August 30, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Our total free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two fifty five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy. It's believe it or not, the end
of August, first of September coming up here in a
couple of days. That's the meteorological start of the fall season.
I am excited. This time last year we were experiencing
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ninety degree days, hot, dry, unbelievably unbearable, been with us
and pounding us, and it was horrible. And this past
week absolutely gorgeous. Last week, absolutely half of the last
week absolutely gorgeous. Looking it next week absolutely gorgeous, very exciting.
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People at the garden centers out early, ready to go,
buy in trees, buy in shrubs, getting those evergreens planted outstanding.
And fall, of course being such a great time for planting.
More roots are developed in the fall than any other
time the rest of the year, and of course fall
gives us the longest planting season September, October, November and
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many times into December as well, so keep that in mind.
But so many great benefits for planting in the fall.
The weather's great, little dry. We can use some rainfall
and hopefully it'll come through here mid next week, but
other than that, looking really good. If you're looking to
switch out those planters, starting to look some of the
annuals are looking little bit weak, thinned out a little bit,
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you're gonna look to pull those out, maybe switch over
to fall the fall colors, moms, cabbage and kale, the
ornamental cabbages and kales, the pansies, the straw flowers. You know,
they're still gonna find out. There some cold, hardy annuals
that are that will tolerate. Some pretty good frosts are
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available for you as well. But all of these are
really nice to add to your planters for that fall
season to carry you through October and into early November.
One of which the category has been around forever, well
not forever, but for a long time, that I want
to mention to you that I just think are like
the Rodney danger fields of fall planting, and that's ornamental
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cabbage and kale. We used to call them flowering ornamental
cabbage and kale because if they make it through the winter,
which sometimes they do if it's a very mild winter,
they actually flower in the springtime. It's you're just a
white flower, and like cabbager kale pollinators love it, but
used for fall planting. They love the cooler temperatures, and
the cooler it gets, the more colorful the leaves get.
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And these are now available in these deeply serrated leaves
and really cool cabbage heads and kale heads and the folies.
It upright and out and you know, pretty much green
right now. But if you look at the base of
the leaves and the centers of the cabbages, they're starting
to turn their colors of pinks and lavenders and reds
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and whites. It's phenomenal. Even the big red mustard green,
which is a wonderful tasting mustard green, tastes like horse reddish,
really nice bite to it, little dinner in a show.
As it continues to get cooler in the fall season,
it gets redder and redder and redder, and it's just
a tremendous show. Plus you can harvest it and eat it.
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I like just picking it fresh and eat it, nice
little bite to it. Ornamental cabbages and kales I think
have been kind of the Rodney Dangel Rodney dangerfields of
fall planted color. You know, we got pangies out there,
we got the moms obviously, the asters, you know, all
of that out there. I get it. It's been around
for a long time and they give us great color.
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But the thing about it is, there's a point where
all those stop. Montac daisies included where the point they stop.
But when it comes to ornamental cabbage and kale, they
just keep on ticking. So the heavy cold weather, the
freezers will take the other things out, the ornamental cabbages
of kale just keep right on going. And by the
time you get to Christmas a holiday season, these things
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are in peak colors and again pinks and reds and
lavenders and whites, and it's just phenomenal. As a matter
of fact, I don't remember if we had to post
it on a website or not last year, but as
we got into the winter a couple of hours that
got some pretty good height to them, kind of a
pinky lavender really got snowed on, which helps to protect them.
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And as the snow started to melt down, what was
sticking up out of the snow, which is really fluorescent
pinky lavender color. That was the coolest thing ever white
snow with these leaves sticking out. And it continued on
and they did flour for me this spring, so they
lasted through the winter season. So when you're doing these plantings,
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maybe around the front door, in the containers for sure,
whatever it may be. Try the ornamental cabbages and kales,
if you've never tried them before. They'll continue to grow.
If you get small ones, they'll get bigger for you
over the fall. But the colors just get brighter and
brighter the colder it gets, and they last right up
until the holiday season with no problem whatsoever. They will
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give you more extended bright colors than mums or pansies,
or asters or montac daisies and all the cold harty
annuals can give you. And it just gets better as
it goes on, all right, So keep those in mind
as you're out there looking to redo your fall plantings.
Ornamental cabbagescales, and the big red or giant red is
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called sometimes mustard green. Same way. It's absolutely gorgeous and
it's edible. So you got dinner and a show to
glenn Dale, we go, Dave, good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yes, sir, hey called you up last week and he
turned me on to turf type taul fescue blend. Yes,
I haven't got it yet, But I have some follow
up questions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I am manually digging up my yard with a shovel
and pulling all the rat grass out and the weeds
and the broad leaf clover. I have the worst front
lawn on the street, and I'm gonna I'm digging it up,
going down five or six inches and pulling all the
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roots out. And I guess the question I have once
I get this all out. My front yard is probably
about thirty square or three thousand square feet. If I
can get fifteen square done this year, I'll be a
happy camper. But the question I have once I turn
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all this dirt over, should I put some like organic
matter on top of it or composts before I put
the seed down?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I would As a matter of fact, you know, I'm
listening to what you're doing, and I get it because
you're frustrated and you're digging all those out. Two things though,
that could be a con to what you're doing there.
One is when you're digging like that, you're turning up
other weed seeds, and you could be turning up seeds
that have been down in the ground just waiting for
the sunlight. Now they're not going to germinate this fall
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more than likely, but waiting to come up for you
in the springtime. So tilling like that or digging like
that sometimes can turn up other weed seeds, so be
cautious about that too. You know, unless you're opposed to
using a vegetation killer, if you use something like kills
all from fertilom and kill everything, spray it, kill everything out,
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just kill it out you can, you know, and it
takes out root and all. You spray it, you kill it.
You come back with the lawnmower and you mow it
as low as you can. Then you come back and
if you want to do a little core areating or
top dressing or whatever, you can do that and then
just slice seed right through all of that. It's a
piece of cake. Uh, and it you know, it's it's
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it's it's it's easy to me, the easiest way to go.
If you want to dig all that stuff out, that's
that's up to you. That's that's your choice. But you
can go through and and just kill everything with you know,
the glypha saide, get rid of it, give it about
ten days to two weeks, make sure it's all dead,
mow it low, leave it there. Just leave all that
stuff there and rint a slice seedar or a slit seedar,
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and seed right through that stuff and it acts as
a mulch for you. You get that seed in there,
you get the fertilizer in there, you get to sprinkler
set up, and you're good to go. And next thing
you know, that stuff's up and growing, and by you know,
mid November, it's gonna be looking pretty darn good. And
it may save you time and give you the opportunity
to do all three thousand square feet rather than just
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the fifteen hundred. But it's an option something to consider.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, And I guess I should plant some straw or thrill. No, no,
throw some straw over.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
No, don't use straw if you can get by without
using strall. And that's one thing good about seeding in
September and early October is that as long as you
can keep even moistury in that soil, don't use straw.
