Ron Wilson 8/23/2025 Hour 3

Your calls, Gary Sullivan and Buggy Joe too!!!!!!!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Our twelve three number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy talking about yarding website, Ron Wilson Online
dot com, Facebook page, In the Garden with Ron Wilson
on the website Planet of the Week. Sweet Autumn clematis
one of my favorite viners. Does a great job. Very aggressive.
I would tell you that upfront, very aggressive. Put it

(00:56):
someplace that you can let this thing grow. I know
a lot of folks that'll put it on like a
trellis or a fence or something like that. They'll cut
it back almost to the ground every year and let
it regrow. It can grow fifteen twenty feet in one
season with no problem. But if you do it on
a pergla or over a garden swing or something like
that and let it just fill it up, good green
leaves during the growing season. Very nice vine. And right

(01:19):
about now they start the flower. It is a white
star shaped flower of vanilla fragrance. It is absolutely I mean,
you sit there and smell these flowers. It's wonderful. The
look is wonderful. It's all white with a dark green
leaf background. Pollinators love it. And then when it's done flowering,

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those turn into a silver seedheads that look like a
kind of like a spider and it's really cool looking.
But it's called sweet autumn clematis very aggressive vine. Give
it plenty of room. Realize it's gonna grow quite a bit,
so give it something to grow on. I won't take
a small area. You've got to give it room to go.
But that's a really nice plant. Our planet of the

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week as they're just getting ready to start the flower
in our area. Also, Rina's recipe is what to do
with all those tomatoes. She has a great recipe and
is it I'm not sure if it's gallet gallette, but
it's a tomato mozzarella gallette or close to that. Anyway,
you can take a look at it figure out what
that word is, ih butcher stuff like that. But anyway,

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it's kind of like a pizza type of thing. And
how to use up those sliced tomatoes because they should
be coming on pretty strong for you, boy, I tell
you what, I've had so many all over the boards
this year. When it comes to tomatoes. Some folks have
had great success, some folks have had no success whatsoever.
Some lost them with a blossomed minrot does leaf disease.
My mom got into supt leaf spot on the on

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the leaves and never had that happen in container plants
her containers, which was interesting. Had some folks, a lot
of folks that said, you know what, I never got
any flowers, thing growing like weeds, and I have no
flowers or no fruit set. So kind of been all
over the board with tomatoes. But if you've done well
with your tomatoes, you know good for you and in

(03:06):
good and it's a you know, I love tomatoes, and
you know a good recipe for you. Take a look at.
By the way, don't forget. I was telling somebody about
this the other night. My aunt showed me this many
many years ago. We were eating a salad at their
house and she had these little diced up quarter inch
cubes of a limey green something in there was kind

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of it. It was moist, but yet it was kind
of firm. Couldn't figure out what it was. And it
was a green tomato that it started to go through
the ripening phase, but it was just that lighter green
and then they start to turn the color that they
are going to be. She takes those and dices them
up and puts them in a salad. Absolutely wonderful. It's

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a great addition. Of course, fried green tomatoes are too,
but that's a great thing to put in your salad.
Give it, give it a try. More tips to share
with you, but right now is go to Newport and
talk to Mary. Mary, good morning, Good.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Morning, Ron. I'll tell you what I do.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Have a question.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I did grow some of those shishido peppers, yes,
that you talked about, and they are delicious. But they're
so tiny.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
They're small, but they are. That's why you have to
you when you do a bowl of them, you do
a bowl of them. You know, you got to do
ten or twelve when you when you cook them, because
once you start eating them, you can't stop.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
But well, that's true. I just cooked up about I
don't know, maybe I had maybe fifteen sixteen of them. Yeah,
kicked them all and they were just great. But okay,
my problem is I have mulberry weed. Did you know
about that?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Mulberries weed? Okay it's not the most mulberry tree.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
But no, I got that.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
But that's not a problem. These things they popped up
in my garden about two years ago and they grow
about maybe maybe a slot and a half. They get
these little tiny flowers on there, all the way up
their stems and they look like tiny mulberries. So when

