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Speaker 1 (00:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about
yarning on this Labor Day weekend. You know, in the
first hour they're talking talking with the young lady from
Delaware talking about possibly adding some flowering plants to her
lawn or to that septic mound, which is a possibility. Well,
guess what have you ever considered doing that? Maybe part
(01:02):
of the backyard or sideyard, or maybe the whole yard
you want to turn it into a flowering lawn. Well,
that is possible. As a matter of fact. The man
to tell us all about how to do that. The
website is flowering lawn dot com. It's called flawn and
he is with us this morning. Anthony need Anthony, good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, good morning, Ron, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hey, our pleasure. Since that time of the year, right,
we're looking at the fall season and you know, folks
thinking about maybe doing something like this, this is a
good time to take that on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Absolutely, now is the best time of the year to seed.
We're getting out of those those hot temperatures, those possibilities
of a drought, and we're looking at more frequent rains
and we still have warm soils, which is great. That
helps the seeds get grown quick and put down good
roots before winter.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, So tell me for folks who have not
heard you on our show in the past, are not
familiar with flawn seed, Basically, it's it's a process of
adding flowering plants to your existing lawn.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, these aren't your like prairie plants that are
growing like waste high, chest high. These these are very
low growing, moable, walkable. We're talking, you know, two to
four inches. Some of our varieties do get a little
bit taller six to eight inches. But we're looking to
reduce mowing, reduced use of fertilizers and hazardous pesticide. So
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we're looking to create a safe environment for our pets
and our kids, but also really to help save our
pollinators which are in severe decline. So if you're able to,
you know, get pied, the possibility of you know, having
a bee buzz around a little bit and you know,
they're they're docile creatures, they're not out to harm you.
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They're not predatory insects. They are they're very friendly insects
and they're looking to go through and forage your lawn,
and why not create some habitat for them and help
out on your wallet too. You're going to be saving
up to seventeen hundred dollars a year by not mowing
as much, not having to hire a contractor to fertilize,
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or you're not going to be irrigating as much either,
So it really is a win win.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Now, as we start to look at these and of
course we'll talk about some of the different mixes that
are available for folks to use. This could be done
at any level. I mean, you know, when you and
I have talked in the past, you know you don't
have to do your entire lawn if you don't want
to do that. If you want the front lawn to
be like a normal lawn like everybody else is in
the neighborhood or whatever it may be, leave it alone.
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But to do just a side yard or a part
of the yard or the backyard or whatever that easily
can be done without doing the entire lawn.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, it makes total sense because your lawn most likely
isn't the same everywhere anyways. I mean, sometimes people only
have popsail brought into their front yard and then their
backyard is more sandy, you have a big shade tree
in part of their yard, usually in between your houses.
If you live in the neighborhood, you have more shade
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there and it might stay more wet more of the time.
So we have varieties that work well in all of
those conditions, and that's why we like to kind of
just rely on diversity. And when you have a mix,
we have like our b lawn mixes that usually have
three different varieties that will do well in all areas.
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So just because you plant the same mix throughout your
whole lawn, though it might not look the same in
all those different micro climates that you have. So you
might get some more pink flowers in one area in
the sun, you might get some more purple flowers in
more area of the shade. But then we have the
use of like clovers, and you don't even have to
have the flowers, so don't think that you can't do this.
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And without having flowers. We have products called microflover that
is really really short only green, does not produce the flowers,
and that's a great one that people are doing in
their front yards because they may be concerned about like
mowing hype restrictions or attracting bees to your front yard
where you have other small pets walking by on the sidewalk.
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So micro clover is a great option there.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, and you know again we're talking with Anthony Need.
The website is Flowering lawn dot com. It's called the
Flaw and Seed Kits. You know the thing with the clover.
I mean, you know, when I first started in this
business forty fifty years ago, that was a common practice
was to show Dutch white clover along with your new lawn.
You know that the clover would come up help a
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feed the new lawn and then eventually the lawn would
thicken up. You wouldn't see it quite as much. A
lot of folks just left it there because you know,
they knew that the bees enjoyed it or eventually kind
of faded it out. So it's it's been around a
long time. But this new micro clover seed, I think
that's to me, that is outstanding because you know, you're
you know, like you said, low flowering still kind of does,
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but helps out the lawn. Really getting going to cut
back on your fertilizing. What an easy way to go.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, you nailed it on the head there. I mean
it goes back to right after World War two and
everyone started putting in lawns and I owned an organic
lon care company before I started fawn set kits, and
clover was our natural weed preventer if you think about it.
It has a broad leaf versus and grasses which have
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a narrow blade, so it helps to shade the ground
to cool the ground prevent it from drying out so quickly,
so it holds moisture in. But it also prevents weed
seeds from getting light to grow, so it is like
a natural crab grass prevents in the spring. It helps
to prevent broad leaf weeds like dandelions as well, so
it's a campaigning plant to all of our other low
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growing wild flower variety. So we do use clovers a
lot in mixes. But like you said, it feeds the lawn.
It's a nitrogen fixer, so it really transfers atmospheric nitrogen
into the soil for you, so you do not need
to use any more fertilizers once you have clover equally
dispersed throughout your lawn.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And I'm I'm a big, big pusher on the I
always say pamp or your worms because if your worms
are happy, the plants are going to be happy too,
because it means that the soil is alive and viable
and the plants are going to root in better. And
from what I understand, you know where clover is typically growing,
earthworms absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a symbiotic relationship, you know. Less
disturbance of the soil keeps your soil structure in place better.
We're not releasing carbon into the atmosphere by by doing
too much you know, heavy tilline or a rating or
anything like that. So we're creating more of a natural environment.
And the worms are what's what's helping to aerify your soil.
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They do a great job. The earthworms go straight up
and down vertically and poke holes. That helps the drainage
that nutrient uptake from the plants on side of you.
So lots of great things there between the two.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Talking with Anthony Need, the company is flowering. Their website,
flowering lawn dot Com is called flawn seed Kits now.
These are available in the retail garden centers as well
as on their website. And again go check it out
flowering lawn dot Com. Let's take a quick break, we
come back. We'll find out how do you go about
sewing this in your existing lawn. Why is now a
great time for doing that? And we'll take a look
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at some of the different mixes that are available for
you as well. And you know there's some pros and
maybe a few cons to doing this. We'll bring that
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Speaker 1 (11:13):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. We're
talking flawing seed kids, flowering lawns, and their website is
flowering lawn dot com. Anson you need is with us
this morning telling you how easy it can be for
you to turn your lawn or part of your lawn
or just a particular area of your lawn into a
flowering lawn. Of course helps out the pollinators and it's
very attractive and cuts down on fertilizing and mowing in
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the whole nine yards. So timing wise, just like putting
down grass seed, now is one of the best times
to do this.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we have, you know, gotten past
those hot temperatures. We're ready to get out in the yard.