Because if you use straw, now you got to deal
with the straw and eventually rake that off and mow
that back in, and you also deal with whatever weed
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and wheat seeds happen to be in the straw. And
if anything pops up like the wheat, and it will.
You can't do any about it because you got new
grass coming up, so you either hand pull that or
just wait until the cold weather takes it out, so
you know, there's nothing you can do about it. So
there are grass seed accelerators that are like they're just
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little pellets that you can throw out there, throw the
water on it. It swells up and goes over top
and covers up your seed for you. No weed, seeds,
no nothing. It's a little more expensive, but it does work.
So Dave, if you can get by without doing the straw,
do not put the straw out.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I won't put that down. And one other thing, this
organic matter or compost, how don want to put down?
What's that coming? Like fifty pounds bags.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Or what you can buy it in fifty pound bags,
you know, if you've got a lot to do, Yeah,
you can get like I'll tell you one for instance,
called the cow. It's combination combineur and compost. It's great
and it's really fine and it's really easy to spread out.
You can do it by hand and spread it out
over the top. You can also buy composts from sometimes
the top soil supplier multi suppliers as would have a
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nice fine compost for you as well that you could
you have them dump just a one yard or whatever
and then hands spread it over the area. So yeah,
both ways. But yes, you can get compost in a
fifty sixty pound bag in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
A big big box store.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Maybe they may have it garden centers. The cow which
is actually that's what it's called. You probably find that
more at the independent garden centers.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, keep.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Me updated in the house doing okay, uh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Doing for right. I'm gonna retire and I ain't got
nothing better to do but dig up my yard.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well there you go, then have mad it and enjoy
digging it up.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I would be spraying it. That's and I'm sem I
retired too, but I would I would be spraying it.
All right, quick break, we come back time for some
home improvement from mister Gary Sullivan. And at the bottom
of the hour, Buggy Joe bogs and it's all happening
right here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
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in the garden with Ron Wilson. Shout out real quick
to Tammy and Ray Hughes. Send me pictures of the
harvest from the garden so far, absolutely gorgeous. Twenty seven
tomato plants, some all different, shashido peppers and zucchinis and cucumbers.
I'm jealous and sac but nice job, Tammy and Ray Hughes.
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Now it's time for the man, the myth, the legend.
He is the most listened to Home IMPROVEMN show hosts
in the entire world, Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only,
Mister Gary Sullomon.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Mister Wilson, Mister tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Uh, you know, tomato tomatoes this year were good and bad.
Really we had a lot. I had a lot of
folks that said, like to Ray and Tammy here, and
I think they toward the Cleveland area where you're really big,
but they they just had a great year. But then
you have other folks that said, I just wound up
tearing them all out. They just didn't do anything, and
so it kind of happens.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, I guess what I mean. I started. I've just
heard a lot of people raving about their tomato crop,
and then I was reading about the corn crop and
it's like, well, I guess, you know, had enough heat,
humidity and rain, something had to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Huh the corn crop being good or bad? Good? Oh?
I know. There were some areas dealing with the tight tassel.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I hate that when that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And again it was a varied Well you know what's interesting.
Tight tassel keeps the tassels real tight. They can't pollinate
the you know see, and so you have poor pollination
down below.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well see the corn knife had this year, the fresh
corn farmers market corn. I didn't think they were as
big as in pasture smaller ears. Yeah, is that from
tight No, you just wouldn't have it. That's a whole
another problem.
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Speaker 1 (16:49):
All that is the old golf tea thing with the
glue still the best way to fill those holes.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Up toothpicks and you know, little wood glue and those in.
You can do that. There's also a little device I personally,
if you're really looking for something easy, and we both are,
I take about a toothpick, break it down in about
two or three paces pieces, put a little wood glue
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in that hole, stuff those toothpicks in there, and then run.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
The screw and after it drives, because the chances are
you going to mount it in the same hole.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's easy, peasy, okay. And they
also have these little thicker than aluminum foil almost like aluminum,
with little teeth on it that you just fold it
in half so it's like a v and insert that
in the hole. That works pretty good too. There's all
kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Then you just screw right into the middle of right
into that. Yeah, all right. Like capt thinking of the
golf tees.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, here's the problem. The golf teas work well, I
mean they really do. So you the golf tea is
is tapered, so you just kind of push that in,
tap it in if you want, don't tap too hard.
Take a blade from like a hack saw or something.
Just cut it off. Smooth sand it if you want
the only problem is those golf teas I think are
made of maple, so it's kind of hard wood. Yeah,
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and then you gotta a little pilot hole there, put
little hole in there first. Yeah, but I mean, and
you're also putting some wood glue in there too, so
all kinds of ways to fill it. But a man
of your skill level you should have no problem at all.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
But liquid nail would not be the answer. Um, otherwise
you'd be drawing a hole in that too. Yeah. But
you know, I guess you could screw screw into that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you could probably run a little pilot hole. I'd
probably feel a little better with.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The pilot hole.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Always called a tap.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well that's good too.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Pilot hole No, No, I want to use it right
home improvement lengo. Oh, well, pilot.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You can use either one. According to me, you could
just say put a hole in it, just put all
on it, come.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
On, just not bigger than the screw you're going to
put in there.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, don't you a plastic would.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I'm not well. The thing of it is, I I
think I might have somebody put them put them back
on instead of me. But would I pre do that?
Or would they do that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Well, I guess they would do that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think they do. They cover we're going to install it, okay,
just telling them you already have an existing door, so
they knowed you could do that. I didn't know if
I was helping them out by putting the golf tea
in there and having it all solid and they can
just remount it how they need to remount it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah, i'd think, to be honest with you, I think
they'll just put a couple toothpicks in there and a
little bit of glue and screw it right in there
and dry, and you'll be as good as gold.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
That's my that's my thoughts. Gold, that's my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
That's it counts big time. So what do you go
to talk about today on this Labor Day weekend?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Well, if we've put off our projects, I think it's
time to get going.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do you think not today because there's college football today?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well that's true too. See there's always an excuse for you,
you know. It's but we got all kinds of things,
don't we outside? And I think i'd be outside, But
we do have football. We got some good games.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Take day off Run.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Thank you so much. I appreciate that you bet. Gary Sullomon,
Garysolimon online dot com. Be sure check it out. Coming
up next, Fuggy Joe Boggs. Here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson. How is your garden growing?