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they ripe and they pop and the seeds go everywhere,
and I mean everywhere, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I heard you.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Guys talking about a flame thrower, which I'd love to use,
but I can't. So you don't know what mulberry weed is.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
A common name of mulberry weed, I don't. I mean
I see mulberries pop up all the time in the gardens. Yeah,
real fleshy, limey, green leaf, you know, and all that stuff.
But mulberry weed I am not familiar with. I'm gonna
have to I'm gonna have to do some investigating on
that one. I don't know. But obviously when it flowers

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and those seeds pop everywhere, that's the problem because.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now you're doing there so.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Many Yeah, you deal with those seeds are coming up,
and that's where you know, you try to get rid
of that thing before it happens. Uh. Does it dive
back to the ground over the.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Winter, Yeah, it's a it's an annual it dives back,
and but it's got a taper. So when it comes up,
if you don't catch it right away at that root
is long and strong, right, and they're hard to pull up,
you end up breaking the top off and then it
comes up double. You know. It just it's just terrible, kind.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Of like when you make it, kind of like when
you make a like a thistle mad when you pull
that up and break the root off, then you get.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Ten Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yah. Well, I'm not familiar. So what I'm gonna do,
Mary is learn more about it, because I want to say,
I mean, obviously, from what you're saying, if it is
an annual uh, and so that means it dies back
over the wintertime, So that means it's coming up from seed.
And I look at that and say, okay, if it's
coming up from seed, would a pre emergent orviside help
us out in the springtime to stop those seeds from growing?

(07:05):
And that's you know, that'd be something to look at.
And of course whatever does pop up, trying to get
it out of there as quickly as possible before it
can flower and set seed, so that we say, if
we can stop it from seeding, we stop the reproduction.
And if we can stop the seeds that are existing
in the in the garden from popping up with a
pre emergent herbicide. We've stopped that as well in over

(07:27):
a couple three year period. I would hope that we
would get these under control by doing that, But I
don't want to say anything else more than that, other
than based on what you're telling me till I know
for sure what I'm talking about with with a mulberry weed,
and I.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Will look it up and find out.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, that would be even better, and and I'll and
that way, we'll tell you for sure, and then we'll
have the right answer for you. Ron Wilson at iHeartMedia
dot com.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay, thank you so much, Ron, have.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
A great day, Hey you tun And I look forward
to the to the picture all right by mulberry weed,
And I see Dan's already looking on it. He's looking
at probably looking up on the internet. But anyway, Yeah,
the man is always on top of it. But we'll
find out for you, because I never want to answer.
But if it's an annual that's obviously not letting it flour,
getting it out of there before then pre emerging nerbicides

(08:16):
get the seeds under control will work. From there, but
I want to learn more about the mulberry wheat as
well before we take a break, and we're gonna have
gary salivon coming up next. A couple of things I
wanted to mention real quick. Oh, fall veggies. You still
have time for planting fall veggies. Most of the cool
season crops that you would have planted in early spring
are still plannable in the fall. Root crops can go

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right now. Cab or radishes, I mean, if you could
find if you could find some some onion sets would
be great. Of the onion bulbs. You can do this
for green onions, not for the ball because obviously it
takes the lengthening of the days to create the balls.
But growing for green onions, turnips, beets can all be
done this time of the year. All the greens pretty
much can be done this time of the year. And

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you can do them in containers. So if you got
containers that you're starting maybe getting tired of right now,
and you can tear all that out, you know, you
can plant the plant root crops in there. Greens in
there harvest right on through the fall season because they
love the cooler temperatures. So you know, keep that in
mind if you want to kind of extend the fresh
edibles in your containers or in your garden for at

(09:18):
least another couple of months with no problem whatsoever. Oh
I know, one last thing I mentioned at the beginning
of the show. We were up in Port Clinton and
we went up to put In Bay and looking we
were walking around, and there's a place there called Perry's Cave.
It's this little cave you take it to where you
go down the ground and go through the cave. Pretty interesting.
Right next to it, they had a butterfly house. But

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going to the pathway to the butterfly house, and this
concrete aisle was about six to eight feet wide going
down to this gift shop and then you went you know,
had little green house behind it. But anyway, they had
on both sides of this a pollinator garden, and the
garden itself the bed was about four feet deep on
both sides, and this was probably about forty feet long,

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all right, and they had a wonderful assortment of pollinator
plants in there, from annuals to perennials to woody shrubs.
And one of the plants has kind of gotten tossed
out of the window. In some states it can recede
and become invasive. It's not a native. And that's butterfly bush.