It's a nice working weekend here. I'm up in Wisconsin,
but I know we're sending a nice weather your way
as well, and you know I'm going to be out
side most of the weekend here. The way to do
this is super simple. I mean, we we sell the
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kits as well as seed by itself, but our kits
are all shaker containers, so you don't need some sort
of specialty spreader or to be an expert of spreading
seed by hand to do this. We have kits that
already have compost and soil builders mixed in with the seeds,
so you simply select the seed mix you want and
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then the process is what kind of a one two
three you want to mow your existing grass on as
short as possible, you know, bag or rake those clippings
off to the side, just lightly rake. We don't need
to like we talked about, We don't need to be
tilling or aer rating. We just want a lightly rake
to disturb that top soil. And then you're just shaking
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these seed kits out. You just walk in uh parallel
lines and then come back perpendicular, get even coverage and
just turn a sprinkler around and that'll settle the seeds
right down into the soil.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And how long once I do that how long Anthony,
until I start to see some new things coming up
in the yard. And how do I know that? I
know that I was talking about the pros and the
cons of this. I think one of the cons is,
how do I know that I'm not getting weeds and
I'm getting what I got in my container?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, We're here to help you, so you
can use the chat buttons that goes directly to me.
We are a small family business, me, my wife, and
my niece, our employees here, so you can always reach
right out to us directly. Send us a picture will
help you identify it. You know, phones now are really
good at identifying plants if you take a picture. But
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we have a resource guide on our website too of
how to take care of a newborn flawn. So you know,
three to five days after seeding, clovers will start to germinate,
so really quickly you'll start seeing the seeds sprout, and
basically at this time of the year. It's another reason
it's so great to do that now is there isn't
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as any natural weed seeds germinating at this time like
there are in the spring, so you have less weed competition.
You can grow exactly what you want to grow without
anything else getting in the way, So we'll help you
out to identify it. So don't start pulling stuff until
you reach out to us or or do a little research.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
New born flawns. I wrote that down. I thought that
was pretty cool. Yeah, so your new born flawn is
so it's going to come up, it's going to continue
to grow. Now. Do most of these go dormant over
the winter?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean we call them perennials in most most
of our varieties are zones three through nine. We do
have a couple other specialty ones if you want to
work in some like mixed English daisy, which are really beautiful.
Those would you would be planting this time of year,
and they'll they'll just bloom right away in the spring
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and die back for the year. Done after that. But
all the other varieties are going to be Yeah, they'll
go dormans in the winter. They'll come right up just
like your grass does. So they're not evergreens. You know,
they're not going to be green through the winter. If
we don't have a snow cover, they will look a
little yellow or brownish, but don't don't worry. They will
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come right back in the spring when the soils warm
up and the rain's return.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And that's where your lawn helps because and that becomes
the basis for the lawn obviously, the grass that's growing
there to help carry you through the winter. And then
there's come right back up and starts all over again.
Talking with Anthony Nead again. The website is Flowering Lawn
dot com. They're called flawn seed kits and there's quite
a selection here. Now let me back up because we
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had a caller in our last half hour and she
had the mounds for the septic system the way they
mound that up and do that in the backyards, and
she was looking for She said, I'd like to put
a type of grass on there, which you know, maybe
I don't have to mow or bow very often, and
what could I put it on there to flower? This
could be an opportunity for something like that. And I
don't know if you've address that with folks before, to
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do something like that with both a combination of the
low mo grass as well as one of your flowering
your flond kits.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, we we have a specialty kit called the Septic
and Slope Kit and.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It yeah, yep, exactly. We've got that and it's on
my septic mound as well, and we have fine fescue
grasses in there. We call it our mow less grass seed.
So it's a it's a blend of it's a specialty
blend of three fine fescues. We do not mix in
tall fescue. We do not have in rye grass or
blue grass, so it's I don't think you'll be able
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to find another tribe blend of fine fescus on the market,
but we we mix in our white yarrow. And what's
really fascinating, so that looms a beautiful white flower, multi
head flower that the bees absolutely love, anything from sweat
bees to bubble bees, so you're helping the pollinators there.
But it has very fine hairy roots that go down
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up to four feet deep. And I know, I know
what you're saying. You know you shouldn't be growing things
that have deep roots on a septic mound. Well, this
is actually the opposite. You do want to grow fine
hairy roots, you know. The prairie grasses are another option.
If you don't ever want to mow your septic mount,
you can look at prairie mixes or metal mixes. But
we have a low growing flawn seed kit called our
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Septic Mound Kit, and that we'll have those fine hairy
roots which actually prevents horizontal blockages and increased percolation so
they can extend the life or your drain field.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Outstanding. You see, you've already got all this stuff covered.
Talking with Anthony need again. The website flowering lawn dot com.
They're called flawn seed kits now, so folks understand these
these kits are being sold in retail garden centers.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean all throughout the Ohio region there
and East coast. We have over four hundred stores now
that are carrying us. Take a look on our website.
We have a store locator if you go down to
the bottom of our our page there.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And of course you can order it online and you're
shipping is right away. I know I did that myself
and you ship right away, so it's a it's quick.
And then of course your website is outstanding, and of
course you're there with your staff to help back people
up answer any questions for you. So if you're interested
in doing something like this, they're called flawnseed kits. Flowering
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Lawn dot com Anthony Need. Always a pleasure having you on.
Got big plans for this Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'll be outside working, so taking in the sun.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Taking in some sun. Hey, always a pleasure, man. I
appreciate the information. Doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hey, thank you so much. RN.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
All right, take care again. It's called flawn seed kits
flowering lawn dot com, Anthony Need, and it's a it's
a cool concept and again there's perfect for the septic mounds.
Look at it. He's already address that. I know that
was pretty interesting, but it's something you might want to
look at. You know, you got a pollinator bed, landscape bed.
Maybe you do the grass up ten twelve, fifteen feet
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away from that in this flowering lawn as well, kind
of tie the two together. I mean, you can do
it that way or do the whole backyard or the
front yard or whatever you want to do. But anyway,
he's got quite a combination here and a lot of folks,
I know, doing more of the micro clover and you
really don't it's there if you don't notice it quite
as much. But that's a great way to go as well.
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I know Teresa Parker does that up in columbus and
it's been doing it for many, many years and absolutely
loves it beekeeper, but absolutely loves it in her turf
type tall fescue lawn. All right, we're gonna take a
quick break. We come back. We're going to talk with
our good friend build the board. Bill's our native plant
expert from Woody Warehouse. It's Woody Warehouse dot Com. We're
gonna it gets so confusing. What is a native plant?