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Speaker 6 (22:38):
Hello run. Let's just skip right ahead to the big
show today.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
The Big Show do you like coconut cream pie.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I love coconut cream pie.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
My goodness, y Rita's recipe is so easy. I am
going to actually go home today before the big game
at noon and make myself a coconut cream pie.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Do you know what is the coconut cream? Banana cream?
Speaker 8 (23:07):
I just shot man, ah man, I tell you that
you were a kid, did you take vanilla wafers, put
them in a glass, pour milk on it, crush them
all up, and eat that like a paste?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I did. I didn't do that. I mean, who didn't
do this? Weird and wonderful. I mean, it's a wonder
that we survived our misadventures and eating right?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well eating what? Now they're saying kids, kids need to
get out and eat some dirt. You know, you and
I are always out there with dirt on our hands
and doing stuff. Kids where this is going? Kids, they
don't do that anymore. So now they're saying kids need
to get out and play in the mud, stick your
hands in your in your mouth.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Oh goodness, I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the
movie Raising Arizona. Now, there are very few people will
get this. It's a reference. But when the main characters
in jail, and his cell mate starts talking about, you know,
they when they were so poor, and he goes down
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the list, you know, and we are so poor we
didn't have when we didn't have earth from arms we
eat or something like that. I just I just well, yes,
I tell you, Well, okay, so we're the coconut cream
you're Rita has a great recipe. I'm gonna have to
check that out.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's really simple. Now I'm not gonna make the crust, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna stop at the grocery store and
I'm going to get the h But the rest of
this stuff, I mean, of course it's Rena's recipes are easy.
They're quick. Slap this thing together in fifteen minutes, put
it in a refrigerator, and by the time we were
at the halftime for the big game at noon, I'll
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be having myself some coconut cream pilo with my beer.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Well now now I'm just visualizing that. So you know,
a big coconut cream pie is sitting there, well just
kind of you know, you're just holding it in front
of you with a with a with a cool one
in the other hand. Who's going to feed you the
pie though, I'll figure I figure that out.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What's good about this one is she puts a lot
of coconut in with the coconut cream as well as
on top of the pie.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Well, I'll tell you that. The only downside for me
was I'm the only one in the family that likes coconut.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm the only one in our family likes coconuts. No
downside to that, Joe, Well, it's outside, is that?
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Well? I realized that, you know, when we stop in
a pie shop, we can have one all to ourselves.
But you know, very seldom could I ever get, you know,
a coconut cream pie, because.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Unless I buy one, you know, no.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Well that's actually actually now I think, well, no ghost
some of these really great pie places. Yeah, oh yeah,
that's right now I think about it. I never well, yeah,
there is oh yes, silent. He said that everything just
got quiet. You know, people just stopped the listeners. They
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were all into it. They were went, oh yeah yeah.
I was like, oh, now that that needed to be
a screeching halt. You need to get the sound effects
of a car just screeching though, because then.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
With what I had I heard from Jerry Rose, our
giant pumpkin growers up in Huntsburg.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Uh oh, yeah, yeah, you know he's.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Told me about he list kind of in a valley
up there, how much difference their weather can be compared
to the rest of the state of Ohio. He sent me.
He sent me a picture of his, uh, of his
thermometer this morning. Course he's growing those giant pumpkins, so
he has to attact them. He grows him in a
high tunnel forty three degrees this morning in Huntsburg, Pa.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Is a he's up in that frost area.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he gets he gets snow early, he gets all
that stuff. You'll have snow in two weeks.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That's uh, it's so strange when you think about, uh,
you know these you know, weird weather. You're out west, right,
I mean, the mountains and you have so many you know,
the altitudes, and with Ohio you don't think of that.
With Ohio, you we tend not to think about, you know, valleys,
we tend not to think that elevational differences, and but
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they do occur, and they you know, theycur throughout the
Appalachian Range and it's just to me. I always found
that fast thing, you know, there are places in West
Virginia where same thing, it could be five miles away
and and they're having a killing frost, you.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Know, so what you know, and you've got your coconut sunscreen.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
On, and I got my coconut cream pie. You know,
I never did.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I could never. I could never use coconut screen, coconut
smelling sunscreen, because I'd put it in a spoon. Yeah,
I'd want to, you know.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Yeah. Well I never did think of something though that.
I'm sure some listeners are thinking, well, okay, they weren't
thirty five dollars when we were. When we were a
little bit a bit young, we had younger families, and
we should have probably just considered the upside that if
we got a whole pie, we had it all to ourselves.
I never even thought of that, rong. I don't think
(28:27):
I ever did that. Yeah, I never, that's right, Yeah, yeah, uh,
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Hey Joe, are you any bugs and diseases or anything?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Well, it is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Here was my summary. I do a little wrap up
for everybody at work so they have to what we're
seeing and hearing. Here are my Here are my summaries
for this week of the bugs and diseases that you'll
probably be asked about. Crab apples dropping leaves like crazy
and look horrible. What's the you know, what's the disease
that's wiping out crab apples, which, of course they're not.
(29:02):
But anyway, magnolias with black stoody stems and leaves and
puffy things on the branches, and flies and bees and wasps,
maple trees losing their color, branch die back bag on evergreens,
needles gone in those area. And what are these red
and black bugs on my milkweed?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
You know that is that just about covers at all?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's one that didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Oh yeah, boy, that has taken us dominant question. Yeah,
so box tree moth has been uh, it's been really
interesting in terms of this is I guess I'm just
gonna say it bluntly. This is absolutely the worst time
to discover them because they're basically getting they're so close
(29:54):
to the end of the season. As a matter of fact,
we don't quite understand some of the season history that
we're seeing because we tend to think of insects in
the summer, you know, running out as long as they can,
you know, before a frost. In other words, we still
have a lot of warm weather left left.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
You mentioned tomatoes for example, Well, I've had, I mean,
I've had some fantastic tomatoes this year, mainly because you
and I. You may not you may remember this early
in the season, and now you're going to throw the
test at me. I'm going to fail it because I
need to go out and get the tags. But I
(30:35):
have three to only have three tomato plants. That's all
the rum I had, and they are some of the
best tomatoes based on doing a little research, talking with
you and uh and and and then trying some new varieties.