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And if you think Winny many years ago, if you
ever wanted to attract butterflies in your yard, butterfly bush
was a magnet. Now they don't use it. They use
it for the nectar, only they don't lay eggs on it.
You know, it doesn't do any other good besides the nectar.
But it's a great butterfly attracted and pollinators. And so
what they did in this pollinator garden, and I said this,

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you know, it just shows you this works. They had
three butterfly bush, some of the larger varieties on at
the ends, one in the middle, one at the other end.
All right, so that was a taller plant, and they
were in flour and covered with butterflies. And then right
below those common milkweed, so that as they were taking
the nectar and looking for a place to lay the eggs,

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they went to the common milkweed to lay their eggs,
so the larva can feed on that. And then underneath
that were all types of perennials and annuals that also
supplied them as a food source. So they had this
layered pollinator garden which was absolutely outstanding. Butterflies and other
pollinators all over these things. But there was the use
of butterfly bush all right, just for the neck, just

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for the magnet park to bring them in because it's
up and it's bold. They see it, they smell it.
There it is, and then they took advantage of all
the other great plants that they love, including the milkweed
which was covered with the aphids and milkweed bug and
all kinds of other things as well, but they were
using those to lay their eggs, and then all of

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the other plants down below for sources of nectar. It
was a great job. Again, four feet wide, I don't know,
forty fifty feet wide. They are along on both sides
of the walk. I heard people walking through. They're going,
my gosh, I've never seen so many butterflies in my life.
It just shows you what you can do on the
side of your house or in the back of the yard,
or you know, along the sidewalk or whatever it may be,

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in that small of an area and bring so many in.
And I mean it was buzzing, and that truly was
a dinner and a show for the pollinators and the
and of course the butterflies as well. Eight hundred eight
two three eight two five five. Coming up next, Gary Sullivan.
Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. How is your
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Speaker 1 (15:36):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson again
that totphree number eight hundred eight two three eight two five.
During the break of course, real quick, Gary, Gary's coming
up next. Danny Gleason, our producer, looked it up. The
mulberry weed brought me the information. That's what Danny's all about. Uh, yes,
I haven't seen that forever, but now I know what
it is. I didn't know it was called mulberry weed,

(15:57):
but now I do. It is an annual, non native invasive.
Annual means he comes up from seed. So what we
talked about earlier, don't let it flower, don't let it
go to seed pre emerging herbicides. Keep at it persistence
a couple of years. You should all right, here we go.
It's time for the man, the myth, the legend. He's
the most listened to home improvement show host of the

(16:18):
entire solar system. His website, Gary Sullivan Online dot com.
Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only Gary Seer.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Oh mister Wilson, Hell are you good?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Have you ever a vacation in the Port Clinton area?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Um?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
No, into Putting Bay, Into Putting Bay. I figured a
wild man and the wild wife, like missus Sullivan. You
would you two would have been right now.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's a happening place.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
At home and Putting Bay. Yeah, pretty neat up there.
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm surprised you didn't have wild parties up there with you.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
The program director at THAM in Cleveland, mm hmm, he's
a book captain. He does charters out there and going
fishing and stuff like that. Oh cool, Yeah, Yeah, did
you enjoy it?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I loved it. We had we had a good time.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Heard great things about it. I been to Poor Clinton,
not been to put In Bay, but I hear wonderful
things about it.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yet Kelly's Island out there, and then you've got the peninsula.
What is that? The uh Cataba island out of what?
But it's it's it's really a peninsula. Yeah. And they
have wine reason you go out, and of course all
the great restaurants and the You know, it's just fun
to look at the ocean there, you go, the Northern Ocean.
It's hard to sit there and think that's just a lake.