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What is a native var? What is a cultivar? What
is a native species? What is the you know, what
is the wild type of these plants? What are we
talking about? What do we want to plant? Bill's got
our answers for us. Coming up next here in the
garden with Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Native plants,
Native plants. Why are native plants so important? Why are
native plants all of a sudden out there everywhere as
part of the buzz. Why is that happening? Then all
of a sudden you hear the natives. Then you hear cultivars,
then you hear native VARs. Then you hear wild types
or straight species, which are better? Which or not? Which
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should be used? Can I use them all? It gets
your head just starts to spin when you think of
the world of where we are right now, with these
natives trying to get this more and morning to our landscape. Well,
to straighten us all out, to settle down the whirlwind.
To set us straight is our native expert, mister Bill Debord.
The website is Woody Warehouse dot com. Good morning, sir,
(22:48):
Good morning, mister Wilson. I have just one thing to
say to you this morning. Yes, sir, hook em horns,
thank you so much. Guys, got a big you got
a big game ahead of you today.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Well, if we can put a touchdown on the board,
I think we'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Ball State. What a tough start to get off to
in the in the football season.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, you know, we can't all play Texas, so we
gotta pick.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good game.
So we'll see what happens. But yeah, go whatever you want.
That's fine. I'm surprised you're not rooting for the Big
Ten though.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You know, sometimes you gotta poke.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
The bear a little bit. Okay, that's a right. I
don't mind. It gets good. I think it'll be good.
I think it'll be a close game. I'm glad you
brought it up. We appreciate that, mister bordermaker. All right, Uh, Natives,
growing natives, natives, cultivars, native oars, wild types, straight species.
It just gets so confusing right now. And of course
everybody that's on the total native fence is only natives.
(23:50):
And then you got folks out there like doctor Allen
Armidy as you say, who actually came up with a
name native oars. It's okay to use these selections of
natives that are grown by man, and some people are
saying no. And then there's the wild and I hear
wild type and I hear straight species. Set us straight here,
what is the deal?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
So ron really what we're talking about, and I'm going
to keep it broad and simple when we're talking straight
species or wild type, all we're saying is that this
is open pollinated, meaning seed is collected from these plants,
that their origins are more of wild. It's not something
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that was taken from a nursery. This is finding native
plants out there in the landscape in natural areas. When
we're talking about cultivars and there's a couple of different
layers to this onion, really what we're talking about a
lot of times, and it gets a little confusing and
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misleading and people don't understand it. When we're talking about
like a native ar, that's a selection. All that's saying
is that somebody found some characteristic from a wild type
species that said, gee, I like this this. You know,
this plant stays more compact, it has a bigger flower,
it flowers longer, and they selected that plant and then
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reproduce it, you know, clonally asexually to maintain those characteristics.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now when you and so when you say so, folks
are listening clonally basically it's taken from cuttings. Yes, yes, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because the uh, the fortune or unfortunate thing is when
you do something that's open pollinated, you don't know what
you're gonna get. So when you get wild type plants
that are propagated from seed, you're gonna get some that
flower longer, shorter, earlier, later, taller, smaller. You never know
what you're gonna get. And that's kind of some of
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the beauty of it. But if you like to have guarantees,
then you know something that is selected for or and
cloned will give you more consistent results.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, an example of that for folks that may have
been shopping in their garden centers this past week, and
the garden centers of let you know, just doing great
this week. The cooler weather, I mean it was ninety
seven I think this time last year, hot and dry.
Who wanted to do anything beautiful weather so far out
in planting right now? If they went out to their
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local garden center, who happens to sell some native plants
or native selections. I think one of the examples you
brought up, which I think is great button bush versus
sugarshack button bush.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Yeah, And I think sometimes when we get enthusiastic people
that just want native plants, they want to insert a
wild type native plant in every space, and that's not
always appropriate. You know, our wild type button bush gets
eight ten feet tall and wide. That doesn't need to
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go right next to the foundation of your house. And
so when we look to some of these native oars,
they have been selected to stay smaller, compact, longer flowering,
and so when we have space constraints, there is a
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good opportunity to start using some of these these native
bars in that space because they will fit and do
better less maintenance less things that the homeowner has to
do with them.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
All right, we're talking with Bill Debor. The website is
Woody Warehouse dot com. They're a nursery that grows native
plants and great resource. Go to look at their plant
lists on there. Great information for you as well. They
sell to a lot of the garden centers and nurseries
that you may be dealing with. And if your nursery
is having our time or garden center stocking themselves with
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native plants and they say we can't find them, give
them this this website, what do you wear house do
and say have at it because they have a great selection.
But trying to get this thing straight out because it
can be very confusing. Now, one of the other arguments
that folks, you know it comes into this mix then,
is the native plants, the wild type versus the native
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ar cultivar. And if we're talking about pollinators, who has
the most nectar and the most pollen and not the
selections the native of ours may not and some of
them do, and some of them have even higher than
the natives. But isn't that becoming a part of the
argument as well.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and I did you know.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I'm sure what you did prior to this run as
looking up academic journals, just like your casual listener does
for this.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
But the research consensus is we don't know, and it depends.
And so I think if there's the biggest takeaway here,
it is you cannot make bold claims that straight species
are always better or cultivars are always bad, and vice versa.
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And so I think when we're trying to, as a
consumer make these conscientious decisions, we have to look at
some of the ecological benefits. You know, is this plant.
I'll take Echinaesia for example. Ron So if we have
a sterile double or triple flowering Echinasia ornamentally great, beautiful,
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love it, it is a plant portrait. It is not
offering food sources to pollinators, and likewise it's not going
to be producing seed that goldfinches and other birds will love.
And so from the ecological perspective, it's not very powerful.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We look at the.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Straight specie Acinaesia, and it is a huge pollinator magnet.
And then the second you have you know, purple cone flower,
pale cone flower, any of the native species. Then you
produce seed and you'll watch goldfinches, you know, bounce from
plant to plant to plant. So when we're trying to
make this determination, what are we really looking for is
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can these insects you know, if we're talking about caterpillars
because we want butterflies, are they going to feed on
that plant? And so even the research here is conflicted.
Sometimes when you start changing the color from the straight
green to a purple or a red or something, insects
may or may not be able to find that in
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forage on that quite as well as just the straight species.
But with some of the cultivars, they have been bred
to have longer bloom times or larger blooms. And so
when you start looking at pollinator's ability to utilize that,
now you're doing something that's more advantageous because there is
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a longer opening to that buffet for the pollinators to utilize.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's deep.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
You know, I'm caffeinated, so I can go deeper.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
That is deep.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I mean, I am you don't want that? I am?