They've just done very well this year also, and the
main high point was if you recall, you know, they
(30:56):
also attracted you know, the hornworms, so I can take
pictures of them and report about them. That's I mean
to me, My wife doesn't appreciate it, but to me,
that's a high point. Although she got to see the
cocoons coming out of these things, the cocoons of the
very saploid wasp. Well more, I mean, it was a
wonderful tomato season.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
The tomatoes bonus.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
They were, Yeah, they were kind of a side side show.
That's a bits to be perfectly honest. But it's been
it's been such an interesting season this year, and now
that we're starting to come to close, people think, well,
after Labor Day, it's like not going to the pool.
You know, nothing's going to happen. That box tree moth
is strange. It is a pretended We have to always
(31:44):
remit the non natives, so it didn't evolve, you know,
in this part of the world. And and we're just
at the end of it doing its damage. But of
course this is the time of year when we've gone
through the highest populations, so people start seeing the damage.
I want to stress this and I want us to
come back to it after the break. I think in
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You're on time, ladies and gentlemen. As Joe's hide, Let's
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Speaker 1 (34:04):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Hello Joe, Hello,
let's you go Joe?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Mystery is where did Joe go.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I put another quarter in the phone.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It's thirty five not a quarter? Is it fifty cents?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah? You do recognize that. We just there's a certain
demographic that has no idea what we're talking about, right, yeah, right,
In fact, probably the vast majority. I just at any rate.
So back to box tree moth. First of all, if
a person has big box woods and they're getting hit
(34:46):
very hard, and this is the first you've seen a
box tree moth, a handy thing to do is just
simply wait until you know they shut down, wait till
they go dormant, because you don't want to stimulate new growth.
It's just you know, in the fall before you have
freeze and cross right and just cut him back. That's
something that that that I'm very surprised. You know, even
(35:09):
some very good landscapers out there aren't taking advantage of
rejuvenation pruning, right ron. I mean you and I know this,
that box woods forever. You could do that. So if
you cut them back the damage, but not now wait
until everything shuts down. How you can do it anytime
(35:31):
early spring and and I've been watching this happen and
it is amazing. You know, I did it when I
was a landscape manager and it always was amazing. Box
woods really respond well to that and you get a
very nice, tight growth. So that's if you have the damage.
Spray now may not catch the caterpillars because like I said, uh,
(35:55):
this intact does some strange things. You know, we see
it shutting down early in some locals. H So there
may not be more caterpillars. On the other hand, you know,
just a population up in Dayton hasn't shut down. So
again a little you know what we call asynchrony, meaning
they're not synchronized.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
We are still we are still getting samples at the
outlet caterpillars. Yeah, with caterpillars, so you know.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
But but the issue is you could have caterpillars, the
early in star caterpillar, the very young caterpillars. We're already
starting to see the structures called hybernaculum, and you really are.
They're very hard to find. I mean, if you know
what you're looking for, you find them pretty easy. It's
a little it's it's just a little silk house. That's
where the caterpillars weave together some of the leaves and
(36:47):
and and that's where they overwinter. Little tiny caterpillars and
that's the overwintering stage. So once they enter that stage,
in secticides won't touch them. So you could kill the
caterpillars that are evident, that are out there, and okay,
you're going to do something, but you won't kill the
ones that are in the hibernacula. My main point is
(37:08):
just make certain that end the spring as soon as
things warm up. And you and I talked about this
this past spring. Remember we were getting all this for
a while there. We were getting a lot of emails
and phone calls about a lot of damage happening quickly.
That's because those overwintering caterpillars are I mean, they're starved,
so they come out and they start feeding ferociously. And
(37:30):
if you can suppress those caterpillars, it goes a long
way towards protecting those box woods the rest of this season.
It's been amazing this year. You know, one application may
or may not do it. That's my point. You still
need the monitor, and we're talking landscapes, not nurseries. You
(37:50):
still need the monitor, but it's it's extremely important to
discover them early. That's that's the message. The third message though,
and this is very exciting and again these are some
of the things we have brought up before, but we
now have very good data developing thanks to doctor Teresa Colley.
You and I have both known Teresa. She did a
(38:11):
lot of groundbreaking work on helping us to learn about
calorie pairs, you know, and why we started seeing so
many of them escape. Well, she has a background and
she in genetic studies in terms of being able to
take plant material and do genetic typing so that we
can tell one boxwood from the other run And what's
(38:34):
exciting is that she got a grant from the Horticulture
Research Institute. And I know you guys, the industry strongly
supports that research arm and so HRII she got a
grant from them to do this. She went around and
got and took samples from boxwoods that were showing resistance
(38:57):
to box stream off and then also very important certainly
those that weren't. Now the National Arboretum in Washington, d C.
Has a big boxwood collection. Well, they genetically typed those
boxwoods and so this season Teresa, along with a few
other folks, selected boxwoods based on her genetic studies that
(39:22):
would be that they predicted would be resistant and those
that would be susceptible again based on the genetics and ron.
It is amazing. I just visited the site Wednesday and
they are boxwoods sitting there that are just totally hammered.
I mean there's sticks right next to boxwoods that are
(39:42):
just totally green. Now when I say totally green, keep
something in mind. Those boxes probably have you know, some
fairly substantial amount of Asian genetics, because that's where this
insect came from. But also we know that, you know,
box woods are native to Asia, they're native to Europe.
(40:03):
They're not native to the United States, so it would
be you know, we anticipated that well, you know in Asia,
in China, for example, box tree moth isn't a problem
because they co evolved and the plants have defenses. And
that's what we're seeing. Except some of these boxwoods that
(40:25):
are resistant don't have I mean, they look like European boxwoods.
And this is very, very exciting because if we did
this the old fashioned way, where we had put out
we'd just say, all right, let's you know, let's just
plan out a bunch of boxwoods and see what happens
and then make our selections and then do it again
(40:46):
and then start making crosses. As you know ron and
that plant selection and propagation can take years. So the
take home is the genetic studies are taking years off
off of developing resistant box woods. But even now though
just based on observations, we you know, I believe you
(41:10):
guys have box woods that are resistant. I mean, we
already know there are some boxwoods that are resistant. It's
just that Okay, now we can breed more towards the
direction of boxwoods that are resistant. And that's the real
take home message. Don't give up on this really important
landscape plant. Because the one thing about box woods when
(41:34):
people say, well I'm just going to replace them, what
I always say or ask, Okay, that's fantastic. Replace them
if you want to. In terms of diversity, that's good,
except which plants are going to use that are deer resistant.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yep, right or growing yeah yeah yeah, or take the
condition that that box wood's growing in exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
So the final thing is go box go bucks.
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to four o'clock.
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Yes, yes, oh it I oh.