(17:40):
And it had white caps. The whole time we were there.
They were having warnings about smaller boats in that. Uh huh,
it didn't you know, it was night, it was overcast,
but uh, you know what I thought, Okay, I always
think of you about something always humid there.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Oh well, that makes sense, like all.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
The hotel rooms and stuff all have dehumidifiers in there.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Really, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Lot water up there,
and that lake isn't that deep. That's why you get
all the white caps on it, I.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Think, right, exactly. Well, somebody joked about the fact, you know,
if don't worry if the boat tips over, you can
just stand up and walk back to shore. I mean
a little deeper than that, but uh yeah probably. Yeah.
And then of course the new homes that they're building
on those islands. Oh boy, everything has to be boated
out to there. Oh boy, and you're just thinking, wow,
but boy, there's a lot of construction going on, is

(18:29):
that right, Yeah, a lot of big homes. I liked it.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
It's probably been twenty years ago. Twenty five years ago,
we went to Turk's Caicos and it was at that
point I think there might have been a couple of
nice hotels on that that was it. I understand now
they're building everything, but they import everything to that island,
including soil.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow. I just can't imagine that. So if you if you.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Want a landscape, if you build a house and you
want a landscape, you got to bring in the soil. Yeah,
that's what I said. So it's a pretty cheap place
to live, I guess.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
So it's all on rocks then, right, just very sand
and very sandy sand soil, no rocks though I don't
remember it being rock. You don't have any basements, no, no,
I know.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
We went snorkeling right off the beach and saw small octopus.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Great, so it was.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, but anyway, in that amazing when think about construction costs,
in thinking about importing soil.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
No, loaded onto it, off the boat, put it in.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Now, I would imagine those houses in the winter time
when that lake freezes. Is probably a little chili out.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
There, you know, they said it is, but it's not
all that bad.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah, that's what they say.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
It's not hot, that's true.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
It's that dry heat.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's hot when you turn turn the oven onto a
hundred and.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Just not a lover of really hot weather any I'm
not a cold with it. I wan n't perfect for Ron.
That's not asking too much, is.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, it's not. Just keep traveling around.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, about sixty eight degrees is perfect for me.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I'm with you. Keep in the sixties, maybe even the
upper fifties.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
I'm right there, and I'm in a pair of jeans
and I'm totally in.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I'm I'm in all the time. Hey, what are
you gonna talk about today? How about home improvement?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Wow, that's gonna be a great one.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
We're gonna work outside.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
We got some good weather, so we are going to
concentrate on the outside of the house today.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
So we're gonna talk about a home improvement with Gary Salivan.
Coming up next, Thank you, sir. All right, all right?
Speaking of coming up next, the one of the only
buggy Joe Boggs. Yeah, he's coming up here in the
garden with Ron Wilson, Green.

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Speaker 1 (20:54):
They say it's in the garden with Ron Wilson.

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Speaker 1 (23:05):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with ron Wilson. Don't forget.
Our website is Ron Wilson online dot com Facebook page
in the Garden with Ron Wilson as well. It is
time for as you requested, the Buggy Joe Boggs report.
Mister Joe Boggs. He is an assistant professor Commercial Order
Choose cutter for the Oldhouse Take University Extension, OH. It
is the Department of Entomology website b E Y G
L dot O s U dot E d U. Ladies

(23:27):
and gentlemen. Here he is Buggy Joe Boggs.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Hello Joe, Hello Ron, How you doing this morning?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
If I was in the better i'd be. I got
a couple things for you. First of all, did you
get my picture that I text you? No, I did
not see watch anything. I send you a picture from
Putting Bay at a.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Uh why don't they?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, I don't know, and probably because I wasn't getting
Wi Fi or something there. But anyway, I took a
picture of a milkweed that had had them all on there.
There was the oleander aphid, I mean, and they were
all over this thing. And then there was there were
lady bugs and their lady bug larvae looked like a

(24:20):
little alligators. Yeah, and I got it in the same shot.
And then there was a milkweed bug that was right
underneath the you can see him barely off the side
of the leaf. And then there was a little wasp
of some type up in the left hand corner. I mean,
I had all these in one picture, and I said,