I am? That is deep stuff. Hey, by the way,
before we take a break, I'm just curious to grow buckeyes.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Well, we don't like to. We don't associate the Ohio
part of that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But yes we do.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
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Speaker 1 (33:09):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson talking natives,
wild type, straight species, cultivars, native ours with our native
plant expert Build a Boor from a Woody Warehouse his
website Woodywarehouse dot com. Be sure and check it out.
And I'm serious. If you have a garden center you
work with or nursery and they say they just can't
get native plants, blah blah blah, no good source, give
them that website and tell them to go check it out,
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because mister de boor has everything they need to have
native plants in their retail location. You know, I think
you mentioned did you mention Monk Cuba Center to me
in one of our conversations.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, and I think for anyone who kind of wants
to look at simple research and kind of find out
how these straight species versus named cultivars are doing from
a pollinator perspective, that is a wonderful resource and website
to go to.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, they've got a great great The charts are phenomenal.
Somebody had asked me a couple of weeks ago. They
were showing it. They're showing a picture of hydrangeis and
somebody and they're beekeepers and wanted to know, if you know,
do the bees come to that particular one. And they said, no,
I really don't see too many bees on this one,
but I do get it on this one. And of
course I went to Mount Cuba Center. Of course they've
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got a whole chart on the hydranges, you know, especially
the arborescence which is the wild hydrangeer for the middle landing.
And you know, it showed the different native of ours
that are ranked just as high as the wild species,
and then it was amazing how many weren't good at
all for the pollinators. So, yeah, they've done an excellent
job and a great source that would be Mount Cubas Center.
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I think it's Mount Cubacenter dot org. If I'm not mistaken,
but be sure and check that out if you're really
interested in finding out, they'd have done an excellent job.
And I'm sure you've visited there many times.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I have frequent their trial garden research findings because it's
always good to stay on top of how certain things
are doing and ranked in terms of ecological benefits. And
that is one of the few sources that's actually looking
at that, so really good source.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, and that's open to the public, and they have
classes and things there and it's a it's a great
place to visit. Put it on your bucket list. It's
the Mount Cuba Center and check it out. And even
recommended by mister Bill Bore from a woody warehouse. So,
you know, for folks that are listening and are saying, okay,
so native plants, I get it, things have been growing here.
How what is the criteria to officially be called a
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native plant for our area?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Well, and that really depends on how strict, uh the
definition you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Ron.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I think my mind tends to be a little more liberal,
just because I'm in sales. A lot of people especially
like USDA, when they're coming they're looking at historical records.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And going out and whether or not.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
They find that plant there or have historical records to say,
you know, that plant was found there at one hundred
you know or so years ago. From my perspective is
I have a broader context where I look at geographical locations,
and so I may say something like, hey, this is
native to the Midwest. That does not mean it's appropriate
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for all of the Midwest. But I look at native
in terms of geographical locations. So something that does well
in middle southern Kentucky is probably not going to do
well in Michigan, although.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It may be the exact same, you.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Know, species that we're talking about. So we always have
to take into account local climates and whether or not
that species will do well. And we see that even
in the native cultivars, if it is a more southern
uh selection, that may not perform as well in colder
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climates and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, talking about Bill de borgetting the website is a
woody warehouse dot org yeah, dot com.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, we're for profits, I got.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Com uh yeah, and uh. Anyway, talk at native plants
and native ours and the wild species and all that
it gets, and it can't get very confusing. So you know,
I think what Bill, as you and I talk and
we we we've talked a lot over the last few
years and talking about this as is coming along as
we look at landscaping and trying to use more native
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plants diversity. It sounds to me and that's what I've
always kind of gone with. Seems to be, you know,
look at the natives if they work for the particular location,
like you were saying, if not, look at the native
ours or the cultivars of those native plants, uh, and
use those. And you know, I also look at it
this way. I look and say, you know, if you
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really want to if you've already got an existing landscape,
don't you know you don't want to tear it all
out start? How about you know, we talk about creating
pollinator gardens, Why can't we do that with our pollinator gardens,
because and create native plant gardens where it's both woody shrubs,
you know, evergreens, perennials and et cetera, et cetera that
are native and make it more of a native garden.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yeah, And I I hear, I see. I listen to
a lot of people that start getting emotional about native plants.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, I hear.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
People that just say, well, this isn't native, so we've
got to rip it out and start and everything has
to be native. I don't think we need to go
to that point. I think, as you were detailing, start somewhere,
and I think you're going to be at awe of
how small changes can have big impacts. You know, we
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just had our annual field day for wholesale customers at
the nursery last week, and we're walking past our herbaceous
section with one gallon herbaceous natas, and we had meadow
Blazing Star, which is a leatrice that gets four or
five almost six feet with the floral spike. And all
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these customers were watching in awe as there was thirty
forty monarchs flying all over this plant. And I would
be surprised if it wasn't twenty five to forty percent
of the people that walked past there walked out with
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metal Blazing Star from you know, our field day. And
so the reason I tell that story is you can
have that sort of impact by a singular plant if
you choose. You don't have to start by saying, hey,
I'm going to do sixty seventy natives makes that one selection,
and watch what happens when you add that to your landscape.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, and I think a great point. And then and
then take it from there, uh, and continue to expand
and work and again perennials, woody shrubs, trees and are
included in that as well, and uh, and see where
it takes you. And I think that's I think that's
the best way to do it. A little diversity and
work it, work it out, and work it as as
it goes along. I guess, you know research on the
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native ours is that you know, are we seeing more
and more of that all the time, more selections of
native of ours coming out there. It seems to me
they are.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yeah, and I I, you know, doing research for this,
I saw more research out there than you know, I
previously had seen. But compared to you know, more traditional
horticulture research, it's still very limited. And so the question remains,
are all of these things okay? And the answer is
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we don't know. Some of them may be less beneficial
than others. But once again, where we start philosophically having
this conversation is we need more native plants.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
In the landscape.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
And so while a named cultivar nine bark may not
be ecologically as beneficial as like a straight species nine bark,
it still holds value and so we don't have to
rank and file and say, well, it's terrible if you're
not just using straight species natives. I think the need
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is there that we need more green spaces, we need
more diversity, and we need to help these you know
organisms and you know out to help rebound from some
of the things we've done. And we can't do that
as long as we're not focused on the purity aspect.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Mister Bill Debor, Woody warehouse dot com. When you and
missus Debor out gardening this weekend, will you be gardening natively?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Oh, I think we're going to leave you in a
little bit of way for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Okay, got it? Hey, uh go boiler makers. I hope
you guys do well. Good talking with you, great information again,
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and you too, Ron All right, take care build a
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I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking about
yarning on this Labor Day weekend. You know, in the
first hour they're talking talking with the young lady from
Delaware talking about possibly adding some flowering plants to her
lawn or to that septic mound, which is a possibility. Well,
guess what have you ever considered doing that? Maybe part
(01:02):
of the backyard or sideyard, or maybe the whole yard
you want to turn it into a flowering lawn. Well,
that is possible. As a matter of fact. The man
to tell us all about how to do that. The
website is flowering lawn dot com. It's called flawn and
he is with us this morning. Anthony need Anthony, good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, good morning, Ron, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hey, our pleasure. Since that time of the year, right,
we're looking at the fall season and you know, folks
thinking about maybe doing something like this, this is a
good time to take that on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Absolutely, now is the best time of the year to seed.