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Our total free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two fifty five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy. It's believe it or not, the end
of August, first of September coming up here in a
couple of days. That's the meteorological start of the fall season.
I am excited. This time last year we were experiencing
(00:58):
ninety degree days, hot, dry, unbelievably unbearable, been with us
and pounding us, and it was horrible. And this past
week absolutely gorgeous. Last week, absolutely half of the last
week absolutely gorgeous. Looking it next week absolutely gorgeous, very exciting.
(01:18):
People at the garden centers out early, ready to go,
buy in trees, buy in shrubs, getting those evergreens planted outstanding.
And fall, of course being such a great time for planting.
More roots are developed in the fall than any other
time the rest of the year, and of course fall
gives us the longest planting season September, October, November and
(01:41):
many times into December as well, so keep that in mind.
But so many great benefits for planting in the fall.
The weather's great, little dry. We can use some rainfall
and hopefully it'll come through here mid next week, but
other than that, looking really good. If you're looking to
switch out those planters, starting to look some of the
annuals are looking little bit weak, thinned out a little bit,
(02:02):
you're gonna look to pull those out, maybe switch over
to fall the fall colors, moms, cabbage and kale, the
ornamental cabbages and kales, the pansies, the straw flowers. You know,
they're still gonna find out. There some cold, hardy annuals
that are that will tolerate. Some pretty good frosts are
(02:23):
available for you as well. But all of these are
really nice to add to your planters for that fall
season to carry you through October and into early November.
One of which the category has been around forever, well
not forever, but for a long time, that I want
to mention to you that I just think are like
the Rodney danger fields of fall planting, and that's ornamental
(02:48):
cabbage and kale. We used to call them flowering ornamental
cabbage and kale because if they make it through the winter,
which sometimes they do if it's a very mild winter,
they actually flower in the springtime. It's you're just a
white flower, and like cabbager kale pollinators love it, but
used for fall planting. They love the cooler temperatures, and
the cooler it gets, the more colorful the leaves get.
(03:12):
And these are now available in these deeply serrated leaves
and really cool cabbage heads and kale heads and the folies.
It upright and out and you know, pretty much green
right now. But if you look at the base of
the leaves and the centers of the cabbages, they're starting
to turn their colors of pinks and lavenders and reds
(03:33):
and whites. It's phenomenal. Even the big red mustard green,
which is a wonderful tasting mustard green, tastes like horse reddish,
really nice bite to it, little dinner in a show.
As it continues to get cooler in the fall season,
it gets redder and redder and redder, and it's just
a tremendous show. Plus you can harvest it and eat it.
(03:55):
I like just picking it fresh and eat it, nice
little bite to it. Ornamental cabbages and kales I think
have been kind of the Rodney Dangel Rodney dangerfields of
fall planted color. You know, we got pangies out there,
we got the moms obviously, the asters, you know, all
of that out there. I get it. It's been around
for a long time and they give us great color.
(04:17):
But the thing about it is, there's a point where
all those stop. Montac daisies included where the point they stop.
But when it comes to ornamental cabbage and kale, they
just keep on ticking. So the heavy cold weather, the
freezers will take the other things out, the ornamental cabbages
of kale just keep right on going. And by the
time you get to Christmas a holiday season, these things
(04:40):
are in peak colors and again pinks and reds and
lavenders and whites, and it's just phenomenal. As a matter
of fact, I don't remember if we had to post
it on a website or not last year, but as
we got into the winter a couple of hours that
got some pretty good height to them, kind of a
pinky lavender really got snowed on, which helps to protect them.
(05:04):
And as the snow started to melt down, what was
sticking up out of the snow, which is really fluorescent
pinky lavender color. That was the coolest thing ever white
snow with these leaves sticking out. And it continued on
and they did flour for me this spring, so they
lasted through the winter season. So when you're doing these plantings,
(05:26):
maybe around the front door, in the containers for sure,
whatever it may be. Try the ornamental cabbages and kales,
if you've never tried them before. They'll continue to grow.
If you get small ones, they'll get bigger for you
over the fall. But the colors just get brighter and
brighter the colder it gets, and they last right up
until the holiday season with no problem whatsoever. They will
(05:48):
give you more extended bright colors than mums or pansies,
or asters or montac daisies and all the cold harty
annuals can give you. And it just gets better as
it goes on, all right, So keep those in mind
as you're out there looking to redo your fall plantings.
Ornamental cabbagescales, and the big red or giant red is
(06:08):
called sometimes mustard green. Same way. It's absolutely gorgeous and
it's edible. So you got dinner and a show to
glenn Dale, we go, Dave, good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yes, sir, hey called you up last week and he
turned me on to turf type taul fescue blend. Yes,
I haven't got it yet, But I have some follow
up questions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I am manually digging up my yard with a shovel
and pulling all the rat grass out and the weeds
and the broad leaf clover. I have the worst front
lawn on the street, and I'm gonna I'm digging it up,
going down five or six inches and pulling all the
(06:53):
roots out. And I guess the question I have once
I get this all out. My front yard is probably
about thirty square or three thousand square feet. If I
can get fifteen square done this year, I'll be a
happy camper. But the question I have once I turn
(07:14):
all this dirt over, should I put some like organic
matter on top of it or composts before I put
the seed down?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I would As a matter of fact, you know, I'm
listening to what you're doing, and I get it because
you're frustrated and you're digging all those out. Two things though,
that could be a con to what you're doing there.
One is when you're digging like that, you're turning up
other weed seeds, and you could be turning up seeds
that have been down in the ground just waiting for
the sunlight. Now they're not going to germinate this fall
(07:45):
more than likely, but waiting to come up for you
in the springtime. So tilling like that or digging like
that sometimes can turn up other weed seeds, so be
cautious about that too. You know, unless you're opposed to
using a vegetation killer, if you use something like kills
all from fertilom and kill everything, spray it, kill everything out,
(08:06):
just kill it out you can, you know, and it
takes out root and all. You spray it, you kill it.
You come back with the lawnmower and you mow it
as low as you can. Then you come back and
if you want to do a little core areating or
top dressing or whatever, you can do that and then
just slice seed right through all of that. It's a
piece of cake. Uh, and it you know, it's it's
(08:28):
it's it's it's easy to me, the easiest way to go.