(24:42):
Joe's going to be proud of me on this shot better?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh Man, does not get any better than that. And
I'll tell you though, I want to go back to
something though that. So you were up in Putting Bay vacationing, right, Yes,
And a few weeks ago I was my wife and
I decided that our vacation area was to be up
in the Toledo area. Now we didn't go out on
the islands, but we spent a lot of time, you know,

(25:06):
right along the lake just taking in all the wildlife
areas and all that. So that was our vacation. And
then what what are we here? So Gary goes to
the Turks and Caicos something.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, you know, we're Ohio and Toledo and Gary.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't know what that says about. I'm sorry, I'm
kind of hoping some of the listeners, Well, wait a minute,
there must be a sliding a sliding scale here of
some sort.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, Gary, No, I've been there before either.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
So I do have a question of what do we
do with all of these tomatoes?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
You have a lot of tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, I'm just I'm seeking I'm seeking help. And then
I found that there is a great there's I mean,
I should have known I should If you need to
ask what to do with tomatoes, Rita is your person, right,
just go and there's this great recipe that I'm going
to try out. But in gathering all of my tomatoes,

(26:17):
what did I what did we talk about last week?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
How?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
How way? What's amazing? And even my wife, you know,
went out there because it was pretty incredible. RN again,
tobacco hornworm, tomato hornworm, and frankly in our neck of
the woods is mostly tobacco hornworm. I I have some
pictures and this posted on the Big O Alert website

(26:43):
showing tomato horn worm. You can see the difference. But
of course, the reason that they go after both tobacco
and tomato is because they're in the same family and
and they you know, really can't tell the difference. And
they'll also go after eggplant as I have a picture
discovering ten are single potted egg plant, but it has

(27:04):
produced far more egg plant that I ever thought you
could get off one egg plant. We were thrilled, but
tobacco hornworm just challenge down. And then of course you
get the and I kind of have a bugaboo about
this thing, about this you get oh excuse me, occasionally

(27:24):
cocoons sprouting out of these caterpillars and not eggs. You know, Ron,
you and I've talked about that before. These white cocoons
are a wasp cocoon. And if folks go to the
again the big website I posted just yesterday evening, I
was working on a little bit yesterday and it's called

(27:46):
Alien Earth a wasps tail, and it's the story behind
what's happening with those cocoons. I just find one of
the most fascinating things in nature. And I purposely use
the word alien because quite frankly, there's a lot of
similarities between that and if anybody you know, if you
saw the movie Alien and all the other permutations, you

(28:11):
know the original Sigourney Weaver, and remember there was this
thing that popped out of a guy's chest right right,
That's exactly what's happening here. And you know, again, if
you go online, I don't know how many times, and
I just I saw it even yesterday, and you know,
people calling these eggs, and that's the opposite end of
the spectrum of development, right, I mean, you know, you

(28:34):
get the eggs first, then you get the larvae, then
you get pupy and finally adults. So when you do
see those cocoons, what's really remarkable is that little wasp.
And it doesn't have a common name other than sometimes
people call it the horn worm wasp because the same
thing will happen to Catapa hornworms and it's the same

(28:58):
it's exactly the same species of parisonitoid wasp. So what's
happening is those larvae of the wasp, they've done huge
amount of damage. They've killed their host and now they've
chewed through the surface and they've popped out and they've
woven this really nice cocoon in which they pewpate. But

(29:21):
what comes out of those pupil chambers or pupil you know,
the cocoons are all females. The species has no males.
It's called parthenogenesis, and that means then if you have
fifty cocoons on a catapa hornworm tobacco hornworm. To mate

(29:42):
a hornworm, that female will go off and lay eggs.
For those of who have fifty new females going off
to lay eggs, they don't have to mate, and each
caterpillar is selected by a single female wasp. I think
you see where I'm heading with that. You do the
math pretty soon. You just don't have any hornworms.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
So if you leave those alone.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Just leaving them alone, hanging out there.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
And I think the other thing I've discovered too, Joe,
and and maybe you got it from you, But if
I find those and they do have those on their back,
if I leave them alone, that thing doesn't it isn't
feeding anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Well, it very little, very yeah, it kind of slows
down that, you know, Well, here's what's interesting. And again
I'm just kind of I'm giving some of it away
because I'd love for people just to read this description
because it really it sounds like it's out of science