We're getting out of those those hot temperatures, those possibilities
of a drought, and we're looking at more frequent rains
and we still have warm soils, which is great. That
helps the seeds get grown quick and put down good
roots before winter.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, So tell me for folks who have not
heard you on our show in the past, are not
familiar with flawn seed, Basically, it's it's a process of
adding flowering plants to your existing lawn.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, these aren't your like prairie plants that are
growing like waste high, chest high. These these are very
low growing, moable, walkable. We're talking, you know, two to
four inches. Some of our varieties do get a little
bit taller six to eight inches. But we're looking to
reduce mowing, reduced use of fertilizers and hazardous pesticide. So
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we're looking to create a safe environment for our pets
and our kids, but also really to help save our
pollinators which are in severe decline. So if you're able to,
you know, get pied, the possibility of you know, having
a bee buzz around a little bit and you know,
they're they're docile creatures, they're not out to harm you.
(02:51):
They're not predatory insects. They are they're very friendly insects
and they're looking to go through and forage your lawn,
and why not create some habitat for them and help
out on your wallet too. You're going to be saving
up to seventeen hundred dollars a year by not mowing
as much, not having to hire a contractor to fertilize,
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or you're not going to be irrigating as much either,
So it really is a win win.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Now, as we start to look at these and of
course we'll talk about some of the different mixes that
are available for folks to use. This could be done
at any level. I mean, you know, when you and
I have talked in the past, you know you don't
have to do your entire lawn if you don't want
to do that. If you want the front lawn to
be like a normal lawn like everybody else is in
the neighborhood or whatever it may be, leave it alone.
(03:37):
But to do just a side yard or a part
of the yard or the backyard or whatever that easily
can be done without doing the entire lawn.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, it makes total sense because your lawn most likely
isn't the same everywhere anyways. I mean, sometimes people only
have popsail brought into their front yard and then their
backyard is more sandy, you have a big shade tree
in part of their yard, usually in between your houses.
If you live in the neighborhood, you have more shade
(04:09):
there and it might stay more wet more of the time.
So we have varieties that work well in all of
those conditions, and that's why we like to kind of
just rely on diversity. And when you have a mix,
we have like our b lawn mixes that usually have
three different varieties that will do well in all areas.
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So just because you plant the same mix throughout your
whole lawn, though it might not look the same in
all those different micro climates that you have. So you
might get some more pink flowers in one area in
the sun, you might get some more purple flowers in
more area of the shade. But then we have the
use of like clovers, and you don't even have to
have the flowers, so don't think that you can't do this.
(04:53):
And without having flowers. We have products called microflover that
is really really short only green, does not produce the flowers,
and that's a great one that people are doing in
their front yards because they may be concerned about like
mowing hype restrictions or attracting bees to your front yard
where you have other small pets walking by on the sidewalk.
(05:15):
So micro clover is a great option there.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, and you know again we're talking with Anthony Need.
The website is Flowering lawn dot com. It's called the
Flaw and Seed Kits. You know the thing with the clover.
I mean, you know, when I first started in this
business forty fifty years ago, that was a common practice
was to show Dutch white clover along with your new lawn.
You know that the clover would come up help a
(05:38):
feed the new lawn and then eventually the lawn would
thicken up. You wouldn't see it quite as much. A
lot of folks just left it there because you know,
they knew that the bees enjoyed it or eventually kind
of faded it out. So it's it's been around a
long time. But this new micro clover seed, I think
that's to me, that is outstanding because you know, you're
you know, like you said, low flowering still kind of does,
(06:01):
but helps out the lawn. Really getting going to cut
back on your fertilizing. What an easy way to go.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, you nailed it on the head there. I mean
it goes back to right after World War two and
everyone started putting in lawns and I owned an organic
lon care company before I started fawn set kits, and
clover was our natural weed preventer if you think about it.
It has a broad leaf versus and grasses which have
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a narrow blade, so it helps to shade the ground
to cool the ground prevent it from drying out so quickly,
so it holds moisture in. But it also prevents weed
seeds from getting light to grow, so it is like
a natural crab grass prevents in the spring. It helps
to prevent broad leaf weeds like dandelions as well, so
it's a campaigning plant to all of our other low
(06:51):
growing wild flower variety. So we do use clovers a
lot in mixes. But like you said, it feeds the lawn.
It's a nitrogen fixer, so it really transfers atmospheric nitrogen
into the soil for you, so you do not need
to use any more fertilizers once you have clover equally
dispersed throughout your lawn.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And I'm I'm a big, big pusher on the I
always say pamp or your worms because if your worms
are happy, the plants are going to be happy too,
because it means that the soil is alive and viable
and the plants are going to root in better. And
from what I understand, you know where clover is typically growing,
earthworms absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a symbiotic relationship, you know. Less
disturbance of the soil keeps your soil structure in place better.
We're not releasing carbon into the atmosphere by by doing
too much you know, heavy tilline or a rating or
anything like that. So we're creating more of a natural environment.
And the worms are what's what's helping to aerify your soil.
(07:52):
They do a great job. The earthworms go straight up
and down vertically and poke holes. That helps the drainage
that nutrient uptake from the plants on side of you.
So lots of great things there between the two.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Talking with Anthony Need, the company is flowering. Their website,
flowering lawn dot Com is called flawn seed Kits now.
These are available in the retail garden centers as well
as on their website. And again go check it out
flowering lawn dot Com. Let's take a quick break, we
come back. We'll find out how do you go about
sewing this in your existing lawn. Why is now a
great time for doing that? And we'll take a look
(08:27):
at some of the different mixes that are available for
you as well. And you know there's some pros and
maybe a few cons to doing this. We'll bring that
to your attention as well. Here in the Garden with
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Speaker 1 (11:13):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. We're
talking flawing seed kids, flowering lawns, and their website is
flowering lawn dot com. Anson you need is with us
this morning telling you how easy it can be for
you to turn your lawn or part of your lawn
or just a particular area of your lawn into a
flowering lawn. Of course helps out the pollinators and it's
very attractive and cuts down on fertilizing and mowing in
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the whole nine yards. So timing wise, just like putting
down grass seed, now is one of the best times
to do this.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we have, you know, gotten past
those hot temperatures. We're ready to get out in the yard.