If you want to dig all that stuff out, that's
that's up to you. That's that's your choice. But you
can go through and and just kill everything with you know,
the glypha saide, get rid of it, give it about
ten days to two weeks, make sure it's all dead,
mow it low, leave it there. Just leave all that
stuff there and rint a slice seedar or a slit seedar,
(08:51):
and seed right through that stuff and it acts as
a mulch for you. You get that seed in there,
you get the fertilizer in there, you get to sprinkler
set up, and you're good to go. And next thing
you know, that stuff's up and growing, and by you know,
mid November, it's gonna be looking pretty darn good. And
it may save you time and give you the opportunity
to do all three thousand square feet rather than just
(09:12):
the fifteen hundred. But it's an option something to consider.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, And I guess I should plant some straw or thrill. No, no,
throw some straw over.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
No, don't use straw if you can get by without
using strall. And that's one thing good about seeding in
September and early October is that as long as you
can keep even moistury in that soil, don't use straw.
Because if you use straw, now you got to deal
with the straw and eventually rake that off and mow
that back in, and you also deal with whatever weed
(09:52):
and wheat seeds happen to be in the straw. And
if anything pops up like the wheat, and it will.
You can't do any about it because you got new
grass coming up, so you either hand pull that or
just wait until the cold weather takes it out, so
you know, there's nothing you can do about it. So
there are grass seed accelerators that are like they're just
(10:15):
little pellets that you can throw out there, throw the
water on it. It swells up and goes over top
and covers up your seed for you. No weed, seeds,
no nothing. It's a little more expensive, but it does work.
So Dave, if you can get by without doing the straw,
do not put the straw out.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I won't put that down. And one other thing, this
organic matter or compost, how don want to put down?
What's that coming? Like fifty pounds bags.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Or what you can buy it in fifty pound bags,
you know, if you've got a lot to do, Yeah,
you can get like I'll tell you one for instance,
called the cow. It's combination combineur and compost. It's great
and it's really fine and it's really easy to spread out.
You can do it by hand and spread it out
over the top. You can also buy composts from sometimes
the top soil supplier multi suppliers as would have a
(11:02):
nice fine compost for you as well that you could
you have them dump just a one yard or whatever
and then hands spread it over the area. So yeah,
both ways. But yes, you can get compost in a
fifty sixty pound bag in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
A big big box store.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Maybe they may have it garden centers. The cow which
is actually that's what it's called. You probably find that
more at the independent garden centers.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, keep.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Me updated in the house doing okay, uh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Doing for right. I'm gonna retire and I ain't got
nothing better to do but dig up my yard.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well there you go, then have mad it and enjoy
digging it up.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I would be spraying it. That's and I'm sem I
retired too, but I would I would be spraying it.
All right, quick break, we come back time for some
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(15:06):
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He is the most listened to Home IMPROVEMN show hosts
in the entire world, Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only,
Mister Gary Sullomon.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Mister Wilson, Mister tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Uh, you know, tomato tomatoes this year were good and bad.
Really we had a lot. I had a lot of
folks that said, like to Ray and Tammy here, and
I think they toward the Cleveland area where you're really big,
but they they just had a great year. But then
you have other folks that said, I just wound up
tearing them all out. They just didn't do anything, and
so it kind of happens.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, I guess what I mean. I started. I've just
heard a lot of people raving about their tomato crop,
and then I was reading about the corn crop and
it's like, well, I guess, you know, had enough heat,
humidity and rain, something had to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Huh the corn crop being good or bad? Good? Oh?
I know. There were some areas dealing with the tight tassel.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I hate that when that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And again it was a varied Well you know what's interesting.
Tight tassel keeps the tassels real tight. They can't pollinate
the you know see, and so you have poor pollination
down below.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well see the corn knife had this year, the fresh
corn farmers market corn. I didn't think they were as
big as in pasture smaller ears. Yeah, is that from
tight No, you just wouldn't have it. That's a whole
another problem.
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Uh Okay, Hey, I you know when you take out
take like down an old door screen or you know,
storm door, you want to put a new one in
the same place, and.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All that is the old golf tea thing with the
glue still the best way to fill those holes.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Up toothpicks and you know, little wood glue and those in.
You can do that. There's also a little device I personally,
if you're really looking for something easy, and we both are,
I take about a toothpick, break it down in about
two or three paces pieces, put a little wood glue
(17:16):
in that hole, stuff those toothpicks in there, and then run.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
The screw and after it drives, because the chances are
you going to mount it in the same hole.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's easy, peasy, okay. And they
also have these little thicker than aluminum foil almost like aluminum,
with little teeth on it that you just fold it
in half so it's like a v and insert that
in the hole. That works pretty good too. There's all
kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Then you just screw right into the middle of right
into that. Yeah, all right. Like capt thinking of the
golf tees.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, here's the problem. The golf teas work well, I
mean they really do. So you the golf tea is
is tapered, so you just kind of push that in,
tap it in if you want, don't tap too hard.
Take a blade from like a hack saw or something.
Just cut it off. Smooth sand it if you want
the only problem is those golf teas I think are
made of maple, so it's kind of hard wood. Yeah,
(18:10):
and then you gotta a little pilot hole there, put
little hole in there first. Yeah, but I mean, and
you're also putting some wood glue in there too, so
all kinds of ways to fill it. But a man
of your skill level you should have no problem at all.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
But liquid nail would not be the answer. Um, otherwise
you'd be drawing a hole in that too. Yeah. But
you know, I guess you could screw screw into that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you could probably run a little pilot hole. I'd
probably feel a little better with.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The pilot hole.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Always called a tap.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well that's good too.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Pilot hole No, No, I want to use it right
home improvement lengo. Oh, well, pilot.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You can use either one. According to me, you could
just say put a hole in it, just put all
on it, come.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
On, just not bigger than the screw you're going to
put in there.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, don't you a plastic would.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I'm not well. The thing of it is, I I
think I might have somebody put them put them back
on instead of me. But would I pre do that?
Or would they do that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Well, I guess they would do that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think they do. They cover we're going to install it, okay,
just telling them you already have an existing door, so
they knowed you could do that. I didn't know if
I was helping them out by putting the golf tea
in there and having it all solid and they can
just remount it how they need to remount it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah, i'd think, to be honest with you, I think
they'll just put a couple toothpicks in there and a
little bit of glue and screw it right in there
and dry, and you'll be as good as gold.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
That's my that's my thoughts. Gold, that's my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
That's it counts big time. So what do you go
to talk about today on this Labor Day weekend?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Well, if we've put off our projects, I think it's
time to get going.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do you think not today because there's college football today?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well that's true too. See there's always an excuse for you,
you know. It's but we got all kinds of things,
don't we outside? And I think i'd be outside, But
we do have football. We got some good games.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Take day off Run.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Thank you so much. I appreciate that you bet. Gary Sullomon,
Garysolimon online dot com. Be sure check it out. Coming
up next, Fuggy Joe Boggs. Here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson. How is your garden growing?
