what you get. I think they're pretty tough. And
I think injecting that gene pool into the coral bells

(38:53):
to make this thing we call foamy bells, which is yukrella,
I think just makes them tougher.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
So there you go. I'm for right. Well, I mean,
that's that's exactly what I was looking for. And again
I think it's you know, it's one of those things
where I can't wait to see this book that the
common Sense Gardening because again, you know, I look at
some of the signees sometimes and I help with ours too,
and that's one of the things I've been looking to change.
And unfortunately we would be the only ones that say that.

(39:20):
But that's the way it goes, because it's common sense right.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well, it is God and and so this book is
gonna be very small. It's gonna be less than under page,
is guaranteed, because common sense doesn't need a whole lot
of words. But turns up there's not a whole lot
of common sense out there when it comes to confusion
in the garden. But anyway, it's it's it's we'll see
how it goes. But I'll send you an advanced coffee

(39:45):
when I when I get this thing done.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
All right, sounds good now, so you'll enjoy it as
I have all of your books. As a matter of fact,
if you if you don't have any of doctor Army's
book you can go to his website learn all about
all of them at Alan Armonis dot net. And I
do suggest getting one of the first ones, and it
may have been the first one you wrote. It it's
all about the hat because you you learn more of
where he's coming from. And every time you listen to

(40:08):
him on our show, you'll understand him a lot more
by reading that book.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, well that was that was.

Speaker 9 (40:16):
That was.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
That book is interesting if you you know again, it's
it's a storybogue how I got here from there? But uh,
you know, it was fun to write, and people seem
to enjoy it, so thank you.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
It was. It was good.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I shall keep waiting for part two of the Naked
Ladies and forget me nots.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
You know, I keep kidding these notes from people. And
then of course my grandmother's grandmother's name is on this thing.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then of course it's all about it's all about apples.
I've been waiting for that one forever since we first
started talking.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Now that they take a while, I keep I keep
eating the data, so that may take a while.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
You know, you don't have any apple trees in your garden?

Speaker 4 (40:55):
No, no, no, no, well you know better, yeah, I
know better. I go to the farmers market and we'll
go get apples there. But tomato is another cool thing, huh.
I mean, if we actually hear how much a tomato
costs us from our garden, we never grow it. But
We just do it for the pleasure.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's fun. By the way, is that bacon I smell
on that blackstone cooking already?

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I'll tell you what, don't even go there. Yeah, I'm
obsessed with this thing.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Good. I think everybody my brother's now got a blackstone.
They're all doing their all the it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, it's just this just fun, you know, because you
can do something quick and there's no smell and no bother.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
There you go. Doctor Allen Armidy's is with us this
morning again. Alan armonies dot Net is the website. So
you're going to be in Cultivate, which is a huge
trade show. We go every year. We earned so much.
It's funny how they started as the Ohio Florists Association
and all came together. Always been very strong with the classes.
They've always done such a great job with that and
have stuck with that. And of course the trade show

(41:55):
is phenomenal. You see a lot of new plants, et cetera,
et cetera. But you will be up there on Friday
to receive another award. Where you're gonna put these I
have no idea but from the garden calm on Friday night,
which congratulations on that.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Thank you, Thank you the garden communications people. It's an
award that says I write so that gardeners can understand
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Here you go, I guess there you go.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
You and I are talking like that, right, So anyway,
it's lovely and I normally it's great, and I normally
only go to the Columbus for like one day, But
just because of this, I'm going up a little earlier.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'm actually taking my wife with me, so it'll be good.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I saw that. So he's gonna be hanging around Columbus
over the weekend and on he's gonna be I'm gonna
let the cat out of the bag. He's gonna be
walking the show on Monday. So if you're looking for him,
just stand up a little bit higher so you can
see through the crowd. Look for the one guy with
a strange hat and about one hundred people around him
as they moved like a little cloud through the the aisles,

(43:00):
looking at all the different plants. That will be doctor
Allen Apple Armitage right in the middle of that group.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
No believe a word of it, ladies and gentlemen. I'll
be there with my hat on. But plaise who come
sail all if you happen to be there.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Does missus Armitage enjoy Does she go to many of these?
Does she enjoy doing this too?

Speaker 4 (43:18):
No, she has a whole lot more common sense than
most of us. No, she's only coming because I'm done
going a little bit longer. But she this pretty boring
stuff quite truthfully. Unless you're into this stuff anyway, s
we'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I love it to you, Doctor Allan Armage again. His
website is Alanarmedis dot net. Always a pleasure. We'll see
you in Columbus, sir, okay, right, stay.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
In touch and I can't wait to talk to you again.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
All right, take care, Doctor Allen Apple Armitage again, Alan
Armedies dot net. His garden app's absolutely wonderfully updates it
on a regular basis. I think it's four ninety nine
to download it. But you will love it and you'll
have doctor Allan Armitage in your back pocket. Can't ask
for more than that quick break. We come back. We'll
have more guarding tips for you, of course, Gary Solomon
with a little home improvement and then Buggy Joe Boggs

(44:03):
here in the garden with Ron Wilson.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Green time or not Ron can help. At one eight
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