It's a nice working weekend here. I'm up in Wisconsin,
but I know we're sending a nice weather your way
as well, and you know I'm going to be out
side most of the weekend here. The way to do
this is super simple. I mean, we we sell the
(12:06):
kits as well as seed by itself, but our kits
are all shaker containers, so you don't need some sort
of specialty spreader or to be an expert of spreading
seed by hand to do this. We have kits that
already have compost and soil builders mixed in with the seeds,
so you simply select the seed mix you want and
(12:26):
then the process is what kind of a one two
three you want to mow your existing grass on as
short as possible, you know, bag or rake those clippings
off to the side, just lightly rake. We don't need
to like we talked about, We don't need to be
tilling or aer rating. We just want a lightly rake
to disturb that top soil. And then you're just shaking
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these seed kits out. You just walk in uh parallel
lines and then come back perpendicular, get even coverage and
just turn a sprinkler around and that'll settle the seeds
right down into the soil.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And how long once I do that how long Anthony,
until I start to see some new things coming up
in the yard. And how do I know that? I
know that I was talking about the pros and the
cons of this. I think one of the cons is,
how do I know that I'm not getting weeds and
I'm getting what I got in my container?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, We're here to help you, so you
can use the chat buttons that goes directly to me.
We are a small family business, me, my wife, and
my niece, our employees here, so you can always reach
right out to us directly. Send us a picture will
help you identify it. You know, phones now are really
good at identifying plants if you take a picture. But
(13:38):
we have a resource guide on our website too of
how to take care of a newborn flawn. So you know,
three to five days after seeding, clovers will start to germinate,
so really quickly you'll start seeing the seeds sprout, and
basically at this time of the year. It's another reason
it's so great to do that now is there isn't
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as any natural weed seeds germinating at this time like
there are in the spring, so you have less weed competition.
You can grow exactly what you want to grow without
anything else getting in the way, So we'll help you
out to identify it. So don't start pulling stuff until
you reach out to us or or do a little research.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
New born flawns. I wrote that down. I thought that
was pretty cool. Yeah, so your new born flawn is
so it's going to come up, it's going to continue
to grow. Now. Do most of these go dormant over
the winter?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean we call them perennials in most most
of our varieties are zones three through nine. We do
have a couple other specialty ones if you want to
work in some like mixed English daisy, which are really beautiful.
Those would you would be planting this time of year,
and they'll they'll just bloom right away in the spring
(14:55):
and die back for the year. Done after that. But
all the other varieties are going to be Yeah, they'll
go dormans in the winter. They'll come right up just
like your grass does. So they're not evergreens. You know,
they're not going to be green through the winter. If
we don't have a snow cover, they will look a
little yellow or brownish, but don't don't worry. They will
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come right back in the spring when the soils warm
up and the rain's return.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And that's where your lawn helps because and that becomes
the basis for the lawn obviously, the grass that's growing
there to help carry you through the winter. And then
there's come right back up and starts all over again.
Talking with Anthony Nead again. The website is Flowering Lawn
dot com. They're called flawn seed kits and there's quite
a selection here. Now let me back up because we
(15:39):
had a caller in our last half hour and she
had the mounds for the septic system the way they
mound that up and do that in the backyards, and
she was looking for She said, I'd like to put
a type of grass on there, which you know, maybe
I don't have to mow or bow very often, and
what could I put it on there to flower? This
could be an opportunity for something like that. And I
don't know if you've address that with folks before, to
(16:02):
do something like that with both a combination of the
low mo grass as well as one of your flowering
your flond kits.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, we we have a specialty kit called the Septic
and Slope Kit and.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It yeah, yep, exactly. We've got that and it's on
my septic mound as well, and we have fine fescue
grasses in there. We call it our mow less grass seed.
So it's a it's a blend of it's a specialty
blend of three fine fescues. We do not mix in
tall fescue. We do not have in rye grass or
blue grass, so it's I don't think you'll be able
(16:38):
to find another tribe blend of fine fescus on the market,
but we we mix in our white yarrow. And what's
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bees to bubble bees, so you're helping the pollinators there.
But it has very fine hairy roots that go down
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up to four feet deep. And I know, I know
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If you don't ever want to mow your septic mount,
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Speaker 1 (17:35):
Outstanding. You see, you've already got all this stuff covered.
Talking with Anthony need again. The website flowering lawn dot com.
They're called flawn seed kits now, so folks understand these
these kits are being sold in retail garden centers.
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Lawn dot com Anthony Need. Always a pleasure having you on.
Got big plans for this Labor Day weekend.
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I'll be outside working, so taking in the sun.
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Taking in some sun. Hey, always a pleasure, man. I
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All right, take care again. It's called flawn seed kits
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a cool concept and again there's perfect for the septic mounds.
Look at it. He's already address that. I know that
was pretty interesting, but it's something you might want to
look at. You know, you got a pollinator bed, landscape bed.
Maybe you do the grass up ten twelve, fifteen feet
(19:03):
away from that in this flowering lawn as well, kind
of tie the two together. I mean, you can do
it that way or do the whole backyard or the
front yard or whatever you want to do. But anyway,
he's got quite a combination here and a lot of folks,
I know, doing more of the micro clover and you
really don't it's there if you don't notice it quite
as much. But that's a great way to go as well.
(19:25):
I know Teresa Parker does that up in columbus and
it's been doing it for many, many years and absolutely
loves it beekeeper, but absolutely loves it in her turf
type tall fescue lawn. All right, we're gonna take a
quick break. We come back. We're going to talk with
our good friend build the board. Bill's our native plant
expert from Woody Warehouse. It's Woody Warehouse dot Com. We're
gonna it gets so confusing. What is a native plant?
(19:47):
What is a native var? What is a cultivar? What
is a native species? What is the you know, what
is the wild type of these plants? What are we
talking about? What do we want to plant? Bill's got
our answers for us. Coming up next here in the
garden with Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Native plants,
Native plants. Why are native plants so important? Why are
native plants all of a sudden out there everywhere as
part of the buzz. Why is that happening? Then all
of a sudden you hear the natives. Then you hear cultivars,
then you hear native VARs. Then you hear wild types
or straight species, which are better? Which or not? Which
(22:26):
should be used? Can I use them all? It gets
your head just starts to spin when you think of
the world of where we are right now, with these
natives trying to get this more and morning to our landscape. Well,
to straighten us all out, to settle down the whirlwind.