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Speaker 6 (22:38):
Hello run. Let's just skip right ahead to the big
show today.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
The Big Show do you like coconut cream pie.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I love coconut cream pie.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
My goodness, y Rita's recipe is so easy. I am
going to actually go home today before the big game
at noon and make myself a coconut cream pie.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Do you know what is the coconut cream? Banana cream?
Speaker 8 (23:07):
I just shot man, ah man, I tell you that
you were a kid, did you take vanilla wafers, put
them in a glass, pour milk on it, crush them
all up, and eat that like a paste?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I did. I didn't do that. I mean, who didn't
do this? Weird and wonderful. I mean, it's a wonder
that we survived our misadventures and eating right?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well eating what? Now they're saying kids, kids need to
get out and eat some dirt. You know, you and
I are always out there with dirt on our hands
and doing stuff. Kids where this is going? Kids, they
don't do that anymore. So now they're saying kids need
to get out and play in the mud, stick your
hands in your in your mouth.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Oh goodness, I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the
movie Raising Arizona. Now, there are very few people will
get this. It's a reference. But when the main characters
in jail, and his cell mate starts talking about, you know,
they when they were so poor, and he goes down
(24:11):
the list, you know, and we are so poor we
didn't have when we didn't have earth from arms we
eat or something like that. I just I just well, yes,
I tell you, Well, okay, so we're the coconut cream
you're Rita has a great recipe. I'm gonna have to
check that out.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's really simple. Now I'm not gonna make the crust, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna stop at the grocery store and
I'm going to get the h But the rest of
this stuff, I mean, of course it's Rena's recipes are easy.
They're quick. Slap this thing together in fifteen minutes, put
it in a refrigerator, and by the time we were
at the halftime for the big game at noon, I'll
(24:51):
be having myself some coconut cream pilo with my beer.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Well now now I'm just visualizing that. So you know,
a big coconut cream pie is sitting there, well just
kind of you know, you're just holding it in front
of you with a with a with a cool one
in the other hand. Who's going to feed you the
pie though, I'll figure I figure that out.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What's good about this one is she puts a lot
of coconut in with the coconut cream as well as
on top of the pie.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Well, I'll tell you that. The only downside for me
was I'm the only one in the family that likes coconut.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm the only one in our family likes coconuts. No
downside to that, Joe, Well, it's outside, is that?
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Well? I realized that, you know, when we stop in
a pie shop, we can have one all to ourselves.
But you know, very seldom could I ever get, you know,
a coconut cream pie, because.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Unless I buy one, you know, no.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Well that's actually actually now I think, well, no ghost
some of these really great pie places. Yeah, oh yeah,
that's right now I think about it. I never well, yeah,
there is oh yes, silent. He said that everything just
got quiet. You know, people just stopped the listeners. They
(26:18):
were all into it. They were went, oh yeah yeah.
I was like, oh, now that that needed to be
a screeching halt. You need to get the sound effects
of a car just screeching though, because then.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
With what I had I heard from Jerry Rose, our
giant pumpkin growers up in Huntsburg.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Uh oh, yeah, yeah, you know he's.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Told me about he list kind of in a valley
up there, how much difference their weather can be compared
to the rest of the state of Ohio. He sent me.
He sent me a picture of his, uh, of his
thermometer this morning. Course he's growing those giant pumpkins, so
he has to attact them. He grows him in a
high tunnel forty three degrees this morning in Huntsburg, Pa.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Is a he's up in that frost area.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he gets he gets snow early, he gets all
that stuff. You'll have snow in two weeks.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That's uh, it's so strange when you think about, uh,
you know these you know, weird weather. You're out west, right,
I mean, the mountains and you have so many you know,
the altitudes, and with Ohio you don't think of that.
With Ohio, you we tend not to think about, you know, valleys,
we tend not to think that elevational differences, and but
(27:32):
they do occur, and they you know, theycur throughout the
Appalachian Range and it's just to me. I always found
that fast thing, you know, there are places in West
Virginia where same thing, it could be five miles away
and and they're having a killing frost, you.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Know, so what you know, and you've got your coconut sunscreen.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
On, and I got my coconut cream pie. You know,
I never did.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I could never. I could never use coconut screen, coconut
smelling sunscreen, because I'd put it in a spoon. Yeah,
I'd want to, you know.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Yeah. Well I never did think of something though that.
I'm sure some listeners are thinking, well, okay, they weren't
thirty five dollars when we were. When we were a
little bit a bit young, we had younger families, and
we should have probably just considered the upside that if
we got a whole pie, we had it all to ourselves.
I never even thought of that, rong. I don't think
(28:27):
I ever did that. Yeah, I never, that's right, Yeah, yeah, uh,
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Hey Joe, are you any bugs and diseases or anything?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Well, it is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Here was my summary. I do a little wrap up
for everybody at work so they have to what we're
seeing and hearing. Here are my Here are my summaries
for this week of the bugs and diseases that you'll
probably be asked about. Crab apples dropping leaves like crazy
and look horrible. What's the you know, what's the disease
that's wiping out crab apples, which, of course they're not.
(29:02):
But anyway, magnolias with black stoody stems and leaves and
puffy things on the branches, and flies and bees and wasps,
maple trees losing their color, branch die back bag on evergreens,
needles gone in those area. And what are these red
and black bugs on my milkweed?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
You know that is that just about covers at all?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's one that didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Oh yeah, boy, that has taken us dominant question. Yeah,
so box tree moth has been uh, it's been really
interesting in terms of this is I guess I'm just
gonna say it bluntly. This is absolutely the worst time
to discover them because they're basically getting they're so close
(29:54):
to the end of the season. As a matter of fact,
we don't quite understand some of the season history that
we're seeing because we tend to think of insects in
the summer, you know, running out as long as they can,
you know, before a frost. In other words, we still
have a lot of warm weather left left.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
You mentioned tomatoes for example, Well, I've had, I mean,
I've had some fantastic tomatoes this year, mainly because you
and I. You may not you may remember this early
in the season, and now you're going to throw the
test at me. I'm going to fail it because I
need to go out and get the tags. But I
(30:35):
have three to only have three tomato plants. That's all
the rum I had, and they are some of the
best tomatoes based on doing a little research, talking with
you and uh and and and then trying some new varieties.
They've just done very well this year also, and the
main high point was if you recall, you know, they
(30:56):
also attracted you know, the hornworms, so I can take
pictures of them and report about them. That's I mean
to me, My wife doesn't appreciate it, but to me,
that's a high point. Although she got to see the
cocoons coming out of these things, the cocoons of the
very saploid wasp. Well more, I mean, it was a
wonderful tomato season.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
The tomatoes bonus.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
They were, Yeah, they were kind of a side side show.