(30:41):
fiction that wasp creates a virus out of its own DNA.
I'm just letting that sink in. Yeah, now, think about that,
out of its own DNA arises a virus and that
does things like it works with some other things that
suppresses the immune system. The virus also and along with

(31:05):
other things, suppresses development and does a lot of things
that affects the way this and in essence, it takes
over the caterpillar if you will, I mean, the caterpillar
is under control of the wasp. It still keeps feeding
because you have to think about this, the wasp barby
have to eat as well. Now, they don't eat everything

(31:26):
inside that walk that caterpillar, because if they did, they'd
all be sunk, right, So the wasp lets the caterpillars
keep eating. And yes, you'll get some damage on that
because you know that's getting nutrients for the wasp. But
you're exactly right. As as soon as the wasp barby

(31:46):
bore through the caterpillar and come out and create those cocoons,
it's finished with its host. And yeah, the host may
kind of linger a little bit, but it will not
be feeding and it's going to die within hours of
when you see the cocoons. But the reason why I
was hesitant is because it's a little bit imperfect. Again,

(32:09):
it doesn't kill the caterpillar right away, so you do
get some damage from the parasitized caterpillars. But in a
long run, I means, for example, we picked off and
you mentioned it last week. Carrie Jagger in Marl County
with Oshi extension marrow Canny. She posted back in June

(32:32):
a really nice big alert with pictures showing that if
you the black light flashlight, these glow, they reflect the
light back and you can easily find them. However, if
you don't have a black light flashlight, they are hard
to find. Darn't they the caterpillars And I picked some off.
My wife went out there and then she chided me about, well,

(32:55):
you're not much of an entomologist, or we need to
get your new glasses, and she brought it in. Yeah,
she found four or five more. Now this is just
three tomato plants. But within the time that she found
them and we had them in a container so I
can take pictures, three of those four sprouted cocoons. Really,

(33:17):
so you know, yeah, oh yeah, so it was amazing.
Just you know, we're getting some damage. But as you know,
tomatoes produce a lot of leaves. I mean, it's it's
really kind of hard. You have to have a fairly
high population of these to do serious harm. But it
can happen. I mean, I've seen it. You've seen it,
you know, but if you keep ahead of it, you know.

(33:42):
And it taught me another lesson. Okay, so those that
we plucked off, we didn't kill. We didn't do the
caterpillar dance, you know, where you step on them. We
put them in a container. And why that was important
is that they said three of the four caterpillars that
she picked off sprouted cocoons. Well, I going to do
with those after taking pictures is I'm going to put

(34:03):
those parasitized caterpillars back on the plants they're now dead. Actually,
they're gonna put the carcasses because there'll be a huge
number of wasps that will come out to look for
other caterpillars. And it's just it was so interesting. I
said this to my wife that you and I doomed

(34:24):
everybody last week. We said, you know, we're really not
seeing doesn't.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Always happen, though, Joe, you know, I haven't seen many bagwards.
The next week you see a thousand, thousand reports. Joe,
I haven't seen this next wing a thousand reports.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
We need to just write that down and do that.
So then the following week.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
We know what we're going to talk about next week.
Right quickly, quick break, we come back. I've got a
hypothetical I guess it would be a hypothetical question for
Joe Boggs about something he just said. Okay, here in
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Speaker 1 (37:01):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of the Buggy. Joe Boggs Joe Boggs
O s U Extension b y g L Dot O
s U dot Edu. So Joseph, Yes, sir, you mentioned earlier.
You mentioned earlier about when these hatch out, when they
pupate into adults. They are all females and they and

(37:24):
they go and lay eggs h somewhere down the road. Joe.
Did there have to be a male somewhere?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, it's uh, presumably they just got all caught up
in you know, football and sports and and then the
evolutionary you know, evolution took a weird turn. I'm sorry,
I couldn't help myself.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
On that one. That does start next week, By the.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Way, it does start, That's exactly why I said that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Well, yeah, presumably, of course this is a deep question.
This is one of those things that well it you know,
there's it's kind of chicken in the eggs sort of thing.
But yes, presumably there were at one time.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
But you know, one male. There was one male and
he was yeah, and then that was just you know, yeah,
that's all the needed.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
So it's a it is kind of a fascinating story
because a lot of hymenopterra you know, don't have I mean,
this is there's more than just this species. There's quite
a few where we see this and actually some other
intersects as well, black vine weavil for example. I mean,
that's a beetle that has its mouth parts at the