To set us straight is our native expert, mister Bill Debord.
The website is Woody Warehouse dot com. Good morning, sir,
(22:48):
Good morning, mister Wilson. I have just one thing to
say to you this morning. Yes, sir, hook em horns,
thank you so much. Guys, got a big you got
a big game ahead of you today.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Well, if we can put a touchdown on the board,
I think we'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Ball State. What a tough start to get off to
in the in the football season.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, you know, we can't all play Texas, so we
gotta pick.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good game.
So we'll see what happens. But yeah, go whatever you want.
That's fine. I'm surprised you're not rooting for the Big
Ten though.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You know, sometimes you gotta poke.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
The bear a little bit. Okay, that's a right. I
don't mind. It gets good. I think it'll be good.
I think it'll be a close game. I'm glad you
brought it up. We appreciate that, mister bordermaker. All right, Uh, Natives,
growing natives, natives, cultivars, native oars, wild types, straight species.
It just gets so confusing right now. And of course
everybody that's on the total native fence is only natives.
(23:50):
And then you got folks out there like doctor Allen
Armidy as you say, who actually came up with a
name native oars. It's okay to use these selections of
natives that are grown by man, and some people are
saying no. And then there's the wild and I hear
wild type and I hear straight species. Set us straight here,
what is the deal?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
So ron really what we're talking about, and I'm going
to keep it broad and simple when we're talking straight
species or wild type, all we're saying is that this
is open pollinated, meaning seed is collected from these plants,
that their origins are more of wild. It's not something
(24:31):
that was taken from a nursery. This is finding native
plants out there in the landscape in natural areas. When
we're talking about cultivars and there's a couple of different
layers to this onion, really what we're talking about a
lot of times, and it gets a little confusing and
(24:52):
misleading and people don't understand it. When we're talking about
like a native ar, that's a selection. All that's saying
is that somebody found some characteristic from a wild type
species that said, gee, I like this this. You know,
this plant stays more compact, it has a bigger flower,
it flowers longer, and they selected that plant and then
(25:17):
reproduce it, you know, clonally asexually to maintain those characteristics.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now when you and so when you say so, folks
are listening clonally basically it's taken from cuttings. Yes, yes, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because the uh, the fortune or unfortunate thing is when
you do something that's open pollinated, you don't know what
you're gonna get. So when you get wild type plants
that are propagated from seed, you're gonna get some that
flower longer, shorter, earlier, later, taller, smaller. You never know
what you're gonna get. And that's kind of some of
(25:53):
the beauty of it. But if you like to have guarantees,
then you know something that is selected for or and
cloned will give you more consistent results.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, an example of that for folks that may have
been shopping in their garden centers this past week, and
the garden centers of let you know, just doing great
this week. The cooler weather, I mean it was ninety
seven I think this time last year, hot and dry.
Who wanted to do anything beautiful weather so far out
in planting right now? If they went out to their
(26:25):
local garden center, who happens to sell some native plants
or native selections. I think one of the examples you
brought up, which I think is great button bush versus
sugarshack button bush.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Yeah, And I think sometimes when we get enthusiastic people
that just want native plants, they want to insert a
wild type native plant in every space, and that's not
always appropriate. You know, our wild type button bush gets
eight ten feet tall and wide. That doesn't need to
(27:01):
go right next to the foundation of your house. And
so when we look to some of these native oars,
they have been selected to stay smaller, compact, longer flowering,
and so when we have space constraints, there is a
(27:21):
good opportunity to start using some of these these native
bars in that space because they will fit and do
better less maintenance less things that the homeowner has to
do with them.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
All right, we're talking with Bill Debor. The website is
Woody Warehouse dot com. They're a nursery that grows native
plants and great resource. Go to look at their plant
lists on there. Great information for you as well. They
sell to a lot of the garden centers and nurseries
that you may be dealing with. And if your nursery
is having our time or garden center stocking themselves with
(27:54):
native plants and they say we can't find them, give
them this this website, what do you wear house do
and say have at it because they have a great selection.
But trying to get this thing straight out because it
can be very confusing. Now, one of the other arguments
that folks, you know it comes into this mix then,
is the native plants, the wild type versus the native
(28:15):
ar cultivar. And if we're talking about pollinators, who has
the most nectar and the most pollen and not the
selections the native of ours may not and some of
them do, and some of them have even higher than
the natives. But isn't that becoming a part of the
argument as well.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and I did you know.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I'm sure what you did prior to this run as
looking up academic journals, just like your casual listener does
for this.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
But the research consensus is we don't know, and it depends.
And so I think if there's the biggest takeaway here,
it is you cannot make bold claims that straight species
are always better or cultivars are always bad, and vice versa.
(29:04):
And so I think when we're trying to, as a
consumer make these conscientious decisions, we have to look at
some of the ecological benefits. You know, is this plant.
I'll take Echinaesia for example. Ron So if we have
a sterile double or triple flowering Echinasia ornamentally great, beautiful,
(29:27):
love it, it is a plant portrait. It is not
offering food sources to pollinators, and likewise it's not going
to be producing seed that goldfinches and other birds will love.
And so from the ecological perspective, it's not very powerful.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We look at the.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Straight specie Acinaesia, and it is a huge pollinator magnet.
And then the second you have you know, purple cone flower,
pale cone flower, any of the native species. Then you
produce seed and you'll watch goldfinches, you know, bounce from
plant to plant to plant. So when we're trying to
make this determination, what are we really looking for is
(30:08):
can these insects you know, if we're talking about caterpillars
because we want butterflies, are they going to feed on
that plant? And so even the research here is conflicted.
Sometimes when you start changing the color from the straight
green to a purple or a red or something, insects
may or may not be able to find that in
(30:30):
forage on that quite as well as just the straight species.
But with some of the cultivars, they have been bred
to have longer bloom times or larger blooms. And so
when you start looking at pollinator's ability to utilize that,
now you're doing something that's more advantageous because there is
(30:51):
a longer opening to that buffet for the pollinators to utilize.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's deep.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
You know, I'm caffeinated, so I can go deeper.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
That is deep.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I mean, I am you don't want that? I am?
I am? That is deep stuff. Hey, by the way,
before we take a break, I'm just curious to grow buckeyes.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Well, we don't like to. We don't associate the Ohio
part of that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But yes we do.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Okay, just checking a quick break. We come back. We're
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Speaker 1 (33:09):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson talking natives,
wild type, straight species, cultivars, native ours with our native
plant expert Build a Boor from a Woody Warehouse his
website Woodywarehouse dot com. Be sure and check it out.