That's a bits to be perfectly honest. But it's been
it's been such an interesting season this year, and now
that we're starting to come to close, people think, well,
after Labor Day, it's like not going to the pool.
You know, nothing's going to happen. That box tree moth
is strange. It is a pretended We have to always
(31:44):
remit the non natives, so it didn't evolve, you know,
in this part of the world. And and we're just
at the end of it doing its damage. But of
course this is the time of year when we've gone
through the highest populations, so people start seeing the damage.
I want to stress this and I want us to
come back to it after the break. I think in
(32:07):
my offer of my desk, battle on time.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You're on time, ladies and gentlemen. As Joe's hide, Let's
take a break. When we come back, we'll talk more
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Speaker 1 (34:04):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Hello Joe, Hello,
let's you go Joe?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Mystery is where did Joe go.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I put another quarter in the phone.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It's thirty five not a quarter? Is it fifty cents?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah? You do recognize that. We just there's a certain
demographic that has no idea what we're talking about, right, yeah, right,
In fact, probably the vast majority. I just at any rate.
So back to box tree moth. First of all, if
a person has big box woods and they're getting hit
(34:46):
very hard, and this is the first you've seen a
box tree moth, a handy thing to do is just
simply wait until you know they shut down, wait till
they go dormant, because you don't want to stimulate new growth.
It's just you know, in the fall before you have
freeze and cross right and just cut him back. That's
something that that that I'm very surprised. You know, even
(35:09):
some very good landscapers out there aren't taking advantage of
rejuvenation pruning, right ron. I mean you and I know this,
that box woods forever. You could do that. So if
you cut them back the damage, but not now wait
until everything shuts down. How you can do it anytime
(35:31):
early spring and and I've been watching this happen and
it is amazing. You know, I did it when I
was a landscape manager and it always was amazing. Box
woods really respond well to that and you get a
very nice, tight growth. So that's if you have the damage.
Spray now may not catch the caterpillars because like I said, uh,
(35:55):
this intact does some strange things. You know, we see
it shutting down early in some locals. H So there
may not be more caterpillars. On the other hand, you know,
just a population up in Dayton hasn't shut down. So
again a little you know what we call asynchrony, meaning
they're not synchronized.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
We are still we are still getting samples at the
outlet caterpillars. Yeah, with caterpillars, so you know.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
But but the issue is you could have caterpillars, the
early in star caterpillar, the very young caterpillars. We're already
starting to see the structures called hybernaculum, and you really are.
They're very hard to find. I mean, if you know
what you're looking for, you find them pretty easy. It's
a little it's it's just a little silk house. That's
where the caterpillars weave together some of the leaves and
(36:47):
and and that's where they overwinter. Little tiny caterpillars and
that's the overwintering stage. So once they enter that stage,
in secticides won't touch them. So you could kill the
caterpillars that are evident, that are out there, and okay,
you're going to do something, but you won't kill the
ones that are in the hibernacula. My main point is
(37:08):
just make certain that end the spring as soon as
things warm up. And you and I talked about this
this past spring. Remember we were getting all this for
a while there. We were getting a lot of emails
and phone calls about a lot of damage happening quickly.
That's because those overwintering caterpillars are I mean, they're starved,
so they come out and they start feeding ferociously. And
(37:30):
if you can suppress those caterpillars, it goes a long
way towards protecting those box woods the rest of this season.
It's been amazing this year. You know, one application may
or may not do it. That's my point. You still
need the monitor, and we're talking landscapes, not nurseries. You
(37:50):
still need the monitor, but it's it's extremely important to
discover them early. That's that's the message. The third message though,
and this is very exciting and again these are some
of the things we have brought up before, but we
now have very good data developing thanks to doctor Teresa Colley.
You and I have both known Teresa. She did a
(38:11):
lot of groundbreaking work on helping us to learn about
calorie pairs, you know, and why we started seeing so
many of them escape. Well, she has a background and
she in genetic studies in terms of being able to
take plant material and do genetic typing so that we
can tell one boxwood from the other run And what's
(38:34):
exciting is that she got a grant from the Horticulture
Research Institute. And I know you guys, the industry strongly
supports that research arm and so HRII she got a
grant from them to do this. She went around and
got and took samples from boxwoods that were showing resistance
(38:57):
to box stream off and then also very important certainly
those that weren't. Now the National Arboretum in Washington, d C.
Has a big boxwood collection. Well, they genetically typed those
boxwoods and so this season Teresa, along with a few
other folks, selected boxwoods based on her genetic studies that
(39:22):
would be that they predicted would be resistant and those
that would be susceptible again based on the genetics and ron.
It is amazing. I just visited the site Wednesday and
they are boxwoods sitting there that are just totally hammered.
I mean there's sticks right next to boxwoods that are
(39:42):
just totally green. Now when I say totally green, keep
something in mind. Those boxes probably have you know, some
fairly substantial amount of Asian genetics, because that's where this
insect came from. But also we know that, you know,
box woods are native to Asia, they're native to Europe.
(40:03):
They're not native to the United States, so it would
be you know, we anticipated that well, you know in Asia,
in China, for example, box tree moth isn't a problem
because they co evolved and the plants have defenses. And
that's what we're seeing. Except some of these boxwoods that
(40:25):
are resistant don't have I mean, they look like European boxwoods.
And this is very, very exciting because if we did
this the old fashioned way, where we had put out
we'd just say, all right, let's you know, let's just
plan out a bunch of boxwoods and see what happens
and then make our selections and then do it again
(40:46):
and then start making crosses. As you know ron and
that plant selection and propagation can take years. So the
take home is the genetic studies are taking years off
off of developing resistant box woods. But even now though
just based on observations, we you know, I believe you
(41:10):
guys have box woods that are resistant. I mean, we
already know there are some boxwoods that are resistant. It's
just that Okay, now we can breed more towards the
direction of boxwoods that are resistant. And that's the real
take home message. Don't give up on this really important
landscape plant. Because the one thing about box woods when
(41:34):
people say, well I'm just going to replace them, what
I always say or ask, Okay, that's fantastic. Replace them
if you want to. In terms of diversity, that's good,
except which plants are going to use that are deer resistant.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yep, right or growing yeah yeah yeah, or take the
condition that that box wood's growing in exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
So the final thing is go box go bucks.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I know where you're gonna be today from about twelve
to four o'clock.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Yes, yes, oh it I oh.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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