(38:50):
end of his snout. That's why we call them weavels. Uh,
it's partnogenetics. So there are quite a few insects out there,
and presumably, as you said, you know there were there
were males at one time. And what was really interesting
when I did my master's thesis work on black vine
and weavil, and and every so often we would hear this,

(39:10):
you know, like I call it like a scientific rumor
that well, you know there's this population somewhere in Europe,
you know, that has males and it was never you know,
it was never discovered, it was I don't know where
these stories would come from. But you see what I'm saying.
When when people are working with an insect that doesn't

(39:31):
have males, there's there's always a possibility, you know, perhaps
there are you know, some parts I'm trying to say
this that wouldn't be the same species obviously because the
reproduction would be different, but there may be you know,
some very closely related let's just say that, uh ind

(39:51):
of it, or populations of different species that do have males.
But how this comes about though never been quite teased
out because it happened so long ago. But the real
take home is, and I described this in the Big
Old Alert, it saves time. You know. One thing about

(40:11):
insects that that I've always found fascinating is you know,
they benefit that they benefit from doing things that keep
them from being attacked by other insects. And so this
is a this is this is a parasitoid wasp. You say, well,
you know it's it's it's kind of dictating terms, right

(40:33):
because it's a parasitoid, which is like a predator inside
its host. Again, that's why I kept referring to, you know,
to the movie Alien. I think that's like a human parasitoid.
But any rate, there actually are enemies of this wasp.
I mean, everything eats something. But the less time spent exposed,

(40:54):
you know, to enemies, the better off the insect is.
So if you had a female that emerge from these
cocoons and males that emerge, they have to take time
to find each other, go on dates. You know, she
has the feign interest in stories and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
the da that's all that stuff, the wedding, and they

(41:18):
don't have to do that, so they're not out there
exposed to predation themselves, and that has been very successful.
And me think about it, well, that does make good
sense because after all, the main goal with any organism
quite honestly, is to reproduce, to keep the species going,
and in this case, they've just skipped ahead, you know,

(41:40):
they skipped the whole time period, and so it does
make some sense. Now one of the other insects that
we promised we had talked about last week. But that's
really funny. People need to write that down because they'll
never hear of it again.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Right when we say that exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Mignolia scale. Now very body, it's a native insect and
they do something that's kind of odd. There are males
and females of Magnolia scale. However, there are some scale
insects where you just have females as well, so again
this is like a recurring theme. But with Magnolia scale,

(42:17):
there are males. They mate in very early spring, and
then those females, you know, just stick their mouth parts
into flowing vessels and start sucking out the sap, and
they suck out so much they have to get rid
of the excess in the form of honeydew. And we've
talked about that before with Aphan's and other soft scales,
and this is a soft scale because you can mash it.

(42:38):
But the take home though with Magnolia scale that I
find to be be pretty fascinating is that the females
actually hold on to the eggs, and the eggs hatch
beneath the females, and it gives the appearance that they
are giving birth to live young because what you and
I see coming out from under the females are the

(43:00):
first instar namps, the immature scale that we call crawlers,
because they're crawling out from Honey, So that's kind of
an interesting thing too. Yeah, other scales will do some
of the same things, but this is a time of
year to keep paying attention because those crawlers are out
and about and it's not a bad idea to target them.

(43:21):
Systemics work the best. And we can even talk more
about that.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
And we've got it poach. We've got Joe's post on
our website at Ron Wilson online dot com, so you
can check it out there as well. We'll probably talk
more about it in the future. By the way, Joe,
this week, think about this. You know I'm gonna I'm
working my way to retirement. You will eventually somewhere down
the road. Maybe we go together. And besides mathrakof Coffee,
we do black Soldier fly production. I think about raising

(43:50):
black Soldier flies. We'll talk about that next week. Joe
Boks always a pleasure, all right, take care, Thanks all
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