And I'm serious. If you have a garden center you
work with or nursery and they say they just can't
get native plants, blah blah blah, no good source, give
them that website and tell them to go check it out,
(33:32):
because mister de boor has everything they need to have
native plants in their retail location. You know, I think
you mentioned did you mention Monk Cuba Center to me
in one of our conversations.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, and I think for anyone who kind of wants
to look at simple research and kind of find out
how these straight species versus named cultivars are doing from
a pollinator perspective, that is a wonderful resource and website
to go to.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, they've got a great great The charts are phenomenal.
Somebody had asked me a couple of weeks ago. They
were showing it. They're showing a picture of hydrangeis and
somebody and they're beekeepers and wanted to know, if you know,
do the bees come to that particular one. And they said, no,
I really don't see too many bees on this one,
but I do get it on this one. And of
course I went to Mount Cuba Center. Of course they've
(34:24):
got a whole chart on the hydranges, you know, especially
the arborescence which is the wild hydrangeer for the middle landing.
And you know, it showed the different native of ours
that are ranked just as high as the wild species,
and then it was amazing how many weren't good at
all for the pollinators. So, yeah, they've done an excellent
job and a great source that would be Mount Cubas Center.
(34:47):
I think it's Mount Cubacenter dot org. If I'm not mistaken,
but be sure and check that out if you're really
interested in finding out, they'd have done an excellent job.
And I'm sure you've visited there many times.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I have frequent their trial garden research findings because it's
always good to stay on top of how certain things
are doing and ranked in terms of ecological benefits. And
that is one of the few sources that's actually looking
at that, so really good source.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, and that's open to the public, and they have
classes and things there and it's a it's a great
place to visit. Put it on your bucket list. It's
the Mount Cuba Center and check it out. And even
recommended by mister Bill Bore from a woody warehouse. So,
you know, for folks that are listening and are saying, okay,
so native plants, I get it, things have been growing here.
How what is the criteria to officially be called a
(35:38):
native plant for our area?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Well, and that really depends on how strict, uh the
definition you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Ron.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I think my mind tends to be a little more liberal,
just because I'm in sales. A lot of people especially
like USDA, when they're coming they're looking at historical records.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And going out and whether or not.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
They find that plant there or have historical records to say,
you know, that plant was found there at one hundred
you know or so years ago. From my perspective is
I have a broader context where I look at geographical locations,
and so I may say something like, hey, this is
native to the Midwest. That does not mean it's appropriate
(36:29):
for all of the Midwest. But I look at native
in terms of geographical locations. So something that does well
in middle southern Kentucky is probably not going to do
well in Michigan, although.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It may be the exact same, you.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Know, species that we're talking about. So we always have
to take into account local climates and whether or not
that species will do well. And we see that even
in the native cultivars, if it is a more southern
uh selection, that may not perform as well in colder
(37:07):
climates and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, talking about Bill de borgetting the website is a
woody warehouse dot org yeah, dot com.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, we're for profits, I got.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Com uh yeah, and uh. Anyway, talk at native plants
and native ours and the wild species and all that
it gets, and it can't get very confusing. So you know,
I think what Bill, as you and I talk and
we we we've talked a lot over the last few
years and talking about this as is coming along as
we look at landscaping and trying to use more native
(37:42):
plants diversity. It sounds to me and that's what I've
always kind of gone with. Seems to be, you know,
look at the natives if they work for the particular location,
like you were saying, if not, look at the native
ours or the cultivars of those native plants, uh, and
use those. And you know, I also look at it
this way. I look and say, you know, if you
(38:03):
really want to if you've already got an existing landscape,
don't you know you don't want to tear it all
out start? How about you know, we talk about creating
pollinator gardens, Why can't we do that with our pollinator gardens,
because and create native plant gardens where it's both woody shrubs,
you know, evergreens, perennials and et cetera, et cetera that
are native and make it more of a native garden.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yeah, And I I hear, I see. I listen to
a lot of people that start getting emotional about native plants.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, I hear.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
People that just say, well, this isn't native, so we've
got to rip it out and start and everything has
to be native. I don't think we need to go
to that point. I think, as you were detailing, start somewhere,
and I think you're going to be at awe of
how small changes can have big impacts. You know, we
(39:01):
just had our annual field day for wholesale customers at
the nursery last week, and we're walking past our herbaceous
section with one gallon herbaceous natas, and we had meadow
Blazing Star, which is a leatrice that gets four or
five almost six feet with the floral spike. And all
(39:23):
these customers were watching in awe as there was thirty
forty monarchs flying all over this plant. And I would
be surprised if it wasn't twenty five to forty percent
of the people that walked past there walked out with
(39:44):
metal Blazing Star from you know, our field day. And
so the reason I tell that story is you can
have that sort of impact by a singular plant if
you choose. You don't have to start by saying, hey,
I'm going to do sixty seventy natives makes that one selection,
and watch what happens when you add that to your landscape.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, and I think a great point. And then and
then take it from there, uh, and continue to expand
and work and again perennials, woody shrubs, trees and are
included in that as well, and uh, and see where
it takes you. And I think that's I think that's
the best way to do it. A little diversity and
work it, work it out, and work it as as
it goes along. I guess, you know research on the
(40:31):
native ours is that you know, are we seeing more
and more of that all the time, more selections of
native of ours coming out there. It seems to me
they are.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yeah, and I I, you know, doing research for this,
I saw more research out there than you know, I
previously had seen. But compared to you know, more traditional
horticulture research, it's still very limited. And so the question remains,
are all of these things okay? And the answer is
(41:01):
we don't know. Some of them may be less beneficial
than others. But once again, where we start philosophically having
this conversation is we need more native plants.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
In the landscape.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
And so while a named cultivar nine bark may not
be ecologically as beneficial as like a straight species nine bark,
it still holds value and so we don't have to
rank and file and say, well, it's terrible if you're
not just using straight species natives. I think the need
(41:35):
is there that we need more green spaces, we need
more diversity, and we need to help these you know
organisms and you know out to help rebound from some
of the things we've done. And we can't do that
as long as we're not focused on the purity aspect.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Mister Bill Debor, Woody warehouse dot com. When you and
missus Debor out gardening this weekend, will you be gardening natively?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Oh, I think we're going to leave you in a
little bit of way for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Okay, got it? Hey, uh go boiler makers. I hope
you guys do well. Good talking with you, great information again,
woodywarehouse dot com. Appreciate you spending time with us this morning,
and you too, Ron All right, take care build a
boar woodywarehouse dot com, and again give that to your
local garden center or or nursery if they don't have
a good supply of native plants for you. There's a
(42:30):
great source for them to have them for you. All right,
quick break, we come back. Phone lines are open